Angry Zendaya Stans Attack Me For Analyzing Villeneuve's DUNE | My Response

[@NerdCookies]

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[@Giarcnek]

Freaking Loven this...Paul already said that Chani will come around. It will cause Chani, her life. Lisan al Gaib knows. It's like the two Goats...First one: What do you think of eating this film? The Second one: Not nearly as good as the book.

[@clichenatureboy3168]

Honestly girl, it's giving the same level of stupidity as people who hate on actors because of the character they portrayed, like in GOT and Laura Bailey who just did the voice for Abby in The Last Of Us Part 2.

[@jimreavis1538]

People really need to grow up. We all have differences of opinion but as adults we understand that. I feel for those critics spouses

[@Giarcnek]

I see where you're going with that (thumbs up)

[@wonderduff]

I love your videos, and I have been following you since discovering your channel. As your popularity grows, you may encounter more trolls but also become a more prominent figure in the Dune Universe community. Personally, I’d like to see you embrace all Dune fans a bit more and avoid overtly disregarding Brian’s novels, as some of us enjoy them and consider them valuable content that enhances our appreciation for Frank’s Universe. This is a community rather than a hierarchy and I do believe Brian’s continued efforts have led us to where we are today; big budget movies, TV series and a younger fan base that can carry this on for decades. His writing style is simplistic, and he takes some liberties, but its popular with young folks and draws people in. Anyway, people are always meaner online, so that is something you shouldn't even pay attention to. I still appreciate your videos even if I feel you cater towards a certain group within the community.

[@Banzai431]

Pay them no mind Elaine. You have the right to speak your opinions and speculations.

[@quor2243]

As do they. Some people are just to sensitive and have to post their displeasure, or make an entire video explaining themselves for no reason.

[@tsalVlog]

@@quor2243 clearly you didn't watch this video.

[@NefariousKoel]

Especially when they resort to calling you reecist for not agreeing with their opinion.

[@VoodooV1]

sorry, @banzai431 but you don't actually have a right on the internet. Freedom of Speech only protects you from the government. private organizations can limit speech on their websites. That said, I don't believe KZbin is going punish someone for criticizing a movie. If elaine was being attacked on Twitter, just gonna say it....Twitter is a cesspool now only correct action there is to delete your account. Sorry, but it really pisses me off to see so many people now not understand how the 1st amendment works.

[@FIDreams]

She has the right, Yes, but these people have had the power to take down Whole Organizations by spreading misinformation. and the Sad thing is, They get their way Every time. Because they speak with a Louder voice and twist things to make others look bad to the casual person who doesn't know any better. I'm not saying that she should censor herself, but if you want to play the 'Internet Game' you have to be Damn Sure you play Every Side if you want the success and popularity. or give up like I did.

[@Head-Gein]

Keep doing you. I love your channel and the dune books.

[@Luciphell]

The changes to Chani set her in opposition to Paul. It's stupid.

[@soothsayer1964]

Her snarling aggression and mocking opposition to Stilgar's beliefs take me out of part 2 every time. It's like First World problems injected into a harsh frontier culture.

[@mastpg]

To be fair, Paul is somewhat in opposition to Muadib. We get a head nod to Paul understanding what he's doing and the consequences it will have re his and Chani's relationship as realized in the movie. Perhaps Villeneuve will transfer the conflicts among Paul, Muadiba and Chani, take a different path from the books and bring things around. Hopefully we'll get some directors cut stuff, maybe another series or two after Prophecy and maybe even another film after Messiah to fill in or reform some of the gaps. It's certainly a different story by short and long measures in places, but we could get the same overall message by the end.

[@firestarter000001]

I had the same impression. I went to the cinema with a friend and he was fine with it , I wasnt. He tought it was more reasonable and interesting, the way Chani was in the movie, after Paul's move to marry Irulana. I tought it changed the spirit of the books where Chani and Paul were a team in love, and it wasnt more interesting at all. Also i had a feeling it was done to appease a bit "modern audience" , that there is a strong, rebelling woman.

[@CajunMarine33445]

@@soothsayer1964 That moment in the Movie ruined Dune Part 2 for me as well. I lost all interest after that

[@tyrantworm7392]

@@firestarter000001 Interesting, I didn't really get the impression that was Chani's motivation, more that she disliked what he would become. It didn't matter, Paul's path wasn't random as soon as he made the decision to use the seeds sown by the witches; a slippery slope indeed, and I thought more the motivation for her disdain. Paul had the same disdain after all, but believed he saw a necessity, Chani couldn't see that necessity, as much because she knew he would no longer be himself.

[@Real_Pete]

You're bulletproof. Ignore them. Agree with your likes and critiques because, like you, I know the source material well. Denis loves Dune and he has creative license, so he gets a big break, but that doesn't mean we can't wish other choices were made.

[@NerdCookies]

Well put!

[@JohnFourtyTwo]

You were spot on with your opinion of Chani. These Chani simps simply don’t understand how opinions work and shouldn’t be taken seriously.👍

[@Neville60001]

And you, the rest of the (white) Dune fans and Elaine/Nerd Cookies don't get that people are not tolerant of what they see as an attack on an actress of color (remember what happened to Leslie Jones? That's why they're angry, and they don't want a repeat of it.) Talk to them and ask them why they're angry about this.

[@faynarawn4164]

@@Neville60001 It doesn't matter, because their anger is based on willful ignorance. If someone says something that upsets you, first consider that you may have misunderstood, before making retaliatory comments.

[@buddygrimfield7954]

@@Neville60001 Way to illustrate your own bigotry by trying to project it onto others just talking about the content of the show! Well, guess what? Skin color actually had NOTHING whatsoever to do with OP's point. Wow, you guys are getting downright delusional. Please, stop being such a race baiter, dude!! It is only a movie.

[@ClockworkGearhead]

@@Neville60001 You don't deserve special treatment because of your skin.

[@bunkerhousing]

They are not Chani simps, they are zendaya simps. And they are completeley wrong.

[@baahcusegamer4530]

You have some of the most even-handed, polite critiques of modern media that I have seen in the net. Please continue what you are doing.

[@graceskerp]

Bedouin saying, "The dogs bark; our caravan moves on." Keep up your excellent work.

[@zzadoKK]

Hey Nerd Cookie, Always Remember actors bring characters to life and sometimes they dont. Sci-Fi's Chani was Fremen Royalty. Zendayas version just fell flat.

[@saintelmo5590]

Bi-La Kaifa!!!

[@hiroshima19]

toxic positivity is the only acceptable opinion for some people

[@theAverageJoe25]

As is toxic negativity for others

[@countfloydschillerhorrorth2090]

Wow, that's a new term on me. Very apt too!!! Course we know if you are diverse from their way of thinking then they bring out that hate that is probably on par with what the Klan did(who knows what the klan does if anything in the modern age). Hell I'd love to put both those groups in a giant jar and shake it and make em fight. Blue Hairs vs Pillow Cases.

[@Gh0stDiaz]

Elaine always remember "Never feed the trolls, It's always after midnight" G.K Diaz

[@Zed-fq3lj]

brilliantly said!

[@Gh0stDiaz]

@Zed-fq3lj thank you so much🙏🏾

[@tomasojones1751]

Zendaya has a penis.

[@kwith]

Social media is cancer and it attracts all manner of people including people who have WAY too much free time to do crap like this. Pay them zero attention. You didn't even have to create this response video. Your opinion and analysis is fine, if that gets them all riled up, so what? Let them sit in their basements and keyboard warrior as much as they want. Their attention span is that of a goldfish and when the next thing comes along, they will move on and forget about all of this. Just keep doing what you're doing. Great work!

[@mortifiedpanda]

I am tired of these 'fake fans' that's the intersectionality of all the fandoms... these people want to associate the actor with the character and there is no day light between the two. Any criticism is seen as a personal attack and they are quick to label people with 'phobe' or 'ism'.

[@theAverageJoe25]

I agree but i wonder are you equally bothered by those who attack actors and directors because they don’t like the product? Would those not also be fake fans?

[@PoppabearsCave]

I don't see Chani... I only see Zendaya. This from a guy who has reread the series every year since 1986

[@r3ddcat]

So true bad casting choice

[@Neville60001]

That all you see is the actress and her skin color is why Nerd Cookies is getting a lot of flak. Might want to get over it, and just accept her as Chani.

[@ormand3000]

@poppabearscave, no need to mansplain 🙄😮‍💨😤😡

[@faynarawn4164]

@@Neville60001 Are you going to cry foul after the next film when Chani dies in childbirth after being poisoned by Florence Pugh's character? Should they change the story just in case some fool thinks it's racist?

[@KenoshiAkai]

@@Neville60001 Zendaya is not a terribly good actress, is the problem.

[@GianmarioScotti]

"My opinions don't have an expiration date" - beautifully put. And don't ever let them to shut you down.

[@js70371]

Send them my way Elaine. I’ll deal with the Zendaya simps by simply and succinctly explaining to them that she’s just not a very good actress and they’re gonna need to learn to cope

[@badlaamaurukehu]

Zendaya simps are just mad they're still stuck in the closet but can't admit it.

[@baahcusegamer4530]

Zendaya is a competent (not great) actress. I had no problems with how she played Chani but respect the mileage others have on her portrayal may vary. (Note to the Stans, see this is what is called polite disagreement).

[@Animotions01]

Facts my friend!!!

[@Heatherworleyxoxo]

I think she’s an amazing actress, I just don’t think this role was for her. I saw Challengers and she absolutely killed it in that.

[@DeadSpatula]

I’ll ad my voice to those saying i like Zander’s, I even appreciate her in this role. To this point i’ve been casting my issues at The directors vision and resulting direction. Chani was rewritten as a foil for paul, and Zendaya did what the director wanted.

[@charlieblocher7456]

Chani was warped into a character who felt entirely out-of-place among the Fremen she supposedly grew up with. She felt more like a blank slate for a self-insert, particularly with her eschewing her culture's religious beliefs with a throw-away line about "Northern Fremen". Which itself was never developed or meaningfully fleshed out - the only "Northern Fremen" you only see Chani's girl gaggle. These choices were pretty strange, when they removed (or at least never mentioned) that Liet Kynes was Chani's parent, an off-worlder who would have been a much more organic explanation for Chani's dissonance with the rest of Fremen culture in a way that would have been much less disruptive to the story being adapted.

[@tranquilitybase8100]

2:43 "Hatred disguised as criticism" - Elaine, she is outright calling you racist. This has nothing to do with Dune.

[@tallaster-g7s]

Sadly the exact same thing has happened to star wars fans. When they crtisize disney star wars.

[@khankrum1]

@@tallaster-g7s That is because they have so little intellect that they can think of nothing else to say!

[@theAverageJoe25]

@@tallaster-g7sas if racist fans don’t exist

[@londonarbuckle8601]

Zendaya is overrated and was easily one of the weakest elements of the new movie.

[@Omni-Man]

Here's a criticism they won't like, Zendaya spent the entire movie frowning like a angry little boy.

[@HisameArtwork]

I haven't seen the film but that sounds like a waste of her talent. reminds me of when I go to a film to see Edris Elba or Carrie Anne Moss and he's 5 min in it and doesn't do anything. I've been celebrity catfished.

[@MusicLover-z8p]

Why does it have to be an angry little boy? Lol…nvm😬

[@spencers4121]

She played the part she was given, and she did it very well.

[@demjan96]

​@@HisameArtwork that's not true, she plays ok her role in the movie, it is just stupid that movie chani is basically not the same as in the books, it's kinda different person

[@laskojames]

Not cool.

[@tommyf.7713]

Remember, empty barrels make the most noise. Don't pay any mind to these people who clearly can't distinguish the actor from character. My only problem with this Dune was Zendaya's portrayal of Chani. You are spot on. Keep doing you, that's why you have an awesome fan base!

[@nunyadayumbusiness591]

IMO, she acted the role well, and had the right "look", but the scritwriter turned the character into "that's NOT Chani". P.S. That's not the actress, or the director's failing - it's the script writer's.

[@OdintheGermanShepherd]

I always enjoy your videos…big thumbs up.

[@NerdCookies]

🙏♥️

[@kathryngutierrez5967]

I think the problem with stans is that they came for THE ACTOR/ACTRESS and don't know where this STORY is going. Those of us who have read the stories and maybe watched the other adaptations know where the story is going. We know what is needed going from the final scene of Dune 2 to Messiah, they don't unless they take the time to read the books. Your arguments are logical because you know the source material. I don't always agree, but your insight always gives me something to think about.

[@redsvx]

Keep up the great content, NC! I look forward to your next video

[@NerdCookies]

Thank you for the support!!!

[@markusrobinson3858]

We live in a society where it has become OK for folks call each other "enemies of the people", "communists", "extreme-leftists" "anti-Zendaya" when they are none of those things. Civility and truth have gone out the window for so many Americans. That's too bad. Your vid here nails it perfectly. Keep up the good work. It's always a treat to see a new Nerd Cookie land on my dinner plate! Thanks

[@LastCrossroads]

The internet will always find something wrong.

[@FineWine-v4.0]

Not internet

[@TillionTirrion]

You Rock!

[@NerdCookies]

Thank you for the support!

[@TillionTirrion]

@@NerdCookies I became a patron early on and always attempt to support your work as much as possible. I enjoy your vids greatly and was/am shocked that there is at least one person who sees fandom and specific works as I do. I was not aware of the term, "Stans" and am glad to learn something new. LoL

[@BernardSolomon]

You Sandworm

[@jessilyngray1223]

I remember walking out of dune part 2 going...how is she going to die in childbirth if she walks away? In the books she understood that Paul was a bit part of the political system

[@kspoons3479]

It's okay to disagree, you're absolutely right. Zendaya's version of Chani was, unfortunately, a pretty big weak point for the 2 Dune films so far. That could change in the next film, but it will require a lot of thought and work on the part of the writing team, Denis and Zendaya herself.

[@pkpnyt4711]

This is what I keep telling people. The thing that held Dune 2 back was how the Chani character was changed. She was the rock that Paul needed to be Muad Dhib and by changing that, being this angry, confusing character, it made Dune 2 lesser in my eyes. I thought the first Dune was better because of this.

[@firestarter000001]

I liked the movie, but this change was bad for me, the second one, as big, was Stilgar. Out of a strong , intelligent, wise leader of the poeple, who in the books didnt care so much about the religion, only about whats best for the tribe, they made a bit funny, a bit silly, supersticious simpleton.

[@firestarter000001]

@corvus8638 Assuming i didnt read it, because you got a different opinion is insulting. And yes i read all Dune books multiple times, and if you think Stilgar was a simpleton, maybe you didnt understand what you read.

[@firestarter000001]

@corvus8638 Point, but i am of the mind that i dont respond whith manners if somebody start with insults.

[@philosopher9672]

The changes to Chani are bad, but Zendaya's portrayal of Chani is pretty top notch

[@thomriley1036]

I loved Dune 2. I don't hate Zendaya. Zendaya's version of Chani is the worst part of Dune 2. The sun rises tomorrow.

[@FineWine-v4.0]

A certain Vtuber by the name K9-kuro said that "Fandoms were the accumulation of the worst kinds of people" People like you disprove that statement, so I applaud you for standing up & promoting discussions (Yes I am complementing you) BTW, Zendaya was arguably the most insufferable part of the movies

[@Handsareshakinglikemilk]

I felt the same way about the changes to her character. I wondered how others felt about it. I was happy to see that others bothered by the changes. It is a big change from the book and certainly could impact future films. I am unfortunately not surprised that people were bothered by what you said. People so often forget that we can have different thoughts and ideas. I feel like often today people would rather find a reason to be bothered than taking the time to understand and allow thoughts or opinions different from their own. In my opinion, you said nothing wrong. It is okay that others do not. Thank you for your videos.

[@anthonyhowrard526]

It kind of ruined the film for me. Especially the ending. Left a bad taste.

[@iceyardfan4394]

Changes to Chani have literally made the second book impossible to adapt.

[@hayorge27]

Personally, I'm pretty tired of remakes. Maybe I'm just old. Tbh I won't watch anymore of Villaneuve's Dune, mostly because they just had to make Chani an equal to Paul (if not superior in ways). She is not the main character. Beyond tired of women being physically stronger and smarter and better than men in woke media. Ludicrous. Not getting any money from me.

[@notmyproblem88]

@@hayorge27 you're critiquing Dune for being woke because it shows "strong women"? ever heard of the Bene Gesserit? Nobody wants your impotent incel money.

[@StormbornDragon]

@@SeaLion8488okay? you know this little hate comment you left gained her revenue and views right? 😂

[@James_Bee]

@SeaLion8488 you act like you have blue hair and a nose ring.

[@SeaLion8488]

@@James_Bee Not even close. Nowhere near close. But, if that helps you feel better sure go with that. Anyone one else?

[@synaxarion]

You're doing a great job focusing on the film and the text. Analysis like yours may even help influence future iterations of the product!

[@cerpintaxt97]

Please don't let the dingdongs get you down! Your channel my favorite way to learn more Dune lore and news. You rock!

[@MrWhite-yg6yk]

I enjoy your opinions and the value you bring to the community 😃

[@NickyByloo]

Children will be children, even adult children.

[@MrJoshDoty]

Can we be Children of Dune? 😂😂

[@NickyByloo]

@@MrJoshDoty 🤣

[@toms5996]

On social media this is such a truth. I started using 'social media' in 1993 with irc and 'social media' as such is just fine. People say nowadays how social media ruins 'people', but it's so evident that nothing has changed at all - except all people are exposed to the human condition. Human condition is grotesque. Without eduction human condition

[@joshgeoghagan7448]

I enjoy your channel and your DUNE content - keep it up !!!

[@Jetstoanywhere]

Tell them to shove it

[@brockdavid]

Zendaya played Zendaya. She always does, simps and ‘stans’ are defenders and enablers of mediocrity. The closest we will ever get to having Chani represented on screen has already happened, it was the Sci-fi channel miniseries event that occurred in the early two thousands.

[@sjc4]

disagree with the direction of the character yeah, but let's be bigger than "zendaya isn't a good actress" because she's much much better than most of her generation

[@Droid6689]

​@sjc4 She absolutely is not. She has zero depth and only ever plays "modern teen girl". She was completely out of her depth in this role and stuck out like a sore thumb with her contemporary accent and wooden delivery.

[@thesean3194]

You can’t please everybody, especially when social media stans get mad because they have nothing else better to do.

[@ravissary79]

You especially cannot please people dead set on being offended by everything.

[@Neville60001]

How about people pissed off that actresses of color are being singled out for the flaw in a movie, as Zendaya Coleman has been?

[@ravissary79]

@@Neville60001 LOL, because that's clearly not happening. Did you even bother listening to ANYTHING said? Zendaya's performance is perfectly serviceable, the problem is the portrayal choice, made nor by her, but by the director, who chose to drastically change his version of Chani away from the source material, and instead use her character to fulfill a totally different role than that which Frank Herbert intended. On one hand, hiding this accomplished something no prior film version accomplished: not only did he nake Chani more pivotal, and more desirable for an actress who wants a challenge... he made her the lens through wgich the audience can see that Paul isn't the hero. Bravo. But in the plot transition between Dune and Messiah, this undermines the relationship core that makes that plot even possible. Chani is syppsrd to be Paul's Lois Lane... the one person who understands all of Paul, accepts all of it and grounds him with real love instead of machinations. It's because of her that he leaves Irulsn childless and thus drives the entire plot against him in messiah. Its got nothing to so with some delusion you have thar no one likes actresses of color.

[@peachmelba1000]

Also, the reason they set _Zendya_ (specifically) in opposition to Timothée Chalomet is because for some reason in a film these days you can't have a white male actor be in a fictional position of power over an "actress of color", even though in the story they're portraying, that is the actual power dynamic. "Are we going to risk pissing off our lead actress's woke freak fans, or are we going to respect the source material?" Imagine being a filmmaker of Villeneuve's stature and still caving in like that.

[@SpaceArchitron]

I guarantee these are the same people who were livid because Zendaya didn’t have much screen time in the first movie which is asinine. I cannot stand what they did to Chani- I don’t even know how they will resolve the choices her character makes in the later books. Sometimes I think there are too many people with room temperature IQ who lurk, ready to pounce on anything they think is an affront to their sensibilities. You did a great job. Ignore them. ❤❤

[@GarretGarlinger]

You did a good job with this video! I totally know what you mean with the random attacks from people who did not even look what you said. Everyone gets them in life now. Your doing great keep going! :D

[@mcmarkmarkson7115]

It just makes so little sense for a Fremen elite like her and his lover to be the most critical of Paul. And this change from the book serves no purpose. We had an entire first movie to show us how Paul was groomed into being this special Leader, there is no reason for Chani to complain about false prophet bullshit, we literally saw how he was groomed and how the people behind his scenes orchestrated the situation for him to benefit.

[@scotts1326]

I just finished this video and totally agree with your take on how Chani’s character has been portrayed. Keep up the good work!

[@reichspepe1587]

Oh no! Anyway...

[@bradleystreet5690]

🤣

[@MakeSaturdayEveryday]

Really enjoy your videos! At the end of your day, it's your channel and your entitled to your opinions. Keep up the great work!

[@skepticalsmurf]

translation: be thankful for ANY content,consume product,and be silent 🤫

[@LordOfNihil]

past products dictate whether or not i consume future product. i dont need to complain, i just need to not give them any more money because they will squander it. that wasn't the case with dune. i like that they only did the bare minimum to throw the woke a bone to keep the dogs at bay and focused on telling the story. id have preferred no quarter, but that would have never made it through production at the time. i think after the election that will be a lot easier.

[@hypolyxa7207]

I'm so sick and tired of that certain group of people crying racism and hatred when something is criticised. They are so ingrained in identity, they cannot see beyond it, reminding me of the "there must be a way this offends me"-meme. They just gaslight people who do not agree with them, doing exactly what they claim others are doing. We love and support you, Elaine.

[@josephlamonica4167]

I'm sick of these people who only look at the headline and attack. If they watched the video they'd see how great a KZbinr Elaine is and they'd subscribe to her channel because she does great content.

[@guihuppe]

Power to you for making this video! 👑 I relate so much after angry stans came for me after I reviewed The Penguin 😂

[@neurosp]

3:37 Katie should stop projecting. The problem with this Chani is reflected on that picture, not related to her skin, but her facial expression and attitude for the 2 movies.

[@padawanmage71]

There's a big difference between a 'fan' and a 'fanatic'. Fans give opinions and discuss. Fanatics attack any form of critique, taking it as a personal attack on them (they can choke on cookies, btw). (i hadn't heard of the 'STAN' term lol)

[@faynarawn4164]

My understanding is "Stan" is slang that comes from the Eminem song about an obsessive-turned-dangerous fan. Considering that context, I think it's a little weird anyone would identify as one.

[@James_Bee]

You realize that "fan" is literally short for fanatic, right?

[@PaulLembo]

I don’t even care if third movie comes out at this point. Angry Chani messed up the arc. Secular scowling girl boss didn’t make the movie better.

[@MusicLover-z8p]

I can definitely agree that Dune wasn’t her best work. I loved her in Challengers, I was honestly surprised by how good she was. It was my favorite performance of hers since euphoria.

[@CristianoCaiado]

Well said. I also believe the first Dune movie left out something essential: the betrayal plot. Without it, the film lacks suspense and feels somewhat lifeless. This is one of the key elements that drives the narrative in the first part of the book.

[@stephenpina3326]

I never read the books. What betrayal

[@renuvatio9986]

Its my fault I brought up Chani adaptation on that video sorry... I didn't like it and it isn't the actresses fault also why when you criticize someone of a different color your automatically racist There all multiple actors, actresses and roles portrayed in all movies that are not great its not racist its a choice we as fans can make were not talking about there skin we are are talking about the acting. You do an excellent job we are here and have your back we are your fans... 😀😀

[@ravissary79]

Woke mind virus. Everyone and everything is racist, even if you like 'POC' or her performance otherwise,... nope... gotta kiss the ring or you're literally Hitler.

[@nurlindafsihotang49]

And isnt it kind of insulting? To make actors or actress unfault-able just because their skin colour? No pro will accepted that!

[@tzipporahwilliams2666]

We all have a right to our opinions, and you've never been disrespectful to actors in your opinions. Thank you for giving your perspective and questioning how DV is going to resolve the Paul Chani problem in Dune Messiah. There are many of us fans of Dune wondering the same thing. When DV changed Kynes from male to female he kept the character together and we're hoping he does as well resolving this issue.

[@brentwilbur]

You don't owe Stans *anything,* acknowledgement least of all. Ignore them. Let them cry into their soy milk. Alone. Let them. You never have to explain your preferences or tailor your perspectives for anyone.

[@KenoshiAkai]

I agree on your gripes about the adaptations, as much as there are a number of things that I love out of Villeneuve's adaptation. That Thufur was cut out of Part Two entirely, that dialogue between Paul and the Reverend Mother that was featured in the trailer for Part One got cut out, that they cut out the Banquet scene, that Piter and Yueh were barely visible as characters...so much of this version was robbed of its texture to make for a slick visual package. And leaving out the ecology of Arrakis, and the origins of the Spice! This movie had a chance to illustrate how Paul had the power to destroy spice production forever, but they dumbed it down to nuking the spice plains. That was so disappointing.

[@steppahouse]

As much as I love Christopher Walkin, him being cast as the emporer was the lowest part of the two movies for me. It's not the Emporer there. It's Christopher Walkin there. However, that low point was immediately superceded by Chani getting up and walking out of the room, then her being the last thing we see at the end of the second movie. HORRIBLE choices in an otherwise note-perfect execution.

[@bradleystreet5690]

I also love Christopher Walkin but it felt like the character lacked the commanding presence that I know the actor is capable of. Not sure if it was a directorial choice, but the emperor felt feeble and weak to me.

[@DurpyKraken]

I kinda felt that him appearing weaker was a good choice. And I personally felt his performance was good as he expresses such anger and spitefulness every time he talks

[@steppahouse]

@@DurpyKraken Absolutely! He's a master of his craft. Unfortunately, I'm a huge fan of Kevin Pollack and others that can nail his voice and then satorize his manorisms. Thus, it's spoiled for me :)

[@DurpyKraken]

@ fair enough. My dream casting would be Charles dance fs

[@darealjm]

You’re my favorite KZbinr who talks about Dune. I look forward to your videos your legit the only sub I have notifications on for so keep doing your thing 🙏🏾

[@SK4M_Freal]

Are they having a laugh with OUR Elaine????🤬🤬🤬 She's been reviewing and breaking down Dune for years well as other sci-fi but her forte is Dune. She gave am accurate and opinionated view of D.V. Dune that we all agreed on. I also think Zendaya was one of the biggest let downs with these Dune films. She was wooden had no more scope than she did in Spiderman. Timothee, Rebecca even bloody Jason Mamoa stepper uo his range for his part. Fk them!!! We love you Nerd Cookies. Long live the fighters!! ⚔✊🏾⚔

[@chargingrhino5636]

You have nothing to justify or apologize for, Elaine. You are thoughtful, knowledgeable and engaging, and your channel is a great forum for discussion. There aren't many of those out there that do what yours does, so please...ignore the hysterics and keep doing what you're doing.

[@Clockwork0nions]

I'll say it: Zendaya was a poor casting choice AND Denis' version of Chani is bad.

[@scottmitchell5513]

I enjoy your insightful & quirky reviews. Onward!

[@a.maximillianjean-pierre5838]

DON'T BE SILENCED. You have a right to speak

[@davidpax]

I agree. What I have noticed watching the different fandoms is that people tend to adore people like actors and directors more than the actual piece of art. Zendaya fans or Villeneuve fans believe that their hero can't do anything wrong. But no one is perfect and you should evaluate the movie as it is. I saw this with Blade Runner too. People idolize Villeneuve, Ridley Scott , Harrison Ford, Roger Deakins, Vangelis, Zimmer etc instead of looking at the final result - the film. And don't get me started on the Nolan fans - omg. 🙄 A film is a giant colaboration of artists working together and you should judge the combined result.

[@bradleystreet5690]

Analyzing a subject critically is part of engaging with the material. Whether I agree with the analysis or not, its poor form to attack the source. Having a debate around the subject should be respectful process. You can not agree with someone, but its neat to see a different viewpoint, sometimes it even opens your eyes to a new way to see the material. Keep doing what you are doing!

[@Calico_Jack_]

Unfortunately, these days, too many can't divorce reality and fantasy. Likely it was thumb nail is what caught their attention and didn't bother delving into your analysis. I hope you never stop talking about the story, the films, the books, and the future. Love your work!

[@nathanielsbrown]

Zendaya did what she was directed to do very well. I didnt like what she was directed to do.

[@MusicLover-z8p]

Dennis said in an interview that he loves that she follows directions so well. So maybe we should start putting focus on to why he changed Chani?

[@RB-sz9gv]

Always a good presentation always great points. Always a wonderful voice to hear. ❤

[@pxlbltz]

I know that it is hard when you are passionate about something but my advise would be: ignore them and don't engage because that is the worst that can happen to these people - no reaction at all 😉

[@pxlbltz]

@NerdCookies By the way, love the background music. I don't know why but it sounds a bit Bladerunner-ish 🙂

[@TherealSBlair]

I really appreciate and applaud the fact that these actions will not deter any future analysis. I rather enjoy hearing your perspective whether I agree or not. You have helped more than a few people understand and explore some of the deeper meanings in Dune. I believe that few, if any, of the..... uniquely charming individuals that lashed out have actually watched any of your videos.

[@FHsDrakk]

Keep up the good work. You haven't said anything out of line or disrespectful.

[@gritz1701]

We Have your back. So many of us were yelling at the screen at the end of the last movie. Keep up the great work!

[@Vlka_Fenryka]

I'll bet these haters haven't read the books and don't know the missing story arcs. Please keep the Nerdy flag flying. :0)

[@kinginthenorth67]

Great channel! Don't worry at all about these critics or Stans. You do a great job and I like your takes and opinions. That's the whole idea of the site and your work. You shouldn't even had to do this, but I respect that you did. Keep your head up and continue to provide excellent content. Thank you.

[@NerdCookies]

Appreciate the encouragement, it means a lot! 🙏

[@seanhewitt603]

As to Momoa playing Idaho, that's just wrong on so many levels. Have any of Momoas' fans actually picked up a book, any book, excluding comics, let alone Frank Herbert's Epic Masterpiece, Dune?, read Herbert's own words, out loud, when he describes Idaho's appearance... I double dog dare you to find any similarity other than two arms, two legs, a head... Seriously, Momoa could've played Halleck, if the audience was color blind... The oversized oaf fits that suit...it could be said it was custom tailored to fit his description even...

[@NerdCookies]

A perfect example of a point where we can disagree and get along! I thought the role of Mamoa's Duncan in part one was epic! To your point, I am a little concerned about his ability to pull off what comes next though...

[@seanhewitt603]

@NerdCookies that is a part of my issue... He has no depth, beyond, "hi, I'm Jason, I'll be playing the role"...

[@seanhewitt603]

@NerdCookies the only difference in his performance of Aquaman and Idaho is the costume.

[@CathrineMacNiel]

@@seanhewitt603 when I saw him in Dune I only saw Ronon Dex (his character in Stargate Atlantis).

[@seanhewitt603]

@CathrineMacNiel or aquafina, oops Aquaman...

[@Aresmanticore78]

Don't worry about them, keep doing what you like doing! You have the best analysis on dune I have seen so far.

[@kineticstar]

Dune has always been divisive in all forms. From the author, the critical reception, and its adaptations. This is just another to add to the pile. Just tell them to pound sand. Life is too short, and real life is too pear-shaped to let the internet get you riled up.

[@fredjohnson7480]

They obviously don't understand the source material. Your review was on point. Keep doing what you do.

[@Warsie-Fan]

These people are insane, ignore them. They pulled the same sh¡t with Rey & Kylo for the new Star Wars (those movies suck BTW).

[@RedTSquared]

I love you opinions! Many of these IPs I really don't know a lot about but you always give a clear unbiased review of them so I can understand where they differ from the books so I can make informed decisions on what I want to spend my time watching. Keep On Keeping On!

[@HaloMahan]

I actually find Zendaya to be an really amazing actress but I didn’t really care for in Dune, I don’t think she was bad in the movie but her performance just didn’t stand out. She killed it in Challengers that released this year though. Also I don’t think you said anything bad about her but I did see comments talking down on her and her looks. What happened to just criticizing the character?Lol anyways…😬

[@DaemonJuice]

To be attacked by people because they don't like what you said??. I weep for humanity, they clearly aren't on the golden path

[@user-zp8kj2cl9g]

So, you're going to farm social media controversies for content??? You're not dumb, you know very well that there's an unlimited amount of people like this. Why aren't you just ignoring them? Why give their unhinged takes even a second of your time?

[@MartinDakkaDakka]

Dont even worry about the complaint. If a viewer cant separate the character from the actor they have no understanding of film

[@CountryBreakfast-zt4kp]

Zendaya was the absolute worst part of Dune. It's like she didn't even try.

[@davidsauther1836]

Always great videos

[@chaz9808]

Zendaya sucks and has no personality or charisma she was the worst part of the dune movies

[@bubbamacpherson9684]

Well said, thanks for calling out Stans that don’t take time to read or hear your content, just jumping to offense which is as you rightly state Your Position and Opinion. Keep up the Good Work 😁👍😎

[@adrianseguras.9659]

Zendaya was miscast, WILL ALWAYS SAY IT, her role was changed because... girlboss power, whatever.... and Zendaya fans are probably only her fans cuz they're also probably not beautiful themselves (not in standard beauty terms) and they feel attacked when it is mentioned that Zendaya isn't a conventional beauty, because she's not. simple.

[@HaloMahan]

This is why I can’t take any criticism of her performance seriously. You just immediately went in on her looks instead of talking about her performance😬

[@MusicLover-z8p]

Is that you in your profile picture?…. You know what…nvm😂😬💀

[@adrianseguras.9659]

@@MusicLover-z8p want to make it a competition sweetheart? bring it up sassypants

[@OOL-UV2]

Lemme guess, she ain’t “qualified.”

[@simonpark843]

I agree with your points about the way the latest films ignored the Guild and didn't explain the relationship between the spice and the sandworms - If they're following the timeline of the novels, the next film will be set twelve years after the events of the the second film so I guess we'll have to wait and see. They'll really need to explain the Guild, though, and bring Paul & Chani back together if they're going to adapt the plot of Dune Messiah as it was written in the original novel. They might do something entirely different, but I agree that everyone has a right to state their opinion.

[@TheAirlock]

Let the haters hate. Zendaya is talented for sure. I just think she's personally too dominant a person to play any character vulnerable or submissive well (not that that's Chani). Chani is deeply devoted to Paul, becoming his lover and confidante. Her relationship with him is one of emotional stability, offering Paul a genuine love that contrasts with the political alliances and duties that surround him, including his marriage to Princess Irulan. Chani’s love is free of ulterior motives, giving Paul a rare respite from the heavy responsibilities that define his role as a ruler. She's SUPPOSED to be the daughter of Liet-Kynes (not sure how they'll align that now that she's a woman). Zendaya aced Chani's spirit of resilience and independence (because that's not acting --that's just her) but she fell short in submitting to the character itself and missed its complexity and unwavering faith and commitment and love for Muad'Dib. I'm actually a Zendaya fan but fully admit she hasn't matured as an actress. Let her nail "Madame Bovary" and maybe I'll change my mind. A younger Natalie Portman or Jennifer Lawrence would have more chops to finesse the role. Yeah... Jennifer Lawrence. When "Dune" hit the big screen in 1984 I was like "Why didn't they cast Daniel Day lewis???"

[@savageworks]

They changed Chani into something that does not resemble Chani. They did something similar to many other characters.

[@mrcatchingup]

I look forward to your continued discussion and nerding out on the story and characters.

[@Mr.SharkTooth-zc8rm]

I have expressed this many times. Zendaya does have some acting chops. She's great in RomCons and very light drama, think Hallmark. But THAT'S it! She has no/none gravitas. Just the way it is now. Maybe that will develop later if she takes acting as a serious art instead of making the quick quick money now because she's sort-of, kind-of cute. She was ill chosen for the role of Chani. It's amusing to me now that I can't even enjoy Dune Pt 2 properly any longer as two things always POP OUT for me: 1- Zendaya's "I'm irritated" face. 2- The Sardaukar are about as dangerous as my grandma. Oh yeah, SUBSCRIBED!

[@dyotoorion1835]

You be you Nerd Cookies. We all love you!