Venom: Let There Be Carnage - Spoilers Discussion!

AngryJoe, OtherJoe & Alex discuss all the spoilers, reveals, plot holes & best parts of Venom: Let There Be Carnage!
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[@KouheixHazuki]

These movies have the same problem. Any symbiote not venom gets killed off and that's a poor way to do them especially Carnage.

[@stickybunnn]

EXACTLY. Riot is understandable cause he's whatever. But how do you kill off one of the most popular marvel villains ever?? Carnage is just as important and popular as Venom!

[@KouheixHazuki]

@@stickybunnn I know Carnage is my favorite of the 2 and for them to be able to defeat him because Carnage and Kassidy are not fully bonded was BS. The reason Carnage is so much stronger than Venom is due to Carnage and Cletus being fully bonded so using I/Me/ etc.. whereas Venom uses the We because him and Eddie are not one being.

[@johnbach2380]

if you think Carnage is "dead" I think you need to get into your "comic book logic" thinking cap. Cassidy's head and the carnage symbiote is still inside Venom. Now Venom has traveled to the MCU... Carnage is coming back.

[@svagglaorde4387]

@@johnbach2380 If they gonna bring Carnage back, they might put him in a woman's body, Gwen Stacy's dead body if you know what I mean. Unless they put Carnage in the next Spiderverse movie.

[@nosoul4233]

yeah carnage should of been a real problem where venom and spider man had to take him on

[@J64866]

Carnage didn't even get to kill a main character but Spiderman 3 Venom did, 💀

[@docha649]

Look at little carnage jr. Gonna cry?

[@J64866]

@@docha649 😂😂😂

[@edgelessspace7180]

@@docha649 Venom jr. also works surprisingly well

[@Burstify]

He killed the father :(

[@Ironmanpwnz]

@@docha649 lmaooooo

[@michaelthomas5433]

Venom at this point could be a character on The Simpsons.

[@kiryuthedragonwarrior2746]

Ok this is weird, um we have the same name

[@jaygeo4981]

Truuuu

[@michaelthomas5433]

@@kiryuthedragonwarrior2746 I wish my name was Kiryu the Dragon Warrior. That's awesome. ?;- )

[@leesfamilybreaks6089]

Venom and Eddie were like Marvels Beavis and Butthead in this movie. Just painful. The end credit isn't a TEASE, it's a threat. The Sonyverse is coming for the MCU and no one is safe from the schlock they have in store...

[@WhatisReal11]

thats sickening and true, and you supporters are to blame

[@nat3dgr34t]

Why would she invite Eddie (her EX) to dinner to tell him that she’s going to get married and then get mad at him for not being happy for her, am I missing something here lmaoooo…….. women

[@nat3dgr34t]

@Mr D Again she wanted Eddie to be happy for her getting married but mad at him for being reunited with his “dead” friend venom and tell him he only cares about himself at the table lol

[@SPLKIRA]

@@nat3dgr34t it wasnt about him being reuinited with his friend. It was about him lying about venom being dead to her face

[@SuperMisteryMan01]

Lmaoooo I had the same exact thought and I was just thinking in my head while watching “Eddie… just walk up and go man wtf are you doing still there just to be told something like that”

[@rsmith8113]

Women moment 😂

[@DC3328]

That was def one of the most realistic parts of the movie.. cuz women. Lol

[@menofglory7154]

For a fact the reason they made this PG-13, was soley for Spider-Man

[@Silent_Fool]

They did the same for first Venom film. Where the 2nd post credits scene is a sneak peak on Into the Spider-Verse film.

[@tomascasterwell2279]

That has been debunked it was PG13 to save them money. They could switch the movies to PG13 with Spider-Man. But these movies are about venom. The studio didn’t believe in a rated R venom.

[@botmushin8878]

@@tomascasterwell2279 The "studio" shouldn't be messing with the license if that's the case lol

[@edgelessspace7180]

PG-13 makes more money, look at suicide squad and the suicide squad for a comparison

[@mitchwood6671]

@@edgelessspace7180 nah the sure reason of the other one sucking dragged down the new suicide squad unfortunately, easily could of made a bunch of money if the first one didnt exist and stained everyones minds

[@cunningflop]

the summary of the venom and spiderman crossover film: 'VenoM THiNK spIdEermon Iz BAd so Fite' then 35 minutes later itll be: 'VEnum Relize SpoderMoN Gud So We TEam up NoW'

[@dylangross3702]

Ya but there’s nothing wrong with that. It’s like Cap vs Iron Man in a sense. WE KNOW nobody’s gonna die and they’ll come together later, but if it’s written decent, it’s fine. and honestly I’m just gonna be happy that we actually get Spider-Man and Venom together.

[@FutureNaught]

@@dylangross3702 It's trite. Give us something more interesting.

[@lilsabin]

@@dylangross3702 so , we will never get a tom holland possessed by venom ?

[@TamizPerdiz]

So many theories just because a cameo. These people. lol

[@ezra_west]

@@lilsabin My thought is Venom sees a better host and ditches Eddie

[@tomriddle6261]

In the comics, carnage and Cletus are so crazy and similar that they don't say we , they say I because the symbiosis is so strong Screw this movie

[@boombox3162]

Yeah bro I was thinking that I’m not super into the comics but I know that when it comes to carnage. Cletus and carnage are one and the same

[@comicbookprodigy995]

Indeed, they are the PERFECT symbiote. In fact, their bond is so strong, it parallel's perfectly with Venom and Eddie because Venom just needs a host. Eddie is the one desperate for the symbiote -- their bond is a one sided stockholm syndrome. They messed that up majorly, along with his voice. His voice and size irritated me. He's supposed to be lean and sound high pitched and psychotic. If they would've fixed those two things and got rid of Shriek entirely, I would've loved this film.

[@lNer0xl]

and when are you guys unterstanding that a movie adaptation DOES NOT need to use already used story lines and lore. MAYBE they want to create something different? For example Venom beeing in the MCu now is a smart move. dont get me wrong the movie was not great but fun to watch. i just see everytime people complaining "hey in the comics they did this so the movie is not good" separate these things thank you.

[@TheConspiredOne]

@@lNer0xl Maybe that is why it got all the hype to go live action in the first place, is because of the stories in the comics, not some half written crap for halfwits like you that eat up any old thing they see.

[@lNer0xl]

@@TheConspiredOne that is not true. i think we all agree that the mcu is definetly bigger than the original comics. in fact more people (also casuals) will go to the cinema and watch a movie about a superhero instead of going into a store and buying comics (bigger audience in general). i dont eat up old shit but i guess you do since you want to see the "old shit" again and again.

[@J64866]

Shriek was fucking lame, a McGuffin just to defeat Carnage in the end and to have a sudden change of heart. You mean to tell me her and Carnage go around fucking everything up but she wouldn't let Carnage kill Ann? Lmao. Also not having Cletus/Carnage symbiotic down to their blood level was complete dogshit. Carnage should of been top dog in this movie but they ended up ruining him in the final fight.

[@400thekiller233]

Carnage not being "symbiotic down to their blood level" is the least of these movies problems nerd.

[@J64866]

@@400thekiller233 What other problems are there oh all knowing one?

[@J64866]

@@400thekiller233 Also this is a comicbook movie thread, why would you be surprised there'd be "nerd" talk. Go eat a blue waffle ya grump.

[@theyfearme1379]

@@J64866 He's probably the Virgin nerd. They like to project

[@MrFoolD]

What made no sense to me was at the beginning, if they knew Shriek's superpower was yelling, why did they not cover her mouth before transferring her? And the overall script is just really bad Lol

[@stl1929]

A scene i thought was dumb, was when shriek was attacking the cop atop the church. She was literally killing him, hanging him from a chain around the neck. Carnage decided it was time to kill the girlfriend. So he picks her up, and climbs the church. Once atop, shriek decides that carnage has gone too far, and intervenes.. why? She was literally killing the cop, but carnage wanting to kill the girlfriend was TOO EVIL .. Dumb

[@J64866]

Exactly!! Her 180 character shift was fucking out of NOWHERE. Shriek ruined this movie imo.

[@SuperMisteryMan01]

Also the one liners she would have 🤢🤢 Gahd wtf was up wit that

[@kanival42]

I mean carnage did say that if she screams again he’d kill her, so

[@kelvinhernandez4714]

Practically all of Carnage's (the symbiote) motivations points were dumb and made no sense. I left the theater just dumbfounded because that wasn't Carnage at all.

[@friedrice7876]

She wanted the cop to die for personal reasons while Ann hadn’t done anything to her

[@thejackniles9006]

OJ looks like he's depressed. You know it's not good when he's this low afterwards.

[@TheParrott_]

I saw it and I definitely felt what he's feeling in the video lmao. I hated it. But he could also be a bit drunk too which might add to his grogginess

[@nitsagamer3111]

No he is drunk af. His opinion is invalid. When you are intoxicated you are not thinking right, I wanna see his review where he watches this movie sober

[@TheParrott_]

@@nitsagamer3111 It's not invalid. He still saw the movie and understood what was going on. He gave reasons on why he didn't like it and I agree with most of his opinions, honestly.

[@MVPlayer123]

Hes drunk

[@SOLIDESsnake1]

He can just be having a bad day.....

[@maineman5757]

Alex: "wtf was wrong with everyone's hair in this movie?" lol

[@clearflow7925]

That was so random. OJ just accepts it

[@Silent_Fool]

I don’t like the fact that they made Carnage to have two different beings. Since the symbiote is inside Cletus body, that would mean he takes all control of it.

[@caleblecrow2207]

Not in defense of the movie, but Carnage is much more in control of Cletus than Cletus likes to admit. He just enjoys the ride and Carnage is naturally predisposed to do things that Cletus wants to do. I remember some lines from Carnage USA hinting towards him basically suggest he doesn't know if he's ever been in control or if he's just been okay with what's happening. But he had to talk Carnage into doing that entire plot line in the first place.

[@JoeGrizz1y]

I mean they were never together. They only worked together so carnage can get to venom because cletus knew where and how to get to brock. So they were never together to begin with.

[@chaosandgore5099]

@@caleblecrow2207 lol, wtf, no he wasn't. Carnage is Cletus and Cletus is Carnage. They are one being. Cletus is in full control, the symbiote is Cletus. The symbiote has never been in control of Cletus except in Venom vs Carnage and that comic is a shit show anyways.

[@chaosandgore5099]

@@JoeGrizz1y Wrong. Carnage is basically the same mind as Cletus because of a perfect bond. It's why every host that bonded to it aside from Cletus acts like Cletus. Extreme Carnage is also a good example. Basically Cletus in blood form, man.

[@Teah8cbdude]

Yeah I've said this a lot. Also when cletus girl all of a sudden changes her mind about killing at the end is so weird. The end was a cool fight visually, but didn't make sense. Carnage can't separate that easily. Toxin especially if they ever make a movie I honestly hope they don't make anymore venom dude lmao It's gonna be the same thing over and over. Eddie and venom relationship problems, fighting another fuckin alien... About to fail, but suceeeds by venom finding its WAy back to Eddie Great.. We've seen that last time........

[@recklessnewb9949]

the part where Venom says he has knowledge across multiple universes is a foreshadowing of king in black

[@disorderrgv]

Yup so Knull is probably in the MCU and he’ll connect to Thor through Gor the god butcher. Loving how they thought this out!

[@Cantthinkofname-rp3iw]

@@disorderrgv don't get your hopes up

[@jomama8598]

@@disorderrgv knull is in the mcu because there was a floating celestial head in the guardian of the galaxy movie

[@J64866]

Great they'll ruin Knull also.

[@recklessnewb9949]

@@J64866 knull isn't a spiderman character he's a marvel character sony doesn't own his rights

[@TechHustle101]

About the end credit scene, I don’t think anyone is talking about how the spell brought Venom in the MCU but it also didn’t make the world forget about Spider-Man or his secret identity it just announced it to the multiverse, and that’s how Doc Oc and the other villains get the drop on Pete as well as the other Spider men get called into action.

[@JoshArtisto]

That would be interesting PLUS all the people Peter named that he didn't want to forget about him were the only ones who did forget. Like the reverse of the spell.

[@TechHustle101]

@@JoshArtisto now you’re thinking like screen writer lol but that would be an interesting concept, I just hope everything doesn’t get too complex with storyline and they keep it simple but I think it’s going to be the best new mcu film post end game

[@Argornash]

Interesting point!

[@gambeano]

Damn bro you're right I didn't think about that!

[@Tonyoung55]

If you really look it can’t be the spell because it looks like it was taking place right after Spider-Man No way home so maybe it was Loki series. But we will see

[@beowulf1563]

I was so happy that they made a Venom movie and picked Tom Hardy. But he is a anti-hero. He kills and they are not whining little bitches. Stick to the comic version and everyone would love the movies. Why is this so hard to do? Carnage is supposed to the scariest thing on earth. Blood, guts, gore horror. In short it's gotta be Rated R!!!!

[@claudegrenier3180]

"Why is this so hard to do?" That's the difference between Kevin Feige and Amy Pascal. That guy is a fan and *wants* his stuff to be good and work. She doesn't care and wants the money and the rep. That's all.

[@laurentpeterson5276]

I agree, should be simple, would've actually changed the game if done properly, but... They don't care about you or me, just my money in which they will not get for this crap.

[@bfabb003]

yall say this but a lot of characters in the MCU are not entirely like their comic counterparts. sometimes it works sometimes it doesnt but lets not act like MCU characters are always like their comics

[@anthonyscanni6343]

Because now that this is connected to MCU they have to keep it PG13 lol… thanks Disney

[@imperatorboxing5071]

@@anthonyscanni6343 I don’t care for Disney but they had nothing to do with Venom being rated PG13, Sony are the ones responsible for that, they felt like they couldn’t afford the teenage audience so they forcefully made a fucking Carnage movie PG13.

[@SageTheChosen]

I think that Eddie acts so weird and is all cracked out and jittery is because he has venom in him and it's messing with him even though that they are compatible it's not perfect because when we see venom leave Eddie he's finally normal, acts and moves like a regular person.

[@Burstify]

That what happens when a Parasite is in your body for too long

[@borafett3005]

Honestly, I have a hard time getting hyped for Venom in the MCU without having already gone through the Spider-Man symbiote suit arc.

[@WhatisReal11]

these people are supporting the destruction of venom lore.... venom licks tv and doesnt like spiderman for no reason it all after magically jumping multiverse, ..... most idiotic plot device ever

[@mmcv9679]

@@WhatisReal11 I thought he dislikes him after hearing jaimeson on the news calling him public enemy number 1?

[@Aemond2024]

The m-she-u is fucking dead anyway

[@gambeano]

I just hope miss Chen is okay and crossed over as well she's actually hilarious lol maybe even Anne and Dan too!

[@ct9122]

Drop anne the fuck out. Most unnecessary character in this movie

[@FaabDzn]

please no :(

[@TheycallmeMrWonka]

The amount of people that are impressed with this movie purely because it had that end credit scene is depressing. It could be the most average movie of the year but get hyped up because of that small addition 🤦‍♂️. Brainless fanboyism only makes the things you like get treated with less effort and respect when they know you'll happily accept whatever they put out. Being overly critical is bad being fairly critical to better the thing you love isn't.

[@rogercamarena1497]

It's also made the past 2 movies irrelevant because they can just hire a new actor for almost everybody including carnage/Kletus because of the whole variant thing lol

[@richierich2229]

How is it depressing?? Why wouldnt people be impressed by that scene? That’s what people were begging for a sony and marvel crossover.

[@lorddj9910]

@@richierich2229 lol you’re missing the point the movie was mediocre as hell but people will bypass all that just cause of the post credit scene which is stupid, it’s why we get half assed movies like this

[@Jonesy0218]

@@lorddj9910 I’d say a 6.7 average rating isn’t bypassing anything… lol People can not like the movie AND like the mid-credit scene. 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@WhatisReal11]

The irony is this fanboyism is supporting the utter destruction of what venom and carnage actually are in comics and ALL other depictions. The bend over for sony cash grab and think they are winning. Its sickening, i dont want this crap in MCU

[@AlejoConejo-vb8ln]

18:30 For those of us who were spoiled the after-credits scene by the leaks but haven't seen the movie. Enjoy!

[@kimmazzone7179]

Legend

[@AlejoConejo-vb8ln]

@@kimmazzone7179 Aw stop it you. You're gonna make me blush 😂 jk

[@kevintran6532]

GOAT.

[@xHighgatex]

I’m guessing toxin got on the cop while carnage was holding him hostage, but if that’s the case Ann should of got a symbiote too. And they did mess up Kassidy and carnage bond because Kassidy insane mind was supposed to be completely taking over by carnage and Kassidy doesn’t mind since all he wants to do is kill.

[@sean-ito_kel1336]

I couldn't stop cringing when VENOM was in the club.

[@Milehighmez15]

That forced lecture was absolutely cringey.

[@NewtNewt117]

While I didn’t cringe I just felt bored, I knew what they were trying to do but something just didn’t click when they made that scene.

[@hi4827]

@@NewtNewt117 They were trying to copy suicide squad 2

[@92kris]

Same…I couldn’t believe what i was watching smh

[@morbiuscrystal4875]

@@hi4827 James gunn cringe squad was garbage just like sony-venom.

[@T-BONE79]

Venom needs to be rated R

[@BluEx22329]

Tom Hardy Tom Holland Tom Hiddleston the Tom trinity must happen. An they all have the same initials 😂

[@Teah8cbdude]

You might be right. I mean I'm pretty sure it will happen. 3 Spider-Man (Toby, Tom... and the other guy) Is too predictable. I actually hope They do NOT do that finger point scene. Venom appearing, makes more sense as (spoilers) ... Eddie is now in his universe

[@coreyb1295]

Like the Chris trio

[@ShagadelicBY]

Dan probably ends up doing the Spider-Man crossover. Venom 3 will be titled Dan.

[@MetalThornTree]

No build up to maximum carnage? What a waste.

[@TheGomatt]

So the whole scene of the cop having his eyes glow doesn’t mean shit because Eddie is now in a different dimension.

[@DeRockMedia]

XD ...now that you bring it up... ikr?

[@SPLKIRA]

Its temporary at best. He isnt gonna be a permanent member of the MCU

[@Burstify]

@@SPLKIRA Yeah, I believe in No Way Home all the villains go back to their dimensions and Venom/Eddie goes back to his universe

[@brianwilkinson8578]

or the cop went to the same dimension as eddie and venom, If it happened to one why not more.

[@williamedwards4151]

Yeah. It'll be a cop-out ending in No Way Home. Spider-man will have to "do the thing" and "save teh world" by sending everyone back to their own dimension.

[@jrakillzHxCORE]

Venom recognizes Spider-Man’s because in Spider-Man 3 the symbiot was attached to Peter, in a dif universe. So it makes sense that the dr strange whoops will now introduce venom into the spider verse.

[@Abdurrahman-ew4kv]

He got killed in the third one this theory makes no sense lol

[@JoshArtisto]

I thought Venom was just interested in Spider-Man because he was being outed as a murderer and Eddie told Venom he could eat villains

[@jrakillzHxCORE]

@@JoshArtisto dude! I didn’t think about that!!

[@lilsabin]

@@JoshArtisto finally, someone with a brain 🙂👌🏾

[@eNv3n0mX]

@@Abdurrahman-ew4kv green goblin, doc oc, electro were killed too, no?

[@artzo118]

Eddie Brock is too awkward and tweaky here and I couldn't care less about his love life...most of the film he was just bitching anyways "I just want to have a normal life *wah*". Venom behaves like a hyper 5 year old, I just don't like this version of Venom. He's the not-so-lethal protector here since we don't really get to see him be the anti-hero and kill the bad guys. Venom's not supposed to be cute dammit lol. We get an odd-couples banter sitcom with cringe jokes all over. Wonderful. Cletus Kasady is too violent and obscene to have him be on a damn pg-13 film, hence why Carnage is way too tame in this and why I wasn't looking forward to any of these Venom films. I liked the Carnage character design but his voice sounded too close to Venom's. Oh and here's Shriek for some reason idk, might need her later. I guess we'll give Cletus Kasady a love-interest too, which is essentially an oxymoron because Kasady is supposed to be the embodiment of evil and chaos. Lovely. Final battle was underwhelming, Carnage was defeated to easily, oh coo thanks Shriek. Dammit Carnage is supposed to be OP AF. Lame. Music was meh. Visuals looked coo I guess. 3/10. I swear to god if we get Topher Grace Venom in the MCU😠...I will do nothing because I'm not in charge of IP License. I will sit there and take it like the rest of yall and write another essay that no one will read.

[@Cucerescmunti]

So basically they ruined Carnage as expected...

[@FKDotFitzgerald]

He was pretty good until he died like a bitch lol

[@michaeldonatelli7166]

Yeah so we’re basically never seeing carnage again… smh

[@captainholliday3873]

@@michaeldonatelli7166 Never say never with these movies especially with that post credit scene

[@rudra7615]

Who else is watching this cause they don't care about the movie, nor going to pay and watch it when it is first out? I'll wait for it when it is free on my streaming service

[@dannyomega3363]

Poor😆

[@cortocircuitopod]

Me, I don't give af about this movie🤣 Only the post-credit scene which I've already seen on YT

[@carmony8756]

Venom is my all time favourite villain and I really can't care about this. Actually I hate this. There is nothing unique about Spider-Man and Venom fight if there is no development of the relationship between Peter and Eddie. It will just feel like a WWE match between two very popular wrestler. Marvel tried to do this right in Homecoming and Far From Home with the villains they used but seems like Sony doesn't care about the story at all. They just want quick money.

[@baconator953]

Exactly! Standalone Venom films will never work without Spider-Man and his connection with the black suit and Eddie Brock. Also, they ruined Carnage...

[@WhatisReal11]

amen dude, screw these people supporthing this and bending over for sony. its pathetic

[@leatherhitman7401]

So I'm thinking with the end credits scene Eddy's appearing just when No Way Home is taking place setting up for a end sequence where the 2 will meet. Cletus got his head bitten off in that universe, but I'm thinking he'll be alive in Peter Parker's universe. Only because the only other Venom would be Flash Tompson but he's in Pete's grade. Cassedy somewhere ALIVE in prison. History does tend to repeat itself.

[@gintokisan5171]

While in a different universe, Ultron did more Carnage than Carnage himself..in less than 30 mins screen time..

[@kingjose9964]

I really loved the way carnage looked when he first came out to full form.

[@RangerHauk]

I'm surprised to see no discussion on the scene where Anne semi-seduces Venom lol

[@Sjf70226]

Carnage symbiote insecure, doesn’t like eating in front of people

[@redbaron5308]

Other Joe is carnage

[@redbaron5308]

I like how they both realize that Carnage eats like Other Joe at the same time. 1:21

[@SaturdayLuggage]

This was my biggest fear for this movie, carnage just cannot be in a pg-13 movie hes to brutal, and from this review it sounds like they pussified him.... so sad bc venom is my fav comic book character

[@J64866]

He was great until the last fight. Cletus fighting with the carnage symbiote was garbage.

[@TheConker117]

They nerfed the shi* out of carnage. Honestly it was sad watching that

[@Vixenlive22]

You should watch it anyways but yeah disappointing

[@jackscalibur]

Another issue I had with Carnage, is that he is supposed to be intertwined with Cletus' bloodstream. I didn't like how he was separated from him at the end before he died. And another thing. Isn't Carnage supposed to be more resistant (if not fully resistant) to loud noises, compared to Venom and other symbiotes? Why did they change that here?

[@canisrufuslupus3071]

Carnages birth was really that easy in the comics too. When Venom breaks out of jail, he leaves behind a scratch of itself on the bars. Kassidy just picked it up and a new symbiote is born! Easy as 1 2 3.

[@SoranotRoxas]

I'm spoiling myself here because I have a feeling this film is gonna be mediocre like the first 😆

[@WhatisReal11]

its worse

[@henkhenkste6076]

mediocre? the first one was horrible and this one is even worse

[@bobbyhawk8797]

Carnage is OJ's secret identity always hiding behind the chair to eat

[@gabrielmccallum2689]

I did like the little reference when venom was dropping the girl down in the church I got a memory of watch tasm2 ending when he’s holding on to her

[@pickybusiness8549]

Here's the thing about cletus getting a symbiote via biting. It's not any less dumb than the comics, where venom literally just left his spawn laying around and one of them infects cletus.

[@Bhutchin09]

Yeah but it’s still more dumb because anyone could acquire a symbiote that way. At least in the comics it was a rare event and them having an asexual spawn is better lore than consuming blood.

[@What.99]

Actually it’s much dumber in this movie than in the comics, because if Cletus biting Eddie is enough to make Eddie/Venom bleed, then why doesn’t Venom coat the walls in symbiote/blood every time they’re shot? Venom is an alien that’s impervious to most forms of attack, so if a dude with an overbite can make Venom bleed, that’s some bad writing.

[@outkripper8272]

Which makes it even worse. If you're going to change it, atleast make it better or interesting. Instead it's literally forced and stupid as fuck.

[@joshburns969]

@@What.99 He didnt make Venom bleed he made Eddie bleed.

[@DFTNSHEXGRM]

Venom flipping off Eddie while riding away on a bike was hilarious.

[@RealZeroKaiba]

I personally liked the movie, just didn’t like Shriek felt like she wasn’t needed. Also the after credit scene made the whole movie worth watching for me.

[@rudra7615]

The thing is, the spiderman broadcast is just happening when Venom appeared, but everything in the Spiderman trailer shows, Dr strange did the spell much later, possibly a few days later..so how can it be the spell? Something else?

[@isaacsmith6878]

Depending how big the story is for the media they'll keep coverage on the single story over a period of time like political stories or in this case a "major crime" or breakthrough story which it is so there we have it in context

[@rudra7615]

@@isaacsmith6878 true, but movie makers wouldn't do that, making the viewer go "oh this isn't happening now but major news just being repeated days and weeks later". It's purposely chosen. I'm guessing they would want Venom to be in this universe and come to hate Spiderman, even taking his spider emblem into his design etc..via a venom 3 and then clash with Spiderman in venom 4/sinister six movie. Other factors come into play, do you let Venom know the indentity of Spiderman? Or does his memory get erased too? Does this factor in? We just have to wait and see

[@0001captainawesome]

About time. Literally the main thing to Venom's charachter is that he desires Peter Parker as a host more than anyone, including Eddie. He considers Spider-Man as the ultimate host and his literal absolutely perfect host. That's why after Venom bonds to Eddie he still resembles Spider-Man and makes "webs" of his own.

[@B0risTheBlade]

Nah he only tuned to Peter cause Peter was his first. He imprinted on venom, and venom actually hates him because while they sync perfectly, venom blames Peter for the negative sides to his character. As at the time we were to believe that symbiotes didn't have a personality until they bonded for the first time

[@jaysnow4074]

I'm stubborn, I want cletus kassidy from the spiderman animated series "man" and Carnage's laugh from the Maximum Carnage Genesis game

[@tylerdurden5303]

Amazing. An end credits scene lasting 1 minute and 25 seconds has probably saved this franchise.

[@henkhenkste6076]

hell no

[@tylerdurden5303]

@@henkhenkste6076 hell yeah!

[@parkerboy795]

@@tylerdurden5303 I doubt it. This Venom and MCU Spider-Man have no relationship.

[@MysticXombie]

Other Joe, thank you for the good laugh at the very end. That had me cracking up!

[@Heyesy]

My only guess about how Toxin was created is that when Shriek gouged Mulligans eye out, some of Carnages pieces flew off when Venom and him were fighting and got into his eye, and mixed with his blood. Maybe. I don't know, it was literally completely out of nowhere.

[@mrpickles9980]

R rated body horror venom movie that’s done as a stand-alone like the joker. Directed by leigh whannell. A man can dream.

[@WhatisReal11]

stand alone carnage film, were he is graphic as the thing.

[@Vixenlive22]

This movie could’ve been better if Shriek was not in it and it was made rated R. The pacing was way too fast and it left me feeling like there were missing scenes.

[@tubbisaurusrex]

I think if we saw Carnage doing things like refusing to be in a wedding and arguing with Cledus a lot more, then we would have a better parallel dynamic that they were going for at the end. Venom and Eddie both say that they arent symbiotic, so that should have been emphasized a lot more. Even in a non action/non shriek scene where they argue.

[@LvXGameMaster]

So I think I can tell what makes me really like the movie is that I have not read a Carnage comic. The only intro to Carnage I had was the animated Spiderman series and the 2000 Spiderman game. So This movie was a serious step up and probably the best onscreen interpretation we're going to get.

[@embeux4907]

Technically carnage could be back bc Tom Holland is in a separate universe and cletus kassidy could still be alive logically

[@306oldboyful]

They made a really toned down movie so venom can be in spiderman, it's a shame

[@tomascasterwell2279]

No they didn’t they could change the rating when he crosses over. They went PG 13 because they didn’t believe in a rated R venom. That’s what hurt this movie Spider-Man hasn’t crossed over yet. So they didn’t have to do PG13 at all.

[@JaySewani]

Venom 1 was already PG13 though they are not going to make R rated Sequel if First is PG13 😂😂

[@troymcclure681]

@@JaySewani why not ? Who are you to say

[@JaySewani]

@@troymcclure681 Tell me one franchise which made sequel R Rated but part 1 was PG13 🤷 no franchise does that

[@troymcclure681]

@@JaySewani never said any franchise did that that's not my argument it would make sense to do it here especially for a brutal character like carnage

[@rdel9926]

I love that mulligan is tommy from Snatch

[@joefayant6143]

It wasn’t that Eddie got bit that made cletus carnage. It was that venom produced a offspring and it traveled into cletus from the bite by eddies blood. Like how in the comics cletus has a cut on his hand and the offspring falls into the cut and makes carnage.they just switched who’s blood it transfers from

[@DrJay-iy8rv]

Honestly film should’ve rated R. It’s Carnage for God’s sake!!!

[@TheConker117]

I was so afraid once I heard it was going to be a PG13 film. Did not do carnage any justice

[@messageinthebottle1673]

What kinda bother me is that shierk doesn't have her own symbiote which clearly in the comic book but instead she is just a person with screaming powers.

[@captaincaptain2128]

If you watch the far from home trailer you can briefly see spiderman in a black suit. Now that venom is in the mcu, perhaps he bonds with Peter temporarily, before returning to Eddie?

[@jbox6315]

The suit is black and gold it's probably a mystical suit dr strange gives him

[@TheBigTexan]

Like someone already pointed out, that's probably a magic defense suit, but at some point I can definitely see Venom temporarily being bound to Spider Man, then once he return to Eddie, Venom might finally get that white spider logo.

[@YuniorGamboa]

I hate the fact that venom and carnage kept changing back and forth to humans just to say something That it's so annoying

[@parkerboy795]

Pretty sure that's Sony conserving their budget.

[@WhatisReal11]

Sony budget cut, and this fake fans boys bend over and take it. meanwhile sony destroys venom and carnage on every possible level.

[@TreezyTree]

i watched this instead of watching the movie... this confirmed everything i suspected

[@poisonova1]

Guys you are thinking about this on surface level. The symbiote connected with kassedy when he bit him and chose to transfer to him. Just like it happened in the comics. Think about it, Venom has been wanting to go out there and destroy things, part of the symbiote transferred for this reason. There are far more things about this movie to not like but how he got the symbiote isn't one of them imo lol.

[@shockzpanda78]

Everyone in my theater was like “what just happened?” During the end scene. And I was just sitting there like. “I know exactly what’s going on”

[@henkhenkste6076]

poor you

[@Teah8cbdude]

Also when cletus girl all of a sudden changes her mind about killing at the end is so weird. The end was a cool fight visually, but didn't make sense. Carnage can't separate that easily. Deciding to kill off Cletus is dumb. Toxin hint, now who's toxins enemy? Venom only? especially if they ever make a movie I honestly hope they don't make anymore venom tbh, they will ruin toxin. It's gonna be the same thing over and over. Eddie and venom relationship problems, fighting another fuckin alien... About to fail, but suceeeds by venom finding its WAy back to Eddie Great.. We've seen that last time.

[@Teah8cbdude]

Not to be harsh but venom films only visually great, and fights are ok. Story, is broken

[@Kilawpilath]

I suspect what'll happen is Venom will want to kill Toxin, because of the whole once every 10k Years a Super Symbiote is born, but is born crazy, and is afraid of what Toxin will become because of being Carnage's Spawn. So Venom will be the villain in the movie till the tail end.

[@Teah8cbdude]

@@Kilawpilath idk tho toxin is stronger than both of them, yet is a hero but kind of an anti villain too just like Eddie he fights justice but also needs to eat, and is brutal but toxin hates his parents just like any offspring symbiote or most at least. I guess who it bonds to idk the truth here im just saying stuff But yeah I honestly just hope they (Sony) don't do anymore venom films at least maybe give its rights to marvel, at least the jokes would be cooler and choreography not just visuals

[@bluejay2623]

Tom Hardy actually wrote alot of the script that's why it's so off

[@RodaMoonknight]

He did?!

[@Revan-eb1wb]

Yeah..i think he should stop writing

[@acedragon543]

So for the post credit, i'm not sure if Venom so much has a connection to Spider-man as he thinks he can eat him. Venom wants to be a "lethal protector" and seems to enjoy fighting opponents who are at least somewhat challenging. The only thing they see about him when they get there is the news framing Spidey as a villain and as Venom has said before, he can eat bad guys.

[@GGA007Gaming]

I'm pretty sure the whole bitting venom thing was actually a callback to one of the comic runs

[@Nick-4K]

I don't care about the movie. But that Post Credit scene got me hyped.

[@WhatisReal11]

so your hyed for garbage movies' to leak over into quality ones? sums it up... this is only successful because of spiderman lore itself

[@downhill1222]

@@WhatisReal11 I mean the movie has like a 84% so people are liking the movie

[@Xycreus]

Venom and Carnage is my favorite comic book characters and these movies just makes sad,They could do so much more creative and serious stories with these characters but Sony keeps refusing to listen to fans and just wants some easy money every time with their lazy writing.They're trying so hard to make these movies look like its from MCU by ham fisting humor in it and not making it R rated.Tom Hardy Venom potrayal is good but we provably will never get a comic accurate Carnage ever.

[@WhatisReal11]

Tom hardy venom accidently becoming venom from dumb Kroll show chick... is not good. It shits on spiderman lore, and these idiots love it. sickening

[@AmiAki]

thank you I was so confused like I thought the detective was dead. When and how did he get blood from another symbiote? It seemed so random he wakes up with glowing eyes ‘monsters’ ….. And if it’s sweat then Anne should become one too! Makes no sense

[@SlowedSonics]

To me the cops eyes at the end were the same blue hue as Shriek and Shriek did say you can’t kill a ghost, so I imagine Shriek now inhabits the cop

[@H2Zv1]

"I'm coming out of the Eddie Closet" when I heard this line I was done with this movie at that point.

[@Shwindo]

That after credit scene tho

[@J64866]

A non ruthless Eddie Brock Venom vs Iron spider boy, yay.

[@Shwindo]

@@J64866 when you put it like that😂😂😂

[@J64866]

@@Shwindo 🤣🤣 I'll be fair seeing Venom vs spiderman on screen should be fun but the story around it is gonna feel so weird lol

[@Shwindo]

@@J64866 I agree. I’m just happy to see venom vs spider man that isn’t the one from Spider-Man 3 lol

[@J64866]

@@Shwindo Spiderman 3 was a mixed bag, but at the very least it had the motivation of hating Spiderman/Peter right.

[@mfconstructor]

Maybe is the same venom from the Toby films , or he recognized the sipdy suit , and he shared memories from other universe venom from the Toby film ?

[@1Band1Sound]

The end credit was a result of the Loki series not a spell from Strange

[@nickblack2006]

So does that mean Venom has the memories of venom from Spiderman 3 ?

[@WhatisReal11]

i would rather see topher grace than this crap

[@ciaranmcguinness8900]

I hated it, that wasn't my Venom or Carnage, that wasn't what I grew up reading in fact it respected none of the source material, they say Lethal Protector so many times it's almost like a big middle finger, it's like Sony are saying "we know about the comics but we're not going to do any of that so fuck you and give us your money" I was so hyped for this movie, it's reaffirmed my want to not watch anymore films made from now on, it's actually triggered my depression from how disappointed I was with it, fuck cash grabs

[@WhatisReal11]

All these people supporting these bend over for sony garbage films, are not actual fans of spiderman comic lore clearly. There is no zero actual reason for venom to hate spiderman

[@samwilson2250]

This movie definitely has to many diverging points and plots to where it feels bloated. I will say I wish there were more scenes like when Eddie uses his journalism skills to find the house where Cletus and shriek stayed at, but put it more towards finding carnage after he escapes and putting clues together. All it boils down to is add a bit of batman flavor to Eddie's arsenal.

[@CPTZK11]

More than the Spider-Man universe hype, I was actually more excited for the King of The Black set up when Venom talked about the hive mind. It might be decades in the future but the set up is there

[@AdanMGarcia]

Don’t worry all of the Sony properties and characters will be remade in the marvel universe. We’ll get marvels carnage one day. That’s the plan I bet.

[@natediaz1863]

I don't think that would be much better. There's no room in the MCU for dark Spiderman stories.

[@michaelmyersplays4992]

Unless Sony let’s them Sony owns all the Spider-Man Universe and characters Filming rights

[@MarioRodriguez-lg6lg]

Took the wife and daughter to watch it last night at the Latin Cinema, which was in Spanish, for the wife. They had one starting every single hour. It was packed when we went. Joke were still funny in Spanish. For what it was it was good. I couldn't stop thinking NATURAL BORN KILLERS, shades of it at least, story wise and characters. 🤘🤠

[@dariendarkhouse8538]

I like the movie. However, I hope that Carnage comes back in the MCU post Deadpool so that we can have some real carnage. And a perfect symbiosis. Cletus and Carnage are usually a perfect symbiosis, so hopefully the MCU Cletus Kasady will have a perfect bond with Carnage.

[@theshow0024]

Not sure if this is true but isn’t there a comic where carnage stayed alive in venom and starts to take over Eddie Brock until they get carnage out and he goes back to Cletus Kassidy. And now that venom is in the MCU maybe he gets away from venom and then attach himself to the Cletus Kassidy of the MCU not the one that was killed in the venom verse.

[@jumpinjump8642]

that’d b cool

[@MTGPlayer10]

I know Carnage is bad but..they did him dirty. In the comics Carnage was way too strong for Venom to beat..hell..he was way too strong for Spiderman to beat. They had to team up to beat Carnage..the fact that they (according to Joe) actually killed Carnage...I mean...essh..thats bad. Make ANY Venom movie rated-R. It just doesn't work otherwise.

[@BabushkaTwerking]

You do know that carnage is stronger than venom and spiderman combined

[@MTGPlayer10]

@@BabushkaTwerking Yes. I did follow a comic book fan on KZbin for a while and thats why I said what I said in my comment. Carnage is wayyyy stronger.

[@BabushkaTwerking]

@@MTGPlayer10 gewd😌

[@dwighthalpert8364]

Welp. They killed Carnage. I’m not interested

[@jonmoreno2396]

I thought it’s when Loki set the timeline free

[@nellyp2622]

There were some glaring issues with the movie. One that really stands out is when Shriek is at Eddie’s place and sees a photo of Anne she wants to capture her as bait and very next scene she does. How did she know where to find her so quickly? She did not personally know who she was or where she lives but within minutes she had found her.

[@joshburns969]

The apartment number was in the background.

[@Nick-fc4wu]

They should've done what they did with "Logan" a rated R movie and it was fantastic because it captured the full potential of Wolverine and his daughter and what they're we're capable of.

[@TheConker117]

Couldn’t have said it any better

[@Dylankeddie]

That movie was a masterpiece

[@patricioperez7323]

Yeah I thought the same thing Logan was a badass movie and it’s just what the wolverine fans ordered, carnage is a slasher/maniac) how is it that he didn’t brutally kill his victims like the comics?

[@Icethebb]

Logan is was and will always be goated

[@WorldzMo5t3pic]

The PG rating is _really_ handicapping the Venom movies potential. As we all said it would.

[@steellegion1490]

It's not PG

[@shaletotin2413]

Pat mulligan the cop in the movie is the host for toxin which I believe is carnage’s spawn.

[@HannyS_]

Well originally Venom can reproduce anytime he wants and he does not need anything... So I think they handled this one pretty good... Would be pretty dumb if he made offspring intentionally for Cletus since he is an anti-hero in these movies not an actual villain (yet) as he is in the comics.... Its pretty hard to think of different way how to create carnage when brock is not in the prison with Cletus as a prisoner....

[@caleblecrow2207]

Carnage can completely reconstruct from a single drop of blood, so hopefully someone in the MCU can do something more with him

[@tomascasterwell2279]

This isn’t MCU that’s what you people get wrong

[@caleblecrow2207]

@@tomascasterwell2279 you must not have seen the end credit scene

[@What.99]

@@caleblecrow2207 No, technically he’s right. Venom 2 wasn’t made by people running the MCU and Venom wasn’t in the MCU until that post-credit scene. After Venom 2, Venom is definitely in the same universe as Tom Holland’s Spider-Man, but he’s not technically in the MCU unless they acknowledge Venom in some way. Morbius has already been established as being in the same universe as well, but you can bet your ass Kevin Feige isn’t acknowledging Morbius in the MCU lol.

[@jlev1028]

The MCU isn't the comics. They regularly nerf overpowered characters to not make them boring.

[@caleblecrow2207]

@@What.99 you realize all I said was they have a solid foundation to bring Carnage if they want to right? Like they can say he's still alive in the Venom universe then pull him in like they already did for venom. Idk why that was hard to understand

[@lowkeyfox5340]

Double uploads, let's go!

[@rudra7615]

This explains why the Spiderman trailer had like a silhouette shot of Venom. Similar to others, he has been "zapped" into the MCU universe due to Dr Strange's spell.

[@BlackHedgehog]

Already said how I feel in the other segment of the review but I think the Sony-Marvel sharing agreement is simply folding Sony's characters into the MCU. Which then goes on to explain the Morbius-Vulture scene (which might I add was not in the Morbius trailer ahead of the Venom 2 movie here in the UK).