NEW DENON RECEIVER!! Denon X3800H Review

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[@angelstudiosmggsg3196]

Hi guys long time that I don't leave a comment for you guys to read if I had a choice I will get this one and I will wait for the updates I'll tell you why because every day I turn on my TV my computer my phone anything the first thing I do to check for updates so I'll be okay waiting for the updates because honestly it'll be worth it for that price would be worth it for me honestly can I get away with it when not bringing what they promise all the time with me no but I will give him I will give him a chance if it delivers a good first audio experience right out the box if you know what I mean so yeah the whole update thing there's some days I don't get update to my phone anyway I guess that's the future for companies am I proud of it no but I guess that's the future that we live in right now is we had to wait for updates anyways love you guys and God bless have a great day guys love you so much guys see you on the next one

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[@michaelnickens8793]

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[@KristiWright]

@@michaelnickens8793 So happy you joined us! It's 6 Underground. FYI - That info is (always) noted in the description as well as noted on screen!

[@charleyweinhardt]

is there a difference in sound quality between the s760h and the x3700h?

[@DrAlanWeinstein]

This year thanks to Andrew and Kristi, I purchased the Onkyo RZ 50, the Polk R700s, the SVS Micro 3000, (yes used all their links to show support and so should you) and have not regretted one recommendation! Enough said!

[@andrewrobinsonreviews]

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[@DrAlanWeinstein]

@@andrewrobinsonreviews You guys are the best and people don’t realize how hard it is to do what the two of you do. So nothing wrong with giving a little help.

[@DrAlanWeinstein]

@@michael-4k4000 that’s the beauty. We all find something that works for us in our quest for better viewing and listening.

[@davel4449]

Bought also the Rz50 and I am on my way to buy a subwyand two new left and right channel speakers, looking for 8000f or I wishhhhhh they could review the monolith encore T6 loudspeaker they deserve way more attention then they receive

[@mikeschmidt2339]

do u still have ur tx-rz50, do u still like it I just got one 2 week s ago

[@therealboofighter]

I like how you put the title of the video or game that is being shown. I find that I keep watching your reviews even though I am not in the market for the products. Andrews style of presentation and the banter between him and Kristi is great. You two are doing a killer job of these reviews.

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[@KristiWright]

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[@therealboofighter]

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[@umrryan]

QOL updates just keep improving 👏👏👏👏👏

[@ericdorfler6454]

I've had the yamaha rxa6a for a few weeks and I'm completely thrilled. I had the yamaha rxa2040 for years and it was good, but what the rxa6a can do in terms of sound is worlds apart. i run a 9.1 setup and i always wanted this quality. all updates that yamaha promised were delivered. there are no problems with hdmi 2.1 or other technical failures. ps5 and xbox seriesx run fine. your review of the yamaha rxa6a back then wouldn't be the same today and your new review would amaze you. all denon owners have fun with it,

[@jerameyregimbald2137]

Any chance you can review the AVR-X4800H? For close to $1000 more than the 3800h, with nearly the same specs, it would be great to see where that extra cost was put, and why you would choose the 4800H over the 3800H, if at all. Apparently the components are better, with a better DAC in the 4800. Can you hear the difference though? I think a lot of people would be interested in knowing. Thanks!

[@rushgush]

all that money for garbage amps. and then u look at just processors. and the price is just as absurd.

[@jerameyregimbald2137]

@@rushgush yeah, this can be an expensive hobby. For most people, most of this stuff doesn't matter. For some, it does. I actually bought the x4800 shortly after I made that comment.i heard the 4800h had much better amps, than the 3800. I still hooked it up to an amp. My 5 bed layers are being powered by the amp and the AVR is powering the 4 height channels. I still can't find many people reviewing it. It seems like a pretty good receiver. I just don't know how it compares to others.

[@gurjantm]

@jerameyregimbald2137 I have bright speakers and am afraid of pairing them with bright sounding 3800h. The Cinema 50 may be a better match. May I ask if you bought the 4800h due to a difference in sound over 3800h?

[@jerameyregimbald2137]

@@gurjantm I have klipsch speakers currently. When I used Audyssey the speakers didn't seem bright at all. When I used Dirac, They became clearer, more dynamic, with better separation, but they are a lot brighter. I'm going to play around with it to see if I can fix it. I love everything about how DIRAC W/ Multi Sub bass control changed the sound of my speakers, except for making them sound to bright. Some audio sounds very harsh at louder volumes. I applied a Harmon curve to my Dirac filter, and that helped, but I feel like I can do more. The reason I went with the 4800h over the 3800, was the better components. The X4800H has 32-bit processing (called AL32 and HD32 by Denon) which is supposed to provide more precision when processing the audio signal, I believe, and a better AMP. I got myself an Emotiva AMP and I'm running my 5 bed layer speakers through it. I notice no difference in sound quality, or tonality when hooked up to the amp. I do notice it sounds better when I turn it up though, more so than when it was just the AVR. I knew eventually I was going to get this amp, and another one down the road, and eventually use this as a processor only. Also with the addition of the component video input, I thought the 4800 was a better option for me. I never had the 3800, so I don't know if my reasoning is correct. I doubt most people would notice a difference, and aside from occasional switching issues I have, I love the 4800.Unless you need the extras like component video, 1 extra HDMI, extra triggers, more zones, and 20 extra watts the 3800 is the better option for the price. Also, if you don't have the speakers, or the ears, to notice the subtle differences between the two audibly, you're better off getting the 3800, I imagine.

[@sayuti8405]

​​@jerameyregimbald2137 hi do you think it is sufficient to run Dirac Live with the provided mic from the receiver box?

[@wilfredohernandez2257]

Thanks for your review ! I have the RZ50 and the X3800H and love both of them for movies and music !! I have only one issue with the RZ50 which is HDMI handshake with my Fios cable box and Apple TV 4K.It takes a minute or so to get connected.No issues with the X3800H so far.

[@playcold32]

Hey Andrew, so in Movies do you like the Marantz or the Denon more?

[@rodsillett5325]

X3800h was a hassle free replacement for my old denon 3311ci. I needed 4k. After running room adaptation I can hear voices much better on the x3800h. The setup was super easy and fast. Also I can use 1 Apple TV remote to control everything so the harmony system is in the trash! Really like the simplicity of that.

[@SoniclayersMusic]

Is that crunchiness in the high end coming from the DA converters or the amp? Did you test the sound with just the pre outs to a separate amplifier and wondering if that improved the sound of the high end?

[@jonathanwills4726]

I always love your videos Andrew. Thank you for having a calming presence in my life by presenting these, even if I can't afford many of these. I've been using the same audio set up for the last 14 years, hoping to get a new one when I turn 45 in 3 years. If I tuck away like $100 a month from now till then for it I could build something sweet I bet.

[@erikdolnack2737]

I just purchased the Denon X3800H, and I couldn't be happier. Dolby Atmos is working like a dream and the sound is rich, warm, and makes movie-watching a wonderful experience. It will be upgradable for DIRAC sometime in early 2023. But for now, Audyssey's MultEQ sounds pretty freakin' awesome in my home theater setup!

[@massiada000]

Can’t go wrong with it as a entry into the HT world. It holds its weight in the more lower end AVRs.

[@cpg8000]

Crunchy highs = dealbreaker (for me). I can’t tell you enough just how much I value Kristi’s impressions and the way she communicates! She’s so direct and it speaks right to me. Thanks to you both!

[@Drumtech08]

I just got the denon avr-x4800h to replace my ONKYO. All i can say is , where have u been all my life Denon!

[@jerameyregimbald2137]

How are you liking it so far? I just purchased the x4800 to replace my 14 year old Yamaha. I'm anxiously waiting to see if I made the right decisions. lol. it comes tomorrow

[@Drumtech08]

@@jerameyregimbald2137 It is leagues above my ONKYO. Better build quality. Digital integration is far superior. Handshakes are almost seamless. Audio is way more transparent with no distortion. Im getting steady 4k 120hz with no noticeable drawbacks on the passthrough. The only thing i would change is that it doesn't include Dirac Live, like my onkyo did.

[@DrSchnaggelz]

Got a RZ50 2 Weeks ago and replaced it with a Denon 4800...got both receivers for about the same price. I've got to say that just for music, the onkyo sounded better and it's true that the soundstage felt much larger on the onkyo. But with Movies or games the Denon is way better. Not to mention that the denon can handle 4 subs separately, has auro and overall has more options/customization. I like both receivers though

[@Steve-Stoytchev]

Thanks for the fantastic content! Denon X4800H or Cinema 50? I know you haven't used it but isn't the Denon X4800H a better competitor to the Marantz Cinema 50? Which would you buy if loud (100+db) volume is a consideration for music & movies? It sounds like this Denon X3800H doesn't quite stack up to the Cinema 50 but the X4800H has more power and 2 more channels at the same price.

[@andrewrobinsonreviews]

I'll be 100% honest with you, if you are wanting to play volumes at levels that 100dB consistently, it would be my recommendation to buy any one of the 3 receivers and use the preamp outputs connected to a 3rd party amp like this one bit.ly/3x0sIYs or bit.ly/3wb4pmW. We appreciate the support.

[@Steve-Stoytchev]

​@@andrewrobinsonreviews it wouldn't be consistently - but I'd prefer if it could get loud for parties and such The external amp is a good suggestion but I prefer to keep it to a single unit if possible (I don't want the clutter and inefficiency). Which would you pick between a Cinema 50 and a Denon X4800H? (practically same price and very similar dimensions) I already have 4 subs so most of the heavy lifting is done there, both receivers also have independent subs so that's not a differentiator there. Both also don't have Dirac yet either...

[@andrewrobinsonreviews]

I have no experience with the 4800 so I can't comment on it.

[@improvedgarage]

I have loved these last few reviews but keep getting confirmation that my choice to trust your recommendation of the Onkyo RZ-50 earlier this year was the right choice. Promising features in the future is not the same as including them at launch, and the RZ-50 just looks more robust and powerful, which i enjoy.

[@umrryan]

Great advice on that review!

[@garyb2042]

Great review as always. One of the big differences here on the 3800 over its predecessors is that in pre out mode, you can select only the channels you want. Previous models you had all channels or none.

[@JimboJason]

Thanks for the review! It's so hard to beat the RZ-50 for the price. Looking forward to your upcoming budget ARV review you mentioned. The 3000 series was always the sweet spot in the Denon line up...until the RZ-50 stormed in and said "this is my place now".

[@jjimlee7009]

At the original price of $1400 the RZ50 was impossible to beat for value. Now that it is at $1600, it is a bit harder to say.

[@GFunkAllstar]

Curious if your opinion has changed now, nearly a year later with the firmware updates et al. I’m on the market and have been leaning towards the x3800h. Full transparency, this AVR can be had for $999 these days which makes it quite attractive.

[@High.on.Life_DnB]

Yeah man, in the Netherlands you can get one for less than €900, it's still a hefty price for audio, but if you're an audiophile and see these specs, it makes it one of the best valued receivers atm imo. If I wanted another Sony receiver capable of at least Dolby Atmos and all HDMI 2.1 features it would cost me about the same or more but has like 0 features compared to this Denon...

[@ThePezay]

Shouldn't the Denon X3800h be compared to the Onkyo TX-NR7100 rather then the Onkyo RZ50? I don't know about pricing in the states, I live in Sweden and the x3800h and the tx-nr7100 is priced neck to neck here and the RZ50 is an additional 200$. If choosing from the x3800h and the tx-nr7100, what would be your pick?

[@MiccaPhone]

In Germany the rz50 is even more than 50 % more expensive (X3800H sub 1000€ vs RZ50 more than 1500 €).

[@Crowleywild]

@devonlewis2372glad to hear you say that because I just took the NR-7100 back and got the X3800H

[@dperr338]

Denon X3800H would be my choice. Full set of preouts and 4 subwoofers. But in the US the 7100 is priced around $1,200 retail and the RZ50 retails around $1,600. The X3800H is the same price as the RZ50.

[@jgulecas]

My set up for the last decade has been a Denon AVR-1712 powering a Martin Logan MLT-2 5.1 speaker system. I upgraded to a 4K TV and decided to upgrade my receiver to one with 4k/120 pass-through. I bought and sampled a Denon S970H, a Denon X-2800H, and a Sony STR/AN-1000 during Black Friday sales, only to discover that they all sounded crappy, especially for music, compared to my existing AVR-1712 that I bought for $300 in 2012. I ultimately returned them all and am sticking with my old receiver for now. Two questions: (1) why has the sound quality declined so much with newer more expensive receivers? (2) what new receiver would you recommend for less than $2k that actually sounds good?

[@graysonpeddie]

If you can, I would save up and get an Anthem MRX line of receivers. An Anthem MRX 540 receiver is not cheap, but it will probably get you a better sound with Anthem's room correction. But then I do not own that receiver. I for one would like to go with separates with an Anthem AVM70 or AVM90 and the AVM90 has better DAC than AVM70. By "separates," you will want an external amplifier. What you can do is get something like a BAS-X 5-channel amplifier if your AVR-1712 has pre-outs, but I did some research and your receiver does not have pre-outs at all for connecting to an external amplifier. I hope I can be of help. Good luck on your home theater journey.

[@Miller-EE]

Well... "ive heard" that the Marantz and Denon is coming out of the same factory for most of the components. I must say I am very impressed that you guys can hear such clear differences between these products. Not sure what to say about that.

[@bungalowtomcat1]

What your take on Movies and tv shows ? and With Klipsch Speakers ? is the sound Worth it or go a higher up Denon ?

[@BryanRuby]

Still no buyer's remorse with my purchase of the Onkyo TX-RZ50. The negative impression for stereo music listening on the X3800H is what would have prevented me most from purchasing it. On a side note, despite me enjoying the Onkyo...I actually found my Yamaha TSR-700 (RX--V6A) A LOT easier to tweak than the Onkyo. I'm still filling lost on all the options I have with Dirac Live on the Onkyo. Definitely diverse and respected perspectives abound on these AVRs. Keep up the good work!

[@maxpower78-15]

When my marantz preamp went down and was being diagnosed by the repair shop, didnt know if it would be covered by warranty. This unit would have been a serious consideration as a dedicated replacement preamp as prices have gone up, and id hate to buy a new Marantz at current prices. Thankfully, it all worked out for me with no additional costs. Great review as always.

[@andrewrobinsonreviews]

Glad to hear it all worked out!

[@maxpower78-15]

Me too, trust me!! Saved Christmas

[@typettet]

I think a lot of people would be curious to know if the sound signatures you experienced using the internal power were the same using an external amp??? The appeal of these receivers is leaning more and more towards their ability to function as a processor as well.

[@NathanielTeel]

OMG! Your timing is incredible! I've been shopping this week to upgrade to a 5.1.4, future ready. This is the one I was really wanting your opinion on before getting it, or the Onkyo TX-RZ50! Thank you so freaking much!

[@andrewrobinsonreviews]

Glad to hear this video is timely for you!

[@KristiWright]

That's awesome! A great way to give back is by using one of our links provided to you in the description. The cost to you doesn't change but we'll earn a small amount. :)

[@av_rob79]

I chose Onkyo, I really wanted the rz50 but picked the nr7100 as it is $700 less (in Canada) and so far its great. I'm keeping an eye on the rz50 and if it goes on sale for Black friday I might just get it because I do want pre-outs to get 7.1.4 but other than that the 7100 works perfect.

[@fourthplanet]

Always interesting. Thanks for your takes on these receivers. Terrible leaving with that cliff hanger about there being another... Yoda. Enjoy the holidays guys. Cheers

[@brightenthecorners07]

Love these comparisons. I am leaning towards Marantz. However, I would like to know where the Pioneer vsx-lx 305 falls within these models?

[@KristiWright]

Onkyo and Integra share very similar sound profiles. I believe this video will help. kzbin.info/www/bejne/mKKcYZx5o6iLjZI

[@brightenthecorners07]

@@KristiWright Thank you for the reply. I will check this out. Was just looking into Pioneer and Marantz due to spatial restraints.

[@edwardinedgewood]

When I upgrade my old Yamaha, I can’t afford to make a mistake, and your reviews are very helpful. Thank you.

[@andrewrobinsonreviews]

Glad you find them helpful Edward!

[@juanorfi3708]

Great channel! Will it be an update on the 3800h review after firmware updates?

[@cantyoufeelthelove]

This is such a relevant question. No one seems to address this on youtube

[@AlanH2B]

I really appreciate Kristy's "normal person" take in these reviews. Andrew: There's different pros and cons, I can't decide what is better for you. Kristy: It's Marantz.

[@jtaylor0727]

Love your help with all this technology!!!!! Last week I bought the Marantz NR1200 based on your review... strictly for 2 channel stereo, not our Main system but maybe most frequently used based on its location. We are very very pleased Andrew! The technology is amazing and I am hearing streaming music better than ever... Cd and turntable very good too... and it looks great. Bluetooth my phone well too. Thank you for all you do!!! I even found a new one on sale!! Way below the 799!!! So I really feel good about it.

[@charlesking678]

I'm not in the market for an avr, and I've never seriously considered onkyo, but the rz50 seems like a solid product. This 3800 and rz50 would be on the shopping list.

[@andrewrobinsonreviews]

The RZ50 is very solid in our experience!

[@mikelanier5617]

Good morning guys ! Loved my Onkyos as I have owned 3 of their top receivers but they all stopped working and are doorstops now. My Denon AVR-X4400H is still fully functional and sounds great using an Emotiva XPA5 amplifier. Wanting Dirac and 4k 120hz for gaming so still unsure what to upgrade to. Thanks for the comparisons and all the work that you and Kristi do! ❤️👏

[@HugoAugusto]

Please review the X2800H model, maybe comparing it to the X2700H. Thanks!

[@marcmccord5085]

I have had 2 Onkyo Integra AVR’s. Both HDMI boards died. That, and their previous other issues, make Onkyo a no go. I’m not taking another chance with them. I purchased the 4700, and I am pleased. Yea, they have an “old” look, but mine sits out of the way in a gear closet, so I never see it. It does everything I need, and more. Thanks for another great and informative review.

[@voiceofreason9238]

Of all the features AVR's have, how it looks is by far the least important. I want the most reliability, then modern codecs, the latest HDMI, and options/pre-outs. Looks and legacy RCA connectors (including TT) is completely unimportant to me.

[@henriqueguedesalbuquerque2718]

Qual você indica? Pioneer lx505 ou denon x3800 obrigado

[@joelwhitehead2624]

Love your channel and reviews!! Really enjoy getting Kristi's take each time as well!! Was anxious for your review of the X3800H. Back ordered one from a local retailer recently, so still waiting. Almost cancelled after watching your review. However, I cannot source the RZ50 locally. You mentioned "Had Denon waited for all of the software and bugs to be worked out first, it may have been an outright great one"... Does this mean it might have topped the RZ50 if the HDMI switching bugs weren't present and Dirac was already included? I will not listen at really loud volumes, so should not have the distortion and just TV/Movies so will avoid the stereo disappointment.

[@alanchan8205]

Can you review the DENON AVR-X4800H and compare it other mid range AVR?

[@elcues]

I was all set to get the Onkyo RZ50 until heard and read that the two sub woofers out were not independent of each other. So what would be next choice. Yous do great reviews and comparisons. Thank You Both

[@sap1281]

I just listened to the Cinema 50 and X3800 back to back at my local Magnolia store with B&W 600 and 800 series speakers. The two receivers sound exactly the same. Exactly. There is zero difference. The X4800 (which sounds exactly like the Cinema 40) did sound better to me than the X3800.

[@TruthHasSpoken]

Agree. I did an A/B test at Best Buy and found the exact same thing using KEF R3 Metas. Also compared the C60 and the x4800. The salesperson told me that he heard a difference ... if it was there, it was subtle and not a decision maker. What WAS remarkably better was the Arcam AVR11. I was shocked that it was clearly better but I wouldn't buy it due to reliability concerns I read of on line.

[@robertburton6033]

Thank you. I have always been an Onkyo and Pioneer user but when I saw this was coming out, I have been thinking of swapping. Thanks for the review

[@andrewrobinsonreviews]

If you already own either I wouldn't switch at this time. Thanks for watching!

[@BrentWatkins-creative-services]

For the price, I agree the Onkyo RZ50 offers more for the same price. Support for 11.2 comes to mind. A bit more power. Plus Dirac live!

[@jjimlee7009]

The X3800H has support for 11.4. In fact, it can do 5.4.6 unlike the RZ50 and have Auro 3D. Also looks like you can assign whichever pre-out for the external amp unlike the RZ50 which only allows the rear surrounds for 11 ch. Still, I agree the RZ50 is still a better value even at the new $1600 price which includes the Dirac and most people in the USA would be perfectly happy with it. But the X3800H maybe a better buy for those who want a bit more options with their speaker setup. And competition is always good for this market.

[@andressB]

Cheers from Brazil! I love your channel Deciding here between the Onkyo or the Denon😊

[@KristiWright]

Well you are in luck because comparisons are made extensively throughout the video!

[@jhiss100]

Also, your room is stunning. Great job w that.

[@KristiWright]

Thank you, Jason!

[@techsamurai11]

@@KristiWright Yeah, I've seen in 100 videos so far but it had a different scale today. I think it may have been a shot down the middle. You guys are killing it! Great stuff!

[@AN-ce1nd]

Both denon and Marantz have identical circuits. I have the schematics for both. Now, the new Marantz units, definitely way up there. I have an SR7008 and it’s absolutely amazing. Had a pioneer elite ICE power, broke down I. 2 years. Sound no way as nice as my Marantz. Your evaluations are just spot on.

[@Hyper1555]

How would you rank the NAD T778 stereo sound to the cinema 50?

[@craigjohnchronicles2504]

I'd love to hear this comparison as well.

[@sammy10001]

Potential is def there. I'd love to see it with its full promised feature set and the real advantages it will have. I would definitely re-visit this denon or Marantz near end of 2023, or even early 2024 when they get the Dirac Bass Management 2nd update.

[@johnpereira6934]

For what it's worth, Marantz has a reputation among many of having a "warm" character to its sound while Denon is more neutral. Regardless, Andrew, I'm curious of whether the Denon's sound is attributable to it's preamp section or its amp section or a combo of the two? Audio Science Review (I think I got that correct) indicated the preamp section of the 3800 was inferior to the 3700 version. Finally, my issue with the Onkyo is its sub outputs aren't independent of one another. Thus, Dirac's bass correction (i.e. the more advanced separate module) is somewhat neutered whereas the Denon has 4 independent subwoofer outs. However, the estimated price for Dirac on the Denon and Marantz is crazy expensive relative to its current selling price.

[@PetrKrenzelok]

As for myself, after 3 years with Denon x3500h, I am still not satisfied with the stereo reproduction. I am willing to make a switch and will audition Marantz cinema line soon. The reason also is, that for me it is also about the design. So e.g. no chance I would ever touch an Onkyo 🙂

[@cap8399]

When You Know Your Stuff, You Know Your Stuff! 😁I consider myself an audiophile, I currently own a Marantz SR8012 which I completely respect. It has taken me many, many nights to tune it to my sound taste and I believe it has finally paid off (however, unlike your wife Kristi and my wife, I love doing this stuff 😅). Prior to getting my Marantz SR8012, I listened to many different A/V receiver brands and models, and I could not agree more on ALL OF THE COMMENTS AND HUGE ASSISTANCE that you're giving through these videos because it is simply putted: AMAZING AND SUPER HELPFUL. Thank you so much for creating PROFESSIONAL, FUN, and SUPER INFORMATIVE content on this subject as it TOTALLY MAKES A DIFFERENCE when someone is about to spend $,$$$.$$ + TIME on the heart of it all, an A/V receiver. I will continue to follow your videos and even consider joining the membership soon. THANK YOU! 😃

[@Boxkerp]

I have a Denon 6700 and I haven't seen anything in these new offerings from Sound United that would make me move off of it, except maybe the new Denon A1 and Marantz A10 preamp, but those are 6 and 7 thousand dollars. I will say that the four independent subs are tempting, but I don't even have 4 subs. As for Denon's s looks, I've never liked the styling of the 3X and lower models, but I'm still disappointed that they haven't changed anything. These days though, I'm not sure question is which model is best for you, but which is available.

[@andrewrobinsonreviews]

RE: 4 subs - you might not need them. For our purposes, we rarely even use two because one sub is more than enough.

[@dandrebanks8995]

I just bought the denon x3800h mainly because of multiple sub support as i have more than 1 subwoofer plus i had a best buy gift card and only paid 1085 compare to 4800h which was on sale as well but after my gift card it would have been about 1500 and it is not worth it for that price difference for minor differences between them i am happy with my purchase

[@misterwirez7731]

I love the simplicity of Denon. Having said that, a refresh wouldn't hurt, a simple external and font update could bring over some more customers. I'm looking at the next model up. Switching brands is tough. I've been a "Denon guy" for 30 years. I hate the portal of Mirantz and I never cared for Onkiyo sound, especially in a 2.0/2.1 channel. I come from the big analog systems of the 70's. My Dad had nice systems. So a bit warmer is always better, imo. The Denon drawback is DIY firmwares. I don't mind so much, if it's updating or upgrading later on, but not waiting for a FW update on a brand new system. I agree finish it.

[@mikerhodes9198]

I have an ONKYO NR717 bought back in 2014 and it has served me well for music and movies. I am 75 and I get a lot of enjoyment from my 5.1 ONKYO system, NVidea Shield and Sony 4k TV but my system does not have the newest sound capabilities. In addition, the Onkyo does not have 4k capability so I have to use an HDMI vidio/audio splitter to get sound to the AV receiver and 4k video from the NVidea Shield to the TV. All in all, my system clearly is in need of an update and I follow all your weekly posts with high interest in the new AV Recievers you have reviewed this year. The DIRAC LIVE Room Correction is the cherry on top and the Onkyo RZ50 is my current pick. Unfortunately, I can't afford this upgrade this year and have set late Spring for my update. Your Atmos speaker install inspired me and I hope to add 4 ceiling speakers next year too. So, thank you for your insights from both of you for you are clearly reaching your audience with timely and well thought out equipment reviews.

[@SeanVedell]

Good afternoon, Robinsons. Great review. Hope you have a nice Sunday.

[@KristiWright]

Hey there! Always a pleasure.

[@yannbard4536]

This denon has me tempted, the cinema 50 is tempting but use music only 10% of the time. Coming from a Sony receiver to match monitor audio silver speakers, which would you guys recommend? Denon or marantz?

[@PetrKrenzelok]

I have Monitor Audio Silver 200 at 5.0 recently, paired with Denon x3500h. Whatever I do, I don't like it for the music - meaning mostly a streamer and phono, waiting for CD unit to arrive. Initially I was considering upgrade to x3800h, but am considering Cinema 50 instead.

[@engineer4862]

I bought Denon X3800H based on your reviews and waiting for it now. I am also thinking of getting Monitor Audio Silver 100 7G speakers for both listening to music and watching movies and my plan is to add a sub, rears... etc. in the future. Do you think that MA Silver 100 7G would cause ear fatigue when paired with Denon x3800h?

[@jeroenvanwesemael8556]

I own a 3800h and it us vrry neutral so goes well with MA, BUT: I would go for arendal speakers, I went from MA silver 300 plus center to arendal and the difference is very very big! Insane quality for the money. If you want to save some money go for the monitors. I went for the 1723s towers and just ❤ them

[@Cplreggie]

Great review! Will you ever review the AVR-X4800H? I'm in the market for a new receiver. I've had the Yamaha RX-V3900 since 2009, and while I've loved it for the last 14 years, it's lacking in the technology department. I'm also upgrade to a 4k TV and 4k projector and would like a receiver that can accommodate both while not being a step down from what I currently have. Right now it seems like the X4800h is a better matchup to what my receiver was when it came out, than the 3800h is. I recently put 4 in ceiling speakers in my movie room in anticipation for an Atmos setup. I currently have 5.1.4 speaker setup and would like to eventually go to a 7.1.4 or even a 7.2.4 soon. I have yet to see anyone review the 4800h and would love to see what your thoughts are on it! thanks! I just subscribed!

[@MrOkcyurwin]

Hello, I have been loving my Yamaha rx v3800 for 15 years as well. Was looking to get the x4800h to see if auro 3d /atmos would be a decent upgrade, not more sounds but a better movie experience. My understanding is that a stand alone unit like the x4800h or x3800 won't cut it when all 9 channels are needed during demanding dynamic movies. So, this week I was able to get a open - box denon 3800h for £723 with 2 year warranty. My plan is to use the Yamaha rx-v3800 to power the front 3 (lcr) speakers. And have the Denon power the rest. This will enable me to run a decent 11.4 auro 3d set up that also covers 5.4.4 atmos. I focused on the x4800h because of the difference in the amplifier section but I would still have needed to use an external amplifier. The amplifier section of the x3800 will be more than capable of running all the lesser demanding channels. So spending an extra £600 didn't make sense. I'm excited about having 4 independent subwoofer outputs and the new version of Audyssey xt32, plus all the latest multi-channel options. I have all the extra speakers and denon 3800 here now and plan to get it all set up during the following week. If I don't feel that it's a decent upgrade in my movie experience than I'm happy to return the Denon and stick with the excellent Yamaha rx v3800 with 5.4 (I run 4 subs with a minidsp). What option did you end up with? 👍👍

[@Cplreggie]

@@MrOkcyurwin I ended up buying the 4800h. A couple months later I bought a 5 channel Emotiva amp, which I think has 200-250Watts per channel. I don't remember off the top of my head. I'm powering my 5 bed layer speakers with the amp and the 4800 is powering my 4 in ceiling speakers. I have a 5.2.4 setup. I really like the setup for the most part. I get HDMI switching issues occasionally, which are annoying. Also, I got Dirac Live with Multi Sub bass management. It made a big difference in clarity and isolating individual sounds, but it made my speakers sound harsh. I need to play around with it more.

[@jeroenvanwesemael8556]

​@@MrOkcyurwingreat choice. I did similar, have arendal 1723s speakers and run fronts woth a poweramp. 3800h powers the rest of the 5.1.4. It sounds massive!! Dirac is a big diff though, I agree with andrew. I made the day!

[@cgm246]

Are you going to DIRAC Test it against Audyssey? They say you can save both on the presets

[@blueguitar5261]

i am using Denon amps and receivers since 35 yrs and i updated my old models with new Denon Products (2023-2024 models)..I can say if you care about details Denon is the best...(Best models starts after 3000 series)

[@bjoggi79]

Would you recommend the x3800h over the x4700h for a similar price?

[@gregmax]

I'm interested in this comparison as well.

[@MyTestiQ]

also curious

[@failingup4907]

I have the Sony 5000es, and have the Denon x4800H coming. The sound of the receiver has everything to do with the speakers your running, period! The Sony seems a little bright with my Martin Logan Electrostats. My Pioneer SC-97 was a perfect fit, but the sound chip or something is failing. It's hit ir miss if i get any sound anymore. So i need a receiver that matches up with the Electrostats.

[@dperr338]

How does the Denon sound compared to the Sony?

[@dperr338]

I like the looks of Denon. The display is easier to read and it’s functional. Much better than the Marantz and Yamaha. I can’t stand the volume knob in the center if the Yamahas.

[@bigcwastaken2112]

And who cares when you have 10 grand worth of speakers if your receiver has a “distorted high end, or crappy highs” like I don’t think any real human will notice the difference

[@dperr338]

@@bigcwastaken2112 Not if your nit A/Bing the two. Your ears tend to adjust to a different sound.

[@umrryan]

Still same issue as the Marantz to me, with Dirac live still pending. RZ50 and clones are the place to be until it comes with all features out of the box.

[@umrryan]

Also I definitely prefer the styling of the Marantz to this one. By the way, love the look of the new slimline Marantz model!

[@andrewrobinsonreviews]

The compatible Onkyo, Integra and Pioneer models are ready to go now vs Denon and Marantz. The new Cinema look is killer though!

[@umrryan]

QOTD I don't know how any other Denon is superior unless compared to the one that you already own.

[@techsamurai11]

@@andrewrobinsonreviews Is there a silver Cinema coming to the States or is that only going to be available overseas?

[@umrryan]

@@techsamurai11 Oh my, that silver. What. a. beauty.

[@borlach321]

Andrew, any plans to get in the new Denon 4800 or 6800?

[@iikatinggangsengii2471]

both quite similar

[@monijam1]

Thanks for the video, another great one. Keep in mind that the x3800h can be setup in full pre-amp mode and now you'll have a $1699 pre/pro...Plus the sound can be vastly improved by using the new Audyssey MultEQ-X software tool. It's a little pricey at $199.99 but it gives you advanced control and functionality to really tailor your sound and improve your room's shortcomings.

[@PetrKrenzelok]

No way to pay $200 for SW tool you can't migrate yourself between the machines. With Sound United moving towards the Dirac, Audyssey is effectively dead imo.

[@Anatatto]

How this Denon X3800 sound quality compares to a Denon PMA-900HNE? Thanks

[@dans550]

Still love my Yamaha RXA2 and emotiva a2 for mains both purchased on your advice, keep up the good work

[@bubbax7477]

Andrew, first off... Another great review. Thank you both for the time and especially the honesty you put into your reviews. I can't say this is strong enough terms. Your channel is my "go to". The question I have is, do you think the issues with two channel playback on the Denon is due to the amplification? I ask this because I'll be using whichever new AV receiver I buy with high end external amplification.

[@brianchristopher4666]

How about ranking these receivers as used as Pre-pro's, utilizing outboard amplification??? Would be helpful

[@marvinamor4008]

Hi Andrew is there any chance you can get your hands on the Pioneer vsx lx 505 since you mentioned the Denon and Onkyo on this category, I want to hear your opinion. Thank you for all your information.

[@joescott701]

Bought the Onkyo RZ 50 and could not be happier.

[@voiceofreason9238]

I'm considering the RZ 50 along with the others mentioned here. Your independent endorsement is helpful. 👍

[@leadershippush3808]

Great review. Will going from 5.1.2 to 7.2.2 make a huge difference in a small room?

[@KristiWright]

no

[@hoosieralliance]

So I had the RZ50 and it’s a good receiver. Just not my cup of tea so I sold it and got the x3800. I like it way better. The sound is much more punchy on the Denon and the great Dirac/Audisey debate is not even that for me as I didn’t think Dirac was all that on the rz50. Now full disclosure I have own Denon for over 35 years and maybe it’s just the placebo effect, but then in, that’s just my go to av receiver. Still I agree with you , Andrew it should have gotten the needed firmware updates before launch as I had major HDMI issues before doing 2 updates before I could even start the setup progress .

[@griffinwangen8776]

Always love the videos! Nice job both of you!

[@henrytrueba3873]

Love watching you two.

[@KristiWright]

Thank you, Henry!

[@yuliantojacobs9088]

I have always matched my denon receivers with B&W speakers. Have had the 700 series for over a decade now. I headed them being matched with Keff sleakers, but the sound is really different. Really agressive in the highs. I feel that with the B&W speakers the sound denon puts out is just perfect for my taste. I also should mention, that sound is personal. So this is just my opinion.

[@Felix-yj7xr]

@robinsonbrand is X3800Hs Audyssee XT32 measuring system worth it over XT from X2800H for running a 5.1 in a (very) difficult room ?

[@letsgoOs1002]

Would you prefer the Denon or Onkyo as a processor?

[@cainification]

Holy shit Andrew called me out big time. I skipped to the Onky Rz50 portion and immediately got called out for it 😂 that's actually hilarious. FINE...I'll start back at the beginning! You win this round, Andrew

[@robertclark8546]

Boy did I love the behind the camera counterpoint!

[@KillerSneak]

Any update on the issues described in this review? Compared to the RZ50(€1520) and Cinema50(€1360) I can pick up the X3800h for €850 now. I hope the HDMI switching issues have been solved at this moment in time?

[@irish7460]

Wondering also

[@iikatinggangsengii2471]

imo they tune very specifically for portable system, iem+dap thats it m17 kind of versatile since it can be desktop sounding, with more effort

[@iikatinggangsengii2471]

i can guess cayins

[@Marco-cz7rb]

Cinema 50

[@pedroluciano2643]

i believe some of the upper treble behaviour might be on account of the available power and Arendals combination. They are a bit hard to drive and 105 w divided is going to be on the lower side. This is probably why they offer a good and well designed pre out for all channels. I have been selling and installing Denon, Marantz and Integra, ( until they left us out to dry a few years back!) for almost 20 yrs. I hear you! Very much in agreement.

[@michaeldubin8965]

I am seriously looking at the Onkyo TX-RZ50 (as Kristi's 2nd place pick) to replace my Yamaha V6A.. you picked up on my issue with it.. there are SO MANY settings, I get overwhelmed. And, I can't seem to get it just right with that one. Totally frustrates me. I've had Onkyo in the past and loved them (even had the separate Surround Sound component they sold years ago).

[@hawkeytown]

get the RZ50, i have the integra 5.4 since I couldn't get the rz50 and its excellent. The dirac is awesome too.

[@lonniefarmer7067]

Thanks! Yes, this is a best for Denon but a Marantz 8015 is what my system requires for the speakers in that system and it has a near perfect balance with the Klipsch set I have. Having Golden Ear reference with a McIntosh system I can state that the theater sound bests it until I get to a great orchestral work.

[@Justmejbful]

The Denon has 4 discrete sub woofer outputs and that alone puts it over the Onkyo for me

[@donnyyario1726]

Do you think a separate amp on the fronts would help ease that distortion?

[@High.on.Life_DnB]

I suppose so, as it has all of the speaker outputs in pre-amp form. But I'd be bummed if I'd have to invest in external amps after buying an AV Receiver. But yeah with those pre-amps, you could connect any amp and make your neighborhood happy by playing music for the whole area. You could even connect festival speakers to a powerful amp and hook that up to the Denon. You don't even have to use the built-in amp from the Denon.

[@High.on.Life_DnB]

Though I find it weird that distortion would take place at such low volumes as (didn't he say?:) 70-80dB? When according to my source the Denon should have about 105W per channel. My current Sony receiver is guessed at 90W per channel but I've never noticed any distortion, and I do have 2 pretty heavy tower speakers, though I do notice the volume drops whenever it goes from stereo to surround, I can hear the fronts going quieter when the source changes to surround sound.

[@iikatinggangsengii2471]

i dont recommend for astells theyre good as they are, go with desktop system if you can afford better amp

[@iikatinggangsengii2471]

for m17 you do will get huge boost with better amp

[@NAZZ681]

What do you think of the DENON AVR- X4700H

[@SHIJUG1]

I would like to know which one is better denon x4700h and onkyo rz50 in comparison

[@shs747]

So what is the current state?

[@GlennMcKeon-n5s]

Very informative! what are your thoughts on using the AVR as a preamp only (setting the unit to disconnect the internal amps) and running external amplification with Emotiva or Monolith amps? Also, would it be ok to use the AVR's amps just for the height speakers or would that still introduce enough of the lackluster high frequencies to mess up the entire mix?

[@djparra41]

Very interested in a response to this as well!

[@richardhinchey1999]

I was thinking of doing the same. I have this amp and I think it's decent. Only 3wks old so still in the learning process

[@timothyfreeseha4056]

You do a good job of describing the differences between the Marantz and Denon house sounds. Although I haven't had a million of each so I couldn't speak to that. I have had several of each- both integrated & receivers, and a would say Marantz is a bit laid back compared to Denon. Denon seems leaner in the mid- range- some cases sounded a little thin. Not criticism. Either could work in systems matched to their characters and work well. All to say that you confirmed in some of you describe what I have experienced.

[@danemoreno88]

This is my new favorite avr of the year

[@sandeepjohny6480]

What will be your favorite AVR for 2chanel stereo as well as good movie experience on 2022 kindly advise 👍

[@Totalplonker]

If you wish to listen to decent 2-channel music, whatever you do don't go with a Denon AVR. I've auditioned several AVRs during the pandemic and the only one which was able to make my high-end speakers truly sing was the arcam! It uses a big huge toroidal transformer which btw you don't find nowadays in AVRs and it also uses a toroid amplifier and an audiophile DAC, these are sone of the components one would look for, if one would wishes for decent two channel audio.

[@heemeshj9394]

What are your views on the DAC downgrade from the 3700 as posted on the ASR forum review? I physically cannot get an Onkyo in my region so the only option I have is a 3800 (upgrading from a 10 year old AVR2113!)

[@toobrew7956]

Yea I certainly wouldn't purchase this year's models for that reason. Pretty disgusting really to increase the price for lower quality

[@abdulrahmanal-otaibi413]

They said the same in their reviews about the onkyo rz50 and pioneer 505 and most of their results (except the DAC test) was inaudible so I don’t know I guess I’m gonna stick with what hi-fi and the famous audiophiles here in youtube!

[@JonMoralesLA]

Yeah there was a fire in a factory and they had to swap out to different Dacs that measure as being not as good but nobody seems to say they actually hear a difference.

[@Bradimus1]

I'm pretty glad I stayed away from Denon this go around. I was going to go Onkyo RZ50 but availability wasn't there and I got a good deal on the Yamaha RX-A4A. It's been great.

[@ricardoballotto]

Cinema 50 or Denon 4800h ? I would like a comparison

[@somerandomperson8282]

He does compare them so clearly you did not watch the video.

[@ricardoballotto]

@@somerandomperson8282 yes, but I’m talking abou the Denon 4800 because they have similar prices.

[@Cplreggie]

@@somerandomperson8282 he compares the 3800h to the cinema 50, not the 4800h. I would like to see it compared to the 4800 as well since they are the same price

[@NoNinja11]

Thanks for another great review. I have active speakers and as such would use the AVR in pre-amp mode. Does this change your perspective of what to buy?

[@michaelrossmaessler200]

I'm not one of the one's typing about Arcam but thanks to Kristi for still trying to get Arcam to come through.