JTM Style Amp Shootout! | Does Marshall Still Come Out On Top?

[@marktemebel]

4:14 Pete: I'll try not to use any reverb. 40 seconds later... here is a little reverb 😂

[@sjftech]

Came here to say that lol

[@Lez325]

Me too @@sjftech

[@Herr_Leinweber]

You were the first one who said it but I was the first one who thought it 🤪

[@Lez325]

Well done that man😂😂😂😂😂😂 @@Herr_Leinweber

[@neildenman1776]

The JTM studio is killer for the price ! the victory a little harsh for my ears .

[@mikelewis_94]

The JTM45 2245 reissue sounds the best to me. I went in wanting it to be the Royalist and expecting to find the JTM45 to be too harsh. Turned out to be quite the opposite to my ears. Too bad they cost so much more in the US 😥

[@NetVoyer]

US pricing as of Feb. 21 the Marshall Studio is $1750, the Marshall JTM45 is $2999, the Tone King is $2495, Victory Deputy is $1499, and the Friedman Little Sister is $1499.

[@JamesRussoMillas]

Criminal lol

[@albertojoez7419]

In the EU we feel the same with US amps, we get it. ;)

[@jameseberhard7457]

Oh my god, buy the friedman, of course. It's handwired and a crazy good deal. Marshall have lost their way with the move to Vietnamese transformers anyway

[@ricardorodrigues4277]

Put them through the bin and buy a toneX for some quid. F** those crap.

[@Skiddins]

Sounds like a good reason to buy UK amps through Andertons to me ;-) Should at least even he prices a little.

[@JamesRussoMillas]

I'm sorry but the clean sound coming out of the real JTM at the end was just the best, wow!

[@whiteninja2006]

The two Marshalls still sounded the best to me. The little studio is the main winner for considering the price. I have the SV20H (the 1959spl version) and its such an amazing amp. Also, the fact you guys played over Greenbacks is a good choice imo. That raspiness and flub is what its all about!

[@antnoble9898]

Turns out if you want a good JTM45 sound, buy a JTM45!

[@zippy61]

Just got the Tone King along with matching 1x12 cab! What a stellar amp! Just killer!!

[@dasninjastix]

Pete's config on the Little Sister sounded the best to me of the bunch.

[@mranalog241]

Indeed, it really leapt ahead of the rest at the end. It’s so much more dynamic than the others. What a stellar little amp.

[@igordemoraeslenzi]

Marshall has one of the most beautiful clean sounds I ever heard.

[@Squall6575]

Im gonna say it: marshall has better cleans for my ears than vox or fender. I find fender and vox too icepicky

[@igordemoraeslenzi]

@@Squall6575 right. I tend to agree with that, specially with the Vox part. However, tweed fender with 12" speakers or a multiple 10"s have gorgeous cleans as well (im excluding the champ - just because of volume).

[@vincesantacruz4262]

The deputy was obviously the most "tinny" thin sounding of the bunch. All good amps but I'll take the Friedman.

[@BuddyBlues]

Those are my favorite type of Andertons videos. To my ears the deputy had the most clarity and note definition in all tests, loved the mids of the big Marshall too

[@captainvette2112]

The Tone King was by far the best sounding amp in this shootout imo. He got that amp a couple of months ago but this is the first video it has been shown in since that unboxing video. I hope they start using it more in videos cause it’s literally the best sounding amp of any amp I’ve heard on this channel

[@zippy61]

I just got one along with the open back 1x12 cab. Stellar amp!! Just amazing!!

[@vansongs]

People are weird. Why wouldn't you like something you are a part of? Isn't that the point? Just get a shameless plug stinger from JHS, and do your thing.

[@quoimagueule628]

I played on a JTM45 with a strat and I had a blast, it's a wonderful amp, with a clean sound of breathtaking beauty

[@Smittefar1]

JTM45 is probably my favourite clean tone ever - I like Fender too, but every time I plug into a JTM45, my entire body goes: "Yes, this is where a live".

[@quoimagueule628]

I am of the same opinion as you, a jtm45 in clean sound with a strat is one of the most beautiful clear sounds that exist

[@takemebacktothen]

isn't the jtm45 really close to a Fender Bassman? That's why it's got great clean tone.

[@gonzopewpew7838]

Why can’t you have a biased opinion? Every internet troll is up to their eyeballs in biased opinions. If I owned part of a company that I thought made the best product, I’d say it. And everyone else could kiss my a$$

[@svbarr]

Kinda like a Bassman?? EXACTLY a Bassman other than the parts that that were hard to get in GB in the early 60's -- and the smart idea of using 12's in a CLOSED box.

[@TheDrunkenScoundrel]

Can we just admit that Tone King always has everyone beat except they are expensive and just get everyone to compete with them?

[@captainvette2112]

There isnt even a question on this amp shootout for me. The Tone King is miles ahead of the pack and the Victory is dead last imo.

[@kylebowers6093]

"I'll try not to use reverb because it wouldn't be fair"....1 minute later..."little bit of reverb"...lol.

[@Beatedelic_Records]

The JTM45 sounds best to my ears, it has more mids.

[@Sellen-]

Mr Captain Lee The JTM 2245 Is bright all the way to ca. Volume 7on high treble channel . Then the Bright Cap goes away. All Marshall's Sounds best IMO at Volume 6-8 and use Volume on Guitar for Clean

[@digitalchris6681]

So its a win for the Marshalls: I need flub and lots of it (historically its a significant component of what makes a 'traditional' valve sound). But of course you can always turn the bass down.

[@Skoora]

Always bugs me on demo’s of this kind of circuit where they just crank it but don’t adjust the EQ ie. Kill the bass, get the treble and presence up and then talk about the flubbiness or it sounds like a muddy mess and they proclaim how “awesome” it sounds. 😂

[@FabrizioCalderara76]

JTM45 wins overall to my ears because of its more low end. Anyway, all these amps are lovely.

[@caas766]

Don't Jumper the inputs on the Marshalls...that lessens the gain and turns them flubby

[@rangerjonoutdoors6429]

JTM and Tone King sound great. - You guys should get your hands on the updated Suhr Badger models and do a new video on them. The one from a decade ago really didn’t do those amps any justice and they’d fit right in to all these “shootouts”. Rock on.

[@Lemmysfinger]

The JTM45 all day for me.

[@stephanfuchs7891]

Me too, but we may be very oldschool.😂

[@risteardohaodha23]

There’s no problem with liking your own product, as long as the ownership is stated (which it was). Nice shoot out and top playing from Pete as usual.

[@formulajoe2]

I’ll take the one with the KT66s and the GZ34 rectifier.

[@johnelcanrab2114]

Srv used his Marshall for clean tones and Fender for dirtier. Because it was a proper Marshall. People think Marshall are all about gain. Not the vintage ones.

[@TheStratfanatic]

Love the Marshal's but the Tone King is really good. Wish I could justify a new amp... three guitars so far this year don't allow for that. I am being acused of being a gear s*ut...

[@IamMusicNerd]

They all sound great, but of those options, the Tone King sounded the best to me. (The Marshall sounded darker and the Victory sounded thinner) However, I can usually get JTM sounds I prefer even more out of a Soldano using the low gain blue channel. But you can’t go wrong with any of them.

[@Mr.Goldbar]

I'd be really interested to see a comparison between the ST20 and the Origin :)

[@ThePanchomack]

Friedman for me ;) 42:06 is where you got me. Nice warm and fat but still tight in the bass with a percussive, snappy tone and a sweet top end. Love it. But there really is something to the JTM 45 clean tone ... considering one for studio recording just for that particular sound. Great Comparison

[@erpece]

On every occasion, the Victory came in last for me, lacking mids. Tone King was very good every time - well balanced sound.

[@hasserl]

IMO the JTM 45 still does the Marshall thing best of the bunch, even better than the Tone King; it has a bottom end thump the other's just don't have. The JTM 20 is the first to get mushy, that's a disappointment. The Tone King is 2nd best behind the JTM 45, great amp with a lot of features, but missing that bottom end thump of the JTM. The Victory is lacking in bottom end compared to the rest of these amps; makes it easy to avoid getting mushy if you just cut all the bottom end out, add some more low end to it and it would probably get mushy like the JTM 20. The Friedman is nice, nicer than the JTM 20, but there's a cost to it. Overall, the JTM 45 still reigns king, IMO of course, YMMV. BTW, now way the Friedman is 20 watts, you cannot get 20 watts out of a pair of EL84's, it's probably 15 - 18 watts max. Same thing with the Victory, you cannot get 25 watts out of a pair of EL86's, it's probably very close to the Friedman, you can maybe get a couple of watts more but that's it, not really enough to be audible. Anyway, good video, love Pete's playing! What a great resource to have there for these videos.

[@markn4526]

Excellent run-thru and comparison. A lot of it comes down to personal opinion...so here's mine. The Friedman had the typical upper-midrange spike that I don't care for. The Victory, although very clear sounding, was also a little harsh for me. The JTM Studio surprised the heck out of me and sounded very similar to its big brother in many ways, but with a little more brightness and a little less girth. The Royalist is just a great amp, sounding similar to the Marshalls albeit maybe a little bit more refined with a bit more clarity. Add the extra features that you get with the Tone King like the 3 modes and dual Ironman attenuation makes it the winner and for me. By the way, I think the cab with Greenbacks is perfectly appropriate for these amps.

[@adamswanson8216]

In a way, I think you having a part of victory helps because it allows you to influence design and so far the designs have been amazing. I own six of the amplifier products and just ordered the deputy. Keep up the great work on those. I think you have a right to make as much money and do it anyway you choose and I don’t think in any of the videos I’ve ever seen that you have chosen victory over another amplifier and shootouts, or nor have you mentioned them as a matter of fact, you’ve usually shout about Friedman more than anyone 3:23

[@camdobie]

The original sounds the best to me! The victory was least fav, too scooped and harsh.

[@american_psycho1147]

Marshalls cost so much in the USA that it's not even worth wasting money on when you can get something better for half the price. In Europe that's a different story though

[@stevep1941]

If you want a Marshall sound, get a Marshall I say.

[@Russell_Optics]

The Tone KIng is by far the overall winner for me, but out of my price range. The Marshal Studio and Victory were tied for 2nd place IMHO and *affordable to me. The Victory wins between those two simply because it has reverb. Good demo.

[@brendancleary9490]

Yeah that studio sounds really great!

[@JWisemanMusic]

Tone king wins for me. The JTM when it was clean sounded amazing though.

[@Tanax13]

Honestly, for the price, Marshall is a great value to sound like Marshall! €720 (excl. VAT) for the ST20H makes it very hard to justify getting something else. €1520 (excl. VAT) for the Little Sister is just.. bonkers. Yeah, it has more features and is handwired but I just don't care about that. Some argue that PCB is superior anyway. And a lot of people already have attenuators/loadboxes anyway so having a MV doesn't really matter for many.

[@gdawgs101]

Is 20w and a 1x12 cab loud enough to cut through over a drummer and bassist? If so do you even have any clean headroom left at that point? It sounds great but I'm skeptical

[@pCeLobster]

The Friedman is PCB too, and in the US it's $250 cheaper than the Marshall Studio. In the UK it's a no brainer but over here it's a different story. Shame too because the Marshall sounds better to me.

[@caydespliff181]

I’ve seen a handfull of little sisters’ on reverb for around 900 usd. the build quality is better from what I hear when compared to budget marshalls.

[@johnblack9037]

You have to play and hear them. I went through loads of amps Orange, Marshall ( including the HW re issue 1964) , Fender, Vox etc and was never happy. Then I played a Dirty Shirley and a Morgan Ac20 these are now my go to amps. But it’s what you want and horses for courses. PS these videos are great but they do not portray the amp you have to play it yourself.

[@davidburke2132]

@@pCeLobsterpretty sure the Friedman is an eyelet board construction, which is quite different to a PCB. Friedman does use PCB (on the Runt series) but I don’t believe it does on this more expensive amp.

[@MurrayWilliams]

The Tone King sounds so good. Wow! Holy cow! In this case it sounds like you get what you pay for. …at least in the edge of break up range. I was rooting for the lower priced ones. Dang it!

[@valendis]

I think I agree with the Captain! I liked the Royalist the best and right after the Marshall JTM Studio one. The JTM46 sounded awesome clean!

[@AntmanFelix]

I was not very familiar about Tone King though I have seen them on occasion. Think I need to do more digging on Tone King because it sounded amazing.

[@dmac3316]

I’m a Friedman fan. U can get great low volume sounds out of them without attenuating

[@Bluepillphil-d1w]

The ultimate home amps. Fortunately I discovered this.

[@halloweenman6141]

me too@@Bluepillphil-d1w

[@jonthehermit8082]

Cool I’m kind of infatuated with the little sister, I’ve gotten rid of my big tube amps and use mostly digital, I need that thing.

[@Bluepillphil-d1w]

@@jonthehermit8082 you won’t regret it, pull the trigger. Nothing like a solid amp that you can play at genuine bedroom volume or genuinely loud. I rate my Friedman as the best spend I have made.

[@jonthehermit8082]

@@Bluepillphil-d1w lol, this Marshall studio on this video is what got me started,

[@buncobooth]

What's up with the panel on the JTM45 ? It looks like it has condensation behind it !

[@middle_pickup]

Would rather have heard you guys set each amp up to sound its best than this. No one would test an amp with all the knobs at noon. They'd test the sound, and adjust it. The Marshall amps are warmer than the newer guys, which have more upper mids. Naturally you could compensate for this with some settings.

[@Timmiemetz]

Guess you didn't watch the whole thing..

[@woodendoors9532]

Tell me you just watched the first half without telling me you watched the first half only.

[@anthonycashero7605]

The victory deputy captured the best clarity to me. Im impressed with that little amp. Great job, guys.

[@EffektPublishing]

Do you own shares too 😀

[@lescaster2179]

@@EffektPublishing Yeah, because in a world of billions of ears, there's no way anyone would chose the Victory, right? /smh

[@EffektPublishing]

@@lescaster2179 just joshing on the "shock, horror! Lee part owns Victory" storm...

[@gigsandguitars6921]

For the money, Just get the Marshall! Sounded amazing!

[@theprisonier]

Sorry guys but the victory deputy is the worst one. Broke my ears.

[@walterworrall]

All 5 of those Marshalls sound pretty good.

[@Flacsabbath]

Damn that Tone King killed the competition in terms of sound. The lack of an effects loop is a bummer. I would put the JTM Studio 2nd. I think the Victory and the JTM45 were my least favorites, though Pete's settings at the end sounded ok. The Friedman and Victory sounded pretty much the same to me, brittle and ice pick-y. JTM 45 was the opposite, really dark and muddy.

[@vintageampsguitars3252]

The attenuation by the OX is absolutely not good for a Compare thing like that because she change the sound off the amps badly . Ist a great Tool box for recording but for attenuation not very useful . Better way shout be do it with the Fryette Power Station PS-2A and use the line out and connect any other IR load box . Than you have the real sound of the sound by any Amp

[@mwc6849]

Tone King for the win

[@SomeDudeDan]

Thanks for another great video! I have a JTM45 but I’m really thinking about getting the Deputy! It sounds awesome! Keep on rockin’ ! 🤘🎩

[@digitalchris6681]

Noooooo...... you don't really want a tinny sounding V. Stay loyal to the original and still best.

[@horrorview]

LEE!! Can I get a Studio for $899 US? :P They're $1399 here! >:(

[@NINEWALKING]

I build JTM45’s with KT66 tubes and early schematic. Plus bit bigger iron. Normally with GZ34 and lower plate dissipation it’s around 35 Watt power. But those are very loud 35 Watts. Tubes can handle even 60 Watts and some models with solid state rectifier you have had 50 Watts power. Later models used EL34 tubes. Sound different, especially driven hard. Middle range is more pronounced. Comparing with anything with EL84 and 18 to 20 Watt power, even that 35 Watt is way more powerful and has way more headroom. Here I can hear lot of difference but for the price they are all great amplifiers. Clean most attractive on this recording are Victory and the Tone King. Victory possibly due to a good quality and a bit generous bright cap. Tone King possibly due to a good build. Tone King wins for me. Friedman is cool and studio is great for the price but has less headroom and details are not there. Re-issue is bit darker but sweat amp. Good reference here. Driven Victory gets a bit harsh and I suspect that bright cap comes back to bite it in the ass. Tone King changes sound character a lot and sounds more lake later models of JTM45. More like Black flag and JTM45 50. I guess no hiding for those EL34 tubes. Classic Marshall sounds. Can’t beat them in that. Maybe less JTM45 sound but more SuperLead thing. Awesome but different than early models. Possibly less scooped tone stack as well. Friedman gets more fizzy as well and starts sounding like Victory. Imagine most expensive sounds best for me. But tone corrected re-issue sounds most like early JTM45 at clean especially. Guess no hiding that 5881 is of that 6L6 family.

[@indytrucks2003]

The lack of HDRX20 is disappointing.

[@johngallagher7884]

yeah the tone king sounds more versatile i like

[@TheSterlingSound]

The Marshalls sound darker due to the bass inputs linked together

[@Simto]

Running the normal channel a few notches lower than the high treble is the key with JTM45's. Cool amps.

[@zenlandzipline]

Yup

[@guitargrandpa282]

I just bought a Little Sister a few months ago. Here was my analysis. The Studio Marshall is just too expensive in the States given its relative build quality, the Royalist is great but very expensive given my skills as a guitarist and the fact that I am not really a gigging player, the Friedman is nearly a thousand dollars cheaper than the Royalist. The Victory had not been released and I didn't really consider the 2245. For what it's worth.

[@FransvandenBergeMuziekschuur]

The ACDC sound is much cleaner then most people realise. Meaning it has more 'hair' due to that violineske sound a slight overdriven sound has. That has way more texture than an allmost white noise sound. (Meaning a fully block sound due to the overdrive where every soundwave has a blockshape on a scope).

[@richgrothaus5971]

Pete could make a toaster sound good.

[@-CrippledNinja-]

There's something wrong with me... because I'm growing to love that JTM studio, it just has tons of character. The original is nice, but the rest can stay in the shops.

[@CAMERONxLEGACY]

The Victory and the JTM45 are my favorite out of these. Personally, i like the Victory the best. I honestly DID NOT think that'd be the case.

[@VlrGuitarWorld]

All sounded great. Looks wise Marshall's does it for me..

[@kentjackson3830]

Love these amp shoot out vids 👍. Lee @ 42:11 "Holy Mother of..." I frequently say the same thing when I play the little sister 😂

[@classicraceruk1337]

JTM45 is my favourite, bluesy to the hills. Wonderful…….

[@DosHemperor]

Hills bee bluesy with tha sounds of blusey

[@WillfulThinker]

This comparison reaffirmed my satisfaction with my Marshall SV20H Studio Vintage 20/5-watt. Now I wouldn't mind owning that Tone King also.

[@John_2Much_Coffee]

Can't go wrong with any of them. I also like and am total liking that Lee and Pete have a part of Victory. The Victory and Friedman sound so similar. Love them all but I would buy JTM studio. Cheers from Canada, Also they all need Pete's playing that king of Rock Les Paul. Why watch porn, this is much more "DIRTY"

[@joeysgear1419]

I'll take the one with the tubes.

[@christopher-miles]

yes! more tube, more tone. duh

[@martyshwaartz971]

I thought the one with the mids sounded the best.

[@joeysgear1419]

@martyshwaartz971 I disagree, the one that was being overdriven sounded the best. The one with the mids sounded all right too though, got to admit.

[@fatsuperfly]

All sound cool, I kinda like the flub no lie😂 but that victory does sound awesome! I’d probably would buy that or the Friedman to be honest, just over all.

[@danielrunyon8918]

love the studios look but to my ear the same tone can be had with just a marhall origin and a jhs morning glory right? just my opinion. great job on the deputy as well.

[@temujenbarca1284]

I would've like to hear a full sized Dirty Shirley/Twin Sister, though...

[@aaronperrotta7055]

I'd take all five. They all sound great, with a board with overdrive and some reverb, you can gig any of them anywhere. I've been using an Origin 20 with an OCD and a Tumnus, and it just sounds great, and also takes about five minutes to set up and tear down.

[@MrSkyfish7]

If only I could get UK pricing on Marshalls. The Friedman is $250 less than the Marshall ST20H in the US. Which isn't a giant difference... until you realize that converted to dollars, the ST20H is $1009 in the UK. I feel like I'm buying from a scalper.

[@jonasjacobsen9702]

That ToneKing sounds out of this world at 25:50. Some of the best tone I've ever heard holy smokes

[@Terry-d7f]

Marshall JTM Studio is the clear winner and the cheaspest.

[@Terry-d7f]

cheapest

[@eddiemoser3150]

The Friedman JEL-20 Clean channel should have been in this

[@jassieblue]

On top of a Marshall 4x12 cabinet the jtm45 is the best looking 😊

[@truthtorpedo99]

I think you should have Eq'd them to be similar. The big jtm45 sounded too mudcy, which is likely fixed with a bit of twiddling. Nothing wrong with eq matching before a comparison

[@t3golf]

I’ve got a Marshall 1962 BB combo that is SSSOOOO loud. What are your thoughts on using the Ox Box for live scenarios?

[@StartUpRight-dp3qz]

Boss Tube Amp Expander best for the job, live or studio. Also support IRs.

[@MysterBlu]

The Tone King is worth every penny, love that sound.

[@Groovegandalf]

As someone who doesn't care about clean tones, the studio is the clear winner for me. Bang for the buck. You get the nice dirties and you don't have to finance your car for it

[@lukesteverything627]

But where is the combo for the Tone King Royalist MkIII 40-Watt Tube Guitar Amplifier Head?

[@geoffreywalls4093]

The tone king is amazing with every set you did. I love the studio is great detail and sound with the stratocaster. I own a Dirty Shirley, Sheriff 44, SLO-30 and Carr Super Bee. All cool and special in different ways. I would love to have the Studio!

[@recklesstoboggan]

Please do a comparison of the JTM Studio 20 and the Origin 20. Just for curiosity. Can you get reasonable "JTM45" sounds from the Origin 20, or does the JTM Studio 20 justify the extra pricing, to get closer to the actual JTM45 sounds? I think I know the answer, but I'd love to actually hear it.

[@jordanpratt3821]

I'm sure that video is out there somewhere. Probably several of them if you search it.

[@recklesstoboggan]

@@jordanpratt3821 not that I've found anywhere. I've found: DSL 20 vs Origin 20 Studio Vintage 20 vs Origin 20 Studio Classic 20 vs Origin 20 I have not found Studio JTM 20 vs Origin 20 vs JTM45 reissue. Not a single one. In fact, that's why I asked here.

[@jordanpratt3821]

@@recklesstoboggan ha, I'll be damned

[@kuringmundo]

this video is exquisite

[@DigitalGremlin]

I'd like to hear the Marshall Bluesbreaker also even though it's a combo. The Marshall's sounded the best to me. The other's just sounded trebly like a Plexi. Great video though.

[@pepmasters-999]

They're all good, but the Tone King or the full-fat Marshall probably edges it for me on the evidence here.

[@FransvandenBergeMuziekschuur]

JMP 100 and the JMP50 combo are the best Marshall tones.

[@Bimmer2047]

Over hear in the states it goes from low to high- victory, Friedman, Marshall ST20, Tone king, jtm45 on sweetwater

[@404err0r]

Amp shootouts are the best

[@aaronglassonion]

FANTASTIC demo of these amps! And Lee and Pete - love you back.

[@planzed.2]

0:47 “we should do something as well, maybe jump out of an airplane…” YES!!! ..playing your fave Tele through a Marshall that’s thrown out the back of the plane with its own parachute

[@notarealperson87]

toss an amp out with a parachute, but stay on the plane and use a wireless signal. see if you can get a signal all the way to the ground.

[@planzed.2]

@@notarealperson87 yes, brilliant but I still need see Pete jump out the back of that plane trying to play a Tele 😂

[@notarealperson87]

@@planzed.2 youre right! Pete jumps out, leave the amp on the plane. then when Pete lands, toss the amp without a parachute.

[@stevenorton8442]

After all was said and done, there's nothing like a dialed in Marshall. Good and OG. That Friedman was killer too. Great video as always guys. Cheers from the states.