Angel 2x15 & 2x16 REACTION | "Reprise" & "Epiphany"

[@arc7375]

“If nothing we do matters, then all that matters is what we do.” This is _The_ philosophy of the show.

[@SutraRein-xy4qr]

And what an iconic line it is too.

[@razycrandomgirl]

​@@SutraRein-xy4qrdid you see the video were the grandma was out here fighting fascist using this line as her mantra? Inspiring!

[@invadertifxiii]

I can't wait to get this tattooed

[@claudeprince6724]

47:18 "...what they're gonna do with her character now." You guys aren't ready 🤣🤣🤣🤣 That's all i'm gonna say.

[@opheliabelleu8025]

I like that the writers tried to give Lindsey some dimension. His throwaway line to Darla, "I'm always dirty", speaks volumes about how he views Wolfram and Hart. And then we get the symbolic change of clothing and Christian Kane lets the southern accent creep in. Good stuff. Great reaction!

[@alexprado3704]

“You really hurt my feelings” always feels like a knife to my heart when Cordy says that

[@arc7375]

It’s the raw honesty of it all.

[@razycrandomgirl]

@@alexprado3704 i mean he threatened to hurt her when she didn't give him the book. so I get it. Good on her for expressing that immediately.

[@arc7375]

And there we have it. Holland Manners pretty much confirms that [their] Earth is a (lesser) hell dimension. Which explains why, in-universe, monsters exist to terrorise the humans.

[@rfresa]

It could be that Kate briefly died, just long enough for Angel to break down the door, and a higher power brought her back. It could be that someone temporarily changed the rules to allow him to enter. Another explanation is that her suicide call was enough of a cry for help that it counted as an invitation.

[@arc7375]

Either she died, allowing Angel to enter and save her life _OR_ Angel was allowed the exception to enter in order to save her. In either case, it’s a miracle. And underpins what Kate says when she states “maybe we’re not alone in this.” It’s a rare win for the heroes.

[@ernesthakey3396]

​@@arc7375 agreed, either way works. Except for the visions, the Powers That Be are pretty aloof and mysterious, they seldom spell things out with clarity. Even the visions are just clues, not instructions. I always figured she had stopped breathing, just long enough to be considered dead as far as the rule for vampires is concerned, and Angel got her breathing again - pretty much like what happened to Buffy in Prophecy Girl. But I also figured the PTB may have arranged for Angel to arrive in time, possibly keeping Kate from succumbing until Angel was close enough to do the rest.

[@Buffy8Fan]

"If nothing we do matters, then all that matters is what we do," is one of my favorite lines in The Buffyverse.

[@Dyrnwynn]

It was based on Whedon and some of the other writers reading the works of Albert Camus, and his philosophy of Existentialism.

[@arc7375]

Notice at the start of _Epiphany_ how Darla and Buffy and their… _interaction_ with Angel contrasts. One was an expression of pure love and happiness, causing Angel to lose his soul. The other was an expression of pure anguish and despair, causing Liam to recompose himself as Angel, effectively giving himself his own humanity back after a long string of very heinous actions and behaviour. And both times, both Buffy and Darla say the exact same thing: “Was it me? Was I not good?” More importantly, it _finally_ and definitively states that Angel _can_ have sex. His curse isn’t tied to the act of intercourse, as most believe(d). His curse is tied about absolute happiness. He loses his soul the moment he doesn’t have a single bad or troubling thought. Indeed, it was laying next to Buffy with her in his arms that made him lose his soul.

[@razycrandomgirl]

Okay this explains (to me) why he doesn't lose it later on in the series when spoiler "Steven" smiles at him. Can't be care free with a 👼🏼

[@arc7375]

@@razycrandomgirl SPOILERS: Ironically enough, I believe that _is_ a pothole! 😂 I agree that the worries of being a new father gives him enough mental anguish to keep his soul, but the moment Connor smiles at him I imagine would be enough to trigger the soul being lost. Another pothole is when _The Devourer_ makes everyone live in a state of bliss, and Angel is fine. Which the show acknowledges and literally says “yeah…forget about it for now.”

[@soniajpalazzolo4987]

So che magari può sembrare un po' di parte ma io ho sempre pensato che il momento di pura felicità di Angel sia Buffy stessa: il modo come lo ha fatto sentire, il fatto che lei gli abbia dato più ragioni per vivere e lottare (vedi Amends), il fatto che lo abbia amato indipendentemente da ciò che lui era e accettando anche la sua parte demoniaca. Tutti hanno sempre cercato di cambiare Angel o di indirizzarlo in ciò che doveva essere o fare (Darla lo voleva solo come Angelus, Cordelia non poteva accettare le sue malefatte quando era cattivo). Non lo so, ho sempre pensato così. 😊

[@razycrandomgirl]

@@arc7375 "The truth about Angel's Big Dumb Curse!"

[@rfresa]

I love Epiphany so much! It had a huge impact on me at the time in my life when I was leaving religion behind and trying to define my own moral code.

[@jjlonsdale5971]

“Part of me thinks we’re not going to get Angelus.” “But he got a little tummy ache! In the middle of the night!” OMG Sergio never change 😂😂😂😂

[@thewizardexploded8924]

Lindsey letting out his inner Oklahoma shit-kicker is one of my favorite scenes, because not only does he look kinda cool for a minute, but it also gives some insight on him. Dude didn't come from money and status, he came from dirt (I'm from there too, I can say that). Puts him in a new light.

[@ciprianoms]

Passion of the Nerd brought up an interesting thing about the losing the soul thing. When he had sex with Buffy, it was the time after, just laying there with the woman he loved. It was the post haze, everything at peace.

[@horsepuncher95]

Wesley explains it in the episode "Eternity" too

[@arc7375]

POTN is an _excellent_ analysis channel. And yes, Angel’s curse circuit breaker is total lack of anguish. The moment he doesn’t have a painful or tormenting thought, he loses the soul. It’s not tied to sex at all. It boggles the mind though why they don’t simply _amend_ the curse to make it permanent. Willow is certainly capable of it. And the combined help of Willow, Tara, Giles and Wesley would’ve more than knowledgeable and powerful enough to accomplish it.

[@melaniejones1835]

Heartbreaking that Darla says "was it... was I not... good?", exactly what Buffy says to Angelus when Angel lost his soul.

[@SirRobinBP]

So, imagine us back in the day, when this was airing on TV, we had the cliffhanger of Angel and Darla getting together and the cliffhanger of Buffy finding Joyce in the same week

[@wildoneizzy]

I've never noticed how pretty the Host's red eyes are before ❤

[@arc7375]

They’re red with pure love.

[@unnderneath]

I absolutely love episodes written by Tim Minear! They’re always so thought provoking

[@rcbuckets]

Interesting trivia. The house Angel drove through is the same house where Danny Glover lives in the Lethal Weapon movies.

[@MrGala0apples]

I too need found family feelings in my life, I’m always so relieved this Angel isolating himself arc is over. And I love Lindsay being a fighting badass under the lawyer veneer and him being a simp for Darla. But man, Gunn’s shot at Angel/reassurance to Wesley about not abandoning him hits me so hard every time, I love it.

[@CarolinaGirl6919]

17:31 James Masters has said in interviews that some of the creepy, seemingly incongruous, really bad things he had to do as spike literally drove him to therapy, because it made him feel so dirty to be mean in that way. This reminds me of something that could have bothered David; but I don't know, because I haven't heard him talk about it yet. I feel like it's important to remember that spike still has a demon inside him that he's fighting, and that any of his really bad behavior comes from that - - not from who he is as a person.

[@glennwelsh9784]

It's made fairly clear here that simply having sex won't make Angel lose his soul. Having "a moment of perfect happiness" is more emotional than physical. Angel lost his soul not just because he slept with Buffy, but because he slept with the woman he loved. He slept with Darla, but he didn't love her.

[@killianlpc]

I think Epiphany was a really good episode. The writing was brilliant, with Darla saying to Angel 'was I not good' the exact words Buffy said to him in Innocence is S2 of BTVS after they had sex, great writing indeed. Great comedy too when Darla says not only have I got 400 years of experience, but used to do this professionally! Another shocking scene with Kate overdosing and Angel trying to revive her. Great comedy moment too when Wesley invites Angel in when the Demon is in his house, and real fun again when Gunn says' you just wake up and bang, and Angel says sort of the other way around. Lindsay knocking down Angel a great scene was out of the blue, and the terrific scene when Angel smashes the prosthetic arm. A touching part with Kate and Angel towards the end too. Angel apologising was a great scene too when Cordy says' why wasn't I on the floor, and of course Angel is holding her. The old order is restored.

[@Oxmustube]

If I was doing a phd in philosophy with a minor in sex, my thesis would be titled "Post-nut moment of clarity".

[@razycrandomgirl]

37:30 I've watched this episode when it aired in the WB and have the complete dvd set of the series and it you rn pointing out that the truck curling the block was Lindsey. I thought it was Gunn this whole time. 🤦🏾‍♀️

[@ZarecRixx]

The actor that plays Lindsey Christian Kane it's from Texas his accent slipped out

[@thompur]

It's not unusual for people from states with strong accents, especially the South, trying to suppress the regional patina when working in white-collar businesses, to have those accents seep through in times of stress. Lindsey grew up in rural Texas. If you really pay attention, you occasionally hear Angel's Irish brogue peak through.

[@charmedoriginal5923]

It is "Angel" time. Let's Gooo !!!!

[@JoanneGarcia]

"Research Music" had me rolling!!

[@mparantha]

2 of my fave eps of the series

[@invadertifxiii]

"Its not about vengeance, its about power" now where have i heard something similar to that before 😏 reminds me of buffys power speech to the council on checkpoint

[@karrieorr1613]

Not the "epiphinussy"!! 😂😂😂😂💀

[@killianlpc]

An interesting start to Reprise with the ungrateful customer in the shape of the mother refusing to pay the bill, a reflection on real life of course when a small business gets 'knocked' by a customer. Angel just storming in the office whilst at first seems funny, turns sour quickly with Angel threatening to move Cordelia, Wesley tells him to clear out, the animosity is very real. A shocking scene when Darla takes the glove, and a great fight with Darla and Angel for the ring and glove, Angel again going though a window (have lost count in both shows with window smashing) The abominable Holland Manners returns in the lift in a surreal scene, showing Angel what evil is. Angel in a state of flux here, but has he lost his soul again? We shall see.

[@ARMarTy_]

Interesting that we have Angel losing his soul in Buffy Season 2 and then this. Perfect happiness in the former, perfect despair in the latter. And two episodes apart ~ Also, 5:47 On this, even for your reaction I'm watching in a specific order mixing both Buffy and Angel (a bit tweaked) and I now can watch the rest of Buffy for now lmao (I've watched the show like this one time, and it's worth it with two or three tweaks)

[@nilesstark]

Back in the day, when Buffy and Angel were back to back, The Body may have hurt like hell to watch, but the Epiphany episode of Angel was the remedy.

[@melissapouliot467]

My favorite Angel episodes ❤ Also yes the Host is just awesome.

[@montego2]

Home Office. A twist but I guess not really a surprise...I really thought Angel's "dark arc" would take the rest of the season so now I'm wondering where the show's going next.

[@randeecarreno4289]

Happy "Angel" Friday evening with Cody & Sergio! 😊 A pair of great episodes for this evening. Episode 2x15: Angel makes it his mission to take down Wolfram and Hart along with their "senior partners". And Angel has a passionate evening with Darla. Episode 2x16: After his evening with Darla, with his soul still in tact, Angel has an epiphany. He saves Kate. And wants to continue working with Gunn, Cordelia, and Wesley. But will they except him back? Already looking forward to next week's episode reactions. 😊

[@zenithquasar9623]

The karaoke bar host is the best!

[@nilesstark]

Reprise did have a point with the elevator scene that in a sense was always around before the episode and stands out more now. Holland just makes it sound one sided.

[@ruth2141]

Re: How / why Angel was brought back from Hell in Buffy season 3 -- I thought the "how" was covered in Buffy 3x10 (Amends), though I admit when I first watched the show I missed it, and I'm still not sure the "why" was ever fully explained.

[@ernesthakey3396]

I think in Amends the First was actually just taking credit for something it didn't do. Remember, Evil lies.

[@evarene07]

Love you guys but I’m afraid I’m all “Angel, Buffy-ied” out at this point😂

[@ZavidWebster]

I firgot Camille was in this

[@powerof3ozzyluver2]

Trueblood reaction would be epic

[@arc7375]

SOOKEH.

[@bellemarie7190]

Something upsetting to look back at, Cordelia has been impregnated multiple times now on this show. I hate that it is starting to look like a trend that male characters in the show are forcing themselves onto her in this way. Even the visions being forced onto her without her consent feels gross. I get that the predatory nature of these deeds are analogies for the dangers young women face in the real world. I just wish that Charisma Carpenter didn't have to be continuously traumatized by having to act out these storylines.

[@inawinchester]

I don't think the moment where Angel could enter Kate's apartment without invitation needs to be overcomplicated. She was dead dead, so he was able to go in. That's it. And yes it's treated like it's a miracle or sth supernatural from Kate's side but I think she basically *was* telling him she died and he saved her. That alone is a miracle because when you stop breathing biologically you have 8 min before serious brain damage. It can be seen as an epiphany of hers to not give up

[@invadertifxiii]

I think the powers that be let angel in

[@algi1]

Epiphanarium.

[@pixy-onewing]

❤🧡💛💚💙💜🤎🖤🤍

[@RawrxBexJealous]

A room full of goats was unexpected 😂 Angel is so over W&H. Damn not skipping out on the bill! Aww Wes in a wheelchair. Oof Kate getting pushed to desk duty because of Angel. Of course Lindsay is harboring Darla. The man is whipped. Ooo the mysterious senior partners. Lorne continuing to read Angel is my new favorite thing 😂 The lawyers throwing shady looks at Angel in the bar 💀 I’m sorry? Angel storming into the team’s office & trying to intimidate Cordy tho! Oh no sir. Unacceptable. Wesley reopening his wound! Dang Kate getting fired. Not Darla killing the bookstore owner & stealing the glove. Love seeing Wes & his girlfriend having a nice moment…just for them to break up? Omg why is everything so depressing right now? 😭 Angel immediately taking out Lilah’s bodyguards 😂 Aww Wes & Cordelia’s phone convo 💚 Oh no not Cordy walking into a trap 😳 SO MUCH is going on in this ep! Angel breaking into W&H to go after Darla & the glove. Lindsay punching Lilah & saving Darla! Angel using the glove going out the window taking out the summoned creature! Going to the home office? Holland returns on an elevator straight to hell. Love how everyone is just reading Angel straight to his face. Angel seeing the evil in everyone now? Kate’s voicemail 💔 That Angel & Darla ending scene! 🤯 That cliffhanger tho! What an episode. My mind is still blown. I don’t think he’s turning back into Angelus because he’s not truly happy. Maybe Angel will be in a better mood since he got laid? 🤷🏽‍♀️😂 Okay but David crawling in the rain half shirtless was kinda 🥵 Darla bring insulted by the fact he didn’t get his soul back. Perfect despair…ouch! Angel going to save Kate. Lindsay wants answers. Lorne in his robe 💚 The shade about him hooking up with Darla tho 💀 Absolutely adore Lorne’s advice talks. Cordy showing up to a trap 😢 I was wondering if her visions would work on herself! Question answered. Not them coming for Wes too! Angel showing up at Wesley’s. “Absolutely I invite you in” 😂 Yes Wesley with the shotgun 🙌🏼 The awkward conversation between Wes & Angel in the car 🤦🏽‍♀️ Not them getting Cordy with a 3rd eye 😭 Wesley reading Angel about Cordelia 🙌🏼 Love him sticking up for her 💚 Gunn showing up & Angel seeing how close him & Wes have gotten. Angel definitely feeling out of place. Them all knowing Cordy went cuz there was money involved 😂 The eye in the back of the head is so creepy. Attacking the car mid transit was wild. The demons scattering from Angel just to have Lindsay run down Angel in his truck! 🤯 Okay Lindsay taking it to Angel! Kinda hot not gonna lie 🔥 Angel always making the most in your face entrances 😂 Aww Cordelia saying Angel really hurt her feelings 💔 Angel with the ‘thanks’ note on Lindsay’s truck 😂 Darla ditching Lindsay’s place. Angel started with the worst pep talk about humanity to Kate. He turned it around by the end of it. Glad he was able to save her. Angel apologizing to the team, wanting to work for them & catching Cordy at the end 💚 I really liked the character development for everyone in these episodes. So glad Angel had his epiphany (🍷) & is trying to win back the team. Absolutely crushing these reactions guys! 🖤

[@RawrxBexJealous]

@@Kthalma It would definitely be wild for sure if he did

[@TheBeyonder-j1e]

Where is the new charmed episode

[@KnightStone1]

Ok…this to me makes absolutely no sense. At all. It’s a double negative for me. So, the real question is: If all that matters is what we do, how can nothing we do matters? It cancels itself out. No sense at all. I seriously don’t get it. Thoughts anyone? I’m lost…seriously…🤦‍♂️

[@liquid_pig]

The order in which these thoughts are presented is important. Nothing we do matters = Life has no inherent meaning. There is no cosmic goal or reward for anything we do. We simply exist for a brief moment, then we are gone and the universe goes on without us. Which leads us to... All that matters is what we do = If there is no grand cosmic plan, no mandated end goal to life, then all we really have is the time we've been given to exist on this earth. We have to -- or, put more optimistically, get to -- decide what to do with it. And Angel in this episode realizes that you might as well use your time to make existence better for the people around you. That kindness in itself matters independent of some higher power tallying your morality points. It's the core idea of the philosophical school of thought called existentialism; life is absurd and meaningless, so we can and must create our own meaning. Another way of framing it would be: "Nothing we do matters [in the grand scale of the universe] so all that matters is what we do [in our daily lives to ourselves and to whoever/whatever else we have the power to impact]"

[@KnightStone1]

@ Oh wow…this comment actually makes a good amount of sense when you think about it. Thanks for the reply. That quote from the show has been bugging me for years, decades really, lol. Well, better late than never to at least read a good breakdown of it, thanks again 👍

[@liquid_pig]

@@KnightStone1 I'm glad it was helpful! I first saw this episode around the time it aired and didn't really understand it myself at the time, just thought it sounded vaguely profound. I don't think it fully clicked with me until my most recent re-watch.

[@kristianjancuska6948]

Can you guys please start reacting to a show called Xena: Warrior Princess?

[@Buckaroo_Baldwin]

Just a little heads up, this is the final appearance of Kate.

[@AlxMar5]

That's way too much of a spoiler.

[@arc7375]

@@AlxMar5 It’s not really a spoiler, since she never shows up again. But having said that, I wouldn’t have pointed it out. It’s a shame. I love Kate’s character and wish she would’ve had cameos.

[@MrLorenzovanmatterho]

@@arc7375 Supposedly there were a couple planned (Couplet and Soul Purpose) but she couldn't get time off L&O

[@ernesthakey3396]

Definitely a spoiler, if they believe it then they stop wondering when she's going to be back, if at all. By just stating that, it removes part of what they might wonder or anticipate. Many reactors speculate about such things as when a given character will return, and in some cases it is almost obsessive, like with a certain reactor who basically wants Farla in every episode... If it isn't information they should have from just watching, it is a spoiler.

[@AlxMar5]

@@arc7375 yeah, no - it's a spoiler