Lord of Spirits - The Devil(s) [Ep. 94]

Christian tradition refers to “the devil” or “the evil one,” but is this one being? What about (the) Satan -- or Samael, Mastema, and Azazel? Join Fr. Andrew and Fr. Stephen as they have a look at the wickedest of the wicked.
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Lord of Spirits - The Devil(s) [Ep. 94]
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[@ericaskinner5833]

Thank you, fathers for this podcast. I am learning so much and I enjoy every second of these programs. Keep up the great work!

[@thomaslawson7469]

Fr. Stephen! Fr. Andrew! You know you guys have made it when you’re getting some comments essentially telling you to “shut up and dribble”! 😂😂😂 I love the show more with each episode. Keep up the great work.

[@drew7773-8]

Why does it say call no man your father in the Bible? Are these men calling themselves father or are they calling themselves fryer? Fr Stephen and Fr Andrew? I think either way you could end up cooking?

[@anya7014]

Same here!!! Love the show so much. I’m very grateful for the work they’re doing.

[@RomualdianHermitage]

A bibliography of publications referred to on this series would be a great sell

[@Harryhausen4]

Don't worry, faithful listeners, we will not allow our party to be pooped.

[@juliagriffiths3291]

Bore da (good morning in Welsh) i listen from Gods country. Xx

[@noahway13]

These guys popped up my in queue. I play videos as I sleep. I thought these guys were kooks. Then as I listened, I realized they were genius and knew their crap. I escaped, but I grew up in an ultra conservative Baptist environment. I knew all these verses but not all the theories and rabbit holes. These guys blow me away with topic knowledge, and fluency in Greek, etc. ( Not saying I know all of this, or even a little, but I know enough to see these guys are not half-cocked, pedantic bull-shi++ers) And I have noticed, and they touched on it, on any topic, the people who know just a little bit are the loudest, and the most sure of themselves. Dunning-Kruger.

[@mrockley1194]

Note to self: always skip ahead 20 min to avoid relentless references to comic books that are evidently very chuckle-worthy.

[@sethtrey]

Timestamp, pls

[@Cthuski]

I like the comic book references

[@Neer-yy5nm]

No fun allowed

[@resistancepublishing]

Sorry but I think this is false advice to give. One has to remember that comic book writers, scriptwriters for animations are knowledgeable individuals and in order to write a good story based on characters, they had to study history, religion, philosophy, psychology, and politics. The writers that I know of anyway hides lessons and stories of warnings in children entertainment. Comic books and animations (few gems among a pile of garbage) do contain a lot of information and fact hidden in them on purpose and to ignore them as a childish joke is a sign of ignorance in my opinion. To dismiss this is a bit like saying that we can ignore certain parts of art because it’s a certain way and only focus on one aspect of art to get what art is all about

[@Vanpotheosis]

18:05 ​@@sethtrey

[@mikebaker2436]

1:23:00 This is a common misinterpretation. According to scripture fall doesn't mean sin itself, but is one of sin's inevitable consequences (sometimes immediate, sometimes delayed). "Pride goeth before destruction, and an haughty spirit before a fall." (Proverbs 16:18)

[@angrypidgeon1714]

what if "falling" into some sin is the only way to survive. Is (literal) suicide not a sin? The Bible is about dying in the false spirit to live in the righteous spirit (which is immortal (because truth is eternal and God is truth, hence offers eternal life, whereas material and self immortality is a delusion)) But you're right, pride isn't the sin, but the fact it may contain a false idea of oneself, just like walking on air metaphorically, when realisticly regardless of your belief, or pride, you will fall. Therefore belief is pride and can be false. Therefore faith and belief is not the same thing. Faith in truth (what it is) is not the same as belief of what it does which isn't knowledge as nobody can contain the fullness of truth

[@sempelpang]

Starting a petition for an AFR fundraiser with a target goal reward of having Fr Stephen watch Neon Genesis Evangelion (the 26 episodes + End of Evangelion film) & report back.

[@AncientFaithMinistries]

That's a great idea!

[@OG_Chocobean]

It's not a completed work unless they watch the Rebuild movies too.

[@sempelpang]

@@OG_Chocobean agreed, but knowing his affinity for both Twin Peaks and the Old Testament, I think he's someone who can appreciate taking time to marinate in the original canon before receiving the continued revelation.

[@jiqian]

Please increase the amount of small talk, as I even if sometimes I do not find it amusing in itself or just don't get it, I do find the comments complaining about it rather amusing. Thanks for all your work!

[@mikebaker2436]

2:52:59 TFW Fr. De Young says all anime bores him but then an hour later starts sounding very Stand Alone Complex. 🤣🙃

[@ChosenKingdom]

Would love to have you both on.

[@rockzalt]

Considering the numerous testimonies of music stars who hint at making a deal with the devil. When it comes to the spirit of a person who makes a Faustian deal, whose son is he? When it comes to fame, money and power, chances are those deals do not solely happen for the entertainment industry. Thousands of years ago being a king would be like becoming a star. In my view, even with Heiser's model for the supernatural world, the giants can be a society of people who have cut a deal with one of any number of fallen angels.

[@jakevandewoestyne269]

3:00:38 I want Father Stephen's definitive list of the demonic spirits animating American culture

[@MihajloB]

Great job. Once again I learned a lot.

[@Foulfootwear]

How is it that the episode wherein Azazel is mentioned dozens of times has the fewest X-Men references in recent memory? These guys dont talk about comic books enough!

[@justrubio3121]

I got into this when reading the prayers about the Theotokos being the only one who like knew about the incarnation save Gabriel, But it’s like did the devil(s) know? When Jesus says he witnessed Satan fall like lightning from the sky? Now that touches on the specific time about Genesis 3 or after the crucifixion. Must’ve been before? And if it was then the devil(s) must’ve know about the incarnation but Church Fathers often talk about The cross being like the hook 🪝 or the bait that was swallowed up by death if you will hence the sign of Jonah and no other sign would be given. Anyways good stuff in the pod and thanks for the discussion. Praise to the God. The h and yea about the bait i.e, Satan was unawares of the repercussions but again biblically they knew who he was the Holy One of God prior to crucixion, so again but either way the important thing is that by death he trampled down death and bestowed life to those in the tombs.

[@JorgeAguilera]

Sucks that Father Stephen doesn’t like Nu Metal!

[@marquesswhite3726]

So the spiritual secret is when it comes to the subject. I don't like talking about what to be in heaven. That means all was in heaven until the day of when Christ say it. Okay. Well, Eric, everybody's in heaven means they up in heaven. Their spirit is all the spirits that all part of us are in heaven, which means God. Christ, the mother and all the other archangels that are with us. And that are part of our spirit. Which means it is possible for 4 satan to fall. If he doesn't do right. That's what that means, and that's basically out of heaven with all the other archangels. Cause he is a archangel as well as all the archangels archangels. Even the demons so, and that's the greatest secret ever and you can feel it every time, once you transliterate, if you're in heaven whether you're sending or descending

[@marquesswhite3726]

The other example was how you know, as when the 24 elders and revelations say oh, and they fail to their knees and worship. God. Well, there's so many ways of honoring a person spiritually. According to the spiritual Royal tea that we have here for those who. Ascend. Well, if they do it to acknowledge God, the different ways, one is with your hands together with a nod of the head, which is eventually a proper bow. Means you always stand into attention to always protect God. No matter what happened and then you got the other different ways of. Savally, and that's bound with both hands to the head Bowing, and the other one is the full bow that the Muslims do when they pray. That's the other bow, and that was the bowel that they was talking about and revelations. So there's way to bring the energy up so you can. Ascend, you can teach others to bring the energy up so you can sing in heaven. And that is, when it comes to healing energy and all types of energy that brings energy towards you so you can have a long life. It's the frequency of energy

[@DCWoodWorking]

Did the new episode just get deleted?

[@AncientFaithMinistries]

I'm re-uploading it, had a problem with the audio

[@DCWoodWorking]

@@AncientFaithMinistries thank you!

[@spaceanarchist1107]

I thought Isaiah14 was about how Nebuchadnezzar placed a golden statue of himself and made the people worship it, thereby proclaiming himself to be like the most high. Is that reference also relevant?

[@yockanookany]

Hey I've heard some of these things before.

[@edwardbennett5700]

A lot of the subject matter comes from other Hebrew sources amazing

[@garrettbar2212]

Hello Fathers. That William Brahman guy and his other associates spawned the Christian identity movement. I know it’s small but there’s an avenue if y’all wanted to see even crazier stuff.

[@sethtrey]

I do not typically disagree with the statements of the fathers, but to besmirch nü-metal is of the devil.

[@michaellilly2550]

G'Kar also the name of an alien on Babylon 5!

[@Ang14141]

Mathew 23:9

[@OUTKAST_X]

I'll preface by saying that I enjoy jokes/interesting anecdotes as much as the next guy, but the issue that I along with seemingly many others are having with the show is that they are CONSTANT (to the point that they almost feel like the focus of the podcast) and so rather than a coherent conversation with a good flow, we are instead left with a dialogue that feels stilted, awkward, and laborious to listen to. It feels like the hosts can not wait to jump on EVERY opportunity to make a joke that quite often feels very much forced and not at all worth breaking the flow of the show. If that's not bad enough, so many times one joke or non-sequitur leads to another, then another, so on and so forth. The end of the shows are so much more enjoyable to listen to because for a moment the hosts are able to deliver a cogent message devoid of jokes and non-sequiturs. I've been listening to the podcast for a while now but it's become unbearable for me to listen for the aforementioned reasons. Fr. Andrew and Fr. Stephen are interesting and intelligent enough to produce an excellent, entertaining show without all the needless tangents and jokes.

[@zita-lein]

YEP!

[@Quickben591]

It sounds like this podcast is not for you. They have great personalities that they should be able to display. Who are you to tell them otherwise.

[@DoubleAAmazin]

God and Satan, Zeus and Hades, whats the difference

[@abrham_wonders]

Please fathers..The small talks are very irritating ...it would be better if you focus on the subject matter.

[@jeremypalmer7177]

It's just a part of the podcast. There's books and whatnot about these subjects if you don't care for the rabbit trails.

[@lisawinter9351]

Yes please

[@nibn4r]

We need piety and humility, not hilarity and amusement. The internet is full of the latter.

[@jeremypalmer7177]

@@nibn4r best avoid many monasteries then as monks can often be the most humorous people you will meet! 🤣 But in all seriousness, this podcast is not stopping you from pursuing piety and humility! The closing statements in these podcasts are often exactly that!

[@BigFat-Littleman]

That’s the main reason I can’t listen to their podcast.

[@anya7014]

No fun allowed in this comment section I guess

[@AncientFaithMinistries]

Yeah I suppose not. The show has always included segments of small talk, not sure why it's a problem now on episode 94...

[@anya7014]

@@AncientFaithMinistries the small talk can be some of the best parts imo 😌 love the show very much

[@drew7773-8]

Call no podcast host, nor priest, nor Jesuit, or pope, father?😁

[@drew7773-8]

Why does it say call no man your father in the Bible? Are these men calling themselves father or fryer ? Maybe it's the same. either way you end up cooking?

[@harvestcrops3983]

Huh?

[@drew7773-8]

@@harvestcrops3983 It doesn't make sense to me either? I think it was all the excitement? not

[@YoxxSHIxx]

So by this logic Apostle Paul would fry too huh?

[@drew7773-8]

@@YoxxSHIxx I read it back and i wrote it and it sounded like a foreign language to me, i was joking about fryer, you fry when you cook. God bless ❤

[@bobtaylor170]

@mrockley1194 has it exactly right. At seventeen minutes in, I decided I'd had enough. This was my first time as a listener, and it's almost certainly my last. Why it is that grown men who moreover are priests think that a podcast! confers upon them license to act like 16 year old boys? My friends know me for my humor, which, as is true of all the best humor, has an edge and sometimes a lot more than an edge of darkness to it. But I don't indulge it in ecclesial things. And I don't appreciate two men, especially in their position, who sound as though they're cases of arrested development.

[@tjt2383]

Fast-forward is your friend.

[@bobtaylor170]

@@tjt2383 true, but the problem is that after that opening, I can't take these guys seriously. Sad, isn't it? Many years ago, if a young person applied for a first professional job with a large American corporation, it wasn't uncommon for one or two of the people who would make the decision to hire or not to invite the person for lunch at a fancy restaurant. They were curious about something: when the entrees arrive, would the applicant season his food before he tasted it? If he did, he would without realizing it be scratching himself from consideration. The company wanted employees who had the common sense to at least take one bite of the food before seasoning it. My experience with these two guys is my equivalent of "the salt and pepper test." Too bad. I hope they grow up eventually.

[@harvestcrops3983]

😂 you must be of the small hat people.

[@bobtaylor170]

@@harvestcrops3983 I'm not so dumb I've ever needed to use emojis. I was taught the language. I hope you'll try ESL eventually.

[@harvestcrops3983]

@@bobtaylor170 Shalom Rabbi

[@AngelKittyVic]

I find it difficult to listen to two priests talking about serious religious topics when they are constantly laughing, joking and acting like comedians. Fathers please be mindful of this.

[@sirpepeofhousekek6741]

1:57:04 that wasn't Azazel, that was Semyaza.