Analyzing the Hertl Trade to Vegas

I don't see this as the fleecing of the Sharks that many do. I understand why the move was made.
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[@bdonaghu]

Logan Couture looking around for San Jose's old core like Will Smith in the empty house in the Fresh Prince of Bel Air...

[@JustAnotherRandyG]

Funny enough he’s actually looking at Will Smith right now

[@baueranthony54]

or that john travolta meme looking around like, "where'd everybody go?"

[@JohnoO_O_]

He's next on the trade block

[@kftc1980]

@@JohnoO_O_is he even movable? 8M, no $ retention slots, worse injury history, older, less productive. He will probably just stick around and lead the kids.

[@dustinrhodes4793]

​@@JohnoO_O_he said he won't waive his no movement. Unless this trade or something else changes his mind

[@ekim4363]

Sharks should’ve started their rebuild two seasons ago. Vegas is aggressive and willing to deal top prospects and draft picks.

[@TheScotian82]

Today in All Things Obvious 😄👍

[@kftc1980]

@@TheScotian82apparently not so obvious to the decision makers in SJ

[@pneumans]

Vegas will be junk in 2 years and have no talent in the pipeline

[@kftc1980]

@@pneumans they are a desirable free agent destination, they can fall back on that as needed.

[@pneumans]

@@kftc1980 if you say so

[@redleader2187]

17% retention for a long term deal is wild

[@brown_recidivist]

Phoenix retained 12% of OEL's contract when they traded him to Vancouver lol

[@Cup_in_6]

@@brown_recidivist got the 9 overall pick for it.. and definitely not for 6 years

[@RK-fh4bp]

Yeah it’s insane to do it for 6 years and not even get anything amazing in return. Best case, this is probably an 18th pick. They could’ve gotten more for sure. When I first heard the trade, I thought those third round picks were going from Vegas to SJ and I still thought it was a bad trade by SJ…then you find out those third round picks actually went to Vegas 😂

[@Deenaziamazinjg14]

@@Cup_in_6yes for 6 years 8 year contract started in 19-20 and he was traded summer 21 (2 years) 6 years retained.

[@tdpc45]

The knee problem

[@GrillVogel]

This is nightmare fuel for Sharks fans

[@kftc1980]

The contracts were the nightmare, this is the waking up confused and upset part.

[@FFSRayy]

Not as bad as for sens fans at least

[@rushilb6]

This is nightmare fuel for everyone in the west

[@sobannazir8216]

This is called properly rebuilding

[@GrillVogel]

@@sobannazir8216 there are 30 other teams in the NHL besides Vegas

[@Wayf4rer]

Death, taxes, and Mark stone getting injured just in time to Vegas to load up at the trade deadline.

[@neeltheother2342]

You're acting like he cut up one of his organs as a team friendly gesture and that Vegas is doing fine rn. Jesus...

[@name-vi6fs]

​@neeltheother2342 yeah, it's looking more like 2022-23 than 23-24 right now. People forget how valuable Stone is to the team. Not just scoring, but in leadership.

[@watching9317]

ah yes the tampa fan is say vegas is cheating, irony

[@Wayf4rer]

@@watching9317Remind me again who voted to close the salary cap loophole after the Hawks beat the Lightning in 2015. Ah, right, there were only two teams who did. The Lightning and the Blues. Perhaps we should talk about how the Kucherov situation only worked out because of the shortened season, which just so happened to line up with the exact timeline needed to get labrum repairs done, rehab and all. Verified by every other NHL player who has had the same procedures and returned on the same timelines. But yeah, how dare anyone be upset that the same team has had the exact same player go down three years in a row with three different injuries all right before the deadline so his team can load up.

[@lelouchvibritannia4028]

I wouldn't be surprised if that's exactly what he did. @@neeltheother2342

[@thetamation9863]

As a Sharks fan, it is just so sad that Hertl is going to Vegas of all places. Feels like I'm wearing the nightmare vision goggles.

[@murrethmedia]

My deepest sympathies to the Hertl family on this dark day.

[@jayscott1380]

As a VGK fan I hope Hertl wins a Cup.

[@murrethmedia]

So you're hoping he gets traded again?@@jayscott1380

[@DanRaidersWarriorsSharksGiants]

The sharks are at least 4 years away from being a realistic contender and this frees up a lot of cap room right away.

[@agentshadow7456]

4 weeks later Hertl hasn't quite played for Vegas yet but just gotta hope in the end of the season he gets a bit of chemistry with his teammates with Vegas even though he will have only like 3 or 4 games left when he returns most likely. But I feel bad for The Sharks as all of their best players are gone. Erik Karlsson, Anthony Duclair and Hertl all gone. Must be a living heck.

[@mightymacaque]

Being reminded Hertl is 30 makes me feel older than i wanted to today

[@steves1390]

When men get older we blossom, love yourself

[@mightymacaque]

@@steves1390 thank you, tryin' 🙂

[@pierrepellerin249]

Don't feel bad. I saw the Toronto Maple Leafs win a Stanley Cup which mean Hertl's parents were still in diapers when I was already watching hockey. Now that makes you feel old.

[@mightymacaque]

@@pierrepellerin249 i actually think that's really cool. Not sure if you're a Leafs fan, but I'm glad you got to see that.

[@pierrepellerin249]

@@mightymacaque no, definitely not a Leafs fan. I am a Habs fan and I have seen my team win 12 Stanley cups :)

[@SeanZetterlund]

As a Sharks fan, all I have to say is that I'm a Sharks fan. And see you in 2030 🤪

[@diffizzle8630]

😂😂😂😂

[@Sharks256]

I'm with you brother 😂

[@ColonizerChan]

Mood

[@rickc3291]

I am hoping it is sooner than 2030 but am afraid you may be right. 😡

[@kyten4444]

I'll be there

[@VGKDean]

Two things to consider. Hertl had a full NMC, so he had to approve it. Also, playing in Nevada saves him about 6 million dollars in state taxes.

[@hyperNight]

Hertl to a division rival is bad enough, but LV? Cmon man

[@kftc1980]

The Sharks don’t have any rivals in their current state. You have to be good for a rivalry to mean anything.

[@DanRaidersWarriorsSharksGiants]

Paying 8 mill to Hertl while still picking in the top 5 of the draft makes his contract insane.

[@jeffreym.8957]

@@DanRaidersWarriorsSharksGiants But the NHL CBA forces you to pay some players - there is a thing called the Cap Floor.

[@DanRaidersWarriorsSharksGiants]

@@jeffreym.8957 It is easy to reach the cap floor and it is legal to play cap games where you trade for a high contract but the player is owed very little in cash. Many playoff teams will trade draft picks and ahl prospects for cap space. Not something to worry about yet.

[@DanRaidersWarriorsSharksGiants]

@@jeffreym.8957 Sharks will have no problem doing that without him.

[@RikkaTCG]

Breaking News: Shannon “The Hockey Guy” Skanes has been traded to the Vegas Golden Knights

[@ronenson1023]

KZbin will retain 10% of his contract

[@AgAg-yn3cv]

Shannon the next Nathan gerbe

[@TheScotian82]

😄🫡

[@donnybrook5671]

He could do his videos inside Studio 31 at CNA.

[@tankgirl99]

I think the biggest issue here for sharks fans isn't that he was traded, or even what we got as we all know he's 30, has dodgy knees and is in the 2nd year or a big 8 year contract is that it's Vegas. Literally any other team it wouldn't hurt so much and would be easier to wish him all the best. Guessing he had asked to be traded though as he had a NMC.

[@MooCowKris]

This is it. There are 30 other teams and it had to be freaking VEGAS?? The hockey gods laugh at my pain

[@tankgirl99]

@@MooCowKris hurts so much being Vegas

[@Mr.Quinlan888]

Kelly McCrimmon is coming for you next Shannon. Get ready to move to Vegas.

[@CC-of5xl]

Good for him. He now gets to take a couple months off every season before the playoffs.

[@bukelos2804]

This is a player that didn't play anywhere else but Sharks since he joined NHL so it's huge no matter how it will turn out. I still remember 19 year old Hertl and his goal between the legs, that was epic night for him. Sad to see him go but I think this was inevitable, Hertl wanted to play in a better team and Sharks needed to dump expensive contract. Vegas definetly boosted their ranks in this trade deadline

[@ianhall6614]

I knew and wanted Hertl to get traded but god damn why did it have to be to Vegas. Literally any other team and I could still root for him but not now. Good bye my sweet prince…

[@zacharyyamashita8554]

I could care less about where he goes as long as we continue our great rebuild in the right direction, and eventually let Couture and Vlasic walk.

[@lmontano8190]

i love Hertl but it made sense. Last guy left from holiday sweater gone

[@jonmendelson1104]

Looking at my Sharks stuff, pretty much everyone's gone... I have plaques from Burns, Pavelski, and Herlt Bobblehead (or bobblewaist) from Burns, Pavelski, Nolan, Jones, Donskoi, Hertl, Jumbo, Sommer, and Kane. Stick signed by James Sheppard and Andrew Desjardins Several Marleau things Doug Wilson banner from when he was honored Thornton jersey, signed Marleau jersey, and the only thing that's still slightly current...signed Couture jersey.

[@lmontano8190]

@@jonmendelson1104 oh me too, I am old i have cards and things from early 90s. I have the Irbe action figure ahahaha. Jealous of your signed sticks! i loved Shep!

[@Sharks256]

I... need to update my life insurance policy

[@toddgoudberg7687]

Shannon, sorry for the cat comment during the live stream...I was absolutely floored by this news. Years ago, I took a break from hockey because of the heartbreaking track record the Sharks have in the playoffs and when I started watching again this season with my son, I was happy to see a few familiar faces. I was able to tell him stories of the Sharks' "Glory Days" and Hertl quickly became my son's favorite player despite the season we've had. It's gonna be hard to break the news to him. Ironically, tonight at SAP center they are having an event to wine and dine potential season ticket holders for next season. That's gonna be a hard sell for a fan base who just lost their two leading scorers and the player who held this team together while the Couture was out with an unknown injury. I understand the financials behind the trade, but Grier should be ashamed to trade such a legend to a rival team.

[@DanRaidersWarriorsSharksGiants]

8 mill of cap room to hertl and the team is still bad doesnt help the sharks win or rebuild. Grier wanted the 2 first round players and the 6 mill of cap space to rebuild the team. Who cares what the knights do.

[@dreamswet8019]

@@DanRaidersWarriorsSharksGiants Rebuilds are fun and all until you end up in the perpetual rebuild cycle like Arizona and Buffalo, even Ottawa and Columbus to an extent.

[@DanRaidersWarriorsSharksGiants]

@@dreamswet8019 Didnt all 4 give out bad contracts too which is why they in the cycle? Flipping 1 year contracts for profit like duclair and doing cap dump trades like mtl did can pay off. Many teams pay out big contracts without any proof the team can actually win 2 rounds in the playoffs first. 1 or 2 really good players isnt going to matter.

[@dreamswet8019]

​@@DanRaidersWarriorsSharksGiants 1 or 2 really good players is indeed going to matter because if you trade them away there's no guarantee you're gonna get someone that's half as good as them let alone be a franchise players like Hertl, Brent Burns, and Joe Pavelski were. I'm also of the opinion that San Jose didn't need a full rebuild more of a retool and for the life of me cannot figure out why they blew up the entire team after making the conference finals. I guess management wanted to watch the team play dead hockey full of many of the same sloppy mistakes week in week out while selling maybe 3k seats. Give it another year or two and there will be people talking about moving the team due to "poor ticketing sales" and your random draft picks aren't gonna count for much then.

[@DanRaidersWarriorsSharksGiants]

@@dreamswet8019 Who cares if they do or not. There is no point paying big money contracts when you rebuilding unless its a 1 year deal you can flip. You want cheap players like the 2 firsts contracts combined. They have cap problems from wilsons mistakes.

[@poonking3628]

:o I’m actually floored by this. I hate Vegas so goddamn much 😭

[@ekim4363]

Vegas is doing things through the current rules. SJ wants to get this contract off the books.

[@iansteelmatheson]

@@ekim4363 just because something is allowed within the rules doesn't mean we have to like it, or not advocate for changing them.

[@beertrader9385]

Lol get over it

[@joeydrummer7929]

@@iansteelmathesonthat’s totally fine but people need to stop saying Vegas is cheating. They factually aren’t. They’re playing by current rules .

[@gregjohnson247]

LOL .... HERE'S A CRYING TOWEL WITH A VGK LOGO ON IT FOR YA' .... LMAO

[@nimward8492]

Haven’t even watch the vid yet, but thank you. I needed this

[@lail8262]

Hertl going to Vegas hurts. The salary retention makes this sting even more

[@zacharyyamashita8554]

Good for him, as a fair weather sharks fan myself, let the Great Rebuild continue.

[@cousinit718]

I hope the picks the SHARKS get will be wonderful contributors.

[@PuckLuckChuck19]

Great stream Shannon! 🙏

[@starbright451]

Edstrom was really solid in last world juniors.

[@metsunie]

Thank you, THG for bringing wisdom to the hockey community. So many people were saying Sharks got heavily fleeced with the Timo Meier trade, and the Erik Karlsson trade and both trades ended up being nice for the Sharks. Sure now, we only have one prospect that is projected as a 3rd line stud (which would have been Hertl position in a couple of years by the time the rebuild is over). It stinks a lot and emotionally shattered as a Sharks fan, but it had to be done, Grier isn't shy to really tear it down even if the cost was that high. Only Couture and Vlasic are left now, and Vlasic is serviceable for now, and Couture.. injuries are bothering him more and more so we'll see Now Sharks hopefully can get Celebrini

[@vipeholmskolan6052]

It's going to take Grier a while to clean up after Wilson.

[@jonmendelson1104]

To be fair, that one's not entirely on Wilson. The signing was done by Joe Will while DW was on his leave of absence.

[@zacharyyamashita8554]

Bad enough, let's hope Grier builds something special in San Jose for the future.@@jonmendelson1104

[@ominousflames14]

What is missing in this trade talk is now that Vegas traded away their 1st from 2025, the Flames get their unprotected 2026 first round pick, as a part of the conditional 1st pick in the Hanifin trade.

[@cgaydas]

In other news, Vegas puts half their players on LTIR as well as 3 coaches.

[@justinaskins2156]

San Jose cleared that hertl for sure

[@jeffreym.8957]

Good one.

[@Staxxx23]

On the surface it looks as thought the knights won this trade, however when you really look into the details SJ got the better end, Hertl is 30 he’s on pace for about 20-25 goals he isn’t a ppg player, and on top of that his contract is bad for the next 6 years, sharks on the other hand got a good prospect a 2025 1st round pick and only 17% retention, yeah those two additional picks weren’t necessarily good imo, but u gotta do what u can to retain under 2milion for the next 6 years.

[@Staxxx23]

Just how in the beginning of the season people thought dubas fleeced grier with the karlsson trade, look at how it panned out now the 1st round pick is lookin like it’s going to be 12-15

[@DanRaidersWarriorsSharksGiants]

The sharks cant lose this trade since they had no chance at a cup win with hertl staying. Grier has 6 mill to spend and 2 first round prospects.

[@DanRaidersWarriorsSharksGiants]

S Grier getting 6 mill to spend will help the rebuild more.

[@jeffreym.8957]

He's playing with terrible quality linemates this season, though, right? He's going to a great team, now.

[@jeffreym.8957]

@@Staxxx23 You can't judge a trade, though, by some fluky happenstance afterwards. You made the trade thinking it's a mid-FRP at best. Even if you win the lottery - that's great, but just chance. Karlsson has played well for the Pens - Letang and Malkin are bringing it down... I don't think the Hertl trade is horrible. I'm just surprised they couldn't have grabbed more.

[@thedoomster6133]

@TheHockeyGuy: one correction - Burns contract ends after the 24-25 season. So one of the salary retaining slots frees up after the end of the 24-25 season. They can't retain any salary if they trade anyone until the 2025 season.

[@danameyy]

When I saw the news I thought it was a sick joke

[@POSS99]

When Vegas GM gets fired I bet 31 other teams will be calling him. The best front office in the league.

[@jonasgorea3823]

No way sj gave up picks… just an awful trade for them

[@bonnet1810]

bad contract, they had to.

[@obey2dmax]

Same as last year when the Kings had to unload Petersen's anchor contract.

[@sakalaathletics]

Should have traded Hertl last year.

[@vinceh6976]

It would be halerious if vegas didn't make the playoffs.

[@kftc1980]

@@sakalaathleticsmaybe no one wanted him then, and/or he wasn’t willing to go.

[@ColonizerChan]

I'm just glad this didn't happen before the all star game. But ugh, Vegas, best of luck to him

[@TennesseeBlues4642]

Vegas is smart plain and simple

[@heyitsbranigan]

I think an exception to the declaring winners and losers of trades has to be the Tarasenko trade. WOOF

[@csolivais1979]

Not really that bad considering he had a full no movement clause. Either let him walk for nothing or get what little you could

[@heyitsbranigan]

@@csolivais1979 it's not hard to get two potential buyers that he would waive it for (NYR & FLA off the top of my head) to increase the price to be at LEAST a 2nd.

[@theyankeesamurai23]

As a Sharks fan this was a move that should’ve been made years ago. Now all we have left is to hope draft high in the coming draft and hope our prospects develop. And this is all a gamble.

[@jeffreym.8957]

Finishing last doubles your chances of getting Macklin - who should be a star.

[@greglehming]

Sharks haven't been able to go big fish hunting for free agents since going after John Tavares (probably a good thing they "missed out"). I'll miss the energy Hertl brought to the team, but I'm a Sharks fan who's eager to see what Grier does with all this upcoming cap space.

[@Tdesparza]

Sharks are freaking out, rightfully and wrongly. I think it’s a good trade but the 3rds and the team getting Hertl hurts.

[@TheLarknessMonster]

It's a horrible trade. Giving up your 2nd best player, 2 3rd round picks and retaining 17% cap hit, for a late 1st round pick and a 32nd overall pick that probably wont score more than 40 points ever? Hertl was drafted 17th overall and still is a 50-70 point player .

[@TheLarknessMonster]

@@mannyoliveira776 Detroit is not still technically in a rebuild. We have the deepest prospect pool out of any NHL team by far and two of our prospects are at an elite level already. Then Veleno and Rasmussen both at 26 points is solid and Larkin/Debrincat still 26/27 years old. We just need better defense besides Seider and Walman, which is found in our AHL/junior leagues right now. I don't even know who we would trade at the deadline besides maybe Kane, which wouldnt be a good idea considering Detroit is #1 wildcard spot with 2 games in hand.

[@DanRaidersWarriorsSharksGiants]

@@TheLarknessMonster Grier gets over 6 mill of cap space which is a lot when rebuilding. If the sharks are not a contender for 5 years Grier can get multiple prospects or 1 year contract players like Duclair he can retrade at the deadline. Hertls 8 mill of cap doesnt really help the sharks win or rebuild.

[@J-R__]

⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠@@DanRaidersWarriorsSharksGiants You make it sound like not contending for 5 (more) years is a good thing. That’s a long time. Grier probably won’t last 5 years if they’re still rebuilding. It will be more difficult to re-trade players at the deadline because they can’t retain salary. They also can’t retain on 3-way trades and get extra picks that way

[@DeanHenry-hm9bd]

The Tank is really going to be light attendance wise, I reminisce about the old times when 17,253 pack the Tank every single night for seasons on.

[@ronweasley4767]

Can’t wait to see him and Stone both playing in the playoffs

[@KevinBrevin]

I know your picks are still dallas and devils but any new picks to come out of the east and west?

[@Nathanielhiggerson66]

he said on the livestream Avs out of the west, idk east probably panthers

[@SuperDevmister]

Hopefully this deal will show other GM’s to be more creative in the future this deal is wicked for Vegas to contend next year again easily

[@VonCurry8]

I want to see Vegas's depth chart after the deadline geez Louise

[@Xatalion]

Sharks got Vitek Vanecek from NJDevils trade

[@dcfog81]

Sharks still have 2 more years of the Jones buyout on the books as well after this season

[@carparthero]

like vegas or not, they don't sit on their hands. most teams and fanbases will bellyache about how it's hard to win, and then there's 4-5 teams that do what it takes, in terms of taking risks, to ice a competitive p-off team. this is now VGK's third big move this week.

[@josephwootenVGK]

VGK IS playing chess And everyone else is playing checkers

[@kftc1980]

@@josephwootenVGKfull contact, cage match chess.

[@carparthero]

​@josephwooten7821 you're making too much sense for the peanut gallery who will play the LTIR card. in fairness to the crybabies, VGK will eventually suck ass, as all teams have to rebuild thanks to age, salary cap, and guys wanting to get paid.

[@ekim4363]

Vegas is aggressive and wants to make moves happen.

[@josephwootenVGK]

@@carparthero ok HATER. GO KNIGHTS GO

[@djsage007]

This hurts, but is needed for the rebuild.

[@Fatazz]

A little off-topic but kinda relevant in a way for everyone getting traded. The Caps host Carolina on March 22nd. If he's playing by then, you gotta know the tribute video for his homecoming is gonna tug some heartstrings. Kuznetsov's most of all.

[@snowman653]

Tampa gets: Duclair, Dumba, 2 7's Give up: J.Thonpson(3rd), a 3rd, and 5th. Tampa did pretty well.

[@m0j0rising]

I'm surprised Vegas would take up that much money/term for an aging player. Hertl healthy is great, but the inevitable drop in points/increased chance of injury is very real. I wish him luck in pursuit of a Cup this season.

[@kftc1980]

They want as many shots at the cup as they can get before Stone and Pietrangelo are too old, and while Eichel is still young. Karlsson as well. Then they will get creative and start all over again…

[@dreamswet8019]

I'm sure they'll find a way to shift Hertl after a year or two lol

[@Brody2525]

Plz do the flyers trades

[@kendrickl5913]

is it worth the cap space to burn that much goodwill with sharks fans? (and possibly players) they werent going to use that cap space to compete anyways

[@jeffreym.8957]

Thanks for the video and discussing the player they received in addition to the FRP. I don't understand your concern about clearing out cap space for San Jose - even long-term. They are going to be in tough to get to the floor? They have less commitments long-term than any other NHL team.

[@jonathanlacefield5066]

As a sharks fan it’s sad but totally understandable and a good decision in the long run

[@pathos3358]

I'm glad someone realizes it lmao

[@CaptainBooch]

Oh my god!!!! Mark Stone is hurt?! He's too precious for this world!

[@gregjohnson247]

I heard VGK was going after Shannon but the cats have a "no trade claws" in place

[@mitcharmstrong8327]

huge fan of this for the sharks

[@Nixi8989]

Retaining 17% for 6 years and sending 2 3rds is nuts

[@DanRaidersWarriorsSharksGiants]

Do not sign players to bad contracts so you do not have to pay to get out. Doug Wilson gave hertl that deal when the sharks were already bad and he made no difference.

[@Nixi8989]

@@DanRaidersWarriorsSharksGiants retaining a bad contract for 6 years is worse than signing the bad contract in the first place.

[@DanRaidersWarriorsSharksGiants]

@@Nixi8989 The sharks got 6.7 mill in cap trading hertl and have no fear about him getting injured now. Retained is a small price to pay and some were saying hertl requested a trade. I would have traded him in the offseason though where I might be able to not pay retained. It still helps the sharks though since they were never winning the cup with hertl anyway.

[@DanRaidersWarriorsSharksGiants]

@@Nixi8989 The sharks got 6.7 mill in cap trading hertl and have no fear about him getting injured now. Retained is a small price to pay and some were saying hertl requested a trade. I would have traded him in the offseason though where I might be able to not pay retained. It still helps the sharks though since they were never winning the cup with hertl anyway.

[@AceMatthew25414]

The retention is roughhhh...

[@viperslax16]

Pain

[@josephwootenVGK]

As a golden knights fan I don't know what's better the move or watching people lose their mind. Vegas strikes again. GO KNIGHTS GO

[@nintendoaddict9091]

fuck you and your scum cheating team. im praying you assholes miss the playoffs karma for this ridiculous shit

[@lonelycake4114]

Golden Pricks will miss the the playoffs

[@carparthero]

it's both! lol 😉

[@josephwootenVGK]

@@lonelycake4114 HELL NO

[@rileyholden-zc9ip]

I never expected that he would be traded

[@keatonjones4252]

I don't understand why people are mad he's going to Vegas, who cares the sharks aren't competing for the cup anytime soon. You need cap space especially if we're wanting to flip free agents at the deadline we got a late first round pick and we have a top 6 or top 9 prospect who is doing better then some of are older prospects. And it's not like we will be getting rid of Vlasic. Couture is a hard player to flip with his contract. All in all, I think this is one of the better moves Grier has made.

[@loC2ol]

In the McManagers I trust!!! Now let’s please not wash out of the playoffs completely!

[@VanMichael21]

The fact that San Jose even signed that contract couple yrs ago was mind boggling.

[@jeffreym.8957]

Cap Floor is a real thing...

[@VanMichael21]

@@jeffreym.8957 ahh right cap floor is a real thing indeed, so lets sign aging declining players to an 8yr deal on a team that is completely rebuilding because we do have a cap floor to meet yanno. You should be an NHL manager sir.

[@andrew6815]

Help me understand how having cap space helps san jose in the short or even medium term. Theyll need to get to the cap floor. Has anyone ever been succesful depending heavily on free agent signings? Is SJ likely to attract many free agents given the attitude of nhl players right now? The kicker for me was the 2 3rd rd picks... and retaining but only 17%. Doesnt make any sense

[@TheHockeyGuy]

Having cap space is huge. Look what the Coyotes have been able to aquire in terms of futures because they have that cap space. That 6.75 million in savings means they can take on contracts from other teams and charge well for it. It's not about depending heavily on free agent signings. It's about having cap flexibility and they can bid a little higher for certain players to acquire them as need be. Chicago did that in the off season and it seems to have helped prolong Nick Foligno's career. San Jose is going to be bad for a long time. Hertl's contract had to go.

[@andrew6815]

@@TheHockeyGuy I see what you are saying. I was about to say they would still have cap space regardless but no, they are up against. It would definitely be easier to leverage that cap space if they didn't have two of their retention spots locked up long term (especially if they are over paying for free agents). It is a mess. I feel really bad for sharks fans. You are right. They are going to be bad for a long time

[@tabby842]

As a Sharks fan, I was calling to trade him and Timo much sooner. Hertl's injury history + this season is probably why we need to send back 2 3rds. As always, management waiting too long to acknowledge reality. Either because it was Grier's call or Plattner's.

[@DanRaidersWarriorsSharksGiants]

Cause Grier didnt want to risk getting less in the offseason. He clearly really likes that vegas prospect.

[@BIGSHARKMAN]

So basically 2, late 2nd round picks and hertl for a late 1st and a 2nd round quality prospect.

[@pavelsluka9180]

Shannon …. It’s TOMAS not THOMAS …trust me on this one… i am Czech 😉😎…. Thanks for all your hard work ❤️

[@SaveznaRepublikaJugoslavija]

I can't believe it

[@henri6265]

He probably made a bet with Evander Kane, who could make the most money in Vegas. Hertl playing the long game.

[@GuessHowSid]

What are the Sharks doing man lmao

[@Wayf4rer]

Tanking!

[@kftc1980]

Removing the residue of Doug Wilson.

[@donnybrook5671]

This deal is good for both teams.

[@poppinmycollar]

@@kftc1980 As much as DW messed us up in the end, the Hertl contract shame belongs to ol' assistant manager Joe Will.

[@jon6910]

Tankin' for Macklin

[@jared4walsh]

more SJS Trade now with NJD.

[@BirdsOfWar]

My teams are the pens and sharks.. this deadline has been killing my soul

[@idiotidiot5821]

Damn bro

[@DanRaidersWarriorsSharksGiants]

Paying 8 mill to hertl doesnt help the sharks win or rebuild

[@BirdsOfWar]

@@DanRaidersWarriorsSharksGiants still sucks seeing all my favorite players getting moved. I get why they did it tho for sure sharks aren’t winning anytime soon

[@DanRaidersWarriorsSharksGiants]

@@BirdsOfWar It is better for the sharks to be more of an ahl team right now to get sure thing top 5 picks and have cap to do an actual rebuild. Watch Will Smith or Musty highlights.

[@50mattman]

As an Oilers fan I'm terrified...

[@SluggerStark]

As an Oilers fan, I am now hoping the Flames go on a late season heater, catch Vegas and they miss the playoffs.

[@devackroyd]

@@SluggerStark We both know that's not happening, I have full faith the Flames will finish 4-8 points out of a playoff spot to maintain their reputation of mediocrity and Stone will be healthy when Edmonton meets them in the first or second round. This team looks incredible on paper, but it is really hard to say how good they will be with this much roster change, teams that spent a ton of money/assets chasing big stars in the pre-salary cap era usually weren't good.

[@SluggerStark]

@@devackroyd You bring up a couple good points. I remember in the 90's the rich teams always loaded up....and it did not always guarantee a cup! Plus, I still have faith in the Oil. When they play their "A" game, they can hang with any team.

[@Kmartsmart]

Tomas moving out of San Jose may be a good thing, but that salary retention going forward will be a big… ‘Hertl’ for them. … I’ll see myself out

[@stackula99]

The depth in Vegas is looking dangerous......

[@carlgemlich1657]

Have you checked their record since Jan?

[@Xerroh]

​​@@carlgemlich1657 I think they're talking about the add-ons, but in regards to your comment. You do know the majority of their players were injured right?

[@carlgemlich1657]

@@Xerroh yeah, I follow them daily. This season reminds me of two years ago, when even the healthy players weren't giving 100%. I hope the new guys can make the team hungry again.

[@agent00puffball]

Another interesting part of this deal: Vegas dealing their 2025 first in this trade means Calgary gets their 2026 first, which is entirely unprotected. Not saying Vegas bottoms out in that time, but it could be risky nonetheless.

[@254zero]

How the hell does Vegas plan on managing the cap next season? Can't wait to see who they ship off for free

[@OKmoomer]

Assuming Lehner is re-activated by October, Vegas will now have to deal with 8 expiring contracts while having only $10M of free cap space to do it. Yikes!

[@oIRONITEo]

Don't understand them retaining AND giving up two thirds for this deal. However, it is cheaper both financially, and cap wise than a buyout to get out of the contract.

[@DanRaidersWarriorsSharksGiants]

Dont give out bad contracts you need to pay someone to take.

[@Wogger72]

I think HOLY 💩 Sharks need a new identity with all the other trade deadline madness Vegas need something else if want a repeat?

[@DanRaidersWarriorsSharksGiants]

Will Smith and Musty.

[@Benjamin-]

Wow. Vegas got fleeced. They should have gotten more picks for taking on Hertl.

[@DanRaidersWarriorsSharksGiants]

Hertl could easily be a ppg player on vegas if used right.

[@elosogonzalez8739]

Doesn't look like the GM in Vegas was using his head at this point of the day.😮

[@chrisv384]

Meier played so well for SJ, and then just turned into a cats litter box at the devils.. hopefully Hertl won´t do that.

[@Odysseus38]

Vegas looking to go back to back 😂😂😂😂😂 Edit: Remember when the ninja hertl retired marty Biron with a 4 goal night capped off with a between the legs goal... Pepperidge farms remembers 😂😂😂😂😂

[@dreamswet8019]

F in chat for The Sharks man so sad to see what has become of this team.

[@jamesp.3951]

Vegas doesn’t need another injured player we have enough already. Knights have been playing a whole line of AHL players almost all year. Martinez and Theodore had not been playing their best as of late. Too many turnovers and miss plays that have led to many goals for the opposing teams. I would call up Korczak from Henderson. He is a defenseman that always plays a steady almost error free game consistently, and can score.

[@MNWildFan57]

They can’t keep getting away with it!!

[@martinsterba4177]

with what exactly?

[@MNWildFan57]

@@martinsterba4177 You know what. Don’t pretend like you don’t.

[@martinsterba4177]

@@MNWildFan57 Well then you have to say "they and the other 15 teams in the NHL"... And the truth Is that the league, owners etc.- they just don't care about this loophole

[@MNWildFan57]

@@martinsterba4177 That is exactly the problem. It’s called a salary cap. Not a 15 million over cap. It was a Problem when the Blackhawks and Lightning did it too.

[@MNWildFan57]

@@martinsterba4177Maybe I’m just bitter because of how set in stone Minnesotas cap restrictions are. Yet teams are rolling into the playoffs with 95 million dollar teams.

[@RobbyThomas18]

For people mad at the LTIR stuff. Anyyy TEAM can do this andd its not like stone faked a spleen injury. They are just doing what the rules say they can.

[@TheSnapback]

Yeah not every team can do this because it has to be a star player that gets injured and miraculously returns by the playoffs. It's rare to have a star player this injury prone where a team can manipulate the cap like this. This happens every year, it's just ridiculous at this point. Yeah it's within the rules but that's why people want them changed. It's so easy to exploit the cap like this, Tampa did it as well.

[@bertoneill2488]

I am sure Martinez and Stone will be a 100% healthy game 1 of the playoffs lmao

[@carb0nknight]

McCrimmon is a wizard

[@therealandonlyadam]

They can't keep getting away with this...

[@csolivais1979]

Get away with what? The league has had near a decade to change the rules and haven't.

[@BryanVGK23]

@@csolivais1979don’t you know? Stone lacerated his own spleen on purpose and mcrimmon told the team to go into a tail spin and possibly miss the playoffs so they could circumvent the cap.

[@therealandonlyadam]

@@BryanVGK23 Exactly. With Hertl on LTIR too heard the plan is to call up the whole AHL team and still be under the cap.

[@ericfett9218]

My heart is broken 💔

[@maxpower4909]

Great pick up for Vegas - they need big contracts they can put on LTIR before next trade deadline

[@lonelycake4114]

Tomas Hertl

[@safertobeanonymous2224]

It’s funny how every trade chat around has the picks going to SJ and they still think Vegas won walking away….. As an oiler fan I’m so listed that Vegas is just better at ignoring the cap then we are…..

[@userjim83]

Vegas when healthy are stacked…. sheesh

[@kelseykjarsgaard5774]

Really hope dont repeat