Instant Analysis - Vegas Golden Knights Trade For Tomas Hertl!

[@fredrikgustafsson1373]

This trade is like, if your dad gave away your favourite toy to the kid who have being bullying you for years

[@SkyFellowship]

Vegas also traded for Crosby, Malkin, Stamkos and 17 other players They are 500m over the cap and no one cares

[@jameson1239]

“You ain’t cheating you ain’t trying” every Vegas fan

[@Nathanielhiggerson66]

@@jameson1239Half the league is using LTIR to fit under the cap. Vegas is just desperate because they’re about to miss the playoffs

[@gilgalad6231]

@@Nathanielhiggerson66they are not just over the cap. They freaking hiked 10 miles past the cap. You can argue being over $1 million over and being $17 million over the cap. Both are over and therefore the same. But… to me, that is way different. LTIR is meant for people with hurt players to still be able to play a NHL level team. But, Vegas is abusing the rules as written. I am sorry. Screw Vegas.

[@Nathanielhiggerson66]

@@gilgalad6231 well yeah, they traded to acquire a trash long-term contract from SJ. most likely hurts them more in the future. but as long as It’s allowed why half-ass it? that’s on the other management groups, Vegas is clearly ready to take the risk.

[@joesacco7183]

@@gilgalad6231 which makes it even better when you see Toronto and Tampa are further over the cap currently then Vegas.

[@Max_Coolman]

Not telling Steve what the trade is makes these so much more funny

[@OceansideGeek]

BREAKING: I have been traded to the Vegas Golden Knights

[@MildandLazyGuy]

I just got the call! Me too!! But I’m on IR for my back to start.

[@Xerroh]

BREAKING: You both just got traded

[@MildandLazyGuy]

To who??? Suspense is killing me!

[@Xerroh]

Arizona and Ottawa.. 🤣🤣🤣

[@MildandLazyGuy]

Do i have to play for both? More important do I get paid by both??

[@shoeshine2914]

As a Sharks fan I may legitimately never recover from this one. It hurts. Bad.

[@matejstefansky7659]

he wasnt traded lmao

[@JarradBruessel32]

​@@matejstefansky7659yes he was

[@victorgenest7881]

To the knights that what is the worst part you can’t make a deal line this with your biggest rival

[@MildandLazyGuy]

When Pavelski gets there I’ll be fully flummoxed.

[@itsyeboi631]

The worse part is that they traded 3rds TO Vegas. That is ridiculous

[@Cavocado_]

As a sharks fan and current truther this trade is brilliant. First Hill and now Hertl we're slowing trading our team to Vegas until they become shitty like us

[@user-il8rc4md6n]

😂 love it

[@MrWescar]

I just loved Steve mouthing "WTF" at 1:30 lmao

[@NathanLipetz]

The 3rds are received by Vegas btw. It’s Hertl + 2x 3rds for Edstrom + 2025 1st

[@Hotdawgfilms]

They corrected it

[@petererckert165]

That 25' first could be in the play for the lottery Vegas bout to collapse. Sharks 🦈🐋 rebuilding. Shark Tank!

[@Hotdawgfilms]

@@petererckert165I don't think there's a chance in hell Vegas is in the basement next year

[@vipeholmskolan6052]

I love that Vegas creates some action around every trade deadline.

[@esharp48]

Best GM in the league, zero question

[@lelouchvibritannia4028]

​@@esharp48at cheating, yeah.

[@esharp48]

@@lelouchvibritannia4028 if ya ain't cheating, ya ain't trying

[@vipeholmskolan6052]

@@lelouchvibritannia4028 Cheating how? They are not breaking the rules, they are just making the most out of them.

[@jamesgrantham7281]

and leading the charge to the next big rule change.@@vipeholmskolan6052

[@paulmarimootoo2059]

Vegas has an owner that wants to win Stanley Cups so hi Management does whatever it takes to get the best group of players. The leafs ownership only care about make money by being mediocre. That’s the difference

[@alexadkins3380]

Lol Steve buddy, your reaction is same as me! Ohhh man! So great!

[@talkichik]

I love Steve's reaction to this. Truly captures what everyone is feeling

[@TheBonuzen]

I know I'm a little late here but if you want a (completely amatuer and not trustworthy) scouting report on Edstrom. He plays for my team here in Sweden, and I followed him closely during the juniors. As of the last couple of games in the SHL, he has been slotted in as the first line center for Frölunda. He has gone from looking like a decent two way center (which I feel confident he will be even in the worst case scenario) to a guy that can help run the offense of a top line in one of the most defense focused leagues in the world. He has completely played up to the talent he's been put with, and he looks very comfortable. Like I said, he also has a solid 2-way game, especially for his age, and he plays the PK here in Sweden and doesn't really stand out one way or another (I assume it will take some time before he gets trusted with that in the show). He does struggle with physicality, which is common for young players in the SHL, since it's not a big part of junior play here. But he is rather large, carrier himself well, and is a good skater, so I have faith that he will be able to at least handle the physical aspects after a couple of months in the show (I wouldn't be surprised to see him embrace it either). He seems to be getting a long great in the locker room, and from what I've heard, he has no issue talking to media and helped take on the "media role" for the world juniors team this year. Also, if any higher-ups in the sharks read this. Vegas pwomised us we could keep him next year and I would be vewy angwy with you if you called him over and he didn't get one more year with Fwölunda >:(

[@michaelb5119]

This is the craziest trade of the bunch imo. Just madness i love it

[@mikelfrance-l6x]

I remember when Vegas got Jack Eichel and EVERY MEDIA PERSON said it would be a disaster for the VGK. How did those predictions work out?

[@user-il8rc4md6n]

“Le cap is so hard 🥸😩” 6:45 , Adam kills me 😂

[@petererckert165]

Lol😂😂😂😂😂

[@mp40submachinegun81]

9:50 no there wont. there is 0 requirement to take a player off LTIR when they are healthy. only needs to come off to play. only a requirement that the player actually be injured to go on LTIR. i think CJ has said that when stopping LTIR gaming has come up at gm's meetings its been shut down pretty quick.

[@christopherboyd3311]

I still love Steve's scream response on this. I'll keep it in mind as we see Hertl play finally.

[@DiogenesTheCynic.]

Came back to listen to the scream after yesterday's game lol

[@TheEvilKingStan]

Vegas is just really spamming that LTIR now. If they win it all again, this will be the deal that starts a rule change. But i really hope they get bounced in the first round after all of this lol

[@JarradBruessel32]

Most teams last year in the playoffs were over the cap. Over half of the teams are this year

[@Nathanielhiggerson66]

at this point its not even a given that they make the playoffs

[@bradbradbury8561]

@@JarradBruessel32 So your saying there's no cap. Essentially if no one is playing within the cap, what's the point of having it?

[@JarradBruessel32]

@@bradbradbury8561 half of the league is over right now due to the flat cap. Next year fewer teams should be over

[@luc00144]

​@@bradbradbury8561Arizona has been playing at under the cap floor all season lol. It doesn't matter

[@christopherboyd3311]

VGK's actual salary expenditure us estimated at $115M. Several guys like Stone & Petro are getting paid more this year in actual cash than their AAV cap hit. But that can happen on any team.

[@brianhum8765]

Man some people are really mad that most of the other owners in the league are just too dumb to figure out how to navigate the cap (or are too cheap to pay good front office personnel that know how to do it). Teams like the Coyotes intentionally choose to use the LTIR just to get to the salary cap FLOOR every year and not actually field a competitive NHL roster. Oh btw, every team's owner and NHLPA rep had a chance to stop this loophole in the CBA... and chose not to. And as they showed, Vegas isn't even spending as much as 3 (now capgeek shows only 2) other teams.

[@michaelenyart5789]

Last year it felt like all the Eastern conference teams made moves and the west just tinkered. This year it is more balanced but a ton on the west (Aves, Stars, Golden Knights, Jets, Cannucks, etc.)

[@baohoaily]

This is what happens when you have a smart management team and not a dish washer as a GM.

[@easonmyers1719]

They’re also retaining salary still from the Brent Burns trade with Carolina for this year and next

[@TWKOZAK]

Glad Vegas is one of the teams I watch. How can you not respect ownership that, from day one, made it abundantly clear that their only goal was to win in the playoffs? When you deliver a Stanley Cup in six years, you're doing something right. Love the haters.

[@andysorensen1737]

Not only that, but their complete ownage of the expansion draft is still amazing.

[@petererckert165]

Was it year one or 2 they almost won it?

[@petererckert165]

Yeah FLA hooked up Vegas from the expansion draft

[@andysorensen1737]

@@petererckert165 Year 1. They made the Final and lost to the Caps.

[@topgun9666]

FYI, they can fit Hertl with $289,183 in cap space left. San Jose retained 17% of the salary to make him fit.

[@MildandLazyGuy]

Vegas Dr: easy there Tommy no rush buddy!

[@IMRICOSWAVY]

Steves face is what every SJ fan feels like today

[@TheLinc78]

As a Vegas fan I really appreciate that you guys are keeping it real and factual with the cap space and LTIR stuff. Half the league is doing but we’re the only ones who are getting called out for it. Just say you hate Vegas, that I’ll respect. Don’t come at us with the “cheaters” and the “they need to be investigated” Bullshit. Demand better management from your team and quit bitching. AND we haven’t been that great lately. We’re definitely in trouble. Hoping we can hold on for these last few games.

[@andrew6815]

I feel so bad for sharks fans...

[@Nick-xg3dd]

I’m with Steve on hertl going to knights ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh AHHH

[@johnshields6852]

Changing landscapes, some good moves, some so so moves.

[@victorgenest7881]

As a sharks fan I don’t understand how you can possibly entertain trading with the Golden knights to help them win the cup… we got good value but we can’t help them… if a TorontoGM makes a trade like this to boston or the Habs he would be gutted immediately

[@lelouchvibritannia4028]

Vegas is their cash cow.

[@jamesgrantham7281]

Any other team could do this. I think any other team has a conscience. You say the league doesn't like it. Then they need to get to work to make it against the rules. It's in the best interest of the league. This can't be good for the sport.

[@cherbo4112]

i love all of this!!! go knights go!!

[@philipanderson4115]

Vegas got the DEI GM hire to keep $1.4M/yr in salary.

[@matthewgaylen2827]

what's a cap hit?

[@lucarapp3184]

Bettman has dirt on Grier

[@petererckert165]

Or Grier has dirt on Bettman?

[@CupContender]

Bettman is on grinder 24/7 looking for juice pickles

[@bgone8854]

Stone must be finished The spleen injury is serious

[@kevinayala922]

God I love Vegas

[@kwaty]

Hertl is injured

[@BabyBowDingBall]

Damn… was not expecting this. From a business perspective, good. He’s slower than ever and his knees are fucked. From a fan perspective, I’m very sad today. Such a fun player, great personality.

[@mitcharmstrong8327]

this is a great trade for san Jose. the fans whining expect to be competitive while we still have vlasic on the books XD. ignore them, this is a good move. like the timo deal, it will age well

[@pstandlee]

West is going to be a brawl

[@jorssu13]

You hate to see it, but you also gotta kinda appreciate it

[@JustGimmicks]

God I hate Vegas.

[@CupContender]

They do this bs every year

[@JarradBruessel32]

​@@CupContender so does toronto lol

[@Nathanielhiggerson66]

@@CupContenderYeah every contender does this every year. atleast the ones with competent management do

[@rickster_88]

They are go hard every year. I hate Vegas as much as anyone else. They need to do this to try and win another cup. As a hockey fan in general, I hope it works and they can develop a solid fan base from this. There will be pain coming, they have traded almost all of their first round picks and only have 1 prospect and a think whoever they drafted in 2023 if they even had that pick. Their core guys are already approaching their mid 30's and the drop off is coming. When this team is in the bottom of the standings, will they have die hard fans to support them? The NFL is already there, MLB and thr NBA aren't far behind them. If there fan base dies out its bad for the NHL.

[@CupContender]

@@Nathanielhiggerson66 what u saying when did we ever go over the cap?

[@Vegland]

Steve is doing a great job biting his tongue. Good on you Girl Dad. Gonna need that. Mine is 9 now. Trust me, develope the skill

[@Vegland]

Edited for crappy keyboard and spelling

[@justchillin1998]

Why not go live?

[@MalWave]

this definitely smells of "trading a guy to a cup contender to get him his first cup"

[@philipanderson4115]

Vegas Golden Knights... Punking the Canadian Hockey Mafia since 2017. Embrace the suck Canada.

[@people3865]

How is this good for SJ? You should get more just for retaining for that long..

[@snowmountainlion]

we live in vegas gm mode simulation no doubt

[@MajinBuu91]

As a Sharks fan i’m ok with this trade on the long run… If they don’t pick 1st this coming draft the season will be 100% lost… And everything would have been for nothing…

[@petererckert165]

Never a guarantee that you get the top pick

[@MajinBuu91]

@@petererckert165 only if you’re Chicago or Pittsburgh as history shows lol

[@bradbradbury8561]

Ahhhh this year I predict that the Vegas No Caps will win the cup. Gooo Vegas No Caps

[@tyler_okamoto]

NO LTIR NEEDED BABAY haha Say what you will about the Vegas Golden Knights, they go balls to the walls every year in trying to win and that’s great for the product, the NHL. McCrimmon does what no other GM has the stones (intended) to do.

[@ralphlogan5211]

Vegas management is putting on a show. They completely outclass every other GM year after year. This is what a commitment to winning a cup looks like, I've got a team in mind that should be taking notes... LEAFS

[@GomerJackson]

Love Steve ; I mean obviously everyone does ; But he rules. Great hockey guy for sho

[@wbj2000]

Yeah but the Leafs went all in. 🤣🤣🤣🤣 They are a joke.

[@giacintomatera9345]

This proves to me that Grier should be fired ,,, I’m sorry but you give up your best asset for 2 low 1st rounders and you retain $ for them,,, I’m sorry but if you make Hertl available at the draft you can get a more better haul him and get much better prospects ,,, I don’t blame LV they’re using the rules good for them. , but that doesn’t mean it doesn’t smell! Vegas knows that their window is very small ,,, I believe that Stone this year is actually not coming back ,, I’m more impressed with the Jets they are a very complete team,, Game on ,,, Go Avs

[@sgallegos702]

LMFAO. As a VGK fan, this makes me so damn happy.

[@sabrinarobertson2604]

as a sharks fan, wtf are we doing 😓

[@Jim-iv7yq]

vegas playing chess.. leafs playing checkers

[@malcolmrjmcleod]

Mike Grier is the new Jim Benning.

[@SanojanThevarajah-fl7zw]

FIRST!!! SHARKS 2027 STANLEY CUP CHAMPS!!

[@natthaphonnoble7946]

Vegas definitely has dirt on the sharks GM there’s no way or dirt on the league. Shady as hell

[@jonasgorea3823]

Mike greer has to go im sorry this sucks for sj

[@rickster_88]

He's cleaning house. Couture is next. Only way to do it. I followed their playoff runs when Jumbo and Marleau were leading them. They should of won at least 1 cup.

[@smokinjoe45]

I hate Vegas but if Stone comes back, how the hell does everyone play in the playoffs?

[@BillyAu]

Just imagine if there was no cap. 😂

[@alexcayer9377]

might be the worst trade in recent years

[@philipwittke8491]

One less Hertl to the cup

[@tjthejetus2843]

I’ve never seen someone defend Vegas like Jesse😂😂😂

[@jufferson2121]

The whole intent of the salary cap is to create parity (and make the owners more money). This circumvention defeats that purpose. Any team with owners that are willing to spend can do it. But that’s where we were before the cap and that was the reason for the cap

[@sirfrostysnow6913]

Not gonna help us if we can’t make the mf playoffs 🤦‍♂️

[@thana01ich19]

The NHL should change they salary cap winning teams want to spend more. Let them do it and find a compensation.

[@JarradBruessel32]

They won't do a soft cap

[@thana01ich19]

​Yes it's still the NHL.

[@pahul79]

Vegas is the most successful franchise in the history of the nhl !!

[@pahul79]

@@imthebeatplug_8319 are you retarded ? They made a finals first year and have cup already. Through first 500 games they have the most wins in nhl history

[@LuisVasquez-tz6ge]

Wait What for real

[@LuisVasquez-tz6ge]

Is this real

[@ethanbortner]

I thought the same!! 🤣😮

[@DiogenesTheCynic.]

As a VGK fan... W H A T ? ? ?

[@CanadienEHH]

As an oilers fan, I applaud vegas for the gymnastics they pull off every year, but put the cap circumvention accusations aside here, this isnt good for the league, or rather its not gonna be treated as a real league if they cant have a ruleset that makes sense, can vegas do this? Yes, they aren't breaking any rules at the moment, but should they be able to? Should kucherov be able to rub a 19 mil over the cap shirt in the leagues face? Idk

[@LuisVasquez-tz6ge]

🥺😢😭

[@jadenn216]

Cheaters gonna cheat just like they did last year. Florida deserved that cup.

[@NOTLeavingLV]

lol. They lost so bad in the final game. The deserved to win how?

[@jonasgorea3823]

I think their revenge this year

[@andysorensen1737]

I attended Game 2. The Panthers sucked more than a Dyson.

[@bellamydrake9343]

This bastardizing of the cap is pissing off hockey fans and tuning them out. So Jessie this is a big deal and the league better do something about it.

[@Rain.34.89]

Terrible trade for the Sharks

[@petererckert165]

This seems to be the consensus though with the retention of salary for 7 years and giving up the 3rds

[@budwyser1980]

the NHL needs to put a stop to teams loading up LTIR until the playoffs... a team should be cap compliant in the playoffs... how fair is it for a team with $100million in payroll vs a team who has a $70million payroll? there should be a salary cap in the playoffs of 10% higher than the season salary cap.... Tampa Bay did it one year when Kucherov sat almost the whole season, came off LTIR game 1 of the playoffs and TB won the cup, and Vegas did it just last year... chances are they both would not have won if there was a postseason salary cap, just saying!!

[@michaelramsbotham]

Imagine they miss the playoffs 😅

[@petererckert165]

It's a possibility with their goaltending as of late

[@LuisVasquez-tz6ge]

Hello

[@paulmarimootoo2059]

The NHL is in bed with Vegas because it’s good for business.

[@LuisVasquez-tz6ge]

?

[@richardthacker6]

I have NEVER wanted a team to NOT make the playoffs so much as Vegas. I hope for a colossal collapse for even attempting this scheme.

[@AJ-ox6yi]

Wouldn't it be funny if Vegas missed the playoffs?

[@Al_Camino77]

Dare to dream…dare to dream

[@petererckert165]

Yeah lol... Imagine if they miss playoffs this year and the 24-25 season... 25' pick ends up being a top pick for San Jose 😂😂😂😂😂

[@jimbodangle178]

Back 2 back

[@samuelwilkinson7524]

Cap circumsition!!!!!

[@redheads604]

cap circumvention at its finest

[@DaMunkey1]

Hoping, with the 2 games coming up vs the Kraken, that LV looses and the Kraken close the 6 point gap and LV loose the playoff spot 😂. All that money golfing

[@mrsuarez430]

Every cup contender could have circumvented the ltir and only one asshole franchise did it.. In consecutive years

[@williampilling6576]

Imagine how funny itd be if Vegas misses the playoffs

[@Bryz0n]

...This is a trade I INTENSELY dislike... I get he's in his prime but he's a cornerstone, and he's in on an 8 year deal the last big one of Doug Wilson's tenure as GM. This is a guy I felt who could build leadership around, and could have been wearing the C next season if Grier was going to look to move Couture. Do I think Gary will seriously start cracking on injured cap? Likely not now, but this is a crap return for the Sharks, and Grier imo pulled the trigger a season early.

[@BlackMasakari]

Stupid LTIR cheaters