Sally K Norton Oxalate Expert Interviewed by SBN | Are Oxalates Bad For Kidney Disease

In this video, Sally Norton, a Health Coach and expert in Kidney Health discuss the impact of Oxalates on the body and how to maintain a healthy diet. Norton starts by introducing herself and discussing her background in Nutrition and Health Coaching. She then delves into the topic of Oxalates and how they can have negative effects on the body.
Norton discusses research by Dr. Jacob on Oxalates, as well as the role of the Kidneys in protecting the body from Oxalate buildup. She explains what Crystals are and why Kidney Stones are harmful. Norton then explains what Oxalates are, how they are metabolized by the body, and how they can contribute to Gut Inflammatory Bowel Diseases and Hyperoxaluria.
Throughout the video, Norton emphasizes the importance of maintaining an Ionic balance in the body and avoiding high-oxalate foods. She provides tips for eating a low-oxalate diet and emphasizes the importance of eating seasonally and avoiding processed foods. Norton also discusses the impact of Polyphenols on the body and how they can affect the Microbiome.
In addition, Norton addresses common questions about Oxalates, such as why we don't feel different after eating high-oxalate foods and whether going Gluten-Free can help reduce Oxalate levels. She also discusses the results of studies on high-oxalate foods, including the effects of Spinach on rats and the impact of eating Strawberries.
Overall, Norton's video provides a comprehensive overview of the dangers of consuming too many Oxalates and offers practical tips for maintaining a healthy diet that supports Kidney Health. By understanding the role of Oxalates in the body and making conscious choices about what we eat, we can help protect our Kidneys and maintain optimal health.
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0:07 Intro
0:58 Sally Norton's profile
4:55 When was she at Cornell University?
8:25 Can healthy food make you sick?
9:00 Dr. Jacob's research
11:10 How Oxalate is bad?
15:03 How Sally Kidney is protecting her?
15:46 What are Crystals?
16:58 Why Kidney Stones are bad for you?
18:50 What is Oxalate?
22:50 Gut Inflammatory Bowel Diseases
23:58 What is Hyperoxaluria?
24:55 What do Kidneys do in the body?
26:40 Are Oxalates end of metabolism?
29:00 How it looks like to consume too much Oxalates?
33:53 Is Oxalate on Apical or Basolateral?
36:27 Is Oxalate a mitochondrial stressor?
37:25 What is the ionic balance?
40:47 Why we don't feel any difference after an Oxalate meal?
43:04 High Oxalate Foods
45:45 What happens if you give Spinach to Rats?
47:29 Polyphenols effects
49:21 Eating things seasonality
52:44 Is it good to eat meat?
53:46 How to eat a low Oxalate diet?
57:43 Microbiome
1:00:54 What is Net or Granulomas?
1:04:58 Morango's studies on high Oxalate
1:09:20 How to get on low Oxalate food?
1:13:31 Does going Gluten-Free help Oxalate?
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[@CeliaCavalli]

This should be taught in all schools.

[@therealdeal3672]

Sadly, doctors are not even on board with the information, yet. The food industry, specifically the grain lobby and the pharmaceutical industry hold a lot of power. They make big money on the status quo. We've got to work to change it. You're right we need to be learning more about anti-nutrients in school. I learned about oxalate as an undergraduate in college nutrition, but there was no understanding of its hazards. Of course that was in the 1970s. Fast forward years later have eaten a High oxalate diet inadvertently, for years and given myself crystals in my kidney. So hopefully eventually this will be taught in all schools.

[@audreygregis8721]

Heck, when we connected gluten to my daughter's UTIs, after finding son#2 was Celiac, the pediatric group didn't even want to know. When we found that same son has a gene for Reactive Arthritis (HLA B27), and that practice told us they were sorry, but there was nothing they could...then after 5yrs going down rabbit holes, we found out how to turn that gene off, they didn't want to know what we did. Mainstream big med is NOT about curing anything. If they did that, they'd lose money.

[@therealdeal3672]

@@audreygregis8721 right. We have less a healthcare system than a disease maintenance system. Seems like they're not even really trying to pay attention to how to fix things when they can sell drugs and surgeries. Glad you were able to figure out your children's health problems. Sad that the pediatric group was not supportive in your mission.

[@CeliaCavalli]

@@audreygregis8721 I’m so so glad you figured it out! Gluten and grains in general is horrible for humans. Congrats on getting your lives back!!

[@tea.andagoodbook]

As always, I am amazed at how much Sally K Norton knows. She can tailor her talk to anyone's level.

[@JohnOrbit]

I could listen to her talk for hours. Love her!

[@terryolay4613]

I've been listening to her for multiple hours since yesterday. She's a fount of knowledge.

[@lizkeith1356]

Wish my family would listen when i start talking about this.

[@CalmVibesVee]

They won’t until they are desperate for the info.

[@ryananderson6321]

i'm with you there

[@underwaves75]

I feel you. I have been met with great deals of apathy. What I’ve come to realize is that people need their personal perceptions about health changed before their eating habits change. If they don’t understand or sense the dangers of eating poorly then they’ll never be convinced to change. For me …. It took a personal health issue to make me take it seriously. My perception was changed instantly! Unfortunately, like me, most will probably need to suffer before they understand the truth of their situation.

[@mrazik131]

yes same here now there was a health crash started to read the book but doctor said it is only for kidney stones so they returned the book,...sad story but if someone has allusion of knowledge it is not possible to help them.

[@nancypaynter8063]

Same. I don’t get why they don’t get it

[@mrazik131]

I remember eating peanut butter out of the jar while planing and packing for vacation and then next day I had such a ankle pain that I could not go or walk ...the worst is that you have no idea how/what you did to get to the pain part, with Sally's help I can dodge the bullets every time! Thank you Sally for speaking about oxalates.

[@exploringrvdude7817]

Yeah, this actually helps me to understand why eating potatoes and peanut butter make me react in weird ways. I understand now.

[@wizardatmath]

Ever do a course of antibiotics, and since then ever check your oxalobacter formigens status?

[@mrazik131]

@@wizardatmath good to know but i have no money for funcy tests, with high oxalate diet eating 1pound of cocoa powder within a 6 months i trashed my body.

[@susanhoflick4462]

😢want to. Try carnivore but don't want to get sick on oxylates

[@taeah6672]

Picked up carnivore a while back amd got really really sick from oxalate dumping. Like nurological manefistations level sick. Quit carnivore and now 6 months later now realise it was oxalates. Now buying dark chocolate as medicine so I don't dump too hard. Save yourself thousands in medical scans and tests and go slow 🙏 Wish I found this when I started but here now, so can only move forward. I just hope my eyes and bladder recover swiftly, I'm so tired of peeing all the time and being midly dizzy some days.

[@user-ry1vi1jc7o]

Ear, not eat.

[@elizabethh9039]

What were your neurological symptoms if you don't mind me asking

[@nataliegist2014]

I’m looking for a way to dump Oxalates quicker. 😂

[@joannemoissiades5321]

😂😂😂😂😂

[@andyusmaximus]

Happened to me…oxalate dumping is no joke.

[@weigu7640]

This interview is very help, I am still cleaning up my oxalate crystals from my face, I have learned the dangers of oxalates few month ago, I have more than 10 times of dermatologist appointments and treated for allergy. I have drank almond milk for many years, eat spinach salad, beet juicing and also soy beans foods. Since I void these food and my skin is healing much better. Thank you Sally.

[@keylanoslokj1806]

But they say soy is good for Cancer

[@EmpowertheMind]

@@keylanoslokj1806 probably a vegan told you that.

[@KC-kh8df]

@@keylanoslokj1806 hardly good for cancer it has estrogen = ever hear of Soy Boys that look like girls?

[@jellybeanvinkler4878]

​@@EmpowertheMindI agree, but for years I just followed the general narrative: meat bad, dairy bad, eggs bad. What's left?! Lots of oxalate containing foods! I was left with many many classic issues that Sally speaks of with oxalate toxicity. 😢 I eat meat, eggs, and dairy now. And still love my low oxalate veg and fruit. Bless Sally Norton❤

[@mares3841]

I was eating excessive spinach, almond, chocolate and sweet potato and more to the point that my teeth started to feel loose and I was afraid that my teeth would fall out. Once I stopped eating oxalates, my teeth feel normal again.

[@Jesse47249]

There's no such a thing as eating no oxalate, you can eat low oxalate, but it's impossible to avoid it completely! Not to mention that half of it's produced endogenously! The foods you mentioned is highly nutritious food, there's no reason to avoid it for fear of oxalates. If you have family members with kidneys stones, it would be sensible to eat less oxalate and make sure you get enough calcium. If consume a high calcium food after or before eating a high oxalate food, the oxalate will bind to the calcium in the intestine, and you're going to excrete it in your faeces. It will not get absorbed.

[@lauracowan100]

​@@Jesse47249the evidence of what Sally is saying is just too compelling to take your advice to continue eating high oxalate. Its more than just kidney issues that oxalate causes. Plus there are plenty of highly nutritious low oxalate foods to enjoy! Personally I'm having huge health improvements low oxalate, no kidney history

[@beverlyparker2418]

Dr Norton, you are an unsung hero!> And thank you!!!

[@865style]

Sally is a great person and extreme knowledgeably about oxalate poisoning.

[@Mo-yj3wf]

Wow. It’s so much more than even I thought. Need more podcasts with Sally.

[@robalexanderhealth7763]

I was a sick vegan and was so calcified my arteries showed up in an x ray Thanks sally, saved my life

[@Jesse47249]

You calcified your arteries on a vegan diet? 😂 It's funny that in one moment vegans don't get enough calcium, and in the other they get so much of it to the point of calcifying their arteries. You guys have to choose a narrative and stick to it! Otherwise, it won't stick!

[@Jesse47249]

You calcified your arteries on a vegan diet? 😂 It's funny that in one moment vegans don't get enough calcium, and in the other they get so much of it to the point of calcifying their arteries. You guys have to choose a narrative and stick to it! Otherwise, it won't stick!

[@Jesse47249]

You calcified your arteries on a vegan diet? 😂 It's funny that in one moment vegans don't get enough calcium, and in the other they get so much of it to the point of calcifying their arteries. You guys have to choose a narrative and stick to it! Otherwise, it won't stick!

[@Jesse47249]

You calcified your arteries on a vegan diet? 😂 It's funny that in one moment vegans don't get enough calcium, and in the other they get so much of it to the point of calcifying their arteries. You guys have to choose a narrative and stick to it! Otherwise, it won't stick!

[@Jesse47249]

You calcified your arteries on a vegan diet? 😂 It's funny that in one moment vegans don't get enough calcium, and in the other they get so much of it to the point of calcifying their arteries. You guys have to choose a narrative and stick to it! Otherwise, it won't stick!

[@foxyauragems6146]

Amazing how much simpler and cleaner my kitchen is now ! To tell the truth I was Never addicted to cocoa, spinach, sweet potatoes turmeric and tofu it was just all that wear pushed on us by women’s health, menopause experts, and even other gurus like Mike Adam’s health ranger, with his Million dollar equipment and labs ... and he’s still pushing and selling all high oxalate foods.

[@CaptainSteve777]

Thank you. Very interesting. I had a similar experience with wheat/gluten and dairy. Sadly, the type of people giving her bad advice "way back" are still giving bad advice about lots of things, diet of course, but bad advice re Covid 19 prevention and therapeutics.

[@flowergirl2day]

I recently discovered this has been an issue with me. After eating healthy for years and lots of veggies and fruits from the garden I got sick late summer It started with huge sinus issues that affected my eyes and ears. Also ,fibromyalgia symtoms and arthritis type pain. Sciatica and my feet broke down to flat feet. I believe digestion, inflammation, blood sugar, and fatty liver. I believe thyroid and teeth issues too. Probably a hysterectomy too. I am eating low carb and meats and romaine lettuce and cabbage. I am feeling better and my sleep has improved. Certain people are more prone to this ie. MTHFR Also, spreading the word as I believe this is affecting lots of people

[@kathrynnewton8721]

I’m blown away and wonder if Sally sees clients remotely ( I live in South Africa) I’m also a health professional and turned my health around by going low carb and gluten free about 10 yrs ago. I’ve been struggling with brain fog and fatigue which I’ve been unable to get to the root of - until now!,

[@KC-kh8df]

Kathryn yes she does consultations on her website, I was going to do the group one that she wants us to do before doing a one to one talk. It’s only $24! Deal! But the talk sold out I’ll have to try again, good luck friend in SA!

[@beam-kitty8425]

@@KC-kh8df you can also get an hour with her privately, but it’s pricey. Around $600 an hour. Worth it

[@nickpamhooley1805]

Really interesting information on oxalates and the benefits of seasonal eating but I would like to see more clarification from SBN on her overall approach (mainly carnivore) and its suitability (or otherwise) for polycystic kidney disease patients.

[@Jessa32]

Omg you two are hilarious together- “I eat pringles and spinach at the same time” 😂 Seriously though, this info is some of the most important info for people today. ❤❤❤

[@felipearbustopotd]

Maybe oxalates were better tolerated by our ancestors due to seasonal variations but today we can eat the same foods 24/7 365 days of the year, making the situation worse. This kind of valuable information needs to be well and truly disseminated. How many are eating.... and not joining the dots. CGMs are all of the rage now, maybe in future there will be devices that will be available for detecting oxalates. In Japan they reportedly have toilets that can analyse your excreted matter. Just imagine what the next decade could bring us in being able to self scan at home. We have oxygen meters, blood pressure monitors, CGMs, Cpac machines. Thank you for uploading and sharing.

[@jellybeanvinkler4878]

Not to mention, ancestors didn't have blenders and juicers to make a pound of spinach and almond milk into a delicious smoothie to sip on day after day, 365 days per year!

[@felipearbustopotd]

@@jellybeanvinkler4878 ideally the only thing that should masticate our food is the use of our teeth, or if you're unfortunate denatures.

[@okharren]

Fascinating discussion! I went on keto diet, worked well, lost weight, etc. but experienced night time muscle cramps, which is common complaint with keto. I started magnesium supplement, which is the common prescription for cramping, but didn't help. Like most keto beginners I started using almond flour heavily for wheat flour replacement - i wonder if the big increase in oxalates are source of cramping?

[@juliametcalf2660]

For me spraying magnesium oil on my feet before bed actually got the magnesium into my body ....I no longer use it because I guess the balance is restored

[@cyndimanka]

My problem is that I can do anything and not feel any results. For instance if I was eating the spinach or the peanut butter or whatever I wouldn’t have a symptom. Like I feel like the only symptom that I have is asthma. Like people, oh I ate this and I felt horrible or I went on this diet and I felt terrible and I have this pain but I don’t have that I don’t have any warning signs and that scares me. I went on keto and I did awesome and I loved it I lost weight. And after listening to Sally for like three or four days and watching peoples comments I’m like wow. That’s great that people have a response. What scares me is not having a response. I don’t get me wrong I’ve been doing carnivore for several weeks. I did have 12 days where I was on vacation and I ate everything and came back and had to start all over. But I didn’t feel bad. I had nothing!!! And I feel like if I did I would go of that wasn’t worth it I need to not do that you know what I mean?

[@KenJackson_US]

We need SALT! People who eat packaged foods and junk foods get plenty of salt, but on keto the only salt we get is what we put on it. When I fast, I actually take two 1mg salt tablets to avoid cramping.

[@felipearbustopotd]

​@@KenJackson_US I doubt the salt that is used is sea salt.

[@KenJackson_US]

@@felipearbustopotd Salt is *NaCl.* The source, such as _"sea salt",_ is largely hype and of little importance.

[@stephknorr]

Excellent interview! Thank you.

[@cyndimanka]

I think it’s been more than 40 years. I think it started with Ancel Keys in the 50s

[@mares3841]

Thank you

[@KenJackson_US]

My takeaway: *eat minimal spinach and almonds.* I love almonds. I got a big bag of them for Christmas. But they give me hives if I eat too many in a day.

[@shamirarose5]

Eat no almonds eat no pb eat no spinach plenty other options .

[@catistrolling7333]

Sally give us some of the articles even if animal research on oxylates

[@dee468]

So what should someone do if they’re sensitive to oxalates but eat a high oxalate diet? Should they ween off of it slowly or cut it out all together?

[@user-ry1vi1jc7o]

I had an ah-ha moment when she was talking about the 1930s study in which rats were fed spinach and were then unable to produce offspring. Of course! That would explain why the dangers of oxalates and the infertility they may cause, as indicated by that study, were "forgotten". Because we have eugenicists behind the scenes pulling the strings.

[@JackieKay11]

Definitely!!!

[@more8116]

I think oxalates causing pain, healthproblems and infections are an epedemic. I think many many people suffer from oxalates. Unfortunately our doctors have no clue. Ps broke my foot five years ago, didnt heal, walked on glassplinters (oxalates). Now I suffer from several kidney stones. So much suffering. Cause is liquorice, liquorice, soya and spinach.

[@mrazik131]

i listen to this again --so true you are ok until one day you are not, hitting a wall is coming ...now i see it

[@TwoRivers22]

So what can you eat? Where do you get your vitamins that fruit and vegetables have? Or lead me to a resource.

[@smooth_pursuit]

There’s nothing you can’t get from animal products

[@TwoRivers22]

All meat ,eggs cheese or acidic. Meat is good in moderation. Cancer grows in acidic environment. I’m sorry but fruit and vegetables are just not a pretty plant or tree to look at, they are food for the body everything in moderation. People always want us to think they discovered this new secret for life after thousands of years. Follow the money! What’s good enough for Jesus is good enough for me.

[@pallascat8542]

Check out Dr. Anthony Chaffee, Dr Ken Berry, Bart Kay, Kelly Hogan, there are many more. Just look for keto/carnivore video on KZbin. Some eat just meat others eat a more varied diet. Each has found what works for them.

[@underwaves75]

@@pallascat8542 I’d actually suggest dr Ben Mason & dr Jason Fung

[@wendycarter5718]

Eat fatty meat ‘n’ eggs !😊

[@underwaves75]

CAN CITRATES in lemons/limes HELP DISSOLVE OXALATES?

[@weimbs]

It can help to prevent the formation of calcium oxalate. Nothing really dissolves existing calcium oxalate stones, unfortunately.

[@Samyramirez]

According to Sally K Norton, yes. However you do need to be in a low oxalate diet. Citrates can also be obtained from minerals such as potassium, calcium and magnesium all in citrate form. Minerals are extremely important in general but particularly to replenish losses due to oxalate intake.

[@h.o.j2375]

Good luck with it if you have histamine intolerance, you’re gonna suffer so badly from the citrus if you do.

[@jellybeanvinkler4878]

​@@weimbsthat isn't true. At least for me. I silently developed a huge 2+cm kidney stone while eating vegetarian lifestyle. Many sweet potatoes, salads, and spinach/peanut butter smoothies later.... Only discovered due to nagging lower back pain and ensuing MRI. Nothing done due to quack urologist telling me this was not the source of my pain. My kidney stone will not pass and will be a silent passenger for my lifetime. 😮 Fast forward, move to Florida and start sipping abundant fresh lemon and lime water all day, from my own trees. Few years later, ER visit due to extreme lower abdominal pain, nausea, sweats, etc. Another MRI showed I now have two 1cm, and probably passing fragments. Apparently the stone was dissolving and breaking up! I need to have the thing MRI'd again. I have had several bouts of passing fragments. I now just take Tylenol and walk it out. But I'd like to know the status. I no longer eat a lot of oxalate foods. Ocassional tea, and nuts only.

[@emh8861]

So can you cook or boil them out ? Or phytates?

[@ryanray6215]

No , oxalates are like a shattered glass , impossible to destroy them . Every plant , grain , vegetable and fruits contains oxalates . Just don''t eat them , that means zero plants "foods" . No wonder there are no oxalates in animal food !

[@richardprice9730]

Then my question is qht does the body produce it ,it is a chelating agent it us a percusor to H2O2 ,it is intermediate in the reverse oroduction of glycine origin acid snd on and on it has use but yes too much exogenous oxalate probably isn't good

[@exploringrvdude7817]

One criticism I've seen of this oxalate theory, is that eating a high animal protein diet is in and of itself likely to promote kidney stones. I'd love to see that addressed.

[@chuckhaggard1584]

That's bad information

[@jksinorbit]

Completely the opposite. If you want to reverse gout completely you would go on an all meat diet. By the way, oxalates are well known to the medical/ animal husbandry community of decades gone by, its not a theory in the common sense but is theory in the science use of the word.

[@865style]

There are a ton of factors in the formation of kidney stones. Water intake, citrate, oxalate, magnesium, ph, phosphorus, calcium, sodium.

[@865style]

Alot of people dont know but a lot of calcium oxalate stones have calcium phosphate in the center. This is because oxalate hijacks the calcium phosphate stone and turns the outside of the stone into calcium oxalate.

[@jellybeanvinkler4878]

Never heard this! Ever...

[@doddsalfa]

People has saved their kidneys with spinach smoothies 😊

[@ketotranzform]

What about raw foodists they seem to be fine no kidney stones great bloodwork

[@keylanoslokj1806]

But i love berries

[@marilys3549]

Me to.... love berries but they should only be eaten in very small quantities and only when they are in season. Be cautious about berries.....

[@user-ry1vi1jc7o]

keylanoslokj1806 1 year ago "But i love berries" Love is only good if it's mutual. Unrequited love can be torture.

[@thomasjohnson6808]

I just got off the phone with the Poison Control Hotline. Me: "Help! I have been poisoned!" PCH: "OMG! We are sending an ambulance immediately to your location. What specifically did you ingest and what are your symptoms?" Me: I had a kiwi fruit and feel pretty good." PCH: "I am not sure I understand your problem." Me: "I just watched a YT video that told me oxalates were a powerful and dangerous toxin." *sound of a dial tone*

[@jellybeanvinkler4878]

I read a comment once that told of a friend who went to Asia (or s. Pacific?), drank a carambolafruit juice drink and died of kidney failure.

[@mat1500]

Trolls are often more toxic than oxalates