Anatomy of an Open Gun | Features that make the fastest and flattest shooting pistols | Atlas Chaos

[@RJGuitz]

Next video is "the autopsy of a wallet after purchasing an open gun"

[@michael7324]

It was an Amex Black card.

[@thinman8621]

Open guns require a wallet flush.

[@aahhronismyname8068]

Aint that the truth

[@geerux]

And also the autopsy of the boxnof spares required to keep open gun working

[@Johnnyjakebrake]

😂

[@travispowell2471]

“Open guns turn a pistol competition into a foot race”. An interesting observation. I never thought of it that way.

[@XA36]

This feels like watching a video on what features you'll want on your 3 level yacht. Like, yeah it's awesome, but then you go out fishing in your bass boat and try to convince yourself you really don't want a yacht as if it's a possibility.

[@spiderstealth]

Im glad you are starting to cover these budget option open guns. Sincerely an SVI Infinity owner.

[@alonsoarellanocarryoptics]

🤣👍

[@theblade110]

Infinity is from another planet.

[@TheArchersTungsten]

😂

[@jamespeters11603]

It’s definitely a good idea to have a few of any gun you shoot in uspsa, but if you’re only going to have 1 open gun, Atlas is a great choice. Their customer service is on point, your gun isn’t going to sit on a bench for weeks, they’ll have you back on the range as quickly as possible. I’ve got 2 open customs and a Titan from them with nothing but good things to say

[@EricT43]

It's expensive, it's fast, it's loud, breaks all the time, and needs constant maintenance. Sounds a lot like motorcycle racing!

[@czarmorer]

haha, unless you're crashing all the time, your race bike shouldn't be breaking as much as an open gun!! Everything else holds true! hahaha

[@zen-Tii]

Sounds a lot like someone’s girlfriend.

[@Amatt95]

Yea man, all open guns are $6,000 to $9500 blocks of total junk. That’s why no builders will build them anymore. They can’t make any money off open guns. The open divisions have always had less competitor than single-stack at level 2 and higher USPSA majors. Open has never done well in IPSC competitions either. I understand why, you can’t ever get one to run for a 6 stage local match much less 10 to 30 stage, 5 day level 4 or 5 match. There’re just a waste of money.

[@bretwalley4673]

if you shoot junk guns, they break. More 9 major Open guns break than .38 Super or .38 Supercomp.

[@Amatt95]

@@bretwalley4673 don’t come to open and think anyone can trow a comp on a 2011 and it’s gonna be fine. You can’t short cut quality and quality cost especially in open. Or yep, your junk will break. 👍🏼👍🏼😂😂

[@CRA677]

Chaos owner here (2 of them). Thus far I've had 5 comps, a slide, and a frame break. I know of no other Atlas owner who hasn't had at least one comp break.

[@TheHumbleMarksman]

The gun was relatively low mileage (~7k) when I reviewed if. This guy I borrowed it from didn’t have issues last year with his guns - but he was the only chaos shooter locally who didn’t - slides and comps all round

[@CRA677]

@@TheHumbleMarksman It's unfortunate because my understanding is that their limited guns are very good. I had an engineer look at the comps, and he indicated that the reason they are cracking is because Atlas didn't break (round over) the edges around the circumference of the two vertical ports. This concentrates the force to a small area. I switched to Binary 3-port comps, and haven't had an issue since. After cracking a slide, I had one of my guns re-barreled to 38SC. Yes, the brass is more expensive, and finding all of it after a training session/match is a pain. However, 38SC runs at much lower pressures, which should increase the longevity of the gun. I figure that the cost of brass is more than made up in the cost and hassle of repairing guns. Heck, each Atlas comp cost me $465 alone.

[@Johnsormani]

I’ve been shooting open with 38 super since 92 . Still love it . A good gun is also a longtime investment. I shoot my current open gun since 25 years. You might need a new barrel or a slide or upgrade your optics but you can get a lot of mileage out of a well made open gun

[@mikegurv1818]

Great post man.

[@redsdot]

"... It's really loud, really fast, and it's not for everyone..." That is THE best description for Open I have ever heard. 😆 Great video man. Editing game is on point and I like the BGM choice.

[@controlfreak1963]

Christian Sailer shoots at my club in Bellevue, WA. He must have a bottomless credit card from his parents as he appears to have multiple Infinity race guns and probably shoots 10,000's rounds a year. He's a student at UW so no judgment, just jealous as heck!

[@schneir5]

If I ever get an open division gun, it will probably be a Czechmate because I love my Shadow 2 and TS2, and the price seems way better than those high end 2011's.

[@solarflare1008]

I remember sending 38 Super bullets at +1,600 fps in the 80s and using big electronics sights from jets. Great memories.

[@Zpalq]

"you see a bunch of guys with p320's put those stupid gas pedals on their guns" Damn, just doing a drive-by on us sig guys haha

[@funkla65]

I would've assumed this was a game strictly for reloaders. I have a 38 Super buried somewhere in my safe, and I remember you had to really step on the gas to get the Super's reputed velocity. Basically, small rifle primers and book max = start. I'm surprised an ammo manufacturer is willing to sign their name to that sort of thing.

[@theblade110]

Everyone reloads for their open guns. Also Open shooters reload way past the max of any reloading guide.

[@stevetierney2630]

It's funny that you think that the re directing of the gas from the comp ports upwards, is the major reason that a decent comp works in reducing recoil. With a well designed comp, the majority of the braking effect, comes from the volume of high pressure gas hitting/pushing against the baffle plates. The gasses need to be vented somewhere and the upward direction, is obviously beneficial in creating a certain level of "Thrust" effect. But this is only a by-product of the venting process.

[@ryanjobb6403]

I put the Wilson combat grip on my XL and I think you’d really like it, it changes the angle to a more 1911 style and is extremely grippy

[@pewpewTN]

So you can buy an open setup, or buy the entire Glock & Sig lineup with enough left over to still be able to eat?

[@stevetierney2630]

We were slinging 130 gr FMJ's at 1360 fps (for 175 PF) in standard length 9mm cases back in the 90's, with zero issues from our Tangfoglio P9's with CP barrels. Vihtavuori 3N37 was the key.

[@jknewb6276]

That dot in the middle stationary is awesome!

[@gunracr]

Had a GM once tell me Winning at the top end of A class to GM is about everything you do while not shooting.

[@shootersresourcechannel642]

interesting video, I learned a lot, didn't know much about open guns. Nor did I know super and major used so much powder.

[@corycarlson8712]

I believe a 9mm and 38 super comp are both. 355 or. 356 diameter bullets not. 380. But I could be wrong

[@old-veteran]

Interesting, thanks. I like watching you guys during your competitions.

[@samla2404]

Nice and informative video. Thanks man!

[@ikescomments1931]

Great video. I have been shooting in open class since 1988.

[@geoffreygrant6833]

my takeaway... I wish I had a buddy that shot open, I am a low level production shooter. shooting a CZ and cringed when I spent 3k on a gun with all its upgrades

[@cmonkey63]

Nice round up of the platform. You're not wrong about 'loud'. Most minor power factor hand guns just go Bang! but these go Boom!

[@ikefleetwood4053]

I generally like thumb rests on limited and open... but THAT thumb rest? Man. Impressive. The Dumbo rest seems fitting. Or maybe its own zip code given its size. If you throw the gun does it fly? For real tho Atlas is butter 👌

[@jamespeters11603]

The Tevo rest is sick. I’ve got them on both of my open guns. Christian Sailer had them on his guns for 2020 nationals

[@onpsxmember]

Stuffed with interesting information. Thanks.

[@linkchen8245]

The grip texture is really good I can tell because it was filled with crud LOL Awesome and detailed review !

[@appliedperformance773]

Haven’t watched yet but congratulations on being smart enough to use “an” before a vowel 😂😂🤙

[@TheHumbleMarksman]

Grammar is serious business

[@BigBudah4Pound]

Must be fun at parties

[@Rebel8MAC]

In pursuit of practical pistol proficiency lol love it

[@jcc6356]

Thanks for the great review!!!!!

[@charlesfisher3983]

The popples are waaaayyy more involved with keeping the muzzle flat than the comp. The comp really is there to soften the recoil impulse.

[@MrRoombato]

How does this shoot compared to a .22 target pistol (e.g. S&W Victory)? It seems to have very similar recoil/recovery characteristics.

[@jado4149]

It's nothing like a .22. It's actually quite violent but the comps redirect all the gas to keep it flat.

[@MichaelClaytonCo]

Thanks so much. I bought one of the last open guns available in Canada ... smith is still building and tuning it. I was forced into it by sunset legislation but happy I did, got my BB and tally ho! PS its a Cheeley

[@BigJohnsonGG]

Awesome Vid Man, Editing is Legit. Carry on

[@justinm.791]

I'd love to have one of these...but I can't afford to buy one and feed it... I'm still waiting on a G34.5 to arrive at my local fun store...

[@umami0247]

Believe me when I say I’m going to miss this sport but with ammo so hard to get I just won’t be able to compete. But I will continue to help out with the matches they always need people to set up and tear down.

[@TheHumbleMarksman]

Yeah - hopefully primer supply opens back up again

[@W1ldt1m]

Ditto. I was planning on making the jump from Idpa to uspsa this year. I don't have the primers to make more than a couple of Matches and I've little hope of finding any this year. On the upside there are active black powder clubs near me, so I can pick up a flintlock for some old old school fun.

[@pewpewTN]

@@W1ldt1m Maybe you can get into some of the rimfire competitions going on now.

[@C6H10O6]

Thanks for that great info. I am having a hard time finding materials on the web that describe other non-open gun pistol competitions. After watching this I realize open gun is probably not for me.

[@TheHumbleMarksman]

Open is fantastically fun - but carry optics is the “Everyman” division now

[@5jjt]

Humble, can you do a video on what parameters a new gun owner can tinker with and up to before the pistol will start experiencing reliability issues? Tinkerers probably don't want to learn the expensive way, and have a pile of leftovers for the pistol junk drawer.

[@TheHumbleMarksman]

Let me think about that

[@SEAKPhotog]

Great stuff, thanks!

[@stephenkarl1440]

Foot race and shooting guns...I think we found the Summer Olympics equivalent of the Winter Olympics Biathlon. 😁👍

[@txaggie1991]

Pretty accurate on all points ;)

[@barryscott6222]

LOL - "Really Really Loud..." True dat. Definitely double plugging - and not standing adjacent to the shooter.

[@antpassalacqua]

excellent video

[@jasonmcclish2580]

9mm and 38 are not .380 caliber. They between .355 and .357 . The 38 special , 38 super and 380 cartridges measured by the diameter of the casings.

[@charlesfisher3983]

They call 9 major 9 grenade because it breaks open guns more because you have to run your loads closer to or beyond safe max case pressures due to the case being so much shorter than 38sc

[@michael7324]

Another great video Dave. Very informative. Video production is getting much better as well. Thanks for posting.

[@MoRoTheGKnight]

I’d like to be able to afford one of those one of these days. Great video 👍

[@TheHumbleMarksman]

Same- it was a buddys

[@danielh5397]

This is a great channel

[@thinman8621]

Gotta love open pistols. Speedy Gonzalez fast.

[@DaveWilburn-USAF]

Awesome vid

[@tanyaortega5291]

imagine an open gun version of the alien gun. like a 58 ounce version lol

[@toddb930]

It seems many USPSA shooters are going the Carry Optics division route.

[@TheHumbleMarksman]

A lot of CO shooters promote to Open eventually.

[@OrionCorsari]

I’m told by Atlas they will be making only ONE (1), UNO (1), UN (1), EINS (1) один (1) Chaos V2 next year. And, they will be giving it away in a raffle to support a Vermont shooting club. WTF?

[@AGC828]

LOL!! Spending $7000 US on ONE pistol to put holes in paper or dents in metal. THUMBS UP!! (no not really) (palm to forehead) So much out there we DON'T NEED in the gun marketplace. But gun nerds love.

[@TheHumbleMarksman]

people spend more money on stupider stuff. If you enjoy pistol racing these are the finest guns you can buy.

[@gtautomotion4025]

That looks like Ryan Wilks Atlas

[@erikgolobic5640]

1 nitpick... Minor is by far the way to go in revolver. Otherwise spot on.

[@jabr991]

Nice

[@9mm1968]

In the future, might I suggest that you use a light back ground with a black gun for your videos- better visibility.

[@TheHumbleMarksman]

Check out a recent video 👍

[@tymarkham3931]

Great video brother 👍 were can I find that 2011 magazine cleaner that brushes the inside of the magazine shown in this video? Thanks 😊

[@TheHumbleMarksman]

It's called an Arredondo Magazine Brush. amzn.to/386lIMj

[@DougJ-h7h]

A lighter background would provide a better contrast for visualization of the shooter and firearm.

[@crakka5150]

Trying to decide between a used/new Atlas Chaos or a brand new Bul Armory Sas II UR.. and you’ve shot both! What do you think?

[@TheHumbleMarksman]

The chaos is fit better - but it doesn’t really get you anything. If pride in ownership is important - the chaos will evoke that more - if it’s a tool - they perform the same and one costs about half as much.

[@lennyo3034]

Was there a cameraman at :19? I'm thinking no since I didn't see their shadow and you came pretty close to flagging the camera but just thinking out loud.

[@TheHumbleMarksman]

It's a GoPro Max - it's just a 360 cam on a tripod.

[@T.A.B.Videos]

Quite a pistol

[@snoodlefoots]

Hopefully you will tell us How much is the payday in these competitions where participants are will to shell out 7grand for the pistols, Great vid Very infomative,

[@bretwalley4673]

If you win the match, you win the same as if you lose the match, $0.00

[@stevailo]

I think I’m not exaggerating if I say that this gun, with the dot, the 4/5 mags I think you need, the reloading press and the whole kit and ammo costs more than my car (which is 10k). And that’s not considering that you need three damn guns to compete at the highest level. And what amazes me even more is that I would still love to own one more than I would love to own a more expensive car...

[@juliuscafe]

What Thumb Rest is that brand where I can get it.?

[@jeffschultz8817]

😮🤩 they don’t even have a picture on the Atlas website yet! 😎🥳

[@zeroryde]

That one was the old version that's discontinued. They're launching a version 2 soon.

[@Mathieu_CHRC]

The most educated gun channel.

[@RevGunn-jq3cq]

CHECKED OUT!....all I can afford is a Glock

[@synapsesfire4441]

is 38 super easier on guns than 9mm major? is there an advantage to ordering 38 sup over a 9mm gun as far as pressure/reliability/etc?

[@mrtdiver]

I'm not convinced that stretching the magazine springs actually helps. I would look into that with more research.

[@TheHumbleMarksman]

That's what the seasoned open guys here say.

[@warrenrosen2326]

@@TheHumbleMarksman using too much salt.

[@mrtdiver]

@@TheHumbleMarksman Ok, good feedback. I did go back and re-watch the magazine part. I noticed that the person gently stretched the magazine a little bit longer.

[@BrianKern2121]

The music addition was nice, but next time could you turn down the volume of the music track for the next video? It was a bit distracting from your dialog. I didn't know if I was supposed to consume your world class content, or slow dance with my Raven .25......

[@bwiley9011]

Not interested in Open...yet. Gotta grow into that hair trigger!

[@tanyaortega5291]

so the frame weight seems to be the biggest factor in reducing muzzle rise

[@TheHumbleMarksman]

no - the super gassy ammo and the popple holes / comp help more than the grip.

[@joeperino]

@@TheHumbleMarksman Hi, what do you mean with super gassy ammo? VV 3n38, swiss reload or what powders? What is the power factor I need for popple holes and comp in a 9mm chaos?

[@rmenard1986]

7k for a pistol, wow and I dream of owning a cz shadow

[@jnblawnandlandscapellc]

If a $7,000 gun is mid level how much is the best that money can buy? I ordered a SAS II Bullesteros, should be here around the end of May.

[@TheHumbleMarksman]

9-10k for infinity’s

[@pjmccary]

Is there an advantage to a frame mounted optic vs slide mounted?

[@TheHumbleMarksman]

Dot doesn’t move around as much , easier on the optic

[@pjmccary]

@@TheHumbleMarksman any thoughts on adapters for a picatinny rail on a polymer grip like the UM3 sight mount?

[@badbilly429]

Much like Arby's is rich mans fast food. Open guns are rich mans pistols! Plus it has to make you really uncomfortable to literally fill the entire case full of powder and then jam that 9mm major down inside it and hope for the best!

[@chilidem]

What's the better division: open or welfare open minor?

[@king2000z28]

Major is man,more points for bad shots

[@chilidem]

@@king2000z28 But welfare open minor is all scored minor.

[@zeroryde]

Welfare open is picking up steam. Even Christian Sailor is going to test the waters. It's just easier on everyone's wallet lol

[@alexanderchung6402]

Doesn't stretching the spring outwards hurt the spring's life?

[@TheHumbleMarksman]

It keeps it functional longer - with a set it may have feeding issues

[@alanpruett2217]

Great competition set up I guess. To rich for me! Besides, I’m not to interested in pistols I can’t carry. I am interested in the 9mm major round. First I have heard of it. Sounds like a .357 mag. Do you think it will make its way to carry guns? Is it hotter than a .357 Sig?

[@PewPewNomNom]

Go ahoot some USPSA 😉

[@shootinbruin3614]

9 Major uses standard 9x19mm cases, just simply loaded way beyond SAAMI specifications or even +P and +P+ loads. It's slightly hotter than most factory .357 Sig ammo. It's really not suggested for guns not specifically built to take it. Since 9 Major is used only in a very small niche, I highly doubt any of the major manufacturers will be building any guns specifically for it soon, especially considering the fact that it isn't loaded to any institutionally recognized standard.

[@giraysoganc7479]

Are there options for the left hande can you make another video on this topic

[@TheHumbleMarksman]

Slide racket can be moved to the right easy enough - I am not aware of thumb rests for lefties

[@CRA677]

@@TheHumbleMarksman Lefty Open shooter here. Yes, there are left-handed gas pedals, and even left-handed mag releases. I run both.

[@TopoIl12]

I'd open carry this for self defense 😉

[@petermccuskey1832]

Thank you I guess I am a dinosaur qualified for the world shoots in the eighties and participated. In the late eighties I became a stage CRO. I trained people all over the world and kind of fell out of the competitive side. I am now retired and ready top participate again and this is an eye opener. I have a machine shop and indoor range . but going to have to crawl again with my old 1911 trick comp gun. thank you for the awakening.

[@panioloprep8126]

Did you really call my P320 X Five stoopid? As a Super Senior on a fixed income my budget allows for the X Five and a LOT of ammo rather than a $7000 gun.

[@FiringLineShooting]

I have a question. I wanted to get an Atlas Chaos, but atlas said their 9mm gun was not rated for using 9mm major. What do you think about that?

[@TheHumbleMarksman]

All the atlas shooters except a couple shoot 9maj

[@FiringLineShooting]

@@TheHumbleMarksman Thanks for that answer. It sound like it's capable, but they just don't want to be held liable for anything bad happening.

[@xdivineHART]

How come a thumb rest is perfectly fine on raceguns, but stupid on a p320?

[@TheHumbleMarksman]

Because they work on 2011s and are simply index points on a 320

[@robjohnson639]

Black gun black background hard to see some of the details.

[@TheHumbleMarksman]

Yeah I am a lot better at video and lighting than I was then. Sorry about that

[@Tora58]

Probably a stupid question, but I am morbidly curious: If you are left/correct handed, are you just screwed?

[@TheHumbleMarksman]

No - but you don’t get a gas pedal

[@CRA677]

@@TheHumbleMarksman DAA makes a left-handed gas pedal.

[@JohnDoe-pi7gj]

No slide lock on empty? Wouldn't that affect reloads?

[@TheHumbleMarksman]

no - you do slide forward speed loads in USPSA / IPSC

[@JohnDoe-pi7gj]

so the reloading process starts when you pull the trigger and don't hear a bang? How does this process compare to a production gun where the slide locks open?

[@CRA677]

@@JohnDoe-pi7gj If you pull the trigger and nothing happens, either you seriously screwed up your stage plan, or there is a malfunction.

[@JAEHAUGEN]

💥💥💥ITS NOT LAW ENFORCEMENT DAVID, ITS POLICY ENFORCEMENT, THATS WHY IT SAYS "POLICE" ON THE SIDE OF THEIR VEHICLES AND NOT LAW ENFORCEMENT 😆😆😆

[@M1911jln]

I really don't like that particular slide racker.

[@jamespeters11603]

Well, good thing the only thing keeping it in is ball detents and you can toss a normal height one in.

[@721pjm]

I had a hard time seeing some of the details of the gun itself. Perhaps, because of the lighting or maybe because the black gun didn't contrast with the black background. A white background might be better when showing off black guns.

[@TheHumbleMarksman]

A white background would require steaming between setting up and taking down. Until I have dedicated studio space this is what you get

[@721pjm]

@@TheHumbleMarksman what if you spray painted the black guns white before making the video?

[@TheHumbleMarksman]

@@721pjm now THAT is an outside the box solution

[@mossranchoutdoors7249]

​@@TheHumbleMarksman or maybe a white smoke machine? 😀😀

[@thinman8621]

If you think you're fast, try a well-tuned open gun. Recoil cycle is complete and sights are back on target; gun is ready to go; gun is waiting on you. Shot splits at .13 are possible, if the shooter is up to it. I was not. Humbling . . .

[@willm0187]

I was stupid well before I put my stupid gas pedal on my 320...

[@4LXK]

Awesome gun, but is this still practical shooting? Seems bulky as hell to carry around.

[@TheHumbleMarksman]

practical shooting means non-bullseye style shooting - not concealed carry style shooting. At least it did when the sport was introduced. It started as "combat shooting" but as it was turned into a proper game it started being a game.

[@lornadeleon8703]

What pounds of trigger sir...?

[@TheHumbleMarksman]

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