Ancient Irish writing - the Ogham stones in Múscraí

[@jules0X]

Oof. What I would give for a wander over the countryside with you! What a wealth of information and history! Thanks for sharing

[@johnemmons9087]

That was awesome! Thank you!

[@CelticBearWoman]

Amazing, thank you.

[@Survivethejive]

you live in a nice place!

[@pacary13]

Tomas, thank you for these wonderful video stories. You're filling in the missing bits where my nana either couldn't remember or didn't think I was old enough to follow - which is probably true. This settles it, I'm off again to Ireland for my next birthday in April 2022 to explore even more. Moran taing gu dearbh!

[@macaedha]

Dia duit a Tomas, I recall being told that two of my school master's Gerry Hicks (my English teacher) and William O Riordan an elderly mathematics teacher both Irish scholars found that ogham was a series of musical notes, today I have my/our surname as Ogham on a tee shirt, take care, Marcas.

[@blueocean2510]

Coding, may be similar to Ancient Chinese.

[@rudrani108]

Thank you so much, Tomas, for sharing your knowledge and your enthusiasm for Irish culture. It was lovely to be included on this field trip to such a numinous site, very much off the beaten path. Mysterious and mystical!

[@Liminal-Galaxy-System6819]

How fascinating!! It's amazing that even today, with all our advancements in technology and science, that there still exists some mysteries that will stay just that. :3 (On a side note: the scenery is stunning!!!)Thank you so much for sharing this!!!

[@yoyoholck]

Chelsea Riggs its only a mystery to the public. our origins and culture was destroyed, stolen and kept from us. not just Ireland but all the cultures in the world who once lived in tribes and in harmony with nature.

[@rodneystevens8325]

Fascinating history as well as social commentary. Much appreciated. Your hard work and ability to communicate the different aspects of the stones and their place in Irish history is a blessing. Thank you ever so much.

[@StandingStonesHealing]

Thank you for bringing us to this lovely spot. Best wishes!

[@Mrcool12684]

dude this is the best Ogham lesson ive seen! Love the vid my man, i love hearing about my ancestors thank you for this teachings from the US!

[@ryanhagan4660]

Don't think most people realize how much ancient ireland were in to stone art I believe they had great skills at it they made art work on smallest of stones basically little pepple's think so many years of acid rain etc ruined them.great to see a video on this topic.

[@mariaceciliaparrales2153]

Very nice, It certainly makes the most sense that Ogham was created by Ogma. Since he is said to be a champion of well everything lol. His European counterpart sounds to be a latinizing of his name to me. Sort of like my own name Maire Mary Marie Or in my case Maria. Please don’t be offended I am having fun. I enjoyed your video very much thank you for your very good effort well worth the watch

[@KaePx3]

Thank you for all of this amazing information!!!

[@MsCAThrash]

I very much enjoyed your wisdom...hope you come back.

[@GDNPB]

I see many character's and faces in the stones.... the most obvious being the face on the top left stone on the screen its seen at many time like around 8min mark. thank you

[@crystalorrah9010]

I am so happy to be getting this information! Thank you!

[@AmineABISOUROUR]

Hi Tomas Thank you so much for sharing this knowledge. The name Ogma reminded me of wisdom in Arabic : hikma حِكْمَة

[@lolzkai]

Wish you'd make more videos. Your stuff is always top notch.

[@cutsrosescents4950]

Apparently we have examples of this script on stones in New England. The Algonquain Indian knew of it from visitors.That made their houses underground. Many Algonquain words are the same and same meaning as pre Celtic or Celtic. They built stone circles in New England also.

[@billnicks2362]

no, you don't. There is literally no Ogham in New england

[@luketracey3269]

bill nicks There is Ogham in west virginia. Dna testing was done on skeletal remains at the site and proved the individual was european. Not sure why archealogist desperately try to discredit the overwhelming evidence that europeans arrived to North America first. The Windover bog bodies in Florida are also a clear indication of Celtic people living in North America well before our history books aknowledge. Dna testing at that site proved they were unrelated to known indigenous tribes in the area;) 🍀

[@julesgosnell9791]

@@luketracey3269 I'm cynical. Please either post definitive evidence - i.e. a link to a peer-reviewed site with pictures of North American Ogham and similar backup for your claim that European DNA has been found in ancient North American remains (there are simpler solutions to your Windover claims than crossing the Atlantic) or desist from making unsubstantiated claims - Thx - looking forward to seeing the evidence for myself.

[@shadowhunter6873]

Wow, this is so interesting and amazing! I hope we can preserve things like these. By the way, I LOVE where you live; beautiful place!

[@caitriona6012]

Ar fheabhas! Perhaps the stones mark where the people have died, rather than the burial site? So happy to have found this, I really love our history and language and it seems like no one else is bothered with it! Go raibh míle maith agat. Also, can i ask are you just simply knowledgeable in the folklore out of interest or have you studied it?

[@tomasohaodha1078]

Hi Caitríona! I agree with what you say about the stones being perhaps a marker for where somebody died, or something else important happened. The 4th to 6th centuries were a time of huge change in Ireland, and perhaps the 'old order' was aware their way of life was disappearing, and thought it important to mark it... I've always been interested in mythology and fantasy, but really only started learning about Irish and Celtic mythology and history when I was living in America for a few years. I live in Ireland now, and I also took the opportunity to study as a mature student in University College Cork, where I complete my master's degree in Early and Medieval Irish a couple of years ago. Glad you like the video!

[@finneire2081]

Caitríona yes many of these stones in Leinster do actually Mark the burial site of kings one example is one near mullamast co Kildare is said to mark the burial place of king of a Munster army who was killed during their defeat by the men of Leinster

[@CCc-sb9oj]

Hehe, there's one near where I live in Clare/Tipp marking the grave of a Leinster king ambushed by Munster soldiers payed by Brian Borus wife. 'Graves of the Leinstermen' the place is called.

[@ChelseaH1]

What a magical place to live.

[@merkypondwater]

Good work! Thank you for a good start for my research.

[@tomasohaodha1078]

Good man Merky, hope you get on well :)

[@36isnotold]

Interesting again the patterns on ogham paper...why are some circular spiral or square spiral? It’s on many of the stones too. Egyptian pyramids have that too.

[@nancyrode9781]

🎶 love all this info.😄

[@nancyrode9781]

lovely walk

[@FaunaFae16]

Can you please make a video just going through the pronunciation of the Ogham alphabet, there are not simple videos on how to pronounce each letter and Id really like to learn

[@juliabreeze]

This is so cool!

[@tomasohaodha1078]

Glad you like it Julia!

[@alertedcoyote7892]

Good video! You often see that these sorts of stones which have, as you rightly put it, the genitive case of the name, are not necessarily marking a thing that belongs to someone, but instead a land... My best guess is that each one is a claim against a plot of land, be it a larger familial claim on the bigger stones, or a smaller personal claim (maybe inheritance) on the smaller.

[@wudangboy]

thouroughly enjoyed that ! it was excellent !

[@kurtbogle2973]

I think that the Irish intelect is a interesting thing. I see a lot more potential than is being taking advantage of! Look at Irish Mythology! The product of very intelligent minds. Theres no reason on Earth that the Irish can't contribute more in the intellectual arena. You certainly have the brains for it. I love the Irish. The mystery and intrigue of the Irish is a very attractive thing.

[@time4uwithmariaiona683]

Loved this thank you 👍

[@markc1234golf]

Germans had runes like that. They have diminutives such as "chen" and "lein" and 4 cases that change adjectives etc in the Genitive Accusative Dative and Subjective cases maybe there is a correlation there

[@user-ky6vw5up9m]

machc1234golf the Irish word for Secret is “Rún”

[@Synchronicety]

@@user-ky6vw5up9m that's interesting! When i watch these things, i think Sean Hross wasn't that wrong at all. In germany there are celtic stone crosses too but because of this nazi shit this sign is vorbidden here.

[@peteodonnell6219]

Great stuff thank you. I think it was prior to Rome, We have them in wales scotland cornwall. I dont if there are any in England. I would love to hear also, if they also have them in france and spain. , I think its possible the early ministers knew it , as the Culdees were a bunch who were adopting christianity from the old druid system. but dating is difficult as we have picitish stones with ogham

[@billnicks2362]

there is a couple in England I believe, none in france or anywhere else

[@peteodonnell6219]

@Searlait Loughlin Yes indeed We have Pict stones also, which are different.

[@roicervino6171]

Excellent! I'm subscribing!

[@tomasohaodha1078]

Thanks Roi - I'll work on those subtitles :-)

[@waynemcauliffe2362]

Thanks mate

[@oisinolochlainn4437]

Wow, an-spéisiúil

[@matthewm2095]

Awesome! I have an Ogham Tattoo of my Surname, Irish of Course!

[@alicastro3777]

Matthew Muldoon - I also have an ogham tattoo of my name but it’s spelt wrong but nobody would know

[@chalinofalcone871]

"Literacy remains even now the base and model of all programs of industrial mechanization; but, at the same time, it locks the minds and senses of its users in the mechanical and fragmentary matrix that is so necessary to the maintenance of mechanized society. That is why the transition from mechanical to electric technology is so very traumatic and severe for us all. The mechanical techniques, with their limited powers, we have long used as weapons. The electric techniques cannot be used aggressively except to end all life at once like the turning off of a light. To live with both of these technologies at the same time is a peculiar drama of the 20th century." [Understanding Media, Marshall McLuhan, 1964, Ch. Weapons]

[@michswags]

It was the large..wide..and magic of the way people perceived and maybe magnified..passed down and BELIEVED it all and WHO KNOWS..Im Dutch Irish and Puert Rican ...my grandmother from Clonbara...and I believe everything she initiated me in as if it were DOGMA... :) ...Thankyou for an informative video my comment may be the worlds longest run on sentence lol

[@jericohen120]

Such arrangements of Ogham mark lands belonging in the 4 directions as far as a man could walk from sunrise to sunrise. Perhaps if you did this with the land owner's permission of course - other Ogham inscribed markers could be located. Ogham is the Mathematical and Musical Fire Flame Language of God. The other 4 consist of glyphs of varying complexity. Every leaf of every tree produces a distinct music. The trees of the name on the stone define those in abundance on the land. On a personal note I wish to thank you for your informative video. JeriGale Cohen Fitzgibbon Shane

[@mushroomsandsidhe]

Very informative. :)

[@guyhogan4882]

I wonder if perhaps they express ownership of their names. Thus the apostrophe, the Celt celebrated death. They called death the land of the living, if I'm not mistaken.

[@judocombination1878]

Awesome :DDD

[@jonsmith9379]

Very nice and informative. Do you link the Ogham with an Irish calendar/tree to be honored per lunar cycle? I'd like to know which calendar is the true, most accurate calendar which may help round out my pagan practices.

[@billnicks2362]

the ogham calendar is not real

[@timflatus]

Just enough information to drive a curious person crazy. Indeed, I've been studying Ogham for 30 years. Forgive me if this sounds daft (I'm English) but I have recently realised that I don't stand a hope of properly understanding them unless I learn Irish. I was hoping for some pronunciation guidance, but it seems that everyone is a bit shy of sticking their neck out on that one.

[@joelmilburn6146]

Hi can I contact you about a stone tablet somehow? I have a question you may be able to answer?

[@tomasohaodha1078]

Hi Joel, of course, just send me an email at tomas saoleile.com. If I don't know anything about it myself I might be able to put you in touch with the right people...

[@NotAnAngryLesbian]

My intuition tells me that in the instances of the genitive being used as in this video that it marks the persons place. Mary’s place.

[@daveb5041]

Its also suspected that we get ohms(ogham's the genitive case) law from ogham. E=IR the ancient people of ireland realized that voltage could be found by multiplying current times resistance. Its all over stones in northern ireland from about 600 CE.

[@markc1234golf]

Also the Ogham correlates to the Zodiac and the Precessional cycles of the sun

[@billnicks2362]

nope

[@cynhanrahan4012]

Cill Abban?

[@bluerainbow956]

Howdy from Essex England. So this is a grave of a Druid?

[@billnicks2362]

no

[@bluerainbow956]

bill nicks Thanks Bill

[@b_ks]

So ogham doesn't predate roman occupation?

[@karenbartlett1307]

Hey, you're a distant relative of Hughey, my mother's maiden name!

[@terryernest6264]

How about this ogham predates Latin ...Latin was developed from ogham that was brought to the early Greeks from the same Viking trade routes by their ancestors ... so that would mean Ireland was one of the first centres of cultural in the world, where they invented written word, farming, and metal work ... ships across to Wales and Scotland then on to Brittany and Scandinavia through to the med.

[@billnicks2362]

I would suggest getting all that nonsense out of your head, and reading a book....or 10

[@terryernest6264]

bill nicks ...I would have thought ( because I do think for myself, and don't always just rely on the present narrative) that ogham is related to runes ... Since runes are a more developed written language than ogham, it must predate the runes ... and since some of the oldest buildings are in Ireland it's obvious that is where the culture spring flowed from ... Your books won't tell you that ... !

[@billnicks2362]

@@terryernest6264 just because something is older or more advanced doesn't mean it's connected. And they date to around the same period when they start appearing on stone, in fact the runes technically pop up on stones before Ogham (and there is zero proff that it was used before then). "most of the oldest buildings are in Ireland"... By this I assume you are referring to Newgrange etc? Which aren't even close to the oldest in the world, and are not exclusive to Ireland since the building techniques likely came from elsewhere. Ogham is NOT in any way, shape or form connected. I have worked with the stones as well as every form of the Irish language to emerge after them and while on some level I commend you thinking for yourself, that should still be based on having some level of knowledge in the area in question. Your logic as to why they are connected is severely flawed

[@terryernest6264]

bill nicks ... suppression by the Catholic church for a thousand years means that the archaeology needs to be reassessed in Ireland, it was always been in the business of playing down the pagan finds ... there is a lot of political gain in europe for saying it all started there... It all depends on who's doing the dating ...look at the interpretation of Cheddar man and how that has been used !

[@Jyromi]

Om or um?

[@neillph]

see the Roman god Silvanus and its marking fields with 3 stones !!!boundaries....

[@tomasohaodha1078]

Fascinating Robert - I hadn't known about Silvanus.

[@jasamkrafen]

great episode Tomas!!

[@spiritualguidance8483]

Is their an Ogham calendar?

[@billnicks2362]

no, there isnt

[@kurtbogle2973]

Anyone interested in Druids and such. Should kick back against a old oak tree. Imagine your a above ground root on the tree. Then don't think! Meditate . You can do this a lot with no results. You only need to be successful once. When it happens, your connected spiritually to the Tathua de dannan. You will think your losing your mind, but your getting a lot of information in a very short time. You may find that your a reincarnated Druid. Then life gets interesting. The day of the Druid is actually just beginning!

[@michelleslate9967]

the stones are bones. almost all stone are bones. the stones are named for whomever the bones belonged to.

[@JohnCraig007]

Guire maith agat a Thomais!

[@n.lightnin8298]

Looks like proto-Phoenician especially the "Ea"

[@panzerlieb]

N. LiGHTNiN interesting but the time line doesn’t fit. Phoenician was dead and gone for centuries by the time Ogham first started to appear. Not ruling out some inexplicable resurrection of the writing system but it seems unlikely.

[@brianwhelan5382]

Wasn't the Irish language the first indo European language to be written down in proper grammatical manner?

[@persianfantasy2070]

:O

[@anthonyokonkwo6251]

It’s African and exists in many areas there.

[@billnicks2362]

no, it's not, cop on

[@seantheguy1391]

Your name is in Irish Gaelic is it not?

[@tomasohaodha1078]

Yes it is - I live in an Irish speaking area, and many people here have Irish Gaelic names. Can cause a bit of confusion if someone not used to the language tries to read it! (It's pronounced Tom-aws O hAY by the way!)

[@turtleswim05]

We now know the picts looked like the melanesian people alive today

[@bobsaget8123]

"Fenius" Farsaid, have you heard of the berla Fene? Phoenicians and Celts traveled around the Alps to the gates of Rome, do you mean to tell me that the Phoenicians didnt remain with the Celts? They were the same people, in fact the Milesians of "Miletus" were also Phoenicians who created the alphabet, of course they had an alphabet, they just didnt have any vowels to the Greeks later created them. Every European language is related to Hebrew or Phoenician and were "phonetic" languages with different alphabets. Read "An Essay on the Antiquities of the Irish Language" then you will know why Gaelic or Kellic language and history is so secretive.

[@CCc-sb9oj]

Cad 'na thaobh ná fuil blas binn Corcaigh agat? Agus tú i do chónaí ar Mhúscraí agus Gaelainn agat fiú! (Ní rabhas ar Mhúscraí ach tá muinteartha agam le daoine timpeall an chontae agus is breá liom a mblas)

[@xotan]

Gaeilge na Mumhan agat! Is breá liom sin!. Sin í an chanúint a d'fhoghlaim mé nuair a bhí me an-óg - 4 b d'aois. Is cuimhin liom fós é.

[@julesgosnell9791]

I'm cynical about Ogham being invented by Christians who wanted their own writing system for Irish, If the Roman alphabet was suitable, they would have used that - as it is used today. If they thought that they could do better, then there would be no straightforward transliteration from Roman to Ogham. It is almost as if someone came back to Ireland with news and an understanding of what an Alphabet was and why you would want one but could not remember the letters. So, they built a new 'clean-room' alphabet. Then having thought it was a great idea to start with, only ended up using it, for the most part to write names on monuments. Perhaps general Ogham literacy never got much further than learning to write your own and maybe your parents' names...

[@julesgosnell9791]

I've had a cup of tea and crumpet and I'm now ready to take my own shot at this: The Irish knew all about the Roman Alphabet and realised that they could benefit from it's use but they were either Politically (domestic use of a Roman technology would have been unpopular) or Superstitiously (perhaps they worried that writing their own name in a Roman script would in some way give the Roman's power over them) or both plus... unable to take advantage of the idea in its native form so they did produced their own version based upon in but looking very different.... - I suppose this is close to the "Christians wanting their own writing system for Irish" but I prefer my idea :-)

[@garrettflanagan6451]

Harappan Civilization

[@Mrcool12684]

I want to find an Irish or Welsh wife someday!

[@alwayslearning7672]

I think the Irish Language should slowly go through another change. Mainly Phonetic!.It's a disaster at present thanks to Latin but it should be made more phonetic and thus easier to read and learn.Just my opinion.

[@WerwolffuhrerAdolphus]

Ogham is medieval not ancient and the druids used the Greek alphabet.

[@RetroFan]

This is why the preservation of your people, culture, history is very important. I'm against forced multi-culturalism. Globalization is a threat. Forced diversity is immoral. Japan wouldn't be the same without its pride.

[@berphilbuonfilius5728]

The language encoded in the ogham inscriptions is igbo language. Yes, you were able to transcribe the alphabets, but not to make any meaning out of them. The words transcribed from all ogham known so far, has never made any meaning in any known language of the world but the ancient Igbo language. The stone inscriptions are Igbo proverbs and idioms, some of them still used in Igbo land till date. The ogham has no connection whatsoever with the native Celtic language, it is much older than it, those who wrote them lived in ireland before the genetic ancestors of today's Irish people appeared in the land. According to indigenous tradition of Isles, they were black African dwarfs and magicians. Consult Prof. C. O. Acholonu.

[@bano363]

Léacht den chéad scoth a chara. Grma.

[@UGOEBENAJA]

Ogham is an Igbo last name. You Irish people couldn't translate the Ogam stones. Catherine Acholonu was able to translate the stones. RESEARCH: Igbo-Ogham-Stones. Remember, Africans were the first people in this world. Ire backwards Eri = the founding father of the Igbo people. Umu eri = aguleri Igbo gave the world languages. Give us our credit.

[@billnicks2362]

fuck right off. Amadán

[@lynnsanders8407]

C 9;)£

[@ronanoloingsigh5251]

We wuz kangz n shiettt

[@mythrartartgroup8884]

I know them because I have seen them, but not in the Irish isles. your scholars should take a look where Irish people actually came from. instead of stupid biblical stories. where ever your ancient DNA is from, your language, your culture, your original ideas is originated, instead of chasing your own tail in Ireland and Bible.

[@anthonyokonkwo6251]

Ogham writing isn’t indigenous to you.

[@billnicks2362]

yes, it is.It was brought everywhere else from Ireland