Anatomy Critiques - The Pelvis

[@Ghostlicht]

It's very interesting how the Pelvis is pretty much the first exercise of the Anatomy Premium Course and it easily crushes your beginner ambitions, because this isn't easy xD

[@renovatiomovies3574]

@Guilherme Pinto I guess this was intentional, as sometimes when people learn or do something out of their comfort zone, they end up learning even more than they eventually would. This might be why Proko gave the pelvis as the first exercise of the anatomy course, to put us, artists, outside of our comfort zone.

[@Sichel22]

and also someone who gives up this early wouldnt do it to the end anyway ^^ just sayin :D

[@FirstLast-yh7gj]

Shit so hard lol

[@eva8759]

yeah this course is definitely not for drawing beginners lol. You need to have pretty solid observational skills established before you can even attempt this

[@markandersonoflanderson]

@@eva8759 To be fair if you don't have some basic drawing skills (at least a little perspective, drawing clean-ish lines, somewhat decent hand-to-eye coordination) at least somewhat set, you should not be attempting to go straight into anatomy.

[@Diegojavbau]

the way you figured out the buket from the land marks was very impresive !!

[@mar-nyan]

This is surprisingly helpful! I can see that I make some of the mistakes others have made here and I’m glad that you’re correcting them ❤️

[@stevensapasse5839]

that's probably the hardest stuff i had to draw

[@mizo2452]

instead of defining that complicated squished ellipse Axis which i don't understand its concept, y can just draw a box that has the same ratio from top to bottom that accommodate the squished ellipse then scale down the bottom plane of the box and draw those 2 ellipse on those 2 planes, also the widest line of the squished ellipse should always be on the center sides of the pelvis

[@marble4276]

2:07 I think what he means by “the angle from side to side” is the angle of the ASIS , then angle of the front and the back is going to be perpendicular to the angle of the ASIS

[@AlfredoGarciaYTChannel]

Great critiques. I enjoy these a lot and thank you for teaching us.

[@NeonFXx]

10:48 My girlfriend tells me that all the time... :(

[@hot_ice_84]

Good one 😂

[@ngasarting9298]

I'm trying to understand the method to construct the ellipse (so I can remember it well), why is the angle of the ellipse is in between the line perpendicular to the tilt axis and the side-to-side line of the ellipse?

[@miguellavariel1348]

Good question! Don't understand that part as well :(

[@tobiasrettinger6895]

if you still have trouble with that, i'll try to explain: first imagine a zylinder with a perfect circle as the top and bottom plain. For that, the angle of the ellipse is exactly perpendicular to the tilt axis. now you introduce a direction, in which the zylinder can be streched (in this case it's the line between the 'asis'es). As that stretch approaches infinity, the angle of the ellipse would get closer to the stretching line. That's why the angle of the ellipse is somewhere in between. Since the exact angle depends on the stretching ratio, as well as the point of view, from where we're looking at the zylinder and one usually can't draw a perfect ellipse anyway, it's probably the best choice to go with round about the bisector of the two lines. (you could calculate the angle mathematically, however as stan mentioned in the video that isn't the best approach). hope i could help anyone who is still struggling :)

[@miguellavariel1348]

Oh think I get it now. The part in the middle about the stretch approaching infinity nailed it for me! Struggled with this a long time and couldn't find a solution, so thanks a lot friend!👍

[@Ugitron217]

@@tobiasrettinger6895 my brother in christ you just answered what I've been studying all day, still helpful five years later

[@siriusneo6517]

thanks for being awesome Proko! studying your course, and Vilpu

[@lillowh6126]

29:07 i just think this is the funniest thing I've ever heard. Its really relatable too.

[@Sichel22]

its nice to see some examples and hear the pointers you are giving :) ! thanks for sharing !

[@fernandagoncalves9221]

I though drawing the pelvis straight away was too difficult for me, so I focused only on drawing the sliced bucket from differente perspectives, and when I come to this video that's exactly whats he's talking about, wow

[@marcosgomezolivos]

22:20 aaah ok, ya decia yo que se sentia como si estuviera enseñando algo de lo cual no estaba tan seguro.

[@marcosgomezolivos]

21:00 i dont understand how do you see the angle of the pelvis... :/

[@merlinblanchard8918]

Try to put the ellipses in squares, then boxes. I could'nt even get 1 ellipse right before doing this. Helped drastically.

[@praleen_]

With this kind of presentation, I meet struggle with knowing where the pointer is, as a mouse pointer is easier to follow with your eyes on a screen, here this little dot is quite stealthy! It would be easier to know what you're looking at with the integration of some arrows upon the video, I think.

[@praleen_]

Or circles. Or halos. Or stars. Or unicorns. Yeah, you should use unicorns.lol

[@San-kq1ss]

i still prefer draw the simple bucket shape for the pelvis. i do understand that knowing how to draw a a detailed pelvis would aid in drawing from imagination but I feel that it depends on your personal style, Some artists would want to go that far but for others maybe a simple shape would suffice. its like how we would not draw every single rib and sternum when drawing the ribcage.

[@camus141]

Simplified forms means simplified bodys. If you don't wanna get to close to reality it's ok

[@digitalportraits3361]

proko the best art lesson....

[@AasiaAbdali]

Thank u so much. it is immensely helpful. God bless u

[@LeM502]

what exactly is the angle of the ellipse, actually?

[@demetriocran4123]

The one of the top is 50 degrees, the bottom one is almost a circle. Check my Instagram for a diagram: @demetrio.cran

[@NXS18]

The perspective is something we have a lot of trouble whit, are you planing to make a perspective videos? , I know you made the structure video a while ago , but that video was helpful to draw cubes, but squeezed cylinders are not that easy :(

[@garrettbouslough3647]

NXS18 Look up Marshall Vandruff's Perspective lectures- he's selling them very cheaply now:). Also the video tutorials of Scott Robertson are VERY helpful when drawing geometric forms in perspective. Scot Robertson talks a bit about squeezed or arched forms in perspective. I hope this helps a little.

[@seanramsey]

NXS18 Stan did a Google Hangout with Marshall Vandruff where they announced that they were going to release a perspective course with him in the future. It should be pretty good!

[@yonrexgameryt8494]

I am confuse about that thing of long axes or something like that. I just draw the circle or well elipse as the base of my pelvis but I think Proko says for do the elipse right? I am confuse help x,d

[@YoshiMario69]

Its not difficult because of complexity. If you are having issues it's because you havent studied perspective and don't have basic drawing techniques developed far enough. Before attempting anatomy you must practice perspective and drawing basic forms. If you do not have a good grasp on cylinders, you absolutely cannot draw a bucket. Before drawing a cylinder, you must be able to draw a long box in perspective. Before you can draw a box you must learn linear perspective. Before you can learn linear perspective you must understand basic ALGEBRA and GEOMETRY. if you lack basic mathematical principles and hate math, the STRUCTURAL approach will be very difficult. It's not impossible to get through that hurdle though, and I dare say that if you really want to learn the structural approach to figure and picture making you will make the sacrifice. If you don't want to, ask yourself if you even really want to learn this or if you are willing to work a thousand times harder due to your grudge on math.

[@candlebriar1955]

It might be best to advise students to do some warm-up exercises before they do the homework? Some basic mark making stuff for instance.

[@Lb-ri5wr]

So howd he do the bucket at 26:20. He didnt teach that and iv just missed it? I was completely lost here on how he got the angle of those first 2 lines

[@aoiken9996]

Can someone explain to me why the angle in between is the angle of elipse. No matter how much i try to understand it even reading the comments i could not grasp it

[@oN1GHTMAREo]

Hey Proko do you have any plans for doing a critique video for the ribcage?

[@seanramsey]

A2 The next video should be the ribcage critique. He's going in the order that the assignment videos came out.

[@sharleencu]

The first part of the video was really confusing, I could barely see the lines you made when you drew the bucket. Can you please make your pen ink darker next time?

[@str8edgeLb]

Sharleen Cu glad i wasn't the only one

[@serajstyle]

I think it's better if he use a warm color instead of cold color to get the eyes attention very easily

[@ato2268]

Can you make Vietnamese subtitle for your videos ?? Please..

[@kevinsteelflex7371]

are the bases of the bucket supposed to be perfect circles or ovals?

[@demetriocran4123]

I think that is almost a circle. Check my Instagram for a diagram: @demetrio.cran

[@juliewilson6067]

I feel really frustrated because the correction lines are so light that they barely show up on my computer screen and I can't see well what is going on.

[@ImD00dleBee]

Hey Proko, whats that youre using? Is it a wacom?

[@ProxyDoug]

BluNight100 It's so huge, it looks like a keyboard.

[@Urza26]

+BluNight100 Looks like maximum sized cintiq.

[@safir2241]

ok i really think you were talking out your arthole when you went off on the girl for measuring out the proportions

[@fazalali9227]

Why don't we construct using a box for this pelvis please answer because a box is simple

[@camus141]

The box is not an accurate form for the pelvis. Unless you change its form to be closer to the actual pelvis shape. But if you do that, you get more close to a cylinder. Knowing how to draw cylinders, spheres, cubes... Are all the basics of drawing. If you skip those you gonna struggle at some point soon or later

[@krishnamistry7040]

Sir what is the glove like thing in your hand called??

[@seanramsey]

Krishna Mistry I think it's a SmudgeGuard Tablet Glove. It's so your hand can glide over the tablet surface easily while drawing.

[@krishnamistry7040]

Oh but for drawing on paper there will be a smudge guard , am I right??

[@seanramsey]

Krishna Mistry I think you can use them on paper as well but I only use mine on digital tablets like Wacom Tablets. It's called a SmudgeGuard but that's just the brand name. It keeps your hand from sticking to the surface of the digital tablet. There are other ways to keep your hand from smudging a paper drawing like a Bridge - which keeps your hand from touching your drawing

[@Chelsea-888]

great!

[@beetlejuicefan5966]

14:00 17:16

[@Khether0001]

I problem I felt was the lack of proportion between the width of the cylinder and its height, that threw me off... Please, do you thing we could you start from a 1:1 perspective cube so we can get our bearings on the right proportions of the cylinder? ...how much should it be? it's about 3/4 as tall as it is wide?

[@camus141]

Make a square 1:1, divide it into nine equal squares, after that you increase the width of the big square by one little square. Now you have the proportions of a female pelvis.

[@boitahaki]

am I the only one who'd rather draw a cylinder than the bucket? the bucket is so hard that it actually makes it more complicated to me.

[@NeonFXx]

+boitahaki I use a bowl for my pelvis's and then I add some extra details onto it. I don't get why an artist would have to be so particular with the pelvis when most of it is hidden. I know where the showing landmarks are with my method and it takes significantly less time than these diagrams. Just my opinion :p

[@boitahaki]

NeonFXx I will try it, sounds like a good idea.

[@jakobgjertsen2801]

12:15 nicu

[@starquake7061]

It's still hard asf

[@FirstLast-yh7gj]

Factz

[@mateodo8669]

proko almost lose it from the first drawing

[@Vadosity]

No more Marshall... ;_;

[@kalvinabro7130]

😍😍💯💯

[@meat981]

I don't like the box method, who's gonna draw all this each time they draw a pelvis, it's too excessive to be simple

[@jesuslabradormorcillo468]

I tHINK YOU MUST MAKE A PERSPECTIVE CLASS . CAUSE WITHOUT PERSPECTIVE NOBODY CAN DRAW A HUMAN BODY. AND YOU DONT HAVE IN YOUR COURS

[@lAcedUpLiss]

Marshall is working on it, fingers crossed it's ready soon.

[@MrBrendanRizzo]

You know you suck when you can’t recognize the mistakes in the submissions...

[@0Karlajn0]

I came here because I've been drawing a lot without knowing fundamentals but now I'm sitting here, listening to Stan and feeling like he's about to say something like "damn Karo, you've been doing this for years and still I have to explain to you how to draw a ducking cylinder, gosh".

[@MrMegaColin]

Lol premium

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[@thomaseulogy7206]

That squashed part is pretty tricky. I found one tube video about perfect circle cylinder in any angle in which is explained that if you are looking to top of the cyilder and the bottom (that line from top to bottom of elipse) that if they (tops) align to the cylinders vanishing point then cyilinder top is a circle in that case if we want to draw a cylinder that is not a perfect cyrcle (looking from above or in front) then we just dont align those tops with the vanishing point? Idk if my english explained it well...just wandering. Hate to go further if I have issues in understanding the first part of it.