Ring of Nestor and Our Paradise Lost | Ancient Greece Revisited

This is the story of Nestor's ring. It might not have been as powerful as Tolkien's, but enough to hold within it, the promise that once, our ancestors shared an experience of life that made the world into an earthly paradise. An experience that was lost when the world of the Bronze Age with its Great Mother Goddess was invaded by the warrior tribes of the Indo-Europeans and Semites. Many have cast doubts on the ring's authenticity, yet, it cannot be denied that its symbols are universal, and that our longing is ever increasing for a return to that world it depicts. Into our paradise lost.
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[@UltraMojo13]

Thank you very much for opening minds. Your content should be in classrooms, in order to be debated. Και για να είμαι ξεκάθαρος, αν ήταν στο χέρι μου, θα ανάγκαζα το Υπουργείο Παιδείας να υιοθετήσει το περιεχόμενο σας. Ασχέτως με το αν συμφωνώ ή διαφωνώ τέτοια θεματολογία είναι απαραίτητη για τα μυαλά των νέων ανθρώπων. Δεν θα παραλείψω να συνδράμω και οικονομικά μόλις διαθέτω την δυνατότητα! Ξανά ένα τεράστιο ευχαριστώ.

[@AncientGreeceRevisited]

Σίγουρα ένα από τα ωραιότερα σχόλια που έχουμε λάβει ποτέ. Μάλιστα, μου άρεσε ιδιαίτερα το "ασχέτως με το αν συμφωνώ ή διαφωνώ." Αυτό είναι ίσως και το πιο σωστό, γιατί τα θέματα που πιάνουμε είναι τεράστια, και σε καμία περίπτωση δεν ισχυριζόμαστε ότι κατέχουμε όλη τους την αλήθεια. Αυτό που κάνουμε είναι μια προσέγγιση και μια πρόσκληση για περισσότερους ανθρώπους να συνδυάσουν τις ικανότητες τους προς κάτι μεγαλύτερο. Όσο για το Υπουργείο Παιδείας, δεν ξέρω κατά πόσο το περιεχόμενο μας θα πληρούσε τα αυστηρά ακαδημαϊκά τους κριτήρια, όμως ας ευχηθούμε ότι αυτή μας η δουλειά θα πέσει στο "χέρι" - όπως είπες = αυτών που θα μπορούσαν να παρέμβουν με αυτόν το τρόπο ... Ευχαριστούμε και καλώς ήρθες στο κανάλι μας.

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[@michellem7290]

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[@_Lucifer_Sam]

Love this channel!

[@AncientGreeceRevisited]

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[@CookingwithGreekPeople]

another insightful episode.

[@AncientGreeceRevisited]

Thank you! :-) ❤️

[@eyadwael1538]

Excellent! very inspiring.

[@AncientGreeceRevisited]

Thank you!

[@IIVVBlues]

The lesson I suppose, is that religious and mythological themes repeat and borrow from each other through time. As to the dominant theme of the sacred feminine vs. the masculine warrior, once population density achieves a critical mass enabling the development and specialization of cities, the technology of the forge and martial power becomes essential for survival. Masculine prowess is what drives the development of the great civilizations.

[@AncientGreeceRevisited]

They repeat and they borrow, but they also invert. THAT was the "lesson" if you will. It boggles me how people are so passionate about some kind of "philosophia perennis," whereby all religions just have to have the exact same meanings, if you look deep enough. That would be - for starters - pretty boring, and secondly it would be turning a deaf ear to what THEY, the religions themselves are actually telling you. It's a pretty fanatical approach that has been increasingly on the rise. The snake in the garden of Even is NOT the same as in the garden of Paradise of Summer and Babylon. It's an "inverted" snake, where the positive has been turned negative, and it's fascinating to theorise as to the "why." As for the population density approach, I am not so certain. The Minoans had large cities with specialised professions, yet, their religion seems to have had a feminine tone. I don't agree with deterministic theories on human culture, as it is human culture that determines the meanings of the material world. Apart from that, thank you for the great comment!

[@IIVVBlues]

@@AncientGreeceRevisited Successful and enduring civilizations built walls around their cities for a reason. It appears to me that as soon as a civilization develops to a certain point it either is conquered or becomes a conqueror. The development of weaponry and martial strategies parallel the development of civilization. Isolation can result in stability only for a little while.

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[@AncientGreeceRevisited]

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[@AncientGreeceRevisited]

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[@Taleton]

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[@AncientGreeceRevisited]

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[@AncientGreeceRevisited]

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[@AncientGreeceRevisited]

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[@strawsandneedles8733]

How do we know Minoan civilization's values were "life-affirming" in your view? Do we have sources that tell us of their religious beliefs? Also in the end when you talk about the Buddha reinverting its life-denial through sitting under the Bodhi tree, don't forget that the cross of Jesus Christ (being fashioned out of wood obviously from a tree) is also the archetype of the Tree of Life, whereby we reenter the Kingdom of God. It even says so in Scripture: Acts 13:29: “And when they had fulfilled all that was written of him, they took him down from the tree, and laid him in a sepulchre.”

[@AncientGreeceRevisited]

We don't. But just like we said in the episode, it's by comparing Minoans with cultures synchronous to them which DO have writings. Like the Sumerian and Babylonian examples in the video, that are accompanied by scriptures detailing the creation of the world..

[@joshjacob1530]

my ancestor :)

[@bath_neon_classical]

theres a snake guarding a tree in the argonautica

[@AncientGreeceRevisited]

Of which we made an entire 4-episode series. Check it out on this channel.

[@bath_neon_classical]

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[@alessandrazacco1806]

Please, I am not sure, but I couldn't catch who called it The ring of Nestor. Is it a hint to the Homeric old and saviour Knight Nestor from Pylos?

[@AncientGreeceRevisited]

Yes, it was Arthur Evans who named it so. using the myth that you mentioned.

[@alessandrazacco1806]

In this case, I will search for this myth I ignore. Thank you so much.

[@alessandrazacco1806]

I tried to find the answer to the following question: why did Evans choose Nestor as the name for the ring? The answer could be the following: in the Nestor's Palace in Pylos archaeologists found some golden rings, one in particular, which resemble the one you talked about. It demonstrates the existence of the relationship between Pylos and Crete. In fact, Nestor was the hero always present in the embassy Agamemnon sent around the Aegean Sea. More, the Ring of Nestor is a seal, a means used to certify the authenticity of something, vases, tablets, objects but also the memory of the existence of civilization disappeared, and so the dignity of the person who wore it, dignity intended as the one whose word was complete and full of truthful meaning. Thank you for being so inspiring. Best.

[@AncientGreeceRevisited]

@@alessandrazacco1806 Yes, there was back then a tendency to conflate Homeric heroes with relics from the Mycenaean and Minoan period. The mask that was found in the royal tomb at Mycenaean was called "Agamemnon's Mask" for the same reason. As to whether these were the "same" Greeks who fought against Troy is another story, but suffice to say that I do not agree. I think what is happening is that people are becoming "geekier" and "geekier", losing "the forest for the trees" as we say. So when it comes to archeology, they only look at material evidence because that is what the "geek mind" accepts as real. But if one looks beyond their nose they will understand that poetry has its own dynamic. Poetry forms like a crystal, taking shape over a period in history. As it does, it "captures" a piece of the world that gave it birth, because that was the inevitable subject just as it was forming. The Homeric verse is a form that developed somewhere in the rightfully called "Homeric Age", the "Dark Ages of Greece", ie the 10th to 8th century. The subject matter, ie the war against Troy, is a fragment of that world that was inevitably dragged along with this wonderful form. The events therefore are NOT Mycenaean, but "Dark Age" type.

[@Laotzu.Goldbug]

Read _The Origins of Consciousness in the Breakdown of the Bicameral Mind_ by Julian Jaynes.

[@AncientGreeceRevisited]

Thank you for the suggestion.

[@theomnisthour6400]

Neither Nestor or Odysseus were from Crete, dope. I call con-crete

[@ΜουΒου]

Couldn't watch after the first minute or so .I can't take seriously anyone who mentions the made up term "indoeuropean" A term that was developed by an amateur , with zero mentions in ancient sources ,zero geological or other reasons of such a population moving , unlike the theory about Pelasgoi, which would easily along with the Hellenic Kingdoms in India explain the similarities in some linguistic roots.There are already plenty of evidence that Hellenes and travelling goes together. Homer, in the first lines of Odyssea wrote that the Hellenes learn through their travels. Indoeuropean is a theory that's completely fabricated while Pelasgoi theory at worse needs the discovery of just few extra puzzle pieces and already stands well as it is. Taking a look at the architecture, decor, art, syllabograms,religion it's apparent that Minoans and Myceneans were brother civilizations. The archeological community/system loves denying that those two were both Hellenes. System was proven wrong about the Myceneans as they will be proven wrong about the Minoans. After all the myth of Deukalion includes Δωριείς in the Hellenes ,no such thing as an indoeuropean exists, it is just yet another civil conflict in the long history of those Minoans weren't entirely pacifists , they had to fend off pirates and other threats. Figurines of warriors and other artifacts are proof of that. Also Hellenic dark age is a lie as well, just because texts and lots of art didn't pass the test of time , it doesn't mean that nothing was going on and there are evidence of that too. I would like to offer more details for everything I ve mentioned but I ve already blabbered too much

[@AncientGreeceRevisited]

Indo-Europeanism is not a made up theory, and it has huge support by notable linguists and archeologists. To say the opposite is to ignore the genetic evidence that confirmed some of the "steppe migration" theories. After all, if you have a language, you have someone who spoke it. You could call the early theorists "amateurs" like you did, but never forget that people of that ilk had a level of academic knowledge that you and I will never reach in a few lifetimes. William Jones in particular read Greek and Sanskrit, quoted the works of Homer and the Bhagavad Gitta in their original, while being a Judge in the high court and a travelled in places most of his contemporaries had never heard of. So yes, this "amateur" knew something that perhaps those who take their education from clicking links online might be missing. As for the Pelasgians, I do not see why one contradicts the other. The Pelasgians were in Greece what the Dravidians were in India: the pre-Indo-European culture that was native to that place before the descent of these people. Nor does it contradict the fact that Hellenes were travellers. But there is a problem in what you are saying, because the Hellenes were not Pelasgians. The Greeks of Homer's time in other words show a culture similarity to all other Indo-European cultures, which the Minoans and Mycenaeans do not. Theirs was a culture that in essence if not in aspect was similar (as it was synchronous) to that of ancient Egypt: a "bureaucratic monarchy" as some have called it that was very different to the world described by Homer. In fact, the Mycenaeans not just had, but heavily relied upon writing to catalogue the grains and goods gathered and distributed by the king. In the Iliad (and apart form one and mostly obscure mention) there in no reading or writing... at all! Let's not confuse ourselves. There is a stark difference between Mycenaean, Minoan and Classical Greeks. I understand that this is a bigger subject that we can do justice, but being fanatical will definitely not help. Thank you for you comment and glad to have you on board.