Ancient Gods & The Cultures That Worshipped Them | The Elder Scrolls Podcast #76

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[@Evarakeus]

The idea that Shor cucked Auriel actually sounds exactly like something that would've been written into Morrowind era lore

[@thalmoragent9344]

Well it doesn't make Shor/Lorkhan out to be any better. Granted we don't know if Shor did do stuff behind Auriel but of course Auriel found out. Also makes Mara out to be negative as well. Or maybe Mara just left Auriel for whatever reason, so it doesn't make or a situation where Auriel gets cucked. Either way, Lorkhan and his squad are devious, imagine doing that shit to your own brother, your king?

[@QuintRepler]

​@@thalmoragent9344 High Elves are clearly compensating with their height

[@thalmoragent9344]

@@QuintRepler I dunno man, just saying, just about all the Elven races have more going for them than not. Only the thickest of plot armor has wiped a few of them out, and most of what fans love about the Elder Scrolls is thanks to most of the Elven races. Such as enchanting, the charting of Tamriel, the foundations for most all the major civilizations, both ancient and present, etc.

[@MikefromTexas1]

Always hated that there wasn't more of the "old faith" in Skyrim.

[@HickoryDickory86]

Same. It was really disappointing that they were really lazy in that regard and just ported the Imperial pantheon over wholesale.

[@KonoGufo]

Even the Forsworn don't have very good development. It's hard to actually track down the most interesting details of their beliefs (such as Namira being a highly regarded spirit of decay but also rebirth) and even characters like Red Eagle don't even get unique models. In vanilla Skyrim Faolan can even spawn as a dragon priest, which is just silly.

[@616thedevil]

would have been cool if the stormcloaks leaned more into that

[@viderevero1338]

The forsworn are the only ones keeping interesting religion alive in Skyrim. Everything else is a bit bland and imperial washed.

[@nbmoleminer5051]

Same

[@PyrusFlameborn]

I would argue that Julianos was also important in the early Nedic tribes. In modern times Julianos is invoced by academia, research, scholarship, etc. But knowledge has always been important regardless of civilization. In early Nedic times Julianos could've been the god of the Wise, shamans, the tribe elder, generational knowledge, experience and passing down knowledge through oral stories, etc.

[@tonys9397]

That’s actually really good

[@HHLucifer666]

Especially with the ancient Nordic interpretation of Junaal who is essentially the same thing just with those exact motifs? Ya it's basically confirmed

[@ReikoAyanamiCh]

So in a way, gods can be "killed" What a grand and intoxicating innocence

[@adoringfan3186]

how naive

[@luckyjedi429]

16:10 You mention that Forsworn Dibella shrine, but don’t forget that the Dibella temple quest leads there. Remember, they kidnapped the next Sybil, who is supposed to be like a prophetess or high priestess of Dibella.

[@SelphieTheNutter]

Dibella always seems to be peoples favourite first target when attacking the 9 Divines (with Talos being the exception when it comes to the Thalmor) We have Umaril targeting the chapel of Dibella first on Oblivions Knights of The 9 DLC. The reach men kidnapping the Syble of Dibella on Skyrim, but not only that Dibella herself has been twisted into a different aspect on Skyrim. She was once ment to be the Godess of Love and Art. Guiding people to find their soul mates and inspiring them to create great works of Art (a type of Muse and Cupid). While Mara was ment to be the patron God of Marriage and family. Their relms interacted the same way Zenithar and Kynareths did. Zenithars Craftsman taking resources from Kynareths natural world (one cannot revear Zenithar without also acknowledging the power of Kynareth). The same used to be true of Dibella and Mara, Dibella charted Loves course then Mars sanctified their union and nurtured their family. But now on Skyrim, Dibella has been downgraded to the missing Daedric prince centered around Vanity, Lust and Manipulation. While Mara has taken over her relm and is now the goddess of Love and Marriage. In 200 years people managed to forget the attack on the chapel of Dibella and twist her into a type of Daedric prince, So much for the 9 Divines being good, their relms of late act worse that most of the Daedric Prince's. Stendar God of Mercy, is now trying to take over Julianos and Arkey domain the vigil of Stendar hunting Daeda worshipers and Undead like Vampires. Arkey is the God of death and Julianos the God of Justice, Stendars worshipers need to learn their place.

[@smuggrog9821]

Oh thier was definitely some Hircine worship going on with some Nedic tribes back in the Dawn and Merethic eras. In the Duraki ruins we see a lot of imagery of a stag skull, which is most likely depicting Hircine and the Keptu created the blood forge with the help of Hircine, also a Reachmen tribe, the Dreadhorn clan descends from the Keptu. The Reachfolks cultures seems to have maintained many of the practices of different Nedic tribes like Daedra worship and Celestial worship.

[@arempy5836]

MK has an Obscure Text about the Magna-Ge pantheon where he lists a spirit named "Daubella". This would be the only place we would find Dibella outside the Nordic and Imperial pantheons. Daubella is said to currently be the most important constellation. I wonder then if we could connect her to Star worshipping Nedes.

[@thalmoragent9344]

So maybe she really was infatuated with Magnus' divine light, like Fudgemuppet was saying. Seems she just liked any of the big/major gods in general, to be honest 😅

[@thalmoragent9344]

*"Glory to the Et'Ada, our Ancestor Spirits of great power. May the Ancient Gods never truly be forgotten, and may they aid us in the next Ehlnofey War"*

[@aceundead4750]

Psssst. Iv got a crystal tower for sale if you're interested

[@badluck5647]

For Shor!

[@thalmoragent9344]

@@BabySniff It was rebuilt, if you didn't know. However, since it was previously destroyed, it no longer functions the same. As in, its been Deactivated, so while a new one stands, it's no longer an official Tower of Nirn, at least for the moment.

[@thalmoragent9344]

@@badluck5647 *"For Auriel!"*

[@thalmoragent9344]

@@aceundead4750 You wouldn't happen to have a Sapphire Tower instead, would you? 👀

[@MonDieuMaCauseMonEpee]

I believe certain gods are mostly only powerful when they're most needed. Hoonding I'm sure was very powerful during the Ra Gada invasions by the Yokudans.

[@YourWaywardDestiny]

Coffee just got finished brewing, and I have a fresh new ES Podcast. Fantastic.

[@PashtunDoughnut33]

Sounds like a good morning!

[@Balgus4]

Right there with ya budy.

[@thomasrosendahl2783]

Zaric Zhakaron is the Elder scrolls god, imagine him joining a Fudgemuppet podcast.

[@NateHolms]

Yet another golden hour of elder scrolls lore, thanks bois

[@badluck5647]

Can gods be killed? Trinimac and Jyggalag were cursed instead of killed. The elven gods tired to kill Lorkhan, but his heart wouldn't be destroyed. There is also the "dead" Tsun who seems fine in Aetherius. Meanwhile, the Deadlight is rumored to be the realm of a deadra lord destroyed by Dagon. Could this be true? Could there be a equivalent of the 'Heart of Lorkhan' of a dead daedra prince?

[@Seethethings05]

That is a question I have always asked myself, what if the dead deadra lords heart would be used in a future story or expansion to bring lorkan back from the brink of death or to puth the deadra lord's soul in the remains of lorkan. Not sure how they would work that in but it would be really cool to see.

[@MrMokele03]

I mean trinimac wasn’t so much cursed as he was eaten. I’ve always interpreted it as boethiah taking some of trinimac’s nature and adding it to her/his own

[@thalmoragent9344]

I think the idea is, they can't truly be killed, but rather, "sundered" like Tsun and Lorkhan, or "cursed" like my homie Trinimac, as well as Jyggalag. I think the ripping out or damaging of their Heart/Divine Spark essentially takes a LOT of their power, to the point they function as Aedra, pretty much hella weak and in comatose. Pretty sure Lorkhan would be just as active as a Daedric Prince had he not had his Heart ripped out. Nirn is Lorkhan's Daedric Realm, so he would've (and still is) tied to it, but the reason he acts like an Aedra in terms of power/interference is because... well, Trinimac beat the ever loving shit out of him 😅 and took out his Divine Spark, greatly weakening him.

[@thalmoragent9344]

@@Seethethings05 Then Lorkhan would also have the Sphere of whatever dead Daedric Prince was sundered, so it wouldn't really be the old Lorkhan. Hell, if they use another God's heart or soul for Lorkhan, it may just simply not work. I mean, the Mantella was used as a replacement of Lorkhan's Heart, but even then, it had the souls of Shezzarines in it, aspects of Lorkhan himself, so I mean... that may be why it was able to power Numidium. But unless you get to do something like that again, well... I don't think fusing the souls/hearts of Daedra lords together is a good idea 😅

[@badluck5647]

@@MrMokele03 Malacath is the *God of Curses* . Boethiah couldn't kill Trinimac, so Boethiah cursed Trinimac to be a pariah to his fellow Altmeri ancestor spirits.

[@eddardstark6554]

That say that there are 37,000+ Pocket Realms of Oblivion… perhaps there have been over 37,000 Daedric Princes throughout the various Kalpas? With only 17 known ones being prevalent in this one (with more to be discovered, perhaps).

[@Nilns]

I just gotta say, I love the picture of Vivec drawn in that Ren & Stimpy style at 5:21. Vehk & Stimpy

[@Vahmung]

Really good podcast, needs to be a part 2. Talk about the Star-Gazers in Craglorn.

[@phylsorkyrem3615]

Yes! We need a podcast on those Nedes, nirncrux, and the celestials

[@bronzecobra8556]

I’ve been waiting for them to cover that.

[@igoriouspitchpuckington1594]

I have to say: "Auriel got c*cked by Shor" is, without a doubt, my new headcannon

[@thalmoragent9344]

Well it doesn't make Shor/Lorkhan out to be any better, that's for sure. Granted we don't know if Shor did do stuff behind Auriel but of course Auriel found out. Also makes Mara out to be negative as well. Or maybe Mara just left Auriel for whatever reason, so it doesn't make or a situation where Auriel gets cucked. Either way, Lorkhan and his squad are devious, imagine doing that shit to your own brother, your king?

[@Vajrakumara333]

@@thalmoragent9344 well with gods it’s a bit different especially being that Shor came from padomay and auriel from anu it doesn’t really seem like they’d be “brothers” especially not in our sense of the word, and even if they were Auriel is acting as the Anuic stasis while Shor is acting as the Padomaic change so Shor wasn’t really acting as anything but a natural force of change because nothing stays the same

[@SelphieTheNutter]

​@@thalmoragent9344Well I can see Mara being a negative aspect. Dibella was ment to be the Godess of Love and Art, her Domain was the course of falling in love and that love inspiring great works of Art. But on Skyrim Mara, has userped her domain and is no longer working together with Dibella by sanctifying Loves commitment through Marriage. Leaving Dibella to become a type of Daedric Prince, centered around Vanity, Lust and manipulation that blesses women only. Mara apparently became Greedy and wanted 100% control over the relm of Love.

[@onandonitgoes5957]

Moths are revered in some cultures for signifying resurrection or transformation due to the metamorphosis they experience during their life cycles. In a way it could be worshipping the kelper cycle itself, or it could signify that they could've been a different god or entity entirely in a different kelper, or just that they carried over from a different kalper (kelper? Kalper? W/e, who tf knows...)

[@fartnutte1724]

its spelled kalpa they just have an accent

[@FirstNameLastName-okayyoutube]

The snow elves had portals so it would have been really easy for them to go from one town to another without ever crossing the open Terrain

[@simontheblind8417]

You three make the most in-depth and thought-provoking videos. Thank you so much!

[@Seifiros]

I love that Mara is a patron goddess of *marriage*, after all that lore of her cheating on Auriel with Shor who was also married. Oh, the irony.

[@SelphieTheNutter]

That's one of the things that pissed me off about Skyrim. Mara is the Patron God of Marriage Not the Godess of Love. In Oblivion when they released the Knights of The Nine DLC and the First attack on the Nine was directed at the Godess of Love (everyone spacificly stating Dibella Godess of Love) Dibella. It pissed me off that Dibella was implied to be a type of Daedric Prince in Skyrim all centered around Vanity, manipulation and Lust. When she is ment to be a type of Muse to inspire artists and bring people together through the corse of falling in love (when they decide to commit to eachother Mara take over and sanctifys their union and helps to develop their family).

[@ErnestoCifer]

If TES6 takes place in Hammerfell I'd love to see a multitude of pantheons being worshipped. Ebonarm, Satakal, Sai, Diagna and many more obscure or forgotten deities

[@paladinheadquarters7776]

Yeah or like a quest line on them and why and how they were forgotten.

[@lazilycatharticone4191]

I'd hope they'd respect the Yoku gods, instead of replacing them like they did with the Nord gods. If they did, I can see the excuses now: "it makes complete sense because they've been under Imperial rule for hundreds of years" nevermind they've taken something that was infinitely more interesting and made them the equivalent of sand Imperials.

[@thalmoragent9344]

Sai especially. Imagine Sai meeting Gelebor and explaining/admitting to be part of the reason why the Nords had so much luck and the Snow Elves had such a rough time. 😳

[@HickoryDickory86]

This! But honestly, literally anything but another lazy copy-and-paste Imperial pantheon like they did in Skyrim. I would have preferred much more for Skyrim to have delved into the idiosyncratic, primitive pantheon of the Nords that we read about in the lore (or can learn about literally everywhere except Skyrim itself, aside from it introducing the Dragon Cults for the first time).

[@AITK88Skeever]

I am such and nerd and I am loving it!

[@TamrielicScholar]

Can you do an episode on the player character and how they fit into the cannon/lore or if they even do at all and if not then why are we experiencing the world through the eyes of someone who makes no impact

[@matthewbutts2062]

It's in The Dragon Born Prophecy, at the end you don't absorb Alduin's soul like the other dragons, so the theory is that you the Dragonborn put Alduin back in his place to fulfill his role of Apocalypse.

[@seedofbayne.]

Im so glad that im not the only person who loves this crazy broken lore.

[@simontheblind8417]

I always imagined that the Daedra were somehow malevolent or hostile because they weren't involved with creation, so the things they represent manifest as alien, hostile, and evil forces. Like matter and antimatter in reality; antimatter is one of the most hazardous things that a living being could ever encounter, but it could have been the other way around just as easily. We simply evolved from what we call "normal" matter because that's what there happened to be more of after the beginning.

[@writerblocks9553]

Attention is the most powerful thing that exists, Gods either direct our attention or are the thing we are putting our attention on. You go in the direction your attention is, you go where you can see. Gods either show the way or are the way.

[@bigmamba8659]

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[@RecordedMercury]

I've been waiting on this. In the elder scrolls I feel like "old gods" are a concept mentioned maybe twice or 3 times but ultimately a really interesting concept how there are more lesser gods or if they're just the same ones but molded better to fit societal means.

[@midshipman8654]

a part of a lack of a sea god might be that tamriel, by abd large, is one continuous continent. besides summerset, there really isnt any major place one needs to go over the ocean. in fact, I bet the elder scrolls lore has a lack of deep sea vessels since you can sail across the costline most of the time.

[@david2odo]

You guys all look so jazzed for this. Love to see the happy looks. 😁

[@shahhaque5242]

5:35 I think Scott got zero-summed, this what you get beating the doom drum...

[@mirih5368]

My favorite Dwemer theory: they are from the future of a past kalpa. They escaped their kalpa into the present one, figured out the Yokudan idea of "walkabout", perhaps. That's why it's not clear where they're from or when they arrived on Tamriel, because they're not really supposed to be in this Kalpa at all. I like this theory for a lot of reasons, but one of my favorite is the way it makes the absorbicide even more tragic: they escaped the biggest disaster any mortal could experience - the end of the Kalpa - and their collective trauma made them want to be eternal the way gods are, and it ended with them all absorbed into the skin of the Numidium, eternal and endless, but at a terrible cost. Great job, Kagrenac!

[@dreamwolfnektovich1944]

Why does Scott have a holy halo, is he trying to mantle Kirkbride?

[@Coyote_Bongwater69]

You should have a weekly Q&A about the lore

[@CloudCrash]

Poor Drew getting fooled by an Alfiq trying to listen in on this ancient lore at 48:02

[@SA_97]

I really enjoy the digressions and theory-crafting on these more lore-oriented podcasts.. The new let’s play with Askelaad is sweet as well, hope we’ve got lots more of that in store Thanks lads, keep it up!

[@reesetorwad8346]

"Have you heard of those Elves that go around high all the time? Hah hah hah etc." (Nord "humor.")

[@xXDunceBoyXx]

Another late night, another podcast to fill my time! Thank you, gentlemen!

[@redxandy86]

This one is ganna be good

[@dizzythegreat]

I love this content.

[@petersutcliffe4927]

I like Scott's stand-in photo :D

[@Mary_Beth_Reimer]

Thank you for my weekly dose of Elder Scrolls lore! ❤️💜💙

[@mikedok1]

That was great. But please show more pictures of the Characters, so we can get a better idea and follow better.

[@MrBreadisawesome]

That would take so long for them to edit lmao. Its a podcast its primarily audio

[@writerblocks9553]

Reminds me of American Gods by Neil Gaiman with the whole ‘war of the gods for the attention of mankind’ idea

[@roerich1848]

Oh yeah, it’s Fudgemuppet time 😎

[@RedheadJack]

Love these Sunday podcasts, keep up the good work boys

[@violetreave]

As much as it does detract from the uniqueness of Skyrim I can largely forgive the Imperialization of the Nordic religion, purely as an analog for the real world Christianization of Scandinavia, which happened over a similar period of time.

[@adamthompson6669]

Yes Fudgemuppet when it was Sunday morning I was like hrmmm it’s podcast day 😀 🎄 🎅 ⚔️ 🐉 😁 thank you team and Merry Christmas too truly thank you so much for all you do for us fans and each and every year. I’m in Alftand again with Lydia on our way to blackreach 😂 😃.

[@madbeetle4470]

Scott saying symbology instead of symbolism at this point is iconic

[@timothy8428]

How did the previous bearer get Meridia's Beacon out of their inventory and into that accursed chest?

[@maidgalaxy]

What gives the original spirits their realm/specification, what makes molag bal the prince of domination, was it his own choice to embrace those aspects and become empowered by them? "born" into it? were those aspects always there, even before the mortal realm and did they still embody them back then?

[@BaalFridge]

christmas cancelled cuz of cvid so im listening to this instead. thank you guys for sharing so much passion,

[@joshuamourning6650]

I personally want a serpent daedric prince who is the dark equal of magnus in terms of magic and knowledge and it would look like a massive black serpent with four wings and eyes that glow pale green and its realm would be the scaled abyss

[@bronzecobra8556]

Sithis is often depicted as a snake along with Sep, if that helps.

[@bronzecobra8556]

Vaermina also has some associations with snakes and dark magic.

[@cbradey2757]

I'm drunk and just beat oblivion (again) but the ending reminds me of the statue in mournhold in Morrowind. Both center of the town and both showing the leader of that province defeating Dagon

[@morrigankasa570]

What if part of Molag Bal's reason for Vampirism is so the Vampires can survive the Kalpar and be worshippers of him to help him maintain strength in next cycle?! Also what if the Giant Goblins intermingled/mated with the Orsimer?

[@badluck5647]

Molag Bal didn't have the intention of creating vampires. His victim just turned into one when he was 🍇-ing her.

[@isthatwhatemptymeans8222]

Who are the top 10 mortals who have had the biggest impact on the people of Tamriel? Can't pick game centric persons (Nevarine/Dovakin) can't pick ascended to godhood/demigods. (Vivic/Tiber Septim) Here is my list btw. Wulfarth/Ysmir Indoral Neverar Lord Kagrenac Saint Alessia Mancar Cameron VANUS GALARIAN Saint Veloth Reman Cyrodiil Frandar Hunding Emeric of Cumberland Queen Ayrenn Aldmeri '

[@rozu7772]

You misspelled Indoril Nerevar, friend.

[@isthatwhatemptymeans8222]

@@rozu7772 1:11 of Elder Scrolls names? T hat might be the best I have ever done. 💯🙌

[@rozu7772]

@@isthatwhatemptymeans8222 Better than I can do since I'm terrible with names. 😂

[@matthewbush1233]

Bless Up!!

[@anthonyjohns7384]

That’s so cool thanks out of the three of you I like Scott and Michael but Scott is funny as fuck at times

[@tryhardtr3nt]

Watching every video you have just waiting for part 4 of the let's play 😅

[@michaeltelson9798]

I totally agree with the concept of gods coming and going as they loose and gain worshippers. That is the idea behind Terry Pratchett’s book “Small Gods”. It’s a great book, but should be as I mentioned for its concepts.

[@Ravenhill171]

Let's talk about Scott's FASHION! I LOVE that shirt!

[@moobles2998]

The Kalpa ending by being devoured by serpentine creatures mimics the Ouroboros in real world symbology. With the beginning and end of the cycle meeting as a snake devouring its own tail. Interestingly, serpentine creatures embody chaos in a most interesting manner, seeing as in real world myth, the archetype of the primordial chaos-serpent fighting the storm-god of order is an almost universal multicultural myth.

[@EmmaCosgrove123]

I have been watching this channel for a while but I haven't commented too much. This and other videos you guys have done make me wonder if you could class people who are experts on fictional lore and mythology, historians. Forgetting that TES is fictional, this sounds like a discussion among historians and experts. My question would be, will we (or do we?) have historians that specialise in fictional lore and myth or would you just class these people as superfans? I hope this makes sense, this is coming from an aspiring historian who focuses on medieval and tudor history. Great discussion as always 😊

[@yaldabaoth2]

Well, Kings and Generals have just created the Wizards and Warriors channel and uploaded a video about Witcher's First Nilfgaardian War as if it was real history. So this is clearly something you can do. But is this a discussion among historians? It may seem that way, in fact discussions about historians aren't too different. However, the things historians talk about actually happened and if you have a theory, you can go back and try to find evidence for it. In TES "history" some dude at a Zenimax/Bethesda office just makes something up and 5 minutes later it's "lore". Every TES game has a lot of lore that contradicts other stuff, I would consider TES pretty garbage in the lore category tbh. Mostly disjuncted short stories made by different writers about the same vague topics. In fact, Fudgemuppet probably makes up better stuff in this discussion than ever occurred to the company's writers.

[@EmmaCosgrove123]

@@yaldabaoth2 Yeah I completely agree with that, i'm just wondering if you think you'd have the 'right' (Not the word i'm looking for but I can't think of a better one right now) to call yourself a 'historian of a fictional world' if such a thing would ever exist.

[@yaldabaoth2]

@@EmmaCosgrove123 I would say in theory, yes. But the history you are an expert of has to "end" first. TES is a being worked on constantly, its history changes. You cannot be a historian of that. But if we look at works like Lord of the Rings or Wheel of Time which have expansive lore but have definitely ended, why not? As long as you keep the "fictional world" part in the title. No matter how hard an author or game dev works, they cannot recreate the complexity of the real world, so their "history" is limited to the things they did think of.

[@EmmaCosgrove123]

@@yaldabaoth2 That's a great point, of course with TES, it's still ongoing and can in effect be retconned at any point, as they have done before to a certain extent. I was thinking more along the lines of Lovecraft's universe or tolkien's as you've stated 😊

[@byzantiphile7630]

You have some precedent among Tolkien fans. His lore was so incredibly rich, and to a certain degree spread out between his books, letters, and unpublished notes, that people spend years debating and piecing it together. First and foremost his son, actually.

[@quintinbotha8141]

Is there a lot of lore about direnni tower and the room that the aedra used in the tower?

[@more17]

On the topic of gods fading in and out, I think from what I remember of the lore is that Peryite might be the next kalpa's Akatosh, which is interesting and I wonder if he would keep his same sphere. Also, this is a wild idea but is it possible that the Tribunal could return in some form as gods, perhaps longer-lasting even, in a universal reset?

[@badluck5647]

Peryite seems like he is the jealous intimidation of the Time God. He sat out creation, because he wanted to be the Dragon God of Natural Order.

[@thalmoragent9344]

Nah, the Reachmen see Peryite as their "Akatosh", but if another Kalpa came about, whether or not he'd take his spot as God King would be debatable. Not only that, but I doubt they'd swap or change Spheres, those can't be changed so easily. Even Trinimac kept most of his Sphere when turned into Malacath, albeit a slight corruption of it

[@HickoryDickory86]

@@badluck5647 We don't really know much about Peryite or his origins. He may well have been a participant in the creation of Mundus; we don't know. And the Altmer don't exactly have an omniscient, exhaustive knowledge of those events, nor are they impartial, unbiased relayers of that history. Theirs is only one version of the story. What we do know is that he is the "Taskmaster" of the lower orders of Oblivion (whatever that means), and that he maintains the balance of the natural order (presumably in Mundus too, not just Oblivion). That doesn't sound to me like he is a "jealous imitation" of Akatosh but instead that he has an altogether independent agenda, and that he is quite content busying himself with his own affairs.

[@badluck5647]

@@HickoryDickory86 By the definition of deadra, Peryite was not part of creation. The proof that he has not used his power during creation of Nirn is that he can show his presence on Nirn unlike the adra. If he was content with being the Oblivion taskmaster, then he wouldn't be meddling with Lorkhan's creation.

[@drunkenkhajiit3641]

Could you make some oblivion builds? I know it’s an old game but I recently got back into it and seeing some builds for it would be neat

[@MrMokele03]

To me Xarxes always seemed closest to Dibella in terms of gods

[@paulgrattan3885]

I've assumed the Dwemer were originally a part of the Velothi and were a sect that broke away after some profound event. Someone either found something or saw something like a vision and it was enough for them to declare all the Aedra and Daedra as liars and lead their followers away. Instead of looking to gods for answers this sect decided to find the answers themselves hence their culture built around knowledge.

[@Kevc00]

Few questions do Et'ada survive the kalpic cycle? And could an Et'ada be a daedra one cycle and an aedra the next?

[@BobbJones]

Morning Elder scrolls fans!

[@eyeofgnosis558]

There was something from a Loremaster's archive that implies Dibella is perhaps what is left of the divine Y'ffre: "When I asked Mother about this apparent courtship requirement, she would say, “Jephre is the god of natural beauty. He told the tale of Creation that all may know their role and form. He blessed the Altmer and the Summerset Isles with beauty unsurpassed. He taught the birds to sing and inspired even the stars with his songs. Dibella is a poorly understood song-echo of Jephre, misinterpreted by foolish Nords who care only for the pleasures of the body and nothing of the soul. Seek Jephre's blessing and you'll find your soulmate"

[@diolaier2316]

why there is no daedric prince of stealth archer builds ???

[@pandorasbox4238]

Didn't the legends say that Atmora grew further and further away from Tamriel, until they couldn't find it anymore?

[@shadowmasterking6542]

can you remaster your NCR Ranger build

[@MLObenza]

when are we getting more AE builds?

[@johnathanmedlin312]

I have a question, just a clarification, really. Did the Lorkhan's Heart event happen just in this Kalpa? If not, how did the Dreugh (or men ir mer) survive the "End of the World" Alduin events of other Kalpa?

[@Jacob-vw4tv]

There should be a FudgeMuppet ESO guild or something even though they don't play a lot lol

[@badluck5647]

I would like to see them do a Let's Play of the Group Dungeons or Trials. While the vast majority of MMO players will just speed run through, the Fudge would actually spend the time to examine the setting and listen to the story.

[@dashiellgillingham4579]

There have been Atheist cults in the past, that fully recognized deities but were very careful about making sure their followers knew they had invented their gods. The best example is the Cult of Reason in Revolutionary France, but the classical-era Greeks did it a lot, since in their religious practices, the real universe was comprised of perfect forms that are projected imperfectly into reality, and 'gods' were just one of many ways of interpreting and sharing an understanding of the perfect forms. 'Atoms' were another, as was geometry. There's a reason they were the basis of western philosophy going forwards and not the Egyptians or Parthians, beyond Alexander's lucky conquest.

[@MrFallenangel2012]

OK, so I know I’m way late to the conversation and this podcast… But I’ve always thought of Akatosh in a similar vein to the Trimurti in Hinduism or YwYh/the Holy Trinity/Allah in Abrahamic faiths (but more so Christianity and Islam then Judaism) or possibly a mix of both (but more so the Trimurti).

[@spartanhuntergaming]

I recently got Skyrim on Xbox and downloaded some mods to it on about making some of those modded builds and even attempting to make a modded version of the Centurion where he has a companion an throws down a standard to make them stronger

[@azadisoleil6319]

I wonder what a kalpa would be like if in a certain go around, Sheogorath decides to participate in creation and be an Aedra 😂😂

[@aran.m977]

Yes Yes Yes Yes!

[@OgieSifter]

The 9 devices made me believe like they were archetypes of humanity and different cultures because Alicia created them to be easily mantled by some rite like oblivion. that divine super consciousness with disaassociative identity disorder.

[@SelphieTheNutter]

I think that's a good point Michael, when it comes to the Dwemer and their star charts, did the nedes get inspiration from them or would the Dwemer have subjugated them had they met. Personally I don't think the Dwemer would have subjugated them. In The Dwemer history books (at least the ones I've read can't speak for others) the Dwemer seem to have spent most on their time in isolation trying to discover a way to reconnect to their Divinity. The only real aggressive interaction tended to be with the Chimer/Dark Elves or other Dwemer Tribes over their Discovery's. If the Nedes had met them or at least one of them while they where outside their cities researching the meeting would have likely been alobe the lines of "what are you doing" "I am charting the corse of the Heavens, Though I do not expect someone as primitive as you to grasp such things, begon now barbarian and leave me on peace" As far as the "snakes always appear in myth as the villien" subject (I know this has nothing to do with elder scrolls but) humans have been trying to conquer control and enslave nature since the stone age and Snakes are always the one animal they cannot control, the best they've ever been able to achieve is to get the snake to tolerate their presence. Reptiles in general have always been the trouble factor when it comes to human ambition to conquer and enslave nature, they tend to live such solitary lives unless they are breeding that it makes controlling them almost if not impossible. Which is why they are peoples favourite choice for the villien when they want to frighten people with insects in second place. But they can remove the venom from a spider and make it harmless, the same can't be said for a snake, removing it's venom will meke it less threatening but it can still crush you by wrapping around you and stopping your blood circulation. People have been expecting everyone to be frightened of nature since the beginning of human history and slaughtering any who achieve coexistence with it (the norse being one of the worst criminals of this as they pretend to worship nature when in truth they worship their ego and delusional idea of being able to conquer it).

[@Scotttjt]

Pelinel Whitestrake podcast when?

[@Im_bunny01]

YESSS

[@davidmeza993]

Obviously the sea god is enjoying life as manservant/architect/capital speculator

[@ethandalton8306]

If there is enough lore on her a Potema podcast would be super cool.

[@winddunes4616]

Taheen and Kantoi wether you like it or not

[@matthewbailey3966]

You should make one last fallout 4 build, it should be the doom slayer.

[@rokturi]

i know this might be a dumb question, but are all elder scrolls games taking place in the same kalpa?

[@rozu7772]

They are.

[@nbmoleminer5051]

If the Dwemer branched of from the Velothi how could they have influenced Elder Argonian arms and armor motifs or both technologically Advanced Cultures have influenced each others metal working.

[@jmullens90]

Wonder where the guys get their information from?

[@GunGun-cf3ss]

Uesp (Unoffical Elder Scrolls Page), has all lore, books, quests etc. from all games

[@christopherjensen1864]

i want to be able to use spears in eso but i cant it sucks

[@theonlyadult7962]

New drinking game. Every time any of them say "it's interesting" take a shot.

[@arranbaker7372]

Think for a moment that perhaps the Dwemer embraced astrology etc after meeting the ancient Nedes.

[@chrispakdawg9922]

These couldn't be posted at a better time for me I work a Sunday morning shift alone in a shit office and they are usually posted as I show up

[@maxwheatley4497]

Did you know the Wild Hunt from Skyrim was inspired by the Wild Hunt from ancient mythology. Apparently there were drauger and other monsters involved in the myths

[@BabySniff]

Yup! They just celebrated this on Assassins Creed Valhalla, Odin arrives with many other Gods too hunt humans & Animals for sport. If you survive you're considered worthy of the Gods respect.

[@badluck5647]

Are we talking about the Great Hunt during the Blood Moon or the Wild Hunt of the bosmer?

[@chesterstevens8870]

Don't let any of this distract you from the fact that Balgruuf sacrificed his ex-wives and mistresses to Mephala.

[@HickoryDickory86]

Is that actually the story Bethesda intended for Balgruff, or just a fan theory?

[@GunGun-cf3ss]

And why did he do it? Because he's BALLIN

[@pedigreeann]

@@HickoryDickory86 Epic Nate did a bit on it. Offered a lot of 'suppose this' and 'suppose that' then acted as if his were the only tenable theory.

[@asraarradon4115]

Talos was the Dragonborn, which are part of Akatosh, right? So isn't Talos worship just Akatosh worship?

[@Dan-B]

I like to think of Elder Scrolls gods using shocked face thumbnails on their shrines to get followers.