Anand Giridharadas: How billionaires prevent social change

Krystal Ball interviews Author Anand Giridharadas on his book "Winners Take All." Anand explains how the same billionaires who undermined the American Dream now want us to be dependent on them as our saviors.
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[@mizmlyn]

His book is on hold at the public library where I live by 50 people!

[@JJDavid]

I got the audiobook on audible. Must read, it's excellent.

[@sugarshane8622]

I'd just buy it if it's that long.

[@nirmalsuki]

You live in a public library? :-o

[@GeorgesOpinion]

Nirmal Kirtisinghe lmao

[@dreamingrightnow1174]

@@sugarshane8622 Clueless boujee..

[@Zakdayak]

This is my favorite interview to take place from a Chinese restaurant.

[@3John-Bishop]

Its at the entrance to the bathrooms

[@Zakdayak]

@@3John-Bishop brilliant

[@ingeborgsvensson4896]

The band U2 is registered at a PO box in Amsterdam, this way the band members do not have to pay taxes in Ireland nor in the Netherlands. Bono, their lead singer, claims he is solving world poverty by letting you give money to charity. This is how the scam works and all those rich people do it: they let you pay and they take credit for it.

[@charlespatrick8650]

Ingeborg Svensson U2 is from Ireland not UK

[@ingeborgsvensson4896]

@@charlespatrick8650 True, my mistake. Ireland is not in the UK. But it will still be part of the EU next year and the UK won't. Confused? I was ;-)

[@GeorgePiazza]

As a musician, I am disappointed with the tax evasion of very rich musicians for decades. The Beatles avoided paying taxes in the UK, especially George Harrison who wrote a song about it. Mick Jagger and Co. also skipped out of the country to avoid taxes. Bonhead.. uh, Bono.. I'm sure there are plenty more, but the sad thing is Harrison & Bono made a big deal about helping the poor. It is one of the differences between neoliberals and progressives, and ironically one of the 'hypocrisies' the trolls lob at progressives, mistking us for neoliberals.

[@ingeborgsvensson4896]

@@GeorgePiazza Well said. Especially growing up in the UK/Ireland where everyone chipped in so these guys could have free health care, education and a social safety net. And when they made it and it was time to do something in return they shipped their fortune overseas so they would not have to pay anything. No gratitude.

[@kayomholt-montague7661]

How disgustingly AWFUL!

[@MrCTruck]

Absolutely astute. When you run the game you make the rules until the players don't want to play anymore, tweak the rules, repeat.

[@highneedforcognition9660]

Deep... Is it possible such a system could arise without intentional selfishness, perhaps through misaligned incentives?

[@courtneydurham8429]

When you look into Jeff Bezos eyes you can see there is a piece missing.

[@leovolont]

@sfar1 Hi sfar1 You mean you can still buy stuff on Amazon? Have you seen it lately? Primes are gone. Apparently they are shifting from the Warehouse Depot Model to just farming out orders to Small Vendors, but the Search and Display Algorithms don't work. The Vendors complain that searches pop up with "This Item is Not Presently Carried" when they registered having 3 gross 2 days ago. Before, the Search would go to Amazon Warehouse Items with Prime Best Sellers, but now you get endless of pages of crap that Almost Fits what you were searching for. It can take hours to sort through the crap. Then you have situations where you want to buy something and 50 Sellers pop up for the same item. So, each has a different price and each has a different rating. Okay, Who the Hell Gets Your Order? I just wanted a jar of Pills. I didn't want to be God! Yeah, Amazon has gone down the tube. I actually bought some crap from Friggin Walmart.

[@leovolont]

You know "the Eyes are the Windows to the Soul".... the missing piece is his soul.

[@flash_flood_area]

I see that in Zuckerberg too.

[@makeitmakesense4836]

@@leovolont HUH 🤣🤣🤣🤣 AMAZON is ran by a EVIL FUCKING genius. Its doing a lot of things. But going to shits. Isn't one of them.

[@leovolont]

@@flash_flood_area Yeah, when you look at Jeff Bozos and Zuckerberg, it becomes SO obvious that MONEY can't buy everything.

[@jbbatO]

Made me wonder, when Marianne Williamson said during the debates you can't expect the same people who caused the problem to fix the problem, if she had read the book or just thought the same thing?

[@mak2488]

jb9bat100 O Have been attending Marianne’s lectures for 7 years. Can confirm everything you hear her say in interviews and debates has been consistent with her books and her lectures over the years. Reparations, sickness care instead of health care, problems cannot be solved by those who caused it, you have to clear up the past before moving forward, etc. She’s a spiritual marvel of deep truth.

[@vickievans3824]

Look up Anand’s recent interview with Mariann. ViceTV.

[@bicyclist2]

The elite expect us to just trust them. They say things like no one understands the problems like we do. Thanks.

[@Hysteresis.Actual]

I think the subtle difference is that, actually, Anand is saying yes, we can expect some of the same people who caused the problem to fix the problem (though obviously not all of them), many of them do mean well. The problem is, you can't use the same systems that created the forces that create the problem, to solve the problem. If you try to expand the system to deal with the problem, you will only create more of the problem. Almost like a economic/social/political version of the second law of thermodynamics.

[@queengoblin]

This is my first time watching your videos. The interviewer is so astute and intelligent! Very articulate, asks good questions. Very good job!!

[@CINDYMDEMAMBRO]

Happy I found this progressive channel 👍👍👍👍😉😉😉😉💝🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥💝

[@NyetTube]

May I suggest more: Status Coup, Rational National, Jimmy Dore, The Grayzone, RT, Primo Nutmeg.

[@soccerruben1]

@StealieSteve Don’t forget Kyle Kulinski from Secular Talk and Mike Figueredo from the Humanist Report

[@ankou3730]

and the david pakman show

[@luluh1154]

Welcome back Krystal !!

[@charlespatrick8650]

LULU H this is from September 2018

[@xxxzz8413]

That's booby trap

[@Jan_YTview]

They are eager to make social change, just not the healthy, necessary kind people need or want. 🙄🙄🙄

[@VS-rg4by]

😟🥺

[@caracrabtree715]

Does anyone know what ever happened to the old antitrust laws that was supposed to prevent concentrated power and wealth?

[@YourMajesty143]

They've been weakened since the 80s, but even moreso during the Clinton era and Bush administration. Bernie has an actual agenda against Wall Street which will reinstate Glass-Steagall, bring back regulations, close loopholes, and add a speculations tax. He already has a "Too Big to Fail" Act. He cast the only *NO* vote against the Riegle-Neal Act, which sadly was what ultimately ushered in the era of giant national banks. He himself interrogated Greenspan over concerns about the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act, which was designed to repeal Glass-Steagall & allow large mergers between investment banks, commercial banks & insurance together. Bernie pointed out that their failure would lead to an expensive bailout, which could cripple our economy. His prediction was correct. And it's not the 1st time he's predicted catastrophes. Everything from the false-premise Iraq War, ISIS, Patriot Act scandal, Panama Papers tax evasion scandal, SSI/Medicare/Medicaid cuts, etc. His foresight is uncanny. #Bernie2020 #BernTheEstablishment

[@erikwsince1981]

So good! Big Anand fan! This is 10 mins that flew by like it was 1 min.

[@leovolont]

Oh, and he was really good in that movie "Yesterday".

[@MrCTruck]

The United States of Bare Minimum; education, taxes, charity, economics, gov't, wages, benefits etc 9:30

[@SS-xl6lo]

One year later we still here🙁

[@everythingshih-tzu3146]

Education is bad bc of indoctrination ie America bad. Taxes...Trump gave tax breaks...Biden...gonna raise them back up plus more. Minimum wage...blame that on congress and the senate for not raising min wage. They will give themselves a 40k raise, but not to the military or ppl living paycheck to paycheck. Sad...and they continue to get voted in. Deep State

[@capecyn]

Thank you Krystal! Great interview! Going to get this book!

[@benitoluna5118]

capecyn Fantastic Book; you’ll enjoy it

[@danilima2659]

Krystal's back, finally the intelligence has returned

[@olddotcom]

thinking the same thing

[@DavinnaJo]

I'm a new subscriber, but it appears that The Hill re-uploads old videos on weekends. The upper left corner says this video is from September 25.

[@jadenaxi5796]

@@DavinnaJo Because they knew we missed Krystal.

[@juanmachado1844]

lol Krystal is back. Saagar does a good job but we definitely need Krystal's voice on this show.

[@allygrint-potter6550]

@@juanmachado1844 Nope, not so much. Saagar Enjeti is a right winger.

[@taylorcuch2480]

Yay for the return of the all knowing Krystal Ball!

[@sulebo2153]

Love Love Love Anand! So glad to see him here and I'm becoming addicted to The Hill - thanks Krystal :)

[@leovolont]

Yeah, and he was really great in that movie "Yesterday"

[@rafaelruales6871]

Bernie 2020, nothing matters if you don't vote for Bernie, please register to vote.

[@troypropes1182]

Yea cause $15 an hour is the answer. How about a Universal Basic Income -Yang2020.com

[@GeorgePiazza]

@@troypropes1182 His policies do not address systemic problems in a holistic manner. No deal. Throwing $1,000 at ppl is the wet dream of rich libertarians everywhere; then they can say 'problem solved' while they gut existing social programs and make even more money from the VAT tax. #MMT.

[@troypropes1182]

@@GeorgePiazza look, I see this left leaning talking point everywhere. The only thing I can tell you is that you are ignorant if you want to keep our current "safety net". Our current welfare is riddled with corruption and Bureaucracy. Streamlining it is way better in the long run. Don't be scared of change because somebody told you to be. RESEARCH and your fears quickly go out the window.

[@Synchronicitizen]

Until Senator Sanders can offer full-throated support for reparations for the American Descendants of Slavery (ADOS), no vote from me. I phone banked for him is in 2016. After he advised his supporters to vote for HRC, i believe that he became compromised candidate. I will not place any more of my trust in him.He should have used that political capital to start a new party.

[@richspizzaparty]

People vote and there has been little change. In fact, things have gotten worse for the working class. But keep spouting your platitudes given to you by previous generations and their propaganda.

[@macaron3141592653]

The Pantheon of Hill guests has just demolished a new wall for this dude.

[@nirmalsuki]

LIstening to Anand feels like listening to an excellent lecture on the reality of this world.

[@offmyface1]

Where do I sign up to Anand's cult. Looking like a villain with that background.

[@creatorsofnewearth369]

Observation or judgement?

[@raresmircea]

Anand is a great speaker, his talks are worth listening to.

[@blindjustice3658]

I enjoyed the hill today. I agree and have lived in what this author has spoke about. I worked for the state just barely making it month to month. My work kept people "safe" and kept "criminals" off the streets. I was complacent with mediocre because of the struggles that I have been through. That was until I figured out how this agency was really hurting my community rather than helping. Once I confronted and spoke out I was fired evicted forced to move out of my home city that I had lived in my entire life. All during this "unprecedented" time. My dream is not for materials and vain self worth. I aspire for true purpose and to serve my faith by leaving everything I encounter better than when I found it. I was not in the realm of thinking government was where we needed to change. I now understand that is really the only way. Flooding the government with good citizens. People who understand what we have to lose or gain. For the love of all that is good. We need to seriously hold the profit politicians accountable for what I believe they are knowing working against the people. Citizens have been in my belief under represented, under educated, mistreated, and disrespected. We the people are not stupid. We see what is happening. I look at these wealthiest citizens and I pitty them for their vain egos. Thats a sad life to live. The funny part is they literally are no better the the terribly hungry, dirty, hurt, and homeless man on every corner I see here in wealthy America.

[@joey5821]

When I was in college I thought business and government were equally corrupt and unchangable.

[@chazbennett8676]

Gov't is Only Currupt because Corporations make Sure of it.

[@SoulControlla99]

Corporations are inherently corrupt because capitalism demands they put money over everything. Government is corrupt but can be salvaged.

[@YourMajesty143]

It depends on who controls the govt: the people or the corporations. The govt only reflects the morality of those who weild it. Since corporations are motivated by profit/greed, then the govt will obviously reflect that.

[@ReasonableRadio]

his backround is next level. Skypeing in will never be the same after this

[@luckyyuri]

Big fan of Anand, he's such a great guy!

[@thinkingwithyoungmorpheus]

Another amazing interview. Loving the guest you have been having on lately Krystal. Want to be like when I grow up. Lol

[@alwaysincentivestrumpethic6689]

Great interview !!!

[@dojoh6889]

Amazing segment!

[@kmichele888]

He is my favorite... opened my eyes to so much!! Great book

[@HolyCity2012]

This was published on TheHill.com 10/17/2018,. The date in the top left corner says September 25th. What is going on here?

[@kingrhino11]

Ey! Anand is my dude! You guys are awesome for bringing him on!

[@oshontheexperience6440]

This is my new favorite internet show

[@fruit4me782]

Great interview Krystal. Thanks

[@arturomundigo3904]

Thank you 🤗

[@klairicewestley757]

Always good to hear you Anand!

[@creatorsofnewearth369]

Fabulous!!! Spot on!!!

[@jcsrst]

Brilliant all the way around!

[@TurtleTimeVoiceOvers]

More volume please. Thanks!

[@apoco_lips9957]

damn old segment but very great interview, love Anand and Krystal, very good question and answers

[@energyeternal]

If you like this interview, Anand's book Winners Take All is a *MUST* read --- actually, it's a must *LISTEN* because he reads the audiobook. It is THAT good. Track it down now......

[@zanderzephyrlistens]

i loved this

[@darrellhayward6673]

Yes justa enjoying these truthful conversation ty Krystal excellence interview ya 🌳🌱❤3

[@ContentContentment]

And BAM 💥 I got the audiobook Thanks! Rising Crew 😎

[@Nbrvin]

Anand in the video lookin like he's head of the Yakuza XDDD

[@arik2916]

haha 😂 He's so awesome though

[@MTBryanH]

Wow! This dude! I guess I need to read his book! Great conversation!

[@peace8373]

Love the smug photos, you can see the greed of power. Your views are enlightening, the energy of money is powerful.

[@bujoun76]

I am increasingly impressed with this show especially with Krystal B. I might be subscribing soon.

[@xxxzz8413]

I concur

[@scpatl4now]

Winner Take All is one of the great books of our time. If you haven't read it...you need to.

[@tigersforever4577]

Excellent, incisive analysis and debunking of the philanthropist mythos.

[@reinventnv123]

Henry Ford got caught up in this issue too. Literally tried to tell his workers how to live. Which didn’t work.

[@nathtimcina]

Totally agree with Anand

[@denisedunn2506]

Yet nothing happens? Please advice why?

[@TCO3]

Yay! Krystal is back!!!!

[@edwardcote2440]

To be clear, we don't necessarily need the government to solve problems in general. In some specific cases, it's absolutely necessary, while in other cases it actually is counterproductive. Where I agree is that we cannot trust people who just want to make money to solve everything. We need to stop looking at billionaires as heroes and approach them with at least a healthy skepticism, but frankly, I think hoarding that much wealth for the sake of one person's ego and comfort is a very serious problem in itself, to say the least.

[@russellgallman7566]

Interesting. I didn't realize there wasn't a narrative, an active plan to "fix" the existing problem. That's where Nick Hanauer has been playing a role. That's where Stephanie Kelton is playing a role. That's where Kate Raworth and Mariana Mazucato are playing a role. Anand pulled out the ultra huge highlighter marker so we can see this and have a shot at naming the problem.

[@johnriley8761]

Hear that Texas, South Carolina? Sorry couldn’t resist....

[@dreamingrightnow1174]

Anand, YES! I love the variety of top notch thinkers that you interview on the regular. Why is cable news so flaming stupid??

[@ongogablogian3431]

So true, the KZbin algorithm had to suppress it. Under 70k views in a year - so unfortunate.

[@ZocNad]

If you enjoyed this, I would recommend 2 documentaries by with the same name. Poverty Inc by Michael Matheson Miller & Poverty Inc by Gary Null. They show how a few get wealthy by keeping many poor.

[@paradisecaregiving7126]

Great piece. Thanks. The American dream is the nightmare. We're conditioned to look outside the Self for happiness through nouns: people, places and things. These things will NEVER satisfy. Things are temporary. What is real is That which is unchanging. Follow the "I" thought back into the Heart Centre. The peace we are looking for is closer than the breath. And It remains Here, Now. If you want to change the world, stop believing the incessant thoughts that appear. Thoughts aren't Beingness. They're clouds passing in a boundless, sun drenched sky believed to be real, true and "mine". My thoughts, my body, my mind...me, me, me... I, I, I... Who IS I? Untangle that mystery... and all is well.

[@yabyum108]

Yeh, suspend your critical faculty. That'll work.

[@danapeck5382]

Also, read Tocqueville's "Ancien Regime and the Revolution".

[@Mtrs_Chic]

Breathe of fresh air

[@gaybroshevik4180]

Krystal ♥️

[@Dubnoreix]

You might want to read the new book of Rutger Bregman (the Dutch historian who had a viral moment at Davos), which will be released in English as Humankind: A New History of Human Nature (release date: 10th March 2020) and is titled in Dutch De meeste mensen deugen (Most people are good).

[@russellhowes1359]

Just asking. Can anyone note a single government program that delivers high quality and under budget? Can anyone point to a single service the government provides that is convenient, well run and reliable? Is there any part of government free of corruption? And most importantly, when one is screwed by the government, is there any recourse to hold them accountable? If one answered no to all the above, who is to say that we need more government interference in our lives.

[@granand]

How is Mark Zukerburg transforming world ? ( when talking in terms of good) perspective?

[@ericjohnson6665]

Isn’t Marianne Williamson’s message aimed directly at this problem of how we view government?

[@TommysJukebox]

KB looking GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOD!

[@randomnobodyplaythrough7770]

Why old content?

[@beyondschool]

Why play a great song twice on the radio?

[@SS-xl6lo]

2021 what are people thoughts, we still falling for trickle down economics?

[@TheDeej26]

I never would have thought I would live to see a president less qualified then myself. Citizens need to get into government if they want to see change.

[@laheil3373]

This is why I support Andrew Yang’s plan for Human Centered Capitalism. He proposes to change corporate incentives to align with values that are good for human flourishing- healthcare, the environment, worker’s rights, child success rates, retiring with dignity, etc. Unless we change the incentives, CEOs are forced to make decisions that only effect the company’s bottom line regardless of how that affects anything else. He has stated that many of these billion dollar companies would ‘take a haircut’ for the greater good, and it would actually help them if the incentives were in place to allow for it.

[@cventotal]

Lightning sure makes a difference

[@Horroryoga]

But they seem so nice, warm and approachable. Not a hint of the grotesque, or a secret misshapen horror underneath, no, Bill even has Mr. Rogers Sweater! We should be grateful, and look, honest hard work and you could achieve these kind of heights. It’s America at its Zenith!

[@DC-wg1cr]

Still a good app but individualistic "life-change" disruptions are not systemic critiques nor solutions.

[@VS-rg4by]

Why are those people buying up all the farm land?

[@JRich-yz3he]

Krystal Ball :)

[@jamesdavis3528]

the old batman tv show skull and bones episode comes to mind

[@SlugSage]

The red background with the dragon looks great

[@lindegirl333]

Krystal is so smart,such a pleasure to have someone like her to tell us the truth,within five years she will be the voice of truth in the media for the whole nation

[@rufusdufus5027]

Any person with the right mind should keep away from social media and keep a tight group of real friends(IRL)

[@michelleamatulle6378]

Why is the room he’s in so dark? Lol ❤️ u Anand! Keep it up!

[@BanjoInKorea]

So many good things about Anand and his work. I just became aware of him and of Hasan Minhaj today. But he needs to use a different lighting and color background when doing an onscreen interview.

[@msmart2u2]

Maybe the study of economics should start from the point of eliminating mass poverty and income gaps.

[@christamead3753]

Anyone else notice what he misses?

[@pcproffy]

Woo Krystal looking fine.

[@jakebesaw]

Just me, or does Krystal look entirely different today? Still beautiful as always, but I hardly recognised her!

[@elizabethtaylor9085]

Elizabeth Taylor. WHY do you have A.G. so dark we can barely see him? Other screen quite bright.

[@gaybroshevik4180]

The Bourgeoisie are getting scared ♥️ GOOD. They better change or experience the slicey choppy bois. 😎

[@razielr.2219]

Krystal looking like fine wine.

[@bobitussinX]

Billionaires are the source of legends of dragons hoarding thier treasure

[@polferiferus1938]

People need to think critically. This should have been obvious to most people back in the 1980s, but it wasnt. Far from it. Most were happy to lick the boots that stomped them. Yes, actually _happy_ to do it. Infuriating that ppl took so long to figure this obvious shit out, when it may be too late. Hope not. Glad, anyway, that most (I think/hope) now get it, at long fucking last.

[@MrHarveyrex23]

Capitalism/ the marketplace opposes any kind of radical social change that threatens their concentrated corporate power and influence

[@IizUname]

blurble

[@publicdomain1103]

More change the more stays the same or worse. Look around.

[@davidwilkie9551]

This is about the Life and Death Volatility Index, and +/-Infinity influences on the relatively tiny variability of human beings. Do the best you can with what you know? "We have seen the Enemy, and the Enemy is Us" Pogo Or GULLIVER'S TRAVELS Jonathan Swift Bible Stories, etc

[@meander8884]

And to think this was in 2019. This x 100 by the end of 2020.

[@warhol20000]

Quotation from “the leopard” (il gattopardo) a novel by Tomasi di Lampedusa