ANCAP is playing games now - with your life and your money | Auto Expert John Cadogan

[@buncha5651]

As a retired Paramedic with 35 years experience, I can tell you the only safety feature that matters is passenger compartment integrity in an impact. All these other ? safty features are only window dressing.👌

[@Iwishiwasflying]

So the beginning of ABS is irrelevant?

[@ferrumignis]

@@Iwishiwasflying So you didn't bother to watch the video?

[@chefgav1]

@@ferrumignis what was the point of video?

[@Iwishiwasflying]

@@ferrumignis well only highlighting the inconsistency of buncha5651 comment.

[@Chris_the_Muso]

Well I'm pretty sure that ABS has prevented a great number of accidents, and airbags have probably prevented a fair number of brain and spinal injuries, so I think you're selling those features short. The main issue is with the other so-called ADAS systems like lane keeping, sign recognition and collision avoidance. These systems are mostly annoying and even dangerous in some cases. ANCAP hanging two of the five stars on these wastes of time and money is so stupid, I no longer look to ANCAP ratings when judging the real safety of a vehicle. I agree that those are just window dressing for the sales brochures and to impress the easily impressed. The reason I say these other features are actually dangerous, is I've had lane keeping try to drive me into oncoming traffic on country roads, and collision avoidance has reacted inappropriately to parked cars and scrub on winding country roads. I turn both of those off quite regularly if I remember.

[@AusKipper1]

There should be 2 separate star ratings per vehicle, one for physically how it crashes, and a separate one for nanny electronics, and the nanny electronics one should be reduced if it has excessive false positives during regular day to day driving.

[@chefgav1]

But the i30 tested terrible in adult protection

[@Patrick-857]

​@chefgav1 I don't think that was OPs point, which has little to do with the specific car, and everything to do with the ridiculous ratings system we have now. Take for example that horribly unsafe Chinese G-Wagon copy that had one wheel lift off the road under moderately heavy braking, but got 5 stars because it had all the required electronic driver annoyance features. The current ratings system is no longer fit for purpose. The consumer needs a ratings system that tells them at a glance how safe the vehicle is. Crash prevention and crash performance are entirely different things. This ratings system could for arguments sake create a situation wherein a hypothetical car may get five stars despite performing terribly in a side on collision, offering substandard protection to occupants. The hypothetical car may get this high rating due to "AI Powered" crash avoidance features, which themselves were not even tested. Said features, even if they worked perfectly, could not prevent some inebriated Darwin Award nominee from running through a stop sign at twice the speed limit into the aforementioned AI powered wondercar with it's 5 star rating. The buyer of the car may not be aware that the crash performance had taken a back seat to autonomous systems that couldn't possibly have avoided such an accident, even if they were not a buggy mess, which all such systems are.

[@chefgav1]

@ John claimed that I need to keep up as i30 received 4 stars in the U.S

[@chefgav1]

@@Patrick-857 what makes ANCAP ridiculous?

[@chefgav1]

@@Patrick-857 no safety regime in the world test for what your referring too

[@_Alfa.Bravo_]

Hello from Germany. We have the Euro NCAP Crashtest and the previous Hyundai I30 got five stars

[@10mbc]

In 2017... The i30 Sedan is the Elantra in Europe and it's not sold in Germany.

[@_Alfa.Bravo_]

@@10mbc ... that is why I wrote previous ...

[@YZJB]

ANCrAP

[@stusue9733]

ANCAP needs to test the P76, the public need to know!

[@PlumbBob-FGX]

There's a lot of people that that's lost on😂

[@BRETTYZCAR]

@@stusue9733 A P76 won this year’s Peking to Paris Rally. 1st in classic and top of the time sheets overall after 37 days and 14 500 km . I think the test sled would achieve a lower star rating than the P76 to be honest.🤣

[@eoin1959]

With or without the 44 gallon drums in the boot? 😅

[@stusue9733]

​@@eoin1959 That boot was amazing. A family of 6 going on holidays moving from an Austin 1800 to a P76, went from playing Tetris to fit it all in to "toss and slam"

[@taxus750]

Especially the hot one, the Force 7

[@Garage-uj7pv]

ANCAP has that official imprimatur around it and clueless punter cache but I think it's the Wizard of Oz pay no attention to the little man behind the curtain thing going on ultimately. Great analysis as always John 🤘

[@AutoExpertJC]

I think they think they're more important than we think they are.

[@garynew9637]

Real safety depends on the meatbag behind the wheel.

[@brehh]

My last thought as I'm internally bleeding out after hitting a wild Ayers Rock at 87kph would be "fuck crumple zones, I wish I had more devices to beep at me"

[@alanhilder1883]

You were just driving along and it jumped out in front of you.. I've had trees attempt to do that but just managed to dodge.

[@ozyrob1]

That pretty much sums up those clowns

[@JohnMcClain-p9t]

As a man watching and listening from the US, I believe you hit the nail rather precisely on the head. AEJC might just beat Crocodile Dundee as my favorite Aussie, other than those I met in my younger days, cruising around the world as a US Marine, had a good time in a few bars with some of your favorite "blokes". Greetings from the east coast state of North Carolina.

[@PlumbBob-FGX]

@@brehh There's an old joke about a certain group crashing a stolen Sigma into Ayers Rock, with a letter of demands in the glove box.

[@stephensalt6787]

As you drive from Armacao de Pera to Alcantarilia in Portugal you come to a 90 degree left hand corner and facing you is what is known locally as the “tree of death” it’s a huge ancient oak that must be 2*5metres wide at the base of the trunk. The scars that face the road on this ancient guardian of the house behind bear testament that its never lost a fight with a car.

[@ImagineMySurprise510]

This observation reminds me how many times I've seen two lane Australian country roads that have nice big trees at the bends in the roads, even when they aren't anywhere else nearby.

[@bigjaz8768]

That's hardcore.

[@JohnMcClain-p9t]

Your statement reminds me of a tree thirty miles west of Chicago, where half a dozen of my schoolmates died on over a four year period. No significant scars on the tree.

[@DerykRobosson]

ANCAP, the graft is their bread and butter.

[@FuManchu5ltr]

My VZ Commodore distracts me from the road exactly zero times on a 6km trip. My Kia Sorrento distracts me so many times you give up counting. It just keeps trying to pull my eyes away from the road to see what the fk is beeping at me now. Oh. Look. It’s letting me know I exited a round about.

[@Chris_the_Muso]

That's probably lane keeping or collision avoidance. They see a white line, tree, or road sign and try to drive you into the ditch or oncoming traffic.

[@FuManchu5ltr]

@Chris_the_muso No. it tells you when an intersection approaches. It bings when you enter it. It bings when exiting to tell you you’ve exited. Then it bings when an incorrect speed alerts, then collision avoidance beeps for a car 100m away, or driving a bend and it says we are going to crash. No car. Calm down. Beeps and bings endlessly. They all do it. Wait, I want to change the heating. That is like performing a preflight check in an F-18. Wait, there’s a non existent passenger not wearing a seat belt. Wait, this is important, you must fill the washer reservoir. Wait this is important, your camera system isn’t working. (But it is) Wait, you want your settings when you open the car? Get fkd. I’ll tell you can have the last drivers settings so you are pressed into the windscreen and heater on full. All that tech and they can’t even have a two driver profile linked to two different keys.

[@frizzlefry1921]

​@@FuManchu5ltr100% unnecessary computerized crap had a loaner that beeped continually and said to keep my eyes on the road lol. Before the alarm went off my eyes were on the road where else would they be? 2024 brand new e-waste!

[@TheDeadfast]

@@FuManchu5ltr My most infuriating experience was driving a rental 2021 (IIRC) Golf in the UK. Its favourite thing to do was to start screeching at you every time you approached a roundabout to tell you that you should "watch out and slow down" even though you had been trying to do that already. Its "smart" cruise control also tried to kill me on a 70 mph motorway where it somehow imagined a 10 mph sign and immediately slammed on the brakes. Thankfully no one was behind me! Somewhat less unsafe but still annoying were its HVAC controls. All touchscreen nonsense. Good luck trying to turn on the defogger while driving. And to add insult to injury, you couldn't even adjust anything for several seconds after starting the car. It literally told you to "please wait" while the computer booted up.

[@Low760]

​@@FuManchu5ltryou sound like an old man.

[@logotrikes]

For 22 years we had a no-star Missingbits Lancer. It served us well. Nowadays we have a box on wheels full of beeping sounds. Progress I suppose...

[@superwag634]

This organisation should be disbanded and a new one formed consisting only of engineers 😊

[@AutoExpertJC]

Agreed.

[@TooOldToCare-kl3co]

How, and mean how, does anyone think that they are relevant? , they are completely useless and irrelevant. A former netball chief is in charge? Absolutely no mechanical expertise? , I will now quote Derryn, shame, shame, shame. These morons are receiving millions of taxpayer dollars. What an embarrassment for this country.

[@buning_sensations5437]

I know, German engineers. The i30 hatchback has been designed in Germany near Frankfurt. I have one, electric gremlins, starting below 0°c and window motor died and could only be fixed by dealership for 650€.

[@xpusostomos]

That could never work, organisations are always taken over by corporate type grifters, good at smoozing.

[@Patrick-857]

As a builder, I have a bad experience with engineers. They consistently design stuff that physically cannot be built in practice, due to them understanding numbers, but apparently having zero understanding of how things go together, or any spatial reasoning. Frustrating to say the least, considering that in construction, engineers are basically God. The solution is clearly to remove everything that's not directly related to crash testing from the ratings, like it was before these organisations lost their minds. At the very least they shouldn't be weighting their ratings with features that have little to no evidence to support their efficacy, and may even contribute to accidents. Does anyone else feel like we need to wind the clock back several years on almost everything? Or am I just getting old?

[@garageblitztv3215]

Could the dealer lobbyists (or Chris Bowen) also be involved … rubbish a slightly older, but perfectly serviceable vehicle to scare people into upgrading.

[@tjroelsma]

Yes, it sounds like a hit-job to me, especially as an older car is suddenly tested on far newer standards.

[@garageblitztv3215]

Yep, possibly someone has hurt feelings about having a “mature conversation” so they can kill two birds with one stone … clap back at Hyundai by using a an older vehicle, using their convoluted scoring, but ignoring others to help drive scary thoughts to buy a new vehicle in another 5 star brand, all the while using taxpayer funds inappropriately.

[@fabianchow512]

ANCAP - Taxpayer leech.

[@chrishewitt1165]

That's why we need more bureaucrats. Just ask them

[@Knowbody42]

Experts say whatever the money tells them to say.

[@PlumbBob-FGX]

To help with the work load. Obviously.

[@kevinbarry71]

Speaking as an American; it is insane to rely on such n unaccountable entity for something as important as this.

[@chefgav1]

it’s based off similar protocols to NCAP

[@confuzsays7196]

Thanks american

[@kevinbarry71]

Sorry, if anything it is the other way around. He was talking about the insurance Institute for Highway safety, but the American government also crash tests automobiles and has protocols for doing so. In addition it sets safety standards which newly manufactured cars must meet. Ancap is a two penny knockoff. And it's based on, not based off. Clean up your English

[@chefgav1]

@@kevinbarry71 IIHS has never tested the i30

[@kevinbarry71]

@ you should. We showed you the proper way to do it and you do it this ridiculous penny annie way

[@glowing1920]

I agree John. It’s so pessimistic in a way that you need all these so called safety features in cars today. It’s like there saying one day you will crash rather than saying drive safely, concentrate on what your doing and keep your eyes on the road ahead and beyond.

[@petermacdonald6377]

I don’t know if it’s just me, or if many others hop into their car and immediately turn off the auto shut down and lane keeping garbage every time. Almost tempted to buy something from the 70s to avoid all this bullshit. Suspect I’m not alone as they cost more than my new Everest for a reason 😂

[@peterphwu]

This is why I always read the detailed report and category results

[@chefgav1]

Exactly why the i30 received 3 star

[@BRETTYZCAR]

I can see Dan Andrews ending up on the board at ANCAP.

[@AutoExpertJC]

Or ScoMo and Lydia...

[@MattBlack6]

​@@AutoExpertJCLydia the tattooed lady?

[@noway5347]

Plenty of floggs for the list.

[@scar5head]

Answer: De-fund Ancap and instruct the insurance industry to test the 10 most popular cars on a 24 month rotation.

[@JohnMcClain-p9t]

I would suggest having the politicians test them personally, as drivers!

[@rambleon3698]

Never looked at an ancap rating ever when deciding to buy a car.

[@stusue9733]

"price bracket $0-$65000" I'll take a couple of the $1 ones.

[@kenthesparky178]

Hi John, do they test an fully electric vehicle in the same manner ? if yes do they have extra safety procedures in place because of the fire risk?

[@michaelmoorrees3585]

Assuming the occupant is still alive after the initial impact. EVs are heavier due to that extra heavy fire hazard power pack. Has the crumple been redesigned to compensate ? If not, the passenger compartment, will stop more suddenly, which isn't so good for the occupants. So they won't burn to death in that lithium hell, but only cremate the corpses.

[@chefgav1]

Yes they do and more

[@gwaeron8630]

At least they put the year tested so those that know can make an educated researched decision.

[@kennethprocak5176]

I own vehicles that are structurally and driver protective better than 80% of new vehicles now. And lm talking about vehicles 20yrs old now. Manufacturers have stopped selling some current models in Australia that are occupant safer than cars that remain on sale, because of lack driver aids.

[@terryfraser7259]

Let’s rename ANCAP to The Australasian New Car Rating Assessment Program ANCRAP

[@davidb1630]

The CN7 i30 of 2021 was rated in North America as a 5 star car. You can find the ratings on the internet. It even won Car of the Year, in North America. I believe in 2021. These clowns are just wasting taxpayers' dollars. Yet, as you showed, a 2018 Corolla with 5 stars would now be probably rate, 3 on the same testing criteria from 2018.

[@ImagineMySurprise510]

I don't know but I suspect that they tested the i30 four years late so they can say to the Minister, "We didn't have the money to test it any earlier. We could test more cars nearer their release date if you gave us more money." Speculation.

[@MrXispas]

I bet BYD gets 7 stars....And the new Jaguar about 9. And yes, i know the máx is 5.

[@paul9689]

Always check IIHS. Stopped looking at ANCAP when they removed the actual test data replacing it with opaque scoring.

[@kennethprocak5176]

ANCAP rules make it possible for cars with poor occupant safety to be rated as highly safe!

[@Iwishiwasflying]

I’ll take advice from Euro Ncap over our own uses testing slush fund

[@chefgav1]

@@Iwishiwasflying same protocols

[@theairstig9164]

The LHD Mustang tub was reinforced on the drivers side to improve frontal offset crash protection. It’s the same tub used in RHD models. Ford know what the frontal offset performance is for the RHD tub in the same offset crash test. This is because of simulations. Bottom line: it’s a very different result

[@docbob3030]

I just come here to perve on the Bot pics 😂

[@AutoExpertJC]

Me too.

[@silverwolf4095]

Surely that is putting the cart before the horse

[@youbencowell]

Here in the UK we have the Volvo XC90 being sold with a 2015 crash test result!

[@nicholasmatthews5989]

Friend buys VW T-Roc December 2023, has safety rating of "5 STARS", then the very next month the very same T-Roc in 2024 is now classified as "UNRATED". ANCAP safety ratings are crazy.

[@1zanglang]

My people call it ”troc”. Which in our language means ”trough”...

[@biastv1234]

Yep , does a little orange light on your door mirror actually help you in an accident 🤦‍♂️

[@AutoExpertJC]

No. And the 'you're about to crash' warning, when you are emphatically not, is even more counterproductive.

[@robstone4537]

Maybe not, but as a motorcycle rider when I see that little orange light suddenly pop up on a car's mirror it does give me a (probably false) bit of hope the person will see me as I pass.

[@theairstig9164]

@@robstone4537if it’s a Ford Ranger or VW Amarok driver chances are they are using it to line you up to cut you off. Ask me how I know

[@Chris_the_Muso]

@@AutoExpertJC Trust me, it's even worse when it jams on the brakes on a bend.

[@JimboJones-qn4wd]

10:12 - The i30 sedan is not a "small" car! It is a normal size sedan.

[@craigquann]

Crash ratings should be just that. Crashing. Headlights don't help survive a crash. Lane keep and driver assistance doesn't help survive a crash etc (preventing and surviving are not the same). Tell me exactly how safe the car is for me and my passengers. That's it. Literally I don't give a fuck about pedestrians or cyclists. That has nothing to do with my safety. Rate that separately. Why is this so hard to understand?

[@JohnMcClain-p9t]

Probably because you're being logical.

[@craigquann]

@JohnMcClain-p9t it's turning out to be a fucking superpower at this point apparently.

[@Paul-b2s4j]

Testing a 4 yr old car is the equivalent of testing the survivability of the Sherman Easy 8 on the modern battlefield!

[@tallboy49]

The so called safety toys fitted to modern cars will only lead to more crashes. Not being able to look to right or left when entering an intersection without being chimed with a light flashing is quite stupid. Lane keeping assist is another crash waiting to happen. If one cannot steer the vehicle between the lines then one should not be driving. How many drivers use this to steer the vehicle and depend on it to keep the vehicle going safely down the road.Some times i think these toys are fitted to cause more crashes to get the statistics up.

[@seaeagles6025]

Thanks John for another great presentation. SAY HI TO HYUNDAI 😂🤣.

[@EZ-df1cm]

Say hi to your ,mates at ANCAP

[@StuFletch68]

If the average person was forced to do a rally/advanced driving course before they got their license 1) star ratings probably wouldn't be "that" important. 2) road congestion would be eliminated due to the few that would pass.....................

[@GiveMoreHugs]

You should see what they're doing in the motorcycle space, its a mess

[@glennayers8073]

I wonder whether they do ratings electric cars and what star ratings they put on them 😅

[@theairstig9164]

Some MG BEVs were. Given what happened to the original Chery J3, ANCAP are much more likely to crash test a Chinese sourced car like a TESLA model 3 or a Ora cat (which BMW rebadged and called a mini) than anything from Korea or Europe

[@davidreeves2911]

No substitute for mass, 7 fold increase in fatalities in small cars compared to large cars for impacts between them. ANCAP have been misleading buyers for decades. Been hit from behind in a toyota and felt like rag doll being thrown around inside the car, not much damage, both cars repairable. Was hit at a similar speed by a courier van while driving a falcon, didn't feel much, the van looked like it had been used by a suicide bomber, and the falcon was a write off, so probably a much bigger impact. Mass velocity and rate of deceleration counts more than stars.

[@YouShouldThink4Yourself]

How can a Safety organization give any stars to a vehicle that can steer it's self into oncoming traffic. This is exactly what Teslas "Driver Assist" does. OR .. As told to me by a recent Tesla purchaser; "I wasn't using Driver Assist, I didn't pay the extra for it, I didn't even have cruse control on. It (the Tesla model 3) veered off the road and rolled, I couldn't steer it. The air bags did not deploy, it was towed away undrivable. later in the discussion, Tesla's response? Take it to a service centre to get it serviced!!! Insurance company wrote it off."

[@MrButtonpresser]

Next years models will come with a built in ECG machine. Hooking up the electrodes may take you a while before you drive away though. Why not just leave them on all the time?

[@MattBlack6]

Inconvenience. You often have to shave first.

[@1Longranger]

Actually, that's not a silly idea. The amount of cardiac conditions afflicting people nowadays is staggering. Every drive is an adventure now (especially on long trips) keeping a heightened situational awareness on defcon red. You never know when the driver coming the other way drops off the perch... Doctors are baffled..

[@peterbullen3347]

Road safety, John, you make some interesting points on your videos, well done. I would love to see some research on tyres and rainy weather, especially in Queensland where there is no annual safety checks for cars. I see taxis and many cars with shiny bald tyres, who checks these ?

[@sia5636]

I love vollyball 🏐

[@jongoffinet8511]

😂😂😂

[@AutoExpertJC]

Nude volleyball in a retirement home, not so much...

[@Chris_the_Muso]

@@AutoExpertJC It depends, will the referees have tasers? Ooops.... Too soon?

[@rovert1284]

I no longer pay any attention to the safety star rating. Pity. But what I expect the rating to do is to assess how well the occupants of the car will be protected in the event of a crash. I certainly think ANCAP can promote accident prevention items to look for - but until the item is proven and legislated for, leave it out of the ratings. Take ABS - great benefit and I quite rightly should have been pushed on manufacturers, but irrelevant in survival test for when a crash occurs.

[@StuFletch68]

how things have changed i30 Hyundai considered a "small" car 4,710mm L x 1,825mm W x 1,420mm H VB Commodore Mid to Largish in the 80's size 4,700mm L x 1722mm W x 1,359mm H

[@Kawasaki1-m4l]

I have a 2012 Hyundai i30 6 speed manual. 5 star rating, 180000 kays. I wouldn't have a new car with cameras that spy on you & spying on you through your phone. That's an overkill of control Big brother Territory.

[@stevehiggins6793]

Maybe we need a dual rating system like appliances energy ratings. 1 rating for design safety ( so results from crash test ) and a second rating for Driver assistance safety features.The rating sticker could also state the year it was rated

[@richlawrence4160]

Are we sure that the same models in Europe, US and Asia are actually the same? Do the manufacturers have variations for models in different markets?

[@charlestoast4051]

Have any real world tests been performed on safety assist technologies? You might think they could be effective, intuitively, but I strongly believe some features, such as lane assist, could actually cause accidents.

[@ericbarrington9522]

on a different note, Landrover hybrid has the hybrid battery on one side of the vehicle running down the side, under the seat floor, so both sides needs a crash test!! would we get different test results from either side.

[@mindfreeze0838]

This is probably what ANCAP and alot of persons might not want to hear but, Global NCAP and ASEAN ANCAP test vehicles alot better than ANCAP, EuroNCAP and LatinANCAP. They actually put more of the focus in the first three things ANCAP looks at and alot less on that nonsense 4th principle apart from the car having ESC and ABS as standard.

[@DayyyForIt]

Nothing wrong with testing i30, critics can fault anything to everything depending upon what benefits them. People can make mistakes even if they're seasoned drivers so it's better to have active safety as standard. IMO, since the new i30 is most affordable and there are less wait times compared to Toyotas, it will be popular pick for car hire, taxis, fleet. Maybe Toyota supplied their corolla for testing earlier and due to past policies, their safety ratings are still valid.

[@pxbvic]

The less safety protection devices that interfere with the driving experience would make me more inclined to buy the car... I don't need driver alertness, lane keeping assist and other such annoyances because I pay attention and drive the car, unlike millions on the road today who are driven to distraction by their social media and mobile phones...

[@Noah_E]

It's almost like America knows what it's doing. Our EPA fuel economy ratings are the most accurate in the World (11% lower than WLTP) and our crash test methodology is the most relevant to real world driving. Especially the small overlap test.

[@andrewjones-rl4pe]

Still can't see the bottom of youtr tee shirt.

[@russcattell955i]

Arguably the safest car in 1955 is the Citroën DS. Although leagues ahead of everything until Volvo & Saab got busy. Nobody would subject them to todays test parameters.

[@sisupower970]

Think I'll bypass ANCAP and just keep driving the Saab.👌👍🤭

[@RogerSutton-ik9fj]

All dwarfed by the nut behind the wheel which is no doubt why they're doing their best to get rid of us. I'll look forward with utmost anticipation to ANCAP exploring the additional risk to occupants in the event of non fatal crashes re electric door locks that don't work and the risk of subsequent immolation vis a vis diesel petrol and lithium. Go ANCAP!

[@Grumpy-sy7wr]

I drive older cars, think ABS and 2 airbags total safety features old. Recently had to do an intrastate trip in one of work's new D-Max utes. Narrowish highway, with an oversize load approaching. Not a big FO oversize, just one that needed all of its own lane, maybe a few inches of mine. I eased my way over to the left side white line, and the lane keep tried to throw me under the oncoming oversize truck. I'd much prefer not to have it.

[@derekhobbs1102]

I30 is nearly as big and heavy as my dad's 1970 Fairlane, definitely not a small car.

[@theairstig9164]

The difference being the 1970 fairlane had no anti intrusion bars or passenger cell. Also lap sashes in the back seat

[@PlumbBob-FGX]

​@@theairstig9164 That 1970 Fairlane has such a broad deep chrome plated bumper, that it is an intrusion bar in its own right. It could intrude into most things

[@richlawrence4160]

The electronic safety items are useless. My car frequently gives false beeps, which stop before I can look at the screen to tell me what it is worried about. It makes the same beeping sounds for everything. Most common false readings are lane departure on bus stops and water filled ruts, and also brake for tree shadows across roads and safety barriers on bends. A hired Sportage last year had active steering correction, it pulled me back into oncoming traffic when I crossed the centre line after completing an overtake. It also pulled me off the exit when it saw the join in the road surfaces. The sportage corrected steering by using differential braking, which felt very scary. This year I hired a corolla, it steered me into oncoming traffic to avoid a shadow of a tree. At least the corolla did it by steering, but several times it did it wrong. It did have the ability to keep in lanes on a highway (self driving) when it got it right. It also had speed sign recognition showing the current speed limit, but would forget after not seeing a sign for a few minutes, it also got confused at school speeds limits with variable times. In my experience, this electronic stuff is just a rubbish gimmicky distraction, the tech. is too immature go be taken seriously.

[@davidbrayshaw3529]

@@PlumbBob-FGX Fun fact: In 1970, when Victoria's population was about half what it is today, and a greater percentage of the population didn't own cars when compared to today, the road safety campaign slogan was something along the lines of "Let's get the toll below 1000". 296 died on the roads last year.

[@GregWaterland]

@@davidbrayshaw3529”declare war on 1034”

[@davepfizer]

LOL My son had one of those Mazda's. The rear suspension after its 6 year life fell to pieces. It totally rotted out until the whole thing collapsed such was the cheese of the poor quality steel it was made from. Even if i had been properly treated and protected the steel delaminated and just fell to pieces. The front wasn't any better. It couldn't be towed away it had to be lifted off the deck.

[@blueyhis.zarsoff1147]

forget the electronics we need the crash numbers, injures and deaths per car

[@user-gil-e]

When will the government work out Australia no longer have a car industry?

[@flassboy]

Family member of an ANCAP probably considered purchasing one so “let’s test it”…. TUG MASTERS!!!

[@hugowells3052]

Crash compatibility should be factored into the standards. Maybe then people would drive more sensible cars

[@ImagineMySurprise510]

ANCAP could avoid some of this criticism by not constantly using stars even when the test procedures change. We know 5 stars for 2020 does not mean the same as 5 stars in 2024. So every time they change the rules they could go crazy with the emoji choices and assign triangles, circles, diamonds, tsunami waves, or gorgonzola cheese icons to indicate a degree of separation in the test results that cannot be comparable. But they won't do that because it would expose more readily that not as many test results are as current as they would have the ordinary punter believe.

[@AndrewFishman]

GOtta ask, would the shift of driver position from right to left affect the safety rating of a vehicle that is tested in Europe? It seems that is could have a bit of an affect on the safety with position behind the engine shifted and the seat belt over the other shoulder.

[@stagggerlee]

Watching from the US, I have to wonder if Hyundai's check must have been lost in the mail. Here their cars are slightly less ugly than Mitsubishi's, and along with partner K backwards N, top the list of stolen cars because you only need a screwdriver or USB cable to drive away. Maybe the i30 is less safe in Australia because the steering wheel is on the right rather than left? Maybe ancap put the barrier, or the driver dummy, (not to confused with ancap managers) on the wrong side?

[@85priesty]

When I worked in car sales it gave me the absolute ***** reading different vehicles when the actual vehicle was better in an actual crash... the best example was when the Australian built Commodore base model had a 5 star....yet every model above was a 4 star because it didn't have an indicator of an indicator that a seatbelt wasn't done up.... I am more interested in what is going to happen in an actual accident...because if you're required to not ensure your children are properly strapped in...then the car is not necessarily the issue. Kids make everything different...(and Covid) but then all of a sudden a Volvo seems like the sensible choice/not many vehicles available. I will say again, whenever possible a 2010 Volvo never, ever take your car to to the Hobart dealership. It's good for my own ego that nobody randomly on facebook totally ignored from someone who previously worked in the industry....I'd never recommend and a used Volvo, but I never take my own advice. But everyone who ignored me, 2 CVT X trails and the ZD30 did what you would expect.... my Volvo is still going. Just never take it to the dealership....the replaced the light globes that were working. I replaced the ones that weren't. It only cost $600. So Tasmania... don't ever go to the Porsche, Merc, Volvo dealership... they will rip you off, and in an older vehicle, clearly have someone retarded fix your car. If you're as mental enough as I am...drive past a few independent mechanics and if there's anything French or Italian...they're the place to go to. But the ANCAP is rubbish. There's too much on driver aids now. Which don't mean a thing if someone smashes into you. I know with my Volvo, the doors are so heavy as is the car that at least I'm 2 feet away from an accident if someone T-Bones me. And it has all the safety features that they just have... But I'd never recommend buying one...new or used, as an ex Carsalesperon... fortunately I got the most reliable engine...but 98RON and 11L/100km is good. Haha... but I'm going to drive it until it dies and take the seats out and turn them into lounge chairs.

[@murrieteacher]

John, I stopped taking notice of ANCAP years ago. I would refer to the European testing and then insurance data from the USA before I took notice of testing by ANCAP. They are an embarrassment.

[@davidvanderklauw]

I do generally support the concept of crash testing for cars of which many are intended to be sold. However considering how ANCAP has gone to seed I suggest it might be better to replace laboratory crash testing with doing a proper investigation of every actual crash. Obviously under my scheme problems will show up later rather than sooner - so that is a drawback. However what will show up is real-life experience rather than wishful thinking about software beeping, savage braking and steering wheel jerking.

[@jugganaut33]

Well every 2000’s Volvo just failed the Ncap. … I guarantee they’d come off better in against every 2024 car. It would be like hitting a lunch box on a brick

[@swedishbob_7315]

In the last 3 years, I have purchased 5 new cars from 3 different manufacturers and never saw each car's ANCAP rating... shrug... Toyota / Lexus, VW and Subaru

[@janetmunro6178]

Hyundai moved production of i30 from South Korea to Czechia at start on 2024

[@clubsportr08]

If I am buying a new car from now on I'll check the American safety check listings IOT make a real world informed decision.

[@aidandorrian920]

Voltaire ... my hero

[@aidandorrian920]

It's like a "Royal Commission " good work Mr C

[@garyburchgb]

Does ancap have a paint protection rating? Generally, in crashes, the cars paint may get scratched, chipped or scuffed, especially in the crashes the set up. So why would they not have a rating for that? If I was CEO of ancap and I realised that a paint protection rating wasn't on the cards, I would certainly introduce one, to get more from the tsxpayers.

[@charlescamen5225]

one could say ANCAP is 5 Star on this basis.

[@adampoyser6453]

Driving any new model now gives me a sense of anxiety before I reach the end of the street. Pinging for unknown reasons, then as you search the dash cluster for the reason behind the pinging, the eye sensor starts bleeping because you looked away from the road. By this time the speed alert is sounding because you're 51km/h in the 50 zone due to distraction and the expletives begin to roll. Blood pressure rises along with the anger. Hardly a 5 star safety environment eh

[@lrampton4938]

Do any car buyers ever look at the ANCAP rating?? Is ancap at all relevant?

[@MalHanson]

Fleet buyers do - if their employee dies in a crash of a company supplied vehicle they can say we did everything we could, and the family can't sue us. Even if they crashed while trying to turn off, or were distracted by, all the stupid warnings.

[@Chris_the_Muso]

@@MalHanson I'll add the gullible to that. There's a lot of people and politicians who are pretty clueless. Apart from seat belts, ABS and airbags there's very little evidence that all the other bumf has any positive effect.

[@chefgav1]

John get a grip the i30 had a terrible adult protection result

[@AutoExpertJC]

It was 4-star there. Try to keep up.

[@chefgav1]

@ Bit embarrassing you seem unaware of US and Aussie variants are different structurally

[@chefgav1]

@ @ you do understand that US market add extra reinforcements to pass there small overlap and heavier side impact tests don’t you? Not me that needs to keep up bruz

[@wonton8983]

You should seriously look at the various RAC boards for who stands as candidates, I have a very hard time trying to find one I can vote for that mentions car enthusiast over environmentalist in their bio.'s.

[@axelknutt5065]

Why is a ‘private’ company doing the testing? I’ve been involved importing products for the HVAC industry and refrig, electric and gas appliances. Also exporting HVAC products to Europe, Middle East, S-Africa and NZ. I’ve had a hand in drafting Aust Standards. In all cases, it’s up to the importer/wholesaler to pay for and organise testing to the appropriate regulations. If you don’t do it, you can’t sell it. Why isn’t it up to the car company to do the testing? ANCAP could do some random tests to keep them honest. The tests should be crash testing / survivability only .. so a car tested 10 yr ago can be directly compared to a car tested yesterday. All the ancillary items, like seat-belt warning, lane change of whatever, should be listed in a separate table.

[@Chris_the_Muso]

It's got nothing to do with Australian standards. Those are completely separate and work as you describe. ANCAP has nothing to do with standards and everything to do with skimming taxpayers money while completely misleading them about what a safe vehicle really is. As John said, it's possible for a vehicle with a five star ANCAP rating to have poor side intrusion protection, and in fact that is pretty much a given with most unibody designs.

[@axelknutt5065]

@ exactly, and that’s why the manufacturers should be footing the bill. .. but of course that would mean that there’s no need for ANCAP

[@Parawingdelta2]

I don't think I've heard anyone speak with the total absence of "discourse markers" or "speech "disfluency." Quite remarkable.

[@AutoExpertJC]

Yeah. 'Mazing...

[@TonyWhite22351]

Also it’s the first time I’ve ever heard the word spectate used in a sentence !

[@stusue9733]

Small car might not be a proper noun but in this case it's the title of the segment, doesn't that change things?

[@AutoExpertJC]

No. It doesn't.

[@stusue9733]

@@AutoExpertJC That does not surprise me. I hate English, such a shame it is my first and only language lol Thank you.

[@peteregan9750]

May seem like a silly Q; but we know modern cars are designed for a crumble zone to reduced forces, but since they are using thinner and thinner metal and more plastics is there a point where the thinner steel/excess plastics cause the safety to become worse - ???

[@theairstig9164]

No. Look inside the glove box for a big thick bar. Same bar is in all the doors

[@bubbleboy468]

They use much stronger steel in impact zones. It makes a huge difference.

[@davidpalin1790]

Thanks for teaching us that "all momentum " is conserved 😅😅😅

[@oldfartonabmx2122]

Have you told this to your local federal MP John?

[@junaubomber6977]

Have been disregarding NCAP ever since I found out they put considerable attention to pedestrian safety

[@pete8181]

I bet Nissan are getting excited, they have a lot of old cars that need retesting... Selling 7 cars of each model will be a massive boost to their finances!

[@Kraigslist]

John, I’m a Staria owner and and I’m not a serial killer although I have had Jeffery Dahmer desires recently, also I’ll be in the market for a Nissan in the next 12-18 months can you help with this?

[@paulargent1003]

Hmm! So by their standard a Bushmaster would be hard pressed to rate a 1.

[@Chris_the_Muso]

Exactly.