AHS17 Lost Seasonality and Overconsumption of Plants: Risking Oxalate Toxicity - Sally Norton

[@susans7091]

Love some of these old videos of Sally Norton and oxalates. She is so clear, and is willing to admit when she doesn't know.

[@olgakuchukov6981]

I have been skipping over the older, before the book and consequent research, videos. But I’ve been mistaken in doing so! She’s a great speaker and just as fired up then as now and in between. Cheers.

[@kdhoward83]

Take a look at her skin, her muscle tone.. she’s doing something right.

[@DevinDTV]

you aren't going to get muscle from your diet. but yes she has very good skin

[@Thomaslinqvist2]

@GROID-19 gym :DD

[@Thomaslinqvist2]

@GROID-19 and yes together but it doesnt mean we must eat full meat

[@DevinDTV]

@GROID-19 resistance training. doesn't matter how good your diet is, you aren't going to put on muscle without some form of training. protein is also required of course, but that's beside the point. her muscle tone says absolutely nothing about whether "she's doing something right" in regards to diet, besides getting as much protein as any other non-impoverished modern human edit: also anabolic steroids can build you muscle without even training, but yeah point stands

[@lorilaw2604]

I sit here and look at her beautiful arms and you guys talk about them. I'd like to buy a pair somewhere 👍🤷 I do not like to show my arms I wish they looked like hers.

[@disenfranchisedrealist4433]

Someone with the integrity to admit that she doesn't have all the answers. To me, this says we should seriously listen to the ones she does have.

[@elidrissii]

Fully agree. The humility to admit one's limitations is usually a sign that you can trust whatever is being said with confidence.

[@grzegorz16100]

That's the thing! Most people on KZbin know everything. Some healt business you tubers know what causes baldness and gray hair! First off all thy are quite often bald and grey and second why don't they go and treat baldness - they would be millionaires.

[@Iliek]

I like how this woman speaks. She's deliberate and sincere. Many presenters speak non-stop and are annoying to listen to after a while, but not her.

[@midwestribeye7820]

Sally is intelligent and articulate. Plus, the lady has guns!💪 I always enjoy her lectures.

[@spence1501]

She sure does

[@BRathjens51]

I'm just sitting here and shaking my head. It's a wonder I'm still alive. I have a lot to eliminate on my diet according to this woman.

[@robinpclarke]

Do remind us to wish you best on your 100th birthday!

[@kjn68i]

I love to see an interview between Sally K Norton and Dr Eric Berg

[@danieltrickey9285]

And Dr. Gundry.

[@Percyfaith7]

And Dr. Jack Kruse. Well may be challenging as he is into physics not just biology .... Example of prespective FB JK 9 19 20 Oxalate Thiamine issues facebook.com/drjackkruse/posts/3815907608473565 Do you think oxalate issues are a food issue or might they be linked to your poo environment choices around the electromagnetic spectrum?

[@tiptoptelugus5801]

Y because they contrast in terms of veggies

[@chantellucky4565]

@@bluebirdhill1 Just wondering… 7 to 10 cups of low oxalate veg per day, 7 days a week, 30 days a month and so on….still all adds up to a steady uptake of continuation of oxalate culmination in the body? I wish dr Eric B has a video of this issue.

[@LastDays7]

Glad I found these resources. I tested positive for high oxalates last year. The ND said to avoid spinach and take some calcium citrate with meals. I didn't think much of it until I ended up in the emergency room this week. The staff could not diagnose my problem. I only put it together after reviewing your material. Cutting out spinach is not enough! I must have had severe oxalates in 2017-2018 as I experienced severe neuropathy and nerve pain. I switch to "super-foods" during that time.

[@disturbed1013]

Try keto/carnivore

[@hugoapresname]

Her book is out since End of 2022 and I highly recommend it! Sally K Norton Toxic Superfoods (How to: Low Oxalate Diet)

[@toni4729]

Oh wow, I've been waiting for someone like you to speak for 25 years.

[@HearturMind]

My dog stole a stuffed grape leaf off the table at a party and almost died. Had all the toxic reactions and even bled when trying to Pooh. It was horrible. I am grateful though because it set me on a path to look at these toxins in vegetables. It is a lot to process, but we need to. The “healthy and plant based diet” is not necessarily so good long term.

[@mkswagner]

I had a professor in the 90’s in college in toxicology class who mentioned oxalates (along with a plethora of other defensive plant compounds) as potentially harmful to humans in quantity. I mainly just avoided spinach and some night shades, save tomato, because I like it. Anyway, avoiding sugar for years I got sucked into the other “super foods” - mainly almond, turmeric and raspberries in way too high amounts. I still eat from the plant kingdom, but no lectin and in very small portions and from the low oxalate groups. She is spot on. Paleolithic man was not eating almond flour pancakes with added turmeric and covered in a cup of raspberries (like I was). Eventually I will add some things like raspberries back, but mainly in season and in small amounts.

[@tender-2285]

If the plant is in season, it has lower oxylate?

[@Sydneywide1]

@@tender-2285 No. but you would tend to eat more of it.

[@beacomrie343]

I definitely think some people are more sensitive to high oxalate foods. When I went Paleo a few years ago and started eating berries, nuts , dark chocolate , sweet potatoes etc. I started becoming very stiff and achey. It was very scary. After a lot of research and found out about oxalates I knew it was the problem. Stopped eating them and stiffness went away. Binged on some nuts a couple years later and could barely move the next day. I've loosened up the past few months on some nuts and potatoes and cocoa powder and my knees came up stiff. So back to very low oxalate diet. My muscles and joints are very sensitive to oxalate rich foods. My brother was prone to kidney stones and I told him about oxalates as he liked nuts and chocolate. He hasn't had one since. It's real and could be affecting you and you don't realize it.

[@thelandsavior402]

How are you now? Im going low oxalate diet and i really cant move and had prolong for more than 2 weeks

[@Luis_0619]

@@thelandsavior402 hey, how are you doing? Wishing you a speedy recovery🙂

[@thelandsavior402]

@@Luis_0619 Ey my friend! I had completely healed! Alot better.. still stick with ketovore diet. Thanks for your regards. 😃

[@Luis_0619]

@@thelandsavior402

[@DeepAstrology77]

Glad to see some in Weston Price addressing these issues. I think we need to look further back than a few generations, since many of the plants we eat today either didn't exist just a few thousand years ago, or were much smaller and less sweet.

[@charleslemagne202]

8:12 High Oxalate Foods: Spinach, Beets, Swiss Chard, Potatoe, Sweet Potatoe, Celery; Plantain, Rhubarb, Almonds, Cashews, Pine Nuts, Peanuts, Chia, Sesame, Poppy Seeds, Chocolate, Cocoa, Black, Green and White Tea, Turmeric, Cumin, Cinnamon 26:09 Low Oxalate Greens: Cabbage, Bok Choi, Brussels Sprouts, Arugula, Mâche, Lettuce, Lacinato Kale, Mustard Greens (Water Cress)

[@marykennedysherin3330]

Thanks 🙏🏻

[@gentleoldmoviefan5680]

Helpful list. Thank you for sharing it :) To the High Ox. list, I wonder if Brussels Sprouts could be added? And if Asparagus is Low to Moderate Oxalates? (it seems to me that I've read both; maybe it's a variable food -? ). On a different subject, I've read in a few informal places online that Moringa Leaf (and therefore 'Moringa powdered supplements', which many people use for desired health benefits) is High Oxalate or Very High Oxalate. ~ Do you know if that can be confirmed, through some kind of verifiable semi-authoritative source? I know of a person, friendly, who probably needs to know that she's not doing her health any favors by consuming it regularly. However, I don't have a solid source to refer her to. (so that she can confirm it, for herself) For my own situation, I would like to know definitively about the Oxalates level of: pink grapefruit. It's one food that I haven't been able to drop. Or so it seems for now. Comparatively, I found dark chocolate somewhat easy to quit. My method was to temporarily use *white* chocolate as a "step down" (substitute) for approx. 4 weeks. It had to be a high quality, good tasting brand, of course. Gradually I was able to quit, both chocolates, as a daily habit. Conversely, ... I'm hoping that grapefruit - eating a whole one, every day - isn't too bad in Oxalates. However am willing to accept the truth. Unfortunately, I don't live in a locality where I can easily have access white grapefruit, which I've heard isn't so bad in oxalates. Ideally, I would like to have a choice of which grapefruit to buy. (Citrus is a food I've always loved). Anyone know about the oxalate level of pink grapefruit? -- and a source where I could confirm it, definitively? Thanks.

[@KT-dq5cp]

And it’s in meat too To quote nephrologist (a specialty of adult internal medicine and pediatric medicine that concerns the study of the kidneys, specifically normal kidney function (renal physiology) and kidney disease (renal pathophysiology), the preservation of kidney health, and the treatment of kidney disease, from diet and medication) Dr David Goldfarb MD “ OXALATE METABOLISM COMES FROM EATING ANIMAL PROTEIN,….. from the amino acid prolene - a component of COLLAGEN”

[@The_Conspiracy_Analyst]

plantain is NOT high in oxalate.

[@wingsofeden]

⁠not in meat!

[@FocusEroc]

She asked: Why are we here? Me: Starting questioning my life, universe and life purpose...

[@MalikaBourne]

WOW! Besides learning so very much about oxalates, I finally figured out how the antagonist in my next novel will kill an old professor. Sorrel soup. I was searching for a solution for my disabled son's kidney stones. He has advanced stage MS. The miracle cure diets that people are trying to push on him - well, I may have figured out the culprit. Thank you so very much.

[@kelliekaser6042]

Your education is very important and helpful. I have interstitial cystitis vulvodynia and a bunch of other issues. I’m trying so hard to get the pain to go away and I recently I’m learning that all the spinach and the celery is literally doing more harm. I will share your video and thank you so much for your help

[@koczaioandaniel4014]

An year ago every morning I was eating a green shake, rucola + spinach + almonds, after a few months I start feeling like shit, I didn't know why. After a while a found about plants toxicity and I remove the shake from my diet, the rest of my diet remained the same. In a couple of months I was like new.

[@M13x13M]

Yeah, me too cause I was growing 4 kinds of oxalate greens. Paleo man did not have blenders.

[@Jb-ky1ri]

Did u have the rucola on its on later on to see if ok for you?

[@hankkuya4354]

Thank you. I realize now that I didn’t have what I thought was gout because of the systems of all my joints. Being a 150 lbs male. After blood tests it showed negative and my blood healthy after a month of fasting. In the past 7 years I’ve been monitoring my food choices closely. These days I eat alone.

[@ruthmoore1448]

This is a game changer, thanks Sally.

[@pedinomefaux]

Great presentation. The more we know the better.

[@kvanessaamyann]

THEN WHAT AM I SUPPOSE TO EAT 😭😭😭 I’m trying but the more I know the harder it gets

[@holistic.health]

I'm hungry 😂😂😂😂😂

[@funkydunky6366]

Meat apparently! It's worth a try anyway.

[@holistic.health]

@@funkydunky6366 I've actually done carnivore more than once... I'm usually keto... but carnivore is amazing really... it's just really hard to start and get top the point where you aren't craving stuff

[@karinkeerdo-massa49]

Eggs, bacon, minced meat, steaks, fish, liver - i also drink coffee, have an occasional avocado and 99% dark chocolate. Once you get over carb withdrawal you have kicked the addiction and food is not the poibt of your life. I eat something and I go. I am not consumed by thoughts of food. Not anymore :)

[@holistic.health]

@@karinkeerdo-massa49 then the problem is the oxalates... most of those things are loaded with oxalates.

[@BelindaTN]

Why on earth, did a grown man put a decorative house plant in his mouth?

[@justlookattheflowers4239]

Boys will be boys lol.

[@CottageCupcake]

Probably a dare

[@annamaria1972]

Yeah so weird

[@Vintage606]

Why do any humans put plants in their mouth

[@deadgrassroad]

Anyone else want to give this lady a hug?

[@ZenithAstrology]

deadgrassroad 🤗

[@michaelbennett1218]

🤗

[@karlhungus5554]

Well, maybe not a hug...

[@-Diana469]

Yeah a hug and everything in my refrigerator.

[@LabelMeInfinity]

There is something seriously attractive about this woman to me...

[@taraaboz]

Wow such an eye opening talk! Thank you Sally Norton ❤🙏

[@cristianpiano2170]

I nearly killed myself eating about a pound of spinach a day... was having pure chaos in all my organs and was having the worst/scariest symptoms I’ve ever felt... took 5 months of learning how to eat better to finally go full carnivore..and now I feel BETTER than I did 5-8 years ago! I’m sure eating some veggies here and there won’t kill you but don’t over do it at all.. after watching this video, I now know why my thyroid was shot beyond function... hopefully time will heal that.

[@michael_mathieu_vibrant_health]

I’m writing this nine months after you posted. Wondering how you were doing now?

[@mrazik131]

thinking the same I hope Cristian is ok doing better...?

[@paulnielsen3256]

Impressively informative. Sally is an extremely effective and motivating speaker!

[@cevisuals]

Based on this information presented, it appears to me the only SAFE diet is strict Carnivore... Am I missing something here?

[@nora22000]

Yes. You need to squirt lemon on your spinach as you saute it. Binds the oxalates and neutralizes them.

[@KarenForemanBrown]

you are pretty right - but if you have been eating high ox previously, you might want to taper down towards full carnivore so you don't spark any major dumping episodes.

[@spaceghost8995]

@@nora22000 Yeah right! LMAO. Even if that works, it's moronic. Like I'm sure people had tropical fucking LEMONS just at the ready for this! If I have to neutralize a fucking toxin just to eat something safely, I will simply NOT EAT IT. This is not hard.

[@maudestephens7086]

People are imbalanced. I get sick on lots of food, my stomach is hyper sensitive. Chinese vegetables are great.bok choy, onions,chestnuts, and tropical fruits.i stick to fish and chicken, but sticking to fish. I just need to stick to the diet.

[@benedictvoon812]

Check out this MD Paul Saladino. And he is a pure carnivore with a fact check.

[@SirPraiseSun]

This video is GOLD thank you Sally.

[@1234piano]

Thank you Sally Norton for your informative presentation.

[@TinyFlav]

I will be sharing this video on my Facebook page but sadly I’m sure no one will watch it.

[@jackolinemilne5697]

The one friend that needs it will thank you!

[@terraflow__bryanburdo4547]

Do what is right, not what is popular.

[@curiousnook6358]

It’s all about awareness- at first people reject the truth- remember when people didn’t know about gluten?

[@emmatessier600]

I don't understand how the solution would be to avoid those foods or only use their extracts. That would not reflect a 'natural' diet at all. Root plants have been in our diet since forever. I'm getting the impression that the research is not developed far enough to be taking drastic action. Almost every time someone tries an elimination diet you hear them coming back a few years later with a new problem. For now I'll be sticking to a nice varied diet with a bit of everything, like a food rectangle instead of pyramid.

[@justriley9157]

Any proof to back up your statements ?

[@NessaVibes2024]

She's got nice arms! Aside from her enlightening video. Thankful for her.

[@heidiparkin315]

Greed is what got us where we are today. I am so glad I went carnivore, mind you I have yet to give up my tea but I'm working on it.

[@imstillhere3753]

heidi parkin I agree. I almost died. I can’t believe this,,

[@annamaria1972]

I drink herbal Tea like roobios, menthe , camomille.

[@gentleoldmoviefan5680]

I wonder if tea would be better (i.e., safer) if it were: 1) room temperature, or cold temperature, brewed -- as some delicate tea leaves allow, and 2) loose leaf tea, and not overly processed and put into a tea bag; and 3) not brewed for too long. That way, it seems to me, you'd be getting a gentle extract (a.k.a. "infusion"?), rather than consuming components from the tea leaves which are (more) aggressively stripped from it ... say from over-processing of the tea leaves and then hot-water soaking? As a possible analogy, when harsh solvents are used to extract the desired psycho-active compounds from Kava Kava (plant) root, then it has a much higher content of cytotoxic compounds in the resulting "brew". However, when slightly warm water is used instead, then the amount of cytotoxic compounds resulting (such as certain "kavains", for example) is much less. How the (green) tea is prepared might make a big difference. On the other hand, maybe this is merely wishful thinking on my part :), and regular non-herbal tea is best avoided altogether. I do know that drinking such tea, alongside food or supplements containing the B vitamins, will result in very significant reduction of the body's ability to absorb and use those B vitamins. Therefore, it's important to consume tea separate from such food, by about 2 hours at least, according to Elliot Overton. Maybe other nutrition experts will give a different interval of time, however, ... for minimizing tea's negative effect on nutrient absorption. I hope tea is OK in moderation (???) but will eventually accept whatever the true answer turns out to be . More 'layperson research' is needed, on my part, before I will hopefully find the actual answer. In the meantime, I am trying to limit my (green) tea to one serving per day, and not having it "strong brewed". It's dark chocolate that I'm having a harder time with -- giving up, that is. It's a good way to "mood alter" in the short run, but I suspect it's very unhealthy for me (in the long run). I'd really like to know if Kava Kava has high oxalates. (drinking the traditionally prepared "tea" version of it, that is) I'm afraid it probably does, but haven't been able to confirm it yet.

[@speechgirl36]

Some of those plants listed as low oxalate toxic were the very plants that made me realize that plants were making me sick. I had to eliminate kale and spinach completely. I was eating about 5-7 cups per day in salads but when I cut them out I stopped having horrible cramping and stomach pains. 😬

[@graydonjones6912]

Excellent I've been telling people this and no one cared just bitched about pain

[@nicolehenshaw3930]

I would love to see Sally and Medical medium have convo... that guy is ridiculous and who know how many lives he’s ruining with his oxalate loaded “advice”

[@Jb-ky1ri]

Medical medium speaks with demons and evil spirits that tells him exactly what poisons to people to eat to kill them slowly.. but he loves eat he makes money out if it and the sheeples loves his advice if drinking very bad vegetables like celery,spinach,garlic,coriander, and lectins/oxalate filled potatoes. He solves they half problems while causing half problems in long term

[@wailingrachel9274]

Wow, this woman has got some serious guns. Damn, amazing!

[@hodshonf]

yeah, she's hot

[@Ghryst]

agree'd, i cant stop staring at her "guns" either

[@haidowakumka2103]

Same here. So toned.

[@Ghryst]

also, her arms are pathetic.. thats typical of females though, due to their not doing real jobs where actual work is required.

[@TheseAreMyQuestions]

@@Ghryst Lmfao fucking incel

[@spence1501]

I have eating addiction. I'm hoping it might be the oxalates like the client you mentioned. Hoping this will help me overcome my eating addiction.

[@charleslemagne202]

8:12 Oxalathaltige Lebensmittel: Spinat, Rüben, Mangold, Kartoffel, Süßkartoffel, Sellerie; Wegerich, Rhabarber, Mandeln, Cashewnüsse, Pinienkerne, Erdnüsse, Chia, Sesam, Mohn, Schokolade, Kakao, schwarzer, grüner und weißer Tee, Kurkuma, Kreuzkümmel, Zimt 26:09 Oxalatarme Grüne Gemüse: Kohl, Bok Choi, Rosenkohl, Rucola, Mâche, Salat, Lacinato Kale, Senfgrün (Wasserkresse)

[@mmabagain]

We now have “studies “ proving the efficacy of various diets but all have something in the diet that will harm you. Maybe we should just stop eating all together. ☹️

[@BelindaTN]

I wonder if oxilates are the reason of the recommendations of acids as dressings (vinegar, lemon) do the acids and oils on salads help to process the oxilates?. Does cooking the greens and vegetables help with processing oxilates? I have read that cooked veggies are much easier on the digestive system than raw. I have a lot of research to do.

[@barblacy619]

Get her book or check it out from library, using inter library loan system.

[@KrisVictoria]

So interesting. I try my best to listen to my body when choosing my foods. In the past year I completely stopped eating spinach and stopped turmeric in the past couple months. I was eating a pound of spinach a week and would take turmeric capsules for pain with my period. Now I realize why my body didn’t want those things anymore.

[@sillywilly123]

Sorrel soup though, vile! I feel for that poor man thinking he was helping himself improve and having that be his last meal.

[@sillywilly123]

@Sirius White poor man :( only a few weeks ago I was looking into high inflamation and histamine foods, carrots where in the list, atleast the fiber in the hard form will result in less being absorbed and it will help it leave

[@steveharper879]

I have been consuming dates as my main source of calories the past few months. Apparently I have been ingesting about 3,300 mg of Oxalate per day.... This is new to me and I will have to make a change

[@ZenithAstrology]

Mine was Resces Peanut butter cups. A double whammy!

[@lindabell6954]

Steve Harper best change you can make. It will save your life!

[@incognitotorpedo42]

Steve, you ought to be concerned about the fructose in those dates. Oxalate poisoning is one thing, fatty liver disease is another. Humans are not evolved to live on dates.

[@steveharper879]

Are you sure that fructose in fruit causes fatty liver disease? Personally I find it almost imposible to get my daily calories without eating a high sugar/fruit diet. Unless I spike up on added sugar or oils. The healthiest I ever felt was when I ate daily banana + hemp seed + coconut oil smoothies with a few supplements.

[@jw-vx8im]

@@steveharper879 Hi Steve fructose metabolism in excess does lead to fatty liver. Fructose is metabused in the liver in a vry similar way to alcohol. Not having a crack at you but never in the course of human history have people survived let alone thrive on shakes of plants.

[@patriciawalters6778]

OMG! Look at the definition in her arms! Obviously she is dying from lack of antioxidants! 😂

[@patriciawalters6778]

@Triple M show us yours.

[@karlhungus5554]

@Triple M - Sally was 53 in this video. From your avatar and the contents of your KZbin channel, it seems you're still a child. Report back in 40 years and let us know what you learned. By the way, I'd bet $1,000 Sally could easily whip your ass. Grow up.

[@okieusa3979]

@@karlhungus5554 Thank you

[@08saaid9]

Its coz of many years eating vegan , she is still recovering till today from that

[@Whitewater_and_Wild_Mushrooms]

Awesome. Thanks to you and Sally Norton for sharing this.

[@karenreaves3650]

I am so grateful for your knowledge and experience, thank you. ❤

[@HemanLee]

I just watched a video on the myths of Paleo, now it NO PLANTS. I think I will go on a Coffee diet.

[@KarenForemanBrown]

animal foods for the win. We don't need plants. (apart from coffee)

[@thalesnemo2841]

@@KarenForemanBrown Hat tip!

[@M13x13M]

Should have mentioned the rather unpaleoistic aspect of drinking our food from a blender and having spinach available 12 months year.

[@richardmathews8250]

An arthritis story. A year and a half on strict Keto (eating my dark greens and moderate protein) for one autoimmune disease, off meds for that in 3 months. On methotrexate for my RA still. Manage to taper off a wee bit, but extreme pain in my hands when I tried to go below 12.5mg. After several months of attempts to taper off I began carnivore. After 1 month of carnivore I tried tapering again and was off methotrexate in 2 weeks, no problems. Another week and I had a small kale salad 2 days in a row just to see what happens, 2nd day extreme pain in my hands. Back on carnivore. After another week I tried again, maybe it was just a coincidence, pain returns. So I stay carnivore another couple of months, had an extreme rash for several months, then it disappeared. I've since been able to eat a bit of green veggie but I remain very heavy meat Keto and remain pain free and off all medication.

[@eleanor4759]

Are you familiar with Mikhaila Peterson?

[@richardmathews8250]

@@eleanor4759 I've watched many of her videos, very inspiring.

[@PeopleHealthTru]

34:45. Citrates and pumpkin seed are good. High in oxalates are 6 baby leaves spinach, almond, beet, celery, tea, tumeric, cinnamon 27:14 food list

[@sofiamiliaressis5403]

Oh okay sunflower and pumpkin seeds too?

[@madesozo]

So helpful! Thank you Sally!

[@deborahsalyers4387]

Please give me a website that will directly get me into a list of the oxalate content of all foods. My husband and I are in our 70's and are getting into this after slowly going from Keto which we began January 1 2020 and finally finished off the last vegetables and fruit we had May 13 2020 (today). We've gathered we shouldn't go cold turkey -- probably. Anyway, I'm tired of trying to go through all the websites I'm offered and never finding one that is just a list with all kinds of foods. No preaching. No trying to convince. We're the choir.

[@eileenpeh7942]

kidneystonediet.com/oxalate-list/ Hope this helps!

[@barblacy619]

Buy her book or check it out with inter library loan program.

[@stephenmckay6968]

For kidney stone prevention, the top lifestyle change recommended by urologists seems to be increasing water consumption. Looking through the scientific literature, I've seen it written that 90% of calcium oxalate stones can be prevented if a person drinks 2.5 liters of water per day. Increased water = less concentrated oxalate for the kidneys. I wonder how much simple hydration could reduce the other oxalate-related health problems that Sally mentioned.

[@cyndimanka]

Chia seeds hurt my stomach. I used to make a breakfast smoothie. And every time I did my stomach hurt so bad. I figured out what it was. I did eliminate the Chia but I stopped making them.

[@gaypreator8547]

All of this is mind blowing and so informative … here comes the, however, do not blame Walmart.

[@-Diana469]

True. I think she was just saying how easy all those bad things are to get.

[@aluxbalum]

I discovered Baru nuts checked out their information and stated they where tested for oxalated and where free of them, compared to most other nuts which are full of oxalates. I still eat almonds, walnuts, chia just reduced the amount and make up with Baru nuts which besides being oxalate and highly nutritious they taste amazing as well.

[@MsAnchovey]

You're just playing with fire with gasoline in your fingernails. Good luck with that.

[@terraflow__bryanburdo4547]

Having exotic plant foods shipped from all over the globe is as unethical as it is unhealthy. A dirty secret conveniently overlooked by affluent vegans chomping down their jackfruit, avocados and durian.Hypocrites to the Nth degree.

[@MsAnchovey]

@@terraflow__bryanburdo4547 A typical extremist addictive behavior. Their all right and good and whatever else that doesnt do vegan is all wrong and bad/evil. What can you do.....

[@abc33944]

Some great questions in the Q& A

[@pjjmsn]

Sally, what do you think about lectins? I thought the toxicity problem was lectins, this is the first time I have heard of the dangers of oxalates.

[@DeepAstrology77]

All plants have protective toxins, except for fruits (but the seeds of fruits are still toxic).

[@ItsLoriK]

Both are a problem but oxalates & phytates are what I've looked into recently as they seem more concerning. It seems that macadamia nuts, coconuts, & hemp hearts (shelled hemp seeds) are low in both. These are it when it comes to nuts & seeds that are both low in oxalic acid & phytates.

[@terraflow__bryanburdo4547]

@@ItsLoriK Nuts, seeds and grains are always high in toxins and antinutrients. They are ther to protect the "baby".

[@sarahthomson8183]

Great talk! Thank you. I'm assuming that the oxalate in a Brazil nut will interfere with absorbing the selenium, correct?

[@curiousnook6358]

Has anyone experienced a lot of pushback when you try to educate people on this? I mention that spinach is probably the highest in oxalates and some people almost rip my head off. How dare I say spinach is unhealthy! Hopefully, one day, (Dr. Mercola’s interview w Sally will help tremendously) oxalate awareness will be as common as gluten or lectins, but for now, many people can’t get past the cognitive dissonance that these “super foods” actually causing damage. We have to begin exploring our beliefs. I ask them how they know that spinach is healthy. Is it because we’ve been told over and over that it is? Popeye? “Eat your spinach, eat your vegetables, then you can have dessert”? I, for one, have eaten spinach, but never loved it. I can give that up no problem. The dark chocolate, though..... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[@ThisCharmingBat]

I drank "superfood" shakes (added spinach to most of them) almost daily for 6 months and got so sick. I was as malnourished as a vegan! People freaked out and refused to believe that the shakes were the problem.

[@curiousnook6358]

Leilani What were your symptoms?

[@ThisCharmingBat]

@@curiousnook6358 Exhaustion, palpitations, tachycardia, headaches, dizziness, all sorts of hormone imbalances (cortisol, estrogen, thyroid, etc), asthma-like symptoms, muscle cramps, losing hair (fortunately, I have thick hair - but the amount of hair I was losing still worried me), rough skin on my face...

[@curiousnook6358]

Leilani 😱 how did you figure out it was the shakes you were drinking?

[@ThisCharmingBat]

Curious Nook I srarted learning about anti-nutrients & how bad plants can be for humans then I thought about my shakes. So I researched all the ingredients and stopped drinking the shakes and went carnivore for 4 months.

[@WWG1WGA]

Good information, but is there a place to find what to avoid and what we can eat?

[@maudestephens7086]

Why are some people having spinach smoothies and healing lupus? Cause not everyone is oxalate sensitive? Is this true.

[@yoso585]

Everybody likes Sally.

[@lumay333]

I am on carnivore woe last 6 months and feel great but also have few healt issues which don't resolve as fast as I wish they did. I learnt about oxalates recently and going to make some tweaks to the diet. My family member on standard diet has been suffering from vertigo for many years with bad attacks. No doctor could help her. Whe listening recently to Sally and her talking about crystals I suspect there might be connection as the family member was diagnosed with crystals located in her inner ear which she gets inflamed often. Sally also mentioned that oxalate crystals may form around inflammation sites in our body.

[@dianasa952]

Im going oxalate free , and i no longer have joint pain but i do feel tired :( i heard feeling tired is one of the symthoms going low oxlate.

[@darkapothecary4116]

Not likely it's probably because the drop of carbs if you are avoiding certain foods. Low cab=low glucose and if you don't have good fat burning ability your going to have to develop fat adaption that's all. Basically a transfer from glucose to fat as primary energy source.

[@Peachypooh949]

How are you doing today?

[@OMGaNEWBIE]

@Sirius White - Not easy to find "pasture finished" meat/chicken unless you personally know the farmer as most of them do finish their animals on grains to fatten them up for harvest to get more $$$$. That is a fact!

[@ZenithAstrology]

crystal Silva I’m not tired from oxalate I nap because it’s the only time the itching goes away. ;)

[@randyj508]

Try 600 mg Benfotamine after a meal. Helps convert food to energy.

[@Johneseed]

Its always about getting as much easy money as fast as we can! Every thing every one ever talks about is “Money Based”! Budda spoke once about crazy man as they spend their life and health trying too gather as much gold and riches as they can, then spend all those riches in the last 25% of their lives in agony trying to live!

[@alexbrands5653]

Including a few slides of actual data to support the numerous claims would make this a lot more persuasive.

[@frankschaeffer8153]

Join Trying Low Oxalates on facebook. There is a ton of data on oxalates. On "carnivore" on the other hand their isn't.........

[@ldjt6184]

Ross Bridgeford has an excellent video on oxalates.

[@jw-vx8im]

@@tomr1210 paleo or keto is ok its what actually makes up the diet. You can go low oxalate and do either espec keto. Get into meat it works wonders

[@robinpclarke]

No mention of dietary calciium binding and inhibiting oxalate intake?

[@Hannahkeir]

Ive had chemical sensitivity, mainly antibiotics and artificial scents. I did not realize that was from oxalate toxicity, wich I discovered after ending up in hospital from passing kidney stones, Ecoli , and medication reaction.

[@joebobmarley2854]

I love this presentation and love the work being presented by Sally Norton. Ive learned a lot from her research. However, I wonder what she thinks about phytic acid, and also what she thinks aboit goitregens. I recently stopped avoiding spinach because i realized that eating plain arugula or plain lacinato kale litetally tastes so bad that maybe its my taste buds telling me something. And when I eat plain spinach it tastes super good. I really enjoy the taste of spinach. The taste of arugula and lacinato kale are so bitter it makes me think maybe its my bodies way of telling me its poisonous in some way. I just feel like eating greens plain by themselves should taste good as if you found it in the wild you would want to keep eating it. The lacinato kale is horrible tasting. Arugula isnt as bad. I was avoiding spinach for quite awhile because of the oxalates, and in that time at some point I quit eating peanuts because of phytic acid, lectins, and possible aflotoxins. I quit eating the potatoes for several reasons as well, lectins, the fact theyre a nightshade vegetable, and the oxalates. Removing peanuts and potatoes which are also not in line with my northern european ancestry, just so happened to happen during the time I finally cured my insanely bad digestive problems. I also around the time of removing them both also started eating large salads free of most antinutrients and adding cod liver oil all coincided with this healing of my gut. Now Im wondering how much it possibly had to do with removing peanuts and potatoes more than what I was eating. But I wonder what she thinks about kale being super high in goitregens which prevents the absorption of iodine. Having thyroid disease I tend to be weary of raw kale because of the goitregens. I guess Im going to back to eating Arugula and lettuce salads and go back to avoiding spinach, and ignore my taste buds.

[@neoanderson367]

Why eat salad at all?

[@MsAnchovey]

@@neoanderson367 I know...right? Its maybe a very hard concept to wrap your head around. But stop eating salads....you dont need them. They're more harm than good.

[@neoanderson367]

Totally! I never truly enjoyed salads- just the flavor of the dressings 😂

[@inveritategloria]

Some of us are sensitive to both oxalates and goitrogens, and must eat them in very small quantities infrequently, to avoid overload. I take desiccated thyroid glandular in small quantities (1/4 of a capsule) and it helps with goitrogens. As for kidneys, the best foods are plants that handle water: melons, courgettes. Those are a problem for those sensitive to sodium/ potassium balance...who need to sprinkle them with salt, or eat salty foods before or after to compensate. In general, any single (genetic or acquired) imbalance will always lead to several other imbalances. In Chinese traditional medicine this problem is known as "knotty problem". In a tight bundle, if one tries to straighten out one knot, several others tighten.

[@andyhandprint2549]

The dressing of course.

[@chiledoug]

I have a question maybe someone could answer..Does Kratom contain oxalates. I have seen enough about it to make me curious there is some info out there

[@carmcam1]

matcha is difficult to give up.

[@majrovits4902]

It is a close relative of coffee its in the same family but im not sure its hard to know whos telling correct info these days. I take it regularly and if it dose then the pain killing effects keep you from noticing much oxolate pain. I still feel it though when I eat swiss chard but dont seem to feel any pain even after just taking kratom and it wears off so good chance its ok.

[@gentleoldmoviefan5680]

Good question. I'm wondering the same thing about Kava (a.k.a. Kava Kava tea). I would love to find a real answer about that. Kava is in the pepper family of plants, I believe. And users of it typically drink a lot of sediment, which comes from ground up root of the plant, in the resulting"brew" of traditionally prepared Kava. I think White Kratom is the most potent, so maybe it would help to take that form of it -- to change the ratio of "effect" to "amount of oxalates (within it)" more in your favor. I'm concerned that both Kava and Kratom will not be studied (researched) to the extent deserved, because they are considered "niche" things to do. They are associated with "recreation" and drug seeking thrills, in the popular imagination, more so than pain relief. Will any funded and formal research, therefore, be done to truly get to the bottom of this question? I sure hope so, but I'm not going to hold my breath about it. Raphides might exist in these 2 types of plants, or else the more soluble type of oxalates, which apparently can do just as much harm (over the long run) to our health.

[@BenHutchison]

While Sally deserves credit and recognition for highlighting this issue, the talk has an alarmist tone and yet is notably lacking in actionable advice, or systematic data on dietary sources of oxalate.

[@ArtByKevinZapata]

I don’t know if I have mast cells disorder or what I do know I have or have had Bartonella coinfection to Lyme disease and Ehrlichia anyways I’ve been consuming almond milk protein powder and blueberries in my morning shake today I decided to put celery in it as well 2 sticks and about an hour later at the gym I felt like I was going to pass out my heart was racing I got a little itchy you seem to be like an allergic reaction or something or maybe it was oxalates, I need help I also have celiac disease I think I need to be on a Low histamine and low oxalate diet anyone please help

[@weigu7640]

I have oxalate crystal affected my skin and feeling really painful, used to drink green tea and almond milk, ate large spinach salads, kale, beets.

[@annabellahayes3227]

You have mentioned something about gut health issues My grandson is 3 months old and we have changed his formulas 3 times to just about any type of formula that's out there from Similac to soy and poor baby still vomits it up he was diagnosed with GERD or heartburn how can a baby have that at 3 months of age what is he consuming that wood cause that and do you have a better suggestion of what we can give him instead of a formula I am sure that the formulas aren't the best thing to give them either He's also constipated Dr seems to think that he is dehydrated and all kinds of things like that are happening to this poor baby what do you suggest? 🤔 I also heard that goat's milk could be helpful is that true? Please help us figure out what's going on with this child 😱 🙏👍 Thank you so much.

[@brandensingletary18]

🤔 first and foremost I'm writing this as I watch this video truth be told my opinions May differ after doing the legwork and watching the whole thing but I'm open to ideas(which depending on the situation,can be a bad thing)but i am just trying to find balance and this from a 500 pound black man I've carried the weight and baggage physically and emotionally as well as mentality but I lost close to 50 pounds(was 558 to 516-513 or so)from September to now I've struggled and shrugged off my own feelings(the word shrugged I used happens to very ironic word for me to be using because of my pen name which is Atlas(what's in a name,but it damn sure isn't from that book)i've shrugged off my own feelings and own self worth and health for that matter. I'm just trying to find balance.

[@Lindabraggketovore]

branden singletary don’t give up and do as best you can. I started Carnivore and I love it. Watch videos from Butter Bob Briggs. He was over 300 pounds and has a video Butter made my pants fall off. I’ve followed him and Dr. Ken Berry. Great information from both. God bless and good luck.

[@yvonneclem351]

You are off on to a good start losing 50 pounds! Watch the videos by Dr. Ken D Berry, Dr. Jason Fung on intermittent fasting and diabetes, Dr. Nadir Ali on the role of cholesterol in the body. What I really like about these doctors is they all followed standard SAD, AHA, and ADA guidelines, got fatter, and experienced the issues that so many do. They started researching and experimenting and saw the difference that Keto and carnivore made in their lives. When a board certified GP (Berry), nephrologist (Fung), and cardiologist (Ali) start putting their patients on this way of eating then make videos or write books, to me that is pretty powerful. They are saying they are willing to risk their livelihood and threat of malpractice to give their patients the power to heal themselves with something as simple as what they eat versus handing them another 2 or 3 prescriptions that do nothing to improve their patients’ health. If you decide to give carnivore a go, watch some of Amber Hearn’s videos. Ivor Cummings and Dave Feldman get into the science behind Keto and Carnivore. Dave is literally his own lab rats and tests and charts day in and day out to show what happens in his body on Keto and Carnivore. Watch the Keto and carnivore conference videos. There are so many more out there I didn’t name. I went from strict Keto to Carnivore in June (now 8/30) and haven’t looked back. I have lost almost 42 pounds in that time, with another 80 to go to meet insurance table weights. My allergies are 99.9% gone, sleep better, more energy, better moods. I think the amount of dairy I was eating along with the swerve and other substitute sweeteners had me stalled out. It is so much simpler planning carnivore meals versus Keto. And my wallet is happier! I usually eat one meal a day because I just don’t get that hungry any more, and my body tells me when I’m getting enough fat versus protein. I don’t get cravings for sugar or junk food. I can even watch shows on the food network without rummaging in the kitchen🤣. And it doesn’t bother me to be eating with friends or family who are eating my old “favorites” or order desert. Just doesn’t sound appetizing anymore. Don’t give up, because you have already made progress. The best thing to do is try Keto for 3 months and see how you do, then transition to Carnivore and try it for a minimum of 6 weeks and compare how you do. Maybe what benefits you the most will be mixing the two styles. It’s your body and your science experiment. Whatever you end up doing, I wish you much success.

[@MsAnchovey]

@@yvonneclem351 Thanks for all your info. ♡♡♡

[@spaceghost8995]

Forget about "balance". It is a meaningless concept. You are fat. You should be eating extreme low carb with ZERO grains, fruits or sugars.

[@okieusa3979]

I sincerely hope you are keeping the good fight. Dr Robert Lustig, The Skinny on Obesity, helped me

[@veroniquefrance3903]

If calcium citrate helps eliminates and stop oxalates growing in the body then maybe a high oxalate food like spinach, which also has high levels of calcium citrate, is not as bad as a lower oxatale veg with no calcium citrate?

[@barblacy619]

Take it from me, spinach is poison Read her book

[@no-3607]

But what about hormesis? Dose makes poison? I'm not trying to troll I'm keeping a open mind to all sides! I listen to Ken Berry but I also listen to Dr. McDougal and the vegan doctor's!

[@terraflow__bryanburdo4547]

Don't listen to MacDougall, he is a quack with dementia. Hormesis is overrated. Go carnivore and eliminate the poisons first, then reintroduce as tolerated. Drs. Paul Saladino. Paul Mason and Shawn Baker are good as well.

[@MsAnchovey]

Does taking NASIDS cause more damage from oxalates. I've heard something like that. I guess NSAIDS mess up the kidneys and liver which then make it more difficult to get rid of oxalates? I have chronic pain possibly in part, from high oxalate consumption so it's difficult to not take pain killers while I'm healing from oxalate poisoning. Stuck in rock and hard place.

[@terraflow__bryanburdo4547]

Go carnivore so that you are getting all your bioavailable nutrients. Also lots of sardines, mackerel and cod liver for omega 3, and bone broth for collage, glucosmine and chondroitin (try those as supps for joint pain). Also exercise as much throughout the day as feels healthy.

[@MsAnchovey]

@@terraflow__bryanburdo4547 Do you know about oxalates? Thanks for your comment but it didnt answer my question. I already do all those you mentioned and this isnt like inflammation type pain. Its different. But thanks

[@magma9138]

BRAVO! Thank you for sharing this...

[@frotzey1]

Thank you! Such sensible info. I have actually struggled with weight gain since I went low oxalate? Thank you for your positive approach and the list of healthy things ( greens ) to eat. I have asked two dietitians for a safe list and neither of them could deliver. I think I am afraid to eat anything. And honestly the list are very confusing. On one list it will say sweet potatoes are a replacement for potatoes on another they are high oxalate. I saw hemp seeds on both high and low list as well. Do you have a low oxalates list of things that are safe to consume?

[@medini2]

I don't understand why weight gain since going low oxalate. That does not make sense at all. There is some other reason for the weight gain.

[@disturbed1013]

Try keto/carnivore diet

[@plukz4556]

Cacao- is it high I like to add it to my raw milk for a treat?

[@mariawelling4194]

What are some of the signs and symptoms?

[@teresaolofson2221]

Where can i find Sally's List of low oxalte foods?

[@gentleoldmoviefan5680]

There is a way through her website (but it takes a while). Also, she has a book coming out in December 2022. I think it's possible to pre-order it at this time. Good luck at finding the list you are seeking! By the way, I think one such low oxalate food is squash (such as acorn squash), but you may want to double-check that. With butter, it is pretty tasty. Eggs would be another good all-around food, I think, especially if the yoke part is not overcooked.

[@jiujitsukitty9319]

Loooooooooove carnivore diet/ life style...I miss my roasted cabbage and cauliflower however after a while the craving or desire for them leaves. You can morally eat a carnivore diet. Source your meat/eggs, etc organically and humanely. PS: every vegan I know looks like a guant cancer patient...not trying to be rude but they look awful, especially the men that try and maintain it long term. It seems like a way to slowly, over time starve yourself and reek hormonal havoc on your body...

[@Muskar2]

I am a 29yo male. And I've been eating WFPB vegan for 1½ years and never felt or looked better, imo. I'm as athletic as ever and have an abundance of energy when I exercise or work out. I haven't tried a ketogenic diet, but today I discovered Sten Ekberg and Sally Norton and they made me open to the possibility that animal foods aren't necessarily the root cause of the many ills I've read them to be, as long as they're whole foods and you pair it with a low carb intake. I'll have to do a lot more research before giving it a try though, since the thought of the smell of saturated fat seems pretty disgusting to me at the moment. Which may be because of oxalate toxicity, I have no idea frankly - and no health professionals nearby to council about it. I'm neither keen on being in a constant state of ketosis - sounds pretty awful and hard to sustain, on the surface. Either way, I am actually commenting because I see so many comments like yours saying you know a lot of vegans who look awful and unhealthy. I've never seen a WFPB vegan who isn't (near) athletic - and I've also seen carnivore advocates who look very unhealthy to me (particularly permanently loose skin at an early age) - and nobody ever explains what they think of as unhealthy looking, so it seems kinda pointlessly rude to make those comments, even though you claim you aren't trying to be. But frankly, I don't really understand the need for this demonizing. Both WFPB vegans and ketogenic eaters are typically very healthy compared to the average person. They share a common passion for health and preventing diseases. So what I don't get is why so many have such a strong urge to try to put down other healthy people, when I think we should really just be sharing information, and possibly even uniting in inspiring others to see the benefits of eating healthy to those who don't. That's the way I see it anyway.

[@Magnulus76]

Why aren't you eating cabbage and cauliflower? There's nothing that's really unhealthy about those choices. Excess protein will wreck your kidneys far more than eating cabbage or cauliflower ever could.

[@Jay-ParaOz]

Thank you so much for the information and all your effort to do the real research needed in this money grant driven system of deception.

[@beyondalpha1072]

What is the question at 21:25? HELP ANYONE?

[@florinvoicufv]

i'm lost don't know what to eat

[@Emkfry8020]

Meats, eggs, animal fat

[@twoscoopz4944]

@@Emkfry8020 and cabbage ;)

[@maudestephens7086]

I'm with you, the more I watch of these shows.. I'm terrified every time I eat! Meat causes cancer! Spinach kills you! CHOCOLATE! argggg! I'm going Chinese stir fry, but steamed!, with a little white rice, And only tropical fruit! I just had a big calcium ball taken out of my thyroid! My life is now scarey, I already didn't eat gluten, and have dairy! Now greens almonds, seeds! OK, will do it!

[@maudestephens7086]

@K O that's abit much! I nearly fainted when I had a spinach smoothie.. Not all people are oxalate sensitive though, some people swear by it. They always go over board.

[@Vintage606]

Meat and animal fat

[@YouButter]

Wow thank you ! I overeat oxylates, had no clue! I’ve been sick sick for years! I’ve been on organic juice diet for extended periods with no results of energy or wellbeing. I’m currently transitioning to carnivore but of course I would have greens, nuts, avocados for a “healthy” side. Thank you so so much ! God bless 😃

[@janetdelcarmen1655]

Thank you doctor

[@miguelangelbueno6897]

Is there a complete and reliable list of oxalate content in foods?

[@jennielunn2226]

Miguel Angel Bueno I found this list. Drcherylkasdorf.com. Cheers

[@ValerieJungck]

@Sirius White I ordered this list through her website but it never arrived, nor any evidence that I ordered. Have sent two emails asking for the material paid for. Not sure people ordering the list through her website will ever get it, but I hope so. She does have a statement about the issue, but a month later, nothing has come through.

[@wilma-gv9ff]

Scouring internet for a probiotic with oxalobacter formigenes.... not offered anywhere.

[@senkyrova1]

What about fermented plants? Are they lower in oxalates?

[@-Diana469]

Cabbage is.

[@Magnulus76]

Yes. Fermentation reduces oxalates.

[@mrmalone28]

All right folks. I think it’s time to JUST STOP EATING! Everything I eat turns to shit.

[@whatisanamebutalayerofabsr4107]

Here's the problem... any presentation can be compelling if believed to be truths! How are we supposed to trust this amazing presentation? I just finished watching a compelling video by Brian Clement who says we should only eat raw vegetables... so what is a normal dude supposed to do? They both make a compelling argument but are on opposite sides of the discussion - Meat or Vegetables?

[@Lindabraggketovore]

Rocco Scocco I’m eating meat and feel great.

[@twocupsoftee]

• Excellent statement; I believed (20 years) wholeheartedly that the plant based approach ‘was best’ even though it was struggle for me. Then I finally tried high fat low refined carbs and my life changed. Do I believe plant based in wrong? NO! I do believe the diet best for you is based on what YOUR genetic heritage is. I’ve seen vegans flourish on plants and animal products and I’m currently flourishing on the high fat route. Why is everyone looking for ONE ideal diet for EVERYONE??

[@tomjones2157]

Try both for a few months and see! I personally got sick on vegan/vegetarian and nearly died twice. Recovering nicely on keto carnivore. I know which works for me by how I feel (and blood labs results, and recovering from illnesses)

[@MsAnchovey]

Yes, try both and see for yourself. What's good for one is bad for another.

[@aleksandrazimpel8097]

Rocco Scocco meat, animal fats, eggs, raw milk, raw milk cheese, homemade bone broth and kefir , fish it’s amazingly tasty

[@hangulphoo]

Outside of a couple case reports, presents zero data that dietary oxalate intake has any bearing on pathologic manifestation of calcium oxalate. Am I missing something?

[@Thomaslinqvist2]

yes me too i am confused becausbody make oksalat %60 %20 _40 come from foods

[@LTPottenger]

One more thing to worry about.