AHS17 Lost Seasonality and Overconsumption of Plants: Risking Oxalate Toxicity - Sally Norton

In the context of a global food system and 24-hour retail groceries offering every imaginable food 365 days a year, the dictum to “eat more plants” may be dangerous to human health due to unaware excessive consumption of oxalates. Dramatic increases in calcium-oxalate kidney stones, and functional problems with digestive health, neurotoxicity (sleep, brain function), inflammation (pain, autoimmunity, cellular stress, fatigue), and connective tissue instability (osteoporosis, arthritis, vulnerability to injury) are all consistent with increased oxalate toxicity. Learn how modern food choices and meal patterns create the conditions for accumulation of oxalate in the body, and how oxalates create metabolic havoc. This session explains how modern foods and medicines increase susceptibility to oxalates; makes the case for careful attention to oxalate consumption; dispels the notion that all vegetables and seeds are healthy and safe to eat on a regular basis; and introduces the therapeutic benefits of a low-oxalate diet.

[@susans7091]

Love some of these old videos of Sally Norton and oxalates. She is so clear, and is willing to admit when she doesn't know.

[@olgakuchukov6981]

I have been skipping over the older, before the book and consequent research, videos. But I’ve been mistaken in doing so! She’s a great speaker and just as fired up then as now and in between. Cheers.

[@kdhoward83]

Take a look at her skin, her muscle tone.. she’s doing something right.

[@DevinDTV]

you aren't going to get muscle from your diet. but yes she has very good skin

[@Thomaslinqvist2]

@GROID-19 gym :DD

[@Thomaslinqvist2]

@GROID-19 and yes together but it doesnt mean we must eat full meat

[@DevinDTV]

@GROID-19 resistance training. doesn't matter how good your diet is, you aren't going to put on muscle without some form of training. protein is also required of course, but that's beside the point. her muscle tone says absolutely nothing about whether "she's doing something right" in regards to diet, besides getting as much protein as any other non-impoverished modern human edit: also anabolic steroids can build you muscle without even training, but yeah point stands

[@lorilaw2604]

I sit here and look at her beautiful arms and you guys talk about them. I'd like to buy a pair somewhere 👍🤷 I do not like to show my arms I wish they looked like hers.

[@BRathjens51]

I'm just sitting here and shaking my head. It's a wonder I'm still alive. I have a lot to eliminate on my diet according to this woman.

[@robinpclarke]

Do remind us to wish you best on your 100th birthday!

[@LastDays7]

Glad I found these resources. I tested positive for high oxalates last year. The ND said to avoid spinach and take some calcium citrate with meals. I didn't think much of it until I ended up in the emergency room this week. The staff could not diagnose my problem. I only put it together after reviewing your material. Cutting out spinach is not enough! I must have had severe oxalates in 2017-2018 as I experienced severe neuropathy and nerve pain. I switch to "super-foods" during that time.

[@disturbed1013]

Try keto/carnivore

[@hugoapresname]

Her book is out since End of 2022 and I highly recommend it! Sally K Norton Toxic Superfoods (How to: Low Oxalate Diet)

[@HearturMind]

My dog stole a stuffed grape leaf off the table at a party and almost died. Had all the toxic reactions and even bled when trying to Pooh. It was horrible. I am grateful though because it set me on a path to look at these toxins in vegetables. It is a lot to process, but we need to. The “healthy and plant based diet” is not necessarily so good long term.

[@Iliek]

I like how this woman speaks. She's deliberate and sincere. Many presenters speak non-stop and are annoying to listen to after a while, but not her.

[@mkswagner]

I had a professor in the 90’s in college in toxicology class who mentioned oxalates (along with a plethora of other defensive plant compounds) as potentially harmful to humans in quantity. I mainly just avoided spinach and some night shades, save tomato, because I like it. Anyway, avoiding sugar for years I got sucked into the other “super foods” - mainly almond, turmeric and raspberries in way too high amounts. I still eat from the plant kingdom, but no lectin and in very small portions and from the low oxalate groups. She is spot on. Paleolithic man was not eating almond flour pancakes with added turmeric and covered in a cup of raspberries (like I was). Eventually I will add some things like raspberries back, but mainly in season and in small amounts.

[@tender-2285]

If the plant is in season, it has lower oxylate?

[@Sydneywide1]

@@tender-2285 No. but you would tend to eat more of it.

[@midwestribeye7820]

Sally is intelligent and articulate. Plus, the lady has guns!💪 I always enjoy her lectures.

[@spence1501]

She sure does

[@DeepAstrology77]

Glad to see some in Weston Price addressing these issues. I think we need to look further back than a few generations, since many of the plants we eat today either didn't exist just a few thousand years ago, or were much smaller and less sweet.

[@beacomrie343]

I definitely think some people are more sensitive to high oxalate foods. When I went Paleo a few years ago and started eating berries, nuts , dark chocolate , sweet potatoes etc. I started becoming very stiff and achey. It was very scary. After a lot of research and found out about oxalates I knew it was the problem. Stopped eating them and stiffness went away. Binged on some nuts a couple years later and could barely move the next day. I've loosened up the past few months on some nuts and potatoes and cocoa powder and my knees came up stiff. So back to very low oxalate diet. My muscles and joints are very sensitive to oxalate rich foods. My brother was prone to kidney stones and I told him about oxalates as he liked nuts and chocolate. He hasn't had one since. It's real and could be affecting you and you don't realize it.

[@thelandsavior402]

How are you now? Im going low oxalate diet and i really cant move and had prolong for more than 2 weeks

[@Luis_0619]

@@thelandsavior402 hey, how are you doing? Wishing you a speedy recovery🙂

[@thelandsavior402]

@@Luis_0619 Ey my friend! I had completely healed! Alot better.. still stick with ketovore diet. Thanks for your regards. 😃

[@Luis_0619]

@@thelandsavior402

[@toni4729]

Oh wow, I've been waiting for someone like you to speak for 25 years.

[@charleslemagne202]

8:12 High Oxalate Foods: Spinach, Beets, Swiss Chard, Potatoe, Sweet Potatoe, Celery; Plantain, Rhubarb, Almonds, Cashews, Pine Nuts, Peanuts, Chia, Sesame, Poppy Seeds, Chocolate, Cocoa, Black, Green and White Tea, Turmeric, Cumin, Cinnamon 26:09 Low Oxalate Greens: Cabbage, Bok Choi, Brussels Sprouts, Arugula, Mâche, Lettuce, Lacinato Kale, Mustard Greens (Water Cress)

[@marykennedysherin3330]

Thanks 🙏🏻

[@gentleoldmoviefan5680]

Helpful list. Thank you for sharing it :) To the High Ox. list, I wonder if Brussels Sprouts could be added? And if Asparagus is Low to Moderate Oxalates? (it seems to me that I've read both; maybe it's a variable food -? ). On a different subject, I've read in a few informal places online that Moringa Leaf (and therefore 'Moringa powdered supplements', which many people use for desired health benefits) is High Oxalate or Very High Oxalate. ~ Do you know if that can be confirmed, through some kind of verifiable semi-authoritative source? I know of a person, friendly, who probably needs to know that she's not doing her health any favors by consuming it regularly. However, I don't have a solid source to refer her to. (so that she can confirm it, for herself) For my own situation, I would like to know definitively about the Oxalates level of: pink grapefruit. It's one food that I haven't been able to drop. Or so it seems for now. Comparatively, I found dark chocolate somewhat easy to quit. My method was to temporarily use *white* chocolate as a "step down" (substitute) for approx. 4 weeks. It had to be a high quality, good tasting brand, of course. Gradually I was able to quit, both chocolates, as a daily habit. Conversely, ... I'm hoping that grapefruit - eating a whole one, every day - isn't too bad in Oxalates. However am willing to accept the truth. Unfortunately, I don't live in a locality where I can easily have access white grapefruit, which I've heard isn't so bad in oxalates. Ideally, I would like to have a choice of which grapefruit to buy. (Citrus is a food I've always loved). Anyone know about the oxalate level of pink grapefruit? -- and a source where I could confirm it, definitively? Thanks.

[@KT-dq5cp]

And it’s in meat too To quote nephrologist (a specialty of adult internal medicine and pediatric medicine that concerns the study of the kidneys, specifically normal kidney function (renal physiology) and kidney disease (renal pathophysiology), the preservation of kidney health, and the treatment of kidney disease, from diet and medication) Dr David Goldfarb MD “ OXALATE METABOLISM COMES FROM EATING ANIMAL PROTEIN,….. from the amino acid prolene - a component of COLLAGEN”

[@The_Conspiracy_Analyst]

plantain is NOT high in oxalate.

[@wingsofeden]

⁠not in meat!

[@hankkuya4354]

Thank you. I realize now that I didn’t have what I thought was gout because of the systems of all my joints. Being a 150 lbs male. After blood tests it showed negative and my blood healthy after a month of fasting. In the past 7 years I’ve been monitoring my food choices closely. These days I eat alone.

[@deadgrassroad]

Anyone else want to give this lady a hug?

[@ZenithAstrology]

deadgrassroad 🤗

[@michaelbennett1218]

🤗

[@karlhungus5554]

Well, maybe not a hug...

[@-Diana469]

Yeah a hug and everything in my refrigerator.

[@LabelMeInfinity]

There is something seriously attractive about this woman to me...

[@pedinomefaux]

Great presentation. The more we know the better.

[@koczaioandaniel4014]

An year ago every morning I was eating a green shake, rucola + spinach + almonds, after a few months I start feeling like shit, I didn't know why. After a while a found about plants toxicity and I remove the shake from my diet, the rest of my diet remained the same. In a couple of months I was like new.

[@M13x13M]

Yeah, me too cause I was growing 4 kinds of oxalate greens. Paleo man did not have blenders.

[@Jb-ky1ri]

Did u have the rucola on its on later on to see if ok for you?

[@kjn68i]

I love to see an interview between Sally K Norton and Dr Eric Berg

[@danieltrickey9285]

And Dr. Gundry.

[@Percyfaith7]

And Dr. Jack Kruse. Well may be challenging as he is into physics not just biology .... Example of prespective FB JK 9 19 20 Oxalate Thiamine issues facebook.com/drjackkruse/posts/3815907608473565 Do you think oxalate issues are a food issue or might they be linked to your poo environment choices around the electromagnetic spectrum?

[@tiptoptelugus5801]

Y because they contrast in terms of veggies

[@chantellucky4565]

@@bluebirdhill1 Just wondering… 7 to 10 cups of low oxalate veg per day, 7 days a week, 30 days a month and so on….still all adds up to a steady uptake of continuation of oxalate culmination in the body? I wish dr Eric B has a video of this issue.

[@ruthmoore1448]

This is a game changer, thanks Sally.

[@cristianpiano2170]

I nearly killed myself eating about a pound of spinach a day... was having pure chaos in all my organs and was having the worst/scariest symptoms I’ve ever felt... took 5 months of learning how to eat better to finally go full carnivore..and now I feel BETTER than I did 5-8 years ago! I’m sure eating some veggies here and there won’t kill you but don’t over do it at all.. after watching this video, I now know why my thyroid was shot beyond function... hopefully time will heal that.

[@michael_mathieu_vibrant_health]

I’m writing this nine months after you posted. Wondering how you were doing now?

[@mrazik131]

thinking the same I hope Cristian is ok doing better...?

[@paulnielsen3256]

Impressively informative. Sally is an extremely effective and motivating speaker!

[@graydonjones6912]

Excellent I've been telling people this and no one cared just bitched about pain

[@BelindaTN]

Why on earth, did a grown man put a decorative house plant in his mouth?

[@justlookattheflowers4239]

Boys will be boys lol.

[@CottageCupcake]

Probably a dare

[@annamaria1972]

Yeah so weird

[@Vintage606]

Why do any humans put plants in their mouth

[@SirPraiseSun]

This video is GOLD thank you Sally.

[@cevisuals]

Based on this information presented, it appears to me the only SAFE diet is strict Carnivore... Am I missing something here?

[@nora22000]

Yes. You need to squirt lemon on your spinach as you saute it. Binds the oxalates and neutralizes them.

[@KarenForemanBrown]

you are pretty right - but if you have been eating high ox previously, you might want to taper down towards full carnivore so you don't spark any major dumping episodes.

[@spaceghost8995]

@@nora22000 Yeah right! LMAO. Even if that works, it's moronic. Like I'm sure people had tropical fucking LEMONS just at the ready for this! If I have to neutralize a fucking toxin just to eat something safely, I will simply NOT EAT IT. This is not hard.

[@maudestephens7086]

People are imbalanced. I get sick on lots of food, my stomach is hyper sensitive. Chinese vegetables are great.bok choy, onions,chestnuts, and tropical fruits.i stick to fish and chicken, but sticking to fish. I just need to stick to the diet.

[@benedictvoon812]

Check out this MD Paul Saladino. And he is a pure carnivore with a fact check.

[@heidiparkin315]

Greed is what got us where we are today. I am so glad I went carnivore, mind you I have yet to give up my tea but I'm working on it.

[@imstillhere3753]

heidi parkin I agree. I almost died. I can’t believe this,,

[@annamaria1972]

I drink herbal Tea like roobios, menthe , camomille.

[@gentleoldmoviefan5680]

I wonder if tea would be better (i.e., safer) if it were: 1) room temperature, or cold temperature, brewed -- as some delicate tea leaves allow, and 2) loose leaf tea, and not overly processed and put into a tea bag; and 3) not brewed for too long. That way, it seems to me, you'd be getting a gentle extract (a.k.a. "infusion"?), rather than consuming components from the tea leaves which are (more) aggressively stripped from it ... say from over-processing of the tea leaves and then hot-water soaking? As a possible analogy, when harsh solvents are used to extract the desired psycho-active compounds from Kava Kava (plant) root, then it has a much higher content of cytotoxic compounds in the resulting "brew". However, when slightly warm water is used instead, then the amount of cytotoxic compounds resulting (such as certain "kavains", for example) is much less. How the (green) tea is prepared might make a big difference. On the other hand, maybe this is merely wishful thinking on my part :), and regular non-herbal tea is best avoided altogether. I do know that drinking such tea, alongside food or supplements containing the B vitamins, will result in very significant reduction of the body's ability to absorb and use those B vitamins. Therefore, it's important to consume tea separate from such food, by about 2 hours at least, according to Elliot Overton. Maybe other nutrition experts will give a different interval of time, however, ... for minimizing tea's negative effect on nutrient absorption. I hope tea is OK in moderation (???) but will eventually accept whatever the true answer turns out to be . More 'layperson research' is needed, on my part, before I will hopefully find the actual answer. In the meantime, I am trying to limit my (green) tea to one serving per day, and not having it "strong brewed". It's dark chocolate that I'm having a harder time with -- giving up, that is. It's a good way to "mood alter" in the short run, but I suspect it's very unhealthy for me (in the long run). I'd really like to know if Kava Kava has high oxalates. (drinking the traditionally prepared "tea" version of it, that is) I'm afraid it probably does, but haven't been able to confirm it yet.

[@wailingrachel9274]

Wow, this woman has got some serious guns. Damn, amazing!

[@hodshonf]

yeah, she's hot

[@Ghryst]

agree'd, i cant stop staring at her "guns" either

[@haidowakumka2103]

Same here. So toned.

[@Ghryst]

also, her arms are pathetic.. thats typical of females though, due to their not doing real jobs where actual work is required.

[@TheseAreMyQuestions]

@@Ghryst Lmfao fucking incel

[@speechgirl36]

Some of those plants listed as low oxalate toxic were the very plants that made me realize that plants were making me sick. I had to eliminate kale and spinach completely. I was eating about 5-7 cups per day in salads but when I cut them out I stopped having horrible cramping and stomach pains. 😬

[@emmatessier600]

I don't understand how the solution would be to avoid those foods or only use their extracts. That would not reflect a 'natural' diet at all. Root plants have been in our diet since forever. I'm getting the impression that the research is not developed far enough to be taking drastic action. Almost every time someone tries an elimination diet you hear them coming back a few years later with a new problem. For now I'll be sticking to a nice varied diet with a bit of everything, like a food rectangle instead of pyramid.

[@justriley9157]

Any proof to back up your statements ?

[@spence1501]

I have eating addiction. I'm hoping it might be the oxalates like the client you mentioned. Hoping this will help me overcome my eating addiction.

[@NessaVibes2024]

She's got nice arms! Aside from her enlightening video. Thankful for her.

[@KrisVictoria]

So interesting. I try my best to listen to my body when choosing my foods. In the past year I completely stopped eating spinach and stopped turmeric in the past couple months. I was eating a pound of spinach a week and would take turmeric capsules for pain with my period. Now I realize why my body didn’t want those things anymore.

[@charleslemagne202]

8:12 Oxalathaltige Lebensmittel: Spinat, Rüben, Mangold, Kartoffel, Süßkartoffel, Sellerie; Wegerich, Rhabarber, Mandeln, Cashewnüsse, Pinienkerne, Erdnüsse, Chia, Sesam, Mohn, Schokolade, Kakao, schwarzer, grüner und weißer Tee, Kurkuma, Kreuzkümmel, Zimt 26:09 Oxalatarme Grüne Gemüse: Kohl, Bok Choi, Rosenkohl, Rucola, Mâche, Salat, Lacinato Kale, Senfgrün (Wasserkresse)

[@sillywilly123]

Sorrel soup though, vile! I feel for that poor man thinking he was helping himself improve and having that be his last meal.

[@sillywilly123]

@Sirius White poor man :( only a few weeks ago I was looking into high inflamation and histamine foods, carrots where in the list, atleast the fiber in the hard form will result in less being absorbed and it will help it leave

[@nicolehenshaw3930]

I would love to see Sally and Medical medium have convo... that guy is ridiculous and who know how many lives he’s ruining with his oxalate loaded “advice”

[@Jb-ky1ri]

Medical medium speaks with demons and evil spirits that tells him exactly what poisons to people to eat to kill them slowly.. but he loves eat he makes money out if it and the sheeples loves his advice if drinking very bad vegetables like celery,spinach,garlic,coriander, and lectins/oxalate filled potatoes. He solves they half problems while causing half problems in long term

[@Whitewater_and_Wild_Mushrooms]

Awesome. Thanks to you and Sally Norton for sharing this.

[@aluxbalum]

I discovered Baru nuts checked out their information and stated they where tested for oxalated and where free of them, compared to most other nuts which are full of oxalates. I still eat almonds, walnuts, chia just reduced the amount and make up with Baru nuts which besides being oxalate and highly nutritious they taste amazing as well.

[@MsAnchovey]

You're just playing with fire with gasoline in your fingernails. Good luck with that.

[@terraflow__bryanburdo4547]

Having exotic plant foods shipped from all over the globe is as unethical as it is unhealthy. A dirty secret conveniently overlooked by affluent vegans chomping down their jackfruit, avocados and durian.Hypocrites to the Nth degree.

[@MsAnchovey]

@@terraflow__bryanburdo4547 A typical extremist addictive behavior. Their all right and good and whatever else that doesnt do vegan is all wrong and bad/evil. What can you do.....

[@PeopleHealthTru]

34:45. Citrates and pumpkin seed are good. High in oxalates are 6 baby leaves spinach, almond, beet, celery, tea, tumeric, cinnamon 27:14 food list

[@sofiamiliaressis5403]

Oh okay sunflower and pumpkin seeds too?

[@abc33944]

Some great questions in the Q& A

[@mmabagain]

We now have “studies “ proving the efficacy of various diets but all have something in the diet that will harm you. Maybe we should just stop eating all together. ☹️

[@gaypreator8547]

All of this is mind blowing and so informative … here comes the, however, do not blame Walmart.

[@-Diana469]

True. I think she was just saying how easy all those bad things are to get.

[@Hannahkeir]

Ive had chemical sensitivity, mainly antibiotics and artificial scents. I did not realize that was from oxalate toxicity, wich I discovered after ending up in hospital from passing kidney stones, Ecoli , and medication reaction.

[@HemanLee]

I just watched a video on the myths of Paleo, now it NO PLANTS. I think I will go on a Coffee diet.

[@KarenForemanBrown]

animal foods for the win. We don't need plants. (apart from coffee)

[@thalesnemo2841]

@@KarenForemanBrown Hat tip!

[@magma9138]

BRAVO! Thank you for sharing this...

[@deborahsalyers4387]

Please give me a website that will directly get me into a list of the oxalate content of all foods. My husband and I are in our 70's and are getting into this after slowly going from Keto which we began January 1 2020 and finally finished off the last vegetables and fruit we had May 13 2020 (today). We've gathered we shouldn't go cold turkey -- probably. Anyway, I'm tired of trying to go through all the websites I'm offered and never finding one that is just a list with all kinds of foods. No preaching. No trying to convince. We're the choir.

[@eileenpeh7942]

kidneystonediet.com/oxalate-list/ Hope this helps!

[@barblacy619]

Buy her book or check it out with inter library loan program.

[@M13x13M]

Should have mentioned the rather unpaleoistic aspect of drinking our food from a blender and having spinach available 12 months year.

[@robinpclarke]

No mention of dietary calciium binding and inhibiting oxalate intake?

[@whatisanamebutalayerofabsr4107]

Here's the problem... any presentation can be compelling if believed to be truths! How are we supposed to trust this amazing presentation? I just finished watching a compelling video by Brian Clement who says we should only eat raw vegetables... so what is a normal dude supposed to do? They both make a compelling argument but are on opposite sides of the discussion - Meat or Vegetables?

[@Lindabraggketovore]

Rocco Scocco I’m eating meat and feel great.

[@twocupsoftee]

• Excellent statement; I believed (20 years) wholeheartedly that the plant based approach ‘was best’ even though it was struggle for me. Then I finally tried high fat low refined carbs and my life changed. Do I believe plant based in wrong? NO! I do believe the diet best for you is based on what YOUR genetic heritage is. I’ve seen vegans flourish on plants and animal products and I’m currently flourishing on the high fat route. Why is everyone looking for ONE ideal diet for EVERYONE??

[@tomjones2157]

Try both for a few months and see! I personally got sick on vegan/vegetarian and nearly died twice. Recovering nicely on keto carnivore. I know which works for me by how I feel (and blood labs results, and recovering from illnesses)

[@MsAnchovey]

Yes, try both and see for yourself. What's good for one is bad for another.

[@aleksandrazimpel8097]

Rocco Scocco meat, animal fats, eggs, raw milk, raw milk cheese, homemade bone broth and kefir , fish it’s amazingly tasty

[@no-3607]

But what about hormesis? Dose makes poison? I'm not trying to troll I'm keeping a open mind to all sides! I listen to Ken Berry but I also listen to Dr. McDougal and the vegan doctor's!

[@terraflow__bryanburdo4547]

Don't listen to MacDougall, he is a quack with dementia. Hormesis is overrated. Go carnivore and eliminate the poisons first, then reintroduce as tolerated. Drs. Paul Saladino. Paul Mason and Shawn Baker are good as well.

[@janetdelcarmen1655]

Thank you doctor

[@Johneseed]

Its always about getting as much easy money as fast as we can! Every thing every one ever talks about is “Money Based”! Budda spoke once about crazy man as they spend their life and health trying too gather as much gold and riches as they can, then spend all those riches in the last 25% of their lives in agony trying to live!

[@brandensingletary18]

🤔 first and foremost I'm writing this as I watch this video truth be told my opinions May differ after doing the legwork and watching the whole thing but I'm open to ideas(which depending on the situation,can be a bad thing)but i am just trying to find balance and this from a 500 pound black man I've carried the weight and baggage physically and emotionally as well as mentality but I lost close to 50 pounds(was 558 to 516-513 or so)from September to now I've struggled and shrugged off my own feelings(the word shrugged I used happens to very ironic word for me to be using because of my pen name which is Atlas(what's in a name,but it damn sure isn't from that book)i've shrugged off my own feelings and own self worth and health for that matter. I'm just trying to find balance.

[@Lindabraggketovore]

branden singletary don’t give up and do as best you can. I started Carnivore and I love it. Watch videos from Butter Bob Briggs. He was over 300 pounds and has a video Butter made my pants fall off. I’ve followed him and Dr. Ken Berry. Great information from both. God bless and good luck.

[@yvonneclem351]

You are off on to a good start losing 50 pounds! Watch the videos by Dr. Ken D Berry, Dr. Jason Fung on intermittent fasting and diabetes, Dr. Nadir Ali on the role of cholesterol in the body. What I really like about these doctors is they all followed standard SAD, AHA, and ADA guidelines, got fatter, and experienced the issues that so many do. They started researching and experimenting and saw the difference that Keto and carnivore made in their lives. When a board certified GP (Berry), nephrologist (Fung), and cardiologist (Ali) start putting their patients on this way of eating then make videos or write books, to me that is pretty powerful. They are saying they are willing to risk their livelihood and threat of malpractice to give their patients the power to heal themselves with something as simple as what they eat versus handing them another 2 or 3 prescriptions that do nothing to improve their patients’ health. If you decide to give carnivore a go, watch some of Amber Hearn’s videos. Ivor Cummings and Dave Feldman get into the science behind Keto and Carnivore. Dave is literally his own lab rats and tests and charts day in and day out to show what happens in his body on Keto and Carnivore. Watch the Keto and carnivore conference videos. There are so many more out there I didn’t name. I went from strict Keto to Carnivore in June (now 8/30) and haven’t looked back. I have lost almost 42 pounds in that time, with another 80 to go to meet insurance table weights. My allergies are 99.9% gone, sleep better, more energy, better moods. I think the amount of dairy I was eating along with the swerve and other substitute sweeteners had me stalled out. It is so much simpler planning carnivore meals versus Keto. And my wallet is happier! I usually eat one meal a day because I just don’t get that hungry any more, and my body tells me when I’m getting enough fat versus protein. I don’t get cravings for sugar or junk food. I can even watch shows on the food network without rummaging in the kitchen🤣. And it doesn’t bother me to be eating with friends or family who are eating my old “favorites” or order desert. Just doesn’t sound appetizing anymore. Don’t give up, because you have already made progress. The best thing to do is try Keto for 3 months and see how you do, then transition to Carnivore and try it for a minimum of 6 weeks and compare how you do. Maybe what benefits you the most will be mixing the two styles. It’s your body and your science experiment. Whatever you end up doing, I wish you much success.

[@MsAnchovey]

@@yvonneclem351 Thanks for all your info. ♡♡♡

[@spaceghost8995]

Forget about "balance". It is a meaningless concept. You are fat. You should be eating extreme low carb with ZERO grains, fruits or sugars.

[@okieusa3979]

I sincerely hope you are keeping the good fight. Dr Robert Lustig, The Skinny on Obesity, helped me

[@sarahthomson8183]

Great talk! Thank you. I'm assuming that the oxalate in a Brazil nut will interfere with absorbing the selenium, correct?

[@ArtByKevinZapata]

I don’t know if I have mast cells disorder or what I do know I have or have had Bartonella coinfection to Lyme disease and Ehrlichia anyways I’ve been consuming almond milk protein powder and blueberries in my morning shake today I decided to put celery in it as well 2 sticks and about an hour later at the gym I felt like I was going to pass out my heart was racing I got a little itchy you seem to be like an allergic reaction or something or maybe it was oxalates, I need help I also have celiac disease I think I need to be on a Low histamine and low oxalate diet anyone please help

[@Teenibash1969]

At 54 I follow carnivore and zero oxylate diet. My skin is amazing.

[@jiujitsukitty9319]

Loooooooooove carnivore diet/ life style...I miss my roasted cabbage and cauliflower however after a while the craving or desire for them leaves. You can morally eat a carnivore diet. Source your meat/eggs, etc organically and humanely. PS: every vegan I know looks like a guant cancer patient...not trying to be rude but they look awful, especially the men that try and maintain it long term. It seems like a way to slowly, over time starve yourself and reek hormonal havoc on your body...

[@Muskar2]

I am a 29yo male. And I've been eating WFPB vegan for 1½ years and never felt or looked better, imo. I'm as athletic as ever and have an abundance of energy when I exercise or work out. I haven't tried a ketogenic diet, but today I discovered Sten Ekberg and Sally Norton and they made me open to the possibility that animal foods aren't necessarily the root cause of the many ills I've read them to be, as long as they're whole foods and you pair it with a low carb intake. I'll have to do a lot more research before giving it a try though, since the thought of the smell of saturated fat seems pretty disgusting to me at the moment. Which may be because of oxalate toxicity, I have no idea frankly - and no health professionals nearby to council about it. I'm neither keen on being in a constant state of ketosis - sounds pretty awful and hard to sustain, on the surface. Either way, I am actually commenting because I see so many comments like yours saying you know a lot of vegans who look awful and unhealthy. I've never seen a WFPB vegan who isn't (near) athletic - and I've also seen carnivore advocates who look very unhealthy to me (particularly permanently loose skin at an early age) - and nobody ever explains what they think of as unhealthy looking, so it seems kinda pointlessly rude to make those comments, even though you claim you aren't trying to be. But frankly, I don't really understand the need for this demonizing. Both WFPB vegans and ketogenic eaters are typically very healthy compared to the average person. They share a common passion for health and preventing diseases. So what I don't get is why so many have such a strong urge to try to put down other healthy people, when I think we should really just be sharing information, and possibly even uniting in inspiring others to see the benefits of eating healthy to those who don't. That's the way I see it anyway.

[@Magnulus76]

Why aren't you eating cabbage and cauliflower? There's nothing that's really unhealthy about those choices. Excess protein will wreck your kidneys far more than eating cabbage or cauliflower ever could.

[@MsAnchovey]

Does taking NASIDS cause more damage from oxalates. I've heard something like that. I guess NSAIDS mess up the kidneys and liver which then make it more difficult to get rid of oxalates? I have chronic pain possibly in part, from high oxalate consumption so it's difficult to not take pain killers while I'm healing from oxalate poisoning. Stuck in rock and hard place.

[@terraflow__bryanburdo4547]

Go carnivore so that you are getting all your bioavailable nutrients. Also lots of sardines, mackerel and cod liver for omega 3, and bone broth for collage, glucosmine and chondroitin (try those as supps for joint pain). Also exercise as much throughout the day as feels healthy.

[@MsAnchovey]

@@terraflow__bryanburdo4547 Do you know about oxalates? Thanks for your comment but it didnt answer my question. I already do all those you mentioned and this isnt like inflammation type pain. Its different. But thanks

[@frotzey1]

Thank you! Such sensible info. I have actually struggled with weight gain since I went low oxalate? Thank you for your positive approach and the list of healthy things ( greens ) to eat. I have asked two dietitians for a safe list and neither of them could deliver. I think I am afraid to eat anything. And honestly the list are very confusing. On one list it will say sweet potatoes are a replacement for potatoes on another they are high oxalate. I saw hemp seeds on both high and low list as well. Do you have a low oxalates list of things that are safe to consume?

[@medini2]

I don't understand why weight gain since going low oxalate. That does not make sense at all. There is some other reason for the weight gain.

[@disturbed1013]

Try keto/carnivore diet

[@vancouveride]

Didn't our species almost die out at one point? How good was our pre-ag diet really?

[@Ghryst]

during the ice age? when the only thing available to eat was a few weedy stumps sticking out of the snow? yea it did

[@miguelangelbueno6897]

Is there a complete and reliable list of oxalate content in foods?

[@jennielunn2226]

Miguel Angel Bueno I found this list. Drcherylkasdorf.com. Cheers

[@ValerieJungck]

@Sirius White I ordered this list through her website but it never arrived, nor any evidence that I ordered. Have sent two emails asking for the material paid for. Not sure people ordering the list through her website will ever get it, but I hope so. She does have a statement about the issue, but a month later, nothing has come through.

[@LTPottenger]

One more thing to worry about.

[@plukz4556]

Cacao- is it high I like to add it to my raw milk for a treat?

[@medini2]

Do you know lexapro has oxalates and crosses the blood brain barrier and makes major brain changes almost instantly?

[@MaryOKC]

Cystic fibrosis comes to mind

[@Ma_rkw589]

For years I have had subtle pain all over my body, completely undiagnosed. I am about to embark on a carnivore diet so we shall see what happens

[@annabellahayes3227]

You have mentioned something about gut health issues My grandson is 3 months old and we have changed his formulas 3 times to just about any type of formula that's out there from Similac to soy and poor baby still vomits it up he was diagnosed with GERD or heartburn how can a baby have that at 3 months of age what is he consuming that wood cause that and do you have a better suggestion of what we can give him instead of a formula I am sure that the formulas aren't the best thing to give them either He's also constipated Dr seems to think that he is dehydrated and all kinds of things like that are happening to this poor baby what do you suggest? 🤔 I also heard that goat's milk could be helpful is that true? Please help us figure out what's going on with this child 😱 🙏👍 Thank you so much.

[@BenHutchison]

While Sally deserves credit and recognition for highlighting this issue, the talk has an alarmist tone and yet is notably lacking in actionable advice, or systematic data on dietary sources of oxalate.

[@leonienolan511]

Dark chocolate everyday 😢. I'm addicted to it and believed it heatly as 85%

[@hangulphoo]

Outside of a couple case reports, presents zero data that dietary oxalate intake has any bearing on pathologic manifestation of calcium oxalate. Am I missing something?

[@Thomaslinqvist2]

yes me too i am confused becausbody make oksalat %60 %20 _40 come from foods

[@stevenalcorn3460]

Could OXALIC ACID be the cause of Diabetes type 2 (oxalates in the liver), fibromyalgia, kidney stones, and gout (uric acid +oxalates). VITAMIN D3 (50ng/ml) + Chromium makes an enzyme called oxalic acid reductase that converts oxalic acid to lactic acid. Metformin causes lactic acidosis as a result of chelating oxalates to oxalic acid (then in turn gets converted to lactic acid by methylation.)They should try at least 4000 IU vitamin and add chromium. Most enzymes and proteins made by vitamin D3 hormone upregulation are at the vitamin D3 blood level @50ng/ml eg. glutamylcysteine ligase. Metformin and citrate chelate oxalates can be determined by test tube studies in calcium oxalate. They should try vitamin D3 (4,000 IU) and chromium. Chromium is expected to be deficient as a porphyria (co-porphyrin-1)develops in the autistic that have high oxalic acid levels and low vitamin D3 status based on the lack of glutathione which removes heavy metals from the body. They should try chromium 200 mcg along with the D3 to remove oxalic acid by converting it to lactic acid. It would make for a very interesting study to gauge the porphyria (co-porphyrin-1) in type 2 diabetics? I have been doing this for people for 9 years now. I am telling them to go to their physician and see if they want to monitor their vitamin D3 level along with getting chromium in their diet. I tell them the first time they take vitamin D3, calcium citrate and chromium to expect leg cramps or diarrhea due to the production of lactic production. Everyone who has followed through this process of taking vitamin D3 up to 50 ng/ml blood level along with getting chromium are no longer diabetic. Some even said thank you for the heads up on the lactic acid buildup and for helping them with their diabetes. I have no lab once I discovered the link between autism and diabetes is oxalic acid and that there is one porphyria in the autistic is elevated. I reasoned that chromium was the atom at the center of the porphyrin ring for an enzyme that converts oxalic acid to lactic acid as oxalic acid levels are increased in autism, fibromyalgia, gout, and kidney stones (these comorbidities are elevated in type 2 diabetes . RAR receptor (vitamin A or (pio)/ (ros)glitazone) is also linked as the vitamin D receptor is associated with vitamin A expression vector. Tumor necrosis factor is also controlled by vitamin D3 levels as a repression @ 50ng/ml. I have been nondiabetic for over nine years now. The paleo diet also works for type 2 diabetes because the liver is rich in chromium (Kale, egg yolks)and vitamin D3.

[@medini2]

That is very interesting! Do you have any more info? This is Big. But if you get leg cramps from just taking calcium citrate with meals (recommended to bind oxalates so that they will be excreted thru the alimentary canal, ..then would adding chromium and d3 create even more problems, with lactic acid, initially?)

[@stevenalcorn3460]

@@medini2 Oxalates I believe cause more problems than just kidney stones. All oxalate diseases are on the rise as our diets become rich in oxalates. Low oxalate diets resolve many chronic diseases and today people are staying indoors rather than going outside to get vitamin D3. So two things we are doing wrong is eating too many oxalates and having a low vitamin D3 status.

[@dissonantiacognitiva7438]

Impressive muscle tone

[@ZenithAstrology]

Dissonantia Cognitiva I’m a man and scared to wrestle sally..

[@terraflow__bryanburdo4547]

@@ZenithAstrology She doesn't skip arm day!

[@ArtByKevinZapata]

What to eat??

[@thalesnemo2841]

Meats,eggs, fish,cheeses.

[@ArtByKevinZapata]

@@thalesnemo2841 what about information from cheese and histamine from fish meats and egg whites?

[@glynrowson]

Is there a upto date list anywhere are oats high oxalate foods

[@jennielunn2226]

Glyn Rowson hi, I got a list from drcherylkasdorf.com. Cheers

[@MK8alt]

I need help im in so much pain. I took niacine it seems to trigger oxalates reaction. I want to get the probiotic oxalobacter but its proving impossible

[@MK8alt]

@@westondavey4871 so my understanding is that certain other probiotics may be helpful. The infant one. Is the one I remember but there's a bunch.

[@tinymetaltrees]

Damn it! I was eating mixed nuts. WTF can I eat? Every damn thing is poison!

[@Emkfry8020]

Meat, eggs, animal fat!

[@tinymetaltrees]

Mary K Frymire lol, yeah, I’m doing much better since I wrote that comment. The best my guts have been in 20 years! It only took a few days of cutting back to notice dramatic improvements. I have not needed to go total carnivore but I’m probably around 90-95%. I make sure to get a little bit on purpose to avoid “dumping”, in the form of sauces and seasonings and a little morning coffee. Now, I eat beef jerky instead of nuts for snacking. My freezer is full of meat. I’m really glad I watched this video!

[@justsayin5048]

Sirius White I’m on a liquid diet because I have a swallowing disorder. I cannot physically swallow meat or other solids. Wtf do I eat? I have been surviving off blended soups (from a variety of ingredients) and veggie/fruit shakes. I’ve been considering just incorporating animal fats like lard, ghee, etc. into my meals since I still consume dairy products. I avoid grains altogether and processed foods aren’t a problem since I can’t eat them.

[@andrei8077]

Where the reduction of oxalates is wise, it's also important to look out for Goitrogens. Plants seem to be unnatural food source for Humans.

[@frankschaeffer8153]

Well, that's strange because virtually all human populations in known history - including and especially those who displayed excellent health and longevity - have lived on plants, mostly for the vast majority of their caloric intake. There are a few examples of small groups that could not due to the environment they would live in.

[@andrei8077]

By mentioning calories in your stance, clearly shows that you have no idea what you're talking about.

[@frankschaeffer8153]

@@andrei8077 ah so you don't have a reply and instead you write cryptic nonsense implying you know things when you don't? Sure, that's one easy way out.

[@andrei8077]

You didn't address my initial comment. Onus is on you to provide the evidence.

[@frankschaeffer8153]

@@andrei8077 That's a joke, right? There's no evidence for a single human population that has not eaten plants. I don't need to prove common knowledge vs. your fantasy world claim that what all humans have eaten is somehow unnatural for them.

[@epiphoney]

I think the audience there was soiling their pants during this talk, lol. I wish she did another talk about doing the low oxalate diet. I used to take Rhonda Patrick's smoothie every day. Sally didn’t even go into vitamin c overdosing.

[@justlookattheflowers4239]

I think we probably used to just eat meat and dairy and use plants for medicinal reasons only.

[@thalesnemo2841]

Hear, Hear!

[@mrmalone28]

All right folks. I think it’s time to JUST STOP EATING! Everything I eat turns to shit.

[@brianzell99]

I wonder what the antidote is for oxalates?

[@abssnipes]

my take on it is intermittent fasting to detox naturally

[@nabila9149]

I remember her saying something about consuming calcium.

[@tslilbearshoppe9870]

carnavore diet....safest bet.

[@Muskar2]

How so? There's very little data on the carnivore diet, and it is unprecedented in human history. Humans were never built for food abundance and there's a big difference between thriving for a few decades and maximizing healthy life years. The latter is not something our body is optimized for - like all other living beings we're optimized for avoiding extinction, i.e. thriving until we reproduce and finish nurturing our off-spring. So in a sense, every year after ~50 years of age is just a bonus.

[@tslilbearshoppe9870]

Muskar idk i do know i had no pain, no stomach issues, no gas and i lost inches. Its just very boring and hard to stick to because of it

[@Muskar2]

@@tslilbearshoppe9870 Lots of different diets can provide you short-term benefits like that. But I'm glad it helped you. I know first-hand that weight loss can be a success in itself. If it's boring then it's probably just a stepping stone to your next thing. Stay healthy.

[@tslilbearshoppe9870]

Muskar u too

[@kalkeikuu]

What if we have a oxalate and histamine sensitivities together? Then what do we eat?

[@TerriblePerfection]

That's where I am. Eat very little now, and I do miss the variety, but I can't argue that I don't feel good eating meat. I do.

[@Thomaslinqvist2]

@@TerriblePerfection beacuse realy healty come from variety of foods. but this topic oxalate make confused. tehre is so much studie. so how can sally says like that still that veggies are bad

[@TerriblePerfection]

@@Thomaslinqvist2 I think you have to make your own decisions based on what your body tells you. I have recently added back some dark chocolate to my diet without ill effects, but too many nuts will give me a stomach ache. The body is wise, we just need to listen.

[@Thomaslinqvist2]

@@TerriblePerfection i never got problem from anyfoods.just except for fish and mushroom. idont have stomacache but so much movement.thanks back dear

[@metelomaniac]

that four percent of what you're eating is being retained in *tissues* left behind causing *issues* 19:15

[@qwertyqaz2227]

Then there is this set of alternative facts. "The staple foods in a traditional Okinawan diet are ( 2 ): Vegetables (58-60%): sweet potato (orange and purple), seaweed, kelp, bamboo shoots, daikon radish, bitter melon, cabbage, carrots, Chinese okra, pumpkin, and green papaya. Grains (33%): millet, wheat, rice, and noodles." heard that they ate almost nothing but sweet potatoes which by the way are very high in oxalates according to sources I've looked at..

[@jenrim]

@David Chaplin It's not rubbish. Sadly it's changing because of younger people opting for an American type diet, and it shows in an increase in health issues and a decrease in life expectancy.

[@iamsarvajeet]

What about fermenting cabbage or beets?

[@barblacy619]

Cabbage is low oxalate, fermented is good for gut biome. Beets high oxalates I’d avoid like the plague I was oxalate poisoned. Still dump periodically but boy do I feel so much better. Now I’m meat based with a few pickles and sauerkraut

[@MrZebratattoo]

How would I know which turmeric powder is "isolated extract tumeric"? Sally Norton mentioned that is the only kind that is safe re oxalate

[@patriciawalters6778]

No turmeric powder. Only something labeled and sold as isolated turmeric extract. But you dont need antioxidants if you eat an animal based diet.

[@curiousnook6358]

I figured out the oxalate content of the “joint formula” whole root turmeric supplement my husband was taking. 3,000 mg! That’s not including the black pepper and ginger. In one tiny capsule! When I started learning about oxalates, he was skeptical, but he stopped taking the supplement, his chronic shoulder pain was a lot less severe the very next day. The next day he threw out the almonds and is now paying attention.😂

[@violinsheetmusicblog]

Fast food is low in oxalates

[@qwertyqaz2227]

Wow. Bye bye dark chocolate, beloved cashews, vitamin E rich almonds. I thought my homemade tumeric capsules were reducing inflammation... And have been eating cabbage, kale, etc with cumin to spice it up. I do drink a lot of fresh squeezed lemon in water.

[@martok2008]

Why does she categorize a normal meal in the range of 150/200 mg of oxalate? Isn't the human body with normal GI/kidney function able to handle more than that? Since most foods with magnesium for example come with high levels of oxalate, it seems we should be naturally equipped to handle higher levels than that (haven't done a strict calculation).

[@martok2008]

@Sirius White Right, and she mentioned that she thinks supplementing magnesium is the way to go, either as the norm or just in some people. It shouldn't be the norm, or we don't really need magnesium. Did she justified the number that she arrived on oxalate intake? If we have ways to detoxify oxalate in the long run, then maybe surpassing that limit isn't that bad. Since I don't know much about chemistry/biology but isn't oxalate that binds to minerals eaten by bacteria in the gut? meaning it doesn't stuck in the body. It would be also interesting to look at long term vegans and their diet, cause while some might show symptoms of oxalate build up, It seems most or many of them are just fine.

[@Thomaslinqvist2]

​@Sirius White

[@Thomaslinqvist2]

@Sirius White ok if carnivor diet is healty. then why all studies show that plant rich diet is healtiest.i dont say plant base.i say plant rich.i read lots of books of doctors all years.. and the best doctor recommd plant rich diet. like tim spector, dr gundry dr mark hyman dr david perlmmtr dr mercole.pls let me show me what u think like that after all studies.i dont wanna be opposite to you just wonder

[@johnend8171]

Its about AWARENESS!!!

[@MsAnchovey]

And then action!

[@bettyforwick1646]

I love your necklace. What are the different gems on it?

[@todo8328]

“So... plants can maim”

[@colonyofcellsiamamachine6175]

If worried about oxalates in plants, can eat greens with lower oxalates like kale, bok choy, collard, turnip green, mustard green.

[@birgittabirgersdatter8082]

colonyofcells iamamachine better yet, just ignore plants altogether.

[@colonyofcellsiamamachine6175]

Mainstream science consensus says eating plants is healthy.

[@darkapothecary4116]

@@colonyofcellsiamamachine6175 mainstream doesn't care for health they just sell you stuff. They would try to convince you to drink bleach if they got sponicered enough. P.s kale is one of the worst greens to eat.

[@colonyofcellsiamamachine6175]

@@darkapothecary4116, If you reject mainstream science consensus, you can pretty much prove any pet theory and conspiracy theories via cherry picking including flat earth, no evolution, no global warming, human extinction in less than 5 years, ice age is coming soon, drinking coconut oil will lead to long life, chewing on butter will lead to long life, etc.

[@darkapothecary4116]

@@colonyofcellsiamamachine6175 nope but a lot of hands especially in the nutrition industry are in your wallet. By all means fallow their advise. Personally I feel more than a little better after ditching that crap science that is cherry picked studies lol

[@kyliefan7]

NOT TRUE thin and muscular people are sick too!! That is our brainwashing that thin and muscular is healthy and fat is unhealthy. Some fat people are of good health. Sally will say that she had never been overweight or out of shape even though she was sick.

[@imthewholeman9126]

Just eat meat ya weirdos. geez she went on and on about toxic plants and they were all like “what kinda of human meddling can I do to still eat that shit”.

[@j.rebekah8605]

It's difficult when these speakers are pressed for time. Less speakers more information please.

[@inrussian9944]

This Is Downright Ridiculous! What On Earth Are We Supposed To Ear?

[@ZenithAstrology]

Chia Pet tame!

[@danbujor5991]

You have to do at least 24 hour week dry fast to clean, rest and rebuild the digestion. Animal products are more toxic. So have days without.

[@damonbehnke5817]

Wow 🤯

[@epiphoney]

Sally looks ready to kick some oxalate ass.

[@neoanderson367]

Wow I had no idea Sally was such a hottie!

[@ZenithAstrology]

Michael Budinger What about Avacado oil? Or Sunflower oil?

[@terraflow__bryanburdo4547]

@@ZenithAstrology Definitely not sunflower, loaded with linoleic acid.

[@ZenithAstrology]

Freestyle Thanks

[@ZenithAstrology]

It strangely sat there too. I could feel to be cautious using it.. Avacado I been using like crazy. Sunflower I was gonna give a try if I ran out of Avacado oil.