Analyzing Evil: Sauron From The Tolkien Legendarium

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The Vile Eye

The Vile Eye

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@CrimzinEclipse2010
@CrimzinEclipse2010 10 ай бұрын
The most fascinating thing about Sauron is, despite how genuinely evil he was, you could easily see how his minions could realistically admire him and view him as the hero of the story: A devoted servant of Morgoth who never tried to usurp his master. A genuinely skilled and genius craftsman. A champion who fought against the men and elves who would eradicate the orcs from Middle Earth if they could. A meritocratic ruler who actually rewarded his most effective and gifted servants with greater status and prestige(such as the Witch King and the Mouth of Sauron). And a war general who was willing to fight directly alongside his soldiers during the War of the Last Alliance.
@elmermedina1713
@elmermedina1713 10 ай бұрын
I'm sure deep down Sauron would've wanted to overthrow Morgoth but knew that he couldn't due to being far weaker.
@skoomaaddict1010
@skoomaaddict1010 10 ай бұрын
Good guy Sauron?
@CrimzinEclipse2010
@CrimzinEclipse2010 10 ай бұрын
@@skoomaaddict1010 Lol
@hyperion3145
@hyperion3145 10 ай бұрын
Sauron unironically being better than most CEOs
@joesplace2960
@joesplace2960 10 ай бұрын
Sauron for president?
@daniell1483
@daniell1483 10 ай бұрын
What I like best about Sauron is that he is genuinely gifted as a character. Smart, powerful, and keenly aware of psychology and behavior, he really should have won the War of the Ring if it wasn't for his pride and hubris. He could never fathom that someone may destroy the One Ring instead of trying to use it. This says a lot about the nature of evil. Evil is always wanting more and never accepting less.
@lisboah
@lisboah 10 ай бұрын
Well, to be fair, he was right. No one was capable of destroying the Ring willingly. Eru had to intervene and make the Ring fall into the volcano. After all of Gandalf's planning and gambits, God himself had to intervene in order for Sauron to be defeated.
@keithfilibeck2390
@keithfilibeck2390 10 ай бұрын
also he never thought there would be any being that he couldn't tempt with the ring, and he was seemingly correct.. except for one, Sam, and with that one person, among untold billions, he was undone.
@keithfilibeck2390
@keithfilibeck2390 10 ай бұрын
@@GregJamesMusic First off, "Satan, also known as Ha-satan, is not Lucifer, and is best described as God's Judge, aka he tests his creations, Lucifer himself rebelled against God and was cast as the first being to be imprisoned in Hell, and has no power on earth or otherwise, everything you think you know about this figure is colored by the far later Catholic Church and pop culture, he also is not the Serpent in the Garden of Eden either.
@hodgrix
@hodgrix 10 ай бұрын
@@lisboah yes that is correct. I think Eru would not have intervened though if Gandalf had not unwaveringly served him though. All the other Wizards seemingly failed by comparison to Gandalf
@metaljacket8128
@metaljacket8128 10 ай бұрын
Indeed
@TetsuShima
@TetsuShima 10 ай бұрын
I love the fact Sauron, despite being a pure evil being, was genuinely loyal to Morgoth and never considered surprassing him. He was not only the best Demon King, but also the best sidekik 😉
@zorz767
@zorz767 10 ай бұрын
Maybe he knew that would be really bad idea? Better to wait and let Morgoth go down by some other hand.
@cerdic6586
@cerdic6586 10 ай бұрын
Ganondorf is the best demon king.
@nickdeboer4494
@nickdeboer4494 10 ай бұрын
Obsessity in some ways inspires loyalty in its fanacity
@kiryukazuma8089
@kiryukazuma8089 10 ай бұрын
@@zorz767definitely the main reason lol, he knew Morgoth would obliterate him, and also probably respected him for that reason
@debater452
@debater452 10 ай бұрын
It was probably because Sauron knew he had no hope against Morgoth and chose to stay on his lane
@Kemot300
@Kemot300 10 ай бұрын
I like the fact that he "surrendered" to the Numenoreans and, after a few decades, messed with their minds so much they thought it was a great idea to invade the land of the gods. Sauron got hit by "ricochet" in the destruction of the island but he managed to lead the most powerful Empire at that time to ruin just by himself.
@joetheperformer
@joetheperformer 10 ай бұрын
So much better story than the Rings of Poopoo. But then again, we can’t really compare Tolkien’s work with that of Amazon’s loose fanfiction.
@rickblaine9670
@rickblaine9670 10 ай бұрын
@@joetheperformerI mean, I get where the criticism comes from, but the series hasn’t even reached the prelude to the Akallabeth yet. At least watch the actual events unfold before criticizing😂
@danieldeclue1466
@danieldeclue1466 10 ай бұрын
Actually, it only took Sauron 3 years to entirely corrupt the numenoreans
@jakobrenner2230
@jakobrenner2230 10 ай бұрын
Along with Palpatine orchestrating the fall of the Republic, Sauron causing the fall of Númenor is probably one of my most favourite feats of devilish conspiracy.
@ArkhamKnightChannel
@ArkhamKnightChannel 10 ай бұрын
Would still like to see his analysis on Heihachi Mishima from Tekken franchise
@filipvadas7602
@filipvadas7602 10 ай бұрын
What's interesting about Sauron is that, in his own twisted way, he firmly believes that he's doing the world a favor by removing everything redundant and replacing it with efficiency and order. The problem being that the things he sees as redundant being things like honor, self-sacrifice, humility, love and friendship. Its not that just that he doesn't feel them, he's phisically become incapable of understanding these concepts. He literally can't see the world and other people beyond his own perception of them. Hence why he couldn't understand Gandalf travelling Middle-Earth just helping people and spreading joy or why Radagast spent his time protecting nature.
@williamwebb580
@williamwebb580 2 ай бұрын
Or why anyone in their right mind would *ever* consider sneaking into Mordor to destroy the ring, rather than bring it to Gondor to try to use it against him.
@jimb9967
@jimb9967 10 ай бұрын
A two hour deep dive into Sauron? It’s Christmas again
@ross9867
@ross9867 10 ай бұрын
⁠@Super1866people need to see this comment
@kokayinewsome9308
@kokayinewsome9308 10 ай бұрын
I believe how beautiful these characters look. Despite how demonic they become
@Ploxtifs_OldAndDeadAccountXD
@Ploxtifs_OldAndDeadAccountXD 9 ай бұрын
This feeling is akin to not just second Christmas, but second Breakfast.
@landofalwayswinter666
@landofalwayswinter666 Ай бұрын
I wish that’s what this video was. Unfortunately it’s just 2 hours of reading from the book. Barely any analysis or discussion at all. Very odd choice, as usually this channel offers good thoughtful analysis on our favorite villains.
@MrfrogAXN
@MrfrogAXN 10 ай бұрын
Sauron just such an iconic villain in both its forms, and I just love his design so much.
@ChrisWonder2
@ChrisWonder2 10 ай бұрын
THE ORPHAN
@loganthomas2421
@loganthomas2421 10 ай бұрын
Really was a bold choice of Tolkien to have Sauron be a looming presence through Middle earth before physically appearing. Incredible villain and world building
@vksasdgaming9472
@vksasdgaming9472 10 ай бұрын
When you look at timeline of Legendarium it is the opposite. Sauron started as active henchman and then became Morgoth's successor and cunning schemer. Only after his defeat at end of Second Age he lost his physical appearance.
@srtviper2011
@srtviper2011 7 ай бұрын
Do you have iFunny?
@dllps
@dllps 3 ай бұрын
@@vksasdgaming9472 Until the Ring's destruction, he never loses his ability to take on a physical form, not even the ability to be a shapeshifter. After Akallabêth, He only lost the ability to appear beautiful and cover up his malice. What happened after his defeat in Second Age was the delay in regain physical shape. He returned around the end of the 13th century of the Third Age.
@vksasdgaming9472
@vksasdgaming9472 3 ай бұрын
@@dllps Form of blazing eye on top of Barad-dur was very hazy about physicality. If I recall right Sauron lost ability to look nice after Numenor sank and ability to take true physical form after Ring was taken from him. Then it took centuries for him to reappear and scheme on Third Age.
@dllps
@dllps 3 ай бұрын
@@vksasdgaming9472 So, the Eye of Sauron is a concept. It is used to name the means of intelligence collection that Sauron had at his disposal. Whether through his own ability as an Ainu, through instruments such as the palantír of Minas Ithil or even spies. However Gollum saw him in person, detailing that he only had four fingers on one hand. You are right that he has lost his ability to assume a beautiful form. However, he never lost the ability to take on a physical form until the destruction of the Ring, he just took time to build a new body. Gil-Galad and Elendil killed his current body at that moment, Isildur's removal of the Ring from that body greatly delayed his "reincarnation" or even his possible regeneration, in one of the letters, Tolkien argues if the Ring had not been removed of the body, that current form of Sauron would only "resurrect", since Sauron's spirit only completely left that body when it was separated from his ring.
@lisboah
@lisboah 10 ай бұрын
Sauron doesn't actually appear in the LOTR books. He only has around 8 minutes of screentime in two movie trilogies. And yet he has always been one of the most memorable villains in fiction! Happy New Year to you Vile Eye, and to all those that read this!
@NobleRaider2747
@NobleRaider2747 10 ай бұрын
So much so that a Spider-Man villain named himself after him!
@Anacronian
@Anacronian 10 ай бұрын
Sauron did appear in the books, he personally questions and tortures Gollum, Gollum later describes that: "he only has four fingers on one hand, but four is enough".
@emiliosuarez2232
@emiliosuarez2232 10 ай бұрын
Doesn't he has a "conversation" with Pippin through the pallantir? He also says like 2 lines or something
@lisboah
@lisboah 10 ай бұрын
@Anacronian@@emiliosuarez2232 But these scenes are being narrated by Gollum and Pippin respectively. Sauron never directly appears in the books, he's only mentioned.
@anatoldenevers237
@anatoldenevers237 10 ай бұрын
Wouldn't quite call that appearing though. We get a description but we don't see the scene, Sauron is never actually in scene on the page@@Anacronian
@johns1625
@johns1625 10 ай бұрын
A lesser known act of Sauron is this. In First age year 369 after the Edain first traveled West and began to settle among the Elves in Beleriand, there was a council held Among the House of Malach to discuss whether to join the Eldar in their war against Morgoth in the North. During this council, a man named Amlach, son of Imlach, appears and gives a strong and moving speech against that cause, saying to let the Orcs and Elves fight over the Northlands and that the Valar in the far West are only stories with no actual evidence. Many are moved by it and it caused a lot of trouble. But afterwards, Almach appears again claiming to not have been present at the council at all and certainly not speaking against the war efforts. Sauron is the only servant of Morgoth capable of taking the form of a man, and a specific man, and speaking so forcefully moving people with his words.
@benjaminstacy3227
@benjaminstacy3227 10 ай бұрын
I love that Sauron is a character who has had such a huge impact on his universe, yet there is never a real physical description of him, and the only illustration Tolkien ever produced of him was a water color painting of a shadow simply reaching out. Tolkien himself said “There is no such thing as pure evil, however Sauron comes the closest.” Kudos Vile Eye for this masterpiece breakdown of one of the greatest evils in the fantasy genre.
@vksasdgaming9472
@vksasdgaming9472 10 ай бұрын
Sauron was shapeshifter. At least once he appeared as giant wolf and once as one of Eldar (Annatar). No mention how he appeared to Ar-Pharazon, but it most likely was human to make him look relatable.
@aldiascholarofthefirstsin1051
@aldiascholarofthefirstsin1051 6 ай бұрын
@@vksasdgaming9472 In the silmarillion he was described as tall but not giant when he met the numenoreans, indicating that he had at least a intimidating appearance.
@vksasdgaming9472
@vksasdgaming9472 6 ай бұрын
@@aldiascholarofthefirstsin1051 As dunedain were tall and Sauron was tall to them means it might have appeared about seven and half feet tall. Which might be around Elendil's height as he was Elendil The Tall.
@danielsantiagourtado3430
@danielsantiagourtado3430 10 ай бұрын
"One ring to rule them all, one ring to find them, One ring to bring them all, and in the darkness bind them; In the Land of Mordor where the shadows lie." A forever iconic quote in an instrument belonging to one of the most iconic villains of all time. Been waiting for this since you announced it! You're the best vile!
@Morgil27
@Morgil27 10 ай бұрын
Ash nazg durbatulug Ash nazg gimbatul Ash nazg thrakatulug Agh burzum ishi krimpatul
@kiwwat4139
@kiwwat4139 9 ай бұрын
I love the fact that this is written on the ring. I can just imagine Sauron lounging in his dark fortress, thinking up an evil little poem about how smart and tricksy he is to write it on his planned instrument of world domination. It's so extra.
@aldiascholarofthefirstsin1051
@aldiascholarofthefirstsin1051 6 ай бұрын
@@kiwwat4139 Since language is literally power in this universe, maybe making a cool poem was a requirement.
@Grandtemplar305
@Grandtemplar305 6 ай бұрын
Love that quote so cool
@Stormkrow280
@Stormkrow280 9 күн бұрын
Three Rings for the Elven Kings under the sky Seven for the Dwarf Lords in their halls of stone Nine for mortal Men doomed to die One for the Dark Lord, on his dark throne, in the land of Mordor, where the shadows lie One ring to rule them all, one ring to find them, one ring to bring them all and in the darkness bind them, in the land of Mordor, where the Shadows Lie
@Boney9551
@Boney9551 10 ай бұрын
Tolkien was a master of character being told through environments, very excited to watch this all over the weekend
@zzzzz45zzzzz79
@zzzzz45zzzzz79 10 ай бұрын
Hope you enjoyed!
@MrJonbon1
@MrJonbon1 10 ай бұрын
So much creativity born out of so much personal horror and trauma. I have always wondered how different or even if the Middle Earth world would have been created if it were not for Tolkien's experiences during WW 1.
@lukasbauer8783
@lukasbauer8783 10 ай бұрын
I don't know, I always found it pretty off-putting that someone actually experienced in the hell of trenchwarfare wrote about war in the often so sanitized, indeed blatantly glorifying and romanticizing way he did. Just compare Tolkien with Sir Thomas Mallory, who hundreds of years earlier described the reality and horror of war (also from personal experience) in a gutpunching way that tolkien was either incapable of or just not interested in. Of course Mallory didn't invent a whole race of inherently evil, de-humanized mooks that just existed to give the heroes something to gloriously slaughter without a twinge of conscience.
@Isthisjoebiden
@Isthisjoebiden 10 ай бұрын
​​@@lukasbauer8783Your view is exceedingly narrow-minded. I mean, that story was already told. Are you saying that someone else's view is irrelevant simply because you would like to see it written that way? And I don't remember the heroes just wanting to kill others for the sake of with no conscience, only of necessity due to their dark nature and ruthlessness.
@JohnPopcorn06
@JohnPopcorn06 10 ай бұрын
​@@lukasbauer8783lol. Tolkien was totally anti war, his description of evil is not a excuse to validate killing and destruction.
@thereseemstobeenanerror1219
@thereseemstobeenanerror1219 10 ай бұрын
​@@lukasbauer8783 Loser
@Nafaka16
@Nafaka16 10 ай бұрын
My thinking is that he used the books as a way to reflect and get over his own war traumas. Bring it back to the Child like notion that war is a time of heroes, honor and hope, rather than the true wickedness that it actually is in reality.
@rustybuckets2143
@rustybuckets2143 10 ай бұрын
Back to the depths of Tolkien lore and I wouldn't have it any other way
@Timetravelingsoldiee
@Timetravelingsoldiee 10 ай бұрын
Sauron is the greatest fantasy villain of all time. Nothing could even approach how compelling he is.
@jakobrenner2230
@jakobrenner2230 10 ай бұрын
He honestly has much that makes him great: mystery, wit, intelligence, cunning and even a warped sense of self-righteousness. He is fascinating to me even if he truly is rotten to the core.
@williamking331
@williamking331 10 ай бұрын
Hmmmm there are others. The dark one from the wheel of time to me is pretty much on par with Sauron.
@OGP2293
@OGP2293 10 ай бұрын
Griffith>>>>>
@williamking331
@williamking331 10 ай бұрын
@@OGP2293 Him too!
@thepandasamurai228
@thepandasamurai228 10 ай бұрын
Yeah No
@TetsuShima
@TetsuShima 10 ай бұрын
*Unpopular opinion:* The Sauron of Peter Jackson's movies was pretty cool, but I much prefer how the Dark Lord is portrayed in Ralph Bakshi's animated film, in which he only appears as a shadowy figure during the opening scene, but he is still very present in the entire film through the sinister atmosphere and dialogue of the characters. There is nothing more scary than what we do not see but still we do notice
@morbius_of_krell
@morbius_of_krell 10 ай бұрын
There's a reason that's an unpopular opinion🙄
@KarmaExtonline
@KarmaExtonline 10 ай бұрын
i feel you on this, acts as a nice build up too. good point
@Ed-zp2xo
@Ed-zp2xo 10 ай бұрын
I always thought a disembodied eye chained to the top of a skyscraper was kinda silly. Especially since Sauron did have a physical form in LOTR (Gollum saw him), that of an exceptionally tall man if I recall correctly
@morbius_of_krell
@morbius_of_krell 10 ай бұрын
@@Ed-zp2xo Why do you think that is silly?
@giovanniprovost
@giovanniprovost 10 ай бұрын
I think the Peter Jackson version of Sauron was effective as hell. Terrifying and menacing introduction, letting the character's actions and lack of stage presence elude to the character's focus on being scheming and not as "badass" as he seemed when we first saw him. Having seen both representations, I understand where you are coming from, but I also feel like Peter Jackson's version holds Bakshi's in a chokehold as far as being a complete representation of his character.
@corbinmarkey466
@corbinmarkey466 10 ай бұрын
What a lucky year it's been for me to become a Lord of the Rings fan. I read the books for the first time, then watched the film trilogy (functionally for the first time), then my best friend got into it by binging all three movies in a day (extended editions no less), which we did together. I've seen so many videos on Middle Earth, and now we get to end the year with an Analyzing Evil that we've all been waiting for.
@bradenannala4085
@bradenannala4085 10 ай бұрын
Saurons complete mastery over manipulation is the most terrifying part of his story. Ive always thought that the fact he wasnt always evil makes his character that much more disturbing.
@johns1625
@johns1625 10 ай бұрын
Consider in your ranking, "He was only less evil than his master (Morgoth) in that for long he served another and not himself"
@AlecEburhard
@AlecEburhard 10 ай бұрын
Sauron’s demise was due solely to his hubris and cynicism. People often ask why Sauron didn’t guard Mount Doom during the Lord of The Rings. The answer is simply because he didn’t think he needed to. He believed the temptation of power from the Ring alone was enough to deter anyone from ever making the journey and doing it. He believed that if anyone got their hands on the Ring, that would want to use it for themselves or against him. He was so evil and cynical it never occurred to him that someone would want to destroy something that promised them power (even if it’s implied the promises are false and hollow). That’s also why Sauron was so focused on on Aragorn’s assault on the Black Gate at the end, because he assumed Aragorn had the ring at that point and was trying to weaponize it against Sauron. What’s scary though that in a way he was sort of right, Isildor refused to do it and Frodo got so close but couldn’t at the end (though to be fair, Frodo got as far as anyone could have and definitely further than Sauron imagined). Ultimately the Ring was destroyed because it worked too well where Gollum and Frodo fought over it and Gollum, in blind glee of having the precious ring, fell into fire with the ring. And that would never have happened if A) Frodo and Sam didn’t make it as far as they could, and B) Bilbo and Frodo never spared Gollum out of mercy
@thegamingpigeon3216
@thegamingpigeon3216 10 ай бұрын
The prospect, just the IDEA, that Sauron continued his streak of malice and evil over seeking forgiveness and redemption from the Ainur out of fear of Morgoth's retribution should he ever return through the Door of Night should tell you everything you need to know about just how evil and powerful and feared Morgoth was.
@david9243
@david9243 Ай бұрын
Yeah but its the same vague writing Tolkien leaves when he refuse to answer wheter Sauron was truly loyal to Morgoth or not. It could be interpreted as his way of continue Morgoths work in Arda. He refuses to submit because of pride more than anything.
@rafaelgustavo7786
@rafaelgustavo7786 10 ай бұрын
In addition to being a great reformer who would bring law and order in a scenario of cultural decay after the War of Wrath, I think Sauron saw himself as a Promethean figure who would lift Humanity out of cultural prehistory and technological ignorance: The Silmarillion says that the men of the East and South built cities of stone and had access to metallurgical knowledge. And bringing economic benefits: he proved himself a good economist in Númenor by multiplying the Island's wealth. Furthermore, he had to see himself as a deity of a great world unification: a single theocratic government, a technocratic political-economic system and a religious reformer to bring true belief through dogmatic ideas. This religious engineering reminds me (in some ways) of Gnosticism: a liberating god (Melkor) to rid rational beings of "Archons" (Valar) from a "Demiurgic monster" (Eru) who imprisoned everyone in a world of war and death. Interesting that Sauron spoke this of Melkor in the Second Age, but later he claimed to be Melkor in the Third Age.
@dxeka1994
@dxeka1994 10 ай бұрын
The thing about Sauron vs Morgoth as is put here, and especially concerning Tolkien's letter regarding the two - Sauron is worse than Morgoth in that Morgoth would have destroyed us all, and of course he is the origination of evil in that way. Sauron, however, was more than capable and willing of turning the world and universe into his domain. Turning everything to what he ordered. He didn't see the need to destroy everything simply to control it. The ultimate extrapolation of what Power is. Ergo the Ring of Power. I saw another video where someone (I genuinely can't find or remember who) went into detail about what if Sauron had won. I know there's lot of those, lol. But, his ending statement really resonated with me and I think is appropriate considering the equally long video on this channel regarding another piece of English literature from roughly the same time period. "If you want a vision of the future, imagine a boot stamping down on a human face, forever." Sauron is the ultimate despot, such as Ingsoc. I have always found that compelling to me at least. Both tales, both interpretations of evil contend with Power. Without temper, morality, or concern for anything else. Though, Sauron would have been Big Brother, and he truly would have been unkillable, without death. The most horrific of eternal despotism.
@david9243
@david9243 Ай бұрын
Yeah for free men Sauron is way worse than Morgoth and people are beginning to see that. Morgoth just wanted to destroy everything whilst Sauron enjoyed torment, enslavement and misery. Sauron would keep you just for his satisfaction of hurting you.
@busygamin652
@busygamin652 10 ай бұрын
Bro wake up. It’s almost 2024 and the video we’ve all been waiting for is here!
@littykitty040
@littykitty040 8 ай бұрын
The Tolkien episodes are some of my favorites from you. It's really clear that you love and respect the legendarium. I do wonder if you'd ever be interested in covering characters like Saruman or the Witch King of Angmar. Hell, depending on your view of him, Feanor.
@GundamnWing
@GundamnWing 10 ай бұрын
‘Mighty are the Ainur, and mightiest among them is Melkor; but that he may know, and all the Ainur, that I am Ilúvatar, those things that ye have sung, I will show them forth, that ye may see what ye have done. And thou, Melkor, shalt see that no theme may be played that hath not its uttermost source in me, nor can any alter the music in my despite. For he that attempteth this shall prove but mine instrument in the devising of things more wonderful, which he himself hath not imagined.’ This is the same conflict that arises when deistic determinism has a hand to play in the affairs of the living. Same as Griffith of Berserk, did Melkor and Sauron have any choice in their actions, when the overarching powers that be deigned it to be so, is there evil in a world devoid of free will?
@TheAncientAstronomer
@TheAncientAstronomer 10 ай бұрын
I don't think Eru Iluvatar determined their actions. Both of them choose their doings by their own accord. What Eru told them was that whatever they are going to do, good or evil, at the end it will ultimately serve his plan for the world. I would like to think that Eru can see all possible futures and outcomes of every action,from the smallest to the biggest. His creations can not. At the end of the day though I would say that it is basically impossible to understand any entity that has that kind of power and perception of the universe as a whole. Past, present and future and all of the infinite variables and probabilities.
@danielsantiagourtado3430
@danielsantiagourtado3430 10 ай бұрын
I love Tolkien! He's truly of the the GREATEST authors of all time! the world he created was such a gift that gave me countless hours of wonder! HUGE fan of him! thanks for giving him such accolades! Sauron is such an amazing character by a legendary author and one of my favorites in any medium.Thanks, Vile, and Happy New year!
@joeyk107
@joeyk107 10 ай бұрын
You probably won't see this but I think it would be interesting to analyze Miss Trunchbull from Matilda
@guilliman1990
@guilliman1990 7 ай бұрын
Up voting this so it gets recognised
@N_o196
@N_o196 10 ай бұрын
One of my most wanted villains finally covered on Analyzing Evil, and its a huge 2 hour deep dive? I must be dreaming
@DiZ_490
@DiZ_490 9 ай бұрын
The best part about being a LOTR super fan is, no matter how often the legendarium is brought up, analyzed, or discussed, I never get tired of talking or learning about it. Like Hobbits discussing family lineages. Great video, dude!
@danielsantiagourtado3430
@danielsantiagourtado3430 10 ай бұрын
Sauron is just an incredibly iconic villain in both forms! His design is LEGENDARY!❤❤❤❤❤
@hhowdy
@hhowdy 10 ай бұрын
Couldn’t agree more
@natenichols9569
@natenichols9569 10 ай бұрын
Finally someone who doesn't just characterize Sauron as "just a pure evil force that good has to overcome with no personality or motivation beyond controlling everything and everyone". Suaron was actually a complex character with motivation and personality.
@tavanium
@tavanium 10 ай бұрын
A two hour video on Sauron by our guy The Vile Eye. So glad to be subbed to you for over two years now. Thank you for continuous great content.
@petarantolovic6484
@petarantolovic6484 10 ай бұрын
This, dear Vile Eye, may be your crowning jewel. I trully wish you all the best in the following year, and I hope your passion for these videos remains strong. As a sidenote, could we be seeing Smeagol/Gollum from the same mythos?
@Avatar1977
@Avatar1977 10 ай бұрын
Smeagol isn't really a villain though
@Isthisjoebiden
@Isthisjoebiden 10 ай бұрын
​@@Avatar1977series is analyzing evil though, and there are multiple kinds. Gollum is genuine material
@landofalwayswinter666
@landofalwayswinter666 Ай бұрын
I love this channel but let’s not give him too much props for publishing a video that’s just 2 hours of reading from the books. Usually we get lots of analysis and cool insight. I’ve read the books multiple times so this was painfully boring to me. I prefer his normal videos where he gives us his own thoughts and interpretations.
@danielsantiagourtado3430
@danielsantiagourtado3430 10 ай бұрын
i honestly like the fact that he "surrendered" to the Numenoreans and, after a few decades, messed with their minds so much they thought it was a great idea to invade the land of the gods. Sauron managed to lead the most powerful Empire at that time to ruin just by himself.
@leviticusprime4904
@leviticusprime4904 10 ай бұрын
Killing and empire is easy but breaking an empire that is much more impressive
@TheAncientAstronomer
@TheAncientAstronomer 10 ай бұрын
He only managed to do that because he found fertile ground to do so. The Numenorians were already in a path of self destruction and Sauron took advantage of it.
@diegonatan6301
@diegonatan6301 10 ай бұрын
29:18 Well, to be fair to Sauron it wasn't the Valar that dealt with Numenor, it was Eru itself, I think that no one in his position would have anticipated that Eru would intervene in such direct manner...
@lisboah
@lisboah 10 ай бұрын
Sauron, in a way, was right. The Valar were pretty negligent towards Middle-Earth. The way they dealt with Morgoth's threat and the aftermath clearly showed that they never took into account all the loose ends (Sauron, the Balrogs, the dragons, etc) nor all the death that could have been avoided had they taken a more proactive stance.
@Tiphany_01
@Tiphany_01 8 ай бұрын
Listened to this on a 2 hour walk. Kept me entertained the entire time. 👍🏼👍🏼
@Stenz_Show
@Stenz_Show 10 ай бұрын
The amount of dedication and effort required to edit an upload to 2 hour long fully detailed analysis of the most evil evil ever imagined (literally the dark lord) is incredible I've been subscribed for a few years and your work is masterful. Thank you vile eye for giving us this, my nerdy autism is throughly pleased by your work and I love your channel. Keep up the good work and god speed.
@silasgroenning
@silasgroenning 9 ай бұрын
I m facinated by the distinction of sauron and morgoth, where morgoth represents chaos, and wanting to tear down, sauron is dedicated to order and craftmanship. The difference is fundamental, to see evil as one thing, yet chaos as something else.
@HarbingerOfBattle
@HarbingerOfBattle 9 ай бұрын
The difference between Sauron and Morgoth is simple. Sauron wants to rule middle earth with an iron fist and dominion over the minds of everyone in it. Morgoth wants a dead planet swallowed up in darkness. He wants to be King Nothing
@darthrage8673
@darthrage8673 10 ай бұрын
Sauron has earned a two hour long analysis. Every great villain has been model after him in one way, shape, or form. Mostly modeling after Sauron’s ability to deceive anyone and everyone. You should analyze Sauron’s most loyal servent, the Witch-King of Angmar, or his puppet, Saruman.
@arjunakorale6166
@arjunakorale6166 10 ай бұрын
I love it! You did the First & original Dark Lord (and greater evil of the two) Morgoth/Melkur a while ago and now you have done the second Dark Lord Sauron/Mairon. MANY THANKS, pal.
@TheBitingBat
@TheBitingBat 10 ай бұрын
My favorite description of Sauron comes from Tolkien himself, who says Sauron came "as near to a wholly evil will as is possible." Sauron's cruelty and will to dominate all life in the name of order was boundless, pure unadulterated evil
@zaxbitterzen2178
@zaxbitterzen2178 8 ай бұрын
Corruption often leaves us blind to the folly of our action's even as they unfold before us. Sauron already had a bit of a dogmatic and orderly aura about him even before descending to Arda, but Morgoth is the one who really set him on his path. Sauron inherently saw free will as a bit of an irritating paradox when it came to maintaining order and what he deemed "perfection". Even in today's world free will continues to perplex us to no end at any given point our greatest source of either immense suffering or inter-personal growth.
@crispybatman480
@crispybatman480 10 ай бұрын
A feature length Analyzing Evil on the greatest villain in literature? This one is going on the big tv. This is not a phone screen episode.
@dllps
@dllps 10 ай бұрын
It's a documentary.
@MrDaros89
@MrDaros89 10 ай бұрын
Aulë was such a goofball: "Hey Sauron, how about start following my teachings?" Ages later "Oops! Boy, I sure won't make that mistake again..." 5 minutes later "Hey, Sauronman, how about start following my teachings?"
@sonokawaray
@sonokawaray 10 ай бұрын
Aulë was always kind of a rule-breaker himself; let's not forget that time he created the dwarves because he got too impatient waiting for elves and humans to arrive in Middle-Earth. Of course he meant well and Iluvatar gave it the green light because of that, but I suppose it should be no surprise afterward that Aulë would attract pupils with their own ambition and willingness to take matters into their own hands.
@specialnewb9821
@specialnewb9821 6 ай бұрын
​@sonokawaray Its that power of sub-creation as Tolkien called it. Morgoth wanted it, Sauron and Saruman learned it. The power of the author to think they ARE god.
@GoongisKahn
@GoongisKahn 10 ай бұрын
I always loved that the origin of evil (Morgoth) in tolkiens universe was Morgoth not wanting to play along to Iluvatars music. It’s like they were kids in a band class and everyone else was following along with the teacher but then Morgoth the problem kid started smacking the shit out of the drums just because he could. It also makes me imagine Morgoth and Sauron were the two metalhead outcasts who would listen to Gwar in the corner while the other gods were socializing lol.
@masamune2984
@masamune2984 10 ай бұрын
It’s always interesting to me that, in a way, Sauron didn’t MEAN to be evil. After all, even according to Tolkien, he wished the best for Middle Earth, and felt the Valar and Eru had abandoned Middle Earth, and simply wished to control things to an almost OCD level to make things “right.” Bit through control, he needed power, and through that power, he was corrupted and fell into pure evil.
@colindunnigan8621
@colindunnigan8621 9 ай бұрын
The burning of the gardens of the Ent-wives may also be attributed to Sauron, or, at least I've seen it mentioned in some other JRRT videos.
@doravee
@doravee 8 ай бұрын
WOW! Amazing work! TBH, Sauron has always been fascinating to me and one of my favorite villains. Impactful too.
@whynot1548
@whynot1548 7 ай бұрын
Sauron is probably one of the most underrated literary villains out there. It's annoying how many people either diss him as a one dimensional villain or deliberately misinterpret who he is
@david9243
@david9243 Ай бұрын
And yet everything evil that has been made are influenced by him 😂
@carlborneke8641
@carlborneke8641 10 ай бұрын
I can never listen to Tolkien lore too many times. It will always be some of my favorite stories.
@FuzzballStudios
@FuzzballStudios 8 ай бұрын
Bit of a nitpick: the word “maiar” is a mass noun, so it can’t be used in the singular. Grammatically speaking, you’d have to say “one of the maiar” if you’re talking about only one. It’s like having to say “a kernel of corn.”
@joshuapatrick682
@joshuapatrick682 10 ай бұрын
As a fellow Tolkien scholar I applaud this take. I for one hated the “disembodied eye” concept they used in the films.
@andrewemerson6077
@andrewemerson6077 10 ай бұрын
YESSS! My second favorite villain of all time! Fantastic research was put into this video and I'm excited for new episodes to come next year. Could a potential episode be on Gollum/Smeagol from the Legendarium as well?
@benderthepirate
@benderthepirate 10 ай бұрын
That’s a wrap! The Big Three Dark Lords of fiction: Sauron, Voldemort and Darth Sidious! Excellent work!
@justinayers3589
@justinayers3589 10 ай бұрын
Sauron: took over the world Sheev: took over the galaxy Voldemort: beaten by some high schoolers, never took over anything
@dllps
@dllps 10 ай бұрын
⁠@@justinayers3589 Voldemort took over the United Kingdom. For a few months.
@crim1188
@crim1188 10 ай бұрын
Sidious is a meme more than anything, it was Vader who actually had the presence of a dark lord in OT. Even then I'd never put him next to Sauron. Nevermind the fucking clown of a character that Voldemort. The ONLY thing they share is popularity, and even then only Vader and Sauron can claim significant cultural impact
@dllps
@dllps 10 ай бұрын
@@crim1188 I think Sidious was interesting, the emperor of the galaxy looking like a deformed satanic cultist granny with yellow eyes. Clarifying once and for all that the Galactic Empire was not just evil, but metaphysically evil. The Emperor was like a cultist who used a government institution to implement his agenda. But yes, Vader has had a much greater cultural impact than any other Star Wars character.
@mriganabhkashyap1564
@mriganabhkashyap1564 10 ай бұрын
You are forgetting Darkseid and Morgoth
@blakehasadoggo
@blakehasadoggo 10 ай бұрын
I like Sauron cuz you barely ever see him in the movies and hardly read a first person or second person perspective of him in the books. But his presence is always there. That is such a cool and well written villain.
@cerdic6586
@cerdic6586 10 ай бұрын
Sauron's entrance in the Fellowship of the Ring was terrifying as a quivering 8 year old.
@akeelyaqub2538
@akeelyaqub2538 9 ай бұрын
Morgoth is weirdly similar to AM from i have no mouth and i must scream. AM is enraged that he can never truly do anything of substance with his vast power to affect the universe. Melkor is almost identical in his rage, angry that he has no true power over creation, the universe and arda. Melkors rage extends into never truly being able to destroy a world and universe that he despises, simply because it doesnt belong to him.
@thatguyinyourcommentsectio182
@thatguyinyourcommentsectio182 10 ай бұрын
Having a 2 hour long video about Sauron to end the year is honestly something I didn’t know I needed! Well done!
@danielsantiagourtado3430
@danielsantiagourtado3430 10 ай бұрын
"Hello everyone" Your intro is simply iconic and i know i'm in for a great time each time i hear it and this one was PEAK! Wish you all the best next year!
@blueninion
@blueninion 10 ай бұрын
i recommend Jadis the White Witch from the chronicles of Narnia.
@lorierush6561
@lorierush6561 3 ай бұрын
Yes please 🙏🥺
@kylegivens3120
@kylegivens3120 10 ай бұрын
Morgoth and Sauron, the two best bad guys of the Legendarium.
@danielfosco8426
@danielfosco8426 5 ай бұрын
Thank you for My morning drive To Work and ride home You literally make it like story time
@eshedyson6458
@eshedyson6458 10 ай бұрын
You have outdone yourself with this upload! What a great telling of the story of the evil of Sauron!
@danielsantiagourtado3430
@danielsantiagourtado3430 10 ай бұрын
A plus 2 hour video on Sauron?! Will enjoy this masterpiece so much vile! Thanks For this!🎉🎉🎉🎉❤❤❤❤
@thewolfmanhulk2927
@thewolfmanhulk2927 10 ай бұрын
Thank you for reading texts in your videos. Reading and books and such the lifeline of existence, and I am always grateful to you for doing it. Thank you
@harryglover8350
@harryglover8350 10 ай бұрын
Been looking forward to this for ages since you mentioned it was coming! And 2+hours! Thanks so much
@LordWyatt
@LordWyatt 10 ай бұрын
I’m glad you read from the books directly. JR Tolkien has such a poetic way of writing even before the poetry is shown itself.
@Areulder91
@Areulder91 10 ай бұрын
The long awaited Vile Eye video essay, I'm lucky to have lived to see it.
@eternalhistory4706
@eternalhistory4706 10 ай бұрын
We honestly need one for Gollum as he is not a purely evil being, but a broken individual that suffered the cursed effects of the one ring, but also was perhaps broken from the beginning, being selfish yet selfless. And having two personalities, both of them being ambiguous
@dllps
@dllps 10 ай бұрын
I see Sauron as something special to Tolkien. Something that is personal to him. Furthermore, Sauron's mindset is Power = Rights, Blind Hierarchy = Perfection, Order = Control, Efficiency = Better. Tolkien actually managed to create a non-human antagonist that actually thinks as something non-human. He also has no desire and appreciation for the beautiful. He is not interested in Lúthein other than knowing that Melian would suffer if she were captured by him. He is not interested in the Silmarilli because they have no use in subduing the will of others. However, he is amazed and even admires the architecture and might of Númenor, as it represented power, greatness and order.
@specialnewb9821
@specialnewb9821 6 ай бұрын
I find it pretty interesting that Morgoth's self actualization is what drew him
@dllps
@dllps 6 ай бұрын
@@specialnewb9821 I wouldn't say it's because of that. Sauron respects power above all else, so much that he took Eru's side in the Ainulindalë against Melkor's dissonances. When Mairon entered Ëa and saw that Melkor was the greatest power, he simply found natural to follow him. Sauron has no problem serving beings more powerful than himself. What led him to deny the Valar, this is entirely my opinion, was more of a disappointment like "you have so much power and yet you don't use it." Sauron does not understand that just because someone has power, that does not give them the right to use it, for him, if you have power, you *must use* everything, as this is the natural order of things. That's why I commented that the basis of Sauron's mentality is Power = Rights. I would say that what attracted Mairon most was Melkor's action of not being afraid to use his power to impose his vision. I don't believe that Melkor actively and specifically corrupted Sauron, I believe that Sauron chose, more than any other servant of Melkor, to join him.
@handlessuck777
@handlessuck777 2 ай бұрын
There are lots of humans that are just like that.
@Smug_Adam69
@Smug_Adam69 10 ай бұрын
Three rings for the elven kings under the sky Seven for the dwarfs lord in their halls of stone Nine for mortal men doomed to die
@lisboah
@lisboah 10 ай бұрын
One for the Dark Lord on his dark throne In the Land of Mordor where the Shadows lie.
@michaelsavage7884
@michaelsavage7884 10 ай бұрын
Awesome vile eye is doing Sauron. Tolkien is dear to my heart too dude. Awesome to see this.
@Jejejjejr
@Jejejjejr 10 ай бұрын
Characters you should analyze next: Noodles from Once upon a time in America, Wilford from Snowpiercer, Errol Childress from True Detective, Jesse James from The Assassination of Jesse James, Muse from Captain Philips, Neil McCauley from Heat
@victorcippitelli2242
@victorcippitelli2242 10 ай бұрын
A two hour video all about Sauron, for real??? I will enjoy this beauty of video a lot
@rustybuckets2143
@rustybuckets2143 10 ай бұрын
Have you thought of doing a sister series about great heroes? I think that way you could talk even more about Tolkien's characters
@breeeegs
@breeeegs 10 ай бұрын
The Noble Eye
@PlazDreamweaver
@PlazDreamweaver 10 ай бұрын
​@@breeeegsThe Valiant Eye
@breeeegs
@breeeegs 10 ай бұрын
@@PlazDreamweaver The Kool Eye *snaps fingers while wearing beatnik hat*
@mr.j3rs3y
@mr.j3rs3y 10 ай бұрын
The Pure Eye
@MortonFMurphy
@MortonFMurphy 10 ай бұрын
I wanted to say thanks, as this video helped give me the gumption and solid enough ground to (try) read(ing) The Silmarillion (again). I'm finding it much easier to digest with the context given here and in the Morgoth video. Your dedication to your work is astounding. Thank you again.
@grimtea1715
@grimtea1715 10 ай бұрын
AE: Todd Alquist AE: Matsuhiro Watanabe AE: Frieza AE: Eric Cartman
@BCrusher61
@BCrusher61 10 ай бұрын
I literally just randomly wanted to know more about sauron lore and saw my fav youtuber uploaded 30 mins ago. Let’s gooo
@MorgothZEone
@MorgothZEone 6 ай бұрын
One thing you didn’t mention, is that it’s implied Sauron killed the Entwives, depriving an entire species of their ability to reproduce and also their… well, wives.
@wolfmoe7398
@wolfmoe7398 10 ай бұрын
Holy shit my man, what did we do to deserve 2 straight hours of the vile eyes gaze. I bow before your majesty and magnificence
@mp7146
@mp7146 9 ай бұрын
As a tolkien "superfan" since age 12 (basically the silmarillion was one of the rare books i genuinely enjoyed) Im so glad to see your videos on Melkor & Sauron, who were as a kid my favorite parts of the story (yeah yeah the bad guys) and seeing someone talking about and sharing these stories again brings me back to my passion of his works... and also the disgrace the latest show was
@MasterFlores35
@MasterFlores35 10 ай бұрын
Yes !! Finally !! What a way to end the year for your channel Vile 🙌🏼 Be blessed and Happy New Year, thank you for all of the hard work you do to provide top vids 🤙🏼🙏🏼💪🏼
@remedy-1879
@remedy-1879 10 ай бұрын
I haven’t watch’s it yet. But I’m pleasantly surprised to get a vile eye on Sauron right before new years. Book marked and saved.
@Joseph_Drew_III
@Joseph_Drew_III 10 ай бұрын
A mere suggestion: You’ve covered MCU villains in the past, but I’d be much more interested in seeing videos analyzing their 616 counterparts. This could also allow you to expand your scope to the likes of Annihilus, Onslaught, and Immortus.
@Hamokk
@Hamokk 10 ай бұрын
The perfect New Year's gift! ❤ As a fellow Tolkien lover this narrated deep lore is like beautiful music.
@marcusblackwell2372
@marcusblackwell2372 10 ай бұрын
Sauron was the brains and Melkor was the brawn
@JohnPopcorn06
@JohnPopcorn06 10 ай бұрын
Sauron was just a servant. Morgoth was much more powerful (not only in strength but intellect too)
@valaraukar_595
@valaraukar_595 10 ай бұрын
Sauron was a learner in those days
@username.exenotfound2943
@username.exenotfound2943 10 ай бұрын
@@JohnPopcorn06 i thought it was morgoth using brute force in his battles while sauron was more tactical
@raymcgeough6572
@raymcgeough6572 10 ай бұрын
@@username.exenotfound2943a kinda weird way to look at it is, Melkor is MCU Thor and Sauron is MCU Loki… Sauron is great at what he does and would probably be more cunning but Melkor is the more powerful between the two hands down
@proudsaiyanprince2651
@proudsaiyanprince2651 10 ай бұрын
@@raymcgeough6572terrible comparison
@aSUGAaddiction
@aSUGAaddiction 10 ай бұрын
Im moving and this is the perfect video to pack to. Thank you for your hard work on this!
@deadbrother5355
@deadbrother5355 10 ай бұрын
Vile eye be like " did i miss anything?" Na bro. Bases covered. Thank you.
@aarondemiri486
@aarondemiri486 10 ай бұрын
I am a massive Tolkien nerd got into him during uni and read both the Silmarillion and hobbit and love the series movies and tv show.
@yukiokami8380
@yukiokami8380 10 ай бұрын
The reapers from mass effect or the harbinger to be specific. Loved this one!
@hhowdy
@hhowdy 10 ай бұрын
2 hour video on a commentary KZbinr I like about my favorite villain of all time gonna enjoy this one
@draco_1876
@draco_1876 10 ай бұрын
Sauron is like the Darth Vader or Dr Doom of fantasy villains. He’s just so iconic.
@carlzombie6722
@carlzombie6722 10 ай бұрын
Awesome story n I love the sound of your voice it's the cure for my insomnia! Appreciate you very much my guy 🙏
@danielsantiagourtado3430
@danielsantiagourtado3430 10 ай бұрын
Love your videos vile! HUGE fan of your work! Wish You a happy new year!
@The_Idea_Incarnate
@The_Idea_Incarnate 10 ай бұрын
I'm actually re-reading the Lord of the Rings trilogy right now. About half way done but still plenty more to go. And I agree that people should definitely read the trilogy of books. Gives u the full experience that is Lord of the Rings!
@gilbertporter4992
@gilbertporter4992 10 ай бұрын
Good to see! Wow, Sauron's episode is longer than Morgoth's!
@IronDragon-2143
@IronDragon-2143 10 ай бұрын
I've been waiting eagerly for this episode!
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