Cheap vs Expensive Digital Guitar Rigs | Neural DSP Quad Cortex vs Valeton GP-200LT

[@AndreiCoste]

Hey, sorry for budging in like this, but it could be a good idea to try and compare them using the same cab IR. I've generally found that cheaper modellers tend to sound way better when using a good quality IR vs the stock cabs. As a plus it would take that element out of the equation when comparing amps and effects. Cheers!

[@aydan1686]

This x100

[@lucaribichini7749]

i completely agree, i have the Valeton GP-200 and i only find 1 CAB to be decent, the rest is quite "cheap" sounding, with third party IR's u can achieve a great sound comparable to much expensive units

[@Jasonguitar73]

Quality IR's make a huge difference. I have a NUX amp acadamy and it sounded awesome after adding some ownhammer IR's.

[@steveeckert8396]

The magic is in the IR's. I can't justify a Quad Cortex. But I do own several Neural Plugins and they are incredible. You could be doing Neural a disservice by using IR's from others.

[@Crunchifyable2]

This would be a smart comparison. And a fair one too because you are eliminating one variable. Sort of like comparing to different amp heads into the same cabinet.

[@skate_oasis]

Honestly, I could never justify spending multiple times more money on the Neural unit. The Valeton unit sounds incredible for the price, I can only imagine that with some time dialing in settings (plus experimenting with other IRs) that it would sound even better!

[@JiTiAr35]

the best £300 multi effect pedal so far.

[@deckert618]

As an old fart who grew up on ProCo Rats and Big Muffs, these are both just amazing pieces of gear. What a time to be a guitarist.

[@SirCrashaLot]

Agreed, took a dip only this year and ended up selling most analog stuff.

[@hollywoodactress]

Agree and I had a frontline distortion pedal too. Sucked tone badly 😃

[@sboy1955]

@@tc5610- King of what?

[@eyezik5743]

@TC BS. High-end digital like Neural's Quad Cortex or the Line 6 imitate analog flawlessly-- especially effects pedals. You're speaking from a biased place of nostalgia and I guarantee you wouldn't be able to tell the difference between Line 6's Rat digital clone and the real thing in a blind test.

[@sgbh8874]

Wow O.F, what a diet.🤔

[@scottwinning7484]

Love to see a reserection of 'sounds like' with Digital John, doing both with and without busting.... Also using plugins etc like Guitar rig or Amplitube etc...... This is the future for many of us home guitarists, there's 1000s trying to do covers in DAWs who will never gig, big big market.

[@marksvideochannel3592]

100%, Great idea.

[@wesleyzimmerman94]

They've been doing "Sound Like" again for a while now. The people they got are weird people but they work very well together. It's also better now seeing as one of them is an actual bass player and not just a guitarist grabbing a very basic P-bass and Fender Rumble (even though it's a good combo)

[@danielbeebee]

This! Yes!!

[@komalthecoolk]

Do you think you can convince old school Lee to do a plugin review? Look at how uncomfortable he was in the video they did about Guitar Rig. I think there should be a rule on the internet that only neutral people with no bias should be allowed to do reviews.

[@brucemcsquid6227]

I doubt that most of us would have an opportunity to make a comparison like this, and it's interesting to see just what the difference is between budget and pro-level. Way less than what I'd been been led to believe from online comments - I thought the Valeton stood up pretty well there. More of this kind of thing please Andertons!

[@ivan_osorio]

"DIGITAL J O H N" is still one of the best running gags of this channel. Amazing video. I ordered a GP200LT recently after doing a ton of research (a lot of which was through this channel, so thanks a bunch for that) and am super excited for its arrival.

[@GearsyGGAA]

What did you think of it after getting some time with it?

[@ivan_osorio]

@@GearsyGGAA Sorry for the extremely late reply, I was never notified of your message... Been loving my GP200LT! Most of all: I don't really find myself missing any of the functionalities of its bigger version. The sounds are really good and it's built really well. I've used it in quite a few gigs for both guitar and bass and it's been very reliable and easy to work with. It's really easy to dial in tones and it feels very good to play with. They've added a lot of options and effects in past updates, so stuff that I couldn't do before is available now (like harmonizers, octavers and some other effects. They've also doubled some of the distortion and boost effects in the pre-amp area, so now you can chain two overdrives, for example). I still miss a more configurable Envelope Filter effect. There is an Auto-Wah but that doesn't really cut it for me (or I don't know how to work it properly. Also very possible). There is a software error where the "undo / redo" on the looper doesn't work. Some people say it's been fixed but mine still seems bugged. It's not a huge deal but it's worth pointing out. The only thing I don't like is that the sound of patch changes only occur when you "release" the stomp, not on the actual press. It's like you have to stomp on the button a bit "early" to get the settings to change in time. A bit weird at first but I got used to it for the most part. I've heard reports of this being addressed in the most recent version (1.6.3) but the LT only received the 1.6 update so far. Fingers crossed this will be addressed in the coming days.

[@GearsyGGAA]

@@ivan_osorio for the price point, really that's not deal breakers. It's honestly pretty amazing that you can find something quality in that range. I ended up going with the pod go, just because a local seller was letting his go for absurdly cheap. It sounds amazing and it's very useful, but I'm increasingly wishing I would've gone for the Tone X or waited for the nano cortex. What a great time to be a guitarist 🤘

[@markadams70]

Why I love my QC: I can play 2 guitars, 1 bass and a vocalist in 4 parallel chains. And it sounds amazing. It might cost 4x but you get 4x - maybe you don't need it - but something to bear in mind.

[@timhopkins3810]

I think the quality of the cheaper multi units is really improving. HX stomp user here but would have been very happy with something like the hotone devices that have come out. It would have been good to see what they both sounded like with the same IR too. That’s largely when you can start to hear differences or similarities with the devices as they play such a huge part in the sound

[@christiaandemarezoyens4720]

For me the best bang for the pound is the Line 6 HX Stomp. Tremendous sounds and value.

[@anomalousresult]

If you're a pc owner with a stomp you can get the native plugin for an extra £99 (or sometimes free), that gives you the full helix suite. Incredible value.

[@DudeMcGuybro]

@@anomalousresult This is info I wanna know, what is the BEST floor unit to integrate into a home studio, and it seems like the helix is better in certain regards.

[@zachmusic4511]

@@DudeMcGuybro Fractal is pretty much the top dog if you have access to a computer while using (and even if you don't in many cases)

[@somethingelsedoesmatter]

I almost bought an HX Stomp but everything I read said it could do only 8 blocks? Currently testing a HeadRush, which does 11 (more than that, if you consider you can do 2x amps and 2x cabs in one block each).

[@chrisjs6123]

The HX is brilliant and as you say, bang for $ the best. The effects are completely without equal and the bass sounds great too. For feel I still prefer kemper (I have both) but kemper effects not so good and bass sounds rubbish on kemper.

[@treforroberts3046]

I bought a Valeton GP200 as I needed a cheap backup for gigs where space and risk from drunk punters etc meant I didn't want to use my main pedal board. I just run it without any amp / cabs in the chain into a clean running Victory V50. I just have compression, OD, Chorus, EQ, Delay, Reverb in the chain. I find this is how it sounds best with an amp. Direct into a desk is a different matter. That's when Amp and Cabs come in handy. The line level mode changes the eq dramatically. EQ module is very usefull and could compensate for most of the difference in tone and "fulness" in the the two units shown the demo.

[@georgewilkins4231]

Adjust the global EQ on the Valeton to the room you are in. It will then match the Quad..

[@Wildkarrde2484]

Man, every TIME the Digital John makes me giggle. Always happy to see DIGITAL JOHN back on the program.

[@alexmachado3176]

I use Celestion IR's and I also added a BBE Maximizer stomp in the loop right after the amp/Speakers in my Valeton GP-200 and it really brings the amp to life and removes that boxy/blanket sound making it more alive. Yes it is a little of an extra expense but not nearly as much as a more expensive unit.

[@VelhosNovos]

Great! Maybe a CABM+ to improve the sound. I do that with my HX Stomp.

[@GregoryLegarand]

Does it also work well when you turn the IR/CAB off and play through a power amp + guitar cab ?

[@alexmachado3176]

I found that I have better luck with FRFR cabs with this unit, and amp and speakers are going to color the sound. It all comes down to do you like what you hear.

[@mikedamisch]

I don't care since I won't be buying either BUT it would be interesting to see how the cheaper one sounded with good aftermarket IR's. To me the IRs are the most important part of digital sounds.

[@chopperdeath]

Right. It's all about the eq too.

[@vileindividual]

I really feel like with all of these digital processor videos they should find a good quality IR and have that be a part of the demo process. Sure show us how it sounds with the stock stuff but to really hear the quality of the amp simulation, removing the 'stock cab' variable would really demonstrate the quality of the modelling algorithms. I feel like a lot of these A/B comparisons would be a lot more interesting and useful if both units were loaded up with the exact same IRs. Sure there's an argument about how that's an 'extra cost' but its a negligible cost (usually less than what a patch cable would cost you) and is especially affordable for those of us who are looking at cheaper digital processors. If IRs (and their prices) were factored into the comparison, we might see the gulf of 'bang for your buck' widen even greater. I hope the Andertons guys see this, Its one thing to ask for removal of some variables when comparing regular gear, I can see how its more hassle than for what its worth. But with digital gear being so convenient to set up and especially with loading the exact same IRs into 2 different units, I feel like that is something that should become standard in digital processor comparisons moving forward.

[@_rafael_b]

It just goes to show how far digital tech has come. Only the player using these units would be able to tell the difference between the real thing and the digital simulations. In a recording mixed with other instruments, it would be very difficult to distinguish between the simulated settings and the real things that they're trying to simulate. I have to give credit again to the next level sound quality of Anderton's KZbin videos. The best in the business! 👍 Cheers guys.

[@ludvigbydal7812]

The Quad may have far more features, capabilities and sounds, but thinking on what's realistic or useful when playing in a band, but also recording, I believe the Valeton can stand up quite well in many situations, and has all the essentials to make it versatile enough. The price difference is like day and night, but I would believe the Valeton can keep up also well, with use but not abuse only time can tell. Thanks for the demo, great video.

[@ZzzzzzzxxxzzzYZ4]

Absolutely! Run it through a Two Notes outboard or in the DAW product and you're there!

[@Bridging_the_Political_Divide]

Absolutely.

[@minkorrh]

And also remember the fact that 99% of the audience doesn't know shit and just likes what they hear whether it comes from a tube amp or a modeller jacked into house. I will guarantee you major label bands could use this stuff and no one would be he wiser.

[@richardsandson]

I use the Valeton at home for practice through headphones. It does an amazing job in this scenario. Agree with others that custom IR's and peddle order are the key to getting the most out of it.

[@mruncletheredge]

Clearly the Neural sounded better, but I wonder if you just tweaked the Valeton's knobs, could you make it sound a little closer to the Neural... I think the Valeton is perfect for headphone practicing especially knowing that it's 5 times cheaper.

[@jwalkrr]

Thats why i want to pick up the valeton, just to have on the bedside table to practice late at night with headphones, or when i just feel like plugging and playing on the computer instead of micing up and dialing in my supersonic

[@jasono2583]

I got the Valeton, i really like it. It was a huge upgrade from my old Line 6 XL live pedal, and much smaller too.

[@m00plank90]

Same, mine came yesterday from Andertons. Have to faff about a bit, but loaded my own IR’s and spent a few hours tweaking stuff, and it’s insane how good this thing is.

[@PapaBaush]

What do you guys think now after a while running the thing? Thanks

[@zinni_de]

I am using the Valeton 200LT live in conjunction with an BlueGuitar Amp1. It does a great job, both in regard to amp sounds and effects quality. The handling is super-easy and I just miss a touch screen when it comes to editing the patch names. Using a PC simplifies that, obviously. I am not missing anything on this device, to be honest. I use it with 4cable method and change between Amp1 distortion and Valeton distortion sounds. It gives a big variety of sounds. Tweaking the sounds of the Valeton with the general EQ settings is easy as well. So basically, I don't get the reason to pay more than 5-times the price for the Quad Cortex. I have no doubt that this device is better, but the difference is really very minimal.

[@shambapoo]

Fascinating to see the latest amp and pedal emulators. I had and extensively used the original Line 6 Pod and for many years a Pod X3 Live which in particular is still a fantastic bit of kit with great sounds. I've recently moved back to lots of pedals (mostly modern ones and a couple of my old vintage ones) and a flexible 20w Blackstar amp. I'm much, much happier with the tactile nature of actual pedals and knobs. Being able to tweak everything without the need for any menu's at all and no need to download the latest updates is such a benefit live, when practicing and recording.

[@MattSwain1]

Am very happy with my Valeton GP200. I’m just a beginner guitarist so it allows me to try a load of different amps and effects for not much money. It’s a lot more cost effective than buying a load of pedals or a QC while I’m just figuring stuff out. One tip I would give is that if you run the Valeton app on a laptop and connect via a USB cable then you can use your mouse and keyboard to tweak all of the settings, and if your laptop has a touchscreen then you can use that so it doesn’t matter that the unit doesn’t have a touchscreen

[@landguitar]

That's interesting. I own the QC, and we can't plug that in to desktop edit. hmmm. But the on-screen interface is very good...

[@NordicMeatShield]

Pedal order makes a big difference on the GP-200, it's not dark when you get used to setting it up and using it

[@clouds5]

Yeah I always laugh when they do these comparisons and then say ah this one sounds darker. Well then make it brighter :D But yeah these videos are mostly promotional, so they probably make more money with the QC.

[@NordicMeatShield]

@@clouds5 Yeah, just dial it in to what tone you want 😂..still using it a year later, great bit of kit

[@landguitar]

This was very interesting, thank you. I own the QC and am very happy with it, although I use "real" when gigging, and I just use the QC in my home studio so far, but it sounds great and has a very real feel. As you said there wasn't always a LOT of difference between the 2 units, but there was consistently a difference in the QC's favor, and you have to leave that value equation to the buyer. A number of comments here about the IR's, which are valid, but the QC has plenty of very good-sounding IR's in the box. I don't normally watch your videos as they tend to be long, which is entertaining for some, but this was more "efficient" with less chat, which I liked!

[@robertmarshall2394]

Great Video guys. That Valeton is possibly the best bang for buck product of 2022.

[@jeramym9506]

The Helix just came out with a massive update that revamped the IRS and cab sims. It would be cool to see a shootout with the QC again.

[@BradleyJohnHunt]

Wonder what the difference would be like if you were to load a high quality custom IR on the valeton

[@jann_rygh]

huge difference with YA IRs - mindblowing Clearity 🧊

[@reinhardp4541]

@@jann_rygh YA IRs - where to buy? Thank you!

[@markseymour8365]

@@reinhardp4541 Just Search for York Audio and you'll find them.

[@nokturnalrust]

i just bought Valeton GP 200 after watching loads of vdos from you guys ... and am loving it

[@jewelcheese]

I don’t know why, but the “digital John” edit gets me every single time without fail

[@jrlee243]

They both sound great. The Q.C. does sound better. But put them in a mix and I think that gap would be even more close.

[@FretFriendGWaL]

If the Quad Cortex was removed, we'd all love the sounds in that Valeton!

[@mathieupelletier4392]

Beside the Tone the most amazing thing with the QC is the workflow. I was a fractal/Kemper user for the past few years and the UI is the game changer.

[@BettoniFerreira]

@13:30 Yes, buddy! Cab sims play a very important role there, if they aren't both running through the same cab sim, then it's very difficult to say that one is "darker" than the other.

[@ridewithme3471]

Any chance of doing again but using the same custom IR on each? Now that would be interesting!

[@justsomemincedgarlic]

I really love the QC and wish I had the cash laying around to pick one up. I’ve got an HX stomp and its by far my most used piece of gear since I picked it up. Seems like the Quad Cortex is really just the next MASSIVE step forward.

[@benlemcke2863]

It has some extra features compared to the stomp, however, the stomp uses the exact same chip as the big Helix floor unit. They sound the same. Andertons did a blind test of the big units already and could not hear a real difference. There's no reason to upgrade if you don't use the capture thing. Even more so with update 3.50 (which, like all updates for the Helix systems, is free). What you also have for an advantage is: you can connect your Stomp to a computer and edit your patches easily via HX Edit, something Neural DSP does not offer. Don't get me wrong, the QC is great, but your Stomp is already a high end professional device that's on the same level as the QC. :-)

[@justsomemincedgarlic]

@@benlemcke2863 well damn, thank you for the insight. I’ve played guitar for 18 years and always been a basic pedal board, tube amp guy, so I’m pretty new to the digital revolution thats been happening under my nose here. I’ve had a blast with the hx stomp and I think realistically its already waaaay more than I actually need. I didn’t realize the stomp was so similar to the full helix floor unit though. You might have just saved me a little money, for now at least haha

[@ayeapprove]

9:28 I think it would be best to compare these amp models without the factory IRs - that's where most modelers either fail or win in my expierence. So if you can use your own IRs that you are used to or a real cab - things are much more even imho.

[@JosePineda-jn8jk]

I really get a kick out of the 8-bit Digital John face every time 😂

[@joebasswizard]

Personally, I would love a QC on my board… smaller, lighter, and more powerful than my Helix. I tried one, but the lack of desktop editor was a real pain. I know it seems no more than a convenience feature, but Helix and Axe have them, and they’re such a big part of how I set up my sound.

[@DJCD92162095]

NEURAL DSP QUAD CORTEX! THANKS FOR SIGNING FOR ME, CAPTAIN! I’M THE ONE FROM BELGIUM! 👍🤘😎🙏🙌

[@jasonstallworth]

Great demo and both sound solid! Especially the 80s chorus…you guys should have continued and written a sappy power ballad with both units! Back in the day, I had the Digitech RP10 and actually used that live and recorded a few small studio projects with it. Alright, I’m headed over to watch your Digital John choosing a digital rig video now!

[@rmp5s]

Been rocking an Axe-FX II for YEARS now and have zero desire to "upgrade". It's fantastic, the Neural is awesome, the Line 6 stuff is killer...there are SO MANY EPIC options now that you basically can't go wrong!!

[@coolboy-qc4eb]

you can go wrong.. by buying boomer pedals..

[@rmp5s]

@@coolboy-qc4eb lol...but even THOSE work with all this new-fangle ones and zeros nonsense! 🤣

[@madiimad]

Nux MG30 user here. I'm down to neural DSP plugin's. I own most of them, and was serious about finding a good modeler(for playing live)... Well, it's a low budget pedal, and sounds so so close, to the Neurals. That I'm so happy 😁. Sold all my analog pedal, Marshall DSL amp and Randall cabinet. I'm free now!

[@martindonnelly1556]

What do you play the mg-30 through now after selling your amp? Thanks

[@jittboy1]

I have had them all Quad, Kemper Stage, Helix, Boss Gx100, Headrush big floorboard and m5, I always go back to Fractal ax8. It’s set up perfect for live and studio as well as has amp controls on top I had Fractal iii as well ax8 just is best for me. Quad had a few issues kemper amps are great but effects lacked and fractal had all the above with best scene setup.

[@DifrantDrumer]

You were right about the cab making the valeton sound like it has a blanket over it. All the cabs in my GP-100 sound distant, small, and veiled compared to my 1x10 Eminence Lil buddy.

[@killianlpc]

The Valeton sounds absolutely terrific for the money. If you are a serious full time gigging musician, obviously the Neural Quad Cortex is better and it should be for the money, but seriously for money the Valeton sounds brilliant.

[@marka8738]

Exactly my thoughts. And with its access to many different amps, pedals and parameters for the user to figure out what they like on a budget

[@ledhendrix5054]

Talking to a friend about searching for Guitar tone and is it over now because of this new equipment gets you there quickly , I really don't know about that maybe it does maybe it don't, but it is still as rewarding as ever to search for a good tone as it is playing with a great tone, great time to be searching .....

[@Driftuner]

I still feel like the best value out there is the HR MX5

[@SeanDS1989]

14:31 that's how I felt watching this video lol I don't own either product, but the more I watched, the more I understood why there is a huge price difference... although it's smaller, I do prefer the interface of the cheaper one though

[@ali-om4uv]

I am a tube guy. What matters most to me is how these units feel and I think this is where the gt 1000 shines. It also sounds very good if you can live with the limited amp models. Can Digital John make a series on gt1000 vs helix after Update and quad cortex? I would be really interested in his opinion especially if you go for a more classic rock sound. I own the quad cortex but enjoy playing my buddies gt1000 alot more a soon as any kind of bigger monitoring system is present.... which is weird. I mostly use captures tho.

[@blue_mountains28]

nice test, im still happy with the QC i bought from Anderton's almost a year ago now... An interesting test would be to set up a real set up amp, cab, pedal... whatever, recreate it in the QC and the cheap unit and see what is the difference in the digital recreations? I also like to tell myself cheaper units are only getting better because of technical advancements of more expensive units.

[@DifrantDrumer]

I would like to see a comparison with the Headrush MX-5 and the Quad Cortex.

[@robotx4242]

I'm cheap and not recording major label albums or going on world tours so the Valeton is fine for my application. The way I use my Valeton GP- 200 is into the front of my Marshall DSL40 and a Pod Go into the effects loop. The Valeton I use for vol/wah and dirt/fuzz pedals and the Pod Go for mod/rev. Most the gain I get from the Marshall. Probably not the most premium tones but it gets the job done.

[@billw8648]

Hi, I'm curious if the Chapman headstock upside down design helps a lot with the guitar staying in tune better than the traditional way!? Thanks for another awesome video Anderton's!

[@markseymour8365]

No, not at all, just changes the string tension.

[@tonepilot]

Don’t forget, you can assign an adaptive gate to the input block in the Quad Cortex and free up a block if you wish.

[@lasombra_br]

Pete's laugh at the background sold the video for me!

[@guitarguts666]

So you're also talking the differences between a balanced and unbalanced signal on the outputs right? Plus I'm sure the valeton you could EQ up to equal what the QuadCore is doing in sound, I know you're rushing but to really get them as close as possible, it's great to show, one being simpler and other other having to jump through menus of things to get a match or as best as possible.

[@gitarman666]

I hate my AxeFx 3, but bought the works fc12, mission pedals, I drank the kool-aid!! Growing up always played tubes with a detour into the Sunn beta land then back to Marshall 800 then GK 250rl then back to Marshalls and Boogies and now at 60 I bounce around my amp room Because I’m lucky enough to have an amp room because I never sold a damn thing and it took all these years to amass, So now it’s Fender Fridays Marshall Mondays Shirley of Dirt Sundays Boogie Buesdays Ec-a-cedera

[@navrasicsi]

Instead on investing in expensive gear I vote for investing in yourself/myself i.e. learning and practicing. The player makes a bigger difference than the rig. Interesting and very useful comparison.

[@Pulse2AM]

Nice video! I thought the Valeton Vox sounded more like a real Vox amp myself.

[@jesperkarlsson8324]

Is there a reason why you don´t review the Nux MG-30, in my opinion it has a better sound and feel than the Valeton??

[@meloche1syndrome]

I have a gp200, been using it for gigging and practice. It's transparent, i run 4 guitars through it and they retain their unique tones. The cabs are good, but, not great. They're mid rangey sharp, treble uncomfortable, and bass slodgey. I've put in custom ir and blended my own, and it radically changed the tones. The gp200 is totally worth it. It's good. And sounds better to me than line6 products. There ya go

[@kiwiramjet5625]

I just got a QC last week and I haven’t had a lot of sleep since LOL! Yeah it is pretty amazing, although I must say it did take some time to dial the best tones and also get my headphone setup right. But the VOX and blackface Fender tones are easily the best I’ve heard in any modeller.

[@andybaker5800]

Got a gp200 from andertons and it’s just amazing. Well worth spending time tweaking. Eq is pokey to sculpt your sound.

[@likelydaily6767]

Watching the zoomed in intro I was left thinking “cor, Lee’s learnt some new techniques!”

[@madmancaudiogear]

Obviously the QC is a better superior unit and should be considering such a big price difference, the Valeton for its low price is solid, well built, loads of features and very good sounding. When doing a direct comparison though of same style amp/cab, adding a drive and delay, then I wouldn’t expect them to sound exact immediately without at least editing EQ parameters etc, my opinion is that every manufacturer will have their own preset parameter settings which would differ from another brands preset sound once loaded,with a bit more tweaking around you’d probably be able to make them sound much closer. Anyway both sound shit hot and it’s down to if you got a grand and half to buy the dogs bollocks Quad Cortex or if you’re a skint musician like me struggling to pay all life’s ever increasing bills so would need to sadly keep saving to afford a Valeton GP200 or GP200LT and once you’d saved the dollar for a Valeton would be quite happy, satisfied and wouldn’t be able to fault what you get for it’s low price, I wouldn’t get hung up cos it doesn’t sound quite as good as the QC, pretty sure you can work with the Valeton to achieve plenty of great sounding tones after editing parameters and I wouldn’t think that 99% of an audience at a gig could tell much difference in overall sound or really care as long as the band sounds good. I’ll get a Valeton soon and if I win the lottery or find a wallet I’ll get a QC.

[@johnkirk3808]

I bought the GP200 from Andertons. Its truly epic. What we are hearing here is an output mismatch. Basically, all the patches in this demo would easily match the Quad by entering the global eq .... done: Hmmmmmmmmm..... maybe the global eq 'WAS' adjusted [scratches chin] ??? 😂

[@amremorse]

It was adjusted on the vox setting on the quad. He boosted the highs. On the valeton vox setting they could’ve dipped the mids and see where that gets them.and then of course they should’ve used the same cab ir’s. You could easily get in the same ballpark with eq. This was an extremely biased review.

[@kikivienna8982]

With more affordable amp emulators, I often leave off the cabinets which sometimes give it that “someone put a blanket over it” effect. Whatever the unit, in the end it’s about dialing in some sounds you like. Unless of course you want to be the most accurate sounding cover band on the planet.

[@calebcadainoo]

09:45 You used the wrong Vox amp selection on the Valeton What you used on the Quad Cortex the equivalent is the Foxy 15TB on the Valeton It has same controls as the one used on the Quad Cortex

[@steveclark9934]

Turns out Valeton inherits the modeling technology of the "AMPERO" and "AMPERO ONE" from the family brand HOTONE. For example, the GP-100VT from Valeton uses the modeling technology of the "AMPERO" and "AMPERO ONE" from Hotone. Some say that the Valeton GP-200 and the Hotone Ampero are very close and are identical if you choose the same settings.

[@williamcockfield2985]

To sum it up. If you are looking to have a bunch different sounds while figuring things out as a beginner/intermediate the vaeltron is just fine If you are a professional musician the cortex or line 6 is the only real option

[@photoniccannon2117]

The Valeton didn't seem to have the most accurate emulations, but I'd have to argue that they both sounded equally good to me. The Valeton seems like it could be dialed in to get just about any sound with a few tweaks, even if it needed to be EQed slightly and set on a different cabinet. I've listened to a lot of really bad amp sims, and the valeton has really impressed me from what I've seen so far. Some of the older ones (such as Peavy Vyper modeling amps or older-generation Boss COSM products) tried a little too hard to sound exactly like the amp they were simulating, but introduced a lot of harsh digital noise into the sound that became apparent on very low gain or very high gain. The valeton doesn't seem to have this problem as far as I can tell. The dynamics sound great, it sounds premium here despite its very low price tag. I'm really glad that this is the case, because on a cheaper device where the the technology is probably a bit more primitive, I'd much rather it sound good than sound exact (the differences are easy enough to dial in).

[@alexanderbetancur1301]

I Have the Valeton GP200LT, and I love it!!! Sound amazing!!! Even with IR much better!!!

[@thewholeroll]

The Vox tone demo at 10:28 was totally the old Premier Guitar video intro! Tone and chords uncanny!

[@JTB--]

If you're a believer in diminishing returns and need to be frugal with the spending.... the Valeton products offer great bang for the buck.

[@IrLosin]

John is a great player. And that is saying a lot when your colleagues are Pete, Bea and Dave.

[@georgewilkins4231]

Guys on the Valeton, turn on and adjust the global Pre EQ to your liking and you will get an overall better sound. Its turned off out of the box.. Much better IMHO... Good luck...

[@Spydur0013]

I'd like to see the capture features of the QC put up against the Mooer GE300. Honestly, just those two head to head overall. That's the shoot-out I'd like to see,

[@andrew6889-p5c]

The Neural Imperial MK2 amp plug-in is very cheap and sounds fantastic. It comes with most of the pedals you are ever going to need and has more tone-sculpting options than any normal person needs. Initially I wasn’t “into” amp plugins, but this is so good. Why pay for a digital processor in each pedal when you own a computer that has way more processing capability already? And using it with a DAW gives you so many easy-to-access options like a drum track and all the multitracking you could ever want. A semi-decent pair of studio monitors are plenty loud and sound great.

[@christopher.hallissy]

Latency.

[@johnnewton1830]

If you need to play gigs then a hardware unit makes sense. Otherwise I prefer plugins. Latency is not much of an issue with modern computers and interfaces.

[@fraenkiboii]

Digital John: Generally, would you be willing to create a paid QC patch? I love the QC, but there's this one specific sound of a prog band I keep failing to recreate with the QC and I'm at a point where everything just doesn't sound right.

[@musematt]

We need this for bass too :D

[@Adipsia1]

As an Axe-FX3 user I'd quibble with your statement that the QC is the best of the best. ;) That said, the Valeton sounds great for the money and I'd agree with Digital John that the interface makes a great deal of difference.

[@jaggysnake6699]

Got the valeton for gigging in a hardcore/metal band and I love it

[@jonnnybravo4092]

I have the Quad. Ive been using digital stuff for years. After having a Kemper I honestly cant use the cheaper stuff anymore. Even if they sound close on youtube videos the quad is just better. Theres a feel an a sound you cant hear over recordings. When you strum the cortex and have a good set of speakers you just hear it. Imagine the sound of hearing a song in low quality then hearing it in super uncompressed HD. Its like the feeling of an open room. Like its alive. Plus the cortex can run multiple players. So its super helpful when jamming with your friends to just have one unit.

[@MrCleitus]

I can't use the cheaper stuff either, I have real Soldano SLO.

[@bobboitt3126]

Since the first Line 6 pod, I never got into digital and its light years from that now. The younger generation can make amazing sounds with them though. 😳

[@pigxstix]

For beginner and on a budget, gear these days is really putting out some cool stuff that I only wish I had access to back in my day. That said, there's no comparison here.

[@hardtobearit]

it all comes down to the cab sim. if you put tha vale infront of a better cab sim or have them use the same sim it would be a better comparison.

[@michaelsnydermusic]

I’ve found that the Fender sound has been the easiest for these to replicate. Heck, my old J-Station nailed it back in the day. It was the only amp it got even close to. Luckily you can do a lot with a clean Fender sound with the addition of some pedals.

[@ec8107]

For me it ended with the Vox. I love Vox top boost tones and the QC sounded incredible. The Valeton sounded cheap and thin.

[@richardervins]

You should be aware that the difference in sound was not a problem of the unit but of the programmer. 😅 You can make the Valeton sound like the QC by using proper IRs and by tweaking the necessary parameters.

[@pixelninja666]

What is also missing from the "equation" is that Andertons are wanting to sell both these units.. So there is bit of "let's not make them too alike". A bit of EQ, decent IR and pretty much any unit 200 euros up from the last couple of years can be tweaked to a ridiculously close likeness (that would be unnoticeable in a mix or gig situation)

[@carlosalves4444]

I do wonder if the cheaper guitar effects unit is put through a 7 band eq pedal, how far off would the sounds be? 4 to 5 x difference?

[@Max_Money_AWA]

Cool video, but it doesn't answer the real question: what is that guitar in the opening?? I love, Love, LOVE reverse headstocks.

[@extendedrangetechmetal1489]

you should adjust the global eq setting on the valeton to fit your guitar before making presets

[@kevinburton3619]

What model guitar is that? Looks awesome

[@tns4421]

Well my rig is of Boss (sd1,ds1,md2,fdr1,eg7, tc mimiq) so price wise I am close!! Neural is killer though!!

[@rickbiessman6084]

The QC just sounds... "righter". 😀Hard to put into words. Even though I think the GP 200 is amazing and would serve a guitarist FAR beyond their beginner stage. I think it’s pretty good - and not just for the price. The Vox example though really made me lust after the QC more than I wanted to.

[@alexforget]

You would have to do a blind test on this one. The price, look prestige influence you more than the sound. There is even the gp-100 and a midi controler with the same sound at 100$ for 20X cheaper.

[@asmallfarmhomestead3657]

I don’t think one is better or worse per say…both sound great, I think we’re splitting hairs of “preference” at this point.

[@tonepilot]

The Valeton does sound quite a bit thinner, boxier and weedier. Wouldn’t be bad in a mix though. I do prefer the Valeton’s images for each item in the chain. Much quicker and easier to see what’s going on at a glance. Half the time on the Quad Cortex, one has to tap the block to see what it is.

[@PNWGuitar]

Would you aay the valeton would be a good sounding live straight to the desk option as either a backup or replacment for amps and pedals?

[@RustyThumz]

What is the most affordable way to get into a digital rig that uses profiles or captures of actual amps (i.e., Kemper or neural DSP)?

[@PeterCleff]

If I could afford the QC I would buy it in a heartbeat. I use Neural plugins live and use a midi foot controller for switching pedals etc. The Valaton is great value though. Good sounds. If it has midi functionality, one could use it to control Neural DSP plugins running on a laptop. Bot sure though. But it's a great way to get into that world.