Andromeda Lore : The Nietzschean Rebellion

[@mattwho81]

Andromeda Ascendant, Pax Magellanic, Twelve Centuries, Balance of Judgement, Clarions Call, Resolution of Hector, Shimmering Diamond. Whoever was in charge of naming ships on this show was a genius!

[@cheapinjun2126]

really. the qoutes in the begining were a bonus.

[@GplusGains]

You can thank the Greeks.

[@Enkarashaddam]

Don't forget the Million Voices

[@kiltedbroshar4187]

Greatest show ever

[@kiltedbroshar4187]

Fires of Orion, wrath of Achilles, 8 fold path, ...

[@artembentsionov]

“Some say the Commonwealth would have fallen even without Nietzschean treachery. They underestimate both the Commonwealth and the Nietzscheans in a single breath.” Yin Man-Wei The Rise and Fall of the Systems Commonwealth CY 11942

[@wood9670]

Kinda racist towards Nietcheans. 😆

[@artembentsionov]

@@wood9670 I mean, they don’t deny that it’s all about survival to them. They’re proud of being Darwinists. And treachery is just another way to get what they want. Even Rhade told Hunt that “it’s only cheating if you get caught”. Also, not all Nietzscheans turned against the Commonwealth. Some remained loyal, believing that their survival was dependent on the Commonwealth. They ended up going to Tarazed and settling down there with the other survivors. It’s how Telemachus Rhade was born

[@TheJarric]

time travelers confirm theyre kinda right

[@patrickmcconaughey6176]

WOOOOOOOOO MORE Andromeda!!!!!!!! Far to often overlooked. First 2 1/2 to 3 seasons are Great. Kevin Sorbo killed it when he pushed out the first show runner so he could make it Hercules in Space.

[@VarroTigurius-u1f]

Its important to note that Roddenberry had initially written Andromeda as Star Trek in the FAR future. The common wealth was supposed to be the future of the Federation, the Nietzscheans were Klingons, M'Gog was Borg... Think of the prides of the Nietzscheans as the clans of Klingons...etc.etc. I'm not saying that its all direct translation but once you start thinking of what the origin ideas were of Andromeda and their races a lot of stuff makes much more sense. This was the fall and re-rise of the Federation.

[@artembentsionov]

This was written back in the 70s. Borg weren’t even on the table yet. Much of it were half-baked ideas centered around a guy named Dylan Hunt in a post-apocalyptic world. They tried to adapt it to shows twice before. Didn’t take off until Andromeda

[@artembentsionov]

Also, it seems like this has come back full circle with Discovery season 3

[@starsiegeplayer]

Close but not quite. The initial idea for this was as followup show to Trek. It was on The enterprise (NCC-1701) and Kirk was to be frozen in time. The Nietzscheans were originally the Vulcans, and instead of Gaheris Rahde betraying Hunt, it would have been Spock betraying Kirk because peace with the Maggog was illogical. However, Roddenberry realized that this wasn't a good idea because Star Trek was supposed to be positive and so he started writing it as a different universe.

[@jokester3076]

Andromeda was 90% Robert Hewitt Wolfe’s creation and 10% Gene Roddenberry. The truth is Robert used Gene’s name as a marketing gimmick to get the show made, he burrowed and adapted just enough material from two of Gene Roddenberry’s failed tv pilots called Planet Earth & Genesis II to justify using the Roddenberry name. It’s not a coincidence that the show’s writing took a nose dive in quality when Wolfe was forced out in season 2. Robert Wolfe now admits that his vision and plan for the series was beyond the means and budget of the studio, the show did not perform well enough in ratings to change that.

[@jaimeosbourn3616]

@@jokester3076 Could do with a decent reboot

[@Rhron]

I've read some very interesting bits of info. The Commonwealth's Peace treaty with the Magog was only meant to buy the Commonwealth time to build a new fleet of warships more powerful than Andromeda Ascendant designed to fight them. Two such ships became completed, one of them was the Balance of Judgement. If the Nietzscheans had been patient enough to a wait a few more years the war with the Magog would most likely have restarted with this new fleet supported by the Nietzscheans who would be eager to continue the fight. But the Nietzschean rebellion stopped all such plans. If the Nietzscheans had known what Commonwealth was truly doing they most likely would have postponed or all together stopped any plans with their Rebellion.

[@Rhron]

I think they were more major skirmishes that lasted 15 years rather than a real big war, a few worlds, colonies, space stations and starships where its populace and crews were devoured by the Magog essentialy during that time period.

[@Rhron]

Well Rommie said the Commonwealth has never been in a major war so...

[@Rhron]

The data on the Magog's invasion has always been within Andromeda's databanks.

[@Silverhawk100]

That puts a lot of faith into the foresight of the Vedrans. We don't have a solid timeline of events leading up to the Rebellions, so we don't know if Andromeda's meeting the Worldship and return to the three galaxies occurred before Brandenburg Tor or not. Judging from the fact that the Vedrans seemed to do jack all during the 300 years they were isolated leads me to believe that while they might've seen it coming, they seemed to be mostly powerless to stop it. Even by preventing the Capital of the Commonwealth from dying.

[@mattwho81]

The Magog fought in swarms, they would raid and overwhelm worlds but they were opportunistic, they didnt think in terms of territory or supply lines. The neitzchens were methodical ruthless and organised, they knew exactly where to hit the Commonwealth to cripple it. In terms of sheer numbers they conquered only a small percentage of the Commonwealth but it was exactly the right worlds to kill the central government and military.

[@jaketheripper7385]

I've been wanting to see a detailed breakdown of the Nietzchian culture and overall philosophy for ages now, and frankly I'm rather surprised that it hasn't been done yet. I always figured that you would be the one to do this, if anyone really. Believe me though, YES we want it! The Nietzchian cultural philosophy is truly quite fascinating, and the fact that the Andromeda series is so often maligned and/or overlooked is a damn shame honestly. That show had absolutely no right being as good as it was, and I love how it's being rediscovered by the younger/newer generations of sci-fi fans.

[@rodrickadamginsburg8960]

I watched it loyally from start to finish, own the entire series on DVD, rewatch numerous times over the years..... but the show had so much promise.......

[@mopar_dude9227]

I really enjoyed this show, just got done binge watching it last month. It had a good mix of action and humor. One of my favorite screens is from the first episode after Seamus discovers that Dylan is onboard and tells the rest that the ship isn’t abandoned. When he tells him that there is some big guy onboard and says “seriously, he could be some Greek god”. Too bad the last seasons went down hill and it got canceled. Seems there are a lot of really good Sci Fi future/space themed shows that ended way too early.

[@johnathanbutler7718]

I loved Andromeda. sadly season 4 and 5 got a little weird but overall still good

[@ShaolinShadowStroke]

From what I heard, a bunch of writers walked off or were fired, and took the series bible along with them. The people who were left basically had to "wing it." Kind of like what happened to 'Game of Thrones' after the showrunners ran through all the GRRM books by Season 5 and had to come up with original material from scratch.

[@johnathanbutler7718]

@@ShaolinShadowStroke no Robert Hewitt Wolfe was fired by the studio because the studio wanted the eppisode to be more stand alone and focus on Dylan hunt more. The story went off the rails from what he was creating when they changed trance.

[@ShaolinShadowStroke]

@@johnathanbutler7718 Oh, I see. Thnx for the clarification. Darn executive meddling...

[@HaligonMAX]

I love this show.The story,the ships.Is just a good sci fi show.Bravo.Best clip ever.

[@TentaclePentacle]

Are you going to cover Earth Final Conflict next? Do all of Gene Roddenberry's creations.

[@LoreReloaded]

I'll include it in the community choice and put it on the list to get done at some point should it not be voted for.

[@casbot71]

Lore Reloaded Also another franchise to consider, Blakes 7. There was the intergalactic war against the Andromedans (see the connection) which lead to the partial collapse of the Terran federation and it's attempts to expand again afterwards. Oh and the 61 Cygnus aliens and their biowarefare attempt. Also way out of left field, Power rangers, never watched the show, just the 10 minute fan reboot a few years ago with Katie Sackoff and James Vanderveek. But read some lore in the comments that explained a bit about Rita, although still confused. Agree about Earth final conflict, kind of lost track in later episodes with the other aliens, earths original culture in parallel worlds and some sort of alien amalgamation.

[@time391]

Hey Loire, EFC would be cool, but it's basically "V", so maybe you should consider both. (I know the rumors were that Gene pitched Earth Final Conflict first, then got ripped off by the studio, who made V. There's no proof except his original pitch for it in the 70's, just like JMS' pitch for Babylon 5 to paramount and DS9 in the 90's)

[@bobbiusshadow6985]

"V", the original and the reboot, both are damn good, loved em ..... was infuriating when they cancelled

[@househendoe]

The Nietzschean Tactical Offensive

[@slevinchannel7589]

...Like this Comment if you yourself had totally used these Nova Bombs to save the Commonwealth.

[@lamehick7511]

@@slevinchannel7589 Burning one or two galaxies would have been a glorious way to go out for the Commonwealth.

[@Dekline25]

@@slevinchannel7589 Would've actually saved more lives in the long run.

[@slevinchannel7589]

@@lamehick7511 They wouldnt even had to 'go out' though...

[@hydrogenone6866]

The Commonwealth Will Rise Again

[@LoreReloaded]

#OORAH

[@GouldFishOnGames]

I've watched this series beginning to end twice (never been able to work out why ;) ) and you can clearly see how this was originally pitched as a Star Trek series but based way in the future. Still like how you can take 10 bits of cgi effects and reuse them though a whole season :)

[@sebastianfaber3754]

I really liked Andromeda.

[@TheDjbz]

The final season was.... *weird* . But everything prior to that was top notch

[@LoreReloaded]

Never watched the final season but that's consistently what I read.

[@digitalis2977]

If you have a Roku, the entire series is available for free on "The Roku Channel" as of Janurary 1. Earth: Final Conflict as well.

[@dean6087]

it was great until season 3, then developer Robert Hewitt w. was pushed to leave as he had other ideas and network wanted to make cpt hunt a god so he left. If original developer staye dit would be great, but to make things even worse after season 4 production company went broke and even for season 5 actors had to take pay cut and s5 was just poor. Thy were saying that another network will take over but never happened. Love the spaceships they were great and magga the ugliest ever in any sci-fi show..

[@SuperKing604]

TheDjbz yeah i stopped watching in the final season and i never giveup in shows i like it was really weird. Someone should reboot this series. Season 4 was very episodic but at least there were still in space.

[@slevinchannel7589]

As it was even literally stated: Captain Hunt was a Winner. A born Winner.

[@jeremyrobinson6275]

I'm Just seeing this now!!!!! Thanks for All the Andromeda content!

[@JustSumGuy01]

I've always seen this series as the Anti-Star Trek where the good guys lost and we see the results of the centuries after the fall of the "good guy faction"

[@TheJarric]

dominion war with out plot armor

[@chaschristiansen]

One thing you missed is that the nietzchians destroyed over 1/3 of the commonwealth fleet at the start of the war through sabotage. They were able to win by having a numerical advantage in every early engagement from then on as the commonwealth was still busy maintaining it's trade lanes and not really confronting the threat until their numerical advantage was almost gone.

[@TheJarric]

they all so had to deal defections and other rebellions

[@theyodaguy1]

oh yes Andromeda is one of my favorite tv shows hope to see more vids on it

[@artembentsionov]

According to the original showrunner, the show would have eventually had Dylan, Tyr, Harper, and Rev Bem in charge of their own nations: New Commonweath, Nietzchean Empire, Consensus of Parts, and a Wayist theocracy. They’d fight each other before joining together against the Abyss and the Pyrians (who are actually backed by the stars like Trance). Beka would end up becoming the Abyss in order to continue the endless cycle of universal collapse and expansion caused by the conflict between the Abyss and the stars (who are actually demons or something).

[@himwhoisnottobenamed5427]

Lame.

[@TheJarric]

all exept wayist existed during shows run

[@jaein7779]

Just found this video and I would like to point out that you glossed over a pretty important reason why the Systems Commonwealth agreed to a truce with the Magog. During a clandestine deep scouting mission, the High-Guard discovered the Magog World Ship. They decided, foolishly, to keep this fact a secret and decided they needed breathing room to rearm and rebuild their forces, hence the treaty with the Magog. Why no one thought to inform the Nietzscheans about the world ship is just dumb/foolish.

[@robertchapman625]

An excellent video as always. In terms of Gene's creations/direct influence, I've always felt Andromeda is a unique compared to the others. I'm wondering Lore Reloaded, do plan to do a video exploring some of the speculation that the Maggog was done as a 'breathing room' to prepare for the world ship?

[@LoreReloaded]

If there's enough audience interest I will.. Honestly, when i started research this.. It felt like Gene created a pseudo-federation in the commonwealth and then destroyed it.. almost felt like out of spite..angered at what he saw star trek turning into. I could be completely off base, but it was just .. very interesting..

[@robertchapman625]

Perhaps, though the material that Wolfe combined to create Andromeda were written in the seventies before TNG/DS9 aired...unless I'm underestimating how much he disliked the first bunch of TOS movies. I think that the Commonwealth resembles the Fed's so much is more reflective of the era it was made. As for your next Andromeda vid, maybe on the Netichean Alliance? (On a side note, I feel Rhade's quote in Unconcorable Man perfectly fits the course the Alliance was doomed to once the war started-win or lose.)

[@LoreReloaded]

He actaully hated alot of the movies that were made because he felt they were to militaristic. I know Anti-trekker can be pretty .. gruff.. for people's taste - but if you look at his series.. He has some interesting videos on this

[@digitalis2977]

"Andromeda" was actually an amalgamation of two subsequent "pilots" after the original Star Trek was canceled, and the character of Dylan Hunt was used by Roddenberry three times in three different concepts: "Andromeda" which was a "man-out-of-time" story with Hunt as a scientist cast about through the timeline (Quantum Leap before there was a Quantum Leap) and "Gene Roddenberry's Starship" which was analogous to Star Trek...yet the other side of the coin...with Hunt (Kirk) and the Starship (Enterprise) traveling the galaxy after the fall of the Commonwealth (Federation) trying to do Good, and a third that never really went anywhere. The "Starship" and "Andromeda" concepts were combined to give us Andromeda we know today, with the ship and captain out of time, trying to restore order and goodness to the universe. So it wasn't so much spite as the Dark Angel on the Other Shoulder while he was writing Star Trek: the 180 degree dystopia to the Federation's utopia, with humanity being no one special in particular instead of the Glue binding everything together. Also, at the point of of inception of "Starship" the Star Trek franchise had failed (though it had garnered some minor success and popularity. It was off the air, and Roddenberry never expected to revisit it again. However, if he did, the idea of "Starship" was that if "Star Trek" had failed to stand on its own two legs, perhaps the aftermath of Star Trek would fare better...that is, something the loyal fans might tune in to watch because of the shared universe, but also something new to entice new viewers.

[@TheJarric]

there is episode were magogs entrense to common wealth was explained

[@jaycannau]

I’d like to see more videos on Gene Roddenberry’s Andromeda it was a good show with some interesting ideas.

[@LoreReloaded]

Every Saturday I do Community Polls .. 2.. one star trek focused..one other series.. so i'd check saturdays to see the polls and vote - Andromeda will be a staple there..and if people continually pick it - i'll just make it a weekly series.

[@MetaSynForYourSoul]

Damn, I wrote andromeda OFF and didn't watch past ep2 or 3 Might have been a mistake.

[@LoreReloaded]

I really enjoyed the seasons I saw.. nice subtelty.. good character growth.

[@MetaSynForYourSoul]

Lore Reloaded It prob goes along with Babylon 5 (my favorite sci fi series btw) and Farscape as Some of the most underrated series of all time.

[@anubis8181]

It was good alot like what if the federation would of been defeated. Humans where basically low class citizens everywhere or flat out slaves.

[@LoreReloaded]

Given how brutal the commonwealth was destroyed and how it gave up its ideals.. I wonder if it wasn't a bit of an attack on what Roddenberry thought star trek was becoming..

[@FreeOfFantasy]

also one of the only series where the ship has internal turrets against borders. Of cause the didn't do the logical one and just squashed them with there artificial gravity. If you can compensate for main drive and maneuvers you got to have at least a few tens of g available.

[@murieljohnson2042]

Tye Anasazi of Kodiac Pride, out of Victoria by Barbarosa made the series worth watching for me ☺☺☺

[@carlosh.8097]

I'm not usually pro reboots but i think this is a show that was ahead of its time and could use a reboot.

[@ineptgamer3814]

WOW, that was so EPIC man..! Pretty disappointing when the video ended. Hope you do more Andromeda soon..!

[@jamesscott1968]

Something I think you missed/didn't spend much time on is the effect of the Battle of Witchhead on the Nietzschean Empire/Alliance. The loss of so many ships and the resulting changes to the balance of power between the prides, (Off the top of my head I think up until the battle the Drago-Kazov pride had been the most powerful pride and also a unifying force, but due to their casualties at Witchhead they were weakened enough that the next most powerful pride, the Jaguar Pride, decided to attack them resulting in the breakup of the Empire) led to the breakup of the Nietzschean Empire as the various prides vied for control. This in turn led to the Long Night as with no powerful central government the universe descended into chaos and the Magog invasion went largely unopposed.

[@Hammerhead137]

Thankfully, the UCRF was even stronger than the Commonwealth and the Nietzscheans and was able to slow the magog down and in most cases, stop them completely, that is until Andromeda stumbled upon the magog world ship. The Nietzschean of the Drago Kazov were aware of the UCRF and didn't dare try to mess with them, and would often try to flee when they showed up, friendly or not. They also took on the job of stamping out piracy. thanks to some timely intervention by UCRF forces, Tarazed and its inhabitants survived the Nietzschean attack. After the battle at Tarazed and the Commonwealth's subsequent return to Tarn Vedra, the Sabra-Jaguar and a few other Nietzschean prides left the Nietzschean Alliance and joined the UCRF, leaving the Drago Kazov to fend for itself.

[@artembentsionov]

You didn’t mention the the Battle of Witchhead was originally supposed to be an ambush of 1500 Nietzschean ships against only 100 remaining High Guard ships. But then the Andromeda got accidentally (?) thrown into the past and ended up wiping out 1000 ships using Harper’s invention, leaving the rest in disarray. That’s why the Commonwealth ships even had a fighting chance. Yes, they got wiped out, but they also did so much damage that the Drago-Kazov Pride wouldn’t be able to consolidate power and rule.

[@TheJarric]

worse dragos lost theyre khan the other prides start civil war

[@vybezD]

Andromeda was so under rated. That show deserves a full reboot.

[@JustSumGuy01]

Just like Firefly, it's best to be dead. Today's PC western social trends would destroy science fiction and use them to prop up SJW pandering fanfiction

[@Dekline25]

@@JustSumGuy01 DId you even watch Andromeda? Many episodes dealt with the inclusion of all races (even Nietzcheans and Magog). It was also huge on women empowerment and respecting different beliefs.

[@JustSumGuy01]

@@Dekline25 but they do it without sounding FORCED

[@GameF0x]

Andromeda lore? This is gunna be good lol.

[@LoreReloaded]

I hope ;) It was a community pick.. I'll do more videos like this if people vote for it on the channel community tab.

[@GameF0x]

Guess I'll go vote for more, the show was a bit of a mess but I still enjoyed it.

[@davidkelly4210]

He's been doing a whole series!

[@Tylerjb123100]

I remember watching the entire series during 2015, good times

[@bsmnt23]

Slight misunderstanding on the Nietzschean philosophy there. It was based not on perfection itself but instead on the pursuit thereof. Subtle but profound difference there. The race was built upon the philosophies of Nietzsche, one of which was the drive for constant self-improvement. The show made a big deal about the physical differences between baseline humans and Nietzcheans, especially after the fall of the commonwealth, especially since the Nietzcheans took so many routes to perfection. They were proponents of both natural selection and eugenics as well as genetic designing. On top of this they employed cybernetic as well as nanotech enhancements. I thought they were fascinating, but one thing I always wondered, and I don't think it was addressed in the show, was if a baseline human could make himself into a Nietzschean and be adopted into the tribes.

[@bsmnt23]

honestly I'd thought it was a lot longer separation between the humans and Nietzschean split, like 1000 years. You're right. It would make better sense and the timeline of the show is...pretty huge. It was interesting to speculate on, but thinking it through some more, I don't think the social dynamics of the prides would allow a baseline human to join, no matter the physical improvements. I mean, remember how much trouble Tyre had in joining a pride, and...damn. And holy cow what a great idea that is, giving Andromeda to the BSG people.

[@bsmnt23]

For Dylan...Honestly, after the Gunslinger, I really don't care if I see Idris Elba in anything again. I don't know who most of the rest are and I'll have to think about who I would want to reprise those roles. That said, I cant see anyone else rocking the role of Tyr Anasazi more that Jason Momoa.

[@TheJarric]

nietzeans weren born they were created modification included extented life span sharper senses durabiliy immunity to disease even resistanse to nano ones + bone pikes

[@sirfriendzone1228]

I don't normally 'like' videos (Even ones that I do... like ;)), but this was easy. Fantastic.

[@LoreReloaded]

It is my honor to impress.

[@diplomat225]

impress you have sir will there be more Andromeda lore videos?

[@Harrison11106]

I remember the battle of Witchhead episode; originally the Nietzsheans had 1500 ships, but Andromeda changed the past. Without Andromeda being there the Nietzsheans would have won the conflict handily.

[@LoreReloaded]

Indeed, a very interesting episode.

[@questaoolavo2346]

O love Andrômeda all seasons except for the last was very good

[@Cognitohazzard]

Nice, I really liked the show as a teen. Never knew that the Nitzscheans had some legitimate grievances or that the magog waged war on the old Commonwealth.

[@LoreReloaded]

Yea, there was a lot of depth there I didn't realize either

[@TheJarric]

u can hear 1st officer whining about it when he shoots pilot and tries to kill cap

[@hardwing]

Great overview!

[@Gigas0101]

the intro from this era of lore reloaded only existed to remind me to reinstall command and conquer. the content's nice as hell to this day, though.

[@LoreReloaded]

haha, I'm always testing otu new stuff.. I actually liked this intro but I honestly thought I had played it out..seeing this intro every day can be.. too much. It's not like spacedock that doesn't upload as much as i do where their opening is very charming imo.

[@zeigfrydcat3097]

HOLY SHIT AN ANDROMEDA VIDEO IN 2018!!! MORE ANDROMEDA PLEASE!!!

[@lordseshomaru86]

Super underrated show!!

[@artembentsionov]

What killed the show was Sorbo being a prima Donna. He got rid of Tyr when the latter became more popular and insisted on more episode being about Hunt.

[@TwiceStruck]

Artem Bentsionov- 2 years to get to this- Hope you having a Blast- But I Agreed-reason I never watch pass S3-Tyr character arc was becoming Game of Throne Great..then he was Sorbo

[@artembentsionov]

@@TwiceStruck yeah, I stopped watching after the arcology got taken out

[@roberte.6260]

Very well said

[@Kalebfenoir]

I always figured that the Nietzscheans only ever served with the Commonwealth because they believed in their Pride social structure; to the average Nietzschean, the Commonwealth would have been this immensely powerful, unbeatable Alpha, to which one must bow and obey. But then you had those who, because of that same Pride social structure and the need to constantly prove themselves, and become the Alpha themselves, looked at the decadent Commonwealth -- which had known utter peace for 1000 years because who the hell wants to fight even ONE Commonwealth warship, when it's capable of popping stars like zits and glassing planets in a few minutes -- as a weakened ruler, one to be deposed and replaced by themselves. And because something like 25% to 50% of CW shipboard crews might have been Nietzschean or Nietzschean descent, with loyalties to their Prides, they could, and did, destroy or take ships entirely from within, long before the warfleet was ready. So when the Nietzschean warfleet moved, there were only isolated stragglers of CW forces, where before there had been unstoppable armadas. And then, when the CW finally caved, and the Vedran home system vanished, along with the central race responsible for the establishment of the CW, the Nietzscheans all tried to take credit for its destruction.... which, given every Pride wanted to be the Alpha Pride, meant infighting, insurrection, sabotage, and internecine fighting that debilitated their own forces to the point they had nothing left to enforce their new 'rule' of the galaxy.

[@smusgrav]

Man I loved that show

[@LoreReloaded]

a lot of people did

[@moolaflagga]

Very cool I missed this show

[@LoreReloaded]

Reboot for the win!

[@SirDomblesan]

The first two seasons of Andromeda were good, afterwards the show went downhill from there after Robert Hewitt Wolfe left the show.

[@Warsage29]

Great video lore.

[@LoreReloaded]

Glad you enjoyed

[@kevinwestrom4775]

The Magog Worldship has never been covered by anyone. that would be neat to know more about it.

[@spiritofthewolf15x]

We need a star ship lore on the Andromeda.

[@samename1st]

This show had such great potential, then went way "off the rails" and "off the deep end" all at the same time. Season 3 should have been a war on two fronts with two quite original antagonist in science fiction. Magog demanded life to sustain themselves, and the parallel universe aliens could have the same need for energy. Imagine those aliens needing to strip-mine planets, and snuff out stars to restore connection with and maintain their civilization. Both would wipe out civilizations but for entirely separate reasons. Think a Voyager and Borg type story could have worked, it kind of redeemed Voyager. That "enemy of my enemy" conflict lends well to stories.

[@Thor13332]

I liked the first few seasons. After that...

[@schott106]

Well done

[@catbert911]

woah andromeda? you gonna do some farscape next? (not a joke)

[@gristly_knuckle]

You can see the pattern recurs here. I don’t have a primarch. I’m not aware that I would prefer any of the tribal fathers existing on this pallid blue world.

[@robertburkhart991]

Thank you for this. Andromeda doesn't get enough attention.

[@darkhorse6837]

Tyr anasazi was my favorite character, wish he could of stayed on

[@artembentsionov]

Blame Sorbo for that one. Tyr got too popular, so the the star of the show had him removed

[@wolfpreist]

I would love to see a reboot of Andromeda with Robert Wolfe at the helm for the whole show. Skip over the extra dimensional aliens and the Paradigm stuff.

[@AndrewJamesWilliams]

The Nietzscheans kind of shot themselves in the foot with this rebellion as it was inevitable that the prides would turn on one another.

[@JustSumGuy01]

Which during the rebellion, several loyalist Nietzscheans claimed the traitors were idiots for their rebellion

[@henrybleisch]

This show had some of the best sifi battles to date & epicwriting. If I were to complain it be mostly minor because the for most shows on tv at that time the episodes were good but sometimes too drawn out in one way or another. The guest stars and supporting actors could be hit or miss but i liked the long timers of the show & even more as guest stars. I did like the better eps thats why i kept watching. if they only made a movie or remaking would be cool the season enders at each season were often amazingly done they had the best cliffhangers some seemed show ending but just lead to a wild show the next season. over all had it really good twists and mysterious lore etc... that make it fun to watch.

[@OriginalMicycle]

2:01 That's not what "ironically" means...like at all.

[@robertagu5533]

One my Favorite Sci-fi shows. Had SO MUCH potential. Struck down way before it's time. They should pick up where left off or reboot it an make it better. Both modern TV cable and not hasn't had a really good SciFi show of this type since the last good Stargate and Trek shows went off several years ago. With only one or 2 new ones even appearing since.

[@reginaldtyroneshort]

The commonwealth the federation and the republic all grew too big and too complacent and failed in its ability to defend itself.

[@fastest_mia]

YES ANDROMEDA :D !!!!

[@LoreReloaded]

WUT WUT

[@fastest_mia]

IKR lore, I can't remember too much of it since I watched it with family when I was younger, but I remember enjoying it alot.

[@Snapper314]

An Empire comprised of only 3 galaxies only accounts for a tiny fraction of the entire Universe; which has over 100 Billion other galaxies.

[@JustSumGuy01]

Still pretty big to our little minds and our scope of the universe around us.

[@TheJarric]

on episode quetes and cap opinions common wealth had high opinion of itself but were over run by what was essentially pirates

[@Fenris77]

I believe that the Commonwealth was nearly ten thousand years old not five. And that was before its collapse...

[@JustSumGuy01]

So it was more like the Old Republic

[@yonasnegash3282]

Your right. The Commonwealth was almost 10,000 years old. Also, this video neglected to mention that the Nietzscheans were the product of Genetic Engineering and not Selective Breeding.

[@RRW359]

@@yonasnegash3282 They only mention selective breeding.

[@dennisschalk1956]

The Magog can have Brandenburg if they want... I would even consider giving them Saarland on top! 😁

[@LoreReloaded]

+Philosophisticated ! #boom

[@dragdragon23]

The first year was great, But I did get tired of The same kind of ideals pop up like in the Star trek series of not finishing off the bad guy and all that from Captain Dillion. The time when they was stuck on a planet and It was like the Hercules show. I still don't understand the cast change during the show.

[@RRW359]

Not sure what happened to Tyr or why they got rid of his character, but the guy who played Rev gained some kind of allergy to the Mggog makeup. The reason for Doyle in S5 was because Lexa was pregnant. Obviously they could still show her in the screen from the chest up, but having Rommie still there was impossible until later in the season after she gave birth.

[@walkingreader]

How was the High Guard unprepared to fight after the Magog incursion? Were only Nietzchean soldiers fighting or was it just being treated like a police action? It doesn't seem possible that the High Guard wasn't ready for a war when the Magog were already giving them one.

[@robertchapman625]

Got the sense of the Maggog incursion was like the Fred-Cardasian war in Star Trek. Combat intensive and brutal for those living on the border space, yes, but not a real threat to the Commonwealth as a whole. Sort of how after two decades of WOT-style conflict, a number of Western Nations are both not as orinated towards a peer conflict, but as Ukraine shows, severely underestimated what take fighting a modern peer war is. Now add a society with only one major rival seemingly content to just ignore them after the treaty was signed and no other rival/peer for 1000+ years? Also helped that a major opening blow came internally, rather than external, in the first weeks. Imagine 1/3 of the us Navy being destroyed in docks or sabotaged by a major demographic of the USA-that also had a number serving in the military at the start of a civil war.

[@wedgeantillies66]

Toi be fair, despite the recent war with the magog, Commonwealth was just totally unprepared and taken by surprise when it came to the Nietzschean rebellion. Whom having prepared and built up an impressive military fleet, crew by professional and battle hardened warriors and with sleeper cells and surprise on their side. wipe out 505 of high guard military assets at wars start in shipyards and drydocks. Which meant that from the outset the commonwealth was on a hiding to nothing and suffered defeatafter defeat until theyhad been ground down to remnants that would be destroyed in final battle at witchead. Although at the same time, inflicting enormous damage on their enemies that would leave them not much off at the wars end. Basically a war of mutual destruction that left andromeda universe wide open for the renewed magog invasion that followed closely on the heels of the wars end and then chaos of the long night to come.

[@ElzariusUnity]

I watched Andromeda only for eyecandies

[@LoreReloaded]

Was it big on eye cnadies? I watched it to, but I honestly.. guess I wasn't big on eye candies at that point ;P

[@mosser-wm3dx]

i think he meant the AI lol

[@ElzariusUnity]

I mean Dylan Hunt and his Nietzschean companions)

[@thedarksideoftheforce6658]

Gay? We thought you meant the beautiful women. Smh

[@DarthAgony]

Do Babylon 5 too

[@LoreReloaded]

Some day..some day!

[@JustSumGuy01]

Don't forget creative hair styles

[@Paul-A01]

Why didn't the Nietzchians take their fleet to fight the magog instead?

[@robertchapman625]

Never a clear reason in canon, but from the information, I always saw it as a mixture of the belief that the Commonwealth no longer had the will to fight a serious conflict and would never reform to (proven false by both the slow introduction of new ships/research and that the remaining HG fought to the last ship), feeling of 'betrayal' by the Commonwealth singing the treaty that disohnered the victims (even though Neitz philosophy encourages living a life that challenges to prove your worth-which would be the outer rims of Commonwealth space planetwise and most at risk to unknown attacker-and that it was implied it would make those lost planets uninhadable to eliminate the maggog), and their philosophy that of course that it should be 'them' become the power over the known worlds (while not realizing that a number of races would fight this for many reasons-such as not a repeat of the Vedran conquest *Kalderians* or go their own way if given between the Alliance and Neitz rule). Also, it must be noted that the state of the Known Worlds when Dylan emerges is a statement on the flaws of the Neitz philosophy that would have surfaced once a major imbalance formed even without Witchhead.

[@cherubin7th]

I loved Andromeda so much, despite some decline, but the last season ruined it for me :(

[@cheapinjun2126]

same i could only watch a few episodes of the Last season.

[@fturla]

This video basically stated that the Systems Commonwealth became lazy and failed the single principle of defending the galaxies which is the price of freedom requires eternal vigilance. They should have fought the Magog until that species would have admitted defeat or become extinct. I'm not blaming the Nietzschean's because they primarily viewed most of the members of the Commonwealth as weak and unworthy of survival. That's who they were and the fact that the Commonwealth failed to realize this fact sealed the fate of the organization.

[@brianlindee220]

The common wealth seems that they were more powerful than the federation and how can can a nation not know how to fight

[@hisokamorow1816]

You got me starting to watch andromeda and it is really good, however I am a little bit annoyed with the Captain Kirk-esc Hunt

[@davidkelly4210]

It's basiclt ST so that whole Kirk thing in inevitable. Every ST show has 1.

[@Edd25164605]

It was the 'Nietzschen Alliance' not the 'Nietzschen Empire'. To unify as empire was an end goal but the war between The Drago-Katsov and Jaguar prides after the defeat of the Commonwealth ruined that plan and shattered Nietzschen society.

[@LoreReloaded]

........................................................................ k

[@Edd25164605]

Sorry :)

[@markbrittain4625]

And if the Captain had used some sense and deployed a Nova bomb or two then the war would have been over in a few minutes but so so

[@vasyear]

That's wrong the commonwealth lasted 10,000 years and the civil war lasted 13 months, "Dylan you've been gone 13 months, the entire duration of the war" - Captain Yaz gard of the "Renewed Valor"

[@LoreReloaded]

cool

[@RRW359]

As a fan of both Stargate and Star Trek, it was basically inevitable that I'd watch this through at some point since it has elements of both. I'd seen parts of the series im the past, but only a month or two ago I decided to watch it from start to finish on DVD. It was GREAT for the first season and a half or so, and IDK what happened afterwords, but there was a clear downwards spiral. The rest of S2 and S3 were okay, but there's an obvious drop in quality. Season 4 was terrible and while season 5 was better, it was still barely watchable IMO. Kind of a shame because it seemed to have so much potential.

[@AaronRedding]

I have never seen a single episode of Andromeda kind of want to now

[@LoreReloaded]

first season is good

[@davidkelly4210]

@@LoreReloaded Honestly they all had their strong points. Only the last season was a sticking pile of shit.

[@saliston]

The time line doesnt make sense. They fought the magog war but they say they havent fougtht a ware in a thousand years. Also people learn to fight quickly. With that much of a numerical advantage the common wealth should have won.

[@pizzapicante27]

Err... what? the Nitcheatns are specifically stated to have NOT BEEN PART OF THE COMMONWEALTH.

[@LoreReloaded]

No.. They were, they joined the commonwealth. Multiple places its stated and they served on the andromeda ascendant.. a commonwealth ship.

[@TheJarric]

one was even 1st officer other one gave common wealth theyre few wins agenst nietzians

[@killcat1971]

Selective breeding? Fuck that genetic engineering.

[@gergister]

It's never easy

[@arielg7000]

OMG COOL

[@canadiankewldude]

They were attacked from within. The Magog is a different story.

[@Nichodo]

It's funny how Star trek Discovery Season 3 copied Andromeda's Premise with the Federation having fallen because of the Burn

[@kurumais]

so the nietzeans won because the common wealth hadn't fought a war in a 1000 year. what about the magog invasion?

[@robertchapman625]

I think when Rommie says 'real war' she means that the Commonwealth has not been needed on a total war footing in twelve centuries-limited to dealing with pirates and border patrol. The Magog-Commonwealth conflict was maybe seen as simply a very bloody border skirmish (and with the size and therefore population, even a few dozen worlds lost with a billion per planet would be minor). This seems to be supported by dialogue that until the civil war the High Guard prevented the Magog from spreading 'deep' into CW space and within the first bit of systems taken.

[@TheVargr]

The first season and a half of Andromeda are really good, but the writing team was gotten rid of and the quality got a lot worse mid season 2 onwards. A real shame as this show had a lot of untapped potential. I would definitely watch a reboot if it was faithful to the original idea.

[@Hibbs4Prez]

Writing team was gotten rid of by Sorbo who wanted a specifically more Dylan Hunt-centric show.

[@dbadaddy7386]

Imagine a society where every member is expected to screw over everyone else, including family. Anyone who says "that's how capitalism works" is just exposing his/her/it's ignorance about capitalism.

[@badkneesandall2640]

That’s it????

[@ElzariusUnity]

There are so many great sci-fi verses in russian literature which will never see light. Such a shame. Some of them have universe of Star Trek, intrigue of Game of Thrones, and scale of Warhammer. But they will simply perish in russian bookstores. Cause no hollywood producer will ever see one.

[@LoreReloaded]

That is sad ;/

[@chrissonofpear3657]

At least we got an Ender's Game film, and some Dune adaptations. I might have liked to see an Ender's Shadow adaptation, then skip on to Xenocide or something.

[@ElzariusUnity]

Human race is divided into UN, who constanylt battle themselves and Concordia - a reincartation of Persian Empire wich rellies heavily on cloned population. There's a alin race A( I have no idea how to translate their name) wich is divided to sum up into 3 groups. A1 is ally of UN. A2 is at war with Concordia. A3 hates A1 and A2 and does everything to destroy UN-A1 alliance. Then There's alien race B who are astrofags and blow stars to harvest their resources. And try to harvest a Un planet wich was under Concordia invasion. Btw Concordians are absolute xenophobes - they even refuse to crops grown outside isolated domes. And they are Race C Race D. A rouge UN state. Imagine a series/game bout that

[@ryansmith8]

They tried making a Metro 2033 movie but they cancelled it because the studio decided the Americanised script they had worked on just didn't work. Which is good, I think. I hope that if they restart development on it at some point, that they keep the Russian setting. Metro would make for a great movie franchise.

[@Darkmatterdwarf]

So, let's get this straight. The Commonwealth fought a long bloody war against the maggoc and as a result of that the nietzscheans revolted and wone because the commonwealth was not used to fight a long bloody war..... I like the resulting scenario for a show, but how the universe gets there needs more work of a writer!

[@LoreReloaded]

They sued for peace though so maybe... if they hadn't sued for peace... that's actually a good point ;P

[@Deepingmind]

Sorry, late reply... The problem the Nietzcheans had was that the Commonwealth called for peace right after gaining the upper hand in the war. Also as the Nietzcheans made up the bulk of that region of space's population and military force they suffered the bulk of the losses. So when the Commonwealth was finally in a position to wipe out the Magog they decided to sue for peace instead. Leaving the Nietzcheans with billions dead, worlds lost that the commonwealth handed over to the magog as payment for peace and nothing to show for it but a central government unwilling to see the war through. This in result is also why the Nietzcheans did so well in the revolt, because their forces were heavily hardened by the war. The irony being as well, that the few major victories the Commonwealth had during the revolt came from loyal Nietzcheans forces who were likewise as experienced and able and their counterparts.

[@ALMSIVIJack]

The Commonwealth - A not extremely stupid version of the totally unrealistic and just hilarious failure that was the Federation bar Deep Space Nine, now dont get me wrong, I enjoyed every Star Trek series, even if I thought far to many episodes were resolved by deux ex machina technolgieis saving the day, but the Federation itself was just.... Urhh. I prefer the Commonweatlh in basicly ever regard - R.I.P Vedran Empress

[@LoreReloaded]

I wonder if Gene was trying to get some digs at Star Trek because he lost control and this was his response to a degree.

[@ALMSIVIJack]

Lore Reloaded I hope so, because somehow the Commonwealth just ends up being better in almost everyway to the Federstion in terms of a Nation, though the Federstion does have a lot of strong points on a character level, which is why in my opinion Star Trek is quite fun to watch.

[@davidkelly4210]

@@LoreReloaded He was dead and buried by the time this show came out, so no. This was the result of notes he had for 2 different shows he was thinking of making before he died. They combined them, fleshed them out and (what they should have done with STD) gave it it's own IP instead of shoving it into ST.

[@ottersirotten4290]

Nietscheans are a Subspecies of Humans? sounds like Race Realism Lore Reloded is my favorite Alt Right Channel now! :D