Ramsay was just as evil as Joffrey, but a lot scarier. Joffrey was a sniveling coward. But Ramsay was eager to fight his own fights. And he was terrifyingly good at manipulating his opponents.
@mars7304 Жыл бұрын
Ramsay is a grown man fueled by a family obsessed with power as a means to an end. Joffrey was a boy king with narcissism. The two are not the same.
@invisibleman4827 Жыл бұрын
Joffrey is someone who is so ott and larger-than-life that there's something kinda camp about him, while Ramsay is a more grounded brutal thug, and feels more real.
@Bombadil-ez9ns Жыл бұрын
@invisibleman4827 Joffrey was based on the real life Roman emperor Caligula. (Personally, I thought they made Euron Greyjoy over the top and campy. It was tough enough to keep their villains realistic as long as they did.)
@jameslough6329 Жыл бұрын
@@invisibleman4827 I didn't find Joffrey campy. He was an immature and sociopathic teenage boy put in charge of a kingdom that he clearly didn't have the responsibility to rule. You also have to keep in mind that mental illnesses such as ASPD weren't recognized or treatable in the time period that Game of Thrones was set in. In addition, given how bloodthirsty Joffrey's family was, it is heavily implied that his sadistic and sociopathic tendencies were encouraged rather than reprimanded. I guarantee you there are people in real life who would act in a similar way to him if they had the power he did and a lack of any treatment options for their mental illnesses.
@invisibleman4827 Жыл бұрын
@jameslough6329 Fair enough, he obviously is cut from the same cloth, it's more that he's very exaggerated in a way that we don't really see day to day mostly, but Bolton feels more real.
@krism.6598 Жыл бұрын
You know a character is evil when even his actor was waiting for the writers to kill him off.
@daniellirette7226 Жыл бұрын
I saw an interview with the actor and he mentioned fans coming up to him in public telling him how much they love his character and his response was usually “wtf is wrong with you?” 🤣
@nont18411 Жыл бұрын
And by GRRM’s logic, the more evil a character, the harder it is to write them off.
@wormfood83 Жыл бұрын
Or when you take your mother to the screening and she cheers when your character dies. Didn't happen here, but it did happen to Paul Reiser when his character Burke in Aliens got killed.
@GonzoShitcock Жыл бұрын
...and you know a show is good when at least 3 characters appear on "Analyzing Evil"...
@SirBallsDeepOfHouseManthrust Жыл бұрын
@@daniellirette7226I don’t see what’s so wrong with loving a fictional character. Like, he’s a fake character in a fantasy world. If you went up to Pol Pot or something and said you’re a huge fan that would be different.
@danielsantiagourtado3430 Жыл бұрын
"If you think this has a happy ending, you havent veen paying attention" that line still gives me chills
@JaketheJust Жыл бұрын
Yeah, the ending was disappointing. But Ramsey’s ending was satisfying
@CaitiffFTW Жыл бұрын
@@Darius-_No. They had the original ending, as planned by GRRM. I think GRRM did it as a test for his originally intended conclusion. That's why the sixth book is taking so long. He has to figure out how to unforeshadow the things he's already placed into motion.
@papadoc331 Жыл бұрын
@@JaketheJust i think it was pretty satisfaying
@franciscvmpbell Жыл бұрын
@@CaitiffFTWthis isn’t true. He said it in interviews, that if the fans find out the butler did it, and everything points to the butler doing it, then he’s not gonna change that because it’ll undo everything done before. It doesn’t matter either way, it’s not what happens, it’s how it’s executed. And we don’t know to what extent they stuck to his story points. I personally believe aria will not kill the night king, there’s no night king to kill, there won’t be a pointless expedition north to bring back a walker, Jon won’t be sent back to the non-existent nights watch, etc. a lot of things won’t happen like they did in the show. They changed many things already back when they were sticking to the books and George was writing for the show. The books are a different entity, and should be treated as such.
@Tarnished-bn5gq Жыл бұрын
It sums up the whole series tbh. You weren’t supposed to expect a happy ending, it’s Game of Thrones ffs.
@emissaryofthecows3389 Жыл бұрын
Your explanation of Roose's mentality versus Ramsey's was very enlightening. It makes sense to describe both as monsters, but where Roose is a well dressed vampire, able to walk among men with a mask of normalcy, Ramsey is a gluttonous ghoul, unable to appear human if he were even bothered to try.
@darth856 Жыл бұрын
There is even a conversation between them in the books about this. Roose chides Ramsey for being too open about his true nature. "Your amusements are your own, I will not chide you on that count, but you must be discreet."
@JohnSmith-mz2zo10 күн бұрын
Eloquently put
@AnotherGenericUsername Жыл бұрын
Ramsey Bolton was a very savage character. His actor did an absolutely amazing job showing off his brutality. Amazing work as always 🎉
@oghaze9318 Жыл бұрын
You know an actor is talented when he can go from socially awkward panty sniffer to brutal bdsm lover
@sebastianprimomija8375 Жыл бұрын
@@oghaze9318 Are you talking about Simon Bellamy from Misfits? Yeah Iwan Rheon was great in that.
@Banquet42 Жыл бұрын
It's impossible to do Nathan's delivery justice but I laughed at this exchange made me laugh. "INo offence but you look like you'd have sex with your sister for a piece of cheese." "I don't even like cheese." "That makes it even worse."
@tamiwatchesstuff Жыл бұрын
True. My one gripe for the casting was that he was way too handsome for the part. Ramsey was known to be very unattractive in the books. Other than that he was great in the role.
@charlesfarmer5250 Жыл бұрын
Yes, his actor definitely did an awesome job
@danielsantiagourtado3430 Жыл бұрын
"i prefer beign an only child" more than a depraved reflection of jon, Ramsay was the living breathing embodiment of all negative steriotype about bastards in westeros
@BRouge Жыл бұрын
Wouldn't he be a reflection of Gendry? Since Jon isn't one? Ned save the bastard of Robert - Ramsey kill Ned true Born son Ramsay raped Sansa Gendry had Arya's consent One serve the Lannister the other run from them...
@alilweeb7684 Жыл бұрын
@@BRougeall show bullshit.
@satinarmor Жыл бұрын
@@BRouge I think the comment is based on the book versions of the characters where Jon isn’t confirmed to be a targ yet
@genesisSOC Жыл бұрын
Fun fact: the actor who played Ramsey was almost chosen to be Jon Snow and even had auditioned for it
@my_girl_seraphine5294 Жыл бұрын
@@genesisSOC Now I’m trying to picture the actress switching their roles to each other
@tonybippitykaye Жыл бұрын
Ramsey is one of the few characters in fiction that inspires nothing but disdain and horror for me personally. Joffrey was a monster, but I’d go as far as to say Ramsey was FAR more vicious and cruel in just how much pain he inflicted and how much joy it brought him.
@трыцтытыдыц Жыл бұрын
Basically, Joffrey is a sadistic spoiled child, but Ramsay is cold-blooded, cunning, full-grown monster.
@MeatCatCheesyBlaster Жыл бұрын
Well Joffrey never got to be as old as Ramsay, but he surely would have been just as bad
@benguensche Жыл бұрын
Disdain
@tonybippitykaye Жыл бұрын
@@трыцтытыдыц agreed: Joffrey was a spoiled brat with no restraints and unlimited power; Ramsay was a born bastard living in the shadow of his fathers sins and embodying everything that made him awful, but FAR worse
@tonybippitykaye Жыл бұрын
@@benguensche Thank you for the correction friend.
@milesrinesmith141 Жыл бұрын
When Sansa fed Ramsey to his dogs that moment was fantastic.
@s66s4611 ай бұрын
Which we saw more of it
@AppleGonCrumble11 ай бұрын
No it wasn't. It was plot armor garbage that even landed them in that spot. Ramsey won the battle of the bastards and if DnD hadn't bought into main character syndrome Jon would have died there and Ramsey wouldn't have been captured. Sansa riding into save the day with little finger only happened because the writers forgot how long it takes to travel places. It was a trash ending to a great character and anyone who enjoyed it is literally the reason why the show declined so bad.
@BlazedAzn11 ай бұрын
Not realistic. Honestly, if that fate happened in the actual book-based off the character of Ramsey-he’d enjoy it to the point where it’s unsettling. He’s a demon.
@obiwon123710 ай бұрын
@@AppleGonCrumbleI thoughtit was a disapointing end to the character.
@amortuus_9 ай бұрын
@@AppleGonCrumblebased
@andu1854 Жыл бұрын
Sansa reminded him His hounds were starving and the “oh uh” look on Ramsey before they rip that little homicidal maniac was the best
@carynfisher9463 Жыл бұрын
I love that moment in the show, because it was so great for Sansa to have such a badass moment, especially over Ramsay, but when Sansa tells him "You haven't fed them in seven days, you said it yourself" bugs me a tiny bit. Sansa wasn't there when Ramsay says that. I can tell myself that Jon must have told her about it, but why would Jon have done so? It's sloppy writing, a thing that plagued the later seasons of GoT.
@homelander39 Жыл бұрын
Except that she wasn’t at the meeting anymore when he said that…scene was great though
@leonrobinson81803 ай бұрын
@@carynfisher9463 Word of mouth is a thing you know
@carynfisher94633 ай бұрын
@@leonrobinson8180 I do know that. And I have previously dismissed this little writing error with the exact same logic. And of all the writing issues in the later season of GoT, I could probably let this one go. But it is a truism of books and television that, except in certain circumstances, if it didn't happen on the page or on screen, then it didn't happen. You have to at least reference it. And they don't here. It's minor and one could overlook it by saying "oh someone told her", but it's also another indicator of the lazy writing that I'm not the only person to have called out.
@teearat Жыл бұрын
I have been a fan of Iwan Rheon since Misfits. When they announced he would be Ramsey. I was like, how can this man with these big expressive innocent eyes play such a monster? I gotta see this. There is no way. I was completely shook and terrified. His portrayal was outstanding.
@TheMalmut9 ай бұрын
Having recently gotten into Misfits, I am impressed by his acting skills, nailing such polar opposites.
@Rielle3692 ай бұрын
Literally why he’s my favorite character. I adore that actor.
@LycanVisuals Жыл бұрын
Him wiggling that sausage in front of Theon will always be one of my favorites moments of him lol
@HumanHamCube Жыл бұрын
And makes eye contact the entire time he's eating it like a slob.
@Captain_Insano_nomercy Жыл бұрын
Yet we can't say the R word...weird double standards
@tylerhill40 Жыл бұрын
His name is Meat xD
@KazuyaKai923 Жыл бұрын
"noo it's a pork sausage, do you really think I'm some sort of a savage?" 😂
@yourguyeli Жыл бұрын
Feel an itch?
@GoodMorningBeautiful4 Жыл бұрын
I don't think Lady Hornwood chewed off her fingers out of starvation. The Northmen are the ones who believed this was the reason she did it, but they know little of Ramsay at this point in the story. Ramsay's favorite method of torture is skinning a person's finger and leaving them in agony for days. I think it's more likely that Ramsay had her fingers skinned, and she chewed them off to end the pain. If it was done out of starvation, why did she stop at her fingers?
@AwesomeMusicLady11 ай бұрын
It’s a detail you notice when you read the books more than once. You miss it the first time.
@97CelticPredator11 ай бұрын
Holy hell, I've read them so many times and just realized it thanks to you. I just took the word of Ser Rodrik, but it makes totally sense that he would think that. He would have no idea that anybody would be so evil and skin people's fingers and let them suffer like that until they chew it off. I have to check the wikis to see if anybody else had that theory.
@ajb11710 ай бұрын
This point is even more emphasized when in the POV of Theon he remembers how Ramsey flayed a couple of his fingers, and he begged them to cut them off just to stop the pain! I believe he was even punished for trying to chew them off but I don’t fully remember.
@MickeyP12306 ай бұрын
The starvation route never made much sense to me. If I'm hungry enough to eat a part of myself I wouldn't go for the fingers, they don't have meat on them. 🤔
@MDFT2000 Жыл бұрын
FINALLY For my money, Ramsay is the scariest character. Embodiment of pure evil. Somebody who doesn't want to kill you, but subject you to far, far worse things than death. A captivating performance really does go a long way. Looking forward to your Euron video now
@PolishGod1234Ай бұрын
The Mountain for me was the scariest character. Pure evil psychopath + huge and strong as Hell, granted immunity by Lannisters to do whatever he wants.
@aliz4467 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for utilizing proper credits for the Artwork in this video. Crediting Artists for their efforts is so important. It's greatly appreciated.
@jrgenvellesen7800 Жыл бұрын
Iwan Rheon did a fantastic job in bringing this monster to life. Truly the Bastard of Bastards! Would be fun to see a video on Krampus!
@crylec6534 Жыл бұрын
It crazy he was trying to get the role of Jon Snow. I cannot imagine.
@ToeKnife166 Жыл бұрын
@@crylec6534Iwan could have pulled of John, he can play a softer loveable character too.
@crylec6534 Жыл бұрын
@@ToeKnife166 Perhaps, but mentally picturing Iwan as Jon is hard since I think of Ramsay.
@AdoreYouInAshXI8 ай бұрын
He did a good job if you've never read the books before watching the show. Unfortunately for me I had a completely different mental image of Ramsay based on the description of him and his actions (many of which aren't known in the show), and Iwan Rheon came off as more of a sadistic little hobbit than an intimidating, evil and twisted monster like the book version is.
@rikacanon87 Жыл бұрын
I remember binge-watching this series and missing Joffery. That is how bad Ramsey was in the series. He makes the Ice King look like a princess.
@GG-xx9ep11 ай бұрын
*The whole world* "Joffrey is the most despicable and hateful character ever." Ramsay : "Hold my sausage, Reek."
@tims_always_fishing71178 ай бұрын
😅 you deserve a comment bro
@harrybanwell10125 ай бұрын
Brilliant 😂😂😂
@Hingbacon_24 ай бұрын
Beautiful comment
@ErinMitchell-ml4vl3 ай бұрын
U are SICK annnnnnnd HILARIOUS 😂😂😂😂
@daniell1483 Жыл бұрын
Ramsay is one of the most fascinating villains of ASOIAF. Nobody really understands what kind of beast he is until it is far too late. This is best exemplified by the scene where Roose presents Cat with a strip of Theon's skin (flayed by Ramsay): Cat wants to treasure the macabre trophy, but she resists the impulse. She thinks Theon killed Bran and Rickon, so we understand how she might delight in Theon's suffering. And yet, it was Ramsay, not Theon, who put Winterfell to the sword and burned the Stark fortress. Ramsay's brutality led to the unraveling of Stark loyalists in the North, enabling the Red Wedding in the first place.
@dlbarnes Жыл бұрын
Ramsey Bolton, man, this character was on another level. Keep up the great work
@mars7304 Жыл бұрын
@@voidw4lker is this a troll? A Song of Ice and Fire is not a Christian story.
@mars7304 Жыл бұрын
@@voidw4lker the book has multiple religions, incest, murder of multiple children, implications of beastiality, and occult practices. If you're some devout Christian, you won't like the series. Sorry.
@mars7304 Жыл бұрын
@@voidw4lker yikes, gonna block and move on. Not the reply I was expecting.
@madman00774 Жыл бұрын
@@voidw4lker Makes sense since you're a Christian. Forgot to mention how realistic Game of Thrones portrays your religious world with High Sparrow and his little cult being one of the worst people on the entire series!
@mars7304 Жыл бұрын
@@Darius-_ anti-theism is fine in the face of centuries of religious theocratic rule we've seen in the real world. High Sparrow is shit compared to Melissandre, the Faceless Men, or any other religious stand-in GRRM included.
@multimediafan6777 Жыл бұрын
Ewan Rheon's portrayal of Ramsay was chilling and deeply disturbing... One of the best villains in recent media👏👏👏
@AdoreYouInAshXI8 ай бұрын
Eh, he wasn't bad. But his portrayal was nothing like the book version. Honestly wasn't the best casting decision. Show Ramsay was like an evil little hobbit.
@jodiweinstein858 Жыл бұрын
Thanks! I have to say. I have been a member since the episode off Darth Vader. I finally am at a point where my wife and I can support the Chanel. No need to post this on your next video. Thank you again. You have opened our lives up to hundreds of movies that we now own.
@TheVileEye Жыл бұрын
My pleasure friend, and I appreciate the support! Never a requirement but I’m very grateful and humbled to have made any sort of impact on your lives.
@AlmostEthical Жыл бұрын
As with the Lannisters, the patriarch was focused and political while their heirs were twisted and self-indulgent.
@Justmonika69696 ай бұрын
I guess the lesson is that evil becomes more overt as it passes along generations. The fathers didn't teach their sons how to reel back on their violent tendencies and to pursue power at any cost, causing their sons to become sadistic monsters which is really sad in a way. Both Joffrey and Ramsey, technically speaking, were not born evil but made evil by their evil fathers. (And were promptly eliminated by their kin)
@AlmostEthical6 ай бұрын
@@Justmonika6969 Agree, except that Joffrey was made evil by Cersei.
@CircusoftheMoon3 ай бұрын
Just a bunch of nepo babies of evil.
@fabriziocolaianni7310 Жыл бұрын
I have always been intrigued by Domeric Bolton, Ramsay's older brother. There isn't alot about him but what there is speaks about him as a noble, well loved and honorable man, a man that even sadistic Roose Bolton admired. Unfortunately, we know what happened to poor Domeric
@HoldmyReek8 ай бұрын
Poisoned by his enemies just like his father,RIP both
@vanbatenburg5 ай бұрын
“Noble, well loved and honorable” - you’re basically describing a totally uninteresting character
@erinjean26954 ай бұрын
You don’t have to be an evil rotten sadistic jerk to be an interesting person.
@HOTD108_3 ай бұрын
@@vanbatenburg Yeah, because Ned Stark is so uninteresting. I'm sure nobody will care if he were to die suddenly. 🙄
@ledam26543 ай бұрын
@vanbatenburg Good characters don't have to be uninteresting, seems like you just glorify satanic degenerates.
@danieldeclue14669 ай бұрын
😂"There's a STARK difference between Ramsay and his father." Well put, literally AND figuratively.
@Mimi-cq4bg Жыл бұрын
Utterly incredibly well written character and played so well by Iwan Rheon
@madman00774 Жыл бұрын
Love your video! Ramsay Bolton is the absolute definition of pure evil! His the only character in GOT that can make Joffrey look like a saint!
@darthsilversith667 Жыл бұрын
No.. they’re on the same level
@360entertainment2 Жыл бұрын
@@darthsilversith667not really, Ramsay liked to toy with his captives and break them while Joffrey was more of a bully who could be manipulated!
@pysky4u Жыл бұрын
@@darthsilversith667eh, Joffrey is like the spoiled teenager that falls into a position of power. He acts solely on impulse
@yggdrasil2 Жыл бұрын
To quote Macabre Storytelling, Joffrey is Squirtle, Ramsay is Wartortle, Euron the Crow's Eye Greyjoy is Blastoise.
@darthsilversith667 Жыл бұрын
@@360entertainment2 Did Joffery not like to toy with his victims and break them?
@UnswimmingFishYT Жыл бұрын
He's definitely one of the most evil characters looked at here. It would be challenging to write someone more horrible without essentially just writing a devil figure.
@benderthepirate Жыл бұрын
So Euron Greyjoy.
@bloomins8088 Жыл бұрын
@@benderthepirateI would argue that Euron was more of a shadow of Ramsay. More of a... joke? For lack of a better word.
@benderthepirate Жыл бұрын
@@bloomins8088 Oh, I’m talking about Euron in the books. Show Euron and Book Euron are completely different characters. Show Euron is definitely a joke. Book Euron is not a joke at all. He is basically the Antichrist.
@munken7673 Жыл бұрын
So Book Ramsay and Euron
@UnswimmingFishYT Жыл бұрын
@@munken7673 When I say a devil, it seems like people misunderstand. I mean something like Molag Bal or Morgoth. The characters who in their own worlds are actually seen like the devil, and who pretty much just embody every evil thing that you could think of.
@darthjamula Жыл бұрын
"This isn't happening to you for a reason. Well, one reason: I enjoy it."
@samrizzardi2213 Жыл бұрын
I think I speak for many fans of traditional animation when I say *General Woundwort* from _Watership Down_ would be a great villain to analyse.
@toaderdaniel6790 Жыл бұрын
Woundwort!!! Now that would be something. I've only recently rewatched that animation. Just might be my favorite animation.
@admiralbutt Жыл бұрын
Yes! Watership Down is fantastic!
@Jackal_El_Lobo34 Жыл бұрын
Ah yes the #1 most hatable villain of all time. From him cutting up Theon, to raping Sansa, to murdering John Snow’s brother, to murdering children, to feeding women to his dogs, and to slaughtering a mass of innocent people. The countless atrocities this murder has committed is repulsive.
@cholericimp1358 Жыл бұрын
I thought it was kinda based
@Justmonika69696 ай бұрын
@@cholericimp1358 The only based thing about Ramsey was how he went out: painfully ripped apart and devoured by his own dogs he starved. That's the one thing they got right in the entire later seasons.
@Dreadfort-ho8lg Жыл бұрын
THANK YOU! I waited for this character study for a year. I love this antagonist and Iwan Rheon Perfromance only made him better as a character. Littlefinger would be my other favourite pic for a take.
@AdoreYouInAshXI8 ай бұрын
Iwan Rheon was great if you've never read the books before watching the show. Unfortunately for me he was nothing like what I envisioned. He felt more like a sadistic little hobbit than the terrifying monster than Ramsay was in the books. Edit - Roose Bolton in the show was also a huge letdown.
@Dreadfort-ho8lg8 ай бұрын
@@AdoreYouInAshXI I see your point. Making Ramsay less oger-like was a bolt move, but it fits with his tedency to not getting brutal directly, rather letting you feel the horror under the Surface. His unpredictability is my favourite Part of the book version and it was really brought to life by Rheon.
@thedarkside3146 ай бұрын
That "I will always be a part of you now" is a horrifying line.
@tylerthompson18429 ай бұрын
The actor who played him was so brilliant. All the villains in the show were brilliant but Ramsey was extra special
@JustTooDamnHonest Жыл бұрын
Ramsey Snow/Bolton has earned his place among the most evil sadistic psychopaths on this channel and I'm glad that you did this one VE for he was one of my early votes for a video.
@stairwaytoheaven8 Жыл бұрын
Nope, alex delarge was way more dereanged and psychopathic, he drugged, beat and raped 10 years old girls in the book
@josepha38054 ай бұрын
He's misunderstood, ultimately.
@jameslough6329 Жыл бұрын
My dad was a huge Game of Thrones fan for a long time. He read all the books and watched the entire TV series (at least up to the travesty that was season 8). However, he said that the moment he started to drift away from the book series was when he read what Ramsay did to Theon. He said that he found that the books described Theon's torture and emasculation in such grotesque and sickening detail that he debated whether or not to skip the pages that described it. After having read the books for myself as of now, I understand what he meant...
@AdoreYouInAshXI8 ай бұрын
The books don't even confirm that he was "emasculated", let alone go into it in detail.
@hypello95346 ай бұрын
Think in the books theon just shows up as reek, its never explained what ramsey does to him. If i remember correct
@celebritytarotreading35456 ай бұрын
A crazy GOT fan and skipped all those part.. Too scary to watch or read
@AdoreYouInAshXI6 ай бұрын
@@celebritytarotreading3545 you didn’t read the book. They’re not even in the book.
@celebritytarotreading35456 ай бұрын
@@AdoreYouInAshXI No I did not read the part where ramsey was there cause I watched the series first. And even there I skipped everything
@AtticusTheDeathMetaller Жыл бұрын
Him along with book Euron are the most terrifying Villains of ASOIAF.
@dukes1993724 Жыл бұрын
The show portrayed Euron as a joke. No need for Vile to cover that disappointment lol
@AtticusTheDeathMetaller Жыл бұрын
@@dukes1993724 no lies detected.
@AdoreYouInAshXI8 ай бұрын
@@dukes1993724 For real man. I was so excited for his entrance into the show (that's back when I still held hope for the show), and when he turned out to just be a horny pirate I was so disappointed.
@SUPERTROOPER897 ай бұрын
In the epic words of a dinner guest 'a pure psychopath, so rare to capture one alive'
@cincinnatuscincinnatus8541 Жыл бұрын
Such a great actor, actually both of them are great actors
@davidknight21048 ай бұрын
"Ruling by fear, that time is always short" Tywin Lannister entered the chat
@mr.rodgers98919 ай бұрын
Torturing Reek to the point he is too afraid of harming Ramsey. That is power. That shaving scene still gets me.
@kamalalsb7292 Жыл бұрын
"No one else in the world could match his Sadism and cruelty" somewhere, Maegor the Cruel is laughing.
@satinarmor Жыл бұрын
Not excusing his actions at all but Maegor was somewhat a necessary evil to ensure the targs would survive, Ramsay was just evil
@kamalalsb7292 Жыл бұрын
@@satinarmor yeah I've heard this excuse, but actually - no? He didn't really *solve* any of the problems that ensured the Targ dynasty survived, he just delayed them. Future generations and successors had to actually resolve the issues because his one response was brutal violence.
@thisisboxingproductions6894 Жыл бұрын
Euron Greyjoy enters the chat
@maxomat4319 Жыл бұрын
@@kamalalsb7292 he broke the faith militants. They would have never stopped trying to get rid of the Targs, because of their incest.
@kamalalsb7292 Жыл бұрын
@@maxomat4319 IIRC, he broke them *yes*, but the came back not long after and a more permanent agreement had to be established with the faith, specifically the whole law of Targaryen Exceptionalism? The problems with the faith only really calmed down THEN.
@RyanRedfox Жыл бұрын
I’m far more interested in Roose Bolton than Ramsay in the next books. Ramsay’s behavior is abhorrent, yes, but it’s said that he is only the shadow of his father. Ramsay has all the classic traits of a sociopath or psychopath (whichever category he falls in) but Roose is almost inhuman. Not because of his cruelty but just…him. He speaks a hair above a whisper so that men quiet to hear him. He is cold and calculating and impassive to everything it seems. Ramsay is barbarically brutal and has a sort of low cunning, but let’s be honest he is pretty stupid. Roose Bolton has so much potential in the next book and I hope his character isn’t wasted as a one note bad guy. “Roose has no feelings, you see. Those leeches that he loves so well sucked all the passions out of him years ago. He does not love, he does not hate, he does not grieve. This is a game to him, mildly diverting. Some men hunt, some hawk, some tumble dice. Roose plays with men. You and me, these Freys, Lord Manderly, his plump new wife, even his bastard, we are but his playthings.” “Roose: Lord Tywin is many leagues from here. He has many matters yet to settle at King's Landing. He will not march on Harrenhal for some time. Aenys: You do not know the Lannisters as we do, my lord. King Stannis thought Lord Tywin was a thousand leagues away as well, and it undid him. The pale man in the bed smiled faintly as the leeches nursed of his blood. Roose: I am not a man to be undone, ser.” *AND MY PERSONAL FAVORITE QUOTE* “All you have I gave you. You would do well to remember that, bastard. As for this ... Reek ... if you have not ruined him beyond redemption, he may yet be of some use to us. Get the keys and remove those chains from him, before you make me rue the day I raped your mother.”
@atlas9565 ай бұрын
that’s a really interesting take… i suppose Roose is less predictable, like that, which makes him more terrifying? Like, at least with Ramsay, if you manage to stay out of his general vicinity, you’re safe. He’s not very hard to recognise as insane and dangerous (unless he actively tries to hide it). Roose is a whole different story, because there’s a method to his madness, and he has the intelligence, political skill and restraint that Ramsay lacks.
@thepunisher6674 Жыл бұрын
I think Ramsey Bolton character is summed up by his actions in a dance with dragons being that he has to maneuver his way into being lord of the dread fort because his actions previously turned the people of winterfell and hornwood the places he’s lord of against him
@tescoelvis4092 Жыл бұрын
Been waiting on this specific episode a while, glad to see Ramsay being covered, without a doubt the most sadistic GOT character. Thanks again Vile Eye 🖤
@lindadeal3344 Жыл бұрын
Loved how you handled the situation of Ramsey Bolton!Basically something to get through and go on with your own life!
@Marconius-SPQR Жыл бұрын
Everyone HATES Ramsay Bolton, no questions. Kudos to the actor for an outstanding portrayal of raw evil.
@josepha38054 ай бұрын
I ❤ Ramsey Bolton
@carsoncasmirri3874 Жыл бұрын
There is certainly something to be said about what people do when given power while containing that deadly mixture of ambition, viciousness and competence
@AdoreYouInAshXI8 ай бұрын
Thank you for covering so much of book Ramsay. I was worried this would only be about the show version. The book version is far more twisted, interesting and evil. He's also much more terrifying both physically and mentally. Now, please do a video on The Mountain That Rides, Gregor Clegane (and maybe even a dedicated video for Roose Bolton, as he has far more information than in this video as I'm sure you already know)!
@DamningTooth1 Жыл бұрын
Was hoping to see the following covered one day: - Joe Cooper (Killer Joe) - Nino Brown (New Jack City) - Jake "The Muss" Heke (Once Were Warriors) - The Always Sunny in Philadelphia gang - more James Bond villains
@rowleyryan9025 Жыл бұрын
Always Sunny Gang 😂
@DarrinKemp-lr1cz Жыл бұрын
Ernst Stavro Blofeld.
@ugoeze7360 Жыл бұрын
I thought Nino Brown was covered way back
@360entertainment2 Жыл бұрын
The Always Sunny gang would be an interesting group to cover, they’re all morally bankrupt in their own ways!
@maelguiraud3568 Жыл бұрын
@@rowleyryan9025 he's not wrong they were sick.
@Michigander269 Жыл бұрын
I've been wanting this since you did Tywin Lannister! Great video thanks!
@Anonymiad Жыл бұрын
best villain in the show. the guy just loved being twisted and it was a joy to watch
@TheDivingboy Жыл бұрын
If i am being honest, he was my favourite character of the entire show besides jon. Despite being bastards, they made it pretty far in the GOT universe while being hilariously fun and really enjoyable to watch.
@我主也 Жыл бұрын
Just always remember: the son is a shadow of the father... Ramsay may be uncontrollable, but that only causes everyone to despise him - Roose does everything Ramsay does, and worse, but keeps his land and people peaceful and so doesnt get caught 💀
@laganas2008 Жыл бұрын
I felt so sad for Ramsay when his father was poisoned by his enemies.
@noegiard494 Жыл бұрын
me too, it's horrible that they would do that, imagine how Ramsay must have felt 😢
@davidpumpkinsjr.5108 Жыл бұрын
Ramsey, like all fictional and real sociopaths, does not deserve sympathy for this simple reason: anger is natural but cruely is a choice.
@meumnomen Жыл бұрын
Not a lot of fictional characters are as scary as Ramsay Bolton
@tammyventer5488 Жыл бұрын
When Ramsey says to Sansa: “you can’t kill me, I’m a part of you now.” I see a it from a different perspective. Had Sansa not been so brutalised by Ramsey, she would never have killed him by having his dogs eat him. When she did that, she allowed Ramsey to become a part of her because that is something Ramsey would do. She learned that from Ramsey. So Ramsey won in the end & he did become a part of her because she killed him the way that he taught her.
@bridgettawinchester306310 ай бұрын
I assumed she was pregnant
@UnifiedEntity9 ай бұрын
Sansa doesn't carry on with senseless brutality to her enemies or just people in general.
@RONGEE2099 Жыл бұрын
One of the greatest villains in tv history and one of my favorites. Dude was SADISTIC
@b_e_thecreative Жыл бұрын
How the Starks and the North tolerated the Boltons for so long never made sense to me.
@CodeeXD Жыл бұрын
Because they were almost as powerful as the starks if no as powerful as them. They had a war a long time ago and nearly destroyed each other. Owned a lot of land and the dreadfort as well as a lot of soldiers. Also iirc the annihilation of an entire house is pretty frowned upon
@mappingshaman5280 Жыл бұрын
Because after the starks subjugated the boltons the boltons kept the whole flaying thing on the down low, only really being public with it when they were fighting stark enemies or more specifically in the main series.
@b_e_thecreative Жыл бұрын
@@CodeeXD I get that but I felt that they had plot armor as a house in the north for the story's sake. If they were this big menace, it would have been the North's best interest to band together and get rid of them. Years ago.
@b_e_thecreative Жыл бұрын
@@mappingshaman5280 They were killing Starks for years and years but the North always just let them stay until the main storyline. Yes they fought but if u flaying houses all this time and the most hated, I would think that wouldn't be tolerated in that world.
@mappingshaman5280 Жыл бұрын
@b_e_thecreative they stopped killing starks after the greystark rebellion though and just kept on the DL. Besides there are other houses in other regions with similar histories to their overlords. House ulller and House yronwood to House martell, house Royce to House arryn etc.
@corgeousgeorge8 ай бұрын
The actor who played him is incredible. Before playing Ramsay Bolton, he played a kind, dim witted and super naive and unlucky neighbor to two old gay dudes on a sitcom in Britain, One of the main characters was Sir Ian McKellan. The role was so different and he behaved so differently that it took me a long time to realize it was the same dude who played RamsaY!
@DAFR284918 күн бұрын
They could never make me hate Ramsay! he’s the best character in the show, he was so entertaining.
@andersfrieden5677 ай бұрын
I thought the show's Ramsey was a disgusting psychopath, but then I read the books, and oh boy, his barbaric wild sociopathic behaviour there was even more terrifyingly cruel.
@joshuaherbert304 ай бұрын
In the books it's possible that Ramsay is gonna kill his father and half the northern lords by sabotaging the roof of the great hall burying them all under tons of snow.
@jamescoughlan7175 Жыл бұрын
I'd love to see Little Finger or Book Tyrion. Both can be quite evil but nearly as plainly as Ramsey can be. Great video
@Tommykey07 Жыл бұрын
Ramsay's brutality, in addition to the pleasure it brings him, seems calculated to so terrify his enemies that they will be afraid to oppose him. All stick and no carrot.
@andrewemerson6077 Жыл бұрын
Loved the vid! Cannot wait for the next episode on Sauron. Could a potential episode on Ramses from The Prince of Egypt be seen on the horizon?
@RoCkbunny769 Жыл бұрын
Loved the actor that played him in previous shows, but he really showed his range as Ramsey. Made my blood boil watching him, which is saying something😂
@pyroAdapt Жыл бұрын
Holy shit i didnt even realize he hadnt covered this character yet! This just made my day. I have something of a morvid curiosity when it comes ro torture because the idea of it terrifies me so much. Because of this ramsay is one of my favorite characters of all time.
@joshuasteel3543 Жыл бұрын
I have been waiting for this for a long time, thank you 😊
@stvinney Жыл бұрын
I don't go looking for shockingly evil characters but in my experience Id say Ramsey is the most evil Just to witness the torture would have to make you sick and he actually carries it out with such delight
@tomcross30006 ай бұрын
There was a moment that stuck with me from the series where Sansa and Ramsay were conversing during a sort of struggle for autonomy.. Sansa gets his attention and he looks in her direction from elsewhere but it's like he was still elsewhere- blank expression, even mean looking.. then his eyes return to the present and he puts a smile on.. at that moment it was like the mask was briefly off, but also like he switched personalities when prompted, and it was such a high calibre bit of detailed character acting that i thought it worth a mention.
@jdottdeestv8149 Жыл бұрын
Absolutely loved this episode. I know I've banged on about it the past but the flow of these videos now are so silky smooth my man. You've come far from when you first started and I love the fact you continue to improve, and make very engaging content. On top of that, I think your steady rise says a lot about this KZbin channel. Grown organically, through sheer determination and dedication.
@mikepaulus47667 ай бұрын
My hatred of the greyjoys is so great that I think Ramsay is an anti-villain.
@danielsantiagourtado3430 Жыл бұрын
Its always a great day when you update vile! Please do his father roose next😊😊🎉🎉🎉🎉
@camakaze1330 Жыл бұрын
Surprising to see the amount of Ramsey-Joffrey comparisons in the comments. Ramsey-Euron is much more interesting to me
@djamalbaldjiev7949 Жыл бұрын
We need more GOT characters analysis
@dinorex34647 ай бұрын
Ramsay felt like a man with Jon Snow's body and wit and Joffrey's sadism. One of the best-written characters in the series, in my opinion.
@darthrage8673 Жыл бұрын
You covered Twyin Lannister, Joffery Baratheon, and Ramsay Bolton. The only Game of Thrones characters left to cover are Lord Petyr Bealish, Walder Frey, and Cersie Lannister.
@mappingshaman5280 Жыл бұрын
Euron greyjoy (the real euron, not that idiot talking about fingers in bums that D&D invented) too. Also I don't think walder frey has enough to talk about in either book or show to be honest. I'm not even sure he could truly be considered evil, to me he's just a morally corrupt antagonist, no different to for example balon greyjoy or some of the wildlings. When you think about it what does he do that's evil? He kills thousands at a wedding? OK but they are fighting for a king who sent the biggest "fuck you" possible to him, after he spent his entire 90 year old life getting fuck yous from greater lords He's creepy towards women? OK but that describes most westerosi lords. He's allied with the boltons and lannisters? OK but so are the tyrells and to some extent even the martells.
@satinarmor Жыл бұрын
Do you know how many sinister characters are in GOT? Lmao, and there’s 10x as many in the books
@802SlowedSolutions Жыл бұрын
Finally!! I’ve been waiting on this one for ages! Thank you 🙏
@SerMattzio10 ай бұрын
I think I actually find Roose scarier, because he's just as capable of such vile, petty and deranged sadistic evil. Yet he's smart enough to appear like a pretty normal man outwardly.
@chandansimms916725 күн бұрын
Yeah ,in the show when he was talking with Robb and other scenes where he was present he just seemed like a reasonable and rationale guy until the red wedding where we finally see there’s much more too him
@nerdypythonmedia33434 ай бұрын
Very well said! I've often found myself comparing the Bolton duo and their individual approaches to evil while watching the show. There's a very noticeable distinction between them and you've perfectly explained it. Roose is DEFINITELY the psychopath able to deceive enemies while Ramsay is more of a sociopath. This was highlighted during the events of the Red Wedding as Roose was able to appear as a friend and even openly converse with Cat over dinner.
@IMXLegedaryBard Жыл бұрын
You know you're an evil, cruel, twisted character when I have to say I tolerate Joffrey more than you. To this day, I never hated a fictional character more than Ramsay, which I'll give props to the actor for portraying this evil character too well
@danielsantiagourtado3430 Жыл бұрын
Been requesting this one for SO LONG! Thanks vile!
@doublebbastard7514 Жыл бұрын
Perhaps now it is my characters turn
@doublebbastard7514 Жыл бұрын
Perhaps now it is my characters turn
@tylerhill40 Жыл бұрын
He's the definition of evil.
@j.p.881110 ай бұрын
Castrating Theon and breaking him to the point that he's no more than a loyal servant was the most brutal shit I've ever seen honestly, especially as a man I can't imagine the emotions you'd feel from being tortured and emasculated in such a way.
@flyingsky15599 ай бұрын
Jaime said it best "I'd make them kill me before that happened"
@feynmanstein Жыл бұрын
Another great video Mr. Vile.. 12:35 A perfect example of this difference could be Tuco and Lalo Salamanca. One an unhinged sociopath, the other a charismatic psychopath.
@jamesmanochio43929 ай бұрын
As scary as Ramsey is and as happy as I was when they killed him off... His "pork sausage" scene is easily one of the funniest scenes in the show and the actor was just a delight to watch in spite of what a sick and twisted bastard Ramsay was
@rodneylove8027 Жыл бұрын
Damn! This one was overdue. I feel like you let off easy. Ramsay from the book and show is one of the most vile and evil characters I can think of (The Harkonens of Dune are runners up only by virtue of a dearth of materials describing their acts. Great video!
@ssjdeadpool Жыл бұрын
Another day another Vile Eye W. Thank you for your work, man
@TheDeadmandillon Жыл бұрын
I don't know if it's because winter is coming, but this gave me a good chill down my spine. Definitely an evil bastard that I wouldn't want to be associated with.
@chrisb4131 Жыл бұрын
Ramsay Bolton was one of those cartoonishly villainous characters that had zero redeeming qualities. Not a tear was shed.
@Luke101 Жыл бұрын
I absolutely DESPISED this twerp. What he did to Theon is just horrific
@CharlieApples Жыл бұрын
It occurred to me while watching Game of Thrones that, realistically, Ramsay very likely did “assault” Theon at _least_ once. It’s the most efficient and reliable way to break someone psychologically, and sadists very often learn to conflate sadistic pleasure with sexual pleasure. This is why it’s such a common method of torture in prisons and POW camps. But frankly, GoT was already pushing the envelope in terms of how brutal a show could be before people became so disturbed that they stopped watching it, and they probably thought that Ramsay’s repeated “assaults” on Sansa were already stomach churning enough. And gay “assault” is for whatever reason typically seen as worse than heterosexual “assault”. Ramsay was literally so evil that even GoT had to pump the brakes in its depictions of him.
@chico9805 Жыл бұрын
Gay "assualt" is seen as, and is worse because it's unnatural. A woman can walk away from being raped and still keep some semblance of dignity, a man can't.
@leonrobinson8180 Жыл бұрын
That reminds me of "buckbreaking", a practice where the sadistic slave masters found the tallest and strongest male slave, then brutally beat and often sodomize him, to psychologically break him as Ramsay did Theon, and to communicate to the slave women and children that the power lay with the slavemaster, not their men.
@Unlucky_fool_1409 Жыл бұрын
you know a character is horrible when vile eye starts the video by saying that he could not mention some of the character's action in this video
@dwigg77003 ай бұрын
The actor that played Ramsey was incredible. Dude actually makes your skin crawl with a smile. Truly fantastic portrayal of a sadist.
@sambo9174 Жыл бұрын
Do you think you'll ever cover the High Sparrow? I'm not sure if 'evil' is the correct word to describe him but he's definitely one of the more complex villain in the series.
@josephsalmonte4995 Жыл бұрын
Nah. He wasn't evil. Just your run-of-the-mill religious zealot.
@Raine749 Жыл бұрын
He’s not easy to understand
@orirune3079 Жыл бұрын
He's interesting because he's an antagonist, but an antagonist to Cersei who is absolutely a villain. So is he a villain? Not necessarily. But he's certainly not a hero or protagonist. Anti-villain maybe?
@figure830 Жыл бұрын
Villain Suggestions: Arnold Toht - Indiana Jones Emperor Belos - The Owl House Fenrir Greyback - Harry Potter G-Man - Half Life Graviton - Agents Of S.H.I.E.L.D. Hydra - Marvel Cinematic Universe The Plague Doctor - SCP Foundation
@vietnow4611 Жыл бұрын
This guy has really found his voice. I really like his pace and tone in this video
@deffientllynotjalenbutler1736 Жыл бұрын
His armor in a song of ice and fire is so metal. He truly deserves his moniker beast in human skin.
@tfly999 Жыл бұрын
The predator example is still spot-on, I mix-up psychopath/sociopath frequently. As for future videos, I'll repeat some good ones I've mentioned in the past: Fernand Montego from "Count of Monte Cristo" (especially the 2004 movie), Gaston from "Beauty & the Beast" (animated preferably), and Top Dollar from "The Crow. EDIT: Maybe, for 'April Fools' or the like, you could feature some villains from comedic works who are still great villains to analyze. Like Biff Tannen from "Back to the Future", Shooter McGavin from "Happy Gilmore", and Forge Fitzwilliam from "Dungeons & Dragons: Honor Among Thieves".