Analyzing Evil: Pennywise From IT

[@TheVileEye]

Reuploaded because the intro wasn't included in the original. Happy Halloween all! An extra episode this week because I figured an evil channel needs a Halloween episode. Enjoy the holiday!

[@brettkimura]

Happy Halloween 🎃👻 You’re the best!!

[@marcogarcia2706]

Whew, that's a relief. I thought you got copyrighted. Also, I was wondering if you could do The Green Goblin/ Norman Osborne from Spider-Man (2002).

[@foolsfolly3476]

Do Henry Evans from the good son next.

[@ChillMurray7]

knew it was weird you didnt do the OG intro lol, great uploads...you should do some evil characters from other media too!! like seeing your take on evil videogame characters would be cool too!

[@pressurebooger]

Was wondering. I usually jump on your videos and then it cut out! Lol

[@TLDelapore]

I always thought of Pennywise as the depiction of a childhood bully given unlimited power. He's sadistic, but also immature and lacks foresight. It seems old, but not wise.

[@zoharborage6609]

A primeval maw. - It's focus is swallowing and eating alone.

[@mikephelps9238]

@@zoharborage6609 yet it tortures children with their greatest fears. It shows great sadism in torturing them before killing them.

[@timothygarner477]

@@mikephelps9238 The depths of children's imagination and capacity for horror is what attracts It to them. It's seasoning so to speak

[@stingerjohnny9951]

I suddenly thought of Bill Cypher. 😝

[@dr.masiaka7048]

He’s basically a Patrick hocksetter type guy given actual power.

[@brittanymccants9763]

I appreciate that Skarsgard didn’t attempt to remake Tim Curry’s version and took on a version of his own. This remake was really successful because it took a different approach to terrifying and the sadistic approach fits more with where society is now. I think both Tim Curry and Bill Skarsgard’s portrayals we’re genius just very different.

[@daniell1483]

Terrible, monstrous, evil, but I still can't help but smile when Pennywise starts dancing.

[@mikeyyyyyy3312]

Lmaoo I completely feel different but I can understand why you do that

[@seansoroko7274]

dude, when i first saw pennywise dancing in the 2017 film my thought was "This scene is begging for a meme."

[@SeasideDetective2]

I, personally, couldn't help feeling sad when Pennywise was defeated for the final time - in the 2019 movie, that is. Seeing a giant spider get torn apart is one thing, but the death in the film was a borderline tear-jerker. I realize that I'm not supposed to feel that way - that I'm supposed to feel immense satisfaction at seeing an unrepentant murderer pathetically begging for his life, and I do - but at the same time I don't see why Its final form had to be THAT pathetic, to the point where Pennywise literally looked like an unborn baby. I find it hard to believe that It really was that scared. So perhaps It reasoned that the Losers had defeated It once and could easily do so again - and now that they were no longer afraid at all, Its only hope of escape was to take the desperate measure of playing on any feelings of pity and sympathy they might feel. All that said, I am impressed that, at the very end, It made at least a token effort to die bravely, smiling and telling the Losers that they were "growing up," almost as if It was proud of them. Or maybe the realization that the "impossible" was about to happen and the "immortal" creature was finally going to die just caused It's sanity to snap completely.

[@Geezer-yf8hv]

I can’t look away! I just want to die…laughing!

[@sminor666]

I laughed when I saw the film in the cinema too until I read the book and realised this is how he's supposed to be protrayed

[@EchoCT1409]

Fun fact: In the book, Mike Hanlon’s Dad was saved from the Black Spot fire by Dick Halloran, the cook from The Shining, because he had a Shine about where the exit was. According to Mike’s Dad, “ He seemed to know exactly where to go, as if he could see through the smoke”

[@8thhousemoonrabbit205]

I was so sad about what happened to Dick Halloran but he didn't suffer and Lord knows that in the Dark Tower Universe, much suffering, is possible.

[@tkmccoywv]

Well, dang. All the times I've read that book (IT) and never caught that. Thank you!

[@jonathonbisiach749]

One aspect in whether Pennywise could truly be considered evil is his willingness to use others, such as Henry Bowers and Al Marsh, to do his bidding.

[@clatricia]

Humbert Humbert from "Lolita" would be an excellent villain to cover, imo. The things he does and the mindset/rationalizations he presents for his atrocities are prime material for a psychological breakdown.

[@racingbee]

yes!! truly villanous

[@RoaringMind]

Yes, very good idea!

[@Burning_Dwarf]

The books author explicitly wrote humbert to be hateable, would there be a breakdown beside what is explored within canon?

[@clatricia]

​@@Burning_Dwarf humbert's characterization is complex and arguably not written to be wholly unsympathetic while still being evil (hence why the book is often romanticized), and there are two movies + the book to discuss so... a lot to break down imo

[@sophiaalexandra_]

yes yes yes

[@Stormkrow280]

There’s actually a part of the book where Mike theorizes that IT does not actually need to eat the physical bodies of its victims, and in fact that our beliefs may influence its behavior in a minor way: it feeds on their faith and fear makes that faith taste better, but it eats the physical bodies because that’s what is expected of it, a child expects the monster to eat them when they are caught, so Pennywise eats them.

[@Jenna2k]

I always thought of IT as something running more on instinct. IT has a consistant style of hunting. It has found a way to make its food taste better and instinctivly repeats this. It also has a set hunting time and always wakes up at a certain time.

[@WhatsReel]

steph curry's pennywise was legendary. he literally dunked on those kids

[@lewis4774]

Fr

[@jonathanfleschner6975]

You mean tim

[@NoCapHistory]

He crossed those kids and shot a three u mean

[@jdcharnell]

@@jonathanfleschner6975 it's a basketball joke

[@lamiagumbo]

For some reason the fact that Currys IT had a sense of humor added a dimension of horror that made him even scarier to me.

[@JohnoftheWesternlands]

I think Tywin Lannister would be a good choice for an analyzing evil episode

[@numenor17]

Agreed. One of my favorite characters form that series.

[@gontran8638]

and Euron Greyjoy, he's still not very much developed in the books (he's shite in the serie) but has lots of potential

[@pazuzu7779]

O.M.G. yes!! Cercei as well.

[@BrandonNinja]

Yep, I've saying this one for a while.

[@BrandonNinja]

@@gontran8638 Ramsey

[@HunterShark300]

Pennywise truly is one of the most sinister villains ever. I'm not really creeped out by horror characters but it really stands out. The way it looks human but you know it isn't was done so great.

[@matthewgabriele206]

I love you profile pic. “Hello Vinnie, it’s your Uncle Bingo. Time to pay the check.” *kills a dude with a pen*

[@Skoopyghost]

You beat Pennywise by beating your fear so if you beat social anxiety, OCD, anxiety, and ETC. You can beat Pennywise in a fist fight in theory.

[@JuwanBuchanan]

@@SkoopyghostIT feeds on fear. When you learn not to fear him anymore, he’s weak as hell

[@donshipman8441]

The remake was excellent and Scarsguard was amazing but Tim Curry was disturbing the way he added sinister comedy. The first film truly terrified me as a kid. I couldn’t look down drains for a long time without waiting for a white glove to lift up slowly. Curry is an amazing actor!

[@PlanetZoidstar]

It helps that Curry starts off friendly, gregarious and playful..THEN he turns monstrous. Scarsguard doesn't even try to seem friendly and nice. He's creepy from the start.

[@donshipman8441]

@@PlanetZoidstar exactly! There is something so sinister about how Curry did just like you said.

[@somegirla3974]

When I was a child I was scared to take showers by myself because of the movie with Tim Curry. I would put soap on the drain so if pennywise came for me he would get soap in his eyes.

[@thegoldensorcerer9866]

The original IT was not scary in the slightest

[@NP-iy1zu]

@@thegoldensorcerer9866 I find Skarsgard's Pennywise to be simply goofy & I can't take it seriously. It's almost as if "scary" is subjective...

[@sabrinayorde5315]

I've always found Tim Curry's Pennywise scarier than Bill's. He has that "human" stranger danger quality that already makes clowns creepy + the makeup and voice and old timey suit. By looking at Skarsgård's version you ALREADY KNOW he's scary and evil.

[@jonathanshaw1982]

Spot on

[@vksasdgaming9472]

Tim Curry does Pennywise as real clown. Bill Skarsgård does Pennywise as parody of clown - something unearthly, emotion-eating interdimensional creature (something like that) which has learned the concept through victims it has eaten and is just barely managing to keep it's disguise up. Both are great as they are different. Tim Curry is better clown and Bill Skarsgård is better monster.

[@imcallingjapan2178]

Bill Skaarsgard felt more like a fantasy villain, like from The Never-Ending Story or something. Tim Curry reminded me of Pazuzu from The Exorcist

[@BoomstickAsh]

I agree completely. Overall, I enjoyed the 2 part, feature film version of IT. However I was kinda let down by Skarsgard’s look & performance. It was a fantastical look and his performance at times seemed too over-the-top; almost kabuki. Curry’s Pennywise felt like he was a creepy, middle aged stalker. I don’t know…then again maybe part of that has to do with the fact that I saw the 1990 miniseries as a kid and it disturbed me.

[@sollekram]

Well said, but i have to add that, By even looking the actor Skarsgaed without make up, its damn scary!

[@DrForrester87]

The horrifying truth is Pennywise isn't dead. It is briefly seen in a storm drain in Derry in Tommyknockers. In Insomnia, it's mentioned a character sees an aura coming from a Derry storm drain. Mr Gray comes across more evidence of this in Dreamcatcher when he sees the words "Pennywise Lives" covering a plaque The Losers Club has made to honor the victims of It and the flood that resulted from Pennywise's defeat when the sandpipe collapsed. The eggs raise an interesting possibility. I think it's natural to assume those are offspring but what if those are simply vessels for the creature's consciousness? Instead of others of it's kind rather a way for Pennywise to cheat physical death by simply inhabiting another vessel if and when the current one is defeated?

[@jameson32]

There's a chapter from It's POV in the novel, and if I recall correctly It thinks of the eggs as It's offspring, not backup bodies.

[@DrForrester87]

@@jameson32 A whole litter of little spider clowns. Not an image I want stuck in my head xD

[@vksasdgaming9472]

With deeper look It is not a physical monster, but more of an spiritual/extradimensional entity. It might feed on fear and children fear purest. It's habit of eating It's victims is directly related to It being a monster as monster capture children and eat them. It is something alien. It's spider-like form (clunky as it was in original) might be showing of It's role as influencer in Derry. Monster pulling the strings and capturing unwary with them. It's vicious nature even influenced Derry itself making it disproportionally violent city. New version shows it very well. It is shaped by belief and The Losers Club believed it to physical thing they could find, challenge and kill. Experience made It most dangerous and weakest It had ever been as it learned to bear a grudge and use It's abilities much more efficiently.

[@thebatter7769]

One of them is likely dandelo from the dark tower. Who uses the same glamour to trick victims. Specially since stuttering Bill is there. Named after one of the losers club members.

[@vksasdgaming9472]

@@thebatter7769 That thing (which fed on laughter and grief) might have been similar entity. Or aspect known elsewhere as It. My memory of Dark Tower is hazy.

[@eduardodiaz9942]

As scary as Skarsgard's portrayal can be, Tim Curry's Pennywise will always have a place in my heart

[@Geezer-yf8hv]

True, Tim’s Pennywise get to you, under your skin. Skarsgard’s is truly horrifying! More repellent than anything else!

[@kaiserepsilon4011]

It's like a gift from space! (Repeated nudging)

[@swimmingmide]

A lot of people don't seem to pick up on this but King's favorite monster to write is a vampire. He has written regular vampires, alien vampires, psychic vampires, and interdimentional vampires. "It" is a psychic vampire. "It" doesn't accually need to kill or eat the victims, It just does out of spite and convinence. A similar being was in the last Dark Tower book, only it fed off of mirth rather than fear. It kept a food source a young boy alive for years without killing him. Salem's Lot, The Shining, Dr. Sleep, It, Dark Tower 7, The Regulators, Dream Catcher, and several other books all feature a vampire style monster. They do not stricktly drink blood, but they all feed off of others in some way that keeps them alive and doesn't need to kill the host...but they do anyway.

[@roguebritgravy1]

I always assumed Bob Gray was a person in Derry once. He was an entertainer, maybe a actor for the theatre. Maybe IT the creature analysed Gray's mind and killed him utilising the skills IT learnt to hunt for food. Maybe Gray was the first person IT encountered. Possibly could have been a killer too.

[@iknowmyenglishisshit3802]

Not in the films, I believe the second part explains how native americans encountered it for the first time.

[@FrenchJae]

@@iknowmyenglishisshit3802 Don't go by the new movie version. +RogueBritGravy is right.

[@PatrickWDunne]

Pennywise is a villian I didn't know I needed an analysis of. Great work as always!

[@IgurFourrure]

Maybe the reason he choses the clown form is because there was a circus going through the town and Pennywise noticed the joy and entertainement it gave to the people and chose it as the best form to lure people. Just a thought I had

[@sollekram]

Yea probably. it shows in one of the films a circus on derry , in a picture frame. Where he could have gotten the idea for the form. The children's was a good prey cause of the fear they emitted. Now on what he was before that, not a damn clue. And as we all know everything should have a start. If my memory recalling is good, in the series first episode, in the beginning was a scene of a meteor striking earth(position today derry). It was probably some sort of a plague a virus, which was in hibernation, until humans appeared.

[@Someguyyoudontknowyo]

@@sollekram I believe the book just says IT is a cosmic entity from the Macroverse or something like that. A true form is never given. It’s explained that IT took the spider form because that was the scariest thing the kids minds could perceive. As if they couldn’t even comprehend how terrifying the true form was.

[@8thhousemoonrabbit205]

I think IT also loved the irony. He (if you can call 'IT' a 'he', the creature gave birth but the Dark Tower, is a twisted Multiverse) reminds me of Anansi the God, who favored the form of a spider and liked to play word games & tricks - except purely maliciously, spiteful. The creature laughed at humans, who were, by & large, entirely unaware of the broader state of existence or how vulnerable, they were. IT was a pure sadist.

[@TheFreshEC]

Classic IT with Tim Curry as Pennywise was legendary, really loved his performance.

[@Kenshiro3rd]

10:40 No, we don’t… but the Lion doesn’t torture the gazelle because out of a sense of sadistic glee, amusement, & love of its “flavor”, as It does. Yes It feeds on fear, but It also draws enjoyment from torturing & playing with its prey, as stated in the book. So yes It IS very explicitly evil.

[@EricRedbear]

If you're venturing into the Court of the Crimson King, then *Randall Flagg* (aka The Walkin' Dude, Walter o'Dim, Marten Broadcloak, etc) would be a good study.

[@Ryan-sw6jx]

Gaunter O'Dimm, you mean. But Randall Flagg would be a great subject to hear about as well

[@apt888]

Agreed, the Man in black would be very interesting to analyze, especially since he started out as a normal human being.

[@acgruel]

I think of the man in black.quite often

[@kaiserinyoleba5711]

Crimson king? Is that a jojo reference?!?

[@JauntyScarecrow]

@@kaiserinyoleba5711 Both the Stephen King character and the Jojo whatever are a reference to the band King Crimson and their album "In the Court of the Crimson King".

[@tomlondon27]

0:04 - the absolute BEST opening montage I have ever seen 😂 So accurate & funny!

[@reecewarrenmarshall3760]

I think Terence Fletcher from Whiplash would be a great. Fletcher is a realistic evil as he has no supernatural powers or abilities and is purely human. He is also someone that the majority of people will come across in their lives. Fletcher is not a serial killer, he is not a rapist or even a criminal but somehow manages to be absolutely terrifying.

[@chrisegan6671]

Bro imagine penny wise trying to scare fletcher and just absolutely failing

[@dforman4770]

@@chrisegan6671 I don’t think pennywise would fail but it would definitely be an entertaining match up

[@danielmlinar4892]

Even if his actions are extreme and unjustified, I don't think he is evil. He is a jerk, sometimes sadistic, but his intentions are somewhat understandable and actually good. In my opinon evil needs bad intentions and Fletcher doesn't have those.

[@reecewarrenmarshall3760]

@@chrisegan6671 Fletcher would have pennywise whimpering in a corner like a whipped dog

[@reecewarrenmarshall3760]

@@danielmlinar4892 Personally, I disagree while there was a method to his madness that he did manage to push Andrew to becoming an excellent drummer, I believe Fletcher 100% had bad intentions as he wanted HIS “Charlie Parker” and just saw Neiman as a device to achieve this desire. He is completely selfish, egotistical and didn’t care what happened to Andrew just as long as Fletcher could could claim the glory that he used his abusive style of teaching to succeed in creating a star.

[@firstlast9846]

“Torturing ones food to enhance its flavour is unnecessary - and if a person was doing so to its food would be the same” they actually do the same thing for The Yulin Dog Festival

[@robn6368]

Frieza would be a great addition, for many who were young when Dragon Ball came to the west Frieza was one of the earliest examples of an evil character that didn't have a sympathetic bone in his body and sometimes went out of his way to cause pain and suffering around him.

[@user-gm4kv2my4u]

Agreed. Frieza is the best DBZ villain by far. Vegeta would also be very interesting considering his path to redemption after committing the atrocities he did.

[@f-zilla7347]

I’d absolutely love to see videos for Dragon Ball. King Piccolo, Frieza, Cell, Buu, Goku Black, Baby, the Shadow Dragons, etc.

[@saloz9483]

Yea DBZ Frieza was a nicely done Villain for the show. Even with super messing him up at least I still have Z to go back to.

[@zoharborage6609]

Frieza is a basic evil. Nothing special.

[@rickblaine9670]

I think Vegeta would be the best subject, mostly in his Saiyans-Frieza saga incarnation. He is a truly complex character, who represents a fascinating mixture between a warrior’s pride and a murderer’s sadism and cruelty. Plus, Frieza would of course be a part of this analysis as well, since he is all of Vegeta’s worst traits given form.

[@nexus8796]

I always thought it would cool if pennywise came from the same space as the creatures from "the mist". Pennywise has alot of qualities of a "Raksasha".

[@MasterOrona]

Don’t forget the turtle references as in this world (the King Universe) gets goofy as a giant space turtle barfed everything into existence and is apparently Pennywise’s nemesis.

[@LoneEagle2061]

I was going to mention that myself; although I wouldn’t say it was goofy… it is simply the mythos. A hunched, ape-like bat-winged creature with a cephalopod for a face is neither less nor more goofy.

[@irreliventable]

More like his opposite than two entities physical battling for eternity. I always thought of them as manifestation of the concepts of creation and consumption or alpha and omega. Two biproducts of creating a universe which gained intelligence long after they came into being.

[@danbolt6003]

King truly had the best Coke back in the day

[@anguseverist4178]

Yeah, but that shit is important because it ties Derry into the Dark Tower world. Insomnia also does that, but it really ties it all together.

[@anguseverist4178]

@@irreliventable They're not. The Turtle is one of (I'm pretty sure) 12 'gods' that hold up the (I think) 6 beams supporting the Dark Tower world, which is kind of the great world that is central to all others in the King universe. I think IT is just some space demon thing.

[@ryllo2886]

Speaking of clowns, it would be interesting to cover the Firefly Family from House of 1,000 Corpses, The Devil's Rejects and 3 From Hell. Especially with the massive tone shift with the first two entries.

[@OtisDriftwood-mp7hg]

Yes, especially Master Otis B. Driftwood.

[@petarnikolovski3867]

definitely not

[@sheepbeeps3369]

I can't dispute your idea so much as reinforce it. The version in the newest movie makes a lot more sense. He doesn't look like a modern clown, but instead resembles a Mummer. Mummers are the medieval predecessors of clowns. The jesters we know were the personal mummers of the nobility. He even has the doublet and frills. Edit: I also wanna suggest a villian. Lets take a look at captain hook's many portrayals.

[@M3NAm1z]

Mummers are still around in Newfoundland

[@alexdinu589]

Here are some suggestions: Fletcher (Whiplash) Gus fring (Better call saul and breaking bad) Vaas montenegro (far cry 3) Saruman (lord of the rings) All for one, dabi, tomura shigaraki (My hero academia)

[@GermanFarmer]

Griffith from berserk would be nice

[@patrickmcaloon5343]

We need one for vladimir makarov but gus would be cool

[@longshotbeats327]

The mother from precious.

[@landonvlcek9047]

Hell yes absolutely do VAS 😊 such an interesting character

[@halo3boy1]

@@GermanFarmer Griffith did nothing wrong

[@roberthenrypoet]

In my opinion, the original on screen depiction of Penny Wise is more effective at being disturbing and creepy: This no shade toward the movie version, but whatever remnants of my childhood fear of clowns remains is more in line with the miniseries.

[@kevinmalone584]

The new one has a more unique and standout look And in 50 years will be known to have to more iconic look for Pennywise

[@roberthenrypoet]

@@kevinmalone584 Perhaps, I personally feel that older horror films has the advantage of naturally looking more creepy. I don't know, you may be right: Considering that most people would watch a 2 hour movie over a miniseries. But 50 years is a long time from now to be able to determine future taste in horror, we'll see what happens. ( Some of us at least... 😂 )

[@tinajeppesen5948]

I actually like everything about the remake better except overdoing the CGI…& oh I like John Ritter from OG

[@roberthenrypoet]

@@tinajeppesen5948 CGI always is tough to get away with in horror films, esp8 when it's overused: I prefer practical effects for horror.

[@saloz9483]

@@kevinmalone584 I kind of doubt that I mean are people going to remember remake Freddy Kruger or the first Freddy Kruger. Also in the mini series you have non other than Tim Curry playing the character.

[@matthewmiller5288]

To add to the thought on whether Pennywise is evil because he's "just eating": IMO while what it is doing psychically is best described as "eating" we don't know that it has to even eat to survive, that's thinking about it from a mortal perspective, but this is an eldritch-esque entity that also slumbers for decades at a time. So I don't think it's necessarily even needs to eat to survive, but just because it enjoys the act.

[@vksasdgaming9472]

Belief has shaped It. Most likely It was benign creature first and eventually evolved into monster It is. Sadistic, power-hungry entity following It's normal cycle of life and after It's first defeat angry and way more sentient as It has ever been.

[@loki1456]

I'll never forget being a certain age and seeing the 1990 miniseries of IT. Curry's performance as Penny's struck a cord within me and terrified me. IT left a fear of clowns within me. And yet, I would watch that miniseries over and over. I think, growing up a very lonely and bullied child, I found something comforting in The Losers Club. Here was this group of kids, bullied and tormented, yet they found each other and used that friendship to defeat an ancient evil. When I watched the movie, I felt like I was part of The Losers Club.

[@loki1456]

Edit: dammit, Pennywise, not Penny's. Screw auto correct.

[@Nrvr]

I absolutely love the "hello everyone" inserted into mouths of the villains :D

[@an-animal-lover]

Me too

[@hcbeatz523]

I understand that Count Olaf is goofier than "evil," but I think his progression from good to evil would be fascinating to dissect

[@maxsync183]

In the books he was pretty evil, the film and series were pretty good but I do think they lost a bit of his sinister edge and tipped just a little too much into humor territory

[@bradleykoperski7198]

Also keep in mind that Pennywise brought about his own end by luring back the only people who were ever able to hurt it

[@PlanetZoidstar]

I much prefer Tim Curry's Pennywise, that is a clown I could see children being fooled into trusting. He looks harmless and friendly until he shows his fangs. The new Pennywise is just creepy by default.

[@thepixelman4776]

Tbf it didn’t try to do the friendly thing very much. Probably because these days clowns are aren’t seen nearly as friendly.

[@KutWrite]

@@thepixelman4776 Yeah, especially after John Wayne Gacy!

[@awesomesmileyguy]

@@KutWrite Actually it's probably more because of all the killer clowns in media inspired by JWG, they stay in your memory a lot more

[@betterlivingthroughdxm3854]

Stephen Curry did a better job imo

[@SeasideDetective2]

On a meta level, I think they chose to portray him that way as a sort of reflection of how much scarier people found clowns in the late 2010s than in 1990. Pennywise had obviously been studying the culture of Derry - and, by extension, that of America and of Western civilization itself, which Derry encapsulates - very closely. It's actually a bit ironic that he didn't appear as a clown to the Shawkapeewa (Derry's local Indian tribe) too, since they had never seen anything remotely like a clown before and would have been frightened by the unfamiliarity. But then, I suppose, this had happened back when Pennywise himself had no knowledge of what a clown was. My guess is that one day in the 19th century the circus came to town (circuses being more or less nonexistent in colonial America, but fairly common in frontier-era America) and Pennywise saw Robert Gray in full costume and noted how he was meant to appeal to children. So he killed Gray and assumed his clown identity - and came to rely on the clown persona more and more as he came to understand that many children were actually afraid of clowns.

[@sean5558]

Tim Curry was perfect as Pennywise, as Dr Frankfurter on Rocky Horror, Wadsworth on Clue, a true stage actor with so many personalities.

[@vksasdgaming9472]

When Tim Curry is cast as villain you know he delivers. Even without his physical appearance he is extremely impressive villain. "I underestimated you once, duck. This time, you simply die. "

[@LaughingGemini]

I watched the original IT for the first time as an adult and it was genuinely uncomfortable (for a lack of a better word) the entire time. I can understand how some people have a fear of clowns because of this movie.

[@MissTia777]

Whimp

[@allendalephillips]

I was 9-10 when Tim Curry made me afraid of clowns, spiders, and drains

[@Adog00]

Happy Halloween, everybody!🎃🔥

[@ArthurSanford3706]

Most horror villains target your conscious. Pennywise targets your subconscious. That's what makes him so terrifying.

[@supercolorful5878]

Thats even worse because the subconscious is stronger than the conscious isnt it

[@ArthurSanford3706]

@@supercolorful5878 most horror villians just know that you're afraid of them. Pennywise knows what you're afraid of and uses it against you.

[@e.m.m.i6054]

8:43 the thing is courage doesn’t mean fearless rather overcoming those fears Take Link from The Legend of Zelda he isn’t fearless, it’s quite the opposite but he still stands his ground Just thought I’d point that out

[@grapeshot]

Beware of those deadlights, Richie.

[@philosophyoftrucking]

Beep beep

[@jcaseyjones2829]

Also, is Bill Hader incapable of being unfunny? His reaction to the deadlights is hysterical!

[@marnenixon3751]

Try "Barry". Or "Trainwreck"

[@lizbennett1905]

I dunno, he made me physically sob cry in It, which is a hard task

[@jcaseyjones2829]

I think this came off wrong? I'm pretty sure he was trying to be funny.

[@8thhousemoonrabbit205]

@@jcaseyjones2829 a mix of humor and horror, that's perfect for the source material, movie & character.

[@tmtmtg]

That was funny but Chapter 2 tried way too hard to be funny ngl

[@mist3rmaniac]

Creatures from the Prim don't need to eat. A combination of hate and jealousy drives them to do things like It does. The graphic novel version of The Dark Tower has tons of amazing lore at the end of each issue. In 2012 used to read a full version of It after work in the woods by a drainage pipe till it was dark, each day, till the novel was done.

[@adammcilmoyl4278]

I'd love to see a video on Penguin/Oswald Cobblepot specifically from Batman Returns... a much darker, more twisted, and more tragic version of the traditional Penguin character.

[@smithjeff3002]

If you’re gonna talk about King’s villains, then you gotta talk about Randall Flagg.

[@in4mus85]

The first IT remake was so much better than part 2. The bathroom scene took about a year off my lifespan lol

[@oooh19]

IT had a lot of bathroom 🚽 scenes

[@judgedude3619]

I would like to see Bullseye from Daredevil, especially his interpretation in the Frank Miller comics

[@john.doe.845]

Need more comic villains on here like Kingpin, Green Goblin, Magneto and others

[@BJ52091]

@@john.doe.845 Best comic villain wouold be Doctor Doom, as he is arguably the most complex villain in the Marvel universe (comics only, that is, Earth 616. The movie versions were trash).

[@john.doe.845]

@@BJ52091 of course

[@themetalone7739]

The remake really makes me wonder what the original, and Tim Curry, could've done if they hadn't been handicapped by trying to avoid an R rating. The Bill Skarsgård Pennywise looked too sinister, though I'd lay the blame on the make-up and costume designers...like who the hell believes ol' Georgie wouldn't have immediately run away after he first saw IT, in the remake?

[@8thhousemoonrabbit205]

The creature also cast illusions and could exert, a kind of mind control- it's suggested in the book, very clearly that alot of the senseless violence that takes place, in Derry is because of the evil influence of IT, like passive feeding/snacks. It can project fear but also comfort and maybe, not as well.

[@medaman15able]

Tim Curry’s Pennywise got that talkative immature side of Pennywise down really nicely. While Bill Skars’s got that overwhelming power and menacing down pat.

[@kin4386]

What I personally like is Bill Skarsgard's theory on what Pennywise's real motivations were in the second, and maybe a little in the first film. IT is a being who's never known competition or rivalry. She's never had an "Opponent", someone who could resist her illusions and fight back against her with bravery. That's the reason she still came back to entice the Loser's into coming back and battling with her again. It's not for revenge, it's to feel that thrill again. That excitement. The feeling of experiencing exactly what she's been doing to others. For the first time in her long, long existence, she felt true fear. And instead of discouraging her, it excited her. She wanted more.

[@digifreak90]

An interesting theory, but it doesn't really fit when you take into account the full lore, not shown in the movies or mini-series. In the books, it's revealed/explained that there is an equal and opposite being to IT. An extradimensional turtle named Maturin, which IT feared.

[@kin4386]

@@digifreak90 Oh I know about that, but this is a different interpretation.

[@nachocheese3216]

The way you work "Hello everyone" into the intro of some of these are always great but this one was by far my favorite

[@Hedgehog3342]

Not gonna lie IT is one of my favorite villains. It's a cosmic horror type of entity and it makes difficult to kill it.

[@Guitargod021]

Pennywise definitely was what scared me when I was a little kid. But I almost think an even scarier clown now is the one from that movie the terrifier. He never made a single sound. Acted all through facial expressions. Just haunting.

[@fredrikcarlstedt393]

Bill Skarsgård : Pennywise . Stellan Skarsgård : Baron Vladimr Harkonnen . Evil is one big happy family .

[@sapphirejade5029]

I remember my mom reading the book when she was younger. She was TERRIFIED of anything that made a sound while she was reading it. Years later, she's terrified of clowns.🤣😅

[@aollol6679]

Just finished watching the entire Harry Potter franchise, would love to see an Analyzing Evil episode on Voldemort! Love the series! Keep up the work

[@RiniDiamandis]

pls do Frollo from The Hunchback of Notre Dame, it's not a horror film, but a disney film and one of the darkest and definitely my favourite!! I'd love to see your analysis of him!!

[@m3rrys0ngstr3ss]

I know there's still more info to come whenever we have the next season of The Mandalorian, but I'd love to see an analysis of Moff Gideon from that show. He just projects such sophistication, and really Giancarlo Esposito can do no wrong in my book.

[@skfjso9034]

Basically, those from hellish dimensions can't survive without human energy. You get that many ways; Humor, terror, sexuality, music, etc. It's a shitload of people even from other planets around here collectively fucking with folks in the matrix. Good ways, but a lot of bad ways. A soul or not, it's in the eyes...

[@supercolorful5878]

You nailed it

[@dontdiscriminatehateeveryo9263]

To all by 80s and 90s kids which version is better, 1990 or 2017? I love Curry as Pennywise bc the fact that he looks like a normal circus clown until you get to close but Bill's Pennywise is scary af no matter what. The 90s has a special place in my nostalgic heart.

[@kaumealexander9581]

Funny thing is meat usually taste worst when you scare before you kill it. It must have some weird taste buds.

[@Jspore-ip5rk]

Albert Fish( do not look him up) is scarier than anything anyone could possibly imagine. An excellent template for designing all sorts of evil characters.

[@reecewarrenmarshall3760]

Quite possibly the most evil cruel and sadistic human to ever exist (that is known at least, who knows what kind of conscienceless monsters have existed that have gotten away with their crimes).

[@Jspore-ip5rk]

@@reecewarrenmarshall3760 And that my friend is even more terrifying.

[@davidtatro7457]

S.K. certainly used Fish as a model, and even as a character in one of his stories.

[@hellb6y]

@@davidtatro7457 which story

[@davidtatro7457]

@@hellb6y l don't remember, but it is someplace in the intersection of the Talisman, Hearts in Atlantis, and Dark Tower.

[@nighttime-mime]

Alejandro Gillick from Sicario. Such a memorable performance by Benicio Del Toro, what an intimidating character

[@brendanreynolds239]

Watching Tombstone and thought Johnny Ringo would be a great one to analyze with the phenomenal performance by Michael Biehn. Al thought being based on a real person kind of makes it difficult to do so. Love this series though!!!

[@TheDreadMan]

I'd like to thank pennywise for amplifying people's fear of clowns for the last 2-3 decades 🤡. Sure you heard of kids being afraid of clowns back in the day but not so much before the "It" films

[@admiralleel6604]

(0:11) Pennywise is so engulfed by the dark side of the force, that it caused a physical change in form of sith eyes. Truly evil.

[@insuchaway]

Pennytine. Palpawise. 🤔

[@erricro3198]

i love how every time a video begins, you wait to start speaking when the character on screen starts to speak.

[@cum__3029]

I have so much love for this channel and it’s incredible upload schedule

[@damianstarks3338]

Fucking A yes this is a beyond perfect being to be analyzing on Halloween plus he beyond deserves to be on this channel !

[@666catanist]

Suggestion: The ship from Event Horizon or Weir although I would argue the ship itself is the main antagonist.

[@Ignirium]

omg, that movie scared the absolute shit out of me! I Hate that movie lol. It was only because i thought Hell was real at the time, i don't now for very obvious reasons so that movie isn't scary yet i can still remember the dread and impending eternal torture that Hell actually inspires people to feel. It's so cruel and reprehensible to use Hell to threaten people and convincing people (mainly children) it's real! especially since I'm an empathic person that dumb belief caused me so much real pain to struggle with.

[@JohnDoe-wb6vl]

@@Ignirium obvious reasons such as what? I'm genuinely curious

[@Ignirium]

@@JohnDoe-wb6vl Reasons for Hell not existing? aside from the Bible as a source, Judaism that existed before Christianity did not have a concept of Hell in it's belief system until the Persians came to their civilization. "Religious syncretism" occurred when the Persians Zoroastrian beliefs came into contact with Judaism, Judaism incorporated Zorosastrian beliefs into its own and created Christianity. It's so clear and simple and human. Zoroastrianism had beliefs of a fire that would run through all of existence wiping it all out(paraphrase), and of judgement after death, and morality. none of those existed in pre christian Judaism, it all occurred when the Persians arrived. Zoroastrianism is actually very interesting to learn about, once i heard about it, learned and factored in that Persians took over the total area where the Jews lived and the fact that Religious syncretism is absolutely true(stories syncretise all the time through history, Disney updated old tales, all cultures do it, movies do it, literature does it) it makes perfect obvious Human sense that ideas from somewhere else merged with someone elses collection of ideas and made new ideas, stronger ideas.

[@t-shirtedhistorian]

The first known clowns date from the time of the Fifth dynasty of Egypt, around 2400 BC. Later civilizations also knew about clowns. Early clowns were also priests and their roles were almost indivisible.

[@V4Now]

Pennywise is too scary in the Skarsgard movie, by that I mean I believe Tim Curry could trick kids into his grasp. He actually looked like a clown.

[@PlanetZoidstar]

Same, I don't see why ANY kid would approach Skarsgard's Pennywise, he comes across as too creepy even at the best of times. Curry's Pennywise can at least pretend to be friendly.

[@ladyofnoxus6733]

Oh I didn't even notice that the intro was fully cut off. Love it! ❤

[@meganvanderlinden6755]

I always enjoy your analysis! I'm no vegetarian, but this gave me pause. There are definitely ways humans can mistreat animals in order to improve our culinary experience. Foie gras comes to mind, though I've read methods are less harsh nowadays.

[@ebrose9652]

I was thinking the same thing. What stuck out to me was the line “however at some point this creature realized if it instilled utter terror into its prey it could make its food taste better…” Also, I am no vegetarian but there are animals I stopped eating after hearing the ways they are treated in order to enhance their flavor. This comparison really stuck with me.

[@WiFiDown37811]

I was just waiting to see Pennywise on here and its fitting that he shows up on Halloween. This was an exciting episode

[@Ignirium]

Johan Liebert from Monster is an exceptional representation of what evil human beings are capable of

[@vinson75]

Tim Curry’s Pennywise absolutely haunted me as a kid.

[@siencemoveterra8850]

Analyzing Evil: Homelander from The Boys

[@mustardsauce1418]

Just the idea of it being like an animal to evolve itself to be evil for its food is such a cool concept

[@我主也]

Stephen Curry! the author-actor combination man this world needs!

[@bobbysalkeld2634]

I really enjoyed in the book when the perspective changes to It's and you get a sneak peak into the mind of this foreign, utterly alien, timeless, malicious, insidious evil that stalks the land.

[@chrischeckerslara3441]

Thank you once again for covering one my favorite antagonist Vile Eye. Have a Happy Halloween Ya'll!

[@ZergrushEddie]

If Pennywise appeared as a clown to draw in kids because "it is a harmless circus clown", what would a modern day IT look like? Clowns are out of vogue with kids because of IT and Mr. Gacy so maybe a Minion would be better in 21st century? What else could IT look like to draw in victims?

[@Den.Vos.Reynaerde]

Pewdiepie?

[@tearupnationinc.7199]

To Be Honest Freddy Kruger was the original Fear eater 1984 pennywise was made later.

[@stvinney]

Hes absolutely evil He does seem to need to feed It's no doubt instinctual except he takes pleasure in causing terror

[@DJTXD123]

Pennywise didn't really scare me, i dont find anything i could overpower that scary, thats why jason / mike myers are scary because they're about 6"5

[@TheZombieburner]

Pennywise was superhuman strength, so I doubt even the strongest human could physically best it.

[@DJTXD123]

@@TheZombieburner but looking at him you wouldn't feel scared or intimidated, unless your a kid which i guess is the point of the films

[@owenmahan2854]

@@DJTXD123 I mean be honest if you saw him while you’re alone at night you’d be frozen with fear….

[@jkeegan154]

I also want to recommend Dennis Peck from Internal Affairs (1990)(the Richard Gere character). He was up there with the level of evil and corruption that Denzel Washington in Training Day had.

[@thingusbingus8181]

Could you do Toecutter from the original Mad Max? I think he's the most underrated villain of the series

[@Allthetube01]

“Deliciously” analyzed.

[@chasehedges6775]

💯💯💯💯

[@herrtituswinslow4717]

The "Hello everyone" trope will never not make me laugh

[@TomorrowWeLive]

I was so disappointed the left all the cosmic space stuff out of both adaptations. It was by far my favourite part of the book.

[@dankirslis5279]

More villains I'd like to see on your show... Koba from the Planet of the Apes trilogy Sauron from The Lord of the Rings trilogy Thanos from MCU

[@halo3boy1]

Thanos objectivley did nothing wrong

[@samrizzardi2213]

If he does Koba, he ought to include material from "Dawn of the Planet of the Apes: Firestorm" novel.

[@lopirobinson1991]

The spider wasn't its true form, it was the closest thing to its true form the Losers could comprehend.

[@codeinecowboy8607]

If Pennywise is evil, would the Predator be considered evil? It’d be cool to hear your perspective on the one from the original 1987 film

[@rafaelcampozana]

The most terrifying aspect of It is that Pennywise is the least evil creature among the villains in the book (I haven’t watched any movie) Henry is a psychopathic bully who almost killed a kid for absolutely no reason, Bev’s dad is Bev’s dad and there’s also Henry’s dad and Bev’s husband before she went back to Derry. It’s truly a story about evil and malice.