Andreas Kornevall - The Creation Myth of The Eddas

[@Ludifant]

31:50 this urlog of destroying to create seems to reflect the concept of entropy (2nd law of thermodynamics) and the arrow of time and the goddess Kali. The price you pay for any creation aligns with concepts of Karmic cleaning in Buddhism and Hinduism and the element of sacrifice is in almost all stories about Sedna (inuit)

[@levihanssen106]

At the fuck are you talking about?

[@Ludifant]

22:47 auhm, the original mantra, indeed. I am also reminded of: "in the beginning there was the word" and indeed the name "the big bang" (even though this according to the theory did not produce sound). Sound seems to be a logical first for us.. i think this says more about our consciousness and development from infancy snd the way our mind works than anything about some historic account. Even when Christians or modern, reductionist scientists do it :) They are of they same mud, same hugr. Sound is also a constant way 'back' into meditation and nirvikalpa samhadi or nirvana in many many eastern and african traditions. I am thinking of singing bowls, gongs, drumcircles, taiko drumming, river language, indian drones , digeridoo playing, bullroarers etc etc.. all reflecting the Galdrabok. I think volume is not the most important part.. we now know it in popular culture both as the mysterious tingle of ASMR and the 'blegh' of metalheads.

[@Ludifant]

@15:00 The strange thing is that from the title, I agree about the wisdom. I saw in yggdrasil the 9 realms of our perception through opposits of certain spectra. Small and big (dwarves and giants), dark and light (elves), friend (aesir) and foe (vanor) and fire and ice... This must have been the main opposits in the life of a viking. And our realm in the middle. This echoes taoist and buddhist ideas of interdependent origination of opposits and strangely enough, the tree echoes the tree in the garden of eden, bearing the fruit of ultimate opposits good and evil from the bible. Which in the original language were skill and unskilledness, but have been reinterpreted by christianity to fit their morals. For me this reflects a vast and quite subtle wisdom about the nature of our perception being expressed in metaphores. And it reflects the way superficial culture and fashions adopt these wisdoms.I wondered if you found the same, since you specifically targeted the edda. I am now just going to listen and see if you get there :) I would just like to say it is a pleasure to get a different take, even if it does ruffle my academic feathers.

[@GreeneyedApe]

Jotnar as giants? To my knowledge, this is merely a translation convention for the word, and not a description from the sources.

[@Ludifant]

@9:00 I think you are refering to 'oracle bone script' for Chinese and runes being found by Odin hanging from the ash branches of yggdrasil? That is a paperthin thread. But again the larger point is easily granted. It stands to reason that man started imitating environmental sounds that morphed into consonants and vowels. It might be that the images that were combined with the sounds where used in the graphic representation of this laguage.. glyphs. S and the hissing of a snake, for instance are appealing.. This is pretty solid linguistic theory. It is interesting to consider that some myths might hint to that.

[@Ludifant]

40:00 it is not just the meeting the other culture. It is the attitude in meeting. 6 months is not enough to automatically overcome prejudice and aversion and might only serve to harden judgements.. When you travel to unexplored realms in the beginning things will grate, but the right attitude will help overcome that. Stepping stones are tolerate (don't react), respect (experiment eith borders), accept (don't judge), appreciate (see what it brings you), integrate (see how it is part of the larger you) (It is spiffier in Dutch, but still). It also works with inner work, so I just see it as the right attitude. We'd need to cultivate that first in order for this plan of children living with other cultures for 6 months to work.. but I like it a lot then. :)

[@Ludifant]

30:00 ah order vs chaos. Now you are speaking my language. This is the prime opposit and mathematically it is instantly clear that the difference is only in our heads. I studied how what we classify as order emerges from what we classify as chaos and the other way around and prime factors of this transformation are quantisation, relation and scale. This is how you mathmatically transform order into chaos and the other way around. This is echoed in confucianist and taoist thinking alike. Even when these are seen as contemporary opposits alike. But my proof is rigidly mathmatical :) I just like to look around and see it everywhere and ponder on what it all means.

[@Ludifant]

38:00 Kvasir emerging from the vat of saliva and tears mixed with honey is a direct reflection of wisdom emerging from dukkha (suffering, bitterness) and sukkha (sweetness) in buddhist culture.

[@Ludifant]

@20:20 yes, yes, yes! Ymir reflects many clay creation myths, like the Finnish one or the Greek one. And the sweating out of the giants by ymir to me refers to an emerging of man from its environment. And the emerging of hugr. The division of the nirvana/ginunngagap/jijimuge/shunyata etc into Opposites, thought, memory selfawareness.. So the opposit of an all powerful, conscious creator that stands apart from our reality and inspires man with some mysterious 'thing'. This is why Christianity couldn:t allow paganism to be.. so happy now :)

[@Ludifant]

@45:00 Hann hefur rétta hugmyndirnar og er skapgerður, so glad I found this :)

[@Ludifant]

25:00 I don't think the image of the cow is as important as the image of the milk. We are mammals, so myths were bound to have some milk in them :). Founder myths and milk are common. With romulus and remus it was a wolf. But it is very interesting that both indian culture and norse culture have a holy cow.

[@andrewbreding593]

Comparative mythology: I think it's rather compelling to tie a lot of different things to India. Everything that was really important to our myths seems to have happened long after the dissemination of protoHindu mythology, if that's even a correct label. And perhaps the reason it's been so stable in mythos is that particular tropical locations constantly lush. Or perhaps there's a true lineage of offshoots going all the way back to that misrepresented cradle of civilizations. The Norse apparently said that all people's are of the ALL FATHER, but they don't call him the same things and he hasn't asked them to do the same as you understand it. The more names, nicknames, you had the more power you would be expected to have. It's neat, keep going back to something dr. J Sledge said, only God has infinite attributes. How can you rule out anything? If it's a God and it's protecting it's people who's to say it's not the same

[@Ludifant]

@ 5:00 sorry, Andreas, but your definition of myth has an obvious flaw. The missing author is easily explained by the mechanisms of oral tradition. Which gave birth to the first memes. (As in meme theory). These do have a kind of independent existence, but can only exist in the medium of human culture. To state that myths have little to do with human beings is just wrong. It is like saying a flame has little to do with its fuel. There is many colors of flame, depending on the kind of fuel. Disregarding this off the bat seems a very strange perspective. What you see reflected is the bond these people had with the land.. but the way 'the river speaks' is filtered by the human culture at the time. For instance Cherokee have the same kind of bond, but they express things differently. For instance they have 7 directions, the Vikings used landmarks to navigate and hardly mention direction. This is a cultural difference, which will be reflected in what the river 'says'. Showing that it is a reflection of a culture grown in certain conditions rather than of those conditions.

[@Ludifant]

@7:00 yes, the study of history is a different game than the study of myths. This point is easily granted, I don't think the definition helped me in that :) I get what you mean now and it is fundamental, but my point about the land and the culture still stands. Even if the land would actually dream (and I think this is prevalent enough to consider, some kind of Gaya or panpsychism) it will be articulated by a culture, and the messages received will reflect the bias of the time and place.

[@andrewbreding593]

Memes aren't history, they fit neatly into the definition of a myth, it's got a subconscious component that draws from the environment. It has a very imaginative visionary aspect. You don't know what a meme really is but you know it's something different when you see it. Completely slap dash knee jerk impossible bs, but some how captures a feature of reality we share in its pure aspect. And then it gets modified and evolves subjects of repurposing. We create these because they are very useful right now. Are they history? No they're impressions of our moment in history right now. They never where, they always are! Memetics is very useful to ascribe as a function but your putting the cart before the horse you can't ask a meme what caused it becuase it's a vintage, the atmosphere always changes but then India? Doesn't change, and in fact a large amount of what they've saved has been preserved to authors of a sense. It's got something to do with Nirvana, negativity isn't a thing so it can't exist past the breaking of the world. Only the things that are working in the future draw the energy of anti entropy. It's all in the math they just can't find the plugin for external entropy input, doesn't mean it's not possible. How in fact could one ever prove that energy came from the future it once is gotten here it's no longer there to find

[@DeadSoon1945]

Utter nonsense. Not knowing the author(s) does not mean that there were no author(s).

[@michaelatkin9649]

Jewdism, Christianity and Islam has destroyed the European gods and myths. So much was burned and destroyed that its sickening. Imagine is they succeeded in destroying everything? We'd know nothing about the northern gods or Egyptian history and artifacts.

[@levihanssen106]

Do you belive the garbage you are telling? You have not understood anything! Horrible!!!