Hornady 190gr Sub X 300 Blackout! Did I FINALLY Find my Home Defense Ammo??

[@kamikazekunze]

As someone whose used a 230gr .45 ACP, I really like the idea of a suppressed 300blk with 220gr round, quieter and in a package that’s arguably better fitted for home defense. 😊 Sub’d

[@MegaAppleshit]

For real, 300BLK subs are basically shooting a 45acp+P without the capacity hit that comes with shooting big ol' .45s. There's a reason that 300BLK is my favorite rifle cartridge. XD

[@jeremys4461]

I load 300 blk with Hornandy 190 subx, 11.7 grains accurate 1680, chronographed at 1055. Love it.

[@DanielInfrangible]

Hey! That’s my recipe, too!

[@kfranklin308]

What barrel length?

[@andrewmconrad]

@kfranklin308 that one has a 8.3" barrel

[@granddad-mv5ef]

Andrew, I can't imagine viewers being mad at you. I guess that is just KZbin. I always enjoy your content, even with only one block of gel. LOL

[@andrewmconrad]

lol, thanks.

[@roguespriest]

this ammo feeds very easily has great ballistics love this round thank you hornady also not too expensive either when compared to the other 2 dollar a round HPs, overall just great stuff

[@andrewmconrad]

Definitely going to be my home defense round moving forward. I'm planning to do another drywall test soon to see how it'll react

[@archipelago93]

Did you make this video? Subs over-penetrating indoors is my main concern (I live in an apartment). Not sure if most people understand physics/terminal ballistics. But think of it like this: imagine a large, heavy egg dropped from only a couple feet up and landing in a lake-it’s going to land and sink and keep on going. Now imagine a small egg dropped from a tall bridge over a lake traveling very fast-it’s going to explode. In short: it’s all about energy delivered *on target.* Not just how fast the round is traveling. And at subsonic speed, not nearly as much energy is delivered via expansion/fragmentation/etc.

[@pjbiggleswerth8903]

Round is dogwater

[@brianbelliveau5551]

That’s a big projectile , that will probably take out a intruder for sure.

[@andrewmconrad]

110%

[@anthonycowan25]

**leaving hateful comment**

[@aarondmason808]

Much better choices out there. 194 grain Lehigh maximum expansion is what I use

[@goodwater2020]

Scope/dot was off but You pulled awesome group! New Sub. Good work Bud.

[@davidcritchley5993]

This is the ammo I use in my 8.5" blackout with a Nomad suppressor.

[@christopherpeterraby]

the ammo is nice but expensive as shit I have one box at home and I don't even want to shoot it, lol

[@whatsmolly5741]

Hey i swear berrys 220g plated 300 blk bullets legitimately have more expansion than than this, at least compared to the bullet in the thumbnail. Especially of you file off the copper on the tip, not enough to change weight like 2 grains maybe. Like .75" perfect flower kind of expansion that looks more like a pistol caliber hp fully expanded. Iv tried alot of .308 bullets but the plated rounds seem to have a much easier time expanding at the lower velocity. The jacketed bullets even sp and hp tend to do exactly what the pic shows with only the tip expanded or (more likely) no expansion at all, the the round just kinda gets bent in a twist. If this is the best a round designed for sub use can do id definitely just go with the plated bullets. The sole downside is that you cant load them past 1300 fps but thats irrelevant for sub use. I kinda wish they were more boat tail though.

[@chupacabra304]

I am going to try Gorilla 110 grain TAC-TX, but will also try their other subsonic solid copper rounds

[@kennetholp5042]

What was the barrel length that you used?

[@andrewmconrad]

8.3" barrel

[@googlechicken]

There is a company out of New Hampshire , Discreet Ballistics that makes a 187 gr hollow pt that performs quite well check it out I think you will be impressed

[@trashedmechanic1987]

I wouldn't adjust it. Thats at 25 yds and for home defense you won't be nearly that far away. No need to to adjust. Lock and load. Dont forget, it is very likely the projectile will hit bone cutting down on overpenetration as well.

[@andrewmconrad]

Yeah, very true.

[@BornYooper]

I reload with these - a little more economical at about 43cpr (.33 for the bullet, .04 for the powder and .06 for the primer). Great defensive round if you want to remain quiet.

[@andrewmconrad]

I hope to into reloading at some point for this exact reason. Thanks!

[@themoose66]

Maker bullets has some much much more impressive subsonic ammo that expands much better than these. Black Butterfly also has some ammo loaded with maker bullets. You should check them out!

[@Kornpop45]

I was shooting this ammo and it left a shit ton of a yellow sandy substance in my gun. Anybody know what that is.

[@isi12345]

@wickstickp30 Interesting, I thought it was the new anti-seize, I just bought. good to know.

[@obeii1805]

What is it ?n y?

[@isi12345]

@@obeii1805 Not sure what's its called but I've seen it with other peoples guns too. Anyways, no issues, gun continues to work without any issues, but I do clean it after using that ammo.

[@foxcm2000]

I like 300BLK a lot, but I don't use it for home defense because even after doing a boatload of tuning including ultra-light buffer, tuned spring, lightweight BCG, and a suppressor that adds gas, my AR rig (Bravo Company upper) is still only marginal with 300BLK subsonic for reliability. Super fun to shoot, but not quite there for life or death stuff.

[@whatsmolly5741]

What length gas system is it? If it's pistol or carbine length you rarely have issues just swapping a barrel onto a reliable 5.56.

[@whatsmolly5741]

I accidentally swapped weights in a buffer and forgot about it so my 8.2" 300 blackout has had an h3 buffer in it and it has no issue with running subs without a suppressor.

[@almaadams3631]

To bad CMMG dosen't make a 357sig Banshee.

[@warhawkofchogoris8555]

10mm

[@toneybud8380]

There isn't a round on this earth that could ease your paranoia.

[@jansobieski7470]

When checking groups for accuracy, it doesn't matter where they land, (as long as they are on the paper) ... 😊

[@TheCaptnHammer]

I’ve got two boxes of this to test out this morning in my CMMG Dissent 6.5” 300 BLK. I got my new Banish 30 Gold can in and got the gas set correctly with some AAC subs, but I’m hoping these feed well and mushroom nicely!

[@andrewmconrad]

@@TheCaptnHammer sounds like a solid setup!

[@GlendaleAZFlyBoy]

You can see the smoke/unburnt powder coming from barrel and magwell. This is some of the dirtiest ammo I have used. The projectiles are great, I reload them using Viht N110. Awesome round. I will never buy the Hornady loaded ammo again. Nasty stuff.

[@dsrrecordsent]

Lil gun n H110 ain’t bad either-Cleaner than the factory BS 🤷‍♂️

[@lucasschmitz4588]

Had no issues with the hornday stuff out of my 16in which leads me to believe a big part of it is barrel length

[@kurtphillips7038]

Hornady makes some of the most accurate factory ammo out there. Clean your gun when you’re finished! Not really that hard.

[@pjbiggleswerth8903]

If u like this round, you must be new here.

[@slb_clip]

Good video thanks for testing which is the best home defense round caliber (300blk suppressed) and now what ammo type. It’s helping me figure out my setup.

[@andrewmconrad]

Thanks, that's what I'm trying to figure out as well

[@evanshall]

Just 465 ft lbs of energy at the muzzle. If I'm carrying a rifle, I want better performance than that.

[@americanmade422]

Get a tank

[@pjbiggleswerth8903]

6:18 cant believe anyone would run this over a 194 ME. Just a poor decision.

[@almaadams3631]

Going from supers to subs; that group isn't that far from zero.

[@jamesshirley5875]

It performs better with the denim in front of it, helps push the plug in further letting it flower

[@andrewmconrad]

Yes, I need to start putting a few layers of clothing in front of the gel to get it's intended effects

[@The3OfSwords]

Just dropped down to leave a hateful comment. Definitely a shoddy video. Totally didn't subscribe. Certainty will not go through your catalog and watch more of your videos.

[@Matt_b146]

I don't know. Seems like an honest guy doing an honest review. Since no 2 guns shoot a like, results will always differ. However, something can always be learned. I thought it was very informative for this gentleman's situation and setup. I personally will take away what I can from it.

[@davemiller505]

Great Video, would have liked to have seen it through 4 layers of denim though

[@andrewmconrad]

Thanks. I'm about to embark on a lot of new videos, some updated version with going thru layers of clothing. Just finishing up some work stuff and then back to the channel 🙂

[@ratsniperslugs]

What barrel length? I’m thinking of getting a 300 Blackout upper for my Maxim PDX SBR. Currently running 5.56 with 62gr M855 @ 1960 fps and a CGS Helios…looking for a quiet round. Even suppressed I need ear protection with the 5.5” barrel on the PDX. The M855 has 530 ft lbs at the muzzle so the 190 or 220 in 300 would be similar. Great video! 👍🏻🍻

[@andrewmconrad]

8.3" barrel. This is definitely quiet enough to shoot without ears, 100%. I don't have an adjustable gas block on this one either. On my next build yes, but not this one

[@ratsniperslugs]

@@andrewmconrad Thanks! 🍻 I think I’ll go with an 8.5” PSA upper. That way I can use my AB Raptor 6 titanium (8” min bbl in 300 AAC) 👍🏻

[@jonathanhochreiter8811]

Great video

[@Dwayne7834]

Thanks for the video. The round would put a hurting on you. I would like more expansion from the round.

[@andrewmconrad]

Maybe it'll be better with clothing in front of it? Might have to retest this one in the future

[@craigmelchiano72]

My gosh, it's so quiet that I want to turn off the gas and hear it without the bolt slamming back. amazing.

[@jeremyjeremy8795]

there’s a handful of threaded barrel 300blk bolt guns out there, Ruger makes one that takes STANAG’s and the specific 300blk PMAGS

[@obeii1805]

Mines 300 gun isn’t suppressed I’m not feeling the stamp process.. so is this still a good round for me?

[@jeremyjeremy8795]

subsonic even unsupressed is still not super loud, I wouldn’t wanna be indoors all day dumping hundreds of rounds without ears on but for a handful of rounds in a defensive situation you’re probably walking away with some ringing but unlikely to create lasting damage, compare that to a short barreled unsupressed 5.56 indoors and you’re probably looking at some degree of hearing damage

[@lordvito3395]

No

[@luizfranca420]

For short range I don’t see why is it better than 9mm

[@blackopssavage]

Both will do the job but 300 blk has better BC.

[@es4583]

The bullet basically didn't expand at all? That looks like horrible performance for an expanding bullet.

[@chrissewell1608]

Your rig sounds pretty quiet!

[@andrewmconrad]

It's definitely quiet. I had a friend shoot subsonic 300BO for the first time and he was amazed at how quiet it was. Not Hollywood quiet, but quiet nonetheless. I don't like the stock buffer system though, sounds terrible.

[@chrissewell1608]

@@andrewmconrad I read the instruction manual for a .22 caliber suppressor. It said "While shooting, Don't forget, you gun is not a toy!". I thought what a silly statement! Until I loaded up some sub-sonic ammo... Then I realized, how easy it is, to suddenly become complacent about gun safety. Because the gun was so damn quiet! Without the loud bang, our brains suddenly go into "Its Safe Mode"! Its wierd!

[@andrewmconrad]

I completely understand. I'm looking forward to my 22 suppressor. I definitely want to get a bolt action for that also. I heard ot's just a few decibels louder than dry fire 😳

[@davidbetbadal7424]

I may have missed it, but which rifle are you using? I didn't know if that set up can be purchased like that. TIA​@@andrewmconrad

[@andrewmconrad]

@@davidbetbadal7424 spikes tactical upper 8.3" barrel. Spikes lower with enhanced lower parts kir. Sb tactical pdw

[@DrewGalas-hr8qf]

You’re not gonna be aiming slow for groupings in a self-defensive situation

[@mikehancho1613]

Exactly what I wanted to see out of this round thank you for taking the time!

[@Lure-Benson]

In the other KZbin video tests with this bullet, I got the feeling this bullet would be excellent loaded into 30-30 ammo and with the blunt soft plastic point the loads can be safe to use in tubular magazines. The current top weight commercial loaded 30-30 ammo is a 170 grain so the 190 grains would be great when the 30-30 is not used for long range hunting. I also would like to see what this 190 grain bullet does from a 308 win

[@wstarks50]

WHATS THE TWIST RATE OF THIS BARREL? DIDNT CATCH IT MENTIONED.

[@geneotrexler8246]

Good video 👍🏼

[@richardbarnes4699]

what's the altitude at the range you were shooting at?

[@mohammedcohen]

...I'm impressed!!!

[@danpeppers5564]

been reloading the sub-x 190gn for my home defense round, really great bullet.

[@sgtspaulding9461]

What powder?

[@danpeppers5564]

@@sgtspaulding9461 CFE BLK

[@godsdozer]

@@sgtspaulding9461 Baby powder :)

[@JustASouthernGuy79]

I custom built an integrally suppressed 300blk for my home defense build, but have been struggling to find a load that I like. I haven't tried the Hornady Sub-X yet, but it is now definitely on my short-list to try next!! Thanks for your video.

[@andrewmconrad]

I've got another build in the works, this one with an adjustable gas block, so I'm hoping that I can get others to cycle thru that as well

[@JustASouthernGuy79]

@@andrewmconrad I've been having cycling issues myself actually. I've got a Liberty Suppressors "Leonidas" Gen I, built on a Stag Arms LH upper, w/ a Law Tactical folding stock adapter, and generic stock tube, buffer, and spring. I'm wondering if the buffer/spring are causing my problems; I want to try out the JP Enterprises "silent capture spring package" with spring pack . . . alas, I haven't got $300 to blow on an experiment.

[@dsrrecordsent]

208AMAX has a great BC, very accurate, also made by Hornady and is not velocity dependent like a HP they tumble to make a wide wound track on the subject&are good subs👍

[@Buckdog37]

What kind of buffer spring and buffer are you using? For some reason my 300blk will not cycle this ammo. Please help!

[@andrewmconrad]

Pretty sure it's just a standard spring and buffer spring, but my new 300BO will have a JP enterprises SCS

[@andrewmconrad]

I had trouble cycling with the Hornady 208gr A-max

[@virtuaguyverify]

Get a adjustable gas block

[@cwally1994]

.300 BO unsuppressed with subs might need to open up your gas port size if it isn't cycling. Use H1 buffer.

[@dasboot9471]

What weight buffer are you using and what type spring?

[@lowandslow3939]

Nice video. Disappointing expansion. Perhaps with clothing in front of the gel… I have a box although I have not tried it yet. Need to stock up on some subs. I’d like to see you do a comparison of impact points between subs and supers. Several years ago I shot both at a range. At 100 yards, there must have been a 6 inch drop from super to subs. A good thing to know when you switch rounds. That’s a helluva holdover.

[@wilstandridge7388]

👍👍👍👍👍

[@andrewmconrad]

👍

[@OneWingedGuitar]

I've tried these out quite a bit and cannot get them to feed reliably. I get a lot of FTF or double feeds even with a 5.56/300 BLK PMag. I have found online that its common due to the short snub nose of the projectile. Most other subs run great, with few exceptions. I have to know what mag you are using for this?

[@andrewmconrad]

Pmag 300blk. I'll have to run some more just to make sure. Last thing I need is a FTF in a critical situation

[@OneWingedGuitar]

@@andrewmconrad I would assume you would've noticed if you had issues. Mine fails about every other round. It's a shame too, I think it's a fantastic round. Some guns just don't like them I suppose.

[@scott2228]

@@OneWingedGuitartry some Lancer 300BLK mags. If u still have issues then it’s not the mags.

[@danpeppers5564]

I had the same problem and went to a H3 buffer and it totally solved my problem, it slowed down the feeding just enough to work.

[@timowens7214]

​​@@scott2228this right here ☝️ I mainly shoot this because my LGS has it stocked all the time. Great round but very dirty and you get a lot of filler on inside of upper and lower

[@ajdube9967]

Great vid! Just ordered a PSA upper for home D. As far as a rifle round the 300 isn't very impressive. But if you think of it as a pistol round with a suppressor🥵

[@Theredeemedchild2]

I chose a 8 inch 300 blackout. I shoot ss bullets for many reasons. One being everyone can hear it. I want people to know I'm in a gun fight so they will call the police. Secondly the concussion when fired on the other end of the rifle is debilitating to the bad guy. Also the damage the bullet does is better. I don't want a silencer because of all the gas in my face making it hard for me to see. Nothing like a gun fight going on and tearing up badly.

[@warhawkofchogoris8555]

Spoken like someone that's never been in a close quarters gun fight indoors. The concussion and back pressure effects you too, it's not an advantage

[@Theredeemedchild2]

@@warhawkofchogoris8555 warrior poet agrees with me. He has a video on it. Look it up, it is something like which gun is best for home defense.

[@Swampytheroot]

Take a look at Sonoran Armament and their 190gr Raptor. It fragments sort of like a Liberty Defense bullet. Subsonic with I think better terminal effect. Nice video. Good shooting with a 1moa Dot. Nice group!

[@andrewmconrad]

I looked them up and will try a box. Thanks for the suggestion

[@jermainejermaine8252]

def not at that price that would be insane

[@MarvinSaiz]

Unfortunately it’s not a subsonic round. SubX is a subsonic round that preforms well and just over a buck a round.

[@mwgallotte1]

Why in the hell would you run subs when you can run supers? I just don't get it. You aren't Delta running clandestine missions.... Defend yourself with 3x the energy and put the bad guy down for the count!

[@1337RedFox]

Some of us like our hearing when firing in a structure. 🤡

[@wallstbull1]

When in your house..subs are better. Unless you’re throwin’ on your ear pro during that 5 seconds of fight at 5 meters.

[@JamesKPolkIII]

Dumbest thing I’ve heard, you don’t need supersonic for home defense. Especially if you have neighbors and family in the house.

[@mickjagger850]

You would be better off not saying anything. Your ignorance is astounding.

[@roul3688]

If you’re in an apartment/condo/duplex, subs could be ideal. Plus they’re generally softer shooting and less concussive indoors. If you have a can, your kids might not even wake up.