Analysing Ukraine's new drone navy in the Black Sea | Ukraine: The Latest

Analysing Ukraine's new drone navy in the Black Sea | Ukraine: The Latest | Podcast

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4 ай бұрын

Day 278. Today, we bring you the latest military and diplomatic updates from the invasion of Ukraine and we analyse the rise of Ukraine’s maritime drone forces that’s challenging the Russian fleet in the Black Sea.
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David Knowles (Host). @DJKnowles22 on Twitter.
Dominic Nicholls (Associate Editor). @DomNicholls on Twitter.
Francis Dearnley (Assistant Comment Editor). @FrancisDearnley on Twitter.
Roland Oliphant (Senior Foreign Correspondent). @RolandOliphant on Twitter.
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Thomas Asada-Grant 4 ай бұрын

Attacks at night In choppy waves would seem to me to be more difficult to spot and much more difficult to intercept. There should also be dummy drones to add deception. Additionally I would think some kind of camouflage against night optics would also be effective. If we expect an immanent play for launching a new wave of guided missile attacks tomorrow, there will probably be a great opportunity

Sherrill Whately 4 ай бұрын

Dom is so funny 😂. I love the way he expresses himself!

Master & Commander 4 ай бұрын

Worth a mention that autonomous merchant vessels including small passenger ferries are now being trialled as well as small western naval vessels .Obvious implications for not too distant large naval “drone ships” undertaking war at sea type interactions.

Paul Makinson 4 ай бұрын

Those naval drones are probably being tested. A swarm of them could overwhelm defenses just with sheer numbers. Imagine what drone submersibles would be able to do.

mean johnn 3 ай бұрын

@David they already did once, 200kg payload. I believe 2 drones were used

David 3 ай бұрын

They could destroy all the foundations of the Kerch Bridge!!!

mean johnn 4 ай бұрын

Ukraine has submersible drone/torpedo system being sent to them very soon, I believe they are sent from Sweden, but I may be incorrect on the source country

That guy 4 ай бұрын

These are initial versions of what may well be a model for such craft. A submersible or semi-submersible version would have an even lower profile and be more difficult to strike. If anti-helicopter systems were created this is potentially a new generation of stealthy strike means that spare the operator from physical presence To claim that it should be measured in terms of actual "KILLS" is nothing but semantics and word chopping! I would be embarrassed to have stated such a thing, because this IS a game changer, it has never been done like that before - but get ready to see it a lot PS: And all it takes is a cloud of fragments to chop helicopter rotors

David Elliott 4 ай бұрын

The drug cartels have shown its a small step from a shallow freeboard boat to one that runs with just a periscope and snorkel poking out.The next stage will be a boat that carries enough compressed air to run the engine long enough to dive underneath the target ship. 200kg of military explosive under the ship hull will do a huge amount of damage.

B. Rocket 4 ай бұрын

American here and absolutely love Dom's insights and humor. 🇺🇸❤️🇬🇧❤️🇺🇦 Also I wish we should arm their drones with missiles. And give them some Tomahawk Cruise missiles.

Landlubber 4 ай бұрын

Send Ukraine 1/10th of the US Navy budget and get this over with.

mick mccrohon 4 ай бұрын

they have sent US$100 Billion and still, Ukraine is a lost cause. No amount of money can save Ukraine now.

Alice Smith 3 ай бұрын

Thanks for such great content, it's certainly needed and refreshing to have. From: North Carolina, U.S.A.

Y Ukraine? 4 ай бұрын

Sea Doo had sales shops in Kyiv before the war. Probably Odessa too. They also sold snowmobiles and Can-Am motorcycles.

Frostie-Flake 4 ай бұрын

Operator Starsky’s new heavy metal band is named CRUSHING RUSSIANS! Quite effective in name and deed!

Duncan Stewart 4 ай бұрын

The winter is showing her cards in late November. Temperatures outside are at freezing 🥶. The wind chill factor being even colder. The hazard is a major storm out of Mongolia dropping temps by about 20 degrees in winters there. In 3 weeks Winter will officially be the news as the ground freezes reliably. The short distances involved and smaller numbers of units in these battles... Make the winter travel conditions less decisive for the defenders. With good internal defensive lines. Good depth along the entire line. Requiring an occupation force to remain across 800 miles. The new firepower has made a real difference in battle since August 2022. Drones prevent a battle of the bulge ⛅ ❄. Dec. '44.

David Elliott 4 ай бұрын

The new drone boats need to dive under the ship when attacking. Exploding underwater has a much bigger effect that popping off alongside.

Fay Green 4 ай бұрын

magnetic crawler system on the drone?

Serg Bro 🇺🇦 4 ай бұрын

Thanks friends for support Ukraine! ✊👍✌️♥️🇺🇦

Serg Bro 🇺🇦 3 ай бұрын

@vepraksoldat Stepan Bandera was in a German prison because he did not want to cooperate with the Germans, and was later killed by a KGB agent because he fought against the USSR. He fought for a free Ukraine, both against some invaders and against others, and for Ukrainians he is a hero and an example of patriotism! The fight against the image of Stepan Bandera continues to this day in Russia, they have at the level of ideology to destroy everything that can be heroic for the Ukrainian people! Don't fall victim to their propaganda! ✌️🇺🇦

vepraksoldat 3 ай бұрын

I support Ukraine, not the Banderovites in Charge

Rene Georges Billard Bayle 4 ай бұрын

Excelent summary. Brilliant and knowledgeable personnalities. The whole world is involved in this desastrous Putin´s egocentric & unprovoked aggression. May seriously, God help us all.

ALS 4 ай бұрын

Rene Georges Billard Bayle I have a sneaking suspicion that your imaginary friend is merely an observer at best....

Anniest Hamilton 3 ай бұрын

IT is a great pleasure to listen to the reports delivered by this female reporter. She is Soo awesome!!?

brigidinKC 4 ай бұрын

I'm listening to your excellent podcast from Missouri, USA.

Andrew Charles 3 ай бұрын

Clearly they missed the point that Ukraine 24 had been fundraising for a fleet of 100 of these USVs; and that the cost in "addition to the drone itself, which is equipped with autopilot features, video subsystems (including night vision), backup communication modules and combat functionality, this also includes the cost of a ground-based, autonomous control station, transportation and storage system, as well as a data processing center" is $250,000 each.

Urias Joseph Snr. 3 ай бұрын

Current circumstances and existing victories on the Battle Field should not be advertised by the media during the same time of operation so that pootin may know to change his stagtrgies.

Mark 4 ай бұрын

Faultless future insight into Ukrainian fighting stance during a really tough winter against the hideous creatures of the russian command. Thx Team. Brisbane, Australia. 🔱🇺🇦 🇭🇲

Polar Per 4 ай бұрын

I wonder if anyone in Ukraine is checking the spread of Tuberculosis among Russian troops. I think there is a lot of drug resistant TB among Russian prisoners, not sure how isolated Wagner troops are or there is a chance of spread.

Fay Green 4 ай бұрын

@john richards not to mention covid

David Elliott 4 ай бұрын

I heard it’s a problem throughout Russia, not just in prisons. Only exceeded by alcohol dependence.

Paul Makinson 4 ай бұрын

Yes, antibiotic resistant TB has been a problem for at least 10 years in Russian prisons.

Anthony White 4 ай бұрын

I love Dom, their resident military type.

Mary Marlow 4 ай бұрын

Me too!

Chris Livingstone 4 ай бұрын

As always great to listen to, from Brisbane

Thomas O'Brien 4 ай бұрын

The drone war between Azerbaijan and Armenia, as well as Afghanistan, were the early introductions. Ukraine is the full-blown outbreak of drone warfare.

Carmen Latorre 4 ай бұрын

God bless Ukraine

Gary Swift 4 ай бұрын

arm the "unmanned naval vessels" with missiles. Now we're talking about something interesting. Some could have a Stinger or Star Streak maybe? Others, perhaps an anti-tank missile?

James Milton 4 ай бұрын

Even if it misses the Russian choppers will have to give the drones a wide berth.

Thomas Rush 3 ай бұрын

The science of the sea drone has been slowly advancing ever since Sir Thomas Cochrane put that now famous lantern in a bucket to lure away pursuing ships.

Fidd88 3 ай бұрын

Ah, now there was a simply superb Royal Navy Captain. It is sad that he's not remembered today, as to my mind, and notwithstanding his appalling lack of tact when dealing with his superiors (albeit with some justification!). His capture of the Gamo was simply masterful, and his operations on land were every bit as good.

george otieno 4 ай бұрын

The world should come up with an idea to stop this war

Andrew Prentice 3 ай бұрын

Great idea

Lisa Intemann 4 ай бұрын

Roland's final comment about response to MH17 - so True. This madness will stop when the west gets serious about stopping it. Thanks very much, team, as always :)

Pete G 4 ай бұрын

Germany needs to step up.

Rose Cochran 4 ай бұрын

Doing away with Russian dictators doesn't seem to have any effect. There is always one to replace the former. Would Ukraine take on the task of changing the course?

S L 4 ай бұрын

Ingenuity of Ukrainians, excellent! 💙💛🇬🇧

David Jones 4 ай бұрын

Top of the range Sea-Doo is 20k. Add a starlink internet device from Elon Musk with remote control and explosive of your choice..... A more dramatic advance would be using a similar unmanned vehicle to carry a rocket or rockets and stand off from the target and launch the rockets....

mean johnn 4 ай бұрын

@peceed sea doo is capable of speeds of 100-120 kmph which is 54-65 knots, obviously with a full 200kg payload capacity which these usv are reported to possess, this speed would be reduced somewhat,

peceed 4 ай бұрын

@mean johnn Not really. They need minimize time between detection and hit. Semi-submersible drones can be very quick because they have no wave drag. Not as fast as torpedoes, but 30 knots is sufficient when target is not escaping.

mean johnn 4 ай бұрын

@peceed these usv are jet drive, not propeller, the faster they travel, the more noticeable they would be,,,,

peceed 4 ай бұрын

Rockets are very expensive compared to these drones. The most serious improvement would be an electric homebrew torpedoes. Li-ion, electric engines, gyroscopes - all of this is dirty cheap now, wire guided torpedoes can be so much more efficient. The simplest improvement is using sinking bomb as warhead - deep detonation is so much more efficient, ideally warhead should be detonated under keel. These drones should work in semi-submersible mode, only snorkel, camera and antenna (flat) should be above water, as one stealh element. This would eliminate wake and wave drug.

mean johnn 4 ай бұрын

They aren't buying sea-doo though, only the engine and jet drive are sea doo(possibly fuel tank),the hull appears to be ukrainian version of a sea kayak, I like the rocket concept 🙂 these vessels have a 200kg payload capacity, maybe switchblade 600 launchers would be a cool addition, drones carrying drones,,,, just a thought🤔

Tony Harvey 4 ай бұрын

Excellent report

Keith Spangle 4 ай бұрын

Is it possible that the Kerch bridge was damaged with sea-drones?

mean johnn 4 ай бұрын

@MrSandancer That makes total sense. There was 3 sections damaged, 2 separate explosions, simultaneously would make more sense than a truck bomb (I have never considered that to be a real explanation). I don't know anything about explosives either, but I did see a report stating that these usv could carry a 200kg payload.

MrSandancer 4 ай бұрын

There was footage of two wakes being spotted by cameras on the bridge. Not a military man so don’t know how much explosives would have been needed.

mean johnn 4 ай бұрын

Most of these usv are equipped with starlink antenna near the stern section, but not all, one image shows a different dual antenna setup, also video from russian port 700 km from odesa seems to indicate they are launched from another vessel, also very cool fp video of helicopter attempting intercept seems to indicate real time piloting to avoid incoming fire, jet ski can travel @ 100-120kmph with a 200kg payload I would expect this usv not planing to be considerably slower than that,

Chuck Amadi 4 ай бұрын

Don't care what it was. JUST do it again.

Robert Williams 4 ай бұрын

justme hello 4 ай бұрын

frozen orc bunny season, hope they hit adolph putins electrical grid also.

Hayzee_720 3 ай бұрын

"We are going to go up the the dombass" 😂😂😂😂

Nic Bayley 4 ай бұрын

Roland’s final thought is pretty compelling - what was politically lacking at the time?

Cushite Revenge 4 ай бұрын

Alot of wishful thinking here, lets suppose that Ukraine managed to effectively decapitate the Russian Black Sea Fleet, this still would not prevent Russia from hitting Ukraine with multiple ground artillery and drone attacks

Ricky Wright 4 ай бұрын

@Cushite Revenge they've already taken half of it back. Crimea soon. Weep Ivan, weep.

mean johnn 4 ай бұрын

Ukraine has better artillery systems than russia, and are better trained to use them, himars have destroyed russian supply chains, logistics, and countless equipment and personnel, if all that remains from russia is artillery and orlan type tech they should start packing, I personally can't wait to see new years eve fireworks in Crimea this year, should be very exciting 🤭🤭🤭

Cushite Revenge 4 ай бұрын

@Eddie L The Ukrainian Army may be stronger than it was a year ago, however Ukrainian Armed Forces are not strong enough to take back the 15-20 % of Ukrainian territory that Russia has occupied for the last 9 months, also the Ukrainian Armed Forces have not been able to prevent Russia from destroying 40-50 % of Ukraines energy infrastructure, in addition Ukrainian Armed Forces have been unable to prevent the constant shelling of Kherson City which was recently abandoned by the Russian Armed Forces. Also the situation in the " liberated " Kherson City is so bad that Ukraine is evacuating civilians from that city due to nonstop Russian shelling of the city

TreeManzOneSkullYaJan 4 ай бұрын

Or those 1500 large calibre round's per second sentry guns

Gary Jamerson 3 ай бұрын

Under water mini- midget torpedos , very Small mini- Midget subs that has the capability to come out of the water and dive back into the water to attach its target and directed by Star- Link. GaryJ

Dan Ditto 4 ай бұрын

The fact the drones can force the Russians to concentrate their Naval Forces and put thousands of hours on their helicopters in defensive flying instead of fulfilling their intended missions is a victory itself. For centuries we thought in land warfare we needed a kill shot, but a disabling shot might actually tie up mor resources, ships and dockyards than a kill shot, especially now that the Russians have limited facilities for repairs and resources are blocked from entering the Sea by Turkey.

Matthew 2 ай бұрын

Thanks man!

Fernanda Pereira Gaetani 4 ай бұрын

🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦no negociations untl russia go away from ukraine!!!!

James Milton 4 ай бұрын

The choppers will get in closer next time and i will be interested if the Ukrainians start trying to attach man portable SAMS

jim heath 4 ай бұрын

Too many Chamberlin's not enough Churchill's

Mark 4 ай бұрын

Dom, can the Ukraine really win this fight? Thx. Mark Australia. 😎

Toby 4 ай бұрын

Russia occupied the most Ukrainian territory around six months ago. They've lost an enormous amount of equipment and likely around 100k dead or injured troops for the effort. I would define that as winning.

David 3 ай бұрын

The Ukrainians are working hard to develop the longer versions of their successful rocket

Nigel Fox 4 ай бұрын

Those drone boats are five meters long not exactly a small item.

Dmitrijs Iljucenoks 4 ай бұрын

Had a good laugh this is very funny indeed 😄

Jared Schultz 4 ай бұрын

Dominic Nichols needs to be a little more Forward thinking

Ni An 🇺🇦 4 ай бұрын

I agree with the last point. If the EU had acted when Orcland murdered EU citizens in MH17, maybe we wouldn't be having another continent-wide war now. Because Orcland's current aggression is affecting the whole European continent. There will probably be more localised wars in Europe to come, since the collective democratic countries are showing that they won't fight back. Ukraine are the only ones fighting. Expect Serbia and/or Turkey to start attacking their neighbours next, since they see that there are few negative consequences of doing so.

Zen StandFastForTruth 4 ай бұрын

I envisage the most important develpment in radio-controlled explosive boats will be the ability to go to a specific position, where it submerges, and is brought to life as and when a suitable target is nearby. This would mean they would be almost undetectable, and if brought to life VERY close to the target, the response time would be greatly reduced.

Brigitte 4 ай бұрын

Slava Ukraine 🇺🇦 🇩🇪

Nenita Espinosa 4 ай бұрын

Not only Ukraine and Russia is suffering. The world is affected. God bless the peace loving people and the world

Robin Smith 4 ай бұрын

It's like having rotten teeth pulled. It hurts for a while but it's worth the pain.

george mira 4 ай бұрын

For ground or water to freeze sufficiently substantially, it REQUIRES that temps tend to be CONSISTENTLY below 20F, -5C. For such heavy vehicles what farmers call a "hard" freeze, -15C. The speakers here are English, and it may be that they have never experienced sufficient freeze temps to allow vehicle over soil to move. Of course, following only a SINGLE hard freeze, vastly increased joules of energy to UNfreeze will keep the ground hard, cold, stable. And Dr. Jack Watling & Nick Reynolds' RUSI assessments should be everyone's go-to to understand Ukraine war events. NOT such blurb as twitter, now controlled by a "useful [Russian] idiot", libertarian Musk, who, as is USUAL with engineers (I have known Caltech engineers with Elephantine Hubris spouting complete Scrambled Inanity when stepping outside of their computational analytic envelopes to approach even computational issue) believes his own phantasmagorical constructs. (he caused some significant disruption in Ukraine when deciding he was plenipotentiary peace diplomat, AND when responding to criticism with nauseating narcissism, including his recent price-gouging for Starlink). Do not ingest twitter - it rots the brain. Sasha 3%, Lukashenka's epithet or "call-sign" among Belarusians, despite all his astonishing agility, visibly became powerless, as Russia dropped in mobiks and conscripts, first to be trained, now to stay, along with the removal of Belarus ammunition and armor. The poisoning of his FM is both a signal, and preparation for Kremlin strategy. The courageous, if existential, Polish weaponry emplacement, rhetoric, support, and some mobilization, was excellent response to the obvious Kremlin Monkeypoxing advance toward former Soviet slug trails, and your daughters. Normally experiencing Russian-poisoned "information management" parroted by MOST major media, from NYT to Reuters, to the truly biased India and China news sources, I find this Telegraph podcast to be surprisingly insightful.

Eddie Jr 3 ай бұрын

The Kayaktar!

Danny Ryan 4 ай бұрын

Ger. Bundestag is pronounced with S not SH… it’s two words Bundes+Tag… not **Bunde+Stag…

Kevin George 3 ай бұрын

With all this crisis happening around the world one needs to have different portfolio,I already invested in forex and crypto which are really profitable.

Niklas Wikholm 4 ай бұрын

Ukrainian suplies cutting= russian withdrawls

barbara seymour 4 ай бұрын

Well, democracy is showing very fragile now in the US. Sooo right re MH 17. Let’s give more to Ua now!!

Kevin Stevens 4 ай бұрын

Everyone, war is expensive. Some people make money even during the worst of times. I get sick of hearing how "expensive it will be to X" (x = ways to help Ukraine finish the war quickly). I will be more expensive prolonging it.

Paul Williams 4 ай бұрын

$12 to $20,000 will buy the best of the jet skis in the world, surely a few hundred kilos of TNT and some electronics would no double the price, get 5 or 6 for $250,000.