Anarcho-Capitalism In Practice

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Okay so the first simulation attempt did not bring the desired result. We have to try again.
0:00 - 0:25 Intro
0:25 - 2:24 Icecapistan
2:24 - 3:12 Fundamental issues with AnCap-ism
3:12 - 3:50 Setting the stage
3:50 - 4:34 Channel plug
4:34 - 4:49 Simulation parameters
4:49 - 16:15 Dear God
16:15 - 17:50 Outro
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[@AdamSomething]

If my voice sounds a bit odd, that's because I was a bit sick during recording. Oh well. Additionally, let me save hours of furious AnCap typing and response video editing with the following addendum: Rational self-interest is strictly a "first person limited" thing, i.e. the person decides what is rational based on their own reasoning, perspective and life situation. What might seem a completely bonkers act to outside observers might make perfect sense to the actor. In other words, "rational self-interest" is determined internally by the actor, and not externally by a theoretical "rational observer". However, outside observers can still extrapolate what the actor will do based on their circumstance and past actions.

[@M1chlos]

Get well soon

[@evanpruitt-crawford6990]

As if* this will stop furious anticap typing lmao

[@xyria3230]

Without ever ofc, discussing why socialism is better or defining it, not that i am capitalist but i bet u think that racism = liberal and that socialism -/ racism XD

[@xyria3230]

@@Andy-hi2nm i have an interest in debating a couple of things and ile mainly ask questions (cus im sure most of you dont even understand anything about economy) First point would be: do u think, IF market is privately owned, it is capitalist, and if market is publicly owned it is socialist period. Second point is do u think racism/wokeness whatever u want to call it has anything to do with fucking economy or being left or right? and do u think racists can be socialist Third main point is, if a country is truly socialist by definition (equal pay in exchange for ABILITIES and WORK) then how would immigration from the 3rd world actually work in such a state Final point is if i told u lower africas average IQ was 82 and many countries have close to dull levels of intellect and education, (many are at 70 iq) would u say its racist

[@blipboigilgamesh7865]

@@xyria3230 well, for once my point is that this video and the discussion surrounding is not about wether socialism works or not, neither it is about how or if race relations factor in capitalism and liberal ideology. So it's barely a step above bait to take those strawman points up since the discussion's not about either of those things Edit: like yeah ofc he wouldnt bring up socialism or how racism factors in this simulation because it's not on the scope of the video. That's just how most quality academic content has worked for centuries now

[@MoonatikYT]

Ancaps when paying taxes: 🤬 Ancaps when paying their annual subscription fee to General Government Services Incorporated: 🤩

[@uhohhotdog]

@@anshc838 hahahahahahahahaha

[@uhohhotdog]

@@anshc838 disagree. Thinking businesses can’t have monopolies is ridiculous. There’s a reason anti trust laws exist

[@squidcultist0022]

@@anshc838 this is a joke right? Business literally become Monopolies especially without anti trust laws

[@andrewfox368]

@@anshc838 you can’t cancel a subscription if the service the company provides is essential and a monopoly.

[@archkull]

​@@anshc838 Riiiight, I am sure you wouldn't enjoy the idea of the government being able to see what websites you visit, what you buy online, what you like to watch, what your personal opinions and tastes are so they can shove advertisements down your throat to make you buy- oh wait, that's exactly what the likes of Google, Microsoft, Amazon, Facebook for just four examples do! Amazon and Google even put an actual listening device in your home that people PAY for! But it's only bad if the government does that right? Because people can just stop paying these companies and they'll go under! Oh no wait, they won't because most of all people are entirely dependent on them either directly or through the multiple other companies and services they buy out to cull any form of alternative to pop up to make it impossible for people to do exactly that! If a government doesn't provide it's services you have to wait till the next election, but if we are comparing things that way, if this model of businesses were to be compared to a government, it'd be equal to a goverment party being able to disband any opposing party so that nobody can vote for them. What a wonderful world that picture paints.

[@overanalyzingavatar]

I read the title as "Arachno-Capitalism" and thought that this was gonna be a video about if we let spiders be the government.

[@Roxor128]

That's not a bad idea for a series on economics. Using cartoon spiders as the characters illustrating the concepts in action.

[@FelisImpurrator]

I support the spiders.

[@julymonarchy7341]

Tbh not bad

[@melon_man_dan6888]

Dude I love your channel

[@unknownuser3926]

I hate spiders but I'd take them over libertarians tbh

[@brianchan8]

This is unrealistic. He didn’t lower the age of consent

[@marrowkaiproductions7053]

but there wasnt a government in the first place so no age of consent at all

[@brianchan8]

@@marrowkaiproductions7053 no billy bob would just evict anyone who thought the age of consent should not be 3

[@cameron7938]

Ancaps: Hey so what if we just literally redo feudalism. I will TOTALLY be the guy in charge haha this will never back fire. *gets sold into slavery*

[@werce9120]

KENSHI

[@archkull]

@@werce9120 Never imagined I'd see Kenshi mentioned here lmfao. Masterpiece of a game.

[@danielstan2301]

it is fun how they fail in capitalism on easy mode where state prevents anyone from harming them or getting too much power, but they asume that they will do better when their neighbour wants to kill them for a goat, the local gang leader wants to take their food and rape their wife or when the winter is coming and instead of state help for heating themselves they will just die on the street because of no firewood

[@isaac6077]

Or you can be a socialist… then everyone is a slave

[@isaac6077]

@@danielstan2301 bud the most ancap actual people and the monoply men you hate so much and they do ridiculely well to the point that they can personally remake laws all across the world

[@haraldisdead]

"Billy Bob also had strong opinions about age of consent laws."

[@xCorvus7x]

@Galil This doesn't make the scenario any less valid, though, since "anarcho"-capitalism also presumes that no one would fight back against capitalism.

[@sookendestroy1]

@Galil the same time though there are examples of nearly all of these tactics being used in the past or currently. Look at most companies nowadays and you see most of them atleast in part. In the past entire company towns were designed like this, try protesting the guy in charge for his mandate on segregation, religious purity, prohibition and the likes when he pays everyones wage with his own special currency so you cant buy outside of the town with your savings, runs your utilities, supplies your grocery story, owns the police, all housing, is himself the local government and organizes all local community events and regulates work hours. The only reason towns like those collapsed was because of outside help, as well as the brutality against workers becoming so great the government had to step in and break most of these systems up.

[@gogogadget1855]

I have a very strong opinion on the application of bullets in curing the disease of pedophilia.

[@_adeniyi_]

Please give me a hint about this Billy Bob.

[@Charon-5582]

@@gogogadget1855 would you describe it as being violently allergic?

[@czheracar3949]

1. Chaos causes insecurity 2. Band together to increase your chances 3. Grow past manageable size 4. Elect a leader to better manage 5. You have a fucking government

[@fokocrispis4036]

@@proprietarycurez8463 Oh perfect, so we can "vote" between assholes who built a monopoly or a oligopoly.

[@Death_By_Media]

Pretty much ... with almost certainly some mass murder or genocides between 3 & 4 , 4 & 5 and certainly after 5 also repeat 1 between 3 & 4 and so .... well it’s a completely stupid idea is what I’m getting at .

[@iexist1300]

@@proprietarycurez8463 or you can just vote

[@gonzalo4722]

@@proprietarycurez8463 "i can clunt money but i can't count votes" ... what?

[@gonzalo4722]

@@proprietarycurez8463 ... shouldn't you?

[@MrTimebomb12]

I once asked an ancap if he was okay with the fact that living in such a society could entail fighting for your life on a common basis and will likely involve having to kill someone. His response was "Yeah, and I'd win all the time." Thats all I had to know to figure out that no sane person is an ancap

[@bobbyneaves9551]

I’ll take, “that never happened”, for 500 Alex

[@boarfaceswinejaw4516]

@@bobbyneaves9551 literally every libertarian who has ever spouted the "good guys with guuuns" bullshit.

[@Setixir]

​@@bobbyneaves9551 almost every ancap I have ever met has this same mentality. "Well yea it's dog eat dog but I'll be the one eating." They all think they'll be winners

[@walterhoward5512]

They have an invincibility delusion. I think that's really common among most conservatives.

[@WhereShallWeGoToday]

​@@Setixir Sounds like the audience for a zombie movie. THEY will all survive. THEY are much smarter than the cast and would never make such bad mistakes. 😂

[@rlh1984]

It’s baffling to me that anyone could not see that anarcho-capitalism would end up at feudalism.

[@timmycorini]

what is your better solution? forced slavery communism?

[@thelittleredhairedgirlfrom6527]

When I first read about Anarcho-Capitalism my immediate thought was “wouldn’t this turn into a mafia-state?”

[@idontknowaboutthat1904]

Regular capitalism devolves into feudalism...

[@SolideroftheLulz]

Yea its easy to see that if your view is tainted by confirmation bias. Its not like AnCaps have thought all this through and come up with solutions to all these objections even before critics noticed them.

[@Riskofdisconnect]

​@@SolideroftheLulzi'd be really interested to hear how any such solution would even be implemented in an individualist anarchist world. Seems impossible to me that any rule would be able to be enforced as that is antithetical to ancap thought and it would either become anarcho-communist in the best case of feudal at worst (and most likely).

[@theamazingaviator1084]

"Anarcho Capitalism in practice" >its just rust gameplay

[@rudolfsbernans5134]

LMAO

[@warsawpact1548]

What would that make the PvE servers, I wonder.

[@elmoantero99]

rust has the problem of npc traders

[@docchoc2407]

Elon Rust

[@stevefan8283]

or Fallout in some sense, if Enclave and NCR are not involved

[@calebr7199]

I was hoping you would get to Billy-Bob dying and his kids fight over company ownership in a civil war, like some kind of succession war. That seems interesting.

[@saltysheev5502]

My guess is that the nobility would start an internal power struggle unless there is a clearly defined and respected heir either probability of civil war is high

[@Robert0Pirie]

Let's get them to do that as a part two... "AnCapistan 2: Till Kingdom Come" where the civil war breaks out between his children and the fighting impoverishes much of the middle class inside the wall. From this a popular leader from among the people arises and the final living Billy-Bob child assumes the thrown. Then a third to round out the trilogy... where the Blackwater solders are told to fire on women and children approach Billy-Bob's inner wall demanding bread. The security forces fracture under conflicting amoral orders. A commune is formed by the outside farm workers, revolting solders, and now impoverished former middle class from inside the walls. Call it: "AnCapistan 3: Long Live the Commune."

[@lief3414]

I feel that there are so many variables in that scenario that it would take long to explore, introduce speculations instead of logic chain and alienate from the topic. I would love to see that nonetheless.

[@andro7862]

@@Robert0Pirie The People's Republic of Ancapistan.

[@yegorgribenuke6853]

Team Fortress 2 lore

[@MrHombreLaser]

Imagine the drug wars. Cartels battling it out for power, executing their enemies, running protection rackets. Now imagine instead of drugs, were talking about televisions, hamburger joints, furniture. I think that's a pretty decent image of how an anarchocapitalist society would look like.

[@fordprefect859]

yep. This is a scenario where McDonalds and Burger King would nuke each other as soon as they could. Pepsi and coke would wage a third world war immediately.

[@MrRazer94]

That sounds like Cyberpunk origins story

[@Cacowninja]

The drug war is a government policy which has caused the violence there is today. Ban drugs and people will go to edge of the universe to provide them often violently. Not a good idea. Also seriously? A free market where you can buy those things easily is what you think will have violence in it? Really dude, you just buy and earn stuff. No violence like you'd have with government prohibition.

[@MrHombreLaser]

@@Cacowninja Yes, if drugs were legalized (in both sides of the border) now companies who pay taxes and are regulated would be the ones providing the drugs. Thing is in an anarchocapitalist society that isn't going to happen. A case study you should check out is the state of Michacán in Mexico. Long story short, it doesn't have a government. The cartels fight one another AND the militias the people have formed to defend themselves. The state is nonfunctional and nonexistent and the military has explicit orders not to engage. What makes you believe that in an anarchocapitalist society that wouldn't happen? Prohibiton wouldn't exist, yes, but I highly doubt the competing companies wouldn't do everything in their power to win a monopoly, even if those actions mean breaking the NAP.

[@SaraphDarklaw]

A minor background story in final fantasy 7 is how a mega corp monopolized the world’s energy sources and went to war with an actual country to secure more resources. They had a military, a spy network, and genetically enhanced special forces to maintain power.

[@TrinityShoji]

"They were so concerned about the government, they FORMED a government"

[@sandran17]

'This was a lot of fun and I think I'll give it another try' Dude just wants an excuse to play more Cities: Skylines

[@pedrovascodeoliveiraveriss6293]

And what's Wrong with that? 😁

[@parsley3215]

Serious question, was the app/game he used cities skylines? I have shit internet so I had to watch @ 360p and yeah

[@sandran17]

Its my best guess.

[@darkleome5409]

That's a noble goal

[@user-gb7cl8np3p]

@@parsley3215 yes

[@giorgialadashvili4771]

And remember Billy Bob is relatively OK as far as self-made feudal lords go. No murder sprees, no executions, no demands to worship him as the God's appointee. Many in his place wouldn't be so nice.

[@thomasalberto613]

Yeah, but it's not impossible for a person not to become tyrannical. However, since he was basically a king, his children would probably inherit the power, and the more hungry for power would probably win out over the more benevolent brothers, which basically means tyranny would be inevitable in a system like that.

[@marcossidoruk8033]

Nobody in his place would be so nice, not even I, not even you, we all know it, that's the human condition (and I don't mean this in a bad way, we would be really boring animals if it weren't for our violence and desire to dominate over stuff). The thing is that this video assumes the absolute best case scenario even if unrealistic in order to make a stronger case.

[@kakerei]

@@marcossidoruk8033 Nah, it wouldn't be boring. We wouldn't have to worry about war or bandits so we would just chill and play in rivers and do sports when we're not farming/working

[@DevonBowen]

@@marcossidoruk8033 I think "nice tyrants" like Billy Bob are possible, for a while. The issue is that Jimmy John in the next town over might not have the same scruples, and will have no problems with some mild genocide to remove Billy Bob's ruling class, and elevate some new loyalists from those disenfranchised people outside the wall. That's how you go from fiefdom to kingdom.

[@heitorpedrodegodoi5646]

@@kakerei And be extinct, Dodos died because they didn't know what is a predador, nor how to properly react to it, evem herbivores are in some point aggressive.

[@msaag5490]

I love how the simulation chapter is just titled "Dear God." It could function both as a "Dear God, these are the circumstances needed to create an an-cap society growing, please let it happen" or a "Dear God, why would anyone want this abomination to occur, send help, with loves and kisses."

[@ThunderTheBlackShadowKitty]

Bahahaha I always thought it was Adam saying "Dear God why is this happening..."

[@user-mb9np6sh7u]

I like how Adam seemingly randomly chose a water company in the beginning to deliver the "Blackwater" pun after half of the video. Made me genuinely smile

[@artstsym]

No you don't understand, everyone signed a contract saying we *weren't* doing a feudalism.

[@msaag5490]

True because we sign a piece of paper saying we aren't doing Feudalism 100% guarantees whatever happens next will NOT be Feudalism.

[@BigPapaMitchell]

@@msaag5490 Yes, that is in fact the joke

[@seafoam6119]

corporations : I can't read >:)

[@SKy_the_Thunder]

"It's not feudalism, you see. The Order of Managers is not a fixed class of "warrior nobility", The Great Saviour Billy-Bob can replace them at his leisure and any of you have the chance to rise to this position provided you're loyal to this great town! So all is in order and the contract upheld!" It's all about how far you can move the goal post without people rioting.

[@HandSolitude]

No such thing as a contract in Ancap. A deal is whatever you want it to be.

[@SadisticSenpai61]

Every time I talk to libertarians (anarcho-capitalists), they _always_ end up describing a feudal society with themselves as either lords or kings. Every single time.

[@skeetsmcgrew3282]

Much like regular pure capitalists, they never imagine themselves as the victims of this society. Always the victor

[@niggacockball7995]

Same with the communists, they think they would be one of those higher class goverment people and play vido games all day without doing any work

[@vurpo7080]

it's so obvious when someone tries to "BuT bOtH sIdES" the discussion by claiming "ackshuyally, everyone who holds any sort of political ideals is just as stupid as ancaps"

[@daod8286]

@@niggacockball7995 as a communist, I assume that by the time it's established I'll be dead fighting for it, which is the case for most of convicted communists.

[@MrJimheeren]

@@niggacockball7995 no they don’t. Communist imagine themselves getting rid of the the former upper class one way or another. The problem with far left and far right is always the amount of blood that has to be spilled to get their society started

[@DanRegueira]

I've always told Ancaps that their ideal scenario would just evolve into feudalism over time, thanks for painting that image in such detail 😂

[@MK_ULTRA420]

All forms of anarchy turn into feudalism yet ancaps and ancoms act like _they're_ the exception 😂

[@annieothername]

How would anarchy or anarchocommunism devolve to feudalism?

[@MK_ULTRA420]

@@annieothername Some people want more wealth and power than others, and other people just want a leader to follow.

[@annieothername]

I’m not sure I understand…I’m guessing so pls correct me if need be. Are you implying something about an innate human condition of either wanting more “wealth and power” or “someone to follow” and therefore, without a centralized government, feudalism happens?

[@MK_ULTRA420]

@@annieothername According to media entertainment, literally yes.

[@LisaBeergutHolst]

Ancaps: Everything will operate on voluntary contracts _Gangsters and warlords appear_ Ancaps: *Surprised Pikachu face*

[@murphy7801]

Yeah chinas warlords era would be a really good example of that.

[@zlayer3170]

Wrong! Ancaps: Taste my RPG!

[@legalfictionnaturalfact3969]

the govt is the BIGGEST "gangsters and warlords" in existence, far and away, child. lmao tell us: do you and your friends choose a restaurant with help from the govt? would you prefer to apply for a license to participate in PIV intercourse? how far do you want this permission-begging to go, sweetie? hahaha.

[@mochalo4912]

well than private military and contractors will appear too

[@Abazur7]

@@mochalo4912 what if I told you that the ‘private contractors’ are just another name for warlords and gangsters? Only difference between the two in ancapistan is pr.

[@cranberryred9780]

An "anarcho"-capitalist zone would become a slave state immediately.

[@truantakuma6234]

its funny to me that people call it anarcho-capitalism when its not really anarchist at all, you're just getting rid of the state, thats literally it, anarchy isnt just "when no government"

[@halcyonickaiju]

Truant Akuma It would turn out that whoever could push with the most force would rule, and then we would be right back to government again ...only a corrupt one based on force and brutality instead of anything remotely democratic

[@somethinggamar9119]

@@just_a_turtle_chad whole new level of rainbow capitalism

[@richpryor9650]

@@just_a_turtle_chad You mean interns

[@sheepbeeps3369]

Rude, they're not slaves. They're perpetually indentured labor debtors.

[@MrRizeAG]

Ancapistan has been tried, in the American "Old West", where the federal government couldn't really reach with any high degree of force. So what was it like? Unsurprisingly, corporations created their own city governments built around whatever resource extraction operation was there, enslaved the population through housing, loans, debt, and private "taxes", and created some of the worst living conditions in all of human history. Thousands upon thousands died in the mines in the middle of nowhere with absolutely no way of escaping, including child slaves. Some people literally went to WAR with the company that owned them, usually unsuccessfully. That is the promise of Ancapistan, or Companytowns as they're more commonly known.

[@danubeisreallypeculiarrive7944]

That was described as Utopia by Ancap who I used to chat with. It's just kinda messed up.

[@nathanlevesque7812]

My favorite part is that they created their own company money often called scrips. There was no saving up and leaving. Any money you made was worthless outside that specific company serfdom.

[@mjstecyk]

Bosses made their money in gold, workers got paid in company scrip. Happened in the Appalachia too.

[@marechaltukhachevsky2909]

Do you recommend any book on this topic?

[@casperchristiansen2458]

Anti-JP Morgan Action!

[@TheMisterGuy]

The best part about this is how benevolent it is. This is pretty much the best possible outcome from an ideal starting point, and it's still medieval feudalism.

[@Toddalotapodamus]

It most assuredly is not the best possible starting point.

[@TheMisterGuy]

@@Toddalotapodamus No, it is an ideal starting point. I mean ideal in the sense that it's a clean slate. There's no contamination from vestiges of a previous form of government or religions or cultures that clash or anything that would complicate matters. It's as perfectly clean a start as could be.

[@Toddalotapodamus]

@@TheMisterGuy it's not an ideal starting point because it handwaves the emersion of an ancap society as if *how* it is achieved is of little consequence. The video itself is riddled with these types of assumptions and an obvious lack of understanding, not only with regard to ancap ideology but with basic economics and civics in general. We can discuss if you want.

[@TheMisterGuy]

@@Toddalotapodamus "it's not an ideal starting point because it handwaves the emersion of an ancap society as if how it is achieved is of little consequence." OK, sure. It handwaves that part, but I don't know if that's really important for this case. I think this is talking about where it ends up, but the specific ideology might not really matter when we're just saying what the result will be. If some system unavoidably ends with 90% of the population starving or in death camps within the first five years of the regime, hypothetically, then...would the ideological underpinning of that system really make a difference? Other than recognizing it as something we should put a stop to the second we see it on the horizon, why do we care? "We can discuss if you want." OK. From my perspective, libertarian and ancap type systems have some really critical flaws that lead to power concentration in one way or another. I think that power doesn't naturally self-distribute in an unregulated environment, so you need a system (government with adequate strength) to distribute it. You also, of course, need to engineer that government to be resistant to takeovers, which requires things like voting rights, education, and general awareness of politics and understanding of things like media and propaganda by the general populace. All of this is essentially attempting to maintain order within chaos and will eventually fall in the same way every living organism will eventually die, but we can still aim for more equitable and stable systems over the ones that will collapse into utter chaos or power concentration right away. How do you see these systems?

[@Toddalotapodamus]

@@TheMisterGuy I definitely appreciate that you have ideas beyond what the video provided, especially as I find it so wanting. That said, I'd like to address some of that before moving past it. Adam's video posits nearly every claim from a vacuum. We're to make multiple leaps of logic merely to arive at his starting point of this make believe city. In his premise, we're told that society would have it's infrastructure in tact, but that pretty well goes right out the window immediately after being presented. Society seems to be structures in some weird post-civilisation future where populations are such that only one man has the idea to provide better water (an issue that effects everyone) but there is somehow the manpower and wealth to build the infrastructure for his expansion. For some reason, even though these people would have the same education, technology and weaponry as we do today, nobody questions the shadier aspects of Billy Bob's enterprise. Somehow there's no competition Bob has to overcome. And somehow, Bob manages to accomplish something that there is no recorded history of ever being done before: shut down a potential competitor with predatory pricing. And he's somehow able to do this several times. We can move past the video, but do you see why I'd find it lacking? Do you disagree with anything I've said so far?

[@MrMiddleWick]

The problem is that they know it. Ancaps just imagine themselves to be the ones on top, regardless how likely it'd be.

[@archkull]

Yep! From my personal point of view what I've noticed is that ancaps only pay attention to how the idealistic life would be for the ones on top with little care nor idea on what effects it would have for the people on the bottom, and ancoms only pay attention to what the idealistic life would be like for the ones on the bottom with little care nor idea on what effects the ones at the top (which will form inevitably) will have on them. They should all just get into worldbuilding and roleplay instead.

[@paulmahoney7619]

What was the term again? Oh yeah, Temporarily Embarrassed Millionaires.

[@Autonova]

Reminds me of that sketch in Family Guy: "I don't like taxes, let's abolish the government. Let's instead make an organisation which manages everything and we pay it yearly contributions to keep it running. And every so often we ask the town's population how they want things run."

[@haraldisdead]

South park did something similar with a hippie commune

[@livewire2759]

The difference everyone fails to see is that one is voluntary and the other is forced. If you want to volunteer to have people rule you, I'm fine with that, just don't force me to participate.

[@felipedaiber2991]

@@livewire2759 something something migrants

[@livewire2759]

@@felipedaiber2991 Something something... not an argument... ?

[@joseph1150]

And just like a corporate shareholders meeting, completely rigged and the result predetermined through graft and aggressive use of money.

[@noradrenalin8062]

"Anarcho-Capitalism" is my favorite way of saying Neo-Feudalism.

[@fredmdea785]

I mean, even some anarcho capitalists agree with that. There's this christian ancap youtuber in my country, and he actually believes feudalism was the best time ever

[@InventorZahran]

@@fredmdea785 But feudalism was only good if you were a landlord or a king. For everyone else, it was certainly not the best time ever...

[@mem7806]

@@InventorZahran to my knowledge it was arguably better than capitalism in some respects - as generally everyone at least had a place in society

[@mvalthegamer2450]

@@InventorZahran Well, Kind of... See, feudalism seems to be the norm in times of stagnant technology. The two times Feudalism was shaken ever in the world (around the fall of the Roman Empire and around the late Industrial Revolution) there were major changes in the world. Iron tipped ploughs and mass adoption of cavalry archers in the first case and the rise of a powerful merchant class at odds with the existing nobility in the second. And for all we lambast it today, feudalism actually worked as intended for its near-continuous 1000 year run. It provided stability and protection, which was its promise. And in some way, unless a massive space colonization boom kicks out in like 30 years or something, feudalism is essentially where we are headed

[@fredmdea785]

@@InventorZahran yeah I agree with you. I'm not an anarchocapitalist nor do I think feudalism was great, just pointing out that some ancap wouldnt be so discouraged by the argument that society would become feudal

[@kod-s]

Government has an important role that all capitalists like to forget. It keeps track of who owns what and prevents brute force takeovers. It routinely happened in the 90s Russia. The government was practically non-existent, and gangs would just roam the cities and take over whatever property they wanted.

[@Elyseon]

And then a gang of KGB thugs took over the government.

[@kod-s]

@@Elyseon the largest gang won and formed the government. As always.

[@mariano1196]

Ironically enough, a lot of SocDems also forget about that.

[@tefky7964]

@@mariano1196 What has SocDem to do with this?

[@mariano1196]

@@tefky7964 Nothing, just pointing out that the state is the first provider of capitalism. Something statists like Adam tend to forget all to easy.

[@twilightwyrm]

I have no idea why anyone would be surprised at anarcho-capitalism turning into feudal monarchy. It already happened at least once with the whole, you know, rise of civilization thing.

[@MarcelinoDeseo]

This is basically how city-states were created in ancient times.

[@caracaes]

And how any of that legitimises the State existing and make it ethical? The whole argument of the video is basically "If the State doesn't exist, someone will form a State". Ok, that's probably true. But that just validates the point ancaps make that the State was formed and is maintained by violence and that it is not ethical. You're walking on the street and see two robbers, each on each side of the street. One is going to rob you all of your money, the other is going to rob you only half of your money. Of course most people will choose to be robbed only half, but that doesn't make the robber ethical, they're still committing a crime against you.

[@suvl]

@@caracaes you presented the problem, but not the solution. Is there any?

[@caracaes]

@@suvl Yes, by not agreeing with the State robbing us and reducing its influence and power, making voluntary interactions more common, creating a culture that isn't dependant on coercion. And if a company starts doing violent things like the State does, we oppose that company as well. Ancapism does not proposes an utopian solution to all problems, but an eternal and restless struggle against tyranny. Even if ancaps get rid of State, there will always be people willing to use violence to form it again. We just keep opposing them just like we did in the first time. Ancaps don't support a revolutionary take down of the State like socialism because that just creates a power vacuum thay will be filled by a tyrant. Instead it is about changing people's culture until this kind of violence becomes rejected by society as a whole. Then the State won't need to exist any more. But for that to happen, we must treat what the State does today with disgust. Otherwise people will simply keep defending violence indefinitely.

[@Tardig]

@@caracaes If ancapism produces city states reliably then why embrace it if you are anti-state? A private land (and labor) owner has no significant deterrent to just creating a state the legitimize and protect his wealth. If you want a constant struggle for freedom that is decentralized then what problems do you have with non-statist confederations of Co-op unions? Secondly how do you propose reforming the state as opposed to dismantling it in a way that lays ground for this hypothetical "non-corporatist" capitalism. Thirdly how do you propose that objects, resources, labor be commodified (priced) without the state? Capitalism arose under and adjuct to the state and it's legality and definitions of the commodity of defined by such. I wonder...would you consider the East India Trading Company Ancapist? I totally agree with you about creating a culture where mutual exchange is natural and primary but to me that entails breaking down comodification of labor

[@caracaes]

@@Tardig I have no problem with co-op confederations, I think their objective is pretty similar to ancapism, just with a different approach. As long as they don't force anyone to join them, they can organise as they please. I even think that in a free market, co-ops would have the competitive edge against centralised companies. However, anarcho syndicalism proposes abolition of currency, which I don't think can happen without coercive enforcement. Without a State, people will use gold, private bank notes and now crypto as currency and a price system can exist independently of the State. So without coercion what results is a free market economy, not collective property.

[@wjlasloThe2nd]

You see, the thing you're missing Adam is that every ancap believes that *he* would be Billy-Bob if the guvment didn't get in his way with taxes and laws

[@Kriegter]

so basically what happened to sicily with the mafia

[@simoneburini4036]

@@Kriegter that's a completely different story

[@random_name3977]

That's basically the lynchpin of capitalism: the lottery fallacy: sure there are huge inequalities but everybody believes they have a shot at getting on the good side of wealth, and actually the more inequal things are, the highest the prize, the more the lottery is attractive. And just like in real life the chance to win is very low and you're statistically just giving your stuff away... Except with the real life lottery people who have won in the past don't get to get most of the prizes.

[@krollpeter]

I was told that's exactly what most Americans think. However, the most successful form of capitalism so far is the Scandinavian model.

[@kelvinize]

No we dont

[@bakubakumusic7351]

I personally believe that this is probably the actual worst possible system of government. I actually think its worse than just not having a society at all, because it allows enough resource extraction, and productivity to be able to maximize suffering for the largest possible number of money cows... I mean citizens.

[@belltowersubductions5104]

The Icelandic Commonwealth is incredibly interesting. It arguably started out as something more akin to anarcho-communism, being as it was a bunch of self-sufficient familial agricultural communes, before the people with the most wealth and power did what they do best and snatch up more wealth and power, everyone else is too poor to stop them, there are no checks or balances to stop them, it stops looking like a bunch of self sufficient farming communities and starts to look more like a bunch of warlords having territorial scuffles, and at that point the King of Norway is infinitely preferable to the Icelandic Commonwealth. Ancom without checks and balances creates ancap, ancap without checks and balances allows a few small, powerful people with all the wealth and money and power to take over, and at that point it's literally just feudalism: landlords holding all the power.

[@wren_.]

common denominator: anarchy is terrible and will always devolve into something else

[@johnwright7916]

​@@wren_. We were anarchists for the first 200'000 years of our human history before the dawn of agriculture were resources could be hoarded and resulted in people exerting a monopoly on violence. Checks and balances need to be made in order to stop people accumulating too much power, that's what the whole philosophy is based on. You act like our current global economy isn't in any way unstable and has not constantly changed over the past 100 years.

[@wren_.]

@@johnwright7916 that’s because we lived in caves. now humans have this nifty thing called civilization, which requires structure.

[@johnwright7916]

@@wren_. hunter gatherer societies did have structure. If you think human history before agriculture was just "UGG" then I you have to check your bias.

[@wren_.]

@@johnwright7916 yeah but they didn’t have civilization levels of structure. they had families and clans and stuff, but that on its own is not enough to support 8 billion humans

[@TorreFernand]

this was way too idealistic. The water tower guy would've surely sent thugs to bust Billy Bob's kneecaps before he got too far if he could act with stateless impunity

[@homesteadlegion4419]

That was the point, he took the most idealistic route to show that even with the best possible scenario it would still end up failing.

[@ethanphilpot7643]

@@homesteadlegion4419 less failing and more revealing what the actual system would inevitably end up resembling under the *absolute most optimal circumstances* It's only a failure if your goal is to preserve a democracy...which most libertarians and ancaps aren't actually that interested in

[@homesteadlegion4419]

@@ethanphilpot7643 well i would still consider it a failure since it would evolve into some kind of feudalism and therefore no longer exist as anarcho-capitalism. At least in my mind

[@Brakvash]

The point is AnCap is too rigid to exist in an evolving world where humans - not robots - live. Same for communism.

[@zachfakelastname]

@@Brakvash the video literally says nothing about communism

[@alexanderwalker3906]

“And now back to Ancapistan.” * 30s unskippable ad* Seems about right.

[@Taevec]

Completely forgot I have KZbin Red.🤦‍♀️

[@Sink_boat1]

Completly Forgot i had an adblocker 🤦‍♀️

[@oleksijm]

More like 30m unskippable

[@the_hanged_clown]

fun fact: if you absolutely must use the youtube app, first ensure "personalized ads" is turned on and "autoplay" turned off, next tap on the timestamp of the offending ad in the bottom left corner of the video player and select "I don't want to see this ad", then "yes", and finally "close" to stop most ads in their tracks and dismiss any others before your video begins. also after doing this you can skip to the end of the video (use the above method if it lets you to the ads that may play at the end of the video) and hit the replay button. all ads drop from the video after you've "already watched" the video, leaving one free to watch uninterrupted and completely free. bonus fact: these also work on youtube's ad supported movies and your favorite 10hr loops.

[@KirkHermary]

No ads on Brave.

[@bartoszmadejski6099]

'Once you introduce a power vacuum by ending the government, it makes sense that capitalism will fill that vacuum, but this time with a truly autocratic structure' 10/10.

[@georgelane6350]

We have tried anracho capitalism so many times already. Every single time it has ended as feudalism, or religious feudalism. The entire 'dark ages' was just warlords in An-cap societies fightin to exert more control. Viking era Scandinavia and Britain is the best possible example of this.

[@SC-dm1ct]

Those weren't capitalist, just anarchy. An-Cap society was like the wild west, or the coal companies in Appalachia. The gilded age and industrial revolution was essentially an-cap. It was throttled and regulated by government, which worked to limit the power and influence of massive businesses and moguls over the political system. Those regulations were then removed when the politicians were bought off, and the laws rewritten to circumvent or eliminate earlier restrictions. It just swings back and forth.

[@georgelane6350]

@@SC-dm1ct yeah, the wild west and coal mine towns are pretty great examples of how bad an-cap societies are. I disagree that middle age societies weren't capitalist though. Capitalism is when money can be freely exchanged for goods and services. That has been true since money was invented

[@Yora21]

"The American Dream was never about living in a land free of kings. The American Dream was always that you could become the king."

[@Kriegter]

this scenario is basically the timeline of a mafia

[@skyclaw]

But somehow _everyone_ can become a king.

[@davidmaka6742]

And that‘s why it‘s called a dream. Because you‘d have to be asleep to believe it.

[@Yora21]

@@skyclaw Only a few, because they still need people to have power over. In Europe, it can't be you. But over in America, there is a chance that it could become you. And when you give up everything and leave everything behind, you better not consider the possibility that it won't be you.

[@Balstrome1]

There is no such thing as a poor American, they just think they are not yet rich.

[@xXRickTrolledXx]

I like that the one time Humans made an Anarcho-Capitalist “state,” it ended with them voting in feudalism. Fucking poetry in motion.

[@kronos444]

@Lt. JoeAnimatez when they asked the King of Norway to rule over them, lol

[@eazy8579]

@Lt. JoeAnimatez the Iceland Commonwealth, at roughly 0:30

[@AverageAlien]

That's automatically not anarcho capitalism then

[@xXRickTrolledXx]

@@AverageAlien Yeah, it stopped being Anarcho-Capitalism when it transitioned into back into feudalism when they voted in the King of Norway.

[@dimamatat5548]

Federalism is just feudalism 2.0.

[@jennosyde709]

I feel bad for having dabbled in anarcho-capitalism in the past, though in my defense, I was a naïve edgy teenager who was raised in an ultra conservative household. Then I moved out, got a job, paid my own bills, dealt with discrimination first hand, and got to see how corporations operate and exploit other people (especially their workers) in all their glory.

[@jbird976]

dont feel bad, it's called growing up! Welcome to the party

[@jennosyde709]

@@johnmurdoch8368 1. I had to take a break from university because of medical issues, which were extremely expensive. It has nothing to do with skill and everything to do with being unlucky. 2. Which God? 3. What proof do you have that your deity is real? 4. Just paying bills is not what made me a leftist. Actually seeing discrimination and immense economic inequality is what turned me a leftist. Seeing my coworker collapse on the ground in an unconscious seizure, only to have to turn away the ambulance and the hospital because she did not have the money to afford the medical bills to go to the emergency room. Actually studying socioeconomic injustices and prejudice which systemically work against marginalized groups of people in society, which has been proven time and time again through peer-reviewed research. 5. You are the type of person who would walk up to a homeless person on the street and kick them unprovoked.

[@justanotheryoutubechannel]

The most fascinating part of this is that eventually this feudal society you created would progress further into a mixed society with a parliament and a primitive democracy, which would lead to wars and battles, eventually resulting in a proper democracy after a few false starts, eventually taking them into a modern day society where the democratically voted government struggles to maintain a balance between privatised and nationalised businesses, and an anarcho-capitalist movement builds up demanding an end to all this government malarkey and a return to anarchy as that would save their society, taking us right back to the start and beginning the cycle again.

[@sirpendelton5710]

Embrace the cycle

[@argeus3639]

Today's society isn't democratic. Voting once every 4 years betweem two parties that have the same interests isn't democratic

[@sirpendelton5710]

​@@argeus3639 I want the west to fall

[@roboticgamer8990]

@@argeus3639 only realistic solution for this I can think of is use the internet to enable all citizens to make all decisions, via some sort voting system, with the things to vote on also being creatable by all citizens. the number of people who wind up voting would likely depend on how much they cared about the issue.

[@SharienGaming]

@@argeus3639 i mean no - the US is not really democratic... its oligarchic... or plutocratic if you prefer but the US isnt the worlds society...just one of them it would be nice if you could get on a path to a more democratic society though... that amount of military power in the hands of something so volatile is...unsettling to the rest of the world

[@helast3916]

Anarcho-capitalism Is one of the "only edgy teenagers believe in me" ideologies

[@syzygy6]

Q: what’s the difference between an anarcho-capitalist and a libertarian? A: an anarcho-capitalist goes to high school, and a libertarian isn’t allowed within 1000 feet of one

[@Ohmriginal722]

That and Michael Malice

[@mek101whatif7]

@@syzygy6 The first is an idealist, tge other is retarded

[@InventorZahran]

@@syzygy6 Libertarians could be seen as a threat by the public educational establishment, since schools depend on compulsory education to stay operational. If libertarians got their way and students were given the choice to go to school or not, the majority wouldn't.

[@user-ls4cs1wd2w]

@@InventorZahran congratulations, you just created another apocalyptic scenario for ancapistan

[@andrewgutierrez4841]

And you know what, this is probably the *best* case-scenario.

[@danubeisreallypeculiarrive7944]

*Screams intensify*

[@mimszanadunstedt441]

Anarcho capitalism is literally just the Mafia

[@OctyabrAprelya]

Worst case scenario? (Maybe) Drug cartels.

[@sirnikkel6746]

@@OctyabrAprelya That is the reality. Just look Mexico.

[@andrewgutierrez4841]

​@@OctyabrAprelya I would think something more like some kind of fascistic company town. Hyper-militant & absolutely covered floor-to-ceiling with propaganda.

[@sekkuar]

Anyone who played Bioshock should have a good understanding of what the final stage of ancap looks like.... ... Unless they didn't understand shit.

[@bootblacking]

Frighteningly, there are ancaps who didn't get the fucking point of Bioshock, I presume because your brain has to be defective to think that anarchocapitalism wouldn't immediately dissolve into barbarism.

[@electra_]

breaking news: anarcho-capitalism still has a government, the government just calls itself a corporation.

[@electra_]

@Bob Smith okay after thinking for a bit i guess i can see how it could lay itself out without a govermnent. obv never gonna actually happen but its *possible*

[@BSU3000]

So for Ancapistan to work we just need a society where: -Every person will have perfect knowledge and expertise to make an informed choice in literally every transaction they make. -Every person harmed will have the knowledge, time, and resources to identify the source of the harm and prove that harm in court. -No company will ever form a monopoly or otherwise rig the market, courts, or political system in their favor despite having every incentive to do so. -Every company will clean up after itself environmentally and pay it's employees the true value of their work, despite having no incentive to do so. Yeah, seems so much easier to achieve than a functioning Republic where the government is accountable to the people and so hires experts to intelligently regulate business to prevent abuse.

[@saturationstation1446]

functioning republic... LMAO

[@sailorquestion3229]

@@saturationstation1446 There is no currently working republic, but we must increase the power of the people, educating, complaining and stopping politicians if they go against the ideas of the population. Ancap is the worst solution to anything

[@vacuousbard6410]

@@saturationstation1446 It's like a 100 sided wheel in a world where circle doesn't exist, and people still haven't figure out 101 or more sided wheel yet. Yeah, it might not be as good as the non existent circular wheel but at least it's better than it's 99 or less sided wheel predecessor.

[@wormwoodbecomedelphinus4131]

Helios and JC Denton were right.

[@steverogers8163]

-also that all resources are extremely abundant and evenly distributed around.

[@mr.pavone9719]

I like how Billy-Bob, water baron, hires Blackwater mercs. I noticed this as I'm drinking water that I had to boil because of the recent hurricane.

[@taranullius9221]

Gracious that sounds bad. I hope you're doing OK. This year I'm personally looking forward to seeing if I can break my record of experiencing 50C when we're still in Spring. Climate change is fun!

[@crayonburry]

Me during that freeze in texas: same but it was to keep the house from freezing.

[@makuru_dd3662]

@@crayonburry what, did you burn your house?

[@crayonburry]

@@makuru_dd3662 no I boiled water to keep the house warm whenever the electricity came on, so we had clean water and a warm house

[@zxcheddar]

I promise that I have brought Blackwater in for everyone's benefit! This is for the good of all!

[@Siathuan]

"Acts rationally in their own self-interest" means "forms communal groups to pool labour and resources", _because_ _that_ _is_ _what_ _rational_ _people_ _do!_

[@unhingedegoist]

ergo, egocommunism.

[@tbotalpha8133]

Wow, it's almost like humans evolved to live and work in groups of fellow humans, allowing them to survive more effectively as a collective than they could alone!

[@thatguynoonelikes4865]

I honestly don't care about weather anarcho-Capitalism is dumb or not I just think it's genuinely entertaining to listen to you describe this hypothetical SimCity Society slowly devolve into chaos I've watched all 3 videos, I need more

[@jimbo5276]

"Man I was born in the wrong generation, feudalism is so cool bro, I miss the holy roman empire."

[@letsburn00]

This is actually the risk of reading too much Jane Austin. You forget that often, the protagonist is in the richest 5% of the population but are "poor". Pride and prejudice is about a woman from one of the richest 20,000s family marrying one of the top 200 wealth families. Yet people obsess over the romance of a subsociety of people who do nothing with their lives.

[@siaviken6112]

debate me

[@winsonzhu4427]

Dithmarschen was pretty cool tho, it was a peasant's republic in the HRE and a member of the Hanseatic League.

[@someonesomeone2166]

You romans are all the same, I prefer to naruto run and unsheathe my katana in the land of the rising weaboo 2200 ad

[@sebschimeck1273]

Paging Scott Alexander

[@castillogrande8926]

I'm disappointed he didn't discuss the most successful Anarcho-Capitalist society to ever exist! How dare he not talk about Coconut Island! It's a beautiful utopia! Although after visiting my throat is still a bit sore...

[@arhumahmed1224]

Nice reference

[@flamestoyershadowkill6400]

And it ended up like a certain unsavory spaceship (dev’s spaceship)

[@daemonspudguy]

I don't get the reference.

[@castillogrande8926]

@@daemonspudguy kzbin.info/www/bejne/hn_Tomx-pNyUnbM Here, a present

[@vladimirirkhin]

@@castillogrande8926 thanks!

[@mekingtiger9095]

As an Ex-Ancap, I admit it: I was cringe.

[@DominikSchwager]

How anyone could think that capitalism with even less rules would be a good idea is beyond me.

[@iamthinking2252_]

Because taxes are hard and council sucks baelz

[@86_percent28]

Ah yes. Let’s let the monopolistic corporations just do whatever the f*ck they want. This will definitely not lead to widespread suffering and inequality (Sarcasm)

[@johnswick1351]

It won't lead to any of that just don't buy their stuff if you don't like what they're doing that's why it's called a free market. Edit /s

[@86_percent28]

@@johnswick1351 what if they essentially own that market and I can’t buy from another company because there aren’t any because this big one bought them all or pressured them to bankruptcy yet the goods that company is providing are a necessity? Do you even know what “monopoly” means?

[@themightycat7238]

@@johnswick1351 did you even see the video? You had 2 options Buy from billy bob, or die.

[@shoopp7916]

@@johnswick1351 I’m baffled you don’t even know what a monopoly is yet your leaving condescending critical comments on a video about capitalism.

[@johnswick1351]

I seriously should've put sarcasm at the end of my comment

[@UnorthodoxIndividual]

I will always recall a great discord convo I had with someone, where they said they were embarrassed by Auth Right and wanted to move to lib right, so I said it’s all fun and games til daddy bezos or someone becomes your corporate overlord, to which they replied “well my country has tax barriers that prevent him from having reach here” or something along those lines. And of course I followed that with “And what do libertarians think about taxes?” One of the funniest political conversations I’ve ever had tbh.

[@kcnl2522]

Clown to clown conversation pretty much

[@offdeck8588]

What about ordo or geo libertarians

[@troypowers750]

And it aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaall comes crrrrrrrrrrrrrraashing dowwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwn. KZbin is full of people like that. Hell someone actually tried arguing that companies are left leaning...trust me they are as indifferent as a conservative and climate change mixing together like olive oil and vinegar.

[@fluffynator6222]

@@kcnl2522 OP definitely isn't a clown.

[@kcnl2522]

@@fluffynator6222 if u get yourself into politics, yes you are a clown. Bonus points if you are not from USA which gotta be the most toxic country in the world with overnight activists and 12 year olds chosing a character for themselves after various political beliefs or whatnot. So in conclusion, yes he is a clown.

[@Gaga682]

Practicaly Anarcho Capitalism leads to authocratic monarchy with capitalistic feudalism.

[@samuelginting3213]

Personally been toying with the idea of Ancap for some time but seeing Adam's rendition and doing a bit of toilet seat pondering makes me realize that it will ultimately turn into a feudalistic society and possibly circle back to our modern society

[@SharienGaming]

funny thing is, you can see it happening in the US in real time... as government regulations are rolled back, dismantled and corporate oversight is defunded... those megacapitalists accumulate more and more power and start controlling entire towns and cities and in some cases have started to try establishing themselves as actual governments with their own policeforce... the feudalistic divides and highly dependent serf class already exist... the US isnt far from a fully feudal society and the megarich are pushing to go further, because they would be the feudal lords

[@SolideroftheLulz]

People always focus on the issues, never on the solutions.

[@zacharychristy8928]

Ancaps: "No system of government factors in the human element!" *advocates for a system that only works when everyone is a logical benevolent, omniscient robot*

[@Maxxeine]

"Billy Bob" "Aynville" These names fucking killed me lol. Great use of Cities Skylines too.

[@jimbob9687]

makes me wanna play that game again

[@zxcheddar]

What's wrong with being called Billy Bob? Is there something wrong with that?

[@MazaAzi]

Someone: *explains Anarcho-Capitalism and how it would start* Me: "You know your just describing the mid point between the fall of the western roman empire and the beginning of the dark ages"

[@ZombieApocalypse09]

This was the most educational Killian Experience yet. Seriously though this is something that always frustrates me about laissez-faire capitalists. Power is Power whether or not it is called "government." Also, I think a lot of anarcho-capitalists and libertarians think that if their system were implemented they'd be Billy Bob or at least one of the higher ups.

[@freshwaterwaterfall4003]

Very much appreciated the use of Cities: Skylines to depict the ancap scenario.

[@gregoryferraro7379]

There were multiple company towns across America founded by rich businessmen - Pullman, Indiana being a notable example. Everything in the town was owned by the Pullman Coach Company, the residences, businesses, schools, and even the church. Ultimately, so were the people. Pullman was a feudal lord over the people in the town. It was a terrible place to live, and it was eventually disbanded.

[@user-xg6zz8qs3q]

I remember working 24 day shifts in a huge remote oilfield compressor site in Canada for a full year. I stayed in a camp 3 km from the site. The days lasted 12 hours. The atmosphere was stressful and workers were layed off regularly for breaking safety rules. A foreman got fired because the cleaning personnel found an empty beer can in the dustbin in his room. I was just too mentally and physically exhausted to make conscious decisions and I was constantly forgetting things. But time somehow flew by. Some people even stayed at camp during their 4 days off of the month. They jokingly said "Why pay rent!?". I'm convinced that given the choice, some people (who work 2 jobs and can barely afford rent/food/bills) would gladly accept feudalism for the guaranteed shelter, food and savings on top. I just don't want to endure 5 or 10 years at camp.

[@hydrocarbonartichoke]

actually it was in illinois and is now apart of chicago. one time the workers living there striked for 2 months and the army had to come in and disperse the strike

[@jarroz9620]

@Light Sage That is the "N.A.P" in action right there. If you don't have power to stop someone why wouldn't a capitalist violate the N.A.P to increase profit?

[@nbmi4613]

@@user-xg6zz8qs3q Yet you got paid like 70 dollars an hour

[@user-xg6zz8qs3q]

@@nbmi4613 Nope 21. And I was yelled at constantly 😑 Because I was the field assistant 🙄. Anyways, this resulted in a $4500 paycheck at the end of the month, in addition to low self-esteem, depression and fatigue.

[@brendanfalvy1281]

Me every 2 mins, "And someone starts a protection racket", "C'mon man, by now someone is pulling tithes to keep security", "Okay, when does Billy Bob start a protection racket?" "whoop, there it is!"

[@wyattsperry4584]

This makes sense because if we consider the pre-civilization state of humanity, it basically is Anarcho-Capitalism. And from that pre-civilization state a government forms. Throughout history the "origanal" civilizations (Mesopotamian, Ancient Chinese, Ancient African, Ancient European) all developed into civilizations close to Feudalistic Monarchies upon reaching a size large enough to warrant structure.

[@Terranallias18]

I don't think money was involved before civilization (sic) but yeah

[@Karak-_-]

@@Terranallias18 When there wasn't money there was barter. Bag of wheat to blackmith for new spade, that sort of thing.

[@wolfetteplays8894]

@@Karak-_- ah yes, the purer form of trade

[@user-gu9yq5sj7c]

@@wolfetteplays8894 How can you barter is you want something from someone who doesn't want anything from you?

[@martinpavlicek2299]

​​@@Karak-_-he idea that people used barter before money is now often disputed. Supposedly there is no historical and anthropological evidence for this. Instead they supposedly partake in gift economy... The idea that there was once something like barter economy is just idealisation invented to ilustrate usefulness of currency.

[@sababugs1125]

"the problem with anarco-capitalism is that you eventually run out of being 14" - Margaret Thatcher

[@chompythebeast]

@@davesprivatelounge She was the first Spice Girl, the pioneer of our ideology

[@Wahaller]

Similar problem to every form of anarchy

[@ronanmcintyre]

@A Fels Was Eric Andre LARPing as Irish when he asked Mel B the same question?

[@gonzoengineering4894]

@A Fels Nobody cares what the British want

[@IAmNumber4000]

I think AnCapism is less of a political theory and more of a fantasy where the inherent contradictions of capitalism all get solved and they don't need to give up their capitalist ideology either.

[@pseudoplotinus]

Literally the same for every other type of anarchy

[@IAmNumber4000]

@@pseudoplotinus Not really, normal anarchy (the left-wing kind) is inherently a post-capitalist political economy.

[@MK_ULTRA420]

@@IAmNumber4000 Cool, it would turn into feudalism as quickly as ancapism.

[@archkull]

@@IAmNumber4000 So instead of a fantasy where all contradictions of capitalism get solved...all contradictions of capitalism AND human nature get solved and it will never lead to certain people gaining power over another and revert into feudalism just the same. How great, I think the sun will swallow earth by the time that fantasy can come to life, though.

[@IAmNumber4000]

@@archkull Capitalism itself inherently cannot last forever. Read Marx's critique of the capitalist mode of production. Capitalism must grow by removing labor from the production process, but at the same time, it requires a labor-based economy to continue to exist.

[@roy_mezz-awake2470]

Anarcho-Capitalism in a single sentence: “Let’s put a price on this girl so we can create a market for it!”

[@KingThrillgore]

The younger she is, the higher the price!

[@unknowngod8221]

@@KingThrillgore ah s** s**** at it finest

[@jingbot1071]

@@KingThrillgore 💀💀💀💀

[@Polavianus]

​@@KingThrillgoreAyo

[@user-qi6pv9jh7o]

​​@@KingThrillgore if to think, few will live to be 18yo, so babies will actually be cheaper (because there will be N babies, 50% of that 5yo, 50% of that 10yo, and so on) (Also, everyone over 12yo will be kept by the rich, since they can give birth to more girls)

[@cumunist2120]

So basically anarcho-capatism becomes corporate feudalism fun

[@user-qi6pv9jh7o]

Frank Herbert has thought too, that humanity just always leans to feudalism (and that's why his space operas has barons and dukes and emperor. He seriously believed that, judging by interviews.) Probably, he was right (and actually didn't like feudalism as a governmental system)

[@HandleMyBallsYouTube]

''All nuclear weapons disarmed'' Now hold on you can't just take a man's McNukes like that that's a violation of the NAP

[@l3rlc]

It's ok they turned them all into nuka cola!

[@hurriyetuludr3737]

@@l3rlc atoma cola ⚛️

[@comradetrip5958]

*Big Boss has entered chat*

[@jovindsouza3407]

The second you said "water company" I knew that we were heading face first into feudalism.

[@Daneelro]

I knew it the second he said "Aynville".

[@todortodorov1263]

@isak Because water is commodity with, what we economist call, infinitely inflexible demand. It has no substitute, and no one can object that it's necessary for life. And no matter the price, it will always be bought.

[@georgitonchev6078]

@@todortodorov1263 Water doesn't have substitute, but water supply does.

[@TAP7a]

@@georgitonchev6078 and suppliers talk to each other regularly and share rational class self-interests directly opposed to the non-water supplier class. It is entirely irrational for a small number of suppliers to NOT collude, raise prices, extract wealth etc etc etc rather than compete, especially when one is buying out all the others, and it's the regular folk who suffer for it. Jewelry companies colluding to raise praises just makes for lots of folk not able to afford jewelry. Water suppliers or healthcare providers unregulated by a government OR without a system of ownership that aligns their class interests with the working class breeds only suffering or revolution or both.

[@georgitonchev6078]

​@@TAP7a Statement status: not refuted.

[@technocat9821]

Anarcho capitalism sounds oddly enough like the US during the Gilded Age

[@20_foot_burmese_pyth0n]

The Billy Bob story took a terrifying turn from Rockefeller-like monopolist to borderline medieval feudal lord.

[@guzy1971]

A French humorist said : "later i will live in the land of Theory, because in theory everything is possible".

[@highjumpstudios2384]

Is a humorist different than a comedian?

[@somemaycallthisjunkmeicall133]

@@highjumpstudios2384 A humorist writes while a comedian performs

[@highjumpstudios2384]

@@somemaycallthisjunkmeicall133 Ohh, thank you.

[@alexringess]

The quote is : I'll live in the land of Theory, because theoricaly, everythings goes well.

[@guzy1971]

@@alexringess Pierre Desproges "un jour j'irai vivre en Théorie car, en Théorie, tout se passe bien. Bien vu, Monsieur, ma citation n'était pas totalement exacte.

[@poyaispanic5269]

another blow to meme-based society advocates. well done, good sir.

[@trs4184]

This isn't really a blow though. Anarcho-capitalism is a ridiculous oxymoron, but making a story about its failure isn't an actual argument. This wasn't a "simulation", just a rhetorical fanfiction; entertaining, but not a blow.

[@augustuslunasol10thapostle]

@@trs4184 well yes it's not a simulation but it is a logical out come of anarcho capitalism ie feudalism

[@durianjaykin3576]

What about my syndicalism???

[@ferblancart8669]

most of these 'blows' can be applied to comunism (stateless society) as well

[@yuvalgabay1023]

@@durianjaykin3576 oligarchy mybe. Or even kinda like gangs war sanrio. There is really enough stuff for all the industry. So every worker union will fight each other for thous resources. + The heads of the workers Union can easily become oligrachs whit time

[@abraham2172]

I loved the part when Billy-Bob said "its billying time" and started billying all over the towns people.

[@FromRussia_With_Love]

I have a family member who is something similar to an AnCap supporter. I routinely try to remind him that humans aren't Minecraft villagers that just one-to-one trade with each other all day.

[@dargondude2375]

Am Somali can confirm this to be true. My grandma's business was seized several times just based on clan affiliation and what warlord was in control at the time.

[@RadioGaGago]

Plot-twist: Somalia is secretly "ancap-paradise" in disguise.

[@majacovic5141]

@@RadioGaGago the twist that everyone saw coming and isn't secret at all

[@ahdeyy]

I always wondered why people always brought up somalia when talking about capitalism or ancap in this case, I would love to hear all the "capitalist " wonders of somalia. by the way somalia is a failed state that has nothing remotely to do with capitalism which your story proves.

[@chrisball3778]

I have literally read articles written by Libertarians in the late 1990's that claimed that the collapse of the Somali government was going to lead to a boom in economic productivity there. They genuinely tried to argue that it was going to improve the lives of Somalis. They all seemed to cite the same anecdote about how people had managed to cobble together a working phone system in Mogadishu and claimed it was irrefutable proof that people were better off without a state.

[@ahdeyy]

@@yozul1 no capitalists wants that (wanting private property and being able to whatever you want with said property does not correlate with what you said , no one wants no rules and there is nothing wrong in pursuing ones self-interest ) maybe you should check what capitalism actually means before making baseless claims

[@2sthimo449]

Kinda expected a 4s clip saying "No" but this will do, I guess

[@xCorvus7x]

same, a tad disappointed lol

[@xCorvus7x]

@@internetperson9813 but then the context is missing, so it's not a joke

[@Tankliker]

@@xCorvus7x the context is that it's just impossible.

[@xCorvus7x]

@@Tankliker It is, but Bill Wurtz's video is entirely unrelated to the question.

[@LeoMkII]

This doesn't make sense Billy Bob would have murdered the competence right away, I mean, who's stopping him?

[@mekingtiger9095]

The intention of this simulation is to keep as faithful to the "economy" and general theory of Anarchocapitalism as possible by giving them the most ideal starting scenario for such system instead of outright jumping to people "breaking the rules" to outright start tribal wars out of individual choice exactly to show that even in these ideal circumstances the idea will flop.

[@oddaido]

This strongly reminds me of Ancient Greek City States, with the societal classes of "nobles", citizens inside the city and non-citizens being ruled by the city, but dwelling outside and mostly handling the agriculture. Whether it'd be a monarchy, tyranny or oligarchy.

[@shoktan]

This was both entertaining and insightful. I just have one question though: What happens when Billy Bob dies? *Grabs popcorn bucket*

[@MrRizeAG]

Well, you've actually stumbled onto the very reason that royal families exist. Without clear, objective, and unalterable inheritance rules, the death of Billy Bob will always lead to a succession crisis among his top gener-- uh, "board members". This is why feudal lords crown themselves King of a given area. It's not just ego, it's about keeping the "board members" in their place.

[@Nachtness]

when Billy Bob dies, Billy Bob the 2nd rules

[@PAcifisti]

@@MrRizeAG Usually the "board members" also preferred this, it provided stability for their position as they would continue to serve the future ruler as well. Uncertainty and succession crisis's would cause many of them to potentially lose their positions. For this scenario, I presume Ancapistan has inheritance as a right from god so Billy Bob Junior would take the reigns as the new supreme overlord. Long may he reign.

[@Elkator955]

The board elects the new CEO... I wonder if it will be his son, grandson, or the captain of black water. Or, maybe Billy Bob forgot to switch off of gavelkind, and now his companies are a fractured mess of factions split among upper management! The drama!

[@ellengran6814]

Living in a kingdom, Norway, thats why I prefer to keep the King/Queen. The King can unite us, while politicians mostly create conflicts.

[@gemain609]

When you're enactment of Anarcho-Capitalism is just The History of Events that led to the fall of Rapture in Bioshock. Great stuff Adam!

[@Sgt_Robo]

It's not like rapture and bioshock were designed to show that Ayn Rand's philosophy (Objectivism, which is super close to anarcho-capitalism) doesn't work or anything 🤔.

[@KingCliveThe17th]

@@Sgt_Robo Slight nitpick, but Rand didn't advocate anarcho-capitalism. She argued for the bare minimum of government to keep a laissez-faire capitalist society running, like enforcing contracts.

[@Sgt_Robo]

@@KingCliveThe17th yeah, I realize Objectivism has minor governmental aspects, but most ancaps are hyper Rand fans

[@danieltobin4498]

Lol, pretty much

[@ExPwner]

Both of which were piss poor straw man arguments based on nothing in actual reality, whereas in actual reality Herbert Dow broke the cartel.

[@crabbyboi9127]

i was waiting for the part where a new technology is discovered that revolutionises the economy and some guy writes a few books on a different way things could be run, where the workers own the means of production

[@ameatballsandwich8060]

Ayo why is billy bob straight up turning his town into attack on titan 💀

[@Dylanquinn666]

"You wake up on a desert island, you notice foot prints in the sand and it turns out that the other survivor woke up first and gathered up all the water purifiers."

[@benjaminpark5460]

But he is totally willing to trade you these purifiers in exchange for… services…

[@AdamSomething]

0:00 - 0:25 Intro 0:25 - 2:24 Icecapistan 2:24 - 3:12 Fundamental issues with AnCap-ism 3:12 - 3:50 Setting the stage 3:50 - 4:34 Channel plug 4:34 - 4:49 Simulation parameters 4:49 - 16:15 Dear God 16:15 - 17:50 Outro

[@jeremycurle6880]

nice timestamps

[@arro2546]

seeing dear god take the majority of the video just makes me think what the fuck were getting into

[@bbernie]

pls pin it

[@F100cTomas]

📌

[@theonlygoodlookinghabsburg2081]

"Dear God" lmao

[@senorsexy667]

Absolutely majestic, the best video on the ancap I've ever seen. Great job

[@harveyholmes9533]

Really good video the only issue I have with it for the anarcho-capitalist model is Billy Bob is the only person really doing anything and so ends up monopolising almost everything under himself. I think a more feasible outcome would be an oligopoly where a handful of ‘great men’ end up controlling different sectors and protect themselves and one another to maintain the status quo, more Russian oligarchs than feudal lord

[@nobodyimportant6582]

Well those other men better be able to make water themselves or they'll likely get theirs cut off The point is in that system, if you control a vital resource, you can absolutely create a huge monopoly and quite easily. Don't take my deal to buy your mine? Good luck when I shut off the water to that area.

[@DoronD]

2:24 This scenario actually played out a few years ago when a Libertarian group took over an unclaimed land between Serbia and Croatia. Both the Serbian and Croatian authorities kicked everyone out and arrested / fined anyone who tried to come back. The place was named Liberland.

[@rum-ham]

Why am I not shocked that this crowd would name their new country something as god awful as "Liberland"

[@DemonDogAW]

The photo of them planting the flag looks exactly how I imagine most Libertarians to look.

[@urphakeandgey6308]

"The authorities kicked them out." "Lol libertarians so dumb, am I rite?" Uh, what??? So when a literal government comes in and fucks your shit up, it's "dumb libertarians," but when CHAZ takes a shit even with the state allowing it, it's now capitalism's fault and "not real socialism?" You guys have your heads up your ass.

[@skeletonbuyingpealts7134]

Balkan countries teaming up.

[@mansur_ali]

that's not actually unclaimed, both countries recognize the land as part of the opposing country

[@huwinner2428]

“You hated the big stupid government so much you became the stupid government.”

[@razberik8320]

I am pretty much OK with that if I am the goverment.

[@bugsbunny4647]

@@razberik8320 "Yeah, I would be fine with a dictatorship if I am the dictator."

[@niggacockball7995]

@@bugsbunny4647 sounds like me

[@HMN134]

@@bugsbunny4647 all political movements in a nutshell

[@SIMKINYX]

Thank you very much, Adam! I just discovered your intelligence, subscribed to it, and am on a binge-watch of your illuminating videos.

[@meirzamsky]

this was a surprisingly good video, you are a really good story teller

[@Hjerrick]

I want a Billy Bob sequel! “The heirs of Billy Bob”, in which the death of the ki- eh, CEO, leads to a corporate civil war between Billy Bob’s children, all being backed by different arms of his corporate empire.

[@zxcheddar]

I have one child. He is the Ubermench. He will live forever.

[@todortodorov1263]

What a day to be the head of Blackwater Security.

[@lucasgrey9794]

Oligarchy and Monarchy are honestly the only two options politically if you really think about it.

[@d.esanchez3351]

@@lucasgrey9794 Even Oligarchy and Monarchy are just people above other people, with more people helping them. Democracy its just a thiner flavor. But hey im not criticizing, whatever works for poeple its good for me.

[@krollpeter]

I concur.

[@syzygy6]

Just a note because this is a peculiar feature of anglo-saxon names: “Billy” is a diminutive form of “William”

[@OatmealTheCrazy]

Bob and Robert as well

[@syzygy6]

@@OatmealTheCrazy I’m mentioning it because going from “Billy Bob” to “Bill Robert” is a bit incomplete

[@Guimhj]

@@syzygy6 Sounds like Billiam Robert @11:30

[@TeamMunky]

Dick and Richard as well, all those unusual diminuitives have their origin in Cockney rhyming slang

[@mmcat2863]

@Ramming Speed there are plenty of extremely wealthy and influential capitalists, who weren’t Jewish but nice try

[@Proud_Sex_Dungeon_Owner]

So essentially a anarchocap society ends into a monarchy.

[@oneman7039]

is the graphics from some sort of game, really want to find a good city building game which is not simcity

[@JoshStrifeHayes]

Feels over reals * distant brexit cough * I laughed...then i cried.

[@notLura]

Unexpected crossover episode on so many levels

[@calibula95]

Wait, what are you doing here?

[@smilo_don]

Don't worry, you hold hold all the cards. Any day now EU is going to fold, any day now. /S

[@AJ-rg4nt]

Yep.

[@rickrolld1367]

@@smilo_don Wait where has all the food gone? Oh no, we now have a job shortage as well! HELP ÆÄÃÆÅÆHH

[@Bermeslivre]

This example could be shortened to: - A group of members of the society start robbing others - Parts of the society start arming themselves (those who can afford weapons) - Those with weapons decide competing in the "free market" is less profitable than directly robbing those without weapons and imposing "protection taxes" on them

[@anonwithamnesia]

Basically mafia

[@LukeSykpeMan]

Yes, the video makes a few unrealistic assumptions just to give the ancap system a ghost of a chance at success. In the real world, Billy-Bob would be Don Billy-Bob, and the prodigy would have goons at his door saying "It'd be a shame if something happened to your purifier, now, wouldn't it?".

[@caracaes]

So the State should exist because without a State, a State would form? Then we need a State to protect us against a State forming because having a State is bad and the only way to stop that is by having a State? Seriously, this is the best argument statists have?

[@Bermeslivre]

@@caracaes No, the argument is that Capitalism, to exist, requires a state.

[@Shireke01]

@@caracaes oh yes, you need a democratic state to keep an undemocratic state out. The more political power is divided the better, and the more it's concentrated is worse. Only when most or all people are part of the decision making can tyranny be avoided somewhat. So yes, we need the good states, developed over thousands of years, to protect us from becoming primitive, autocratic, tyrannical states.

[@flutenos2103]

I think anarcho-capitalism is just purely unrealisitc: you cant combine huge differnces in property with stateless society. What would hindr people from just not respecting your property? In the best case this would turn out to no property (so we would have a actually good from of anarchy, but no capitalism left) and in the worst case it would create a corporate semi-state which basically does everything a capitalistic state does, but without any democratic claims (so we have no anarchy left). Either way, anarcho-capitalism will (luckily) not persist

[@JourneyLT]

Either this fantasy view of human nature that everyone will value everyone else in a dog-eat-dog world without any social safety nets, but no worries because all these generous rich people will shower the wealth on the poors through private charity instead of you know, centralising the wealth more and more to provide for their own families and grow more and more powerful, or they have private security forces protecting their property, but in such a case, they have the force and can just take your property whenever they want because they have the guns and no nebulous principle of no-aggression is going to stop them. And at that point you'll have warring groups of mercenries and warlords fighting with each other for territory, which they'll turn to the public in order to finance these wars at the threat of either incarceration or execution, and holy fuck does this sound familliar. Or private property doesn't exist, because it is inherently a violent concept, and if it doesn't, then the society will become a communist one.

[@MrPentacz]

What would hindr people from just not respecting your property? (private) police, (private) judges

[@guyman1570]

@@MrPentacz Then they'd be even more brought up by the wealthy than tbe public ones. Corruption to an even greater degree. That's not a bug but rather a feature.

[@MrPentacz]

@@guyman1570 why do you think so? Corruption by definition needs someone in position of authority (like a government, or local public officer) to be bribed. It's not coincidence you don't hear about bribed private companies, because they may quickly lose their other clients. Government not

[@InternetUser-xo2uw]

@@MrPentacz So rule of might? That does not sound particular stable.