Android just changed forever

[@itchylol742]

i'm used to downloading apks but i'm glad that alternate app stores will become available to people who aren't tech experts

[@Gigi-zy1kx]

I'm tired of sideloading shit. Let's do this right way from now on.

[@alainportant6412]

@@Gigi-zy1kx I'm sorry, what's the "right way" 😂😂😂? Are you a kid ? The one and only "right way" is to download the program directly from the dev with zero intermediaries, like everybody always did. There's literally no reason to have "Appstores" at all. Nobody knew what an Appstore was before Apple decided to dumb down the mobile software installation process for women and children while taking a 30% cut for no reason at all.

[@729usbow]

@@alainportant6412 ok boomer

[@Gigi-zy1kx]

@@alainportant6412 In the context of an app store existing old man. Get a clue. Do you really think that the app stores will go away. A you a moron?

[@plaintext7288]

​@alainportant6412 if something is as used as the play store, it becomes the norm. i would doubt downloading an official app that is not distributed through the app store

[@RandallEike]

This is wonderful news. Hopefully Apple gets the same treatment soon as well.

[@ontheflydim]

Already the case in Europe

[@Christian-of1tz]

@@ontheflydim Yeah, not really, try again. "Google will have to distribute rival third-party app stores within Google Play". Apple's shit show is another kind and needs to be addressed as well -- again.

[@Name-gi8dr]

​@@ontheflydim it's not. Apple doesn't have to do a lot of these.

[@cephcottez776]

The eu knows how to put apple in their place

[@thewhitefalcon8539]

Apple got the opposite ruling because Apple never pretended it wasn't a walled garden

[@bpnn2428]

Apple and Google not having to follow the same rules is criminal. They should fix it ASAP.

[@user-dj1hy6zc6q]

Samsung phones already come with 2 app stores on them: Google Play and Samsung Store.

[@Life4YourGames]

Apple did not work around the DMA! They chose an approach that IS BEING CHALLENGED. They already nearly got fined twice and the EU commission is considering taking them to court of they continue to try to wind themselves out of compliance. Apples failure to to actually comply does not constitute a failure of the act.

[@orangedullness2268]

Android google play store just changed for 3 years!

[@Cart1416]

title is wrong

[@Kirmo13]

I hate fortnite, but LET"S GO EPIC!

[@AshnSilvercorp]

time to get F-droid. When has it not been the time.

Takeaways: Apple can disable your desktop computer remotely, and TPTB have chosen Apple as the arbitrary special child of Silicon Valley. Every other brand is in danger.

[@Whix100]

I'm fine with most of the points in this ruling, but I don't like that now Google has to make these changes and Apple can continue having a more restrictive platform than Android. I can also easily see Apple take advantage of this by saying that iOS is now even more secure than Android because they keep you safe with the App Store, while Android allows anyone's app store on their phones.

[@Whix100]

It also seems strange to me to force Google to let other app stores to use the Google Play app catalog. Be ready for a bunch of app stores that are just Google Play but with a new skin

[@Damariobros]

Apple has always said they're more secure than Android in that respect, because of side loading. This won't change much on that front.

[@rickdg]

This has to come for Apple as well.

[@hundvd_7]

That is huge! I'm honestly surprised this didn't come from the EU first

[@AbdulRafay-vi6hz]

This is true, As an android Developer and Have deployed multiple app, the play store it self is a mess too, Google need to clean it's app store first, then need to control the android OS. The new policies for deploying an application on Google Play Stores are so impossible, it's not even fun to deploy your application on Google Play Store.

[@CrisCheese_]

Android should revert back to being an open source project without any google dependancies

[@Nandru85]

Me having f-droid installed for like 5 years at this point 😎

[@nicholasyoa86]

Damn, honestly massive win for Epic and for consumers. I've got a Samsung phone personally and never encountered the 'Auto Blocker' feature, though I'm pretty sure having to go through settings and ticking 'Unknown sources' is pretty standard on most Android phones for installing .APKs from the internet. Although having app stores installed via Google Play is awesome, this should be something that's ruled on Apple + Google at the same time, taking effect on the exact same date. We all know Apple only allows one app store, and the EU ruling made Apple just find loopholes and sidestep it completely. It'd be good if a ruling is done in the USA which effects Apple's business practices worldwide - It's already a pain in the ass how locked down the Apple ecosystem is.

[@forund]

I really love that it had been taken to the court, so there are uniform rules installed, that will help the future development in the market and makes things clear

[@JoshuaT902]

13:55 - the autoblocking is a one or 2 steps to turn it off not 21 steps. It's just 21 steps to install an app outside of the appstore with it enabled.

[@malikkalayli]

They are just absurd

[@klyesam4006]

Lets hope this applies to Xbox and play station and switch.

[@cl8804]

why is it so significant that it's a jury verdict; do those dictate the facts or constitute precedent over judges' verdicts?

[@Kane0123]

9:02 - lol those two points are horrendous examples.

[@klyesam4006]

2:55 the point you are missing is that those old people got the apps from the Play store

[@12q8]

Is it true that your mustache is a sticker?

[@Tomyb15]

As long as android can sideload apps, I couldn't care less.

[@Tarodenaro]

Nice, looks like we don't need to sideload F-droid anymore then.

[@Freddisred]

I'm not convinced, they'll find some way to ruin it.

[@Gigi-zy1kx]

Good. Let the anti-trust lawsuits flow. Hopefully this is just the beginning. I find it ironic how Google makes the effort in claiming that they champion open source, and then stories like this come out. I don't think governments should overreach in anyway with most things, I never want that. But in this case, fools be runnin' wild and they need to be reeled in imo. Or at a minimum get chin checked.

[@virtual5754]

Theo: apple is not profiting from selling devices much Average apple user: spends thousands dollars every year on newest devices

[@wyaPUNK]

why hasnt this happened to apple yet lol

[@sioneris1545]

It doesn't matter, because the people who rake the money is epic and other similar company. You will notice that free to play on mobile or on epic charge the same costs for bundles, so the user never gain anything in all of this.

[@gsgregory2022]

And for those talking about security, and about samsung's auto blocking features. It isn't about security. They are just blocking things they cannot profit from in the name of security. If it it was actually about security they would crack down on all the shit in the play store itself.

[@KrisRogos]

Love that both Google and Apple go with the "It's not a monopoly" defence. Sure it's a competition between the 8th and 18th richest companies in the world. Where they only have so much staying power that the 2nd and 20th richest companies couldn't break into the market.

[@jonahbranch5625]

Love it when rich people fighting accidentally makes our lives better lol

[@yassinesafraoui]

I don't understand why they're forcing google to give access of the apps in their store to third-party stores, I mean those apps are literally stored in Google servers and google is paying for that, yes it's doing it for free for the users of their store, why should they do it for third-party stores? Let alone do it for free!

[@autohmae]

I wonder if this means: Stock Android can't be used in China right now, because of Google, so could this mean they can use stock Android in China but without Google ?

[@TheSimArchitect]

Does it mean all android apps can be offered to Windows users via Microsoft Store?

[@LeftyPencil]

With Windows Subsystem for Android at its end of life?

[@TheSimArchitect]

@@LeftyPencil It becomes more interesting for MS to invest on it if they can offer a proper store. The previous issue was they only had Amazon's offering, which was awful and didn't include what we actually want to use like banking, government etc. That would make people use it and they'd also have our eyes at their store seeing profitable content.

[@exe_]

Sounds like F-Droid is gonna get more apps with the "controversial" tag.

[@xingxingforyou]

"oh boy" moment

[@Gokuevp]

Also add. Dont require a f***ing login for "free" apps or to just browse the store.

[@idol_wannabe]

2:30 Hell nah, google play apps are the ones that are bloated in malware, third party stores work just fine. My parents use Android with all the protection and their phones are mamaged by hackers in rusia, mine and my brother's android have never seen a google play app instaled and we they are fine.

[@liquidsnake6879]

Now imagine if your parents were using some third party store instead their phones would be straight up bricked in days 😂 the difference there is that you know better than your parents do

[@JacobGlanz1234]

Dude, if you do sponsorships, then remove the KZbin ads, I’ll much rather have 2 sponsorships the KZbin ads

[@luka1790]

Get premium if you dont want to watch ads

[@subgivtara]

@@luka1790 use revanced and sponsorblock

[@666222333111]

​@@luka1790😂😂😂😂😂 ok bot

[@notweewee]

​@@luka1790You still get youtuber sponsorship aka ads even if u pay for premium

[@LeftyPencil]

Revanced is an Android option

[@iceeice1234]

For Steam they can't charger less If they are selling Steam key on a third party store. All Dev can generated steam keys for free and Value does not get there cut on them.

[@cyberrb25]

I'm not sure I like that analogy around minute 0:45. You could easily swap it around and make it sound like Google is the small business champion, if you say that an Etsy store maker doesn't have to pay, but Spotify does.

[@tonchozhelev]

As a user and a developer, I'm of two minds on this. On one hand having the freedom to actually use other appstores, could be very beneficial, and could improve the state of the mobile market in terms of viriety and quality, as the standard rules of both the App Store and the Play store, have created a market environment that is entirely a race to the bottom. On the other hand, if 3rd party stores become popular, I'll have to deploy my apps on even more stores with (possibly) even dumber rules for apps And whenever I want to install an app, I'll have to first figure out which store I can get it from, and maybe even install that store if I don't have it, imagine explaining to your mom that if she wants to install a particular app she has to first install another store. Imagine how many stores most devices might end up having installed, it's gonna become a mess... Honestly, after all the troubles with app stores, I kinda wish they didn't exist, and we all just installed apps from the web, from the site of the developers. Just as an asside, this really comes down to app distribution and installation, in the past (and on Windows currently), app installation wasn't all that simple, or at the very least going trough an installer is kinda scary for most people. I think the ideal solution would have been to have something like dmgs on MacOS, or AppImages on Linux, but universal, I honestly can't believe this isn't the solution that everybody went for, to me it seems so obvious that one app should equal one file, that just works, no "installation" needed (beyond puting that file on your computer). And I find it so frustrating that the kernels of the perfect implementation of this are spread across so many systems, and yet nobody has put them together yet. Like AppImages and DMGs exist, in linux the install comand literally just means "move file to the right bin directory and set the permissions", back in the day in SmallTalk, the idea was that an application is an image of a virtual environment within which code runs, we have Docker containers, on mobile platforms applications are already running within a sort of sandbox - put all this toghether and what I think you can end up with, that could be perfect, is that an app is one file, this file holds the code of the app, as well as a virtual filesystem that is accessible only to that app, where the app can save it's state, the system runs the app within a sandbox, that allows the app to send messages to other apps in order to share information or implement some functionality. This way because the app saves it's state to the same "file" it's ran from, you can just copy that file to another machine, and continue from where you left, but it's also secure because it can't directly influence the rest of the system or other apps, and if that sandbox/abstraction layer has an api that is standardized, that same file could even potentially work across different operating systems, as long as those systems have a compatible implementation of it.

[@luketurner314]

13:45 Image that "21 step process" was also for getting through the UAC on Windows to just install ANYTHING! Imagine it took 21 clicks (after downloading the installer) to install Chrome or Firefox or Steam

[@AidenAlias]

I think both Android and iPhone should support multiple stores. Like having steam, epic snd Microsoft on a pc. Let people choose the store snd not have to worry about all their purchases being locked into one ecosystem. Realistically if Samsung or anyone else tried to have a store exclusive to their devices while also offering the play store why on earth would you buy anything on the Samsung store meaning you are locked to Samsung devices when you can buy on the play store and use any android. All of them need to be available everywhere or this doesn't really change anything

[@luketurner314]

15:18 I'm not buying that for a second. I've watched enough (maybe too much) of Louis Rossmann videos covering his* opposition claiming independent repair of the things they themselves are doing * the Right to Repair movement, that he plays a big role in, IIRC

[@olalekanraheem4655]

So, now who takes care of the security issues that comes with alt app stores

[@mystixa]

Thats one place where I disagree. That we know people that have managed to abuse their devices and find viruses is not an excuse to restrict everyone's use. The IT's industry use of security as a hammer to excuse all wrongs that 'happen' to benefit them financially. While at the same time they can use security as the 'woe is me' excuse to deprecate every thing ecause they don't want the theoretical security work expense. They could work on improving their code checkin experience from a quality instead of quantity standpoint, but no. They could actually listen to flagging or create even crowdourced tools to report abusive apps, but no. The only solutions they'll consider are restrictive to everyone. Its an anti-tech cycle disguised as security.

[@mariusdulce4177]

trying not to cringe at this comment section...

[@bullettime2808]

I'd be a lot happier if Apple got this treatment, people who do sideloading on Android can already do it with relative easy and the security policies in Android to make sideloading hard to do by accident make a lot of sense

[@DerekDominoes]

Apple wants their phones to last? Has this guy ever seen Louis Rossman?

[@dralezero]

Why does Epic store app, which is used to download Epic games, need to have access to other apps on Google store? Is it so Epic store can communicate with PayPal app or other payment apps that are in the Google store?

[@Technology_User]

What if Apple sells a cheaper/not-more-expensive iPhone but with App Store locked? Can they do that?

[@trappedcat3615]

All this talk about Google makes me want to go play a game of Monopoly with kids. 😅

[@EstoForShort1]

7:32 "that these monopolies aren't allowing for competition to exist on THEIR platforms". how does that even make sense? imagine getting sued, when you kick out someone who shows up on your yard sale and starts selling their own things 🤣

[@ItsTheSameCat]

All this does is make Android an unsuitable choice for anyone but die hard nerds - those checks also exist to keep grandma from destroying her phone. Anyone who thinks otherwise I'd deeply suspect of being out of touch with the average non-tech user.

[@FancySpicyTuna]

I pray my mother doesn’t accidentally install something sketchy. I am her “tech guru” but that doesn’t mean I know to fix a phone.

[@alainportant6412]

@@FancySpicyTuna Your skills won't mean much when she receives a call from your AI voice clone asking for $50,000 in exchange for your life 🔪🔪

[@FancySpicyTuna]

@@alainportant6412 who the fuck is “she”? Bold of you to assume your dad and I aren’t dating.

[@Freddisred]

A middle ground can exist, they will still have standards. It's not like the play store is perfect.

[@btcannon2274]

given the current state of app quality control on the play store i dont know if this truly makes the situation that much worse

[@dontbreaktheshadowofmylove]

Kyocera is making phones nowadays??

[@liquidsnake6879]

You get what you pay for and it's easy for me to screw you with chargebacks if you decide to go with Stripe, you're not gonna make as much money as you think

[@Cleanly-s3v]

Epic is taking shortcuts. Cant do it with the PC market so theyre trying with the android market.

[@davidmcken]

So when is the epic store coming to linux? To run on Android its a linux kernel running arm architecture.

[@Robert-rt9ho]

Wait so epic now has access to all of googles apps wtf it’d would be like if steam was forced to have all steam games available on the Microsoft store wtf

[@luketurner314]

6:20 So, did the developers OWN their machines? or did Apple retain ownership after purchase?!! If you don't have complete, unfettered control of the devices you purchased, bought and paid to own, do you really, actually own them? What even is ownership these days?! This is why I have and will NEVER buy any Apple hardware. I've switched to Linux, so even Microsoft doesn't have that power over me

[@soundguy0db110]

Epic are not the good guy in all of this, they just want to be able to set up their own monopolies like Apple & Google. The have business practices just as bad as Google & Apple. Look at their buying out Kickstarter games stuff where users had backed games to get a steam key on PC, and then making them switch to Epic games store exclusivity. Yes they had to offer refunds, but I don’t trust Epic or Tim Sweeney based on all the Valve vs Epic stuff. Will it really be good for smaller companies? Only time will tell I guess, but I hope we won’t just end up with the equivalent of an ‘Epic Phone’.

[@doce3609]

The steam thing is incorrect and I am tired of hearing it

[@jodyjohnson265]

Dose this mean that Google will be forced to remove Google ads on the apps on Google Play?

[@YusufEbr]

There's a whole seperate issue on ads currently happening as well lol

[@yassinesafraoui]

Wouldn't this move make Android more vulnerable to malware? I mean even now it kind of is if you install blindly from random app stores. I understand that this should be the user's concern, but some users are somewhat digitally illiterate, it's not fair for them to not be able to use their phone safely without having to worry did I just svrew something up?

[@davidmcken]

So installing the play store on a kindle device will get easier?

[@robertholtz]

The reason Google and Apple charge fees for digital goods and not services and physical goods is because, in the case of digital goods, Google and Apple are hosting the assets at scale. If your app is free, there is no fee. But app and in-app purchases pay not only for the enormous scale of concurrent hosting of assets and associated marketing materials for the storefront but they also subsidize the free apps. This notion that there is an illegal monopoly will be overturned. None of these platforms are open platforms. As Microsoft said ages ago during the browser wars, any of these companies being forced to carry and distribute their competitors offerings on their platform would be akin of forcing Coca-Cola to include cans of Pepsi in every six pack. Set aside your opinions of the companies involve and ask objectively. What is illegal about a phone developer making sure the apps in their marketplace are safe to use, not malicious, and will not brick their products? This so-called freedom is just going to make the platforms prone to malware, piracy, buddy software, and straight-up fraud.

[@vytah]

They charge developer fees to publish in their stores, that should cover distribution costs.

[@420beffjezos]

Hence why Apple should allow side loading, no more hosting fees!

[@alainportant6412]

You got a funny look kid, l'll give you that much.

[@muaz840]

didn't google just blocked any apk installation in android 15?

[@vytah]

No, it added an optional DRM that developers can use.

[@muaz840]

@@vytah developers will always be able to do so obviously. i'm talking about general public

[@robertholtz]

Comparing Stripe's 2.9%+$0.30 fee to Google or Apple's 30% is not apt. The fee is to cover HOSTING plus digital asset delivery and the payment processing isn't for a single payment once, it is multiplied by however many users (potentially millions of users) who make purchases of or through each app. That is the wrong comparison altogether.

[@malikkalayli]

That's literally BS

[@rubenbupe]

The DMA in Europe works, the issue is that Apple and Google have not yet complied with the regulations and are facing billions in fines. And I would bet that in the USA the same thing will happen with this case

[@stephss]

Please....get to the point, or get a better writer.

[@chrysalis_R]

I realized i dont care 1 minute in. This is like a problem for privileged class. I am happy with calling people and taking occasional photos.

[@danheidel]

Ah yes, the privileged class of people who aren't morons.

[@thomassynths]

Boo hoo. At least these devs have a platform to sell on in the first place. I cannot roll my eyes harder.

[@Ryan-093]

simping for mega corporations is crazy

[@blank2588]

Be sure to clean your mouth, boots tend to be dirty after all.

[@aLfRemArShMeLlOw]

5:26 Stripe bought lemonsqueezy, which is a merchant of record and they handle taxes for you.