Andrew Schumacher is wrong about Matthew

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David Wilber

David Wilber

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@wesleyogilvie8105
@wesleyogilvie8105 4 жыл бұрын
Now they'll try to quote Paul when nullifying God's Word, so here are only two question you need to ask him and others who preach the same: 1: Did Paul teach from the Word of God (scripture)? 2: If yes, where did God say that (insert commandment) was temporary or no longer void? If they acknowledge that Paul did taught from the scriptures, then that would mean if Paul is saying that "oh, we don't need to observe this anymore, it's done away with." that would mean that God Himself said it before hand that these commandments were temporary until Jesus died on the cross. They would have to admit two things if they can't find one verse to back up the claim God abolished said commandment(s) or law(s): 1: That they may have misunderstood Paul and his letter, and re-examine them (the route I took 2 years ago) 2: That they have been testing the Word of God to the doctrine of man, rather than testing man's doctrine to God's Word If they choose to stick with the claim after the fact, then it shows you who the person really reveres.
@ExpiditionWild
@ExpiditionWild 2 жыл бұрын
The Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath.
@DTH1661
@DTH1661 4 жыл бұрын
Shalom and blessings David. Thank you once again for another rich and edifying teaching. I applaud you for your understanding of scripture and also your excellent use of sources of which I thoroughly endorse and approve. As a Messianic Spirit-filled gentile, grafted into the Commonwealth of Israel, I can wholeheartedly agree with the truth you teach. I love my Messiah Yeshua and so I keep His commandments, it's that simple and also that literal. In love and humility. Abundant blessings brother. David (UK)
@DavidWilberBlog
@DavidWilberBlog 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the kind words, David. Glad you enjoyed the video! Blessings and Shalom to you and yours!
@erto8229
@erto8229 Жыл бұрын
Encouraged 🙏🏻
@ScottRachelson777
@ScottRachelson777 Жыл бұрын
No other text is more misunderstood than the Bible. How does your interpretation of Matthew square with the references in Hebrews about an "offering once and for all." Or, the language of "obsoleteness" and "fading away"? Are wives still bound by the law of their husbands even after they have died? Which laws? All 613 of them? Are we obligated to still sacrifice animals at the altar? Which Levitical Priesthood can substitute for the order of Melchizedek? Is Jesus not the "Perfect" sacrifice? Is it possible you interpret the meaning of the word "perfect" differently than others?
@mylord9340
@mylord9340 3 ай бұрын
You ask very pertinent questions. While I agree that Wilber's reading of Matthew 5, is the plain meaning of the text, I think he commits the same error that his detractors make: imposing univocality on the writings of the New Testament. Wilber tortures the meaning of the letter to the Hebrews to make the ideas fit in with his interpretation of Matthew 5. His detractors torture the meaning of Matthew 5 to make it fit with what is written in Hebrews. The real solution to the problem is to recognize that the unknown writer of Matthew's Gospel reported that Jesus said that the law of Moses was still in effect. The unknown writer of the letter to the Hebrews wrote and believed that the law of Moses was done away with. The writers were not and are not saying the same thing. However, that state of affairs cannot be tolerated. Both writers must be interpreted as saying the same thing.
@79davidt
@79davidt 2 ай бұрын
You have it backwards: How does the meaning of the book of Hebrews square with the teachings of Jesus in Matthew 5?
@PromisedJubilee
@PromisedJubilee 4 жыл бұрын
I LOVED your conclusion. Thanks bro, I love it!
@CarlosPerdomo
@CarlosPerdomo 2 жыл бұрын
Fifth video in a row... gotta stop and get ready for shabbat 😁
@bridgetothemessiah4186
@bridgetothemessiah4186 2 жыл бұрын
Shalom Alecheim! I enjoy your music and have one of your albums; Desert of my days. I want to get the Psalms album next. Blessings to You, Your Family and Ministry.
@shannondyson6388
@shannondyson6388 2 жыл бұрын
I think you answered my question in the very last second of the video. Thank you. Absolutely a blessing:)
@UncleGino07
@UncleGino07 2 жыл бұрын
Thank You David for the great teaching and copies..
@nickylouse2
@nickylouse2 3 жыл бұрын
The question I often ask God is how do I bring my ascent approach (olah korban). I realize that it is not a burnt offering (that is a bad misinterpretation), but the way that God prescribed Israel to approach Him. They were a shadow of the ascent approach made on our behalf by Yeshua. However, I struggle with how I am to approach Him today in tangible ways.
@NeverlandSystemKaleb
@NeverlandSystemKaleb 2 жыл бұрын
Never mind where he says in Romans at least 3 times "Do we violate/nullify the Law?" and replies with "Heaven forbid! We uphold the Law". Or 1John3 where we're told "Sin is violation of the law" and people that "keep on sinning are not His". Hard to say the law has no validity when reading the NT itself.
@MrTnewell
@MrTnewell Жыл бұрын
Out of context your quoting, but if this keeps you close to Christ then keep it up.Any one can take scriptures to fit your narrative, we must rightly divide the word.Not a follower of the torah but i will follow Christ by the power of the Holy Spirit.
@rightousliving
@rightousliving 2 ай бұрын
Thank you. This really confirms what I began to believe a long time ago. I was very alone, though, in my findings and at the moment I’m seeing myself at a crossroad not exactly sure how to proceed. It’s easier to figure out what the New Testament doesn’t teach, a lot harder what it teaches, what the truth of a matter is.
@AM-ck4uj
@AM-ck4uj 2 ай бұрын
It’s interesting that someone can disagree with words spoken by God and still be referred to as “Christian” or “believers”
@simplydanny
@simplydanny 4 жыл бұрын
Tip of the hat to you Dave, great response and skillful use of the scriptures and sources. Honestly I believe that Torah Christians should form their own group/name to disassociate themselves from Hebrew Roots. As much as people don’t like labels it’s the reality of life, and at times I hate the Hebrew Roots label because of the lack of scholarship associated with it. Having a clear cut statement of faith and associating your name to it without putting a label on yourself helps as well. You can say I’m a Christian and I hold to this Confession of faith. Makes sense? Anyways just spit balling. Great video.
@DavidWilberBlog
@DavidWilberBlog 4 жыл бұрын
I agree, I feel like I have much more in common with your regular nondenominational Christian than I do with what often gets labeled "Hebrew Roots." I usually just say I'm Messianic or nondenominational Christian. And I actually do have a statement of faith I posted on my personal website lol.
@simplydanny
@simplydanny 4 жыл бұрын
David Wilber nice, I just looked it up and that’s exactly what I believe as well. It would be great if it can be made as a confession, like the Westminster Confession, where other Torah Observant Christians subscribe to it to separate itself from wacky HR weird doctrines out there. In reality TO Christians are no different than any other Christians out there, it’s just that we believe in keeping more of the Bible than others as an expression of love. Shalom to you my friend and brother in the Lord.
@paddydobbs2318
@paddydobbs2318 4 жыл бұрын
Wonderful. Well done dear brother. I enjoy your delivery full of chedwa. Yah keep you and bless you
@virginialowry4443
@virginialowry4443 4 жыл бұрын
I'm not exactly how all this works because what I know would fit on the tip of one of your eyelashes. As you taught/ explained the spirit inside of me was jumping up & down & doing cartwheels. I can't articulate what you said but I agree 100%. If I have some specific questions that might be better presented & answered in a more private arena, is there ae email address for thaat?
@DavidWilberBlog
@DavidWilberBlog 4 жыл бұрын
Sure thing! You can contact me through my website: davidwilber.com/contact
@Wretchedsinner777
@Wretchedsinner777 10 ай бұрын
Ill show my faith through my works
@kevinrosner8676
@kevinrosner8676 2 жыл бұрын
Excellent. I love how you show respect to other leaders who are correct on MANY topics and then address correction. You condensed this VERY well. It would’ve taken me two hours to explain what you said
@getx1265
@getx1265 2 жыл бұрын
Once again, a very logical, straight forward explanation of a tough piece of Scripture as opposed to the convoluted explanations/excuses for not doing anything that could show love of YHWH. Speaking of self-labeling, I've begun to just refer to myself as an Old Testament Christian, embracing its oxymoronic nature.
@k9centurionkilo765
@k9centurionkilo765 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you for your time and efforts in sharing the video, Matt 5:17-20 Maybe it would be helpful to possibly do a video on the "Hebrew Roots" movement on the strength and weekness in your opinion, so that we could get more of an understanding in the statement you said I'm not part of the "Hebrew Roots" movement, "I am a Christian who is obeying Torah". For I do to see a "conflicting" and "divisive issues" within the movement, that I think are "counterproductive" that could be based on Pride, and bring shame to the Name of Messiah, to the overall "understanding" of walking in the complete Word of God, and our obedience thereof as Believers in Yeshua. Thank you Shalom
@DavidWilberBlog
@DavidWilberBlog 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks! Great idea. I do have a video that touches on some of the issues called “Messianics are Christians.” But it would be a good idea to elaborate more fully in another video.
@k9centurionkilo765
@k9centurionkilo765 4 жыл бұрын
@@DavidWilberBlog David could you please send me a link to that video I would really appreciate it thank you and we're part of the small congregation in Gettysburg PA you touch on issues that are close to the heart and passion in Christian apologetics.
@k9centurionkilo765
@k9centurionkilo765 4 жыл бұрын
You have contact information that you can share in a public forum?
@DavidWilberBlog
@DavidWilberBlog 4 жыл бұрын
Sure thing. Reach out to me through the contact form on my website: www.davidwilber.com. Here's a link to that video: kzbin.info/www/bejne/hHbCl2CPltSCgLc
@jessiebass8670
@jessiebass8670 2 жыл бұрын
Great video brother has Andrew reached out is reached out to have a conversation with you is with you like He did with Caleb heg?
@DavidWilberBlog
@DavidWilberBlog 2 жыл бұрын
He has not, but I’d be willing to chat with or debate him on this topic. Let him know!
@ashersian2563
@ashersian2563 5 ай бұрын
The distinction between the Ten Commandments and the other laws of Moses lies in their origin, purpose, and nature: 1. **Origin**: - **Ten Commandments**: Also known as the Decalogue, these were given directly by God to Moses on Mount Sinai and were inscribed on two stone tablets (Exodus 20:1-17; Deuteronomy 5:4-21). - **Other Laws of Moses**: These include the ceremonial, civil, and moral laws that God gave to the Israelites through Moses, detailed primarily in the books of Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, and Deuteronomy. 2. **Purpose**: - **Ten Commandments**: These are fundamental moral principles intended to guide the ethical and spiritual conduct of all people. They are seen as universal and timeless. - **Other Laws of Moses**: These laws include detailed regulations for worship (ceremonial laws), guidelines for social justice and community living (civil laws), and additional moral directives. They were specifically given to the nation of Israel to govern their religious, social, and political life. 3. **Nature**: - **Ten Commandments**: These commandments are concise and comprehensive, addressing broad principles of morality and worship. - **Other Laws of Moses**: These laws are more detailed and specific, covering a wide range of topics from dietary restrictions to procedures for sacrifices and festivals. 4. **Inscription**: - **Ten Commandments**: Written by the finger of God on stone tablets, symbolizing their permanence and divine authority (Exodus 31:18; Deuteronomy 9:10). - **Other Laws of Moses**: Written by Moses in a book (the Torah), indicating their role in guiding the daily life and worship of the Israelites (Deuteronomy 31:9). 5. **Significance in Christianity**: - **Ten Commandments**: Often viewed by Christians as still relevant and applicable, forming a basis for Christian ethics. - **Other Laws of Moses**: Many Christians believe that the ceremonial and civil laws were fulfilled by Jesus Christ and are no longer binding on Christians (Colossians 2:14-17; Hebrews 10:1-10). This distinction highlights the unique role of the Ten Commandments as a foundational moral code, while the other laws of Moses served to govern the specific covenant relationship between God and the nation of Israel.
@BilaamsDonkey
@BilaamsDonkey Жыл бұрын
Have we considered that "salvation" is being saved out of slavery to sin, and not "Admittance to heaven?" We have a pattern shown to us in the Exodus and in the feasts. Not all of those who walked out of Egypt, crossed the sea, and wandered in the wilderness for 40 years gained entry to the promised land. In fact, only those who were little children at the time made it in. Yeshua said to become like little children.
@lettynin2508
@lettynin2508 2 жыл бұрын
If we have to be more righteous then the scribes and prophets to enter heaven, How will we make it? I know most Christians like myself to our very best to stay holy and stay away from sin but as humans we are not perfect and we fall sometimes. So how can we be more righteous them? I’m freaking out!!
@DavidWilberBlog
@DavidWilberBlog 2 жыл бұрын
Verse 20 is saying that members of Messiah's kingdom WILL BE more righteous than the Pharisees because we follow Torah in accordance with Messiah's interpretation. It is not teaching that we earn salvation by our works.
@8winsforme
@8winsforme Жыл бұрын
Thank you, David. Such a wonderful and clear explanation of this passage.
@damonpraiseelohim4045
@damonpraiseelohim4045 Жыл бұрын
Remember ten commandments translates as , "Complete Sayings"
@aletheiaquest
@aletheiaquest 2 жыл бұрын
Such clarity in brother David's teachings.
@archiestewartjr.3588
@archiestewartjr.3588 2 жыл бұрын
One more point is that the law has actually become more stringent. In the old testament God says do not commit adultery! Ok no sleeping around! Fine. But Jesus Christ said if you even thought about it your guilty! So the law surely is alive and well just like Jesus Christ! Thanks and God bless
@shannondyson6388
@shannondyson6388 2 жыл бұрын
Can you also explain in another video exactly what it means to 'walk in righteousness'? This video is excellent!
@shirosanada3302
@shirosanada3302 2 жыл бұрын
even before torah...I could clearly see that all interpretations of this passage really weren't good. they never sat well with me. I just couldn't make them work. And their exactly is the problem...make them work. We're not supposed to make anything work. it's supposed to fall into place.
@NebulousFrivolity
@NebulousFrivolity Жыл бұрын
I'm still confused. If you are to keep the whole law, then does that mean ALL of the cleansing laws? You didn't really detail the sacrificial system. You referenced it, but didn't say how you are making sacrifices and what they are for nor the priesthood, etc. You mentioned that some passages refer to some of those things still happening, but did not reference how all of those are to be kept today.
@DavidWilberBlog
@DavidWilberBlog Жыл бұрын
Totally get the confusion. A lot of what you bring up here was beyond the scope of this video, which was just about the meaning of Matthew 5:17-20. I recommend Tim Hegg's Book, "Why We Keep Torah: Ten Persistent Questions." Blessings!
@brotherEbenezer
@brotherEbenezer 2 жыл бұрын
If your brother sins against you, go to him and see if he will repent. If he won't then get a Witness to help. If still he refuses to repent then take it to the church. If the church can not get him to repent, excommunicate him.
@mrp3418
@mrp3418 2 жыл бұрын
Hi, you speak well and humbly and seem to be a genuinely nice guy. However, I have some opinions on whether we "must keep the law of Moses". Faith with good works James is talking about is not about keeping the (whole) law of Moses. It is about the commandments spoken by Jesus, its all about showing mercy and helping people in need, love. If you do not do that, you do not follow Jesus' words, which we should do. It is about an inner transformation to love your fellow human beings in a way you may not have done before. If this transformation is not seen, it may seem that faith is absent. But only God is the one who knows the inner man, not us. James 2 ”If a brother or sister is poorly clothed and lacking in daily food, and one of you says to them, “Go in peace, be warmed and filled,” without giving them the things needed for the body, what goodb is that? So also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead. But someone will say, “You have faith and I have works.” Show me your faith apart from your works, and I will show you my faith by my works.” And i understand it like this, that the commandments Jesus addresses have authority, because he is the prophet all shall listen to, not just commandments but all the words he speaks. It is derived from the law, from the Father. But when Jesus mentions them, they are his commandments, we see it in the Gospel of John. Jesus kept the Father's commands (the law) likewise we shall keep Jesus commandments. John 15 ”If you keep my commandments, you will abide in my love, just as I have kept my Father’s commandments and abide in his love.” Yes, this word to fulfill means to complete something and the question is what did he complete. Jesus himself answers that he came to fulfill both the law (to be justified so that the Father will be pleased with him) and prophetic writings about him. This was also done he says with his own words. Luke 24 ”Then he said to them, “These are my words that I spoke to you while I was still with you, that everything written about me in the Law of Moses and the Prophets and the Psalms must be fulfilled.” I understand it like this, that the whole point of the law was that someone would fulfill it so that the blessing would come to all people. The blessing is justification through faith in Jesus who fulfilled the law and even removed the curse. According to what God said to Abram, they would keep righteousness and justice (the law) so that what God spoke to Abram would be given. Which is: a people, a country, and a blessing to all people. Which is to recieve the Spirit by faith. They did not ”fulfilled” the law, but Jesus was the one who did it. Genesis ”For I have known him, to the end that he may command his children and his household after him, that they may keep the way of the LORD, to do righteousness and justice; to the end that the LORD may bring upon Abraham that which He hath spoken of him.” Galatian 3 ”And the Scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, preached the gospel beforehand to Abraham, saying, “In you shall all the nations be blessed.” The law had a curse but the curse was taken away by Jesus on the cross. The conclusion of this is that if the curse really is gone, it can no longer be punishable not to do everything in the law. Otherwise the curse is not gone and that would be a contradiction. Galatian 3 ”Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us…” When one is in Christ, one receives the promise, blessing, which is the Spirit, through faith. You are ”in Christ” by keeping his commands. Galatian 3 ”So that in Christ Jesus the blessing of Abraham might come to the Gentiles, so that we might receive the promised Spirit through faith.” Now we are free to observe feasts, Sabbaths, food rules, new moons and all that without fear of the curse. But there is also the freedom not to do so. We must not judge each other regarding these things in any way. If one thinks this it is necessary to keep the whole law of Moses for salvation, one must make the conclusion that the curse is not gone. Then Jesus really died for nothing. Do not get me wrong, it's a beautiful thing to practice these things. My own brother does. And sabbath is nice. But I do not agree that it becomes a must for salvation. Have you ever thought that this "must keep the law of Moses" for salvation, might be to go against the Holy Spirit? And from what I understand, Jesus was sacrificed once and for all for our sanctification. To have to sacrifice animals in the future would be to blaspheme his blood and not see it as enough. Would it really be from the Father? well, these were my thoughts on these things. God bless you brother.
@6969smurfy
@6969smurfy 2 жыл бұрын
One does not "have to do any thing" it's a free will thing, of Spirit of Heart. To put into the English terms.... There are numerous verses to witness this if you like? There is no longer a legal structure here on earth. YAH/God wants us now to find Him, His Word through your Heart. Lead by the Ruach Hakodesh ie the holy set apart spirit . Through the teachings of YAHshua Humasheoc AKA Jesus Christ. One should not think of it as legal structure. It's of pure heart and desire. Praise YAH firmly Worship YAH humbley Give thanks for the Messiah Halalu-YAH !
@k9centurionkilo765
@k9centurionkilo765 2 жыл бұрын
There's an individual you can look into his name is " Marcian" second century heretic, Marcian was condemned by his contemporary Church fathers. Marcian was considered a heretic because of his breaking of scripture and removing large portions of the Old Testament, as being faulty, and disingenuine in representing a loving God. Marcian hated the God of the Old Testament the God of hate. He promoted the God of love in the New Testament. Jerome called Marcian a heretic. But Marcians writing survived, and was picked up by Augustine, Luther, Calvin, and others and Marcian's writings influenced dispensationalism, and replacement theologys as well in the reformation and even to modern theologians as like Schofield. Marcian hated the Torah, Marcian is the one who coined the phrase Old Testament and the New Testament. He was the one to put forth the argument of the "war" of the law Torah and Grace antagonism. So are lenses, and or our views have been skewed by the second century heretic Marcian, and the Catholic Church as well as the early church fathers. The Reformation theologians, I mentioned above picked up marcianism writtings, and we have been impressed with views and interpretation of those writtings, that have been pressed on to the plain text of Scripture. Some things Yeshua has NOT fulfilled yet. See Genesis 3:15 And I will put enmity Between you and the woman, And between your seed and her seed; He shall bruise you on the head, And you shall bruise him on the heel.” - Genesis 3:15 "Bruise" שׁוּף [šûp] v. to bruise, crush, gape upon, desire?, seize?, strike out? (Qal) to fall upon, bruise The literal Hebrew says" crush". So the issue of Yeshua (Jesus) fulfilling the whole ( law) Torah or all future prophecies written in the 5 books of Moses has yet to be fulfilled , in Him Yeshua crushing Satan's head at His Second Coming, as listed in the Torah "Genesis 3:15." Also look at Deuteronomy 30 there is a dual prophetic language in that chapter that has yet to be fulfilled at Yeshua second coming as well. “So it shall be when all of these things have come upon you, the blessing and the curse which I have set before you, and you call them to mind in all nations where the Lord your God has banished you, and you return to the Lord your God and obey Him with all your heart and soul according to all that I command you today, you and your sons, then the Lord your God will restore you from captivity, and have compassion on you, and will gather you again from all the peoples where the Lord your God has scattered you. If your outcasts are at the ends of the earth, from there the Lord your God will gather you, and from there He will bring you back. The Lord your God will bring you into the land which your fathers possessed, and you shall possess it; and He will prosper you and multiply you more than your fathers. “Moreover the Lord your God will circumcise your heart and the heart of your descendants, to love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul, so that you may live. The Lord your God will inflict all these curses on your enemies and on those who hate you, who persecuted you. And you shall again obey the Lord, and observe all His commandments which I command you today. Then the Lord your God will prosper you abundantly in all the work of your hand, in the offspring of your body and in the offspring of your cattle and in the produce of your ground, for the Lord will again rejoice over you for good, just as He rejoiced over your fathers; if you obey the Lord your God to keep His commandments and His statutes which are written in this book of the law, if you turn to the Lord your God with all your heart and soul. “For this commandment which I command you today is not too difficult for you, nor is it out of reach. It is not in heaven, that you should say, ‘Who will go up to heaven for us to get it for us and make us hear it, that we may observe it?’ Nor is it beyond the sea, that you should say, ‘Who will cross the sea for us to get it for us and make us hear it, that we may observe it?’ But the word is very near you, in your mouth and in your heart, that you may observe it. - Deuteronomy 30:1-14 The statement "to the ends of the Earth" has only happened in the last 2,000 years. Even though this dual prophetic prophecy was pinned for 3,500 years ago. The verbiage back in the land was fulfilled when YeHoVaH brought them ( Israel) back from Babylon. So when Yeshua makes mention of" Heaven and Earth" For truly I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or stroke shall pass from the Law until all is accomplished. - Matthew 5:18 If all was fulfilled as some interpreted "as on the cross", and why are we still standing here on the Earth? We have so much to learn, and we think we can dive into the Torah and interpreted through our Greek Western imagery of the last 200 years of Western American theology that has been influenced by Marcian's writings from the second century until now. When if we follow Paul's example, he memorized every word of the Torah, he was taught by the most learned men of his day. And yet when Yeshua Jesus knocked him Paul off his horse and helped him connect the dots that salvation through Grace and it's not of any effort on our own is first and foremost the message part of the Gospel, but as James correctly interprets that are genuine conversion of faith needs to follow genuine" good works" by obedience to the Torah as defined by Yeshua Jesus in Matthew 5:18-20 Shalom
@shannondyson6388
@shannondyson6388 2 жыл бұрын
Can you please address 1 John 3:23.
@goldenarm2118
@goldenarm2118 Жыл бұрын
Don't get hung up about interpreting Mt 5:17-20. You can take either view if you look at the verse in isolation. But if you compare with the rest of scripture, and when you see that the law has changed in some places (no more animal sacrifices for atonement, for one) there is no other conclusion but to realize the more than a jot and tittle have passed from the law. The animal sacrifices have passed from the law. This is more than a jot or tittle. The day of atonement has passed. This is huge. This is way more than a jot or tittle. So no matter how you understand the "heaven and earth" clause, it can't prevent you from accepting that certain elements of the law have passed. With the above logic, with its foundation in the Biblical hermeneutic of harmonization, we can add to that the statements of Christ about how he fulfilled all things in Luke 24:44. Luke 24:44 And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me. Jesus, speaking to his disciples after his resurrection, is now calling their attention to the words he previously spoke in Mt 5:17-20. Here, in Luke 24, he is explaining how he fulfilled ALL THINGS. Thus, we see two evidences: The New Testament witness that the law has changed (No more animal sacrifices) and Jesus asserting after his resurrection that all things were fulfilled. Conclusion: there are other things that have passed from the law; physical circumcision, feast days, sabbath days, animal sacrifices (basically all the ceremonial law that prefigured or shadowed or typified Christ.) All the moral laws are eternal.
@DavidWilberBlog
@DavidWilberBlog Жыл бұрын
Respectfully, that seems like circular reasoning. The question is whether anything has passed away from the Law. Matthew 5:18 states that nothing will pass away from the Law until heaven and earth pass away and all is accomplished. You approach the text with the belief that some things have already passed away, and so you rule out the straightforward reading of this text at the outset. You are saying that you cannot take this text to mean what it says-that nothing has passed away from the Law-because "the law has changed in some places" based on other debated texts (not based on Matthew 5:17-20 itself). Maybe I'm missing something, but doesn't that seem like circular reasoning to you? You're starting with your conclusion and forcing Matthew 5:18 to fit with it. Now, we do need to consider other texts. But when it comes to harmonization, I think the texts in Galatians and Hebrews are more complex and should be interpreted in light of what Matthew straightforwardly says, rather than the other way around. We interpret the more ambiguous texts in light of the clear and straightforward texts. Blessings!
@goldenarm2118
@goldenarm2118 Жыл бұрын
​@@DavidWilberBlog Respectfully, in turn, what seems like circular reasoning to you seems like an attempt to mischaracterize my position. Perhaps you are sincere, however. I said at the beginning of my first comment that if Mt 5:18 were taken in isolation, we can come to your understanding. That is not circular reasoning. That is conceding your point. Only when I learn later on that Jesus asserts in Luke 24:44 that all is fulfilled (referring back to his words in Mt 5:18), and that the epistles assert changes to the law do thing become more interesting with Mt 5:18. This is not circular reasoning. Mt 5:18 is pretty clear. If the law has changed, then all is fulfilled. Or, if all is fulfilled, then the law can change. I don't know what is so difficult with understanding the change in the law that allows for a man from the tribe of Judah to be our high priest. I've seen your argumentation on this verse. I don't know what is so hard to understand the law has changed when Christ's one and only sacrifice has eliminated the need for animal sacrifices. The law has changed. Its pretty clear. Again, this is not circular reasoning. I consider Mt 5:18 first, in isolation, considering what it says. Then I harmonize it with the rest of scripture.
@cbtam4333
@cbtam4333 Жыл бұрын
Physical circumcision, feast days, sabbath days, and animal sacrifices were all honored and practiced for 40 years after the crucifixion by the same apostles who were inspired by the Holy Spirit to write the New Testament. Obviously the apostles didn’t think the law was done away with at the cross. Everything except the temple sacrifices were practiced by Christians for many generations afterwards. They clearly didn’t see any contradiction between following the Scriptures’ instructions and the upholding the gospel. The alleged dichotomy between the two things seems to have been a doctrine that developed after the New Testament was written, perhaps when the church had transformed completely from a Jewish movement to a Gentile one. It doesn’t seem to be soundly based in Scripture.
@husqvarna3726
@husqvarna3726 Жыл бұрын
Yeeeeesss! Love it!
@linak7155
@linak7155 4 жыл бұрын
Did my post get deleted? I guess it didn't make the cut!!?? 🤔
@DavidWilberBlog
@DavidWilberBlog 4 жыл бұрын
I haven't deleted anything. Not sure what happened. Feel free to repost!
@codyalexander3290
@codyalexander3290 2 жыл бұрын
@@DavidWilberBlog how do I approach the he claim that since there was a change in the priesthood that means a not or a tittle has passed?
@danielboone8256
@danielboone8256 Жыл бұрын
What do you think of animal sacrifice then?
@dennismaher9533
@dennismaher9533 Жыл бұрын
The Sabbath is 10 commandments ........Andrew needs to rethink everything
@archiestewartjr.3588
@archiestewartjr.3588 2 жыл бұрын
The Torah still absolutely does. We still follow the law! Do you rape, murder or steal?! No! Your following the law! Part of the amazing work of the cross and Jesus' character was he never broke the law. When we realize hat Jesus followed the law and commandments and kept them perfect even though none of us ever have! It should make you thankful and sorry! There are so many different Jesuses now. One loves gays the other hates them. One says don't worry about the law the other said he fulfilled it. We have to become United! God bless you
@carolwilliams5337
@carolwilliams5337 Жыл бұрын
Sadly, the law was notcapable of changing mens hearts. It was good as a school master to lead us to the knowledge of Christ. It convinced us that no one could actually keep it! No one could be made righteous by keeping the law. We are made righteous by Gods grace through faith in Jesus. How can we improve on that? We can only follow Christ by loving God and our neighbor. If we concentrate on keeping the law we will fail in our discipleship. Jesus allowed his disciples to work on the Sabbath, Jesus worked on the Sabbath, Jesus actually superceded the law because he was Lord of it! If we can see that then we will understand Pauls writings that show that Gentiles especially do not have to keep the law, and Paul and Peter did not either. They were careful not to just tell everyone to abandon the law because there is value in it, but we must interpret it differently.
@Clerick1987
@Clerick1987 9 ай бұрын
Jesus seems to not have changed some hearts either.
@Clerick1987
@Clerick1987 9 ай бұрын
You do not call yourself Hebrew Roots because people have different definitions of what that is, but you call yourself Christian despite 40.000+ denominations? This kind of distancing is imho not helpful. Regardless, I like your videos and teachings. Yah bless you.
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