Analyzing The 2024 Presidential Debate Fallout

[@justindalton8701]

Outta curiosity what did trump lied about? I get he is a liar but at least he's competent right? edit: I do skim and comments mention Otaku did do some example such as free border and adortion what I mean by the question was meant to be a more precise answer, regardless main concern is that trump is better then Biden so "at least he competent" was added to say "isn't he the best choice?"

[@ShortFatOtaku]

got 'em

[@lithunoisan]

@@ShortFatOtakuwhat?

[@lithunoisan]

Wait, hold on, what?

[@registan1104]

Patience is a virtue

[@papal1500]

Biden lied too, the problem was that he is too dementia ridden to tell if he genuinely doesn't remember, or if he's just lying.

[@jasonglebe3235]

Did you really use Obama's first term as a period of growth to prove Trump wrong about the economy? 2009-2012? The time after what was the worst economic downturn since the Great Depression? That's dumb, Dev

[@guardiantko3220]

It's the only thing he knows to do, gotta keep the wool pressed over his face to keep his beliefs in perspective

[@Skeemac]

The economic growth during Obama's tenure was below average. Considering the country just recovered from a massive recession, where economic growth typically explodes, this is a huge L for the Obama administration. People who point to economic growth under the Obama administration as a point in his favor are very uninformed at best.

[@Videogeek95]

@@Skeemac Not only that... But people also BLATANTLY knew that a number of Obama's actions were IMPEDING the economy's recovery...

[@alexander4089]

@@Skeemacwish Destiny would acknowledge this, he uses this argument too often.

[@BQD_Central]

DEV is engagement farming to the nth degree. We should really oust him on that.

[@oaks2745]

Not even a Trump fan but Biden’s falsehoods (amidst coherence) during this debate go far beyond just the social security bit. The difference is it’s hard to tell if he’s lying or just genuinely has no idea what he’s talking about. Also, “all the good that Biden has done”. lmao tell us you’re not from the states without telling us you’re not from the states

[@Sovek86]

Seriously. Biden has been in office for 40 years, that alone should disqualify him for president. Second, in that 40 years theres nothing to note from what he has done, and the stuff of noteworty is bad. Plagerism, lying his ass off the entire 40 years, and some of absolute RACIST shit he's done. Also.... he's fucking corrupt and we have proof of this. If it were Trump he'd be under the prison, not in it but since its Biden, he gets a pass.

[@jero37]

I honestly want to understand why Dev thinks Biden is a lesser evil. 2020 muddles everything so horrifically. I think he's talked about it a bit in various videos, but I don't remember if he's done a full rundown of what convinced him that 2020 was a legitimate election. I'm still suspicious but I'm not convinced whether there was cheating or if a lot of people who normally were apathetic made a horrible call, especially with the Hunter Laptop scandal that would have changed a lot of votes reportedly.

[@cerulee]

Canadian experts of American political history are endlessly amusing

[@joshuakim5240]

As much as SFO denies it, he does indeed have very noticeable TDS with pretty much every single symptom in full display, however unlike every other TDS ridden person, he clings onto enough rationality to prevent from completely consuming every aspect of his personality. His willingness to ignore Biden's lies, which there were just as much of as Trump's lies, while also willing to downplay Biden's lies on full display despite being similarly scaled in dishonesty to Trump's lies, shows that despite his smug claim to not have TDS...he totally 100% has TDS with this video probably being a full display of it, which he ironically thinks isn't due to how much his TDS is clouding his usually-sound judgement.

[@PyrusCreed]

He completely ignored Biden saying there had been no service deaths under his watch, which is a blatant lie or dementia moment.

[@viaferrata2769]

"The baby is basically not gonna make it." No Dev. He just said "Deformities" which could be anything, including down syndrome, which is just eugenics.

[@inkubus6192]

How Margaret Sanger of him.

[@isodoublet]

Wouldn't it be nice if the "government just stayed out" of things like domestic disputes, bar fights, or unscheduled uncontrolled demolitions of public buildings?

[@viaferrata2769]

@@isodoublet Yes.

[@yanasto]

Research from pro-abortion groups like Guttmacher institute even admit that most late abortions are not done for rape, incest, life or health of the mother, or fetal anomaly. They are most often done because the woman didn’t discover she was pregnant until late and had the same reasons early abortive women have.

[@TheRealW.S.Foster]

> He was given a week or more to prep for the debate. > He knew the questions. > He was given medications - supposedly performance-enhancing medications - prior to the debate. > There was no live audience attending the debate. > The moderators were from CNN, were pro-Biden and staunch anti-Trumpers. *And he **_still_** lost the debate.* Never have I seen a situation even vaguely similar to this backfire in such a huge way, for either political party for that matter. I'm old enough to remember comments that probably ruined election campaigns, like Mitt Romney's "47%" and Hillary's "Deplorables" comment... but that debate? Nah man, that's a first for me.

[@AllenIverson-to5uy]

It's certainly the worst performance ever.

[@chucklebouf5379]

What was his name, Howard Cain? The guy who yelled and lost a primary because of it?

[@AllenIverson-to5uy]

@@chucklebouf5379 Howard Dean. He did the Dean scream, which became a meme and killed his campaign in contrast to Trump, who memed himself to victory in 2016.

[@AJadedLizard]

@@AllenIverson-to5uy I don't really even remember that election and I still remember what a loser Howard Dean was; he made an ad where he just sat on screen on the verge of tears and whined about how people were mean to him. You want to be a Chief of State, what are you doing?

[@gryphon9507]

I'd so bad it tickles me. What was best was they prevented Trump form speaking out of turn, which he can't help doing. It was they best thing they could of done for him cause all Joe had to do was speak an prove the engine was still timed correctly. It also was so bad it makes me think it was planned. They've been holding water for Joe for years now, even though everyone who has eyes and ears knows he's declining. Now post debate they're calling for the guy to be removed from office and someone else run. It just makes me think.

[@bt636]

Dev: I am le enlightened centrist Dev: Do I need to fact check Biden? Pick one it can't be both.

[@hanyuukawaiinanodesu]

Man, when was the last time you had a disagreement with your audience that you admitted you were wrong about?

[@aurenkleige]

I have no idea; I just got here and was wondering why this guy, despite producing some rather quality content (the philosophy stuff in particular I found utterly intriguing) had such low numbers compared to similar KZbinrs. This incident really woke me up as to why.

[@forsociopoliticalstuff2629]

It’s been a while unfortunately. I shot you not, I have seen him arguing ad nauseam within reply sections of his own comments fairly regularly recently. He’s great at theoretical/philosophical analysis without a doubt, but my god is he bad with his work when facing the real thing and has a really hard time just letting things go, especially for a KZbinr as fairly well known in his sphere as he is.

[@daedalus6433]

@@forsociopoliticalstuff2629He really needs to realize there is no future in the left.

[@metamato2115]

Is Dev even capable of admitting when his wrong?

[@aurenkleige]

@@metamato2115 Based on this comments section, probably not.

[@papal1500]

The funniest part of all of this, is that Democrats are not even hiding it anymore. "Vote for the administration, not the president!" That's essentially the new chant on twitter. "I'm not voting for the puppet, I'm voting for the person pulling the Marionette strings"

[@control_the_pet_population]

Big government simps voting for big government?!? shocking I know...

[@TheOnlyPedroGameplays]

Not too bad of a thought process considering how horrible all the puppets are. You just gotta look at who’s behind them and judge whether or not they suck worse

[@TheStarMachine2000]

I have had chats with people saying that you have to vote blue if you care at all about lgbtq people. Straight up, "Blue No Matter Who," and they could not get why I wouldn't vote for a vegetable

[@jakethegreatest473]

​@@TheStarMachine2000and now the blue no matter who folk will ask you to vote for a possible chomo...he real soft on sexual crimes this Biden replacement.

[@Web720]

​@@TheStarMachine2000 Do they not realize that Vote Blue No Matter Who is the reason they got Biden?

[@phils.4719]

Hold on, your claim about Trump's claim on northham is incorrect. Northam's list of late term abortions was not just if the baby was not viable, but he also said "if there was a severe deformity". Deformity doesn't mean inviable. What the hell does that indicate then huh?

[@dergeradeweg1413]

Yea, I think this is why every one is reacting, saying that the context makes it worse.

[@Arphemius]

Severe deformity in this case would refer to viability.

[@ikengaspirit3063]

@@Arphemius The guy explicitly says they'll resusitate the infant, if the infant can be resusitated, they're viable. Its just infanticide, its just evil.

[@murderalphabetinc.5162]

​@@ArphemiusNot listed in the bill.

[@Mis73rRand0m]

Eugenics by another name.

[@jeframdenkar]

Dev got to call you out on something. The issue is the abortion clip. The ex Virginia governor say maybe a birth defect. At no poont does Northam say we will not allow healthy children to be aborted in third trimester, we will only abortions in extreme circumstances. At no point does he deny the abortion of healthy babies at the third trimester. Sorry Dev but you got that one wrong.

[@AlchemistOfNirnroot]

Have you got an example of this actually happening?

[@jamesshepard2672]

@@AlchemistOfNirnrootdoesn’t have to have happened yet. Its a slippery slope. The same slope everything has been sliding down since the 90s.

[@jeframdenkar]

@@AlchemistOfNirnroot My specific point is the former governor, never gave a clear answer on that question. Plus as Dev pointed out they are more then a few openly supporting unlimited abortion. So I am not sure what exactly are you asking.

[@gianni206]

Holy crap youre right, he didn’t

[@chibu3212]

⁠@@jamesshepard2672Slippery slope only works when you provide evidence as a basis of leading to that slippery slope. If you people advocating or examples of healthy babies being ab0rted after the third trimester then you have a point.

[@OnlyTwoShoes]

The Governor LITERALLY said "would be delivered" in the example, so why are you making this cope argument about dying in the womb or life of the mother?

[@Ammoniummetavanadate]

It isn't ab*rtion if the baby dies naturally. He must understand this, right?

[@Ammoniummetavanadate]

Trump looks exactly the same as when he was on TV ages ago. That "ramble" clip you used as an example is Trump discussing an extremely sensitive subject in a sensitive way. It is kind of crazy you read "old man rant" from that.

[@releasethekraken5039]

Trump looking the same after decades says more about the quality of his spray tan than of his youthful vigor. Just sayin

[@PootisPenserPow]

It's that TDS. Nasty stuff

[@Tential1]

​@@PootisPenserPowyup. Trump going normal Trump mode, on Biden, would have been seen as bullying. 2-minute debate thing backfired because it's forced Trump to not be able to attack Biden. I saw two specific times where Trump wanted to lash out and say something and bit his lip. It was wild. He knew that anything he said wouldn't be picked up because his microphone was off. He really got saved by the rules. It was a massive backfire

[@louisup5]

Dev always has to lie so he can keep pretending the right answer is exactly half way between the two extremes. The fact that sometimes one side is objectively right is something dev will deny to his last breath

[@TheDeadfast]

The format of the debate where only one microphone was tuned on didn't allow Trump to employ his usual tactic of interrupting and quipping his opponent to death. Funnily enough, despite this undoubtedly being intentionally set up in Biden's favour, it backfired spectacularly because nothing can hurt Biden's facade of competency nearly as much as Biden himself having to talk uninterrupted for two minutes.

[@TheCriticalPigeon]

Ah yes, the gaslight. I don't have TDS. you have TDS for not agreeing with me

[@akas1255]

"I don't have TDS" says moron who feels the need to "fact-check" Trump's claim that Biden has referred to blacks as "super-predators" by saying Biden only did it once or two times.

[@inkubus6192]

The gaslights are running out of gas, now. Our minds are sharp enough to cut through all the BS.

[@Foxilluzions]

Nice to see that the SFO community is willing to straight up question and confront SFO when he says something questionable/dumb (to them at least). That's a really good sign of a healthy and active community.

[@ShortFatOtaku]

yeah but a lot of these criticisms are dumb

[@conserva-chan2735]

​@ShortFatOtaku your defense of Northam is completely delusional and not only that you didn't even focus on the actual dumb things Trump said, i.e "Best H2O".

[@micki0finn430]

​@@ShortFatOtakumaybe, but your audience criticizes and sticks around for your rebuttals. They don't throw a tantrum, call you a Nazi or Commie and flee.

[@GoldGune]

@@ShortFatOtakudude you wanted this quit whining

[@hanzo2001]

​@@ShortFatOtaku copium much? Your community knows you will enough to see your BS, mistakes and disingenuous behaviors. I'd say it's quite healthy. Your dismissiveness is obviously expected. Ego dictates that you have to believe you're right and everybody.else.is.wrong. People still like you though, even when you twist into a pretzel, put your fingers in your ears while covering your eyes. Don't worry, we'll be here for you

[@blehbleh6162]

It’s Sundowning. Doesn’t matter how he seems in the morning. A president can’t be Sundowning when he’s leading a country.

[@rutgaurxi7314]

Would be based if he was Sundowner, however! "Give war a chance!"

[@Zorous]

Like I said, kids are cruel, Jack. And I'm very in touch with my inner child. 🪚🪚 🛡🛡🛡🛡🛡🛡

[@crocadillius6418]

@@Zorousand allegedly a couple of outside children

[@KaygeeFromNanotrasen]

RED SUN

[@rutgaurxi7314]

@@KaygeeFromNanotrasen Over paradise.

[@BillGoodwin1]

Trump: "He beat Medicaid to death." SFO: "This is an obvious lie. Medicaid is a government program and thus can not be literally beaten to death. I am very impartial and smart."

[@daedalus6433]

SFO should just admit that Trump is the lesser evil and get on with their life. If I was an American I'd vote for the Libertarian party instead of giving my vote to the DNC or the RNC, but American politics hasn't been about the people having a real choice for a long time

[@Videogeek95]

@@triplea7536 Dev: "Obama's first term economy recovery is clearly better than Trump's" Obama's first term recovery is only second to the Great Depression itself... Under Trump I saw gas prices for the first time in my LIFE drop to 1.XX... I'm 30... How's that for a "Go Fuck Yourself" you goddamn TDS?

[@jamesshepard2672]

@@triplea7536its not one 😊erson in the comment sections duty to layout paragraphs of what is wrong with this video.

[@YouCanCallMeIz]

@@triplea7536 This is what we like to call "humor" or "parody".

[@akas1255]

​@@triplea7536 "Trump claims to have the best economic growth ever yet here's a random month from 1953 where it was 0.01% better...Trump claims Biden called Blacks "super-predators" multiple times yet I can only find a video of him doing it once. Checkmate Trumptards!" Better? The overall point is that Dev's "fact-checking" is just pedantic nonsense that does nothing but prove his TDS.

[@Berry_Bruiser]

30:23 Considering that Trump will do things like chase after a hat that fell of a marine's head on a windy day, put that hat back on, and salute the marine (this was just when he getting off a plane, not at a rally or event), and constantly visits PDs, firefighters, and army members, and he would be saying this likely in front of many people (unprovoked, just out of nowhere) I sincerely believe the 'suckers and losers' quote is far, far deeper into horseshit territory than it being real.

[@samiamtheman7379]

Honestly, Trump should've responded by bringing up when Biden called soldiers "stupid bastards" to their faces.

[@chucklebouf5379]

SFO judged it possible so that means it's true and Biden didn't lie because Biden never does.

[@Macleod1991]

Not to mention that just because you criticize the person, you don't criticize the uniform. McCain doesn't get a get out of jail free card just because he served. He was a scumbag politician regardless of service and there are many others in Congress right now that served but are scumbags regardless. Being a vet doesn't make you immune to that being pointed out. Dev as TDS-lite and it does get annoying seeing the fact that Biden did his fair share of actual lying, while being autisically "fact-checking" Trump, and being technical. No different that your average /politics redditor.

[@AJadedLizard]

I was under the impression Kelly came out and said it _didn't_ happen because if it had it would've been in his book.

[@walkingcontradiction223]

​@@samiamtheman7379Should have just asked Biden what time it was.

[@artemisfowl9219]

I think you are painting your Ralph Northam explanation with your own bias here. If an infant is delivered and "resuscitatated" then they are alive and have the right to live. There are no discussions to be had after the point.

[@artemisfowl9219]

Losers and Suckers quote isnt a he said she said. 19 people who were there when the conversation supposedly took place and they stated it never happened. Why would I take the word of one person who hated trump, when fucking John Bolton who despises Trump stated it never happened.

[@artemisfowl9219]

You have mistaken Debt and Deficit in towards the end. You dont add $8T to the deficit

[@ShortFatOtaku]

artemis the point of palliative care is that when somebody is terminal, you treat for comfort rather than longevity. if a newborn has days to live, the 'discussion' is about palliative care, and calling it "post-birth abortion" is entirely false.

[@artemisfowl9219]

@@ShortFatOtaku To be clear, you are reading into a discussion where the legislation makes zero carve outs for that specificity, and simply removes all limitations for reasons including mental health like depression. You are claiming to add context while ignoring the fact that even they slightly mentioned this fact in the recording. You are wrong here, dev. You rushed this video and made quite a few small errors. I understand, but dont pretend that Ralph Northam discussion was somehow above board.

[@Thecrocodiemanmask]

​@ShortFatOtaku You got owned! 🤣🤣🤣

[@ArthurHuizar]

Trump: Biden spent 3 trillion dollars on this one thing Dev: Actually, Biden spent 2.9 trillion on that one thing. Trump is a blatant liar, guys. Biden: *opposite of the truth* Dev: This is just a factual misstep. Overall Biden is telling the truth more than Trump because I only gave 1 example for Biden.

[@joesmith701]

Biggest complaint with this video, he seemingly ignores all Biden's own exaggerations and lies. I would agree Trump likely said more however to say or hint Biden was more truthful just comes off as bias as he just couldn't talk well enough to say more.

[@Trisket]

Trump uses hyperbole = blatantly lying. Biden blatantly lies = a simple mistake.

[@Duranous.]

It's because he supports Biden but subversively wont say anything that compromises his façade directly.

[@isambo400]

Re 20:10, I distinctly recall Obama saying “Voting is the best revenge”

[@isambo400]

Unemployment as measured by the government is a meaningless statistic.

[@beardyface7977]

Good lord man, do you go into a coffee shop and buy "the worlds best coffee" and fact check their "lies" right there?

[@ShortFatOtaku]

yes

[@twiggledy5547]

@@ShortFatOtaku lmao

[@dergeradeweg1413]

I’ve had the ‘world’s best burgers’ from 3 different restaurants here in bum-fuck south Africa. Maybe I should sue. 😂

[@bassplayer2011ify]

Not a hard bar to set when what is often considered "The worlds best coffee" in Canada is gas station coffee.

[@inkubus6192]

Dripping with autism.

[@mr.whitechristmas280]

Dev I get why you think Northam was talking about palliative care, I'm not deranged enough to not see how if you're being charitable to him you can take his statement to mean that, but I just don't think that's the natural reading of his statement. He never said the words palliative care, he said "Keep the baby comfortable while the parents and doctors have a discussion." A discussion about what? The context of the clip is late term abortion, I think it can be reasonably assumed the discussion would be about ending the life of the child artificially, i.e. a post-birth abortion. Surely you can see how that interpretation of his statement, even with the full context, is still a reasonable reading?

[@PootisPenserPow]

He also mentions birth defects etc. Sounds like eugenics to me.

[@PistonHonda87]

@@PootisPenserPow the bill would allow for termination of deformities. Even in the case of potential life saving surgeries. I am a palliative care nurse and believe in mercy and the right to die (euthanasia) in a very strict set of guidelines. But what dev is propagating here is disingenuous at best and out of his element.

[@MissRora]

I think it all hinges on how "severe deformity" would be defined in such legislation. If it includes something purely cosmetic like a cleft palate, that's going too far. But if it's a lethal/potentially lethal defect like a deformed heart, that's a different conversation entirely. Based on the radio clip Dev showed, it sounds to me like the governor acknowledges the nuances of the situation, but the state Congresswoman trying to push the bill through likely didn't.

[@thinklikeageek97]

Even if Northam did only and strictly mean palliative care, that dosn't mean that it would only be used for that. I'm reminded of the MAID program. How it was meant only for people who were terminally ill so they weren't suffering in their final moments. But, of course, they've been trying to push onto other, not terminally ill, patients as well. Like those cases where people were getting it because they were poor, and poverty is now a deadly disease I guess.

[@internetzenmaster8952]

@@thinklikeageek97 I remember the Northam incident clearly, and what he was talking about did not come across as palliative care at all. Especially when the subject of the interview was about abortion.

[@UltraGalaxyify]

Bro, I was HOPING you'd bring something of substance when you said "Trump lied during the debate", but instead all you brought were essentially semantics, borderline anecdotes, and shit that doesn't connect whatsoever! I should have known better than to listen to American political commentary from an inhabitant of Canuckistan

[@collaboration3511]

The stats he brought up are so shakey too, the unemployment stat is crap, it doesn't give a real picture of the actual employment situation and GDP is a stat that is certainly not a 1 to 1 to the health of the economy.

[@reaver4549]

First dev video where I feel he Blatantly ignored or used his own lense to support a point. The northum commentary is exactly an example of 9th month or 3rd trimester abortion. Even if it's a fringe case In Devs interruption of Northums statement its still a factual real example of a thought and exceptance of 9nth month abortion.

[@PootisPenserPow]

He literally showed us the video and then tried to lie to our face about it. No thanks, at least Arch doesn't spit in my face

[@stickmandrawing1140]

Dude he litteraly called the people who dissagree with him in here "dumbs" because we dont agree with him. He said something else i forget what but he is blatantly lying and ignoring other things as well. He never got into bidens lies or anything else its shocking that someone who i personally used to enjoy watching is lying to our faces

[@walkingcontradiction223]

Not the first.. It almost seems as if Dev stretches left in order to maintain his "centrist" fit as the Overton window keeps sliding the same way.

[@ChiTownOriginator]

​@@PootisPenserPowI tuned in to Devs stream, idk who Arch is but he is at least 10,000Xs smarter than Dev

[@tripleoo0]

@@walkingcontradiction223 Dev doesn't stretch left to suit centrism, he's just a left-lib that does better research than most. TDS isn't a new thing with Dev, but it certainly is frustrating to see someone who understands so many of the failings of liberal and leftist forms of government suddenly stop short of supporting Trump. Even though he's the only available candidate that at least talks about freezing the leftward drift that happens to all democratic forms of government over time - currently the biggest concern America has.

[@compatriot852]

Trump wasn't having an "old man" moment like biden. He was talking about a sensitive subject matter. There's also the matter that the debate was heavily monitored. There was no crowd for Trump to get firey for and mute buttons were present

[@cardboardempire]

Dev: Trump is not as sharp as he used to be. Jeez Dev, he was debating a sign post. What do you expect? Your TDS is showing.

[@Bioblitz1997]

Bruh he literally isn't there are clips of him having like mini seizures. Both potential presidents suck dick in diffrent ways. The country is shitting the bed.

[@NoPantsBaby]

"Outright falsehoods" = opinions dev disagrees with. Just remember. Dev voted for Trudeau.

[@sweetnerevar7030]

Actually watch the videos. Trump blatantly told lies

[@NoPantsBaby]

@@ZaxTax-h8t Just saying that Dev has proven track record of candidates he actually likes and would vote for becoming massive tyrants that completely wreck the economy of the nation.

[@ShortFatOtaku]

voted for trudeau in 2015, not in 2019 or 2021

[@bartvshomer]

@@ShortFatOtaku X to doubt

[@solring5721]

​@@ShortFatOtaku You've been saying for years you didn't vote for Trudeau in 2015. Literally in the first 5 seconds of your trouble with Trudeau video you state you didnt vote for him. Either you're lying then or you're lying now. Either way it's bad optics.

[@killerz3280]

Not so much calling out blatant lies from trump but just seeing through his exaggerations. He speaks like a businessman

[@Hazamandeous]

Crazy that a lifelong businessman talk like a *checks notes* …businessman?

[@robotlegs]

A used car salesman more like. This whole comment section is embarrassingly full of cope.

[@ChiefCrewin]

​@@robotlegsfull of cope? How is seeing through the MSM, Dem's and Dev's bullshit cope?

[@Jaco059]

Well both lied like crazy

[@typhonviserys8288]

"Yeah, this car has less than 100,000 miles on it." Odometer says 99,999 9/10 miles. Copium Addicts: ::Huff huuuuuffffff:: He's a ::COUGH:: busniessmaaaaan, maaaaan.

[@fateofmorality]

Dev I read one of your comments saying that Biden is still the better option over Trump. One of the presidents most critical functions as head of state is to talk and negotiate with other heads of state. With someone who isn't able to formulate a full sentence, Biden will be a horribly ineffective head of state. I don't think there's any way you can argue that Biden should be president over Trump because he's not even there. You're basically saying you'd rather have an unnamed apparatus than Trump, which means an unaccountable beurocratic state for the next 4 years. That's not Democracy.

[@harrisonclauss8559]

Dev defending the Ralph Northam clip is actually insane. The addition portion of the clip adds no meaningful context that negates the fact he's okay with killing a baby that's successfully been delivered and breathing.

[@jlfazmo]

The only slight thing the context adds is the "may be non-viable" scenario which obviously doesn't mean ONLY non viable

[@ShortFatOtaku]

do you actually think palliative care is 'killing'? you're more demented than biden is

[@theeccentrictripper3863]

Kinda makes it worse really, he outright says there's no place for the government to put safeguards on such a thing, just scramble him like an egg if the doctor and mother are cool with it. Bit of an oof there

[@jlfazmo]

​@@ShortFatOtaku maybe he misspoke but he gave non-viable as a scenario of many not the only scenario. Surely if it's viable it's not palliative

[@OnlyTwoShoes]

I smell another ratio

[@toastyanon8902]

Personally, I have a hard time getting outraged over the lies Trump spews when the entire liberal media ecosystem has been lying about Biden’s health for over 3 years. If the debate was pushed back a week they’d still be calling out videos as “cheap fakes” and interviewing cabinet members about how energetic Biden is behind the scenes

[@PootisPenserPow]

Yeah honestly. Why should I give a shit what he lies about when we've had four years of the gaslight admin?

[@justinbailey6515]

What's coming out now about the jab and pandemic versus what we were told should wake everyone up to be critical of anything said by MSM or the Whitehouse.

[@Web720]

Let's also not forget the Russiagate hoax and the Hunter Biden laptop.

[@lainiwakura1776]

And when the MSM kept lying about Trump as well.

[@dreamcream3738]

Considering Trump's lies are more akin to embellishments than anything else, I'd rather Trump than Biden

[@MaverickhunterXZero]

Boy, it would be really embarrassing if someone had said "Biden was the best option" over Trump. I hope no one was that stupid.

[@ShortFatOtaku]

he ultimately still is, he's just a terrible option.

[@bartvshomer]

@@ShortFatOtaku You...Really have deep TDS if you think someone dying right before your eyes is the better option...Or that Biden is actually even the one calling the shots after watching that debate.

[@alexhammer7153]

​@@ShortFatOtakuDev. I love ya but my wallet was doing cartwheels during the trump era compared to this one. The only thing that's improved on my end is the value of equities, but then again that tends to happen when you stimulate the economy through inflation. Feeling you missed the mark on this one. But appreciate the content. Still one of my favorite creators.

[@MaverickhunterXZero]

@@ShortFatOtaku Bruh.

[@BlazeDeval]

@@ShortFatOtaku Look, I know your high horse is stacked on top of other high horses, half of which is kind of shoved up your ass at this point, but when you literally have hundreds, if not thousands of rebuttals that give evidence and you respond with 'lol, nah', why should anyone ever take you seriously?

[@Grizzalslice]

Trump: *trying to come off as more presidential* ShortFatOtaku: BUT TRUMP IS OLD TOO NOW! SEE HOW HE ISN'T SCREAMING AT BIDEN!!!

[@kamii_999]

Damned if he does , damned if he doesn't.

[@eliaspanayi3465]

His mic was also muted. There's not much point in trump trying to play his usual card of being loud brash and aggressively pushes his debate opponent. Luckily, it worked in the inverse because he was forced to give biden the shovel and watch him keep digging.

[@Kodeb8]

@@eliaspanayi3465 That's the most ironic thing about muting the mic. CNN probably thought they would "get him" with that, but it ended up helping him.

[@EdgarFriendlysCivicsTeacher]

😴

[@marcusgaius]

​@@eliaspanayi3465they had to raise up levels of Biden's microphone, because he was so frail, so you could actually hear Trump here and there.

[@Grimmlocked]

Your “gotcha” at 22 min really gives the smart redditor vibes “look at how much smarter I am then you”

[@ShortFatOtaku]

only because you got got

[@chucklebouf5379]

@@doctorgrubious7725 Trump speaks hyperbolically, news at 11. You should have seen the fish he caught, it was almost as big as SFO.

[@10thletter40]

​@@ShortFatOtaku Trump always says he "is or has the best" Joe Biden also said so many half truths and lies but he's such a husk you didn't even bother mentioning it. Trump is Trump, he has an ego, he's wild.

[@10thletter40]

​@@ShortFatOtakukzbin.info/www/bejne/mqWrhoymrs5oY7ssi=KIcBIDOBbaJ-rZto

[@taatuu25]

I love how half the comments here are "trump was obviously using hyperbole" and the other half are "trump was speaking literally and was right"

[@Tycho77]

You need to understand. Dev is... very liberal, he literally did not know Biden was senile until a few days ago, because not one of his trusted sources told him so.

[@Galvvy]

True but I think we can separate Dev's position of classical liberalism from modern progressives. Biden isn't even a candidate, he's a sock puppet for globozo's.

[@SigmaTheWhiteFlame]

That's called being a low level authoritarian. Only believing what the authority tells you.

[@femsplainer]

@@SigmaTheWhiteFlame Not quite. An authoritarian advocates for authority. An idiot believes people who claim authority without any skepticism. Dev is the latter, not the former.

[@BQD_Central]

Because dev doesn’t seem to be able to observe and come to conclusions . He isn’t that smart

[@kylerooney89]

“The infant would be delivered, the infant would be kept comfortable, the infant would be resuscitated if that’s what the mother and the family desired. And then a discussion would ensue between the physicians and the mother.” Ralph northam Democratic governor of Virginia radio podcast quote.

[@ShortFatOtaku]

yeah, so when trump said "he'll kill the baby" that was a lie

[@PistonHonda87]

@@ShortFatOtakuthe bill would allow you to kill a baby if the baby could survive a deformity via life saving surgery. The only liar here is you. Sincerely, A palliative care nurse

[@acidlaek]

@@ShortFatOtakuso if the mother didn’t want the baby resuscitated. Then the baby would die. Aka killed by inaction. Sounds like an abortion. It’s one thing to attempt to save a life and it fails, it’s another to purposely refuse to even try.

[@kylerooney89]

@@ShortFatOtaku you said "pallot of care" to let a baby just die after being born. " Would be resuscitated if that's what the mother and the family wanted desired. And a discussion would ensue between the physician and the mother." About what? Letting it die? This is just abandonment and neglect as your form of abortion you're okay with. It's called infanticide at that point

[@mariobrito427]

"a discussion would ensue" - what do you think the discussion would be about? Too bad you didn't post the video with the democrat who came up with the bill grudgingly admitting that the bill would basically allow abortion to the point of birth. And "leftoid" women have no problem using abortion as contraceptives. Come on man, you know all this

[@vaushfan9200]

“UMMM ACTHSHUALLY in 1951 the GDP was 0.0001% higher 🤓☝️” SSSSSSOYYYYYYBOOOOOYYYYY

[@akas1255]

"BIDEN ONLY CALLED BLACK PEOPLE 'SUPER-PREDATORS' 1-2 TIMES! CHECKMATE TRUMPTARDS!"

[@LamentedGuide]

Dev, this video demonstrates PRECISELY why some Trump supporters despise you. You spend nearly 10 minutes pedantically hyperanalyzing the content of what Trump said, declaring them to be “lies,” or “half truths…” but when it came time to analyze the content of Biden’s answers? You only focused on one - ONE - measly point he made. You may have spent the opening twenty minutes going over how Biden LOOKED bad, but when it came to the content of what Biden actually SAID during the debate and DID during his stint as president you absolutely did not give him anywhere near the level of scrutiny you gave Trump. THIS right here has been a pattern in your content for the past few years that some of us have had a bone to pick with you over: when it comes to the Liberal establishments, it is painfully obvious that you give them the benefit of the doubt and forgo the level of scrutiny that you give to any other group or person.

[@bt636]

Well he is a leftist, what do you expect? I'll give him credit for being a much more honest leftist, but at the end of the day he is still on the side of most of the things that have rotted the soul of the west. He's just a little more economically honest but money can't save our soul.

[@Anatarion99]

This is literally why people in the comments call him TDS, it's not just some random pedantic attack on him like he claimed in his previous video. He does this so regularly it gets tiring.

[@Manakel1993]

It's also why the Trucker video is never coming. There's no way to both-sides the convoy or defend the Canadian government actions. Dev may not like Trudeau, but he doesn't want to admit that the Right did nothing wrong.

[@joshuakim5240]

As much as SFO denies it, he does indeed have very noticeable TDS with pretty much every single symptom in full display, however unlike every other TDS ridden person, he clings onto enough rationality to prevent from completely consuming every aspect of his personality. His willingness to ignore Biden's lies, which there were just as much of as Trump's lies, while also willing to downplay Biden's lies on full display despite being similarly scaled in dishonesty to Trump's lies, shows that despite his smug claim to not have TDS...he totally 100% has TDS with this video probably being a full display of it, which he ironically thinks isn't due to how much his TDS is clouding his usually-sound judgement. And the biggest irony of all is that SFO is incapable of seeing this in himself, when he has analyzed and seen this exact pattern within many others. He doesn't seem to realize that he's not immune to the same faults as those he has made fun of and still does.

[@solring5721]

Heh, I believe I spy an alt account for a certain spoon. Either that or he blatantly stole this comment.

[@sereksusvictar7888]

How is that taking Northam out of context? Even given the full context, he is still using the quoted example where the baby is delivered then the talk about late term abortion would happen, hence post birth abortions being factually correct here. There is no real way around this, he said the baby would be delivered then the talk. His own words. The baby being abnormal doesnt change the fact that its now currently alive and delivered, outside the womb, post birth, and the talk about abortion happens then, post birth. Yeah, the baby is abnormal, sure. Should we abort babies after birth because some people have abnormalities? Your added context doesnt change the fact that Northam described post birth abortions. If the baby is living, even if science says its impossible, shouldnt we let the baby keep living and defy science? People have been known to survive past their scientifically expected expiration date. For someone who cries for a good portion of the video about Trumps lies, while ignoring a bunch of Bidens lies, you yourself seem to be lying about Norrham here.

[@ShortFatOtaku]

this is how i know you didn't actually understand anything being said' nobody said "abort babies after birth because some people have abnormalities". look up "palliative care".

[@sereksusvictar7888]

So uh, does palliative care involve aborting babies after delivery? Because I followed your advice and looked it up, and I didn't see anything about aborting delivered babies to help with quality of life for people suffering from abnormalities. Can you at least explain your reasoning instead of dismissing me by telling me to "just Google it."

[@lavaeater5]

@@ShortFatOtaku When he says what he says in the DIRECT CONTEXT OF LATE TERM ABORTION it does.

[@thraknar3363]

@@ShortFatOtaku This is funny, and also messed up because the "rambling" which it was rambling response from Trump actually covered this. Pointed out that there was nuance for abortion

[@Melvonathan]

@@ShortFatOtaku "It's not my job to educate you, chud. Google it!"

[@malvineous]

Giving a baby palliative care instead of life-saving medical attention is exactly the same as murder, you're just doing it through neglect instead of using a knife. If I stop feeding my cat and he dies of starvation, did I not just kill my cat? There's an old Hungarian country idiom that my mom brings out from time to time, "I didn't shit in the well, I just pooped on the rim and it fell in!"

[@ulfrsatyr642]

@@malvineous he’s Canadian. They have a massive hard on for assisted suicide.

[@maxfinazzo2443]

He's from Canada, the nation with MAID, what did you expect?

[@bug5654]

We're supposed to believe dev instead of our lying ears.

[@UnprofessionalProfessor]

"Trump is lying out of his ass!" **Plays full clip, in context, improving nothing** Is this a joke?

[@damebesos8497]

I think Trump seemed a lot slower and reserved compared to his 2016 self not because of a decline in health, but because he knew the restrictions in place for this debate. We have to remember that the candidates were prevented from talking over each other via the mic being muted. He seemed more disciplined and restrained because he knew he couldn't be his usual self, which is more loud and energetic.

[@multilad816]

Guess he learned his lesson from 8 or 4 years ago

[@GamingTrucker81]

​@multilad816 I do find it dishonest from devs clips because I agree trump is very bombastic when he wants to. During the Hillary debates he was very calm and a bit more presidential even though he made a funny zinger at Hillary. Very energetic when debating the entire republican party

[@amorencinteroph3428]

There's also the case he just learned from the first debate they had four years ago, which EVERYONE on both sides hated across the board. Trump's bullish personality can work well in a debate, but Biden has that same ego-driven bullish personality, so it lead to the two of them just trying to shout over each other for two hours and nothing went anywhere. He ameliorated himself in their second debate, and its definitely likely he's done the same here too. Not that we can't discount Trump's aging over the last 4-8 years either, he does seem to have a bit less energy in general, and someone younger would likely be better because of that, but not all of the difference is just age.

[@frostmagemarii]

@@GamingTrucker81 Dev has been increasingly dishonest in his takes and information he uses to back up his opinions. Not overt lies, but he starts cherrypicking the story he wants to tell.

[@prehensilelung1751]

💯

[@papal1500]

Democrats: OH NO! Who could have foreseen that Biden might not be mentally fit to be president?!?! This is totally new and unexpected!!! Literally everyone: 🤦‍♂️

[@jackworthington5205]

if you mentioned it earlier, you were a racist, or whatever. Racist=person I have a political disagreement with

[@Clint52279]

There were signs before. COVID was perfect for Biden's candidacy because it limited his public exposure. The media stumped for him and Trump hate (TDS) did the rest.

[@amedeo909]

Few watched it live Wish that was true , but the media ( that leans left) has been siloing the normies: they didn't know. Plus twitter is SWAMPED by bots

[@jakethegreatest473]

I was blowing my whistle about that guy before he even won the primary.

[@pong9000]

Three days ago I had to confirm with a (Canadian?!) that she really truly detected zero signs of dementia in Biden. But note this: She herself is facing probable dementia - in the family - and beginning to experience neurological degeneration from MS. So this is a denial issue I think, where Biden is a sort of avatar representing dignity and competence, and society's promise to cover up what terrifies us all. I think a certain dominant generation I will not name, has been projecting onto Biden. And now, as an entire generation, they'll have catharsis.

[@stefanmironov6405]

Between this comment section not buying Dev's "fair coverage" and r/Destiny meltdown right after the debate - it's finger lickin' delicious 🤗

[@dariusarken6371]

Dev usually you're more competent than most but my God, you are absolutely out of your mind on that Northam defense. Even in the context of the entire interview, which I have watched twice now, Trump was 100% correct in his analysis. You are reaching so hard right now you're going to dislocate your shoulder.

[@ShortFatOtaku]

explain

[@dariusarken6371]

@@ShortFatOtaku even given the additional context of the child suffering from deformity OR being a non viable fetus, this is still him not mincing words but just flat out admitting that they would be willing to terminate the child post birth. There's no way to spin it. Whe he says that the child would be resuscitated if that is what the mother wants and then they would sit down to decide the next steps, what else do you think that means in the context of a discussion on extremely late stage abortion? Additional context adds nothing to this argument because the additional context wasn't necessary. He was quite clear in his meaning and frankly this does seem to be just more of your having an dislike of Trump and trying to find a way to rationalize it to your audience after the fact. I watch a lot of your content but when ever you post anything pertaining to Trump, you so seem to go harder for longer on him and give him far less benefit of the doubt that you do anyone else, even when they are quite blatant in their rhetoric.

[@ExPwner]

@@ShortFatOtakuthe clip does not in any way refute what Trump said about Northam.

[@TheLifesentence2278]

@@dariusarken6371 Dev gives literal pedophiles more benefit of the doubt than Trump.

[@ShortFatOtaku]

@@dariusarken6371 nope. palliative care specifically means, if somebody is terminal, you don't fight to keep them alive, you certainly don't TERMINATE them, you keep them as comfortable as possible and wait until they die. that's not 'spin', that is literally what's being described.

[@slavicbruh941]

he’s bidone

[@brangrah1717]

Dev says that Trump lied on abortion, then proceeds to thoroughly vindictate Trump's point😅

[@ShortFatOtaku]

no

[@craneboy11]

@@ShortFatOtakucare to elaborate for those of us who are curious? I recall much of the discourse when that vid came out and I ultimately agreed with the take that it was a thinly-veiled attempt to make late term abortion, until birth even, legal and potentially encouraged. I’m not even against abortion, but that was what it was. I’ve scrolled down quite a ways and not exactly gotten anything complete from you. Just put it out there if you’re gonna take a stance. Quite frankly, you’re detailed explanations usually win me over lol

[@nunyabisinis3406]

@@ShortFatOtaku Yes

[@KrunkDiddelyUmptious]

​@ShortFatOtaku yes 💯, not even debatable

[@spehhhsssmarineer8961]

Even if Biden wasn’t senile I wouldn’t even entertain the thought of voting for him so long as Kamala is in any way associated with his campaign.

[@Xplora213]

😂😂😂😂😂😂… is the camera still on me??? 🤔… yep… 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 I’m not a crazy VP lady at all 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 😳😳😳😳😳😳😳😳😳😳😳😳😳😳

[@inthefade]

She is evil

[@AJadedLizard]

@@inthefade She's just the hypocrisy inherent to the Democrats. The corrupt former prosecutor who slept her way to the top and now rides the coattails of a race she wasn't raised as for clout.

[@dean_l33]

@@inthefade Like a dei hire version of Hillary

[@zanderdev57]

Im not going to tell you what party to vote for but i strongly urge you to not vote for something like that for any reason. He is not mentally sound at all and is essentially a puppet for his administration. Just the face, and he doesnt seem to even know what they are up to. Jill was literally cheering him on like a mother to a toddler. Vote for a president, not a face.

[@_Carlos]

"Biden had a good showing the next morning" Yeah it's called sundowning, I see it all the time at work.

[@collin1719]

He was also on the teleprompter for that rally.

[@ecosystemdestroyer3426]

By saying "you didnt watch the whole video" as a gotcha to people genuinely asking when you skim past a point, thats dishonest. Putting a timestamp or caption saying "ill get to it later" would have been an honest way of going about it but baiting reactions just makes you look bad.

[@Pistonrager]

The "rambling old man story time" is Trump explaining his position on abortion. Thats a terrible example Dev.

[@elocfreidon]

Should we expect anything else?

[@Pistonrager]

@@elocfreidon yes. I expect good examples.

[@elocfreidon]

@@Pistonrager Well we didn't get any.

[@NoPantsBaby]

"I believe it is a state rights issue." "Some went farther than I would have liked for example Ohio, others didn't" "I believe there should be exemptions, rape, life of the mother." "Termination using medication in the very early stages should be protected" Apparently this is rambling according to Dev, former Trudeau voter.

[@dright928]

Cant tell if this is his TDS showing or his canadian showing. They almost seem mutually exclusive these days.

[@TheLifesentence2278]

Governor Northam specifically said those vile things.

[@ShortFatOtaku]

no

[@Joogoo96]

Dev, he was my governor, he totally said that shit

[@TheLifesentence2278]

@@ShortFatOtaku prove me wrong I did watch your entire video you are doing some mind reading here buddy.

[@TheLifesentence2278]

@@ShortFatOtaku and check some of my other comments out I'm sure you have some galaxy brained takes on them.

[@chucklebouf5379]

@@ShortFatOtaku yes

[@weebdestroyer7649]

"I didn't kill the child, I merely took it off life support and refused to stop it from dying a medically preventable death!" -Dr. Dev, Planned Parenthood "Palitive Care" Specialist

[@ShortFatOtaku]

yeah if the child is terminal i'm ok with this

[@weebdestroyer7649]

@@ShortFatOtaku Maybe this is just a Canadian thing (considering "healthcare" in Canada is telling those who have been in the military like me to consider killing ourselves.) but euthanasia is in no way "palative care", and it's incredibly weird to see you keep acting like that is what Northam was referring to when he CLEARLY wasn't. Palative care is the easing of suffering of those with terminal illness by using medicine before it kills them. I've been in a hospice enough to know. It is NOT killing them before they sucumb by pulling the plug, that is textbook euthanasia and blatantly felonious in the overwhelming majority of U.S states. You bringing up "palative care" makes even less sense when you realize Northam was referring to children born with defects, not terminal illness. To Northam, it's perfectly acceptable to kill a baby that was born with cleft pallet or a heart condition because it's a "major defect". It doesn't matter to him that people with serious conditions like those are able to live relatively normal lives with the help of a medical procedure or lifestyle adjustments. This is ultimately why your rebuttal of Trumps talk about Democratic support of late-term abortion falls so flat to a lot of us, as the "context" further reinforces what Trump claimed to be true.

[@weebdestroyer7649]

@@ShortFatOtaku Except Northam never brought up terminal illness once, and was referring to children who are "not viable" or born with "major deformities". "Major deformities" is a very broad medical term, and includes many birth defects that are NOT life-threatening. To Northam, it is completely acceptable to perform a late-term abortion on a child born with cleft pallet or a heart defect. This is in complete disregard to the fact that people born with one of those 2 or many other non-fatal "major defects" are able to live long and relatively normal lives with the help of a medical procedure or life style adjustment. With this knowledge there's no other way but to call these "late-term abortions" anything else than what they are; blatant eugenics. This is the main reason you calling Trump incorrect by whipping out the "muh wider context" as a defense of Northam's quote along with your constant mention of the irrelevant "palliative care" makes you look like someone who will make copious logical reaches in order to say he wasn't wrong when he clearly was. Trump is factually correct in saying Democrats like Northam support late-term abortions, as rewatching the clip "in-context" makes Trump's assertion even stronger. I don't expect any response considering you appear to run for the hills the moment anyone destroys your assertion in a way you can't counter, but just admit you were wrong dude. It's not hard.

[@zerosen1972]

​@@ShortFatOtakuIf you had children I'm sure you'd see this very differently. It's always easy for psuedo intellectuals like you to push a kill switch when you don't have to see the results of your choices play out or they don't have a personal attachment to you. Thought you were a bit more human than that... Stick to doing Tiktok Tuesdays. You're better at that than waxing political honestly.

[@AngryAlfonse]

Damn Dev, the copium huffing here is insane. As a centrist, I enjoyed having a centrist to listen to, but this is just comical levels of copium. This is like, lab-made pharmaceutical-grade fentanyl-laced copium.

[@Cadian-8th-4676]

The IV is dripping it

[@ChiefCrewin]

It's his TDS, it can't let him analyze fairly, he must be anti Trump.

[@masoncorridor9219]

As a fellow centrist, can agree fully on this. Sad to witness, really.

[@AngryAlfonse]

@@thebuddah1253 I mean, there is virtue in being intelligent and wise enough to understand that neither side is correct 100% of the time, and that no ideology has all of the answers. But man... In some scenarios one side is clearly right and the other side is clearly wrong. And the past 8 years of US politics have been one of those scenarios.

[@maxfinazzo2443]

He's mad at Trump because he views the eastman memo as a power grab. The plan was to send electors from states with voting irregarities to recount and reelect presidential electors. The vice president as president of the Senate is the person who would have to approve this. Now some modern political scholars say this is mostly a serimonial position, but Nixon (being vp in 1960) did just this when there were questions of election tampering in Hawaii, despite the fact that he "won" Hawaii in 1960. After he sent the Hawaii electors back it was found that they would have swung for Kennedy. Hawaii sent two slates of electors that year. Even as recently as 2001 Al Gore attempted something similar to the Eastman memo as an attempt to overturn a swing state with calls of voter suppression (Florida in this case). So Dev views Trump as power hungry due to doing what presidents have done for years, which is bad faith, but being from Canada I can see why he might see it that way even though he's wrong. I also think that being a centrist is pretty central to Devs political identity, but the Overton window has moved so far left (dragging the modern right along with it) that Dev, by digging in his heals in his ideology and being consistent, has effectively become a rightoid and doesn't like that he is, so he latches on anything to kinda show that he isn't a rightoid. Everyone who tries to be good faith is guilty of this, over criticizing a side they are closer too in an attempt to appear non biased.

[@daltonmortimer7735]

Dev, mate, hyperbole for the sake of rhetoric isn't a lie and we all know trump does it, don't be disingenuous

[@ShortFatOtaku]

when jill biden said "my husband answered every question and knew all the facts!!!" are you going to consider that 'hyperbole for the sake of rhetoric' and not the obvious lie that it is, as well?

[@theeccentrictripper3863]

@@ShortFatOtaku You kinda said it yourself when you said Biden was more factual, when if you did an equivalent nitpick of his points, what few were cogent, he'd come up just as empty. The no troops dying on his watch is especially grotesque given our pullout of Afghanistan

[@t700e]

@@ShortFatOtakuThis is what I’m saying. I swear I’m not sure what it is, but people for some reason get all wishy-washy with their criticism of Trump. Maybe it’s because he set the bar so low, I’m not sure.

[@stickmandrawing1140]

​@@ShortFatOtaku i mean that one was directly a straight up lie that you dont even need to fact check.

[@KaptajnKaffe]

Why stop when he is right 😅​@@benji9465

[@Skullnaught]

No way he found a way to "both sides" their cognitive function as if they are anywhere near comparable

[@FEV369]

I watch your channel off and on, you nailed Biden pretty well but you were reaching hard with Trump... So criticisms, sorry: - I'm not a Trumper and plan to do a write in. 1 - The video you gave of Trump VS Bush and now Trump VS Biden, Trump did better today than back under Bush in his answer and he was no slower of slurring. 2 - The clip of Biden and Trump in 2020, still... no real measurable change in Trump IMO... he was allowed to interrupt then but not at the CNN debate so there is less "fire" 3 - 3rd clip, Trump instantly delivers "He was right, he beat Medicare, he beat it to death" No slur, not lag... 4 - Gavin is possibly more of a lying yes man than Biden... and Biden has always been a empty shell of a human saying yes to whatever get's him support in that exact moment. 5 - You glossed over her saying, "Biden knows everyone of these questions is coming." 6 - Jailing Trump was in fact always a plan of the Democrats and their media... you pretending it's not true makes m roll my eyes a bit. 7 - You said "A harsh sentence against Trump would effect his electability, and there are people in Government who know this." What does that even mean? Who are these people that "know" the future when people keep getting it wrong? You kinda just made stuff up there and a harsh sentence would probably help Trump as now most people see the media lies to them and that the DOJ has been weaponized to protect Joe who has no mind and can't win without such weaponization. 8 - You point out that Biden went to a waffle house and had energy, but didn't mention that apparently he was sick and magically got better. 9 - You claim the next day Biden had a prte6tty good rally... but he has a bus of cheerleaders, said nothing and read it all off a teleprompter. It's back to being staged, where they can make Biden look great. Headed to bed. Not being a dick here, just sayin, you dislike Trump and that's fine, he ain't my guy and I do live here... but often when people don't like someone they kinda see things to support that even if it's not there or not really relevant. Yes, Trump is getting older, I liked Vivek, so I get it, totally... But I assume you like feedback, even if you don't read it.

[@themagnumtodd]

I forgot about him supposedly being sick lol. Pretty irresponsible to go out to a crowded restaurant with a highly contagious virus.

[@mattkeepingazoriustactical]

⁠​⁠@@handsomebear.if pointing out the obvious is “getting down on his knees and starts slurping audibly”, we’re all pretty fucked to be honest.

[@handsomebear.]

_"I'm not a trumper"_ he says before getting down on his knees to audibly slurp on Trumps carrot :V _"Trumps energy/wit is the exact same as it ever was"_ _"Bidens energy is the same between the debate and rally, he just had a teleprompter and a cheering crowd"_ Brother...stand up and reclaim your manhood. Yes, Biden looked like a talking corpse in the debate- but Trump is _clearly_ also in decline. Politics is the ultimate brainrot lol.

[@laikanbarth]

Well, if it matters I’m an Independent who hadn’t made up my mind (that’s who the debates are for btw) and I’m voting for the person who didn’t have a “cold”. I wasn’t convinced when I kept hearing ppl say that the “justice system was used to keep T from running” but after seeing Biden I know it was used maliciously.

[@WarningStrangerDanger]

Same. ​@@laikanbarth I voted for Gary Johnson and then didn't vote, but at this point, you have to do a postmortem of your news sources when they get it THIS wrong.

[@justinbailey6515]

You don't like trump but the options are worse. Besides, you aren't inviting him over for dinner, you are voting for policies that would enable you to afford said dinner.

[@gaelanwhite]

At the same time, is it too much to ask that our president act with some dignity? It's not like Trump is sacrificing anything politically if he just learned to shut up and play nice once in a while. Shoot, he might actually accomplish more if he did.

[@justinbailey6515]

​@@gaelanwhitebombastic is the thing that made him famous. If anything, losing that would probably strip him of half of his support.

[@battlinjoe2592]

Yeah, that’s what frustrates me most about Dev. Like bro, what other options do we have? Personally, I never had an issue with Trump. The only thing I’m still pissed about was his dogshit cabinet picks, cause those inevitably fucked him over. Also, just… the audacity of a Canadian trying to suggest a better pick for US President is a whole can of worms in and of itself.

[@wingsoffreedom3589]

Can you admit he did better in the debate then?

[@Yipper64]

As was shown in the video the numbers dont even say that Trump had a better economy (even excluding the pandemic) Which I find hard to believe but yk.

[@femsplainer]

CNN: Here's a list of lies that Biden said... Dev: Well ACSHHHHUALLY... When CNN is being more honest about Biden than Dev is, maybe he should take a moment and reflect on your TDS.

[@007kingifrit]

you can't fact check trump's hyperbole, and you can't fact check subjective statements, whenever he says "greatest ever blank" we know he isn't being literal

[@AlexanderMartinez-kd7cz]

you know for sure trump was being hyperbolic instead of blatantly lying but dev can't know for sure that trump meant what he said? despite the fact that you both are working with the same footage? is that hypocresy or are you just being hyperbolic?

[@Grizzalslice]

that's my biggest problem with people calling trump a liar. there is a HUGE difference between hyperbole and actual lies

[@ShortFatOtaku]

@@Grizzalslice yeah "biden wants post-birth abortion and open borders" are actual lies

[@ExPwner]

@@ShortFatOtakuno they aren’t. Biden policies opened the border by allowing in asylum seekers with hearing dates that can be skipped or pushed out so far as to be irrelevant. Biden supports Roe v Wade which allows abortion all the way.

[@Grizzalslice]

@@ShortFatOtaku i said this to you in another comment (which you ignored) - Rhetorical strategy to highlight the potential consequences or extremes of Bidens argument isn't lying. This technique, often called a "reductio ad absurdum," aims to expose flaws or weaknesses by extending the logic of their position to its most extreme conclusions. - basically hyperbole isn't lying

[@MandalorianRaider]

I'd like to point out that Biden also lied a shit ton.

[@berndberndsen5680]

Trump: "It's raining cats and dogs." Dev: "This is another lie from Trump, the rain is just water."

[@logicmeister1821]

"Only told Half-Truths" That's still 50% more truth than most other politicians

[@LukeStudioD2]

the worst part of the debate was when dev shat his pants. sadge

[@Ammoniummetavanadate]

It is why he wears diapers while he is streaming.

[@mikeomnic3515]

Heh sadge

[@forestgiliad3504]

He's on his poopmaxxing arc

[@olimarputin7862]

You mean when Biden shat Dev's pants

[@silvercamaro78]

Diaper

[@RussellFlowers]

There seems to be an instinctual need to criticize Trump in this debate, even while piling on Biden. One reason that Trump was much more sedate *in this debate* was - he was working within the rules. They cut mics on the candidate not speaking, and of course Trump recognized it would sound ridiculous to yell.

[@xSilentZeroXx]

Case in point, when Biden frequently tried to yell over his muted mic.

[@hx615]

Trump's lie percentage: 2% Biden's lie percentage: 98% Dev: Trump lied.

[@FayBelleRose233]

That's not true Biden just thinks his in the 1950's or 80's again.

[@VukMujovic]

Biden didn't lie because you need to make a coherent sentence for it to be counted as a lie.

[@xSilentZeroXx]

Only 98%? Dude was spewing conspiracy theories left and right!

[@dawnmana5876]

How in the world were you able to understand Biden enough to figure out any lies? My brain threatened mutiny over trying to decipher that mess.

[@za5820]

There's a massive difference between Bidens lies and Trumps "lies". Trump is bombastic and behaves in politics like a salesman. He'll state "lies" like "We had the best economy." And detractors go. "NO! ITS NOT THE BEST ECONOMY IN HUMAN HISTORY! Look at these stats regarding imperial China during the 4th and 6th dynasties!" Or Trump will say, "Everyone agrees X" and Dev says, "There are Indonesian tribesmen who don't own any technology. There's no way they agree, because they've never known about it! LIAR." Meanwhile, Biden STILL pushes the fine people hoax. STILL. and that's just one example of a million full on intentional lies.

[@tuskiomisham]

the context in this case doesn't make it better- it makes it a bit worse..

[@ShortFatOtaku]

no

[@Jaco059]

@@ShortFatOtakugreat response Heiler

[@KrunkDiddelyUmptious]

​@@ShortFatOtakuyes

[@climbhigher6813]

Imagine delivering the baby, having the baby living outside the womb, then having a discussion about whether the baby should remain alive, and still saying that it's a discussion about what the woman wants to do with her body 🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄

[@mucc7911]

Comparing Trump 's heated passionate demeanor in the debate between several people compared to his One-On-One debate with Biden, where he intentionally tried to act more presidential and calm, is a very dishonest comparison, Dev. Almost incomparable and grasping at straws Lmfao

[@DM-mi4je]

He can't stop himself.

[@Grizzalslice]

lmfaooo fr literally the most brain dead argument ever

[@GamingTrucker81]

Let's not forget to trump he was very calm when he debated Hillary backthen and then he was loud or brash. I do agree trump is getting up there in age, but he still has crazy energy doing the things he's been doing now.

[@captaindookey]

Rage bait, don't fall for it.

[@lightworker2956]

If Trump had gone in hard on Biden, Dev would have criticized that for being "unpresidential" or "bullying" or something. He didn't, so now Dev criticized that.

[@avranjones9980]

My man, i can concede Trump embellished a lot, but to call it a lie is intellectually dishonest.

[@ShortFatOtaku]

to call trump saying "biden wants post-birth abortion" a lie is intellectually dishonest? you're a brainlet

[@chrisedwards6573]

@@ShortFatOtaku Nope, you're a liar, Dev.

[@Grizzalslice]

​@@ShortFatOtaku Rhetorical strategy to highlight the potential consequences or extremes of Bidens argument isn't lying. This technique, often called a "reductio ad absurdum," aims to expose flaws or weaknesses by extending the logic of their position to its most extreme conclusions.

[@avranjones9980]

@@ShortFatOtaku Biden and his far left progressive handlers had their way, not only abortion would be legal up to birth, infantcide up to age 2 would be on the table.

[@andrewthornquist5141]

​@@ShortFatOtaku Former Democrat Governor of Virginia Ralph Northam said that after a baby is born, they would "make the baby comfortable while they decide what to do." That is what Trump is referring to. While this comment provoked extreme outrage from us on the right, and arguably contributed enormously to the victory of the current VA governor, most people on the left, Biden included, did not disagree with that sentiment. That's what Trump is referring to.

[@Skinwalkerxiv]

Implying Biden isn’t for open borders is absolutely WILD when he says things like he wants a surge at the border lmao.

[@wyssmaster]

Yeah but he signed that executive order that closes the border* *Once we've averaged 2,500 encounters a day every day for a week and reopens if that number drops below 1,500 encounters a day

[@allister-malister9179]

He was major anti border in the first place, now that people are outraged the msm act like he was always for the wall.

[@jamesshepard2672]

@@wyssmasteronly signed to stifle the political dumpsterfire the border had been with him the previous months.

[@AngelicusEXperiment]

@@wyssmaster Yeah, and even if it was more in line with what we actually need, that's not Biden following his conscience. That's Biden realizing in the midst of the election season that he was gonna get slaughtered if he stayed in the bailey, so he retreated to the motte.

[@toasterbathboi6298]

​@wyssmaster and this executive irder was only required AFTER biden opened the border in the first place lmfao Biden: fucks up border so badly he needs to have a bill passed to get it closed (also the bill is mostly about giving funding to Ukraine and Israel which is why it doesn't pass in the house) Dev: clearly biden takes border control seriously and wants to fix things, it's the rightoids causing all the border problems by not signing his bill!

[@jasterfett]

Dev has TDS… we are so back!

[@dolorousjohn5499]

Yeah it's looking good for Trump.

[@lightworker2956]

Trump, vs Biden who is a vegetable, is like the ultimate enlightened-centrist-destroyer. Because enlightened centrists either have to acknowledge reality and give the nod to Trump over Biden-vegetable, or they have to reveal themselves as being left-wing partisans.

[@adamlowe8822]

Yeah I love your content SFO but I have to hard disagree on Biden winning based off facts in the debate given he claimed he inherited 9% inflation which no graph displays what so ever, I’m not saying trump was innocent regarding the economic damage but Biden had the worst of both worlds given he was against oil pipelines which are the safest, cleanest and greenest way to transport oil and natural gas for example

[@OnlyTwoShoes]

Biden truned an abortion question into an example of his failed immigration policy. He engaged in political seppuku.

[@AJadedLizard]

I just would've liked to see some examples of Biden _being correct._ Trump lying doesn't automatically make Biden honest, they can and are both full of it.

[@TySoVm]

Cognitive bias is a hell of a drug.

[@ulfrsatyr642]

When talking economics, inflation was a topic SFO paid zero attention to. GDP, unemployment- but the value of capital itself? Pshaw

[@adamlowe8822]

@@AJadedLizard very true

[@j.t.1086]

Your example of Trump being old and rambly -- him stating that he's for abortion in cases of rape, incest, and mortal danger, and telling his hardline anti-abortion supporters that they have to compromise to get a candidate nationally elected -- is one of the most notable and politically astute things he said in the entire debate, and not an example of elderly rambling.

[@lamaking3002]

Damn it, I literally have the same position as trump and I waited for a politican to speak it, because it's either a fundamentalist anti-abortion idiot, or even worse, a left wing pro feminist cuck who wants abortions to be a normal case.

[@xSilentZeroXx]

Yeah, but I do think that position is fucking wild when you really sit down and think about it. I think the overwhelming majority of people who are against abortion believe that it is the termination of an unborn child's life. To make an exception for rape is... what, does the act of rape mean the baby is no longer human? As someone that thinks it should only be allowed in endangering situations (I hold that the baby is alive but I also respect that someone shouldn't just be forced to die and that it's reasonable to let the mother choose who lives), I almost respect the "it's not alive until the cord is cut" psychos over this stance. At least it's more consistent. I get that it's the moderate position, but why are the moderates psychotic?

[@Moe_Posting_Chad]

Could not have said it as well myself! This is what actual compromise in politics looks like, and this SJW just hates Trump. There is no other explanation other than the fact that as a Canadian he doesn't have a steak in anything American election related at all. A literal leech, just trying to game algorithm for engagement, views, and retention. Well. That might get him paid. Today. But based on the temperature of these comments, this is doing a lot of heavy lifting in a direction SFO surely does not want thing to go. But he's a leech. Who should care what an insect thinks?

[@Moe_Posting_Chad]

Yes I know that a leech is an invertebrate, maybe a kind of worm and not an insect.

[@pepperonipizza8200]

@@darkworlddenizenBecause it’s abortion and a national issue. “Why do you care,” just has to be one of the most manipulative statements I’ve heard in debates as it gatekeeps who can discuss issues. The transgender debate is the most blatant with this.

[@hippaul]

Dev you say at this point you’re still not for Trump, but I have to ask you. You would rather a man with dementia be the leader of America? More than someone who’s actually at least coherent? This is where I lose so many people when I talk to them because I’m a liberal, but after this shit… I’m gonna cast my vote for Donald Trump I’m sorry.

[@Touma134]

I've even considered voting which i never do. Biden is mentally a toddler and on principle it Is a great insult to have him making a joke of the presidency. It's insane he isn't taken off the ballet for clear cognitive issues.

[@chucklebouf5379]

@@themeangene Wonder what he thinks about the SCOTUS saying the J6th obstruction charges are bullshit and always were and it's blatantly obvious how much they were? Probably just some cope about how the rogue SCOTUS took years and years to finally make a ruling and "change" the law (despite that the 6-3 split isn't even liberal/conservative)

[@ShortFatOtaku]

@@themeangene because i actually read its report

[@Luciphell]

@@ShortFatOtaku My guy, reading the report put out by the people appointed to take Trump down doesn't mean shit. "Bipartisan" is a euphemism for those of the Uniparty that work together to accomplish their agenda.

[@RW.Dragon]

Yes he would vote for a comatose Biden over Trump he has said so on Twitter, he doesn’t believe in Liberalism anymore is all Orange Man Bad to him

[@thefett1600]

Dev, that’s enough with the TDS. Just let it go.

[@ShortFatOtaku]

unsub if you don't like my opposition to trump. i'm not going to stop.

[@24framedavinci39]

It feels like Trump felt bad for Biden, that's why he was toned down. That clip of him talking about abortion seemed coherent to me. I definitely think we should have a younger, more fiscally conservative candidate, but I'll take Trump over Biden all day every day.

[@knottheory79220]

I feel much the same way. I wish we had different choices but realistically these are it.

[@chessmaster704]

There is a reason Trump wasn't his normal self. The last time he went super aggressive it came off as bullying and suburban women dislike that.

[@kaisersoymilk6912]

Why do you want a fiscally conservative candidate? Are you rich? Do you know what progressive taxation is?

[@insertoyouroemail]

​@@kaisersoymilk6912 You don't need to be rich to want fiscally conservative politics.

[@Tential1]

​@@kaisersoymilk6912yes I do. Do you know what a private jet is? I can relocate.... You can't raise taxes indefinitely. If you just keep raising taxes and spending, you end up like Europe. They have zero to negative per capita gdp growth now. Even dev admits, the Canadian Healthcare system is falling apart. The countries where your ideals most work, utilize the American stock market lol. Norway, and countries like it are able to do their progressive utopia because they take their oil money and invest in the American stock market.

[@PsychoIncarnate666]

Your arguments against Trump feel like you are calling someone a liar for saying "It's raining cats and dogs" because it's not literally raining cats and dogs.

[@Humpsterlicious]

Yeah he takes trump making a comparison or making up a situation to provide context to a point as false or invalid because it's not factual.

[@kobeh6185]

Directly misquoted a person is not the same as using idioms, and usually when a politician this important says "best ______ in history", that's not an idiom either. The issue here is that a bunch of people (including many I have met or know), believe him when he says "we had the best _______ under my presidency" regardless of whether or not that's true.

[@joesmith701]

@@kobeh6185 sure however Dev is being needlessly nit-picky when he doesn't even cover what Biden said which many of his talking points being just as at odds with the truth as Trumps.

[@AngryAlfonse]

This. There are a few things that are more blatant lies than others, but even the most extreme lies weren't as bad as Biden's lies. Ex. post-birth abortion. Is it happening? No, but they do still want abortion literally up until birth On the other hand, the "very fine people hoax," which isn't hyperbole, it isn't stretching the truth, it is just a straight up indefensible lie

[@kazekamiha]

Okay. And the rest of Dev's points? On the tariffs? The 'open immigration'? Look, I prefer Trump to Biden on 90% of it but he's neither perfect or always on the ball.

[@intruefaith7612]

Bought some hardware cloth back in 2019 for building a duck pen. Cost me 250$ total for three 4'x50' rolls. That's 150' worth. Yesterday I had to buy more of it to replace part of the roof for the pen. Purchased four 4'x25' rolls since the 50' are no longer in store. Cost me 415$ for 100' worth. I don't give two shots what some obese maple leaf has to say about Trump, things were a thousand times better beforehand and I pray he comes back. The whole damn world is doomed if centrists and leftists remain in any semblance of power.

[@collaboration3511]

"Um I think you'll find that the debate moderators said that groceries have only gone up 20% in the last 4 years so this story must be a far right conspiracy theory 100% confirmed." Dev probably

[@Good_Emperor]

Dev, I think you're really downplaying how evil "if that's what the mother wanted" is.

[@extyr]

Dev, why do you keep antagonizing you audience like a teenage troll? You call it gatekeeping your audience, but it comes off with the same energy as those game journalists with their "gamers are over" articles. You're simply burning goodwill and credibility for no discernable reason. You come off as an egomaniac, just like Tim Pool does. When was the last time you admitted you were wrong and your audience was right? Calling everyone leftoid and rightoids is as cringe as incels using femoid.

[@ShortFatOtaku]

most of the comments are not critiques of anything i said, they're just insults or "you're wrong" with no actual substance. why would i consider any of them? a few comments have actually laid out problems in a civil manner and i've read those and appreciated them. but no, i have no problem burning goodwill with people who think "dev L" constitutes a well-reasoned response. fuck 'em

[@josephlinden1630]

@@ShortFatOtakuno you’re just coping because people are saying on point critiques about the stupid shit you said mixed with some well deserved insults. How about instead of being a little Bitch about this you man up and say I might have made a mistake.

[@awakened2742]

@@ShortFatOtaku IM DEBOONKINGGGGG!!!

[@Musicmedia4421]

@@ShortFatOtaku IDK bro... There were some reasonable criticisms I've seen on your take regarding the economy and Northam. Plus, you criticized Trump for not being totally belligerent like he had been despite the fact that there were rules in place that made that difficult. It also seemed like that was the play. Why wouldn't Trump act with a more mild demeanor when one of the main reasons independents are hesitant to vote for him is how bombastic he can be? In interviews post-conviction, he said he would have testified had his lawyers not told him to stay off the stand. It's more accurate based off already-existing evidence that it is more likely intentional that he was more low energy in the debate. I'm convinced you haven't seen him speak recently outside of this debate. I wouldn't blame you for not paying too much attention considering you are Canadian though.

[@jacobbaker5442]

@@ShortFatOtaku that is an outright lie

[@metroidman3893]

We take Trump seriously, but not literally. You take Trump literally, but not seriously. You have TDS Dev.

[@ImAMenace]

this, no one has said it better

[@DawudSandstorm2]

This sounds like a statement of faith more than a statement of political alignment. I've heard Muslims say this exact thing about the Quran and the fact you say this for a political candidate is a bit disturbing.

[@voskresenie-]

​@@DawudSandstorm2 What? no, Muslims take the Quran literally. That's a core part of Islam. You're thinking of Christianity - you know, the best religion that has ever existed, with the most moral followers and societies of any significant demographic that has ever existed.

[@DawudSandstorm2]

@@voskresenie- No they don't. They're heavily reliant on Hadiths and interpretations because the Quran itself is incomprehensible and contradictory (speaking from personal experience reading it). That's like the third thing you learn in Islamic theology, the importance of Hadith, but granted most people, including Muslims, know nothing about Islam - so that can be excused.

[@crimsonking440]

So devs gonna pretend that Joe DIDNT lie the entire time, is that what I'm hearing in the first two minutes?

[@megazombiekiller9000]

Uncle Joe is a bastion of Truth and Honesty of course. He’s more honest than Abe! /s

[@ShortFatOtaku]

please let this be a troll

[@Grizzalslice]

@@ShortFatOtaku "no soldier died under my presidency" - joe biden

[@PineapplePinesol]

@@ShortFatOtaku Dev, Biden lied a whole bunch. I get that you hate Trump but let's be fair here.

[@kerm7657]

@@ShortFatOtaku dev you did something pretty sneaky in this video by including just 1 of Bidens lies at the very end so you could go “see I’m being fair and balanced” The dude lied just as much as trump did if not more yet you go with the “Biden was old and sleepy but trump just lied so much” barely even giving Biden a slap on the wrist for his lies I counted 3 lies just in his opening statement alone he also lied about trumps position at least twice (you pointed out one with the other being Biden saying trump wants a “national abortion ban” which he doesn’t) and he repeated the “very fine people” hoax that even snopes recognizes at this point was a hoax I’m sure if I rewatch the debate and keep notes that list will double I could go more in depth but it’s 2am where I am and I need to go to sleep

[@MrDj232]

"I can walk you through how I'm SUPPOSED to see it and say it..." The problem with modern Democrats in a nutshell. Had they nominated a real candidate like Tulsi Gabbard 4 years ago this wouldn't be an issue.

[@Joogoo96]

This. So much fucking this. Hell, I would have voted for her.

[@amorencinteroph3428]

@@Joogoo96 She had a god awful take on gun control back then, and some other issues with a socialist leaning past, but she definitely had the poise and dignity to be a solid pick.

[@LadyHawke78]

Strictly speaking on who I would want to see as Commander in Chief, then Tulsi is head and shoulders above these two octogenarians.

[@MrDj232]

​@@amorencinteroph3428 She was a Democrat back then, those things are to be expected. But she was centrist enough to serve as a unifying force, would have been a big win for the party as the first female president, and she's young enough that age alone would make her more appealing than Trump. She could have done everything Biden did and this election would still be a lock for her.

[@josephahner3031]

Dev unironically using the stock market as an econometric. Stocks go up with inflation. Inflation is bad.

[@ryanhorton3248]

Super funny that Biden brought up the 'very fine people on both sides' and said that was why he ran for President. I wasn't really paying attention to politics back when that story happened, and then I saw how the MSM spun that, and then Biden as well. That and how the BLM riots were characterized made me lose complete trust in the MSM.

[@evilweevle]

Me too. As soon as i heard him say that i groaned and rolled my eyes so hard. That was one of the moments that made me realise i couldnt take MSM seriously too. And the fact they still bring it up years later when it is so blatently false (and people actually believe it to be true) is so wild to me. Even if you dont like trump you should be able to see how incredibly dangerous the gaslighting is. Just believe anything we say and dont question it. I dont know how these people can sleep at night and think they are on "the right side of history".

[@ChiefCrewin]

What's even funnier is about a week before the debate, SNOPES of all places debunked the "both sides" hoax.

[@keksehexe]

"Ackshully, it was more like $175 billion given to Ukraine." $200 billion is easier to remember, and it could eventually reach that point by November. Seems to be splitting hairs.

[@stickmandrawing1140]

Most of tge money given isnt actually straight up money most of it is the value of the weapons they five ukraine. And that money gets pumped back into the ecmmconemy when they build replacements and its mostly older vehicles and weaoonry donated. And i mean like they have been sitting in storage for a while not that they have been here since 1965. Im gonna clarify im not a biden supporter i think he is a bit ya know. But i just wanna clarify we arent actually sending them straight up money its that moneys value in vehicles and weapons.

[@73rmin8r]

Example number 6,564,653 of why nobody should listen to Canadians about American politics.

[@lightworker2956]

Before watching this video, I underestimated the power of TDS.

[@flatterkatz]

gotta give it to the first guy in your screenshot at 21:47. "lied" and "said things that are untrue" are factually the same, but one implies intent the other doesn't. And this is kinda your TDS - when it comes to trump, you always assume intent, when it comes to anyone else you rarely do.

[@ShortFatOtaku]

i don't always assume intent with trump - i also recognize he is an idiot

[@Grizzalslice]

@@ShortFatOtaku can't admit he's wrong on trump lol

[@ShortFatOtaku]

@@Grizzalslice because i'm not

[@lavaeater5]

@@ShortFatOtaku That's not better.

[@Grizzalslice]

@@ShortFatOtaku case and point

[@e69alpha]

Trump was actually very surprising collected. He didn't trip on anything except the golf bit. He came out with nanomachines son.

[@jlGenozzV]

It's very funny that the only part the got Trump to heat up was his golf ability.

[@jacksonguillory8114]

​@jlGenozzV I didn't remember that from the debate lol Seems very Trump-y tbh *TRUMP 2024*

[@e69alpha]

@jacksonguillory8114 like he didn't interrupt or anything but when joe challenged his golf game he turned into 2016 trump lmao

[@bvoyelr]

Even the golf thing was a win -- Biden provoked HIM with a childish attack, he retorted a little bit, but once he got in a few jabs, he finished with "but let's not act like children."

[@xandercruz900]

Uh.............so what is the "discussion to be had" if a child survives an abortion attempt, Dev?

[@ShortFatOtaku]

he didn't say "survives an abortion attempt". its like you didnt listen

[@xandercruz900]

@@ShortFatOtaku Yeah, I actually did. Precisely why is that kid alive and waiting for a discussion, then If there was no abortion attempt? Like are you serious here? Without the abortion attempt, it's just a REGULAR birth.

[@Thecrocodiemanmask]

​@@ShortFatOtaku Answer the question.

[@KnightofChaosDeck]

@@xandercruz900 27:45 - 29:24 This is the timespan of the Gavin Newsom clip. The part that you would be referring to is in the 28:07 - 28:47 range. Now, where did Gavin Newsom say the words 'abortion attempt'? Answer- He didn't. In the second timespan I gave, the hypothetical clearly has him saying 'the baby will be delivered' meaning that NATURAL BIRTH is occurrring. Even if I give you the point that he is referring to a failed abortion attempt (even though the moment is talking about when that woman said 'yes' to an abortion happening during birth)- one of the conditions he states is that the baby has a serious fetal defect and wouldn't survive. The death would not be caused by the doctors attempting to kill the baby- it would be from a natural defect. And at that point, the decision between prolonging the child's life through pallative care vs. killing the child quickly becomes just another part of the debate between surviving but in terrible condition vs. killing to end suffering debate. All in all- You were wrong from the start. The clip proved you wrong in the first place. In order for you to have a point, we would have to ignore what Newsom actually said and insert a different meaning. You know, that thing the left did when Trump was talking about MS13 gang members and Charloettesvile. And let me tell you- you are going to lose the centrist/average person vote. That's how the left lost it in the first place.

[@xandercruz900]

@@KnightofChaosDeck "Now, where did Gavin Newsom say the words 'abortion attempt'?" Same place Galvin Newsom talked about anything.... Now, listing to the clip more than 3 times, he gave two examples as to where he thinks this could happen (him saying may be) deformed or "non-viable". Shite that is a pretty d@mn wide spectrum. And that leads to a simple question:" If this child is born with deformities and/or doesnt die....WHAT IS THE DISCUSSION TO BE HAD?

[@isk8nyc]

I'm sorry Dev, Northrum is objectively not saying doctors would talk about weather or not it's worth it to desperately try to save a infants life. He's also not clearly saying the fetus would be killed either. But considering that this is brought up in the context of abortion & why it's justified when the fetus has mass deformities. End this topic if further bookend with men shouldn't be telling women what to do with their body, because most legislators are men. But considering the left wings positions on A. Euthanasia is a moral good when there's no other choice. --AND--- B. A belief that you have morality on your side so the ends justify the means (Left wing ideology) That highly suggests post partum abortion would be on the table and moral if it's done to limit suffering. While I don't think my comments are disingenuous to the left wing position, I do think your argument is overingernuous to this position and made on assumption of thing never claimed.

[@DantinozMC]

TDS Dev is back lesgo

[@ShortFatOtaku]

well... there it is

[@aussieglizzy6998]

@@ShortFatOtaku Damn, you really gottem

[@ertawanderer1062]

​@@ShortFatOtaku Dev, We all watched your last video. Most of us are just trolling you.

[@rezonxthepiggert9647]

​@@ShortFatOtakuHard to believe Biden won on most facts when he was always a political failure. Makes matters worse is that he would must likely lose to Trump if Today was the election dude.

[@KaNoMikoProductions]

@@Unpainted_Huffhines It's really silly to put a bait in the video, then move on without addressing it, and pretend it's unreasonable that people took your not addressing it and instead moving on as if you weren't going to address it and instead just move on.

[@wusuosaltchannel4922]

"revenge and retribution never built a damn thing" says the guy who started 2 proxy wars with Russia.

[@guardiantko3220]

You're gunna have to point out any good biden has done for us, buddy. Love your content. But nothing has been good since biden.

[@ShortFatOtaku]

CHIPS act, the bipartisan infrastructure act

[@swyjix]

Nah, the CHIPS is a bunch of corporatist bullshit, with some good ole DEI thrown in. Just once I wish the government wouldn’t grant subsidies, and instead lower taxes.

[@joshuawadsworth6417]

​@@ShortFatOtaku That was Congress, not Biden.

[@MinhNguyen-pk9qk]

​@@ShortFatOtakuOnly those two?

[@guardiantko3220]

@@ShortFatOtaku lmao.

[@NotAPsyop]

Nah. The enlightened centrist argument of "le both are equally bad" doesn't work here is obvious that Trump was holding up in the debate as to not appear like a bully beating an senile grandpa.

[@Nylon_riot]

We don't care about looks, we are adults, we care about policy. Just like Joe he supported censorship. He shredded the Iran deal and is trying to backpedal. They both want to tariff Chynah. While I love the spirit, this just raises costs for small businesses and citizens. The last tv maker in the country went out under Trump. Trump also made that bump stock ban. pros: he doesn't support reading corn to kids.

[@NezzConstantine]

Also, in past debates the mics were all on. So, he could get in his zingers and jabs. No point in trying that when your mic is muted and people can't hear you.

[@lightworker2956]

Indeed. If Trump WAS being combative, I'm sure that Dev would be saying that he lost the debate because Trump interrupted too much / was mean / was unpresidential.

[@brentramsten249]

dont usually see a 66/33ish split in the like/dislike ratio... guess thats what happens when you deliberately bait someone and then do a reveal more than halfway through

[@lisapop5219]

Imho, i don't think the context (for some reason, people don't think prolife people heard it) changes anything. He still said that after a viable baby (it's delivered & still alive), should be allowed to kill it because they want to. It was specifically asked to the point of crowning and it was answered yes. Northam then spoke about what happened to the baby after. I'm sorry, that is extreme af. For those who don't know, viability is around 22 weeks depending. Heartbeat (aka life) is 6-8weeks)

[@IcarusActual]

dev you talk about the GDP, unemployment, and the stock market. yet you omit inflation, grocery prices, gas prices, car prices, house prices. all of which were way better under trump than biden

[@HalfDecentTrashCollection2001]

reddit voice "got em"

[@KaNoMikoProductions]

You said inflation twice, fyi

[@92356101]

@@KaNoMikoProductions Also further note that the unemployment statistic only counts people who are both unemployed and actively looking for work. So people who have checked out of the system don't count on that.

[@Ingwerzebra]

​@@KaNoMikoProductionsit's getting really bad. Probably good to emphasize it

[@amorencinteroph3428]

@@themeangene To be fair, on the GLOBAL STAGE, the US has done 'reasonably well' over the last four years compared to other developed or developing countries. So that's something to be considered when reading a foreigners statements on how bad the US is doing. He doesn't experience the actual impact it has in the States, he only has the impact he feels in Canada, then compares that with the Data that shows the US has been better to try and draw a conclusion. Although at least from Australia, its hard to see that Inflation hasn't been cooking the books since, since prices of groceries have practically doubled and rents are something like 20-50% higher, yet the official cumulative inflation is only at something like 13%, And guess what your wages are pegged against. 😫

[@vincetyler8416]

You’re right, Dev. I’ve looked through the comments and seen plenty of snarky quips about your criticism of Trump. However, I think I can sum it up as this. Trump says “I had the best economy ever” and you label that a lie because there were times throughout history when our economy was better. This comes off as a bit autistic. Everyone in the US has been feeling the economic crunch over these last 4 years. Trumps economy may not have been the LITERAL best but it was not only good but better than it is now going in a direction that people wanted.

[@wyssmaster]

During Trump's term the stock market saw a record number of record highs, this after seeing one of the most dramatic spikes we've seen immediately after the election. Is this the single most accurate way to measure the economy? No , but combine that with decades low unemployment, rising wages, incredibly low inflation, substantially lower gas and energy costs etc, and you have an incredibly robust economy that is clearly better than we've seen in decades. Dev's deboonking is looking at a couple small-scale metrics and then an index from Trump's final year in office (when most of the country was under lockdown) and then claiming that ACKSHUALLY we're better off now, despite absurdly high inflation, embarrassingly low job numbers, other BS the media uses to cover for the tanking economy like "shrinkflation" etc

[@ismaelapellido2666]

Dev mistake GDP vs GDP GROWST is funny ngl

[@KrunkDiddelyUmptious]

He pointed to numbers that don't mean anything for the layman to rebutt that... The difference in economic outlook during Trump's administration vs the one before and the one after was palpable

[@Clonehelmethole]

The "lies" of trump is just him speaking like a business man

[@ShortFatOtaku]

is that an excuse

[@adrianalexanderveidt344]

@@ShortFatOtaku Hey, Dev, why on earth is your comment section always swarmed by these sycophants? Reading through these comments is akin to visiting a mosque as an infidel.

[@amedeo909]

@@ShortFatOtaku -_- Is that for an answer

[@Jaco059]

@@ShortFatOtakuand of the lies of Biden you say zinc heil mein king

[@ThatDamnedGamer1]

@@ShortFatOtaku Your reaching so damn hard that you are dislocating every bone in your body.