Analyzing Jason's MBMMLLC Gold Ore

[@GickelsGaming]

Love that people are buying his ore! Mt Baker White Lightning!!! absolutely fond of his channel and was really curious to see the results!

[@gorillagoldhunters]

You my friend are one smart man.. wow. Really well presented. Science channel!!!

[@slickwillie9526]

Nice video. I like watching Jason's video as he takes the process from the mine to the final stage.

[@orophilia]

Yeah, me too!

[@jimc7991]

I was out yesterday busting up some of those rocks, I should have looked a lot closer at them. I'll have to go back & take a closer look. Great video.

[@thisoldminewithlars5324]

Your math is superb. Even I understood it. Thank you.

[@orophilia]

Thanks, Lars.

[@toothpickmining]

First time viewing one of your videos and know nothing yet of this kind of process but that handwriting is something I could only dream of haha. Good video man, a very fluent way to inspire people to understand new things.

[@rockbutcher]

As a Geochemist with 33 years of experience in the field, I have to say I like your procedural processes, keeping track of everything. Now I'll give you two bits of advice. The moment you introduce the word "pan" into the concentration process, you are shooting yourself in the foot when it comes to fine gold and second, bismuth requires lower temps in the cupellation oven which creates other issues with the digestion of the various oxides. There is a reason that every ISO qualified assay lab in the world uses lead as a collector metal. Best of luck from a new subscriber! *Edit You have got to get yourself a riffle splitter. All that mixing and dividing with a sheet of brass...Just shovel it in. They are hard to find. Mine are hand made.

[@orophilia]

Hi Rockbutcher. Yes, at the moment I've abandoned Bismuth because I can't get it to work reliably at any cupellation temperature. I agree with you about panning; I can't get consistent results to the accuracy that I'm looking for. Thanks for the comments, very useful.

[@rockbutcher]

@@orophilia Thanks. The QA/QC thing is a rabbit hole that will swallow you whole. I've been down it several times and every time the result is, "Trust your lab." LOL That stuff from Jason looks to be mostly fine gold, so a statistical split of say a 1kg sample to a 30 or 50g charge should give you a pretty accurate result. Three runs of the same mass of the same sample will tighten up your result. My problem is that a lot of the lode gold that I'm involved with can be quite coarse, which means that even when split well, the fraction that gets pulverised and fired may not contain the one or two 'nuggets' that are present in the sample. Then we have to re-split the crush and re-pulverise another until we get a result. This is why I have no hair left!🤣

[@orophilia]

@@rockbutcher It took me at least a year to really understand the nugget effect. Yes, it will drive you crazy chasing phantoms.

[@d0pomein]

Wow. This was very informational. Lots of techniques to assay and analyze with a very basic setup.

[@cmb999]

By far best video ive seen. Very detailed, straight to the point. Covered more in 5 min than most do in a half hour. Thank you.

[@kahnfu-zhin8627]

Thank you for doing all of this meticulous research. Your patience and determination are evident, and it pleases me to see it focused on a young man’s efforts whom I admire very very much.

[@Rennrogue]

Nice vid. I appreciate your level of precision. Thanks!!

[@geoffdennis3518]

Thanks for the video Dave. very informative as usual.

[@orophilia]

My pleasure, Geoff.

[@stumped463]

Always impressed by your work. Thanks for the video and as always very interesting.

[@nickitoff9629]

You got a subscriber! Really impressed at your level of knowledge and attention to detail. Plus the machines/devices you make. Great video!

[@thisbymaster]

This was a really well done and well thought out video.

[@patrickjones1061]

You're very thorough. Thank you!

[@ianirwin9480]

Most of the gold from Jason's claim seems very closely associated with the sulfides in the vein. Great video 😁👍

[@OregonAuExploration]

Very interesting video, thanks for sharing!

[@bryanduchane2371]

Sounded like Darth Vader when pouring the molten material into pans...

[@Rockymountainprospector]

Awesome stuff love your videos and how you explain everything Awesome stuff thanks for sharing

[@renekeystone5571]

I enjoy this !!!! Thank you for taking the time out of your life to make these videos, I appreciate it. 😊

[@nickitoff9629]

Had to watch this again. Still curious about the Bismuth issue. Really enjoy watching you work!

[@rogerdudra178]

Greetings from the BIG SKY. Nothing better than getting a bag of rocks in the mail.

[@orophilia]

Greetings from SoCal. YEP!

[@mikew7218]

I don't see Jason as being a shady person, your comments are unnecessary and unprofessional.

[@Pitbull.Prospecting]

Lots of information that is way beyond my qualifications but great video and great info

[@f5stwista]

Hey Dave just an idea……but if you were to take some stainless steel welding rods and just welded slag onto the ends of the carabiners, it would harden it EXTREMELY hard and give a much longer life to the use of them.

[@orophilia]

Yeah, I like the idea of using hardened steel for the flail. Thanks!

[@buggsy5]

@@orophilia Use a stainless that is magnetic (some are) and you could then separate out the steel contamination from your sample with a magnet.

[@jossmaxwell00]

Very interesting video on assaying gold ore. Thanks for sharing.

[@jamesculver829]

Great testing and video, makes me think about this box of ore I got from him as well. And how to process it. I remember watching his test. And he had about 1ozt per ton. So it can definitely be wildly different per test. Or even cheery picked for what he wanted to test. Or even that one rock.

[@orophilia]

Hi James. Yes, I've got a vein that can run anywhere between 15 ppm and 90 ppm in a matter of a few inches. The nugget effect.

[@johnh8615]

Well this is fresh breath of air? You combine Jason’s cupelling and Sreetips chemical refining. I like that you can measure both styles on paper 😍

[@JohnViinalass-lc1ow]

a valuable post, clear, interesting explanations...you and sreetips are aces!...thanks for letting us into your lab...be well!

[@jeffashton3352]

I'd be interested to see if Keith Bowen's technique for fine particles and a finishing pan yielded more gold for the chemical assay. Great video. Thank you for sharing

[@orophilia]

Gold extraction is full of interesting stuff. I'll review his videos. Thx.

[@Jatslo]

If bismuth is being substituted for lead in the cupellation process, it represents a significant departure from traditional methods, as lead is typically the primary metal oxidized and absorbed into the cupel during cupellation. However, using bismuth instead of lead could be done under specific circumstances, such as when lead is unavailable or undesirable due to environmental or health concerns. When substituting bismuth for lead in the cupellation process, the optimal temperature may vary compared to traditional cupellation with lead. Bismuth has a lower melting point (271.4°C or 520.5°F) compared to lead, which melts at 327.5°C (621.5°F). However, bismuth also has a relatively high boiling point of 1560°C (2840°F). When bismuth is added to the cupellation process, it's usually in small quantities and primarily to aid in the separation of precious metals from lead. The addition of bismuth alters the properties of the lead oxide formed during cupellation, making it easier for the lead oxide to be absorbed into the cupel. However, the optimal temperature for cupellation when bismuth is used would typically fall within the same range as when it is not used, which is approximately 950°C to 1050°C (1742°F to 1922°F). Traditional smelting processes often result in environmental pollution due to the release of harmful gases such as sulfur dioxide (SO₂) into the atmosphere. To address this issue, a closed-system approach is proposed, wherein sulfide ores are roasted in the presence of excess iron(III) oxide (Fe₂O₃) eliminating the need for an external oxidizing atmosphere. The controlled atmosphere system captures gases produced during roasting, directing them to a collection chamber equipped with gas collection mechanisms. Captured gases, including sulfur dioxide, can undergo further treatment for impurity removal and recovery of valuable components. This approach offers a sustainable solution for metal extraction, minimizing environmental emissions and promoting responsible resource management in the mining industry. The proposed system draws inspiration from retort-like designs, tailored to meet the specific requirements of sulfide ore processing. Through careful design and optimization, this integrated approach holds promise for advancing environmentally friendly practices in metal extraction while meeting the growing demand for sustainable mining technologies. In the presence of excess iron(III) oxide (Fe₂O₃), sulfide ores can indeed undergo a different reaction pathway during roasting compared to traditional smelting processes. Instead of forming iron sulfide (FeS), which can be undesirable due to its potential interference with subsequent refining processes, the excess iron(III) oxide can promote a more favorable reaction. ...so maybe breaking down the sulfides as such is a good first step, and then run that through the blue bowl again, and a magnetic separator too, because the iron is still present.

[@TXTractorLife]

Was this AI?

[@JohnViinalass-lc1ow]

@@Jatslo whew!...but I understood your explanations!...top drawer, Jat!

[@Jatslo]

@@JohnViinalass-lc1ow So, in essence, bismuth acts like a chill buddy for lead, calming down its tendency to go all gassy at high temps, thereby keeping your precious metals grounded, quite literally. It's like using a heavy blanket on a restless sleeper; it keeps everything in place, ensuring that the lead does its job without sending your silver and gold on an unintended skyward journey. ~ CHEERS

[@JohnViinalass-lc1ow]

@@Jatslo go on, good one!

[@Jatslo]

@@JohnViinalass-lc1ow unless there is something specific, I pretty much said it all.

[@BillGorman]

I have a chunk of ore from Central City, CO that the guy who gave it to me said there is at least 5 oz of silver and 1/2 to 1 oz of gold.

[@buggsy5]

Maybe in a ton of ore, but not in any chunk that he could provide.

[@dennishedrick5308]

Glad u are back on!!!

[@orophilia]

Hi Dennis. Thanks. I had Covid. I don't recommend it. :-(

[@MrDalerex]

I got two bags and when the first one was just his waste and I pulled about .04 gm out of the dirt and dust waste. I am still crushing and I also got a bag of the large samples. With bags are worth the price. Have an idea I am using to crush rock to powder in just minutes. No dust

[@orophilia]

The whole process interests me, so I'm glad I used the flail mill on this.

[@MrDalerex]

@@orophilia I have a unit that Chris is it without any dust in just a few minutes and is completely portable. Working on patent

[@MrDalerex]

That was supposed to say crushes. Lol I like how much powder and how fine you get the ore. I find that I am getting more gold from the cleaner white quartz. And I crushed some nice specimens and didn't get any gold. Lots of sulfides

[@orophilia]

@@MrDalerex I'd love to hear about your crusher! I'll build one and you get the credit. :-)

[@MrDalerex]

@orophilia I am trying to patent it. If you have any ideas on how to go about it, that would help. Can't find an honest patent company. They may be honest, I'm just nervous throwing 1200 in the wind and hoping it comes back.

[@smokeyandspikeproductions]

Excellent work! Very unique recovery methods. I like your custom builds 😎

[@FreddKing-nd8fz]

Thanks for doing this video. I too purchased a couple of bags from Jasons mine. Different material. I am not through all of it yet but the e gold is so small I need a loop to see it. I don't look to get much but it is an experience doing it.

[@orophilia]

It is a good experience. I'm enjoying it and I'm glad that Jason made it available.

[@Hillbilly-Tech]

pls school me! First impression makes me think material is being wasted from crushing to pouring the molds. I see this elsewhere but when the 'over pour' into molds obviously too small to hold all of the liquid rock? Do you lose anything? How much carabiner material is included into the crushed powder? Does that matter? Just curious and first impression makes it look curious. Would this waste affect the numbers too? Thanks much! Nice video

[@orophilia]

Only the slag pours out of the mold. The heavy lead button goes right to the bottom. Yes, there's always a little metal from the mill, not much.

[@jaymortensen642]

Great video, I bought a bag of ore and I could only find a couple visible pieces but under magnification I could see more. I crushed some with a 20 ton press into a super fine powder, I started running in a blue bowl but that washed the gold away, I think it would wash threw a sluice too I bet even Jason's shaker table is loosing some. In the pan the only time I can see it is when it congregates together and I have done a second pan of some of it and still find gold this stuff is super fine. I have maybe a quarter gram in a vial of water and it has a dull brownish look not the bright gold foil look. Another observation is my bag has a allot of reddish dust where I did not see that with yours I'm thinking my bag came more from the floor of the mine than the wall because I also found a small piece of dry rotted wood with a piece of a nail in it and a couple small rocks that have pebbles stuck to them with what appears to be rusty metal. I have a second bag but only looked at the big rocks and it appears about the same as the first bag.

[@orophilia]

Yeah, Jason advertises this as "Run of the Mine", so you get what you get. My sample has a lot of sulfides in it, which is what I was hoping for.

[@WildernessMedic]

So I have a gold line in my pan that separates from the lights and sulfide. However, under the microscope it looks like it's just yellow quartz. Any idea why it would be heavier than the rest? I tried dissolving it in AR (solution did turn yellow). But stannous chloride doesn't seem to show any gold in it. I'm perplexed.

[@orophilia]

First thing is to check the SnCl2. Mine goes bad in two or three months, so I always check it before use. Are you heating the AR to dissolve the gold? I heat to ~75C and I use a couple of ml of nitric in 30 ml of HCl. Leave it for at least an hour with a reflux lid. It might help to roast the sulfides. Heat to dull red, stir and roast for 1/2 hour. Best of luck!

[@WildernessMedic]

@@orophilia That quick?? Man what a bummer. It's definitely older than that. This time I did not heat, but I did leave it overnight. The reaction still work when cold, it just takes longer right?

[@ElementofKindness]

I had the same problem cuppelling with bismuth. I just end up with microscopic balls of gold all over. I'll be sticking with using lead. Interestingly enough, my findings from a 12 kg bag of Jason's "run of the mine" ore returned a result of 7.17 grams per short ton

[@orophilia]

Thanks for the valuable comment.

[@bentationfunkiloglio]

Very interesting. I have a box of the same ore that I haven’t processed yet. Although, I did pan the sand that came with ore. Found a small amount of free mill gold. After seeing your video, might re-pan tailings and dissolve heavies in AR to check for gold (with stannous chloride test).

[@orophilia]

I'm making a new video on that subject. Extracting gold is interesting and difficult.

[@bentationfunkiloglio]

@@orophilia I have played around with extracting gold from rocks enough to appreciate how very true your comment is! It can also be extremely hazardous. Most don't understand the dangers of using AR and home made melting furnaces.

[@martinclemets2313]

In the final analysis it is the first analysis that counts. Thank you for your showing various methods, I really like bismuth, fire assaying is such an art. Yes I agree that the ore may have some platinum mineral. or iron. Do you actually need more heat for the bismuth to release the gold. Often looking at the bead if it is mossy looking I mean fuzzy it often has platinum. Color of the cupel might also give some indication. Think you are on the right track.

[@debcamp2359]

Nice experiment. We like that u like Jason.😊

[@semoneg2826]

The is awesome and very interesting..loce seeing how you ised your own small homemade equipments to get the job done.

[@paulvetter9265]

I just wondering that flour gold in panning, you crushed those rocks down to a moon dust texture wouldn't it also make the gold do the same? also looks like the gold exploded in the bismuth you could see gold specks on the rim of the crucible.

[@orophilia]

Yes, the gold was all over the cupel. I'm trying some new experiments to see if I can get better results. The gold particles were very small, so fine crushing is needed to liberate them.

[@buggsy5]

@@orophilia If using the assaying process, a fine powder is not needed. See CM Hoke's book - which has a thorough discussion of ore assaying.

[@alexdrockhound9497]

I wonder if the soft bismuth was from alloying with tellurium. In one of his recent videos he mentioned that he found out the silver sulfides in his ore were tellurium.

[@triscuitfarms]

That was awesome! Thanks for that!

[@MaksatAu.]

Всем привет! Наконец-то нашёлся достойный соперник Джейсону ))) Ждём совместное видео! Кто за ! Лайк )))

[@orophilia]

Thanks for the comment. But I'm not an opponent, just interested in the subject.

[@me5768]

In Jason‘s last video, he was having problems with the Bismuth as well. I’ve never trusted it myself I always go with the lead it always seems to work better to me.

[@alphanaut14]

How do you figure +/- 10% and 30% when your Fire Assay was 100% over your Aqua Regia Measurement? Where did the missing lead and bismuth go? Should you have used a bigger final collector basin to avoid possible escape?

[@orophilia]

Perhaps you can watch the next episode.

[@hardrockuniversity7283]

If I may ask, what is the furnace you are using?

[@orophilia]

Hi Keith. I have two homemade units. The small one I built for knife making and the larger one is/was for pottery. I use the larger one (4kW) for smelting and the smaller one (2kW) for cupelling. The bricks are the soft ones rated to 2300F. -- Dave

[@hardrockuniversity7283]

They look quite professionally done. 220V no doubt. How many amps?

[@menow7851]

Jason on MBMMLLC has old video of how he built his. Shopvac is blower and propane torch is heat. Fireproof ?wool walls. Thermometer digital beam for over 2,000°F readings.

[@hardrockuniversity7283]

Thank you. I know Jeff Williams had one also, but it was a top load

[@TolgaHan-n9z]

I'm watching your educational videos but I couldn't find the brand of the magnifiers.

[@TolgaHan-n9z]

If you mark Turkish for subtitles

[@criscris5061]

Excellent video. Good job !

[@mlkefischer6046]

You only used 1/4 of the gold in solution from aqua regia. Don't you need to multiply your results by 4 to get correct concentration?

[@orophilia]

3 drops X 4 (for dilution) = 12 drops, which is what I used in the calculation.

[@sfbfriend]

Do you have available plans for your little crusher? I like that a lot! I have bought 2 bags of Jason's muck, have separated the pieces out but looking for a way to crush without buying an expensive crusher that will not get used much. Thanks.

[@orophilia]

Here's a link to the video: kzbin.info/www/bejne/gp_Oi2eLnNCsq5I

[@sfbfriend]

@@orophilia I thank you, much appreciated

[@jacobwilson6296]

My first video of yours. Coming from Jason's channel. I got to say... you need a bigger watch :D

[@John-dp3ln]

Is Jason selling bags of tailings?

[@orophilia]

I think he sold a bag of concentrates, but I don't remember exactly.

[@buggsy5]

I believe it is all mine run ore - no tailings. But there is bound to be some country rock in the bag.

[@rogerdudra178]

Greetings from the BIG SKY of Montana. Palladium seems to be the real question to me. Is it considered a precious metal?

[@orophilia]

Yes, for sure.

[@Dalanibarza]

Hi teacher, I need your help. For the gold test, pulverizing the stone, adding hydrochloric acid, removing the liquid, adding zinc powder, and then tin chloride, is this method correct?

[@buggsy5]

No

[@tumonismarius]

Greetings from Lithuania ;) I have a note. If we calculate the volume of the gold bead as a sphere 0,4mm, then we get about 0.0335 cubic mm. The theoretical weight of this sphere of pure gold would be 0.0335×19.3=0.647 milligram. Maybe it's worth re-measuring this gold bead with a caliper or micrometer and compare the weight with the theoretically calculated one?

[@orophilia]

Yes, exactly. I cleaned up the bead in HCl and remeasured it using a digital calipers and I get 0.51 mm, which gives a weight of 1.26 mg if pure gold. The optical measurement works well under the microscope as long as good photos are taken and care is used. Very perceptive, thanks!

[@jdeluisa]

Fantastic video!

[@jancmelik6809]

Hello, it seems to me that you made a mistake in the calculation of the chemical analysis. You're missing the division of the sample under investigation, which you diluted. In the video, it's at 17:40. It should be (5.6 g/mT * 2). Am I right?

[@orophilia]

I used three drops of the standard solution to equal one quarter of the sample fluid, so 3*4 = 12 drops.

[@jancmelik6809]

@@orophilia Oops, I apologize. I overlooked that.

[@travisjochimsen5426]

I have some ore you can do another video with?

[@orophilia]

Hi Travis. Yes. Contact me at [e-mail].

[@johnramirez5032]

This is well beyound my skill level. It is neat none the less to see . At what amount of gold does it become a worth mining? 5 grams per ton. Its a difficult question to answer im sure. Just me thinking.

[@orophilia]

Yeah, depends on many factors. The price of gold being a big one.

[@johnramirez5032]

@@orophilia thanks for the reply. For me id like to see a much higher amount per ton. Possibly 1/2oz. Per ton and it would be seasonal. I dont want gold fevor. It has ruined many lives. So yes there are many factors. Have you ever dug a ton of materia. I have and its brutal work. Its can be very dangerous too. I spent 40 year in construction so im done with risking my life for a living. Now im a armchair adventurist .i do find the idea of poking around looking for gold. If its not too hard. Im 65 this year and getting older by the day. l

[@AUMINER1]

Is it possible that the AR vs assay result difference was from silver that the AR would bypass? The bead looked very gold in coloring. The bathtub type rings in the bismuth cupel is curious. If you don't cupel at the melting point of gold/silver, you won't get a melted bead - Melting point of bismuth ​(271.5 °C, ​520.7 °F) Boiling point ​(1564 °C, ​2847 °F) very odd that happened. If there was an amount of copper in either collector metal, it will pull the gold/silver into the cupel and skew your results. excellent content as usual :) keep up the great work!

[@orophilia]

Yes, the AR would bypass the Ag, but I don't think there's much Ag in the Au by the look of the bead, which is really beautiful under a microscope. I'm guessing that the panning process misses some, and the AR doesn't get all the Au in the sulfides. I've seen this many times on other ore. I don't see much copper in these samples. I'm thinking about sending some samples to a professional, and I'll keep experimenting. I don't know what's going on with the Bismuth.

[@AUMINER1]

@@orophilia From an assayer friend of mine : manganese in the Chapman flux can cause silver to stay in the slag. Chapman flux is not generally for assay.

[@orophilia]

@@AUMINER1 Yes, that's actually good in my case because I don't want Ag in the bead if I can avoid it. I'm only interested in the Au. Thanks!

[@517nickyj]

Great video and explanation! Could the metal from the carabiners be contaminating? Also could your separating specimens be affecting the concentrations in your tests due to the point you had at the end that the concentration is variable/inconsistent?

[@orophilia]

Since I took the samples from the same batch of ground and mixed ore, I think they should be quite similar. I tried to remove the iron with the HCl, but I'm not a chemist, so maybe. -- Dave

[@rightsidelanechoice7702]

Have you tried using motorcycle chain in your grinder? It might last longer and do a better job

[@orophilia]

That's a very interesting idea! I'll have to think about it.

[@maxtheyouth]

pretty cool, i have wanted to see aqua regia on jason gold for a while

[@deanhudson4404]

Hi there, I was watching the grovie gold hunter, with the same martial he only gets.2 grams witch seem not a lot, I think that with your advice he could get more than that,

[@superanimallover8446]

Pyramid Type Graphite Moulds wear did u get it from

[@orophilia]

from Amazon

[@superanimallover8446]

@@orophilia thanks for all your videos. And thanks for the information and knowledge you share with us. I hope you get 1 million subscribes. whats the link or name of the item ?

[@superanimallover8446]

@@orophilia sow u have the link for it ?

[@TerribleShmeltingAccident]

wasnt the reverse true with the last vid? with fire vs chem assay?

[@orophilia]

I always get more Au from a fire assay as long as I have well mixed and well divided material

[@bryanduchane2371]

Is that minable material in a large scale? Appears to me you had more expenses in the extraction alone than the total value if the gold produced??

[@orophilia]

That would be up to Jason to determine.

[@buggsy5]

If he can sell enough slobs showing visible gold as specimens, the mine might produce a nice income.

[@joseedelafuente7108]

excelent video, thanks dave

[@taylor-t1y]

Dress that jacknife blade my son. Good vid. Liked and subbed.

[@snoosebaum995]

can you test for tellurium , those deposits are known for it ?

[@orophilia]

I'm not a chemist. Perhaps we can learn together.

[@ericresh3268]

Could you imagine the postman's reaction to picking up that box.

[@dragon90815]

When separating mark both sides before separating.

[@nevadaminer5977]

Great video!

[@gptwisdomtalks]

Hey , is an average of 77pm of gold and 2000 ppm of silver ore is feasible for mining ?

[@orophilia]

In my opinion, yes.

[@buggsy5]

A lot of the gold obtained these days is recovered as a byproduct of mining copper or silver. 2000 ppm (if by weight) is only 2 mg ton.

[@joealyjim3029]

11.5g per ton seems low. I swear Jason said in one of his videos that he was getting 1ozt per ton which is 31g. Do you think this was purely due to the nugget effect or could there be other factors in play?

[@orophilia]

I trust Jason completely, so it could be the nugget effect. I'd do more work on this.

[@joealyjim3029]

@@orophilia fair enough, its very interesting nonetheless.

[@nunyabisnass1141]

I've commented on J's channel when there were some complaints on the price bs value/gold content and im just like wtf. If J misrepresented anything then ok, but these bags are for hobbyists to do with what they want. Not even the mining compaines are guranteed a profit for any of the work they do, so some critics need some perspective when it comes to expecting the value of the gold one can extract bersus rhe work needed and what they paid for it. That's just reality. But i am very happy to have found an independent channel to show what their reaults were. I get to pretend for a little while that i could do this, lol. If theres anything I can say about your process it's that I'm concerned about the surface area of the iron rods you put into the crucibles, but you obviously know what you're doing so my criticism doesn't mean a whole lot.

[@orophilia]

I trust Jason completely.

[@semoneg2826]

This chanel is great..we get to see more of what comes out of jasons mine and they type of recovery the smaller guy with the small equipment does.... This guy turn the ore into baby powder 😊😊

[@Jah1968-gm7wh]

Your tool improvise was nice and i'll make like that so that I can crusher any of stones😮😮😮

[@allenhammer7923]

I have had strange results with Bismuth also. I think it may have a factor because of its brittleness. and copper in it can take it into the cupel. It is fun doing it but I do find it challenging. One day I was about to give up smelting all together after 40 smelts and no positive result that night I was doing 4 cupels at the same time and God said to look and see what you have and all 4 were positive 2 where quite small and the other two were 2/3 the size of a BB so I press on. It is hard to learn a new trade with being discipled and lets face it all of it is hard work and the acids and temperatures are very dangerous mixing and boiling acids making lava is not a normal pastime for many. Sometime I wonder how I got myself into this not realizing the many dangers but I think the real goal is God refining us.

[@orophilia]

Yes, all we can do is press on.

[@robertwatson818]

3 kilograms??? How much is that really?

[@orophilia]

3 kilograms

[@buggsy5]

Or roughly 6.6 pounds.

[@AgentM3tallion]

That's a hell of a long sleeved sweater you're wearing! Cashmere? ;-D

[@kevinjames4405]

almost looked like the bismuth may have wicked up the side of the cupel possibly

[@orophilia]

Yes.

[@d.t.4523]

Thank you, keep working.

[@jeffcook8501]

The iron content could be from the carabiners breaking down as you grind it.

[@orophilia]

Yes, certainly some of that.

[@TXTractorLife]

New subscriber - great stuff!

[@PCMcGee1]

Don't use big ripples for small gold when panning, from my experience.

[@larryl43]

THANK YOU

[@menow7851]

I would dump the bag out and pinpoint metal detect it first. That whining singing sound of AU gets my heart pounding. Then the search is on with Gold Fever. Thanks for showing the chemical process to get to an actual payday.

[@akgoldbear7669]

27:21 I'm 99% sure it was Nickel 🙂

[@MADDLADO1]

Wouldn't it be funny, if Jason's gold mine turned out to be richer in Palladium ?

[@orophilia]

It's a long shot, but yes it would. I'm going to try to figure out how to make some sort of estimate of Palladium. Chemists, please help! -- Dave

[@buggsy5]

@@orophilia I think you would have to go the AR route - I believe it dissolves in the solution along with the gold. It can then be dropped out of solution - I don't recall if that is done before or after dropping out the gold. Don't go by the "density" (I think you meant transparency) of the solution. A AR to the ore sample a bit at a time, until you don't get any further bubbling or brown gas. Let it settle for a few minutes, then check a drop of the fairly clear solution with Stannous chloride. If I recall correctly, that is the test specific for gold in AR solutions. Sreetips covers the test in detail in several of his videos.

[@HMccafferty-tg7es]

He is shipping waste rock?

[@orophilia]

Not intentionally, but there was about 10% in my bag. Not much.

[@buggsy5]

No. As far as I know he is shipping mine run ore - which will almost always contain a fair amount of country rock.

[@bazy3690]

very good video.

[@MerchantMarineGuy]

You cant go straight to AR with the cons, you should remove as much iron and copper as possible with HCL first. It will screw with the stannis precip otherwise

[@orophilia]

I did three boils in HCl before the AR.

[@MerchantMarineGuy]

@@orophiliamaybe it is Pd contam then

[@buggsy5]

And the HCl will cause any silver present to interfere with the reaction. I think the best video I have seen on this is by Sreetips, where is does one of his floor sweeps recoveries. When using the wet process - treat the ore with boiling nitric acid first - which dissolves most metals except gold and, if I recall correctly, all but one of the PGMs. For those interested, he also covers PGM recoveries.

[@buggsy5]

@@orophilia If there is any silver present, you did it backwards, see my other reply to MMG's comment.

[@jaredput]

I have some magnetite silica gold ore from BC Canada. If you are interested I would gladly send some your way. The gold is visible but the high iron would be a challenge!

[@orophilia]

I'm interested, but I have other commitments for the next couple of months. Thanks for the offer.

[@jaredput]

@@orophilia no worries, the ore isn't going anywhere! If you ever have the urge for a new challenge. Take care,

[@TheRattlesnakeRanch]

May want to pull that battery before opening and putting your fingers inside... Just a suggestion

[@fleamine]

A good video, but I don't understand why, after grinding the rock to powder, you would throw it down on a canvas, I'm certain you already lost some gold by doing that.

[@orophilia]

I use the paper to mix the material in order to split the sample in an unbiased way. This technique has been used extensively.