Andrew Copson debates religious selection and faith schools on Sunday Morning Live

[@klaxoncow]

This simply would not fly with any other set of ideologies. I want to open a "communist school". Marxist children should be educated in the Communist Manifesto amongst comrades. It's not discriminatory, because our communist school is "paired" with the nearby "flat Earther" school. We have a shared Halloween disco in the local sports hall, where our young comrades can learn all about flat Earth beliefs. And, this year, we're integrating with the local feminist "all girls" school for sports day. Hey, why should supernatural beliefs get special privilege? Teach the controversy.

[@BedsitBob]

There are already Communist schools in the UK. There's the University of Sussex, for a start.

[@raycarter4520]

Religious education should include teaching about all faiths and alternatives like humanism. Single faith schools have no place in the state system. They encourage a narrow world view and are divisive.

[@Suryapoosarla]

jay lakhani in above panel actually teaches spiritual humanism in hinduism....

[@OriginalPuro]

"Religious education should include teaching about all faiths and alternatives like humanism." Religious education is indoctrination and brainwashing, forced upon the child by their parents. Morality is to do what is right regardless of what you are told. Religion is to do what you are told regardless of what is right. Religion is the root of all evil.

[@MisterSolitude]

@@OriginalPuro Clearly you do not understand the concept of religion

[@HarryNicNicholas]

@@MisterSolitude what we need to be doing is replacing the beneficial things of religion, soup kitchens and community, religion preys on the desparate.

[@MisterSolitude]

@@HarryNicNicholas how so? have you actually studied religion or do you just have a weird perception of it?

[@eckyhen]

Education should be about teaching children to think and reason above everything else. Faith is by definition the denial of rationality.

[@andrewoliver8930]

Could you imagine if libraries and sports centres did this with taxpayer's cash? If you want a pure faith school, pay for it yourself.

[@julianwaugh8221]

It should be noted that all the sorrows of this world can be laid at the feet of god and his cultists What religion is taught in school? Sleeping with your daughters ? Condoning slavery? Homophobia? The rape of children the Spanish Inquisition? Show them George Carlin Ricky gervaise Christopher hitchens Eddie izzard Stephen Frye and Francesca Stranopolus to have a balanced an intelligent reasonable view instead of the homophobic mysogonistic patriarchal racism that religions are. It gets my vgoat that my taxes pay for yeshivas that do extreme harm to young minds and brain washes them to be whiney victims. The minute religions start paying taxes and stop interfering with free and fair elections to maintain the separation of church and state. Fuck them .

[@TheWeepingDalek]

richard dawkins went to an islamic school one day (only faith school he asked that said yes btw) and he was talking to a group of kids with there science teacher. a student asked a question about evolution. and the science teacher either couldn't answer it or refused to. dawkins then answered the students question. what place does scientific knowledge have in faith schools. especially if the science contradicts the faith.

[@sebmason]

Faith schools should be abolished, education should separate to religion

[@HarryNicNicholas]

i;m not sure leaving religion out altogether is a good thing, you need to tach kids not to take crap from strangers.

[@FactStorm]

The Indian guy was refreshing, he's so cordial and made good points :)

[@superfisto]

The Hindu guy was pretty good.

[@HarryNicNicholas]

it's one of the less violent and hypocritical religions, but they'd still sacrifice you if their god told them to.

[@rorykennedy2767]

I love you Nic

[@MrGraemeb2022]

Interesting to see they have no imams from a Wahabi inluenced madrassa on this panel. I'd like to hear what they would have to say. Especially their teaching on equal rights, other religions, English law versus Islamic law etc.

[@HarryNicNicholas]

exactly, if we're going to have religion in schools, it needs to be ALL flippin religions. (let them argue with each other for a change)

[@FactStorm]

The two monotheisms that have half of the world in clutches, these are the cults that have to be addressed and monitored most - especially Islam since it's a younger religion and hence more petulant, rabid and hostile to anyone practicing critical free speech against it.

[@wtfamiactuallyright1823]

Why was discrimination not directed back at the Christian and Jew, what some areas of these faith schools are trying to do is outright bigotry and that includes keeping the 50bloody%? This video did nothing more than piss me off, respect to the Hindu dude tho, as has already stated below.

[@wtfamiactuallyright1823]

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[@oldschoolman1444]

The dictionary I have defines discipline as a branch of knowledge. The question I bring is, what branch of knowledge is going to be taught. What ever happened to reading, writing, arithmetic and history, after all history is full of injustice done in the name of religion. If people want to teach their children about religion shouldn't that be up to the parents. If you ask me the state should stay out of the religion business and parents should take more active role in their child's education. If religion is taught in schools it should be the history of all religion's and how they came to be. And don't exclude all the death from religious wars, slavery that went on due to other being perceived as savages, lesser than. When people understand the history of religion they come to understand just how savage it is, I can do without a god like that.

[@julianwaugh8221]

I heartily concur . How these pompous gits pontificate and talk down to everyone is their misguided belief that we are medieval peasants that don't know any better and will burn in hell for eternity if we question their authority. Well those days are numbered , the established churches catholic and protestant are seething that the mega evangelicals are cutting into their cash cow and are getting away with fraud . Catholic fraud 10 Protestant fraud 9 Evangelical fraud 11

[@CaptainDooDoo-ans]

I disagree with all of these people because faith based schools DO NOT admit 'believers' and are not instituted to cater for the kids but rather cater to their parent's biased religious desires. Children are not, by definition, 'believers' of any faith - they are children and being manipulated by their parents and the religion of their parents. I usually admire Andrew Copson but not today.

[@OriginalPuro]

We allow brainwashing and indoctrination every day, be it muslim, christian or jewish, it's quite pathetic and we're just condoning child abuse. If we don't allow it "then we're not sensitive towards other people's culture and religion", fuck that shit..

[@MisterSolitude]

You do realise that liberal secularism is a type of social conditioning too right?

[@CaptainDooDoo-ans]

@@MisterSolitude Whether that's accurate or not, it doesn't negate all the bullshit taught by religious schools and churches to indoctrinate defenceless little children. I'm for teaching as much know fact as possible, any opinion should be occasional (in comparison), and clearly stated as opinion.

[@CaptainDooDoo-ans]

@@MisterSolitude And if 'liberal' means truthful sex education, recognition of the individual's gender identity, equality, jobs that do more than just keep one alive, personal choice as long as that harms no one else, 1 law for all, a political system of/for/by The People, humanism, rationalism, skepticism..yeah....I'm for all of that and more. Why aren't you?

[@MisterSolitude]

@@CaptainDooDoo-ans The atheistic secularist narrative is also not devoid from indoctrination either. Most of the topics you have mentioned such as gender identity are social constructs within liberal secularist societies that have zero substantive backing even on a scientific level. Surely teaching your kids that there are actually 10+ genders is also a form of indoctrination? At faith schools, moral values within religion take precedence. Why is this wrong? How can you say that your set of morals are better from a securalist perspective without even questioning the source of said morals? Needless to say, the entire concept of liberal secularism necessarily require its moral goalposts to constantly expand in order to accommodate new and popular emerging lifestyles. And anyone that refuses this is accused of being divisive. I'm not here to defend child abuse or malfunctioning buildings of course not but this country prides itself on freedom of expression and belief so where do you draw the line?

[@Skymarshal]

Copson was good. But he reminded me of Ricky Gervais :)

[@claudiaxander]

Absolutely!

[@jimvanlint8043]

What a surprise the non-religionist was out numbered on a programme presented by the BBC.

[@SomethinAintRightHere]

People in the comments are really missing the point. Funny how they dont have regular people on these shows, only talking heads with predetermined ideas that merely reinforce factions of the population

[@HarryNicNicholas]

what point am i missing, cos i'm missing it.

[@robertkresko6338]

Nobody's business where parents choose to send their kiss to school. Whether I agrée with the religion taught or any religion for that matter doesn't mean a thing.The existence of religious schools may have it's liabilities, but I fear far more putting that level of power into the hands of "well meaning" bureaucrats to "restructure" society for us. Nobody should be given that much power. I can choose whether or not to attend a church, mosque, or synogague or reject faith altogether. If bureaucrats are given this much power, I have no choice but to live under them and pay taxes to support them. And they won't stop with regulating my choices on religion. They are "better" than me afterall. They know better than me how to run my own life.

[@deanonewton8704]

No muslim speaker?

[@HarryNicNicholas]

they are usually a pain in the ass on these sorts of programs, islam is growing fast cos they are nice and intolerant.

[@mz-he5jc]

Was anyony from Muslim community invited?

[@HarryNicNicholas]

they are usually a pain in the ass on these sorts of programs, islam is growing fast cos they are nice and intolerant.

[@Ax18NY]

The moderator is gorgeous.

[@HarryNicNicholas]

god is watching you. just saying.

[@oldschoolman1444]

@@HarryNicNicholas Ha Ha. =)