Ancient Greece during the Archaic Period (750-500 BC)

[@ddwkc]

Nothing makes me happier than knowing more about people from a distant past!

[@HistorywithCy]

Me too brother, that's why I love putting these videos out for y'all. Thanks for stopping by, really appreciate it...stay safe!

[@VedanthB9]

@@HistorywithCy The best thing about your videos is that the peoples you talk about are not merely historical groups of soldiers waging wars, but actual groups of humans with deep culture, and that creates a connection with them. Thank you, and keep up the great work! If its possible for you, I'd like to request you to upload some videos of the Indus Valley Civilization, especially its connections with the Indian epic, _Mahabharata_ . This is a subject that's rarely talked about, but I think you'd be interested in it!

[@HistorywithCy]

Thanks for the feedback, really appreciate it! Sure, I'll see what I can do. I have a bunch of content on India coming up... just wondering if I should release it as separate videos or one big one. I can try to cover it in that. Thanks again for stopping by, really appreciate it! Stay safe!

[@sonoransaguaro3786]

@Dada Jung...absolutely agree!! Learning is what I live for! And Cy is SO VERY good at his videos! And check out his comrade Pete Kelly's "History Time". At times Cy writes material for Pete. His videos are very good too. Both of them are way better than most on the net!!

[@peanutbuttawaffle]

@@HistorywithCy hell yeah thank you brother

[@perceivedvelocity9914]

About three minutes in I heard the Metatron's music. I almost expected Cy to get cut off by "hello Noble ones".

[@HistorywithCy]

Haha oh really, I didn't know he uses that... I just was looking for Greek-sounding music on Epidemic sound and that's one of the tracks that came up. Thanks for stopping by, really appreciate it...stay safe!

[@WildcardASMR]

@@HistorywithCy Hehe... I too am guilty of shamelessly snatching cool-sounding Ancient Greek inspired melodies, injecting them into my videos on my history channel... Damn its good music though.

[@elizabethford7263]

as a history teacher, this covers just about all of the important foundations of ancient greece-1/2 of my monstrous powerpoint. My student and I thank you!

[@hoplite22]

Would love to see some history of the slavs and proto slavs

[@HistorywithCy]

Interesting topic, I'll look into it - have a related topic coming up soon. Thanks for the suggestion, stay tuned and safe!

[@radzewicz]

@@HistorywithCy Me also, especially the Polish and Ukraines. I started to try to learn something about these peoples but did not find much history available from before 900 AD.

[@clarenceonyekwere5428]

For a second I wondered why I’d never heard of the Ancient Greek Polis of San Diego,l.

[@HistorywithCy]

Lol yeah and the biggest of them... Los Angeles! Thanks so much for stopping by, really appreciate it! Stay safe!

[@clarenceonyekwere5428]

@@HistorywithCy great videos as always CY.

[@GRMNCVS]

Hagios Diogos

[@ioanniskolakes3248]

As a Greek, when i heard you were trying to learn our ancient language i was really suprised! We learn ancient greek from middle school and let me tell you it is hard even for us! The grammar and the syntax is really complex and in abandance. But im sure you will make it! ;)

[@HistorywithCy]

Hi, thanks so much for the comment and sorry for the late reply! Haha yeah, I think the grammar will take some time, what I want to accomplish first is the proper pronunciation of certain words, names and places as close to the original Greek as possible. Then hopefully I'll get into sentence structure and grammar. Let's see how it goes! Thanks again for stopping by, really appreciate it! More to come, stay safe!

[@ioanniskolakes3248]

@@HistorywithCy your are certainly underrated but your content is incredible! Keep up your hood work!

[@georgem7466]

Εν τω μεταξύ ρε φίλε, οι αρχαίοι Έλληνες είχαν την ίδια προφορά με εμάς όταν μιλάγανε ή όχι; Γιατί κάτι τέτοιο έχω ακούσει...

[@anotheryoutuberperson38]

I am Turkish and learned I am part Greek.

[@vangelisskia214]

"FOUR THOUSAND YEARS OF GREEK HISTORY have produced four Greek heritages, each of which has had an effect on the life of the Greeks in later stages of their history. The Hellenic Greeks received a heritage from the Mycenean Greeks, the Byzantine Greeks received on from the Hellenic Greeks, the Modern Greeks have received one heritage from the Byzantines and a second from the Hellenes.” The Greeks and their Heritage, A.J Toynbee, 1st Korais Professor of Greek Studies

[@vangelisskia214]

@Ghost Ghost "It has been reported that at the end of the 20th century some Christian Albanians still used the term "TURK" to refer to Muslim Albanians." 🤣 Matvey Lomonosov, "On Albanian Identity in the Late Ottoman Empire", Porta Balkanica, vol. 5, 2013, p.12, ISSN 1804-2449

[@vangelisskia214]

@jorgan Kharn Albania! We are talking about a modern state, which even in 2021 does not even have a proper air-force to protect its borders and sovereignty (Greece is policing Albanian airspace, but I guess you are unaware of that)! 🤣 A country whose citizens for the past 30 years just want to get out of their own land and get a different nationality! Albanians prefer to play football for the national team of Switzerland rather than their own! In Greece most Albanians are claiming to be Greeks and are usually ashamed to admit their true nationality! There was a period in which most Albanians in Greece claimed to be from Northern Epirus, (where as its well known there are hundreds of thousands of Greeks) even if in reality they came from Tirana or northern Albania. 🤣

[@vangelisskia214]

@jorgan Kharn You have obvious INFERIORITY COMPLEX, but i guess it's normal when you come from the most uncivilized and insignificant country in Europe, while your "next-door" neighbor is the cradle of civilization with the longest and most celebrated history in the whole of Europe...

[@vangelisskia214]

@Ghost Ghost "GREEKS, Persians, Chinese and Japanese could be cited as examples of ETHNIC CONTINUITY since despite massive cultural changes over the centuries key identifying components such as name, customs, language and territorial association were broadly maintained and reproduced for MILLENNIA" Anthony D Smith, Anthropologist, Emeritus professor of Nationalism and Ethnicity

[@feagal612]

Well this is a treat for a Friday night lockdown! Much love and thanks to you, brother!

[@HistorywithCy]

My pleasure and I know what you mean...I'm on lockdown here too. Thanks so much for stopping by, really appreciate... stay safe!

[@Number1Irishlad]

Saw the notification and i dropped everything and went to watch. Im so excited for more of your greek history!!

[@HistorywithCy]

Oh for sure, more Greek history coming up in the next few months. I guess that's one of the benefits of a an civilization leaving behind so much information and knowledge...people like me will make all sorts of videos about it! Lots of Greek and related history coming up, stay tuned and safe!

[@robbabcock_]

I'm fascinated by Greek history so these are very welcome videos! Thanks, Cy.🙏

[@HistorywithCy]

My pleasure, thank you for taking interest in these! More Greek history to come, stay safe!

[@mdstanton1813]

Good too see you're getting some sponsors Cy ❤

[@HistorywithCy]

Thanks, they've started to trickle in after 50k subs which is thanks to all of you! Hope all is well on your end... stay safe out there!

[@dionysise5008]

respect for the accuracy of the information shared. nice job

[@HistorywithCy]

Thanks, glad you enjoyed this! More on the way, stay tuned and safe!

[@EmpiresRediscovered]

Thanks for another video on Greece... it truly is one of the most fascinating civilizations

[@HistorywithCy]

My pleasure, thank you for stopping by! More videos on the subject coming soon, stay safe!

[@andyrickert1]

Was just saying I'd love to see this topic

[@HistorywithCy]

I got you man! More on ancient Greece on the way, stay tuned and safe!

[@MackerelCat]

Great video Cy, love this period of Greek history.

[@HistorywithCy]

Thanks, appreciate it! Yeah, it's a really interesting. More of it coming soon! Thanks again and stay safe!

[@connorgolden4]

I’m a simple man, I see a new cy video and I click on it.

[@HistorywithCy]

Simple but sophisticated! I really appreciate man, thanks so much for the support, really appreciate it! Definitely more coming up, stay safe my friend!

[@calebspain4828]

My favorite time period, the foundation of modern society. Great work, thank you from the masses

[@HistorywithCy]

Thank you my friend for stopping by and for your support, really appreciate it! History for the masses is actually one of my goals with this channel, so great to hear! Thanks again and stay safe!

[@GLeibniz1716]

Read a modern translation of the Odyssey this fall during lockdown; your vids are the perfect complement. Next up: the epic of Gilgamesh!

[@mdstanton1813]

Don't forget Herodotus (in case you haven't read his creative idea of the truth 👌)

[@HistorywithCy]

Nice, and thank you! And thanks for the reminder, I need to do something on Gilgamesh soon! I have a script almost ready, just need to record the program. Thanks again for stopping by, really appreciate it. Stay safe!

[@dersitzpinkler2027]

More great content. Can’t wait for the upcoming stuff on Ancient Greece!

[@HistorywithCy]

For sure, more on the way! Thank you, appreciate it! Stay safe!

[@Dino_Medici]

This vid is lit af thx for the content. Of course I’ve always been obsessed w the classical period. Although I’m finally starting to gain a deeper respect and reverence for the archaic period

[@arquebusierx]

I started learning Ancient Greek last year as a Covid hobby. I am far from fluent but I'm able to read Plato and Homer with a dictionary handy after a little less than a year It's a difficult language but just keep chipping at it, the payoff of reading Homer and seeing for yourself his mastery of Greek is truly incredible.

[@HistorywithCy]

Hey, thanks for the words of encouragement, really appreciate it! Yeah I've more or less got the alphabet and some vocab but I can foresee the grammar being quite difficult when I get to it. Yes, Homer and Herodotus are the two works that I really want to be able to read in the original language. Thanks again for stopping by, really appreciate it...hopefully soon I can put out videos with more Greek language in them. All the best for 2021 and stay safe!

[@starkiller9897]

Congrats as a Greek myself I really appreciate the plethora of words & adjectives in Greek that English dosen't have. So it's sometimes hard to explain to people the wonderful poetry & stories that explain things in such a vivid way!!

[@annalouux8553]

Wow incredible l'm Greek and not fluent in ancient Greek even though modern Greek language is derived from the ancient one. It's not easy for sure Kudus to you

[@giorgosgalanos9888]

Are you a native English speaking person?

[@WanaxTV]

Awesome video as always. It would be very interesting to cover Argos of the Archaic Age. They were the main power in Greece under king Pheidon. All the best.

[@HistorywithCy]

That's a good idea, I'll take a look into it! Thanks for stopping by, really appreciate it... stay safe!

[@starkiller9897]

The royal family of Macedonia, Alexander the greats direct anscestors where royalty from Argos!! They should where 3 first cousins of the King of Argos whom had a dispute over money & where banished. They went on & founded the royal family of Macedonia there's a really great story on the actual sun emblem that Alexander the Great had as his family emblem which is very much worth looking into!! Argos indeed was a major power of its day & was a great & important city way before the glory days of Athens or Sparta!!

[@2naija]

What is not said is if they met people that used to live there, when founding these settlements. When modern people often dispute that many northern africans were mostly relatively recent arrivals, its often because they have not seen topics like this.

[@Amadeu.Macedo]

Fabulous, as customary. Thanks for the upload, I adore your channel. BRAVO!

[@HistorywithCy]

Thanks my friend, really appreciate it! More to come, all the best for 2021 and stay safe!

[@bulletclub3320]

CY along with Atun-Shei Films are my favorite history youtubers.

[@HistorywithCy]

Oh man I love Atun-Shei Films, that's one of favorite channels hands down with my favorite KZbin series, Checkmate Lincolnites! I'm so honored to be mentioned in the same sentence as that channel... really, thanks for the compliment! Hope that all is well on your end and that your 2021 has started off well. More to come and stay safe!

[@bulletclub3320]

You earned it man.

[@vadergamerboss6660]

Can I ask you a question? What was the relationship like between archaic Greece and the Empires of Mesopotamia like the Assyrians and later Babylonians? Did the Assyrians ever even consider invading Greece after finishing off with the rest of Anatolia? Were the Greeks afraid of that happening or did they have a close relationship like allies?

[@HistorywithCy]

That's a really interesting question. I think we'll never really know, but from what I've studied, I don't think the Assyrians and later the Babylonians in what was to them the near future thought much about the Greek mainland. At one time the Assyrian empire bordered Phrygia and the Neo-Babylonian had contacts with Libya on the Eastern Aegean coast, so I'm sure that they knew Greeks and met them in the eastern Mediterranean in places like Cyprus or merchants, mercenaries and traders who would venture to various Phoenician ports - it's reported that there were some bands of Greek mercenaries in various Assyrian divisions - but I think that overall, even at Assyria's height when it controlled Egypt, the Greek mainland was too far for them to think about invading in the near term, assuming they really even knew of its precise location. Just my thoughts though based on what I know about Assyrian and Babylonian foreign policy. Great question though, I'd love to one day do a "What if Assyria invaded Greece" or something like that. I've often thought "What if the Achaemenids actually held onto Greece" or "What if Alexander had never invaded Persia." Stuff like this is fun to think about. Thanks again for stopping by, really appreciate it! Stay safe!

[@vadergamerboss6660]

@@HistorywithCy Thanks for taking the time to reply!

[@HistorywithCy]

@@vadergamerboss6660 My pleasure, anytime!

[@noahlogue3807]

Im so addicted to all of these videos.

[@HistorywithCy]

Thanks, glad you're enjoying these! More on the way, stay tuned and thanks for watching!

[@martindice5424]

Excellent stuff as always Cy! Keep it up mate 👍👍

[@HistorywithCy]

Thanks, glad you liked this...more Greek history on the way, stay tuned and safe!

[@domroc5776]

Nice to match the face with the voice. Love your channel, Cy.

[@HistorywithCy]

Thanks, glad you're enjoying these. Will do some more on the ancient Greek world coming up, stay tuned and thanks for watching!

[@anasevi9456]

excellent video as always, thank you Cy!

[@HistorywithCy]

Thank you, appreciate it! More on the way, stay safe!

[@adeleleone7792]

thank you very much, in a few days I have an exam in Greek history and with your videos I'm doing a great job!

[@Dino_Medici]

Just write virtue if you’re not sure on an answer LMAO

[@christopherhauser5150]

Love the video, great work!

[@HistorywithCy]

Thank you, appreciate it! Stay safe!

[@rafaelfcf]

What about the "trojans"? I've seen some documents attest some ruler named "Alexsandros" around the troiad area, or something like it, found in hittite documents, but they weren't actual hittites, were they? Do we know anything about the political/cultural status of that area during the bronze age?

[@tassiek2450]

Indeed.basically were a Greek tribe that migrated to Asia Minor.along with other Greeks.there they prosper and according to Hellenist era writers invaded Thessaly and were driven back by the father of Achilleus.what maybe happened is the Alliance with Hittites and the Thracians north of Greece.the result was like a world war of the age that culminated in the destruction of Illion,Troy.and yes all the names are Greek.the Macedonians of classical Greece have names of that period.hence Alexandros.Alexander in English.means invulnerable man.Alex and andros.

[@usharasaveen1987]

cy is the best

[@HistorywithCy]

Thank you, appreciate it! More to come, stay safe!

[@Berbabilities]

Your work is really fantastic, thank you!

[@HistorywithCy]

Thank you, really appreciate the kind words! More ancient Greek history on the way, stay tuned and safe!

[@514Exc]

Interesting how the Ancient greeks painted themselves the same color as the egyptians Yet all modern paintings of both civilizations are completely different.

[@anastasiossioulas83]

I like the fusion of πολίτης and οπλίτης into the πόλις single unit.

[@SkyFly19853]

This video deserves more like. ✅✅✅

[@megamanx466]

Commenting specifically about 'The Great Courses Plus', at $20 a month it's too much. If it was half that then I'd consider it. Other than the cost, the videos of the subjects they create are really in depth and I learned a lot about the Black Death and entire Roman Empire history that I had thought I already knew. 😃

[@HistorywithCy]

Hey, thank so much for stopping by, really appreciate it! Yeah there's some good stuff on there. They way I look at it is that if I were to actually take, say an ancient Greek language course somewhere else, even at a community college I'd probably have to pay a few hundred dollars for it. In that sense this is better for me because I can just do it whenever I want from home. Anyway, hope all is well on your end, more Greek and later Roman stuff to come (don't know about Black Death though since I'm still stuck in the ancient world), stay safe!

[@megamanx466]

@@HistorywithCy That's true, but I view that price from a hobbyist point of view. All is well here and you also! 😄

[@gputsche]

Wow! Fascinating. Thank you.

[@HistorywithCy]

Thanks man, appreciate it! Stay safe!

[@monicacall7532]

Why do so many American world history textbooks and classes gloss over Ancient Greece in comparison to Ancient Egypt and Rome? The Roman Empire benefited so much from Ancient Greece not only in the land that we call Greece but also because the Ancient Greeks had settled the southern half of Italy south of Rome and on Sicily long before Rome was an empire. So many of our words are Greek, especially scientific, medical and legal words? Thanks for your excellent videos, and most especially the ones about Ancient Greece. I’m enjoying learning all about it.

[@monicacall7532]

Sorry about the typos. Autocorrect is generally a good thing, but sometimes I loathe it.☹️

[@CharlesOffdensen]

There was probably a Mycenaean colony in Northern Italy during the Bronze age, close to the Terramare culture.

[@volodymyrcuza9994]

Thanks a lot for another great video!

[@HistorywithCy]

Thank you, really appreciate it! Hope all is well with you and stay safe!

[@fuferito]

I liked that the Metatron made a musical appearance.

[@HistorywithCy]

Haha yeah I didn't know that we used the same music. I love his channel and need to watch more of it. Thanks for stopping by, really appreciate it, stay safe!

[@yrebrac]

3:54 my impression is much warfare was motivated purely by kleos and timei, or at least continued because of it. It's natural we would relate this to less than warfare motivated by resources.

[@HistorywithCy]

Hi, thanks so much for stopping by, really appreciate it! Yes I'm sure for that too but I think they were also practical and also motivated by territorial gain and their own security. Glory of course came with that if you were the victor, and then one could justify that victory as part of some noble cause, but my opinion is that most of these conflicts, like those in ancient Mesopotamia of the time (to which I'd add order and stability) were more about protecting/obtaining food and other resources needed for survival. Just my opinion though, I could be totally wrong. Thanks again for stopping by, really appreciate it! More to come, stay safe!

[@willypooh434]

Thank you Cy, very cool video

[@HistorywithCy]

Thank you, appreciate it! Stay safe!

[@allonzehe9135]

Outstanding video.

[@HistorywithCy]

Thanks, really appreciate it! Stay safe!

[@Bulgarian021]

I liked the part about the colonies in Lybia , was great

[@HistorywithCy]

Thanks, glad that you enjoyed this! Yeah I might make a separate video on the various colonies, at least some of the more famous ones. Hope all is well and stay safe!

[@Patrick-ly5sz]

καλῶς ἐποίησας· χάριν ἔχω.

[@chalinofalcone871]

"It is the basic complex, also, of Mycenaean culture, from which the Greeks, and thereby ourselves, derived so many symbol." [The Masks of God: Primitive Mythology, Joseph Campbell, 1991, Part 2: Ch. 3- "The Culture Province of the High Civilizations"]

[@Sarke2]

Another great video Cy :)

[@YossarianVanDriver]

I'd love to see videos on the different governmental systems of different polis that emerged in this time period! One thing I'd like to bring up is I think calling the city-loyalty preventing a unified Greece an "issue" in the way it's framed here is maybe a little deterministic? After all, even if there was some sense of a common cultural identity, there had never been a unified Greece, and there wouldn't be for centuries--implying they could've united if they'd thought differently is sort of back-projecting a later concept onto a time period it doesn't apply to, I feel.

[@HistorywithCy]

Hi thanks for stopping by and the suggestion, I can definitely look into different forms of government / poles politics for sure. That would be an interesting subject. With regard to unification, yeah, I see your point and I probably should have worded or explained that better. In future I want to do one big podcast that goes into more detail, so I'll definitely do my best to address that. Thanks for your insight, appreciate it! Any other comments, suggestions, please don't hesitate to let me know. All the best for 2021 and stay safe!

[@YossarianVanDriver]

@@HistorywithCy Thanks for the thoughtful response! I look forward to all that stuff for sure.

[@kkupsky6321]

A lot of people don’t know cy is an acronym for current yesteronce.

[@perretti]

I’m always disappointed when Greek history documentaries don’t mention the most important Danoi, Danuna.

[@giorgosstamatopoulos8115]

ΔΑΝΑΟΙ = DANAE

[@xaviotesharris891]

If you've a mind to, tell us the story of Harmodius and Aristogeiton, and their role in the birth of democracy.

[@rge24491]

Love your videos, wish they were longer Mr Gangnam

[@HistorywithCy]

Haha yeah I wish I had more time to make longer videos... I have a couple of them in the works though, starting with ancient Mesopotamia. Thanks for stopping by, really appreciate it! Stay safe!

[@blackconsevative]

This is a great series!

[@chalinofalcone871]

"Although this was one of the least of the cultural effects of printing, it should serve to recall that one of the big factors in the Greek adoption of the letters of the phonetic alphabet was the prestige and currency of the number system of the Phoenician traders. The Romans got the Phoenician letters from the Greeks but retained a number system that was much more ancient." [Understanding Media: The Extension of Man, Marshall McLuhan, 1964, Ch. 11: Number]

[@Keyhan-c8c]

Great job ancient Greeks who started to write down as much as possible I want a total war game so complex with all the details and administrations and randomness of events and a huge map so you can start as one single village or nomadic tribe of just few hundreds of people. Omg I can’t wait to play a game like that!

[@magako_v.3]

Awesome!

[@magako_v.3]

@Marko Milivojević Rust Oh wow, I did not expect you to watch the same channels as I do. See you on discord then.

[@HistorywithCy]

Thank you, really appreciate! Stay safe!

[@vangelisskia214]

"GREEKS, Persians, Chinese and Japanese could be cited as examples of ETHNIC CONTINUITY since despite massive cultural changes over the centuries key identifying components such as name, customs, language and territorial association were broadly maintained and reproduced for MILLENNIA" Anthony D Smith, Anthropologist, Emeritus professor of Nationalism and Ethnicity

[@michaelrenper796]

You are grossly overestimating cultural continuity in history. AND have no idea about Persian and Chinese history, as describing either as well defined ethnicity through history is blissfully ignorant of said history.

[@vangelisskia214]

@@michaelrenper796 Have you ever heard of the term "quotation"? Do you happen to know it's meaning? Didn't you notice the brackets and the name of the author at the bottom of the posting? This is not my personal opinion, but that of a famous expert academic scholar on the field. The particular quotation is from Anthony D. Smith who was a British historical sociologist and who, at the time of his death (4 years ago), was Professor Emeritus of Nationalism and Ethnicity at the London School of Economics. He is actually considered one of the founders of the interdisciplinary field of nationalism studies, and has written several books on the subject...

[@wardafournello]

Apart from the Homeric epics, Greek mythology played an important role in the creation of a Panhellenic consciousness.

[@JenniferinIllinois]

I saw the map of southern California and thought 'Wait, I didn't know Los Angeles was a Greek polis'. LOL!!!! Nice ad seque. :)

[@HistorywithCy]

What? You didn't know of the Greek colonies in California? Haha kidding, though every year in LA they have this huge Greek festival in a place called Northridge (except for this year)...the area kind of becomes a Greek colony in a way. Thanks for stopping by, more to come, stay safe!

[@JenniferinIllinois]

@@HistorywithCy Well I expect an upcoming video talking about the Greek colony of Los Angelopolis. Hehehe...

[@artemisnite]

Why is there a Thebes in Greece and in Egypt? Surely there's some connection? Which came first?

[@wankawanka3053]

There is no connection

[@Steven-dt5nu]

I really dig your videos

[@HistorywithCy]

Thanks, glad you enjoy them! Lot's more on the way, stay tuned and thanks for watching!

[@d.m.collins1501]

If hoplites could only afford their weapons and armor because they were wealthy enough to afford these PRICEY items, did people often go broke if their spear broke or if they had to flee the battle without their shield? I know there wasn't a whole lot of upward mobility, but it seems like there would be a class of "new men" who had just gained enough prestige to become a hoplite but who would therefore be bankrupted by a single bad outcome on the battlefield.

[@HistorywithCy]

That's a good question. I think in many if not cases, hoplites were sponsored as mercenaries by various wealthy elites, and so even if they broke their spears, it was easy for them to get new ones. Relatively speaking, it wasn't the spear(s) that was expensive, but the armor and helmet - those were objects of great value and craftsmanship that were often intricately decorated and could be handed down to succeeding generations as a sort of heirloom. They also had better swords as well, so that also could have been considered an added expense that perhaps commoners couldn't afford. Thanks again for stopping by, really appreciate it! More to come, stay safe!

[@joeshmoe8345]

Thanks

[@HistorywithCy]

Thank you, appreciate it! Stay safe!

[@Charlie-ii5rr]

Love this stuff.

[@RyogaEchizen]

love this m8, thank you

[@GHST995]

Good Luck with the ancient greek! Let us know if you break linear A!

[@HistorywithCy]

Haha no, I'm staying away from Linear A and B... if I can understand Classical Greek, I'll be happy. Thanks for stopping by, really appreciate it! All the best for 2021 and stay safe!

[@drswag0076]

three years before the Greek Archaic period, Rome was founded and was ruled by Romulus which the city bares his name.

[@Agapi-dg7th]

What alphabet were using the prito gypsy indisns?

[@normanschmidt8075]

Cy, when were the 'Greeks' first referred to as the Hellenes? And is this connected to the Hellespont?

[@HistorywithCy]

Hi, thanks for stopping by, really appreciate it! Good question... I know that they referred to their land as Hellas at least since the Archaic period and the story behind it, but I don't know exactly when this name came into existence. I believed it's named after the mythical character Helle who supposed drowned there, hence the Hellespont. That's what I remember but if I'm wrong, someone please correct me. Thanks again, stay safe!

[@georgem7466]

@@HistorywithCy yeah you are right there, Helle and her brother Frixos who wanted to go to the Byzantion I think, and when flying by the today Hellespont, Helle was dropped by accident there and she drowned. The same thing counts for the Aegean Sea as well(Aegeas was the father of Theseus) or with island of Ikaria, where Ikaros was drowned near there. Sorry for my bad English, I am greek, and believe me, here in Greece we learn about Greek mythology from 3 years old so it's like a fairytale to us when we get older 😂

[@charadradam9985]

-already from the homeric period the name Hellas is connected with the area of central greece and in many cases there are many cities that are refered with the name Hellas. in those times though, homeric times, Homer names the greeks as achaeans, argaeans and danaans mainly and of course some areas had their local names. so there is no general reference about hellas. -later in the archaic period the name is used for pan-hellenic events like olympian games or even other pan-hellenic fests and the amfiktionies. yet, the names of the city-states are the main reference and the name of Hellas is only used as a production of the word for such cases and not as a total country because of course there was not a total country or a total state, but of course there were pan-hellenic fests. -already in the classical period we have the first written proves.. for example you can find in the literature ''the hellenes and the medians'' or ''some hellenic cities have been medianised (are in the side of the Medians, the persians as they called them then).. so the idea of being Hellenes of course existed already from the classical period. in the late of the classical period and the start of hellenistic period, the word is totally used and we have the known example of Isokrates and the pan-hellenic idea. -as for the name Hellas, it has nothing to do with the myth of Frixos and Helle. it has to do with the cataclysm (great Flood) of Defkalion. its like the flood of Noah. Hellen was one of the sons from that disaster and on of the genetors of the greeks according to the myth. the other one was Graecus and that is why the name Graecus and Greece is used also. so both Graecus and Hellen were persons from the mythology. i hope i helped..

[@samisiddiqi5411]

Hearing Cy say "grandkek69" caught me off guard.

[@HistorywithCy]

Oh, that's the name of one my patrons on Patreon. Thanks for stopping by, really appreciate it! More to come, stay safe!

[@سلمانقتل]

👍 good video

[@HistorywithCy]

Thank you, appreciate it! Stay safe!

[@fabiof4946]

Thank you!!!

[@HistorywithCy]

No, thank you for stopping by, appreciate it!

[@elguido]

Great video, Cy! Good luck learning ancient Greek! I also started the year learning Sumerian, but... Uffff... You can get an idea of how complicated a language is by counting how many times per lesson the lecturer apologizes on behalf of the language D= I might move into old Babylonian

[@HistorywithCy]

Thank you! Oh man Sumerian is difficult. Haha I've tried that as well with little success - I can recognize certain cuneiform symbols and words, determine some proper nouns like names of deities in a sentence etc., but would not be able to string a sentence together if my life depended on it. Akkadian, especially the Babylonian dialect, is easier - the symbols are more standardized and the sentence structure is more like other Semitic languages. Still, I'm not proficient in either of them. Hmmm... that would make an interesting program, the history and structure of these languages. Anyway, if you need some resources for learning more about these or other languages, let me know as I have a few that you might find to be useful. Thanks again for stopping by and your support... stay safe!

[@elguido]

@@HistorywithCy Some book sources would be great! For both Sumerian and Akkadian. I am currently reading "A grammar of Akkadian" by Huehnergard. Akkadian is simpler, and I mostly find the symbols on the tablets with Neo Assyrian script to be easier to discern. But Sumerian has the charm of being the oldest written language, and that is tough to ignore... You said that you are Zoroastrian, do you happen to speak Farsi by any chance? Thank you for replying to my message! =D

[@HistorywithCy]

@@elguido No problem, just sent you an email. Let me know if you didn't get it. Thanks, stay safe!

[@giorgosgalanos9888]

Are you a native English speaking person?

[@bredmond812]

I'm not really that big into Greece or Egypt compared to Mesopotamia these days because information on those two areas oversaturates the field when you are looking for material on the ancient world. But there are areas of those areas that might be interesting. For example, I am really curious about the Middle Kingdom and Second Intermediate Period of Ancient Egypt, and I can see myself taking an interest in the time of ancient greece between the bronze age collapse and the rise of the polis, as long as somebody else can spoon feed me the info.

[@HistorywithCy]

Haha then it's my job to make you interested in them... kind of the goal of this channel! No worries man, there will be plenty more dealing with Mesopotamia in future programs, just want to branch out a bit. New Kingdom is my favorite, but generally because that's when Egypt expanded into new territories and had further contacts with the peoples and empires of the Near East. Hope that your 2021 has started off well ... stay safe!

[@bredmond812]

@@HistorywithCy Thanks for working so hard. I like the New Kingdom too, but there is so much content out there that i feel like ive maxed out on what I can learn before really doing some real research. I am curious about the Middle Kingdom because it is so poorly covered on, say, youtube, and it is a period where I feel a lot happened, but it goes undiscussed. Well, when I say "Middle Kingdom", i really mean "Middle Kingdom AND Second Intermediate Period". You know, it was during that time that Mesopotamia was at a kind of interesting time. You had the whole Shamshi Adad, Hamurabi, Zimri LIm type thing going on, etc, so to have the whole picture of the civilized world at that time. The interconnectivity and the development of infrastructure and institutions is what I am interested in, and how it compares to modern times.

[@HistorywithCy]

@@bredmond812 Yeah that period is actually one of my favorites in Mesopotamia (the other being the Neo-Assyrian era). The interactions of the various kings from Babylon, Mari, Eshnunna, Larsa, the Sukalmah of Elam, Yamhad... it really plays out like an ancient Near Eastern version of Game of Thrones with eventually Hammurabi coming out on top. Politically, it was a really exciting time!

[@bredmond812]

@@HistorywithCy yes, those two periods of time are my favorites in mesopotamia as well. I wish they had a well-crafted TV drama on those periods.

[@HistorywithCy]

@@bredmond812 Yeah that would be great! Some time back, I did a video on the subject, Hammurabi Master of Mesopotamia. Here it is: kzbin.info/www/bejne/pYCvlHinhpuHa8k I might do a more detailed podcast on it in the future. Thanks again!

[@Agras14]

It is a misconception that the Greek alphabet was adopted and adapted in Magna Graecia. The Greek trade post at Al-Mina ( en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Mina ), on the Syrian coast which dates from the 9th century BCE (around the time of the first Greek alphabetic records) is far more likely as the location the Greeks were influenced at and adapted the Phoenician abjad script thus creating the first true Alphabet.

[@HistorywithCy]

Hi, thanks for stopping by, appreciate it. Yes, I've heard of this site with regard to Assyrian texts and the possibility of "westerners" who are called "Yamanaaya" or "Yamnaya" in Akkadian and later Babylonian texts that some people believe may have been Ionion Greeks. However, in archaeology, there has to evidence of a link. While what you say about al-Mina may be possible, there is no evidence to confirm it. Just saying that Greeks may have been there in the 9th century BC does not prove that they necessarily used, let alone brought back the alphabet with them. You and I can both travel to an exotic place whose language or some new technology we may have never come across, but that doesn't necessarily mean that we bring it back with us and spread it's knowledge to our own people. My point is, there has to be some concrete evidence of a link, not just our ideas and theories. Thanks, stay safe!

[@bosertheropode5443]

Something about the nordic bronze age, like Hallstatt in Austria, the nebra sky disk or ancient scandinavia would be very nice in my opinion

[@HistorywithCy]

Yes, I hope to be able to cover that one day... really interesting stuff! Thanks for stopping by, really appreciate it. Stay safe!

[@monicacall7532]

Yes, that would be wonderful. All of my ancestors come from Denmark, England and northern Germany. I’ve had a big challenge trying to find good information about the people who settled in these places and their cultures. Is it true that Germany was originally settled by people of the Iberian Peninsula who moved north?

[@berniemaopolski4870]

Great!

[@HistorywithCy]

Thanks, really glad you enjoyed it! Thanks also for stopping by and stay safe!

[@golgumbazguide...4113]

Explore Golgumbaz with Guide Jahangir ,South India 🇮🇳

[@nikos4677]

I am watching this video because iamwriting exams in some hours and i hope this helps

[@alessiorenzoni5586]

🇬🇷The name given in Western languages ​​to the most strictly peninsular part of the current Balkan Peninsula derives from the denomination of Graeci, under which the Romans (like the Italics in general) knew its inhabitants in historical times. The origin of this ethnic group is not entirely sure, some connecting it, on the basis of a passage of Aristotle that reflects ancient etymologies, with the supposed Γραικοί inhabitants in the surroundings of Dodona in Epirus, others with the inhabitants of Γραῖα, name of two towns , in Boeotia and Euboea. Entirely distinct is the name of Hellas (‛Ελλάς, ethnic" Ελληνες) with which the ancient Greeks called their homeland, and which, at first specific to a small region of Thessaly, then extended in degrees, some of which can be found ( Hellas and Argos, in the Odyssey), to the whole peninsula inhabited in ancient times by the Greeks. The two names Hellas and Greece thus coexisted throughout ancient times, one in indigenous usage, the other in Latin, except the official name of Greece when it became a Roman province, which was Achaea. Then the second was maintained geographically and culturally throughout the Western Middle Ages, and is still in force today in the languages ​​that drew it from Latin (Grèce, Griechenland, Greece). darkened and decayed with the extinction of ancient civilization, replaced in places by Romania, which reflects the Roman imperial continuity in the Byzantine denominations; the name of Ρωμαῖοι in Byzantium itself, Rūm in the Muslim Near East, united the Byzantines all , and the inhabitants of the land that once belonged to the Hellenes. The ancient glorious name rose again with the rise to freedom and state unity of the neo-Greek nation, which as a symbol of alleged traditional and ethnic continuity took the official name of ‛Ελλάς and the ethnic name of" Ελληνες; renewing, with a geographically expanded content after the Balkan wars and ethnically very complex and modified for centuries, the ancient indigenous denominations.

[@honeysucklecat]

Corinth is famous for its rich leather car seats

[@vegapunk100]

i want an histoical war game on the archaic greek period pretty bad

[@HistorywithCy]

That would be cool for sure... like a special Archaic Greece mod for Total War or something like that. Thanks for stopping by, really appreciate it...stay safe!

[@vegapunk100]

@@HistorywithCy yeah I trust modders more than CA they'd probably flop a new game like Troy & your welcome thx for the great content.

[@muskyoxes]

Main takeaway: is that really how you pronounce Cyrene?

[@HistorywithCy]

Hi, thanks for stopping by, really appreciate it. I believe so... the ancient Greek name is Κυρήνη which is where I got the pronunciation from. More to come, stay safe!

[@reginaldbauer5243]

@@HistorywithCy my comments keep getting deleted on your channel. I would like to share some entymology about some Greek words in your videos but youtube keeps deleting it. Where can I send my comment to you?

[@HistorywithCy]

@@reginaldbauer5243 Hi thanks for stopping by, appreciate it. I might be marking them as spam if there are links, which it often does. You can post without a link or email me at historywithcy at gmail etc. Thanks!

[@kaarlimakela3413]

We've looked at tyranny from both sides now 🎶🎶🎶 😁 I like that you bring forth details that people naturally might wonder, like how people lived, and what they would feel was normal. Off topic, Cy if you see this ... I wonder if you have seen these guitar players. Saw a brief bit on a clip ... The musicians whose people I think are still mobile, between the Sahara desert and the Mediterranean. Anyway the thing is, their traditional music sounds pretty much like jazzy rock guitar. And they oh yeah! I remember now. Their people used to be big in the slave trade ... So that is how this sort of music got here in America, through slaves who picked up this style in their otherwise dreary travels ... Allegedly ... I have to poke around for that 🤔

[@HistorywithCy]

Hmmm, interesting. Do you know the name of the group or artist? There's this video that the channel Geography Now put out about metal from around the world. At the time I checked out every band/artist they listed I remember my favorite were the African metal banks. Not really jazzy or bluesy but really unique. Here's the video if you want to check it out: kzbin.info/www/bejne/Y4O0YXSobMR_o6c Thanks again for stopping by, really appreciate it... stay safe!

[@kaarlimakela3413]

@@HistorywithCy It's more of a style, a cultural thing Taureg,, Turig people? I will check.

[@SkyFly19853]

Btw, I have a question which is about Ancient Egypt: What was the name of the ancient tribe that found the Ancient Egypt ?

[@kkupsky6321]

If it weren’t for those Carthaginian messes. I sacrificed my one son to Baal and still drought. That’s when I heard the good news. Jupiter is where it’s at.

[@billsmart2532]

Seems like in the US we are now experiencing a government of rival oligarch parties, vs intermittent tyrants…

[@hermescarraro3393]

Isn't it hironic that, despite being the civilisation that brought back the written tongue in the west, we still know so little about the Phoenicians? Yeah... Kinda sad. anyways. *HAPPY NEW YEAR CY!* Let's hope things will get slightly better this year. Good video as always. Ancient greece does not entise me that much... especially the arcaic period, since it's literally the early bronze age 2.0... But whatever. That MY problem. I'll be ready for the next uploads Have a good day.. 👏

[@HistorywithCy]

Yeah Phoenicians are cool, will do more them soon, hopefully lesser known aspects of their civilization. Haha it's all good, I'll get back to other ancient areas soon. Hope that your New Year went well and as always, thanks so much for stopping by. Oh, and will respond to your other comments as soon as I can, haven't forgotten just been surprisingly super busy lately. Stay safe my friend!

[@hermescarraro3393]

@@HistorywithCy Well. That's really kind of you! But I don't think you should feel some kind of "obligation" to do so... Thanks a lot tho. I really appreciate it. 👏

[@t.e.c1.914]

muchas gracias por el video, se les agredace unos likes si les dijeron q lo hagan en una clase de ingles :)

[@juandavidlopezastudillo5563]

hi is better if your work bruu

[@nomanor7987]

Can the Greeks pre-alphabet adoption and the Greeks post-alphabet be even considered the same people?? If you adopt the Semitic Phoenician alphabet is there not a break with your ancestors? I mean look at the Chinese, they maintained their unique character writing system invented by themselves so they are the same people after all these millennia. I just can’t help but think something has been lost with the abandonment of Linear B.

[@vangelisskia214]

"The Homeric poems were first written down in more or less their present form in the seventh century B.C. Since then GREEK HAS ENJOYED A CONTINUOUS TRADITION DOWN TO THE PRESENT DAY. Change there has certainly been. But there has been no break like that between Latin and Romance languages. Ancient Greek is not a foreign language to the Greek of today as Anglo-Saxon is to the modern Englishman. The only other language which enjoys comparable CONTINUITY OF TRADITION is Chinese." Browning 1983, p. vii: Medieval and Modern Greek Robert Browning Cambridge University Press, Aug 18, 1983

[@vangelisskia214]

Albanian? Turk? Bulgaropaeonian? Either way your INFERIORITY COMPLEX towards the Greeks is pretty obvious...

[@ΣτράτοςΤσουκάρης]

So, modern day post-Soviet States that have changed several times their writing system may have had a break off with their ancestors? Is this what you mean? Turkey changed its writing system, too. Chinese are a group of ethnicities (Han, Manchu, Oyghurs, Mongols, and many others), with different language varieties/dialects (Mandarin, Cantonese, etc), some not mutually intelligible. Languages evolve, even with a stable writing system. Since the disappearance of Linear B natural changes took place until the new alphabet was introduced, so, it wasn't the change the reason to lose anything; it was the best way to promote the literacy and to record history,, but myths as part of spoken history still survived and were some of the connecting fibers to the ancient past, to which Ancient Greeks saw no break of continuity; in fact, they used those myths to deal with contemporary issues, through theater.

[@wankawanka3053]

They are the same people a different writing system doesn't change anything in fact the people of arcadia had the closest dialect to Mycenaean greek

[@wankawanka3053]

So are mongolians also not the same people as old Mongolians ???

[@cyan1616]

lol after listening to this someone would think you are talking about certain modern day countries.😂

[@thibautnarme6402]

I downvoted this one, because I see many problems in your talking points: - Foremost, you deal with Greece rather than Greeks, Greece or Hellas as territories (like Egypt or Persia) are post-Hellenic period constructs, these didn't exist in the mind of the Archaic Spartan, Athenian or Corinthian - You attribute the sense of belonging to Greek civilization to the Iliad and Odyssey, this is assuming a lot of impact for a literary work (on the same magnitude as the Bible or Quran I suppose). When we know that identity emerges in part by contact with 'others', the so-called barbarians, in part in the colonial experience (that you have omitted here, I assume for a future video), and in part by sharing common practices (more than beliefs), like Delphi and later Olympia. - You deal with Greeks as if it was a land civilization (like Egypt or Babylon) when it was foremost a sea culture (like the Phoenician and Carthage) where polities where islands next to each other with very little hinterland (which was true for both so-called 'mother cities' and 'colonies'). This means that the polities were not 'centers' surrounded by a peripheries like one could see with Rome or later European colonization, they were in networks (of goods, people, religious practices, intellectual and experts), hence why colonies were mostly independent. - I have no source to counter the proposition thar Dark Age war was handled with cavalry, but it sounds very dubious (not really conductive of the terrain, and why not levy the whole society to defend it against aggressors?), I assume it comes from a Classical source and it has in fact very little bearing in archeological evidence. you should give a look at Malkin for more and better insight, especially if you come to deal with the 'colonial era'.

[@HistorywithCy]

Hi, thanks for stopping by and your comments, really appreciate them as it’s great to hear what others think. I understand your position, but keep in mind that this is a rather general video for those who may not know much on the subject but would like to learn more; I usually put more detailed content into podcasts, which I hope to have rather soon on Greek history. With regard to Greece rather than Greeks, yes, I am using what your refer to as post-Hellenic constructs because we’re talking about the land, people, culture and ideas as a whole, not specifically Athens, Sparta, Corinth, Argos and necessarily how they saw themselves. In future, I will do separate programs on Athens, Sparta, Corinth, Rhodes and some of the Ionian cities. With regard to the information and sources, you can check those out using the link in the video description. This is all pretty standard stuff that we learn in universities here in the US. I understand that not everyone may agree with it and that’s fine, but honestly, there are no surprises or revolutionary hypotheses in this video, rather all conventional information (some might even think of it as dull) that can be found in most books on ancient Greek history and civilization. Again, you can check the sources on the channel website (link in description). Everything can be found there. Thanks again for stopping by and your comments. If fact, I'll still give you a thumbs up because I really do appreciate hearing from all of you, even if it's critical of the content. If you have any other questions or concerns, please don’t hesitate to let me know. All the best for 2021 and stay safe!

[@henkstersmacro-world]

👍👍👍

[@HistorywithCy]

Thank man, appreciate the thumbs up! Hope all is well with you and stay safe!

[@Dino_Medici]

Damn man while I’m watching this I’m like wtf I am such a bitch for not knowing Greek - And then you drop the commercial for great courses plus 💀

[@pandakicker1]

Learning Greek is so fun! If you have a true desire to learn it, I highly suggest you start now! I love learning it!

[@Dino_Medici]

@@pandakicker1 I have been studying aesthetics a lot lately and actually started bookmarking every Greek and Latin word of interest I come across. I’ve also been using Greek, Latin, Sanskrit, and Chinese words in my short stories and poetry 🤓

[@kw19193]

Most Bronze Age warfare, and even later, were not, as you said, clashes between mounted warriors. Calvary were there of course but it was never the central force in pre-Archaic era armies. Too, the rise of the Greek alphabet is more complicated than saying it was just a derivation of the Phoenician alphabet - Linear A and especially B are now accepted as pre-Phoenician examples of written Greek. Regardless, enjoyed the video. Cheers!

[@wanderingRebel69]

I have come .......... to see watcha doing with greece

[@HistorywithCy]

Thanks for stopping by, really appreciate it! A lot more on ancient Greece to come, stay safe!