The TRUTH about Tom Cruise: ex-scientologist Jon Atack reveals it all

Ex-scientologist Jon Atack reveals the truth about Tom Cruise, and exposes the cult of scientology, talking about everything from Tom Cruise and John Travolta to Mao Zedong, free will and the difference between religion and cult. Jon has been a speaker on scientology documentaries.
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[@deanedge5988]

I bought a house from Jon in about 1981. I havent seen him since but I can safely say that then he was one of the smartest, funniest and most palpably decent people I have ever met. A perfect illustration of quality of people drawn to the madness. I am so pleased that he has freed that fine intellect from the snares of a cult and used it for the public good. Though I do remeber on the day we were supposed to move in he hadnt quite struggled out of bed and we had to help him and his family pack. Its a tribute to his charm that we didnt mind a bit.

[@vickilawrence7207]

I didn't hear him explain the issue with sleeping late but I can relate to that. Me and my kids and grandkids are ppl in need of lots of sleep and I've always been a late sleeper causing issues bc the rest of the world is on a different schedule! 😂

[@mikeborgmann]

​@@vickilawrence7207it was within the first 60 seconds of the video

[@holly3905]

I’m 66 too, and have gotten crap about staying up too late and sleeping in too late for all of my adult life! Soooo much shame! I’m so glad now I have an excuse, and don’t have to beat myself up or put up with others calling me lazy! Thank you, thank you, thank you! ❤❤❤

[@Kathiebaxter]

I love to read comments by people who like to write. Beautifully told!

[@MG-hz7wi]

A friend of mine went to a Scientology boarding school in the 1980s for about 1 year. In one class, she was told by the teacher that the aim of Scientology was to take over the world as quietly as possible. I was a kid at the time and I laughed but now it doesn't seem so funny

[@Tampo-tiger]

Hubbard's like a bloody James Bond villain.

[@scroopynooperz9051]

take over the world how exactly? by making people laugh at space aliens in DC-8s? xD

[@luvyatubers]

Same thing said in Tulsi Gabbards cult

[@hughjanus5336]

Muslins share the same documented goal. Infiltrate subtly, proliferate rapidly, usurp culturally. There are many historical and current ongoing examples.

[@barbaraderock2166]

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[@TuberRose333]

Tom Atack appears to be shy. But what a fierce and articulate intellect!! I learned a lot from this interview. Thank you both.

[@AcuPunk]

What a fanfreakintastic discussion!! I love the discourse towards the end. I hope that these topics are more easily discussed in our culture moving forward… comedians are having to be brave for all of us by breaching the subjects and breaking the silence!

[@1gypsy731]

Much respect to Andrew Gold. Thank you for your amazing education. I could listen to you for hours.

[@AndrewGold1]

Wow, thank you

[@Rachelshmachel63]

Oh Andrew … The sleepless issue right here 👋🏻 I’m 63 , I have it , my son has it . Yay to us !!! 😊

[@lochamb1234]

Vladimir Putin is known for working to 3 AM and gets up around 11AM ...he's 70

[@redraven_the]

Andrew, you not knowing what "eugenics" is (as a word and which role it played in the nazi-past), caused me physical pain. 😳

[@mattball3118]

Brilliant guest. I've seen a few interviews with former scientologist but this is the best so far. Jon has great understanding and insight into the cult 'programming'

[@AndrewGold1]

Thanks Matt! Love that you're going through these, and still enjoying them. Totally agree, Jon is so smart and different!

[@sunshinemagicalrainbowunic4004]

Wonderful

[@ChristinaChrisR]

Absolutely agree, very special, knowledgeable, and funny man!

[@erciliaflores]

Jon seems like the sweetest man, too, along with very knowledgeable and interesting. Glad he got out of the cult

[@seeleeuk168]

Great to meet others who are 'night owls'. Something I've had since childhood too and spent all my baby raising days feeling jetlagged and struggling. After my kids had grown up people have often mocked me saying how lazy I am for waking up so late, or sleeping all day till I firmly put them in their place when I ask them certain questions. 1/ How many hours do you sleep?... Reply; oh, I need at least 8 to 9 hours. Me; well I sleep only 6 on average. 2/ What do you do with your spare time? Sit twiddling thumbs while watching tv? No hobbies?... Reply; yes, I watch TV and I don't have any hobbies.... Me; Well, I cannot sit twiddling my thumbs watching TV I have to be doing something at the same time, like knitting, crochet, sewing, painting (I'm a pro artist) crafting etc. So who's the lazy one now? Long, long ago we used to be the Night Watchers who took care of the Clan while they slept. 😎

[@AndrewGold1]

Oh that’s a great point about the night watchers. Never thought of that! Great to meet you, hope you spend many evenings watching this channel now!! (While also doing your hobbies!)

[@seeleeuk168]

@@AndrewGold1 Thank you! I'm currently knitting a full layette for a baby doll to sell LOL. Enjoying your videos very much!

[@AndrewGold1]

@@seeleeuk168 Oh lovely! Thanks !

[@indiamitchell9833]

There’s a whole other world that works at night and sleeps during the day. I’ve always tried to work at nights. But my in-laws used to call early in the morning and call us lazy and say we were “sleeping the day away.” We started calling them at 3:00am and say “why are you asleep? We just got home from work!”

[@seeleeuk168]

@@indiamitchell9833 LOL Good one! I used to get called lazy too so I used to ask how many hours did they sleep. The usual reply was 'oh I need a good 9 hours' then I would say 'well, I only sleep 6, now who's the lazy one?' Then I would ask what they made that day in their spare time while watching TV for eg; 'Nothing' was the reply. 'I cannot sit and just twiddle my thumbs while watching TV I have to be knitting, sewing, crochet, craft or paint a picture. So, who is the lazy one here?' .... Nuff said LOL!

[@jbuggy21]

I was in high school in the early 80s and I remember getting a tutoring session from my Algebra 2 teacher. I don't remember what got us to that point in the conversation, but I made a wisecrack about Dyanetics while working a problem at the chalkboard. He proceeded to tell me that he actually went to college with L. Ron Hubbard and that he was a real crackpot even back then. He said Hubbard was trying to convince other students that they could walk through walls and other mystical stuff.

[@AndrewGold1]

Haha. No way !! Fascinating

[@merricat3025]

Wow

[@vickilawrence7207]

From the get go! Anyone that would believe this shit is seriously needing some help & they get trapped in this web..LRH certainly did his research on how to keep the wolves from the door tho. Ill give him that! But it absolutely blows my mind that so many intelligent ppl will follow along like sheep & never look up to see where they're going until it's too late. They become so defensive & angry when questioned..ie, kirsty alley..she goes to code red when asked a question & is so pissy it's ridiculous.

[@keikurooka5105]

😂😂really crackpot. My late father told us about Hubbard and his belief but esp his con religion before there was Tom Cruise

[@mattkaustickomments]

They are no longer getting many new people at all. It is the second and third generation people that have grown up knowing nothing else that continue to follow the gibberish. I feel really sorry for them and wish they would sue their parents for child abuse.

[@SolaGratia.]

"Scientology is the outpouring of someone who has a psychological condition." - WOW. I believe that, 100%. I wonder how many charismatic cult leaders would fall into the same category.

[@ahomeforallanimals]

Cult leaders always have their class photo taken on the worst day and thats the one they have. They are charasmatic thats why people follow them. They are smart and get what they want. All they need is people who are lost and looking for somewhere to belong and thats it

[@brenda0823_]

Jim Jones

[@MrSoopah]

look at the stable genius

[@Loveoldies50]

Like Donald Trump!

[@SolaGratia.]

@@Loveoldies50 💯

[@frankhyde484]

This lifetime of experience that Jon Atack has been able to use amazes me, answers questions and makes me question belief even more. Thank you. Each day there is so much to learn.

[@AndrewGold1]

Thanks Frank - I couldn't believe how much he knows either ! Hope you stick around on this channel, love chatting to positive people like you.

[@eloise22422]

@@AndrewGold1excellent show! I really loved your guest. Wow what an intelligent man! Thanks Andrew.

[@liseklerekoper2441]

Excellent interview!!! I had never heard of Jon Attack but am so glad I do now. What a brilliant, personable & engaging man.

[@SolaGratia.]

I love Jon Atack. I found him quite recently, but I could listen to both of you talk all night long. You both have fantastic voices.

[@lindaolsen7089]

"Scientology is the outpouring of somebody who has a psychiatric condition". So perfectly stated, Jon Atack. And scientology invites all to go down the rabbit hole and donate, donate, donate and fundraise, fundraise, fundraise. So the able become more able.

[@L.K.Rydens]

Thank you for speaking about what happened to mentally ill and disabled people, it's not talked about enough ❤️

[@ane-louisestampe7939]

And the homosexuals.

[@Lavender-blue80]

What a pleasure to listen to people who speak coherently and use correct grammar. They are few and far between these days

[@evaadams8298]

I was thing the same 😀

[@ai9476]

They are shrinking people and erasing their memory. They do that to hide the truth. They take over peoples past lives and everything. It’s an attack and I’m not even sure who’s in charge. I don’t feel safe and I been worried sick about everyone I haven’t heard from. I hope y’all are ok. Listen people they can shrink you to a baby or grow you full grown in days, literally in days.

[@Tampo-tiger]

Absolutely Ros.

[@mae8861]

And he doesn't say "Like" every third word.

[@Lavender-blue80]

@@mae8861 or “basically, you know what I mean, baby mama” to add a few more.

[@Carissa99Xo]

I don't get the reference to satanism, could he elaborate what he meant?

[@petercarroll3977]

L Ron Hubbard went to the cupboard to fetch his meds. But when he got there the cupboard was bare and Ron decided to write a book instead

[@AndrewGold1]

Haha thanks Peter

[@kcc-karenschroniccorner9432]

I was diagnosed with delayed sleep phase syndrome from sleep studies. I have definitely had this from childhood and was labelled and lazy when I struggled to get up early. I always feel more awake and cognitively alert later in the day.

[@donnamorgan-jt5ts]

I’m at my best in the wee hours-I find staying up all night much easier than waking early if I have an early appt.

[@nshorus5001]

Truth about Tom Cruise? You only mentioned him for around 10 seconds. False advertising!

[@AndrewGold1]

10 seconds? That's false advertising

[@pjj9491]

We all know the truth...read Troublemaker by Leah...Tom is Miscavage clone

[@maryannlockwood7806]

Leave it to New Jersey to be the place Scientology got started. But at least we had the guts to take it to court! I definitely can see where he’s coming from about being subjective as opposed to objective. This was a really good one again, Andrew. You keep hitting them out of the park.⚾️🙋🏻‍♀️

[@AndrewGold1]

Thanks Maryann! Glad you enjoyed it again. And yes, back to basics, with the beliefs theme. I did a lot of ex-cults and religions very early on, as you know, and it's nice to return to those. Speaking to Chris Shelton from Scientology tomorrow, so that'll be fun too!

[@jonatack7693]

The Garden State that planted Scientology and then realized it was a weed...

[@AndrewGold1]

@@jonatack7693 Haha exactly. Though I'd love to visit some day.

[@maryannlockwood7806]

@@AndrewGold1 we’ve got great beaches, pizza, not to mention funnel cake & Zeppoli‘s. 🏊🏻‍♂️🍕😋

[@AndrewGold1]

@@maryannlockwood7806 I can't wait!

[@sonjab6127]

I like listening to Jon Atack. He has such a library of knowledge - mostly from his extesnsive personal research but also his experience while he was a Scientologist. And he is a good speaker - clear and logical. I hope you can have him back again.

[@MichaelYoder1961]

Great interview! Jon is a wealth of knowledge and lived experience. I follow his channel and he has a lot of great videos and interviews that dive into "cult think" and how people get involved as well as other subjects around coercive control. Thanks Jon and Andrew!

[@AndrewGold1]

Thank you Michael! He’s brilliant

[@fay5479]

My ex is a malignant narcissist... spot on description, thank you!!! Sadly I took him to court, 5 mobiles full of threats, witness, lost 16 kilos in 3 weeks...and I lost. I was the 4th woman to take him to court, there has been another 4 or 5 since over 10 years...zero justice.

[@martina5296]

That's the only true way to describe a narcissist. 'Malignant narcissist' Malignant narcissists are pros at manipulating and deceiving others, even intelligent people. The ones who get fooled by them, not all, oblivious and don't ever question them. Even if they were asked questions the answers would be gibberish and nonsensical and many people don't realize their questions haven't been answered.

[@fay5479]

@@martina5296 they groom the whole community, not just the victim...

[@Roses-lilac]

The only way to deal with a narcissist is zero contact. Difficult I know but the only thing that has a chance of working.

[@Squeakslacombe]

I've seen so many video's about narcissism, I start to realize how much of a narc my ex was

[@76blackwidow]

Thank you Jon Atack, what a sharp gentleman! 💜

[@AndrewGold1]

Absolutely, I loved interviewing him. Hope you enjoyed, and get a chance to keep watching and commenting on videos on my channel :)

[@76blackwidow]

@@AndrewGold1 oh yeah, great interview. Enjoyed your appearance with Shaun Attwood and Chris Williamson too. Wish you all the best, great work!

[@AndrewGold1]

@@76blackwidow Oh thank you so much! I've been on a bit of a promotion push, going on all these podcasts. Great guys, Shaun and Chris, I really enjoyed doing them!

[@layaclode6363]

Thank you so much for sharing the concept of eveningness. I too have experienced this all my life (I’m 61) along with the subtle or not so subtle almost moralistic injunctions against being a night owl. The period 10 pm to 3 or 4 am is like heaven to me. The rest of the world is asleep! The frenzy of daily materialistic life has died down; the air is clear and still; and you know you’re not going to be disturbed. That’s the time that I can dive deeply into my mental/spiritual work without feeling drained. it’s so good to know that there’s an acceptable diagnosis that goes along with us now! Thank you from Aus 🇦🇺 Love you guys! 🥰

[@karenk2409]

I completely understand your love for those hours of peace! I get mine from 4am to 7, but it's the same phenomenon. My favorite time of day.

[@nerdyali4154]

I really wish Jon Atack would stop with this misunderstanding of epigenetics Genes don't mutate epigenetically, epigenetics only changes the expression of genes. Epigenetics cannot express a trait in a way that isn't coded for in the gene, it is basically selecting from pre-evolved ways of expressing genes. Dawkins selfish gene model is not contradicted at all by epigenetics. Both Shelton and Atack trash mainstream evolutionary theory without seeming to have a proper understanding of it.

[@AndrewGold1]

This is the problem with having a host who doesn't know very much - this is way above my station! So I shall have to take your word for it! I hope you enjoyed the episode/series anyway :)

[@stiofanofirghil1916]

@@AndrewGold1 No Andrew, that's what partly makes you a great host.. You don't make out you know about thing's you really don't, so you're more impartial until the facts are in.. 👍

[@AndrewGold1]

@@stiofanofirghil1916 aw thank you!!

[@stiofanofirghil1916]

@@AndrewGold1 You're very welcome Andrew.. 👍

[@ukwhitewitch]

I'm so glad I found your channel.....so many fascinating episodes to watch, can't wait to start! I love your style, letting your guest actually talk and explore an idea.... So many interviews are really just the intervewer taking centre stage and not allowing their guests to speak, but you don't do that. I've just subscribed and wish I'd found your channel earlier!

[@AndrewGold1]

Oh thank you so much!! Glad to hear it. And don’t worry about finding it late because now you have so much to binge!!

[@TWANOOTWANII]

at 11:55, Atack counts Modi amongst the pathetic, little, tyrannical dictators along with L Ron Hubbard and that itself is worth the life time price of my internet subscription. Thank you Jon Atack, we love you.

[@AndrewGold1]

Haha fantastic. I do hope you'll stick around on the channel Anish!

[@gretchenbaker7435]

What an absolute treat listening to the actual historical past of the cult with the interesting anecdotes. Should be an inspiration to all night owls ! Fascinating and informative

[@AndrewGold1]

ah thanks Gretchen, Jon's amazing. Got more on scientology, lots more coming up

[@missmerbella]

JK Rowling is 100% right. Biology is undeniable.

[@CandysFavorites]

Hubbards books were awful!

[@AndrewGold1]

This doesn't surprise me! Thanks Candy, hope you enjoy the channel.

[@cindiwindi]

I have had this exact sleep gene and slumber time my whole life, which made me a highly tired child but I was never able to break it, every job I have had follows my natural sleep schedule thank goodness. I got it from my dad, who has been on 4 to noon his entire life as well. So cool that there are others 🙌

[@AndrewGold1]

Interesting, thanks Cindi!!

[@ai9476]

They are shrinking people and erasing their memory. They do that to hide the truth. They take over peoples past lives and everything. It’s an attack and I’m not even sure who’s in charge. I don’t feel safe and I been worried sick about everyone I haven’t heard from. I hope y’all are ok. Listen people they can shrink you to a baby or grow you full grown in days, literally in days.

[@debbieklahn1263]

Yesterday, I found your podcast through your interview on Profiling Evil. Loving your various topics and what an insightful conversation with Jon Atack! I am a follower of Jesus(not considering myself religious) but have experienced many of same tactics of attacks when asking the hard questions to people in churches with walls. In any kind of group there can be the same unhealthy elements of emotional following, rejection or attacks when you disagree with the group. Confirmation bias is alive and thriving everywhere and most of us don't recognize when it is occurring.

[@AndrewGold1]

Debbie what a pleasure to hear/read from you! I'm so glad you came over from Mike's channel, he's the best. And I'm glad you can relate to this stuff and are able to see it when it's there!! Hope you keep enjoying :)

[@debbieklahn1263]

@@AndrewGold1 Mike is awesome and very kind! I love that you can have diverse conversations and still show respect to those with differing beliefs. You interview with very different angles which I find refreshing! Looking forward to listening to your other podcasts!

[@JessicaC.]

I grew up in Clearwater, Florida. In High School we used to buy cartons of eggs then drive by the church in Downtown Clearwater and Chuck the eggs out the window @ the Scientologists walking around. Because they walk everywhere 😊 We felt we were truly doing the lord's work. I pray 🙏 teenagers are still committing drive-by eggings. I encourage it. Just don't get caught! In my day, there were no Cell phones.

[@D4n1t0o]

32:50 is the Tom Cruise bit. Title's a bit clickbaity, he's hardly mentioned.

[@AndrewGold1]

I did put out a new slightly longer bit on Tom Cruise from Chris Shelton, have you seen that? It is a bit clickbaity but I feel like I stayed on the right side of that. At the end of the day, I have to put something in the title...and if I just put 'Jon Atack discusses Scientology', then about 10 people would see it.

[@D4n1t0o]

@@AndrewGold1 Hey, it worked on me. I clicked because of it and ended up watching the whole thing, even subscribing because of the quality of the interview. My initial comment was just an expression of slight annoyance at feeling 'had' by the bait. I'm subscribed to Chris Shelton and have already heard his thoughts on Cruise, but thank you.

[@AndrewGold1]

@@D4n1t0o Yeh I think the person to blame is KZbin! They make it that way. I wish, wish, wish that it would show my video to people if it were just 'Chris Shelton on Scientology' or whatever. Thanks for subbing, hope to hear more from you soon !!

[@randipearson4930]

I could listen to this guy all day !! He’s so intelligent!! He should be a college professor!! 👍

[@beatrizweck6457]

me too!!

[@EmbraceTerror]

I have a soft spot in my heart for Atack. This is the first time I've heard him talk explicitly about emotions as the entry point (my words) for being hooked. Glad to hear his advancement --.he's almost there. Being hooked by scammers has nothing to do with intelligence, and everything to do with emotions -- ways we are NOT taught how to connect with and understand our emotions that scammers of any type use against us.

[@ai9476]

They are shrinking people and erasing their memory. They do that to hide the truth. They take over peoples past lives and everything. It’s an attack and I’m not even sure who’s in charge. I don’t feel safe and I been worried sick about everyone I haven’t heard from. I hope y’all are ok. Listen people they can shrink you to a baby or grow you full grown in days, literally in days.

[@beatrizweck6457]

yep!!

[@kimberlygabaldon3260]

"Eveningness." I like it. It sounds so much better than just calling myself an insomniac. I was that way since early childhood, in the 60's. And you're right about the stigma. People just assume that we're lazy. That has always been my natural pattern, but then to make it worse; in the 80's, i was newly divorced with two preschoolers. I lived in a rough neighborhood. Peeping toms, burglars, (one time the dog started barking @3:00 a.m.. The next day i found my kids' bedroom window partially pried off, and a crowbar on the ground), so it didn't feel safe to go to sleep until it got light out. I felt as if i had to "stand guard" all night. Then i would get up, take the kids to daycare, then crash.

[@layaclode6363]

That must’ve been such a difficult time for you. In a way it was probably a blessing that you have eveningness and were able to stay awake through the night to ensure the safety of your family. Kudos to you! Blessings from Australia 🇦🇺

[@kimberlygabaldon3260]

@@layaclode6363 Thank you. 💕

[@germainewright7348]

Misleading title. Except it is interesting. Not much said about Tom Cruise.

[@nomansland4811]

TC does absolutely nothing for himself. Assistants, chefs, valets, security, bodyguards etc. etc. they do literally everything. They’ve built buildings for him, installed security systems you name it. I’m not sure he even wipes his own ass.

[@Elizabethselby]

Love the way you interview. You delve pretty deep but manage to stay fairly neutral and always respectful. You don't mock people and it seems like you're always genuinely interested

[@AndrewGold1]

I appreciate that, thank you Lilith!

[@lindaolsen7089]

Stimulating and fun interview. Great chemistry with the two of you. Thanks, Andrew and Jon.

[@AndrewGold1]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@dluelmo]

My parents were on one of the ships (sea or members) and Dad said one of the punishments was keehauling. Rope tied around the feet and not only pushed into the water, but actually swung under the boat.

[@AndrewGold1]

Wow thank you for sharing that Dea. That's awful!

[@tillymay8271]

So tom cruise did they make him do that

[@golddragonette7795]

That's insanely dangerous!

[@janetcoombes8483]

No wonder Tom Cruise never disobeys them and keeps on grinning !

[@Dani-Ami]

Tom Cruise can do whatever the hell he likes in Scientology!

[@southernborn1358]

You simply cannot reason with an unreasonable person. It’s literally impossible.

[@waynetaylor7838]

Super deep conversation. This is part the best of what the internet has to offer! 👏🏽

[@AndrewGold1]

aw thanks wayne!

[@lesliewells1062]

I'm a total night owl and it does bug me that people think I'm lazy because of it, even though it sometimes does interfere with what I need or want to do with other people. Thanks for another really great video. Jon Atack is such an interesting intelligent, well spoken man, I love hearing the two of you talk! It's like getting to eavesdrop on two well spoken, smart guys talking to each other with respect, while they talk about about subjects I'm very interested in! Thank you!

[@evaadams8298]

You’re not lazy, just have different sleep patterns. Thank goodness we are all different 😀👍

[@lesliewells1062]

@@evaadams8298 Thank you! Wouldn't it be nice if everyone thought it was a good thing for people to be different instead of trying to cram us all into the same cookie cutter?

[@mrmeerkat1096]

@@lesliewells1062 I'm the same and people think I'm a loser for it. Ive even now got a job where I finish at 1am and I go to bed around 4 in the morning. Its not a choice i just can't sleep until that time.

[@lesliewells1062]

@@mrmeerkat1096 Isn't it frustrating how people judge people based what hours they sleep? It's ridiculous! It makes sense that you can't go to sleep until 3 hours after you get home. People have to wind down and relax a while. Who is busy for hours and then drives home, takes off their clothes, gets in bed and is asleep in 10 minutes? No one!! That not the human body works! We all have to wind down before we go to bed. I'm sorry people are giving you a hard time about it--that is so unfair!!

[@mrmeerkat1096]

@@lesliewells1062 not only that in my job which is working at pop concerts and nightclubs and any bar that stays open late, the atmosphere and music and just the big crowds give you a adrenaline rush, so its hard to wind down from that when you get home. Then I have to shower have something to eat, prepare my uniform for the next day and do it all again. So on my days off when I sleep late people shouldn't think I'm lazy. Thanks.

[@Thunderpuddle]

This such a great interview, such insight and honesty.

[@helpdesk8691]

Big fan of Johns. spent years watching his channel. Another cracking interview - onto the next !! Bring them down !! TeeRob DownUnderSA

[@AndrewGold1]

thank you!

[@southernborn1358]

My husband, who was one of the most well-read, intuitively smart people I’ve ever had the blessing of encountering, told me essentially this: L. Ron Hubbard was somehow in the company of 3 or 4 very driven, smart men, maybe playing cards or something-but that essentially, Hubbard made a bet that he could, in short order, create a religion that would have a huge draw of members and thus make himself rich-then, he wrote Dianetics, created Scientology, and won the bet. I may not be repeating exactly what he said, but that was the gist. Have you ever heard this?

[@lizlanman47]

They were all writers

[@normastone1044]

Yes, I was told by a coworker back in the '90's that L. Ron Hubbard made a bet that he could create his own religion.

[@luvyatubers]

There are many eager ignorant people searching for something new... who willingly give their selves away to the bs. Hubbard new that

[@lovestodesign]

He actually got the idea from Alister Crowley, an atheist man who was called the most evil man alive, by even relatives that knew him. He said the best way to get rich quickly was to create a FALSE religion. So the actual IDEA for Scientology originated with Crowley from years before, even though it’s Hubbard that did the work.

[@southernborn1358]

@@lovestodesign that makes sense. I couldn’t remember the whole story, but thought it was interesting to share. Thanks for providing the missing pieces of the story my husband told me a few years ago.😺

[@DawnSuttonfabfour]

Late to the party but this was a very interesting, well put together discussion. Thank you both.

[@AndrewGold1]

Ah thank you Dawn, hope you enjoy the channel!

[@mattkaustickomments]

I have a circadian rhythm that is off with the rest of the world. It’s really frustrating. Was perfect for when I was in college, playing in a band and able to schedule my classes to not start before 11:00am! My current employer allows me to start at 9:00am, and that’s still a struggle.

[@DowntownTasty]

I’m the same with the late rising. My mom would ALWAYS demand that I “need to be on a schedule and wake up by 6am” when in reality I AM on a schedule just not on HER schedule. She’d demand this even when I was an adult who worked evenings lol

[@AndrewGold1]

we're all on different times!

[@conemadam]

Jon Atack is brillliant. I had never heard of him before.

[@TruthSeekingElf]

I got in because they had a billboard outside the org stating ´´Think for Yourself´´ which I loved as I was always anti establishment. I wanted to help the planet as an empath... six years later I had lost my soul and my sanity. I saw them turn beautiful people into psychopaths in the end. It was horrific. The warning signs were there but the love bombing overroad that particularly as I had had a very unstable and abusive childhood. Excellent interview thank you both.

[@lovestodesign]

They advertise “think for yourself “and when you join, they spend the next few years brainwashing you to think exactly like them! Thankfully there are some that don’t fall for it and actually manage to escape, but usually only after several unsuccessful attempts. They even make members sign that BILLION year contract, because Hubbard believed in reincarnation.

[@ahomeforallanimals]

Im a Christian and you can get the Bible for free it doesnt cost millions. I would love to have been at the pearly gate when hubbard showed up and God had to have a discussion with him about who was in charge

[@fay5479]

I live in Spain and Catholicism has some very useful loopholes...or advantages. Confession being one.

[@AndrewGold1]

Yep like the mafia guys in movies. Do what you want and then confess

[@donaldsimons6055]

The word Aryan has roots in world that Iranians called themselves by Aryia, meaning free, noble and steady. The word Iran is derived from this very root, having been transformed from Aryan to Iran, meaning the land of the Aryans. .

[@AndrewGold1]

Really interesting, thanks Donald!

[@friskjidjidoglu7415]

On the part about “smart” people falling for things, I think that there are a few important things to note. And the first is that being educated or learned, doesn’t mean that one is smart, but rather just knows a lot of facts. And the second is that-I think that it’d be fair to say- that smartness is more about how well one is able to apply and think about information. But I do think that truly smart people are able to fall for things jsut like that rest of us, because they’re still people at the end of the day.

[@DebraJean196]

I’ve always called it vampirism myself, but I love your hours Jon! Been living themselves as often as possible, and always now that I’m retired!

[@neildazley1872]

Isn’t it funny that groups of humans are like “my beliefs are correct” and “no, my beliefs are correct” when none of them actually know if they’re correct! Look at scientists, they can’t entertain the possibility that the wonders of the world/universe are way bigger than the human brain can understand. They’re like “how can there be a higher intelligence than ours?” 😂

[@AndrewGold1]

ha, thanks neil! :)

[@Rachelshmachel63]

I subscribed to BOTH YOUR CHANNELS ‼️‼️‼️‼️

[@katengemann]

Thank you for trying to educate people from these kinds of cults.

[@johnjoanisse5760]

As A Canadian 🇨🇦 you really don't Hear about Science to logy it's Bad Enough you HEAR about TRUMP And His B'S

[@darlenewaters11]

I really liked this man very interesting and intelligent

[@AndrewGold1]

He’s great! Thanks Darlene

[@vickilawrence7207]

I really like this guy! He's brilliant and not afraid to tell it like it is! I have ALWAYS ALWAYS thought that Scientology was a absolute crock of unmitigated SHITE! how anyone could fall for this for any length of time ill never understand!! But im sure i don't fully understand what people might be going through in order to fall into this trap! If, indeed, Tom Cruise feels like he was "cured" from his deslexia by going through the program of scientology then I can understand why he might be firmly enconsonced in this ideology bc my son is deslexic and it has been somewhat devastating for him. He's always felt less than and embarrassed by his inability to read or write very well or even express himself clearly bc of his lack of accessibility to the words he wants in a timely manner 😢

[@avalonmist254]

Just found your channel and I have so enjoyed binge watching videos!🌠

[@AndrewGold1]

ah thank you so much avalon! hope to see you in these comments quite often :D

[@katieemmalees2029]

Interesting episode, and I enjoyed it… but you kind of lost me when you said that Tom Cruise is not that bright…fair but that’s not got alot to do with him being dyslexic. Dyslexia is not at all correlated with intelligence! Many professors, drs and scholars are dyslexic. Tired of correcting people on this.

[@wonderwoman5528]

Another excellent interview as always

[@AndrewGold1]

Thanks for listening!

[@pjj9491]

Didnt LRH live with and "party" w Alistair Crawley and his psycho ilk😂😢😮

[@diane4488]

Just as you say, critical thinking is often subjective, though the premise of it, is that it is completely neutral. Jehovah Witnesses believe they have been taught to 'think critically' - but when you look at the 'facts' they present, they dissolve into nonsense. In fact they just repeat what they are told.

[@susannicholson3661]

Just wondering, how can TC be so high in Scientology and be dyslectic? That's a disability.

[@AndiHesk]

I have slept like that for years, the same as my mum. I worked nights for years to make it work for me.

[@AndrewGold1]

Same!

[@AndiHesk]

@@AndrewGold1 even sleeping tablets don’t work. I gave up bothering to try changing my natural pattern years ago. I saw you on GB news today, I am sorry I hadn’t found your channel sooner. I look forward to making my way through your uploads. Xx

[@AndrewGold1]

@@AndiHesk Ah thank you Minandi! I wondered if that appearance might get some new subs. I look forward to chatting with you on here!

[@AndiHesk]

@@AndrewGold1 I am just about to search your library for a second interview to watch. Xx

[@AndrewGold1]

@@AndiHesk Hope you found one!

[@MichelleEBelle-qi8dt]

Tom Cruise is a monster.

[@kayetompsett1887]

I realize I've come a year late to this interview but what a brilliant interview! I found the roll of conversation between you and Jon very easy to listen to. For the record (or not) I am a night owl too. I find I have my most interesting thoughts and am most productive between the hours of 11: p.m. and 3:00 a.m. Although I love to be awake during these hours it can work against me sometimes. I am a teacher and trying to cover a yawn can be difficult at times. My students miss NOTHING lol! I wake naturally around 6:00 each morning so I guess this makes me an early bird too 😳😵‍💫😴 Come to think of it, I think I need to find a way to get more sleep. Regardless...(I do tend to waffle on sometimes lol)!, I will always be a night owl. The easiness of what your interview with Jon seemed, made me want to listen to more. I wanted it to continue for a bit longer. Very fascinating and educational. I'm looking forward to catching up with your content. Blessings.

[@AndrewGold1]

Thank you !! I should be asleep now !

[@kayetompsett1887]

@@AndrewGold1 Ha!

[@ai9476]

They are shrinking people and erasing their memory. They do that to hide the truth. They take over peoples past lives and everything. It’s an attack and I’m not even sure who’s in charge. I don’t feel safe and I been worried sick about everyone I haven’t heard from. I hope y’all are ok. Listen people they can shrink you to a baby or grow you full grown in days, literally in days.

[@NanaLisa.]

Hearing and knowing what I know about Hubbard the one thing I understand more than anything else is that the man was severely mentally ill and this I think is why he was so much against psychiatry, he didn't want to suffer this alone so he made up this cult and looked to find as many like himself as he could also to push as many others to this point that were on the ledge of insanity due to life's stresses or just loneliness and needing a place to feel a sense of belonging. for me this would have to be the only reason anyone could believe the absolutely insaneness that was Hubbard as to Miscavage I think he is in it completely for the money and power don't get me wrong the man is insane no doubt Tom also I fell is this same kind of person but he is also this very sad weak person not to offend anyone but I feel it takes a very weak minded person to be so fooled into a cult my sympathy is for the children born into or dragged into this and groomed.

[@kathyotoole4608]

Just finding these videos and loving them! And my family are night owls as well!!

[@jsythe7143]

Dude lost a little credibility when he compared Boris Johnson to L. Rob Hubbard.

[@Loveoldies50]

Wow! Me, too! I'm up late and sleep late. I HATED my alarm. I always said that the first thing I’d do when I retired was to take a hammer to my alarm! As for dyslexia, I can understand why Tom felt so inferior. In those days they had nothing that would help kids in normal schools to overcome it. As a teacher I had a child with severe dyslexia. I spoke to his parents about it. The only option I could say to them was to have him watch a lot of PBS. Nova, Frontline, science programs of any kind, etc. He liked to talk about science. When we talked about science in class he understood everything I was saying. He just couldn't read it in a book. Luckily, I didn't use the book much. I used hands on whenever I could. I’ve always wondered how he turned out. Then my cousin's son was diagnosed with dyslexia. She was like a pitbull. She made sure that he got every help that was available to him. and what the school did not provide for him she provided for him. He’s doing great as an adult. But, with Tom, unfortunately, his dyslexia turned into an inferiority complex. Scientology and acting gave him a superiority complex. He chose superiority, for which you can’t really blame him. The problem is he’s now an egotistical jerk, thinking he knows everything about everything.

[@donnamorgan2522]

John mentioned Scott Morrison-his first action as Australian PM was grant his Church $250,000

[@donnariahi2975]

I used to say I live on vampire hours- go to sleep between 4 or 5 sleep until noon, was always was my best. Finally found a Doctor who not only believes me but wants to work with me. Apparently I have a skewed Circadian rhythm, but whose to say my rhythm is wrong.

[@chrisharper7950]

You lost me. Ragging on Trump….the one fighting for you…is pure ignorance.

[@ajalvin2012]

Fascinating stuff !y I remember the Glenn Hoddle thing wasn't it that he said people who got asthma had it because they'd been pressed to death in a previous life or some such nuts balls crazy idea....🤔🤯

[@AndrewGold1]

Ah man. Bonkers !!

[@donaldsimons6055]

I skimmed through this hoping to hear about Cruise and Travolta. Where is it ?.

[@AndrewGold1]

Shoot - we do talk about it somewhere. It takes so long to add those chapters though, so I haven't done for this one. But it is def there. There's one I did with Chris Shelton too, where he talks longer about them.

[@donaldsimons6055]

@@AndrewGold1 I spent about seven years in Scientology in the seventies and knew John Atak but not well. IMO scientology is total B.S.

[@AndrewGold1]

@@donaldsimons6055 Thanks Donald! Great to have you on this channel, I do hope you'll continue to enjoy it and comment. Good to hear you're out of it, and that you knew Jon. He's a fascinating guy.

[@donaldsimons6055]

@@AndrewGold1 I found your channel on Chris Thrall's.

[@AndrewGold1]

@@donaldsimons6055 Oh fantastic, I didn't realise it was out. Just had a look :)

[@carolewenman4558]

Hi, there are some questions that Phillip Seymour didn’t die from his own hand with drugs. He had be clean for a very long time thats why its suspicious. I’ll just leaving that to your imagination after he was in a very controversial film about 3 to 5years ago.

[@ajalvin2012]

That's the thing about L Ron Hubbard it's assumed that he's the "charismatic personality type" but I just don't see any charisma in him 🤢..

[@AndrewGold1]

Exactly !

[@infjintegrityvsnarcissism7295]

Yes, though he has more than DM

[@pjj9491]

I know...he was fat and greasy w nasty hair and rotted teeth....ewwwwww

[@kymmcl8435]

Love this guy he seems so credible i believe every word keep exposing this cult

[@AndrewGold1]

Do you agree with Jon's thoughts about belief and scientology? Comment below to let me know.

[@maryannlockwood7806]

Yeah to a certain extent I definitely do. I mean I’ve seen people go gaga over certain political figures, I’m sure I don’t have to name him. But it’s not just him I mean look at political figures of the past and what people did because of what they said. Although sometimes I think that those atrocities were committed not only on behalf of the person who probably felt that way in the first place and felt that was a excuse for them to act upon it.

[@AndrewGold1]

@@maryannlockwood7806 As usual, you've summed it up perfectly Maryann. Amazing how belief works.

[@karineroumache9124]

I certainly do. I wouldn't be that severe about critical thinking, though. It doesn't make you immune, for sure but he could have gone further down the rabbit hole without what it. Also I find very interesting what he says about weaponnized empaths.

[@maryannlockwood7806]

@@karineroumache9124 it is scary that anyone can be taken in. I was raised a JW & although I’m not college educated there are so many people smarter than me that have been taken advantage of. 💁🏻‍♀️

[@AndrewGold1]

@@karineroumache9124 Ah yes, weaponized empaths is a really intriguing concept! By the way, just checking - are you able to access the bonus interviews in your KZbin Membership, Karine? I'm not sure how it works for you - I am uploading those bonus videos for members like you, so want to make sure you can find them.

[@Khaleesi_Of_Kittens]

*So, where's the Ton Cruise conversation? Might want to RENAME THIS VIDEO.*

[@AndrewGold1]

can't remember, it was ages ago - but i have a playlist with about 50 videos about him on my channel page.

[@samfromthorne]

Wish I’d seen this comment earlier. Thanks stranger, saved me 30 minutes 👍

[@JWuntoldtruthAustralia]

Great interview. I like what u guys said, once u get a set of values or beliefs those beliefs will own you.

[@AndrewGold1]

Absolutely! Thanks for watching and commenting

[@raoulduke344]

As Richard Dawkins pointed out, looking at scientology is a great way of seeing how a religion develops (specifically Scientology and Mormonism as those religions are in their infancy), and can study it: the way Hubbard is spoken about, who aided him, who betrayed him etc. He was obviously an awful person and there's many terrible stories about him (being a lecherous creep who went to see in order to get away with taxes and sexual-abuse) but we can imagine a future where scientology has taken over and can imagine what people would say about his detractors (would they be seen the same way as Christians look at Judas Iscariot?) and his supporters. Makes you think what Jesus, Mohammed or Moses were really like.

[@AndrewGold1]

100% !! Although whisper that last bit quietly haha! Salman Rushdie paid a big price for writing something similar. I respect you for saying so though and agree.

[@AndrewGold1]

Also - your other comment about finding the channel disappeared. Always happens for some reason - I can see the preview but KZbin seems to have deleted it. I never delete them myself. Anyway, thank you so much for the kind words, it makes it all feel worthwhile. And hopefully it'll start to grow through word of mouth!

[@raoulduke344]

@@AndrewGold1 Of course, Salman Rushdie and Dawkins were both very good friends of Christopher Hitchens, so it's possible Salman Rushdie gave Dawkins the idea, or maybe it's a conversation they've both had before?

[@raoulduke344]

@@AndrewGold1 I don't understand what happened as I was only talking about your interview on Shaun Attwood's podcast (definitely recommend). Nothing critical or controversial, even in this day and age.

[@AndrewGold1]

@@raoulduke344 It seems to have a mind of its own, really!

[@JB-dt9ef]

I didn’t hear anything about Tom Cruise.

[@hansjuker8296]

I love how Jon talks and animates. His facial expressions and his speech. Fascinating to see.

[@karineroumache9124]

Again a very interesting guest ! Do you know about anthroposophy ? It is like an alternative scientology. Very opposite in the way that they don't like science, but with the same syncretisms from the New Age (which goes far back). They are far from harmless. They convey Nazi ideology (of course not as such, more un thé Mme Blavatsky way). They own banks (Trios, sold as an ethical bank), Weleda (medicine by plants), are involved in permaculture and biodynamics because Rudolph Steiner, their spiritual leader, invented it. And they are behind the Waldorf- Steiner pedagogy. I came close to them as a translator but never entered the system of beliefs. The funny thing is how : as a translator, I wanted to do things right so I checked everything... And realized how dangerous their shortcuts were. There is a guy I know who fights them. He was a former teacher in their system. As soon as he exited the cult and criticized it, he was accused of child abuse. The court found him innocent (twice). He is also under constant cyber harassment. Unfortunately he doesn't speak English. But since you are interested in those things, I think you will find someone who does the same as him but speaks English, too :)

[@AndrewGold1]

Wow fascinating ! I'll write it down as something to research later. I have someone from the 'Moonies' and another Scientologist coming up soon, so it might be too much cult stuff in a row! But definitely for alter on. You are a fountain of knowledge Karine!

[@karineroumache9124]

@@AndrewGold1 no, I'm just curious, like you ;) And sometimes curiosity almost kills the cat ;)

[@karineroumache9124]

But yes, I understand, I try to vary topics, too ;)

[@AndrewGold1]

@@karineroumache9124 It's the spice of life!

[@karineroumache9124]

@@AndrewGold1 absolutely !

[@AnoukEss754]

Every time I hear about Scientology and the push to spend more money reminds me of when I did Landmark Forum. They harass you so much to bring people on and sign up for more course. The courses aren’t as $$$$ as Scientology but still they are on average $550-900 a pop. I found out later that there are definite links between the two. I did 5 courses of the Landmark Forum, kept being told I wasn’t coachable bc I didn’t sign up for more courses or bring people along. Plus they want people to work & crew for free at the centre. I got really worn out. After 4 years of trying my best, I was done!! They are also definitely cult-like.

[@RandalTurnerMKULTRA]

I use to write music for a lot of high profile pop stars and rock stars, I would sleep 4 hours then wake up and work in the Corporate world and Movie industry during the day and sleep 4 hours then wake and back to music. I slept 8 hours a day but split the sleep into two sectors to allow me to work in both industries two jobs. I would sleep through the busy portion of the day 3-7 or 4-8 and miss all the rush hour traffic and noise :-)

[@AndrewGold1]

Ah I know that feeling. We sleep differently. Do you sleep normally now Randal?

[@lisap9936]

I was persuaded to take the test by a Scientologist recruiter in Tottenham Court Road in the early 70s while waiting for a film to start in a nearby Cinema. Yes cinemas still existed then! I took it but frankly was not impressed or at all hooked. ( Of course they told me l had x and x defects and all the rest). I should add that throughout the 60s l had been member of another ‘ cult’ which l would prefer to refer to as a Philosophy Society, to avoid negative connotations. It greatly helped me in the beginning when l really needed it, but gradually the very charismatic leader added to and modified the ‘ material’ teaching a medley of stuff taken from different sources which l could no longer find acceptable. But had l not already had this experience, l don’t believe l would have got hooked into Scientology. My intuition warned me that something was weird here and it was best to get away fast!!! 😅

[@melissasw64]

Okay--I don't really care when people sleep, but I've always thought that humans are not made to be nocturnal. If we were, we'd have eyes that are adapted to low/no light. Like a cat or a possum. I suspect it is more a matter of habit. Of course, I guess I could be wrong, but it just doesn't make sense to me.

[@AndrewGold1]

I did a good episode a while back with Dr. Stuart Farrimond, who wrote the Science of Living. And he found evidence we have evolved to sleep twice in the day. So napping is important, but just 20 or 90 mins. That is different of course to what Jon is saying, but I can imagine particular genes making a minority have a different pattern. Actually, I don't know what I'm talking about but I am happy you're on the channel, and hope you keep enjoying these!

[@melissasw64]

@@AndrewGold1 LOL I don't know what I'm talking about either. Just an observation. Cheers!

[@lesliewinchester8225]

@@AndrewGold1 It’s called circadian rhythms. Supposedly there is a lull in the day from 1 pm - 3 pm Dr. John Little related to me.

[@AndrewGold1]

@@lesliewinchester8225 fascinating!