Analyzing Bioshock - 17 Years Later

[@Jarekthegamingdragon]

I had a really fun time playing this game on twitch. If you want to hang out, come give a follow over there! Bioshock 2 soon! www.twitch.tv/jarek4gamingdragon

[@JackWse]

I genuinely never understood the mouse acceleration thing.. Windows has mouse acceleration built into it.. if you want to use mouse acceleration, you can turn it on and you probably already do if you like that thing.. I remember I used to use it.. But I had a very very specific setting for it to be useful lol. I can only imagine how miserable that must be with the Windows fighting the game's mouse acceleration.. But I do remember.. not in specifics I just remember it being awful. It's like, it's just a setting in the unreal engine configuration files.. and I just I just don't understand why even to this day why this is a default? And it's not like irrational didn't have PC experience... They almost had exclusively PC experience, in fact that was one of my disappointments.. going from system shock 2, and SWAT 4.. to BioShock was such a backwards step in immersion and presentation.. this was like invisible war basically but released at a time and for an audience that didn't know any better, which good for them.. But.. you know.. It is it is so absolutely confusing now, like did you.. did you play test this at all? I can't remember if the games for Windows BS that ruined every peripheral that used to be a thing on Windows XP.. I can't remember if that had already ruined the landscape of gaming, but given this was a 360 game initially for development that wouldn't surprise me.. I just don't know many PC gamers that had an Xbox 360 controller back then, you had to get a specific controller as well for the PC not just an Xbox 360 one and plugged it in... I only found this out the hard way that this was the new future when the flight mission in crisis didn't recognize my joystick, and then I realized oh yeah this is awkward... Looking at the unbindable Xbox 360 logo for the controller binds in the menu.. then GTA 4, I remember being kind of excited when the helicopter mission showed up.. and I remembered San Andreas letting you not only mine pretty much every peripheral in existence, but you could have triple binds in the PC port.. well nope lol same stupid picture of an Xbox 360 with unbindable controls.. My joystick pluged in, it read all the inputs lol.. Just you know didn't work anymore in a modern game, which is somewhat of an ironic term given how many steps backwards we had already gone in that regard. It's just it's such a simple stupid thing, and with BioShock it it was unreal 2 engine.. like this was not an unknown quantity on the PC.. and it had been an engine that irrational had worked with on SWAT 4.. so it's not like they didn't know.. it's like what did you expect everyone to go buy a 360 controller to play a crappier controlled version of your game which already controlled crappily because it was designed around the 360 controllers limitations? I don't remember that part in the manual.. I got nothing against mouse acceleration if you like it, like I said I used to use it... It made sense I had a very small mouse pad and space for it.. I got it so that I could control it and predict it and I got pretty good at doing that and that's the way I like doing things it made sense to me it was pretty low for what it's worth with the resolutions back then.. But.. funny enough... There's a switch for mouse acceleration in the engine configuration.. there's no switch for the sensitivity threshold for it... So I'm assuming you're just using the 360 thumbsticks switch settings.. That's a very small threshold I assume to compare to a mouse pad of even a small 3M original normal back then size lol.. I'm never gotten an answer on any of this stuff and any of these interviews that I've gone through... And maybe some brush-offs and some generalizings and whatnot but.. it's like.. how did you forget the PC controls and how it controls overnight...? When you spent your entire career working with it up until then...?

[@matteodelapaz1698]

Fun fact: the mission where atlas doesn’t say would you kindly has no arrow being displayed meaning you can do whatever you want in the mission. Small details like these make it one of the best games I have ever played.

[@pigeondude2468]

Cool I thought I'm the only one that knows that little detail.

[@andreiv1916]

Now would you kindly do the 2nd Bioshock review?

[@ItzNatey1-80]

Bioshock is one of those games every gamer needs to play at least once just for the story and art style

[@ThommyofThenn]

Agreed. I played Infinite first and then the first two a few years ago. I liked the first and really liked the story of the 2nd one.

[@Argacyan]

Kinda, but also there's too many people who did play it & for whom the social critique that fundamentally informs and creates the story just ricochets off of the smoothness of their head.

[@hieunguyenrileygekko]

ah 2007, back when original IPs were still the things Bioshock, Portal, Crysis, Mass Effect, STALKER, Uncharted, Assassin's Creed,... nowadays, its either sequel/remake/reboot or license

[@AlexOlinkiewicz]

When I was young I tend to see gaming as a bit of something to help kill time if I got nothing else to do, but then that all change when I got an Xbox 360 and the first game I tried on it was BioShock. BioShock so far is my favorite game of all-time and its because it had such an impact on me. It showed me what games are capable of doing and has lead me into game development.

[@longlivethesheet4561]

My interpretation of Andrew Ryan forcing Jack to beat him to death is that it’s actually a form of suicide; Ryan breaks Jack down by revealing the truth of his upbringing to reduce his status from “man” (i.e. someone with free will) to “slave,” or in other words, a tool. Therefore, Jack isn’t killing Ryan on Fontaine’s order, Andrew Ryan is killing himself with Jack as his own executioner because his ego would never allow anyone BUT himself to take his own life.

[@ModernWelfare_]

OBEY!

[@tcwtfln_yt]

Just recently finished it like a month ago, I agree with people that it's a masterpiece

[@EZ-Flix]

Ohhhhh you’re the guy who’s always on my community polls

[@elelz6409]

Bioshock was one of those games that i saw and couldnt believe that it could exist. Dark, brooding yet elegant and magic.

[@explosivestar1156]

I really hope another bioshock comes out.

[@deepakrao5553]

I remember while playing bioshock i was stuck on a boss fight and i just hacked the health stations in the area and the boss just started using the health stations and ended up depleting his own health. Things like these end up giving huge choices to the player which is really helpful

[@roninblitz2159]

Recently got the platinum trophy for each of the remarsters and wow. Its hard to talk about them without spending so long doing so. They are some of the best games i have ever played, their stories are absolutely amazing.

[@vitoscaleta439]

It’s always nice to go back to old games for nostalgia 👍🏼

[@TheInfamousCloaker]

The combat in BioShock has aged weirdly as the most effective way to play the game is actually just using the wrench and crossbow as they are the only two weapons that scale insanely well while every other gun falls off so easily (Even more so if you skip research which a lot of people do) and also majority of plasmids are quite meh as well sadly. Like overall the best is electro bolt, insect swarm, and target dummy. As they all interact with the tonics that gives the insane damage output of the wrench (Up to around 3960 in one hit)

[@matteodelapaz1698]

The health bars and upgrades carried the combat

[@socksleeve]

Who didn’t do research? I’d spam pictures on every enemy I saw. Also don’t forget the Chemical Thrower, Electric Gel was *the* most broken thing in the game. Hilariously easy kills on Big Daddies

[@JosephFlores-yn4yi]

Idk I'm not gonna claim is greatly balanced or anything But I really don't agree I'm not an expert ofc But through most of my run my game plan was Shotgun + Electro Bolt, telekinesis and Inferno Saving the grenade launcher and chemical thrower for big daddies And gotta say I had a pretty good time and most importantly a fun one

[@cookiescream1993]

Pretty sure Andrew Ryan was so messed up at the end his ego made him want to die by his own terms. As if he still had control at the end despite his city being the exact opposite; a society he never could control in spite of his philosophy.

[@horridjakers7841]

One day you'll stream when I'm awake. Till then I'll enjoy the KZbin lol. BioShock is easily my favorite game. My mom used to watch me play and to this day we quote it a lot.

[@ChirpsalotPlaysGames]

I remember having this weird bug in Bioshock 1 and 2 where the game would get some reason super echoey and super loud until I went to the audio setting and swapped it from stereo to mono and then back the stereo again

[@thatrandomguy8157]

I like how at the end he calls it BioShock Infinite instead of BioShock, I've made that mistake too many times too

[@dusty_reaper96]

i hope there is a follow up video of bioshock 2 it fixed alot of the issues with the first game

[@TheMC1102]

Andrew Ryan let Jack (the protagonist) kill him to prove a point. Remember what he says when you get to him? "A man chooses, a slave obeys". Jack, the slave, killed Ryan because he HAD to. He obeyed the command without even realizing it. Ryan, the man, let Jack kill him because he COULD. He chose to die for what he believed.

[@Jarekthegamingdragon]

He could have commanded him to do any thing so I've always thought this take away was reaching just a bit too far

[@tomstonemale]

​@@Jarekthegamingdragonyeah but Andrew Ryan still drunk the objectivism kool aid. Besides he was going to die anyway if I remember correctly from de audiologs. And your character was Ryan's son, but can't recalled if Ryan knew this or not.

[@MultiKbarry]

Andrew was a dead man anyways. Fontaine was back in charge and dictators have awful fates to mobs. He had already decided to end himself and the city too with the self destruct.

[@ultgamercw6759]

Eh, I tried to play Bioshock a few years ago but it didn't grab me as much as everyone said it would. I admit that opening is legendary and the visuals still hold up but as a game I wasn't overly sold on it. Weapons felt very weak compared with other games from the time period (Looking at Half Life 2). Plus I hated that hacking mini game. As for the story I honestly found the artist section where you take pictures for the crazy guy more interesting, perhaps because I found him playing classical music over a battle really funny. I will say I did play the remastered version however which may have effected my experience. After getting to the twist though I stopped playing and never really bothered going back.

[@ModernWelfare_]

You get to a point in the game where all hacks can be bought or auto hacked so it’s not really a valid complaint seeing as you can just avoid it entirely pretty early on in the story.

[@TammoKorsai]

17 years!? Christ, I'm old!

[@TylerMBuller12]

Man I love all the bioshock games they just stick with me to this day. Such well crafted and interesting games with amazing art style. Obviously the 1st one is the best but the other 2 are amazing in their own rights. I'm actually a really big fan of bioshock 2 and it's dlc it's pretty close with the first one imo.

[@fumlick5925]

It's nice to see this channel get some recognition and focus. presentation of the video was chill, focused, and right to the point without being hasty. Those idiots claiming that this literal piece of art presenting itself as a videogame is bad clearly don't comprehend the experience at all.

[@ThommyofThenn]

Jare' really deserves it. He's done the work and paid the dues

[@Lord_Deimos]

I never was a Bioshock fan but I do appreciate the noir/art deco direction

[@igson-in4rd]

True bioshock one crashed so many times for me on PS4 still a great game though highly reccomd getting the trilogy on sale to anybody

[@pedros6475]

Haven’t watched this channel in a while.. shocked to see an actual dragon

[@enthusiasticgmgaming4165]

Love Bioshock and your videos over the years Jarek! Also PLEASE KEEP USING YOUR AVATAR!!! OMG I LOVE IT!

[@banzaicroc9227]

It's been 17 years... like damn

[@christianmiller6046]

I played this to death back in the day getting every achievement except for 1 or 2. Probably did 25 play throughs so I always appreciate when people say it’s awesome.

[@Snowmaninadesert]

funny story, wen i went to buy bioshock i bought a physical version, wen i bought it i didn't notice that the cover also had bioshock 2 in it and neither did the shop owner so i bought got two games at the price of one

[@OneTapKap]

i was 10 when i played this and it felt like it was gunna be the next halo when i finished the first game, i fell in love, after B2 i was left in a meh feeling. B1 was ground breaking in storyline as a 10 year old

[@jackson7963-MPI]

BioShock 2 is better than BioShock 1 in a lot of aspects, try replaying it

[@OneTapKap]

i bought it. the gun play is great but somewhat miss b1 more. bs2 story isnt as great imo but thats just my thoughts not as scary too i digged the horror more of BS1 @@jackson7963-MPI

[@KylarTyphlosion]

shout out to the horid remaster of infinite on ps4 and xbone. it had a horid sound bug in the burial at sea dlc that had the ambiance of the ocean crank way up. and as someone that fears the ocean that shat me up

[@insertmemorableusernameher6795]

Something that bugs me about bioshock is that so many of the cutscenes where you keep control of your character have the thing youre supposed to look at happening behind a giant wall-sized window that makes no sense architecturally

[@huunhanle3809]

I remembered the time when Activision published Singularity, and everyone automatically thought this is just another Bioshock "clone". Really tells how influential Bioshock 1 is, even years later after it released.

[@didyfinkise9033]

Have you ever considered making a video on ghostrunner? It’s a pretty underrated series and more people should know about it.

[@derek6260]

That's funny just started replaying this yesterday

[@toddhoward1133]

Finally you made a video on bioshock!

[@LTCEZIO]

I’ve played Bioshock on every platform except PS5. If they made it for the Wii or the GameCube I would’ve played it on that as well

[@rockzen8050]

Great vid BioShock is dope! but surprised you don't get the whole "would you kindly thing" The game takes place during coldwar era war, and sleeper agents were a big deal in media this was them trying to add alil of that cold war spice into BioShock I agree its a bit Silly after all the other techno advancements you think they would have put like a chip into Main characters brain or something lol but I totally agree with Andrew asking for you to club him to death I was like whattt why! haha

[@Toby_Kat]

Yeah, you definitely need to load up on passive hacking buffs (fewer alarm and overload tiles in particular) because impossible situations _will_ show up eventually otherwise 😹 BioShock is one of those games where I hadn't played until long after its peak... But despite its sizeable list of flaws, I can overlook a LOT of that just for its atmosphere and the flow of combat! So glad you gave the shotgun a good moment of appreciation, because it's got _such OOMPH,_ haha ❤️ Couple of things I'm sure you've already caught: you mistook Eve for Adam when talking about the plasmids, and you called it Bioshock Infinite at the end. Harmless, but those moments definitely stood out. Great video though!! I'm hoping and praying that Nightdive brings it over to the Kex Engine someday, eliminating the need for that chonky list of recommended fixes ;D

[@MultiKbarry]

Eve is probably an Adam based product. So he isn’t wrong in that regard.

[@roguerifter9724]

I'm the only person I know who got the good ending on their first run. I couldn't bring myself to harvest the little sisters even when I thought I wouldn't gain anything by sparing them.

[@ImSamsquanch]

3:50 is some cool Jarek lore

[@Ratich]

Not to mention Command and Conquer 3 and Supreme Commander 2007 was stacked with legendary games and 9/10s

[@aaronogden9900]

If you have a Steam Deck all 3 work great. I didn’t try them on my Windows PC but I’m glad I didn’t if they’re a broken mess.

[@vinniecorleone62]

A terrific creative gimmick with the introduction of your killer Red Dragon avatar! It adds a whole new unique dynamic to the review & the commentary is even more entertaining & memorable, I love it!

[@ChaseMC215]

The mid to late 2000's was just a vad year for PC ports. 2010 is far worse. In 2010, the PC port for Split/Second was released, and it wasn't all that good, online required an email and password, even on the Steam release, no DLC, texture streaming issues, controller support sucking ass, and a game breaking bug that corrupts your save file if you don't complete one of the episodes in one sitting.

[@super.somarion]

Yaaaayy!!! U brought back da legendary theme song

[@Secret0zv]

17 YEARS?!?!?!?!?! (spits out blood)

[@yungbenis3685]

The 2004 CGI intro threw me off lol, cool you're implementing it though.

[@AGuyInShades]

There's also a bug in the remastered edition that prevents you from saving in Bioshock 2 if you had too many saves in Bioshock 1

[@benehnn2803]

not a bug, thats how the console version is for the remastered version

[@Jarekthegamingdragon]

That's a bug on all platforms.

[@AGuyInShades]

@@benehnn2803 bro it ain't a feature lmao, it's definitely a bug

[@benehnn2803]

@@AGuyInShades saves on pc are fine for both remastered games for me, just on consoles I had the issue mentioned above

[@milos2478]

Can you make a video for Clive Barker's Jericho with SMOD? Game has alot of frustrating issues, but SMOD fixes whole game.

[@Tucher97]

Bioshock may not be graphically superior come to other games but its style is still amazing. The game play maybe simple, but there is nothing wrong with simple. However with the city of Rapture, I wanted a game that takes place some time before the fall of the city, a case of survival horror where your main goal is escaping with a soft timer where if you dick around way to long than you should, your gonna have a hard time. Also anyone that is curious, look at background art for bioshock 2, the city is laterally collapsing in on itself. Ok this comment is becoming long enough, so Rapture, a city built to get away from government overreach, or in short, Ryan wanted a city where people know its him who built it and if you read the novel, you know that some over reach maybe needed, and I recall correctly, because most prisoners are given the shittiest of shit conditions in Rapture, crime as a result is extreme and brutal, as in, a mugging will turn to homicide real quick, people with influence and money are coming from the surface to Rapture to instill their own business and snuff out rising businesses, you may say that is normal capitalism and sure but imagine you start a business, but imagine you are a small nation, you figured out how to smelt your own steel and suddenly a business from no where came in, destroyed your foundries and said "buy your steel from me"

[@2kvoltorb]

Lmao remember playing this game as a kid and I didn’t know about graphics, played the game around 10fps 😅

[@lilfox1512]

Well, Monster Hunter implemented a photography system and that turned out ok. You take a picture of the monster and then get mauled to death by that same monster in the next frame.

[@sac_YT]

I'm very interested to hear your thoughts on Bioshock Infinite. I wonder if you will hate that game just as much as me and tear it to pieces for everything it does terribly lol. Looking forward to it even if you feel differently.

[@sac_YT]

@@fudgepacker2858 correct.

[@ricardogodinez467]

What do you mean its already 17 years from its release? 💀

[@glucosaminecondroitan9135]

The safe hacking was pretty hard. No matter how many hacking tonics you had.

[@Tourettes-syndrome-gaming]

Bioshock is the dancing queen

[@Gohan2000-GO]

Ahhhhh it's a red Dragon!

[@wickdaline8668]

Bioshock may be dated in its character models but not in its environments.

[@ShootingStar1313]

After all these years I'm still confused. Is Bioshock an immersive sim or not? 🤔 I mean if Deus Ex, Prey (2017) and Dishonored can be considered immersive sims, why can't Bioshock be as well?

[@Jarekthegamingdragon]

Bioshock doesn't play like an immersive sim. It plays like a fairly linear shooter with light rpg mechanics. Deus ex, prey, and dishonored are a really different style of games.

[@ThommyofThenn]

18:45 Jarek couldn't hack it.

[@sloomy5847]

You should try out Prey some other time. It was heavily inspired by Bioshock and while I think it had some structure issues I do think it was a very nice experience

[@matteodelapaz1698]

He sorta did a review on that game but was disappointed because it had a shit name

[@trager8933]

One of the first games I played ever. Its still amazing.

[@MrSamadolfo]

🙂 I have all three on GOG, I still haven't gotten around to playing them yet

[@Matt-md5yt]

Glad you covered it my dude

[@nahCmeR]

Well you got me to forget about everyday boring life for 22 mins, soooo amazing video? Yes. Yes it is.

[@raptorok]

What background music do you use?

[@tyrusgailey3131]

I'm not gonna lie. The first bioshock doesn't feel good aiming on console as well. I thought it felt really bad and the other 2 felt much better when aiming and shooting

[@pigeondude2468]

You sure the aiming in Bioshock 1 was fine to me.

[@tyrusgailey3131]

@pigeondude2468 positive. Played it at launch and again on switch. Try drawing a circle with the crosshairs and I promise you'll get squares

[@pigeondude2468]

@@tyrusgailey3131 I replay it a few days ago the aim feels off compare to other games.

[@cscuevas17]

Liked before I even finished the vid. Genuinely love watching your vids. Keep it up.

[@AlternateKek]

I wonder if the remaster has any visual downgrades as well

[@andreiv1916]

haha first, lets see what we have, do a review for the second one WOULD YOU KINDLY?

[@hazeman671]

Thank you so much for A. reviewing the actual 2007 release and not the shitty remaster that players are now forced to buy on digital stores and B. explaining the game needs fixes found on the PC gaming wiki to be a usable experience. As somebody who did most of the fixes for a playthrough recently, I can say it IS worth the effort for sure. Also recommendation for people looking to do the fixes: Whether you realize it or not, there are audio issues, highly recommend the OpenAL EAX fix so you can run the audio properly and not experience it cutting out every time machine guns or turrets fire.

[@afd19850]

People who say Bioshock is overrated are wrong. Simple

[@Jewifer333x2]

The remaster plain had a visual downgrade compared to the original, I dont even know how you can call it a remaster

[@shoeliver]

recently just got this game on my switch. absolutely amazing game.

[@GhosTSpartaNFtW34]

Bioshock is a great game infinite was good wish they made a new one also good video as always

[@demodic7221]

Wait you can aim down sights with the guns? I’ve played this game a dozen times and never knew.

[@pigeondude2468]

Aim sights is useless because the hip fire is already good.

[@socksleeve]

You click in on the stick and you get a zoom, it’s really only useful with the crossbow

[@ldragon2515]

Still a great game, but I still think it isn’t nearly as good as System Shock 2. Are you going to do a video on that game one day? If not, what are your thoughts on that game, especially compared to Bioshock?

[@Jarekthegamingdragon]

I don't plan on making videos of system shock. I'm not a fan of immersive sims so I prefer the more typical FPS approach of bioshock.

[@ldragon2515]

@@Jarekthegamingdragon I see. Why aren’t you a fan of them as much?

[@Jarekthegamingdragon]

@@ldragon2515 I don't like the set up, stealth, and general hassle of making sure every thing is right. I just want to play a more straight forward shooter.

[@ldragon2515]

@@Jarekthegamingdragon That’s understandable. Though one of the reasons people like those kinds of games is because, at least in games like Deus Ex, nearly any option is viable, including playing it like a shooter. Admittedly though, gunplay does take a backseat in those games.

[@AlucardPina]

A masterpiece

[@brawler5760]

I think the hacking minigames might be why people think this game is overrated… this is just as bad as the ones in that Secret Service game

[@tonymahoeney]

whats the song playing in the background?

[@paulnathanmullock6214]

Think it's from the game Legendary if I'm not mistaken.

[@rolig9303]

Anyone remembers the ios port of the game? Yikes

[@ultraelite143]

For me Bioshock 1 was Awesome game i enjoyed it, Bioshock 2 was good, but Bioshock Infinite, even thought people love this game, i not that big fan of it.

[@fireteamdelta9108]

wait he's a vtuber now

[@contentcreator8750]

When a white guy in his mid 20’s is telling me about bioshock retrospective, I sit my ass down and listen.

[@ardailker2011]

When he did become a real dragon?

[@filipwax]

i don't know but its really cringe

[@aciura3964]

Bioshock is simply a masterpiece

[@wwezombiegod]

I really do find bioshock cool and fun to play. I do feel it's gunplay is awful. Still recommend it to anyone who's interested in it

[@Lucivius27]

Love the game love the hacking mini game until they made it dumb in 2.

[@redclone100]

And the fact you can't even technically stream it

[@MrHeavymetalharry]

I want to hear your thoughts on infinite

[@theautonomylost1432]

JarekTheGamingDragon is now officially a dragon, he is evolving!

[@nottin10]

Are you a furry?

[@BenEd2]

Congrats on the dragon, but he needs the hat :P

[@Argacyan]

I would watch a dragon man on the internet talk about dragonomics for half an hour

[@mr.pointman1930]

Unforgotten series and the best game after Half Life.

[@jacktodd3439]

17 years OMG 😱 i'm so old !

[@not8719]

It would be great to see the franchise get a proper RTX upgrade

[@MrHeavymetalharry]

Im glad your comiting to the dragon gimmick