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[@dgdt8089]

Honestly think that tease with riddler knowing he's Bruce, will be what makes Bruce realize he has to become a public persona to throw people off his tail.

[@VastoFlo13]

This!!!!!!

[@42Mrgreenman]

I think the better dynamic would be that the Riddler actually DOES know who Batman is but uses the info as part of his mind games, I forgot whether it was the Riddler or Batman who said, "What's the fun in a riddle, if everyone knows the solution?" and I think at some point the Riddler also said something like, "I don't care who is under the mask, Batman is the true persona." referencing the Oscar Wilde quote, "Man is least himself when he speaks in his own person. Give him a mask and he'll tell you the truth."

[@shadowpup3016]

I think it’s the riddler for the first one but it’s joker for the second one

[@jase276]

Great idea

[@RebornRider03]

Yessss. The sequel will be amazing like phenomenal. I can’t for Bruce’s character development to progress

[@ZinalaG59]

Anyone else notice when Gordon and Batman interrogate Penguin and leave him hand cuffed and his feet he walks away like an actual Penguin 🤣

[@kapitanuran]

Yeah, I actually laughed so hard in the cinema when I saw it. Joker-like laughter 🤣

[@auxmir1730]

@@kapitanuran I would kms if I was in the same theater as u

[@donjr2]

Yup!

[@Haz3Nation]

Lmfao yEs!

[@SuperDenizen]

It was just a glimps but it was a a good one.

[@alexman378]

Riddler isn’t a physical threat, he’s not lying, the way he killed that guy in the beginning just shows that he’s willing to kill. It doesn’t take skill or particular strength to kill someone that way, had that guy seen him or resisted, and it could’ve turned differently.

[@ganondorf66]

@mysticstrider Just think of him as proto Riddler He hasn't embraced the weird quite yet

[@StephenAlanChandler]

@mysticstrider The comic book riddler looks like a theatrical drag queen straight out of Ru Paul’s drag race. I’ll stick with the zodiac killer look any day but that’s just me

[@KalomikaArts]

Riddler wasn't a threat at all. Gotham is just full of idiots

[@christopherbarham4402]

@@StephenAlanChandler amen. Serial killer riddler is amazing

[@A_YouTube_Commenter]

@@StephenAlanChandler This Riddler is terrifying. That old school one was goofy.

[@SoldierSpiderx]

Pattinson’s acting when he thought the riddler found out his identity was so good. He looked so scared that his identity was found out, and then you see his facial expression change so fast when he realizes riddler doesn’t know.

[@twiceshy9773]

And he looked do repulsed and so disappointed that his personas as both Batman AND Bruce Wayne were misunderstood- and that was kinda his OWN fault cos dude needs therapy lol, all the orphans did...the Riddler being the Anti-Bruce Wayne/orphan was awesome, and of COURSE all the badguys would adopt him as their own cos he was still in his angsty angry emo phase- best Batman characterisation ever!! And it's nice Riddler found a real friend at the end lol

[@JeromeSankara]

His whole: "You're a good cop" just hurt me deep, him just thinking he will never be able to face Gordon after all this and immediately having to accept that he's done. Best underrated part in my opinion.

[@heroicsquirrel3195]

You commented this exact thing on another review video, are you some bot

[@brontosa5351]

Wait, Riddler doesn't know he's Batman? I didn't get that at all, also it turned irrelevant because he wanted to flood the city for whatever reason...also he killed Falcone for whatever reason...and Penguin so stupid he pulled a gun on Falcone in public....and catwoman lol ....to be honest, without Pattinson and his acting this movie isn't even 4/10.

[@heroicsquirrel3195]

@@brontosa5351 you’ve made no real points, just spewed nonsense and said the films 4/10 simmer down lad😂

[@lightyagami8377]

A common criticism I hear is a "grungey" Batman. People tend to forget it's a Batman two years into his career and in multiple comic and video game references, Batman's mental stability was often called into question how much of his trauma really affected him that the film explored in Pattinson's role. Christain Bale represented an "unrelenting force" type of character, Pattison represented a "damaged man who persists".

[@trav9210]

Funny enough when he's checking out the first crime scene it was the first time ever seeing a live action Batman that I totally believed was just some dude crazy enough to dress up like that and go beat the shit out of people. Plus the stuff with Martha's past just helps add that extra layer that he's not all there.

[@ydsmusic9997]

@@trav9210 you spoke my mind!

[@brazmann9571]

Yeah, I don't even get how that's a criticism, we got something different here and it was very well done. Pattinson is definitely a Batman that's not as refined mentally or even as well-trained as Christian Bale's who was trained by the most elite and deadly people on the planet. Pattinson was a strong fighter, but definitely took a lot of blows when fighting even just a handful of mobsters. When Bale became Batman, he was pretty much complete as a character, or at least in his goals and vision of how he wanted to make a difference in Gotham. Pattinson was not, he was a slab of anger and resentment who wanted to instill fear while inspiring the people of Gotham was a complete afterthought.

[@KoolKeithProductions]

@@brazmann9571 I didn't have a problem with his Batman. I had a problem with his Bruce Wayne, and it's because his Bruce Wayne WAS his Batman. As Bats, he mopes around with his head down. As Bruce he...mopes around with his head down. See a problem? Batman doesn't wear the mask. BRUCE wears the mask, because Batman is who he really is. If there's no distinction at all between the two, then it really makes no sense why ppl wouldn't figure him out really quickly. I wasn't a fan of the Nolan Batman, but LOVED the Bruce Wayne in them for that very reason.

[@SteekSty]

@@KoolKeithProductions fair enough but i feel like the sigma chad wayne persona has aleady been explored. this portrayal gives room for us to see HOW he can develop the bruce wayne mask. and ur right it does show in this movie that bruce basically is batman but that just means that when he does create the rich boy persona we as the audience will be even more aware that his real identity is being batman and bruce is the mask.

[@billypluto4729]

Selina being a falcone is actually cannon to the long Halloween which is the story this is based off of

[@carmichaelsnider78]

Yeah, it also uses year zero as well especially with the flooding at the end.

[@ethan-scott]

Not sure how Joe missed this.

[@Berserk2099]

@@carmichaelsnider78 I noticed that too!

[@hozza9901]

ohhhh i was trying to find what comic it was based off. at first i thought it was hush with the gimp mask but then riddler told everyone his bad guy name so it didnt make sense.

[@Haz3Nation]

@Male Sensitivity nah

[@mrcritical6751]

Honestly seeing Bruce turn from a symbol of vengeance to a symbol of hope was awe inspiring

[@roni2971]

That shot of him kneeling with the coast guard getting the girl on the medical bed will stay with me forever 😭😭😭

[@mrcritical6751]

Seeing him slowly realise as the film goes along that this was all his fault because he was being violent and vengeful, giving the people who were stepped on the wrong message was actually very interesting. Especially when he sees that his “I’m vengeance” rhetoric turned that one guy into an attempted murderer

[@yestoES355]

I agree I think I forgot that it’s year 2 Batman multiple times. This film needs to be first if it plans be have a sequel or be part of a trilogy. I really liked this film but I didn’t love it as I thought I would. Towards the end you get that symbolic symbol of hope that Batman is known for. Knowing that in the beginning, this is not the Batman most people are used to. I’m all for them taking their time in developing a Batman from the ground up to the hero he’s seen as later on.

[@ethan-scott]

@@mrcritical6751 I see what you’re saying and I think it’s a good analysis, but I’m just not feeling the…**resonance** of that character progression. I liked where we ended up (symbol of hope) but I was a little confused as to how we got there.

[@mrcritical6751]

@@ethan-scott it was a slow burn of Bruce seeing how others saw him and others took his message and realising the flaws in it. In the beginning he’s content with civilians being afraid of him as long as the criminals are near beaten to death and justice is served. But then he sees the negative effects of it all how his focus on vengeance almost gets Selena killed and made her try to murder two men, how it make Riddler think the only way to make change was through blood and how that allowed Riddler to install that ideology into others like him. He realised he’s part of the problem and that is made extra clear to him when he sees the guy from the funeral at the end say “I’m vengeance” then sees the innocent people suffering. He sees that he caused it all and created this ideology that vengeance and violence is the only way to make change and turned innocent people into monsters

[@JeffreySmiles_]

That whole bit with the "el" and "la" moment with the Penguin, Commissioner, and Batman made me realize how young, fresh and new this Batman still was. I was bought in at that moment. He felt genuine.

[@Lang7]

“Fresh” is one way of putting it, “an idiot” is another. I personally despised how frequently they made Batman look incompetent.

[@MessyGamer616]

@@Lang7 They just as frequently showed him as highly competent and quick thinking. Almost EVERY single time the Riddler threw out a direct riddle to anyone in the movie with batman around he could solve it almost before it was finished. He took in bits of his surroundings and used it to his advantage in his fights, he plans ahead and disorients and scares criminals to gain an edge. We see him puzzle out things nobody else in the film is able to like that cipher having everything already, etc etc. The thing is, in this movie batman isn't an omniscient god like some fans expect him to be, so he still makes mistakes. He's new, he doesn't have his complete training. For someone who isn't fluent in a language, making a quick mistake and not noticing it immediately isn't "incompetence", its to be expected.

[@versacedylanblue2367]

@@Lang7 he literally doesn’t speak Spanish at all and the whole movie displayed his intelligence I don’t think you watched the same film

[@js-ny2ru]

Fanny thing is that Pattison in this movie is older then Bale when he first play Batman.

[@killer25014]

@@MessyGamer616 I think people, and understandably so, have gotten too used to Batman being more superhuman than most superhumans to remember that there was indeed a brief period of time in the Batman's personal history where he fucked up every now and again - mainly because he was still new to being a vigilante. He was still "fresh". I appreciate the fact he makes mistakes in this (as humans are wont to do), because it means we get to see this Batman develop over the course of his movies into becoming the legend that we recognize as *The Batman*.

[@kevtiz03]

It was good to see Batman at crime scenes figuring out what’s going on. In the other movies it seemed like he would just go to his computer and have it spit out answers

[@reyproduction4988]

And making rookie mistakes when veteran batman won't do. It's great to see the reality of a young batman

[@marcus5175]

I do agree seeing Batman at crime scenes doing some Sherlock Holmes stuff is awesome but he still did use his computer to spit out answers for him. (Scanned the cipher for the riddles with his eyes and used computer to produce the answer.) But as I said, I do agree with you.

[@ironcladnomad5639]

I loved how they established his meticulous nature. Recording his interactions via the lenses and then playing them back. Keeping a verbatim journal.

[@bengough6772]

Lol in TDK he's in the bank for about 30 seconds then dosappears lol then knows what going on and plans a China heist all on his own lol I love TDK but I really love detective batman actually trying hard to figure things out

[@MicrodosingMilk]

Yeah his bat computer was op

[@NICE-EYES]

I want more of these movies. I’m pretty much done with the marvel style superhero stuff. Give me a series of movies with this Batman throughout his career. Spanning a whole host of badass villains, flushing out this Gotham even more.

[@julianfinley9458]

Yea this was a breath of fresh air i love marvel stuff but its the same jokes over and over

[@3guys1girlandfetus]

Fuck I hate having jokes every 2 minutes

[@neitherrealms3862]

Please no. We already have a Gotham TV show.

[@DrewskiGames24]

Same here

[@Clyne69]

Dude honestly just makes like 10 more of these movies with different villains. I think it’ll be better than trying to tie in a justice league.

[@nuffsaidny]

The Riddler living across the street from the club the entire time was a crazy reveal. Also the fact that Riddler sent a bomb for Bruce Wayne with a fireproof postcard to Batman showed that he didn’t know that they were the same person.

[@phillyphilly_lii6441]

Made sense since that’s how he knew what everyone was up to

[@jannclaudebinoya]

Maybe that's why he's got tons of notes

[@realBatman-89]

Best place to hide is in plain sight

[@justinhill6265]

definitely agree. Him living across from the club was wild. But good!

[@chrisretzlaff2895]

That was the worst part, all the pictures riddler took was from his apartment, let's figure out a Cypher but not look at the building the pictures were taken. To many plot conveniences, made Batman and Gordon look dumb as detectives, and Bruce automatically jumping down Alfred's neck when he wakes up on the hospital because what Falcone says was ridiculous. If there was ever a movie Alex would say treats the audience stupid, it should have been this one. They have to fully explain everything, an hour of this movie was just monologs and slow cameras. If I was Finch I would be pissed that the detective story in this movie is compared to Seven.

[@WahajDrifter5598]

Joe - Selina Kyle is the daughter of Falcone in Batman: Long Halloween. That entire arc is straight out of Long Halloween, I'm sure you've heard of that excellent comicbook. They didn't make it up.

[@timlyons3420]

Yea this is LITERALLY the first time I've heard people not like Catwoman in the movie. I thought Zoe and her story was great

[@jal576]

@@timlyons3420 well we’re talking about a guy who saw man of steel a dozen times

[@jase276]

@@timlyons3420 I wasn't a fan of Catwoman either, especially the romance they tried to force in

[@isavax3]

@@timlyons3420 yea ajs is sick, but sometimes they say retarded shit which makes no sense, or they make statements which r factually wrong with supreme confidence

[@randomrecipes5007]

@@jal576 Man of Steel is an incredible film imo... Why are you acting widely known to be bad? Majority of people like it. Are you one of those people who think Superman should perfect, and nothing bad in the world ever happens lol? I'd love to know why you think it's a horrible film that should never be watched... If we want to use peoples opinions like you did... Chris Nolan (writer/diretor of TDK trilogy, Inception, Interstellar, The Prestige, etc) disagrees with you, he helped write, and produce, and said he loved it. I guess you know film better than him... Max Landis hated it, I guess his writing, and opinion is akin to your liking lol.. -Cavills amazing, Shannons amazing, the intro is amazing, the incredible score from Zimmer, the heart the film has, the visuals, etc.. on those bits alone it's a good movie. I have nit picks myself, and I don't always agree with Joe.. but it's up there as one of the best comic book films in my opinion... I'd hate to assume, but fanboys who think it's horrible think so for 2 main reasons... 1. People dying with Metropolis getting leveled badly 2. Superman killing Zod. If you think an experienced, veteran, Kryptonian war general, and his Kryptonian soldiers wouldn't mess up Metropolis, and kill some people against an unexperienced, young, lone Kryptonian kid... than that's insane, and illogical imo.. if you think Superman if put in a situation choosing a family dying, or killing Zod wouldn't choose to kill Zod than that's insane, and illogical imo... I love that stuff, I love how Snyder was willing to make a realistic version of Superman, and put him in situations no one was willing to do. Pretentious Superman fans just want Superman saving a kitten from a tree, smiling, and being perfect. Which is boring. Now I want to pop on MoS on 4k UHD, and blast the surround sound lol. Thanks! Sorry for the long comment, just had coffee, woke up early, bored waiting for wifey to wake up... Understandable if you didn't read it all lol. Also I just really love debating film lol..

[@isaiahc2994]

I'm sure someone's already said this but Pattinson has stated that he wants to do court of owls for the sequel. I'd love to see a scarecrow done in this universe, I think they could go super dark and creepy with it, make it a horror.

[@evilgraycat]

I think Court of Owls would be a good trilogy ender. Scarecrow would be a good second movie villain tho

[@jase276]

Smart man, I don't believe we've ever seen Court of Owls in the live action films and they'd be a great fit for this atmosphere. Not to mention it'd pair together nicely with the new Arkham Knights game that will have the Court of Owls, too.

[@jktwiceft]

It really seems like No Man’s Land is where the story is headed for now. I wonder how they’ll tie Court of Owls in

[@Ye_Is_The_Way]

Make it rated R

[@LadyDecember]

@@jktwiceft No Man's Land is my favorite Batman story/arc of all time, I was hoping so hard that the flooding was a precursor to introducing it.

[@edge929]

I loved all the little things that showed it was only a year 2 Batman. He took many hits, some nearly killing him, didn't figure out some clues right away, gadgets were in early stages, batmobile was something many people could build in their garage, etc. This wasn't the infallible, no-mistakes Batman we generally think of.

[@Lang7]

You don’t need 2 years of experience to know that running into a half a dozen henchmen with SMGs is a bad idea. This film made Batman look incompetent, in more ways than one, far too frequently.

[@MessyGamer616]

@@Lang7 Keep hating. Maybe one day you'll figure out that having batman being omniscient in his early career isn't sensible. He's brash and confident, but ultimately he ends up succeeding through his willpower, grit, and tech.

[@crypticbait]

I feel when they introduce Fox, probably in the second movie, he’ll get better gear then in the third get a Tumbler-like bat mobile with Tank like features if they possibly just free all the Arkham Inmates

[@austinsavage]

@@MessyGamer616 he s not hating; he’s just pointing out how dumb Batman and the bad guys are for these dumb shooting scenes, and sheep like you for defending them. Just because we like a movie/character doesnt mean we shouldnt call out the BS. The movie s ‘good’ but vastly overrated SMH with all these fanboys

[@zefwyn6793]

And he wasn’t just eating those hits either. You hear him grunt and yell in agony at some parts. So awesome

[@hamishpicken7797]

Court of owls would litterally be perfect in this style of batman film.

[@josephserenson166]

When Selena first goes to the underground club and they showed the people at the table doing the drugs things it reminded me of the court of owls for some reason and was like oh shit are they adding that into this movie too?? Would definitely be nice to see in this style move

[@mrcsr8582]

@@josephserenson166 fr too bad they going to joker like they always do

[@henrychinaski5938]

@@mrcsr8582 why wouldn't they ? Joker is Batmans best villain.

[@Bayard1503]

They would fit in this Gotham but I really really don't want to see something like that... I don't think it really worked either in the comics or even in that Gotham show. Huge conspiracies like that spanning decades, centuries are the problem... they don't feel that realistic.

[@bengough6772]

@@henrychinaski5938 done too many times recently and , arguably, there are 4 good jokers in the last 35 years. Let him rest for a bit. His other villains can bring such interesting stuff to the table

[@BenyaminLorit]

He needed Selina to be his eyes in "the Club under the Club." He was only able to get through the main club (and then later, the penthouse) but he was never able to get into the underground club himself where all the important people hung out that he sent Selina to. It was clearly communicated in the film. And Selina being the daughter of Falcone has been done before in The Long Halloween. It's not something they just made up for this.

[@reffa2858]

Yeah, Its really all part of batman being new. He knew about the club, but he didnt know about the club within the club.

[@mlear559]

Agreed, I'm pretty sure Reeves had said that this was based on The Long Halloween, so it's consistent that Selina is Falcone's daughter.

[@dragonnight4727]

Thank you someone with common sense

[@joyis9638]

Thank you! The boys are feeling threatened that this version of Batman might be even better than than Nolan's.

[@dragonnight4727]

@@joyis9638 EXAAAAAACTLY!!!

[@reidpitoscia7152]

Just want to say in defense of the bomb sent to Batman’s house. Falcone says in the film that Bruce Wayne is a bigger recluse than even him and it’s said that he never leaves the club and Bruce is damn near impossible to track so that was probably his only real option

[@hampuskarrlander7492]

Exactly, but it's typical of these hombres to miss plot points actually being connected

[@aimanmarzuqi4804]

That's what I thought too

[@draven210]

I hope they see this

[@myculdavis4718]

And wasn't the intent more so to get Bruce's attention? He had a clue attached to the bomb, he must have known he can only read it if he's like you know... not in a million pieces.

[@mcruz4571]

We saw the riddler sneak in and out of buildings, he even ran away from Batman.....and could not enter a house protected by 2 elderly Alfred and and granny ...reallyy.

[@Shmotivated]

Solid Batman flick. The Batmobile reveal had to be my favorite part. The sound of the engine shook the theater and it was fuckin awesome.

[@braindeadgaming273]

Good scene everything else sucked tho

[@CoolSmoovie]

I like how after he got in the Batmobile and patiently waiting for the Gangster to get into the car so he could chase them. Very nice of him

[@rohanking12able]

@@braindeadgaming273 pretty much

[@alexsilva28]

@@CoolSmoovie lol ikr? Like he wanted to test the engine or something

[@apollosinner]

@@alexsilva28 lmao, I watched it twice and he wasn’t waiting. The engine actually stalls before he gets going.

[@jonahjimenez7602]

In regards to Batman’s entrance at Gotham Square Garden, he makes “grand entrances” so the bad guys shift their focus on him and stop shooting at the civilians

[@christiandauz3742]

Uvalde kids wished Batman did that

[@sparingpickle4918]

@@christiandauz3742 I’m sorry your parents never loved you.

[@mrmxyzptlk8906]

@@SuperFlawless2010Batman and superhero’s have done that since the beginning… it’s suspension of disbelief dude.

[@mrmxyzptlk8906]

@@SuperFlawless2010 good one kid. That’s more intelligent than your laughable criticism tho💀

[@mrmxyzptlk8906]

@@SuperFlawless2010 uh huh

[@innik2642]

I wish that we didn’t get so many spin-offs for popular movies. Honestly they need to let the movies speak for themselves, they do enough world building on their own.

[@warrenmason1582]

Idk if they can get the right writers and directors then it can be good.

[@Montesama314]

If you need to read the book to understand the game/movie, then you failed to create an actual plot. Lore isn't plot.

[@aknight7252]

They didn't change Selina being falcone's daughter, she's his daughter in the long halloween comic.

[@Nikoolayy1]

@@brandonchutt312 You, as you are writting comments :)

[@jackj9816]

And in the Arkham universe

[@FellOff]

@@brandonchutt312 “who cares 🤓”

[@anthonycarlisle6184]

There's various origin stories for most characters

[@djnewjam2802]

In the Batman telltale series it was revealed that The Waynes were actually the baddest Gangstas in Gotham…they had the biggest influence. I love when they twist the Wayne Story like that it makes it awesome. And adds to the darkness of Gotham.

[@42Mrgreenman]

Yeah, that always seemed out of place to me...What are these squeaky clean paragons of right doing in a city like Gotham? It has to be a front...Even if the Wayne's were paragons...if every entity you are dealing with in the city you live in are corrupt...that corruption will inevitably infect you if you actually try to change things through traditional business/political means...maybe I should go back and play the telltale games...

[@Shocknfunk]

@@42Mrgreenman they are great, one of the better Batman stories out there. The whole new approach of joker in season two was also fun.

[@Jose-se9pu]

Joker did the same with Thomas. I like it, but I like it because is not the norm. I hope they dont turn this into the norm.

[@kaynine9]

It makes you realize there is no such thing as pure good or pure evil. Nothing is truly black or white, just different shades of grey. Even Batman himself is a little muddy because he is still essentially breaking the law to serve justice as a vigilante

[@jlev1028]

@@kaynine9 I'm guessing you're forgetting that irredeemable sociopaths and psychopaths exist or that people like MLK are true paragons.

[@jarrettof93]

I think the reason he didn’t do a more “personal” approach to Bruce Wayne is because of his reclusive nature potentially. And just assumes “well he’ll get his mail.”

[@ryanmckm7368]

I love the juxtaposition of Batman's interaction with civilians from the beginning and the end; in the beginning the man he saves is absolutely terrified of him, asking Batman "please don't hurt me". But at the end as he's carrying the woman to the airlift she's holding onto him as if to say "I feel safe with you"

[@coc8648]

Marvel >>> DC

[@erccool]

Falcone was a really pleasant surprise it's probably my favorite version of Falcone in live action. He actually feels like a major player in this universe instead of just being used as a stepping stone by Bruce to become the Batman.

[@smwhtunknown]

I believe the “Hey, don’t I know you?” Guy at the funeral when Bruce walks in is Joe Chill. Ironically Batman almost killed him at the end. He would've avenged his parents and probably never would've known.

[@kanon951]

Wait. He is the guy he almost punches to death? I didn't notice since his face was all messed up after the beating?

[@smwhtunknown]

@@kanon951 yup! That’s him!

[@SubZero-hs9xc]

I think hè said that just because you know Bruce Wayne is famous

[@JoeGrizz1y]

I think he only mailed a bomb to Bruce knowing he is a recluse who doesn’t come outside often. Knowing him as another orphan and that detail above was why he went more simple. A hidden bomb mailed that could make its way in the building. All the other characters were captured as they walk around the slums and the club with the riddle waiting outside for them.

[@AHighManBerPig]

I love how OJ is so out spoken on these Batman videos. He doesn't talk much but like he just can't help himself here and I love it. :)

[@Skater6453]

Yup it’s always nice to see how much he opens up when Batman is involved.

[@adampanter2947]

Minor spoiler: Didn't Riddler say he had no interest in finding out who batman is because, like himself, the only thing that matters is the mask, their true self? I find it weird people criticize that Riddler didn't find out who batman is when the film literally explains why.

[@emcee6915]

I just rolled my eyes when they brought the joker in at the end. We have seen so many joker adaptations already we don’t need another one any time soon

[@julianfinley9458]

I think they’re world building plus i think with this joker hes gonna be more manipulative and use others to get his way much like the joker from arkham city

[@benwarren1697]

I agree. It took away from Riddlers story and imo, I honestly don't like the interpretation they're teasing

[@Watergunz479]

Joker? I thought that was two faces

[@thearmyofgreatness]

Could be cool (never happening) if this joker is a copy cat of the Phoenix joker

[@subzero308]

without the joker Batman is just a boring overrated character.

[@acheman8836]

To be fair, Selina being Falcone's daughter is from the Long Halloween graphic novel.

[@dws0828]

Yeah I guess because the writers used slight subtlety with that part of the story with Falcone and Selena a lot of fans never noticed. Says a lot about people who just say “I love Long Halloween” when they haven’t actually even tried to appreciate the story past the initial time they interacted with it

[@adachezero]

I really liked how the film had both the detective chasing a serial killer + dealing with corruption/mafia and still gave us a big villain plot with the bombs across the city flooding it + assassination attempt for Batman to deal with for the finale. Kinda like an old Bond film, they start off with smallish incidents that lead into "Taking over the world" schemes.

[@ompatel8988]

I just wished they set up the third act properly.

[@ElRigs83]

The third act kinda did fall apart

[@tjjordan4207]

Except, there was no taking over the world, it was more about taking down the corrupt who already rule the world.

[@randomrecipes5007]

I kind of wish they hid the city blowing up, being flooded, and the assignation attempt from the trailers.. they have to show the big action moments to get people to go see it who just want BIG THRILLS!!!! which ruins the experience... Going into this not knowing what to expect, and seeing the ending would have been incredible.. but I know it's going to end up at that point, and it spoils the initial first experience, which is the most important viewing... the first time.

[@robertruiz3131]

@@randomrecipes5007 I didn't look at anything after the 2021 trailer. You're right it was an incredible twist when I thought the movie was wrapped up and then Boom

[@diavalazrael2389]

There's a prequel book for the movie where it went through Bruce and Riddler's life/origins. Alfred was actually an agent for secret intelligence and Bruce went around the world in the best schools in majors like chemistry, etc. He also learned all the martial arts from those different areas of the world with additional training from Alfred's experience, which he did to help Bruce defend himself.

[@BowmansWorld]

U shouldnt have to read a shitty book

[@rystan14]

@@BowmansWorld hilarious dude

[@phillyphilly_lii6441]

Which makes me hate how he treated Alfred even more. God that was the only stupid parts of the movie is how disrespectful he is to Alfred. Absolutely hated it that and hated how Alfred just rolls his eyes with acceptance about it

[@diavalazrael2389]

@@BowmansWorld Wouldn't call it shitty. I'm also not a fan of having content explained outside the movie itself, but you really won't miss much if you pass on it.

[@diavalazrael2389]

@@phillyphilly_lii6441 Man I love Alfred but Matt Reeves did describe this Batman to be young and vengeful so I thought it at least made sense that Bruce would take him for granted. I do think the scene where Alfred told the truth about Thomas Wayne was really touching and well-done.

[@t0talimm0rtalz]

This was without question the best and most accurate Batman film to date. No other movie has captured the nature of his character or the world he lives in so well. Well done. 10/10

[@Roni24mamba]

Batman saying I need to be hope and not vengeance is comic accurate? I like that we get a detective batman but he also never outsmarts the Riddler and he doesn't mange to save the city from being flooded....

[@petah3930]

@@Roni24mamba yes. batman fails plenty of times in the comics and gets outsmarted but eventually in the end he overcomes it.

[@Roni24mamba]

@@petah3930 No. Riddler gives himself up, batman did not beat him, he did not stop the city from getting flooded, he only beats a bunch of goons to save the new mayor I did not care for

[@t0talimm0rtalz]

@@Roni24mamba well you suck then. It was fantastic. Felt like Batman. The tones and the moods, Batman. The flood didn’t matter, the Riddler’s plan failed in the end and Batman also was a rookie. You missed the point and that’s on you

[@Streggae9961]

In defense of Selina Kyle the origin of her being Falcone's daughter is comic's accurate in some certain iterations and I think her presence made sense in the movie. The club was part of her childhood, Falcone owns it and she worked there in order to get enough information so she could rip him off because she felt owed for him not taking responsibility for her when her mother died. The whole 'justice for her friend bit' I feel was again, partially an excuse to get back at Falcone. At least that was the excuse until that scene where she heard the recording of her friend's death. Earlier in the movie she explained that her mother was strangled to death and in the recording Falcone strangled her friend. If you look at that scene again Gordon flat out says "He's strangling her" and you can actually see when she connected the dots. At that point it wasn't about getting justice for her friend anymore but vengeance for her mother. In fact when when she had Falcone at gunpoint she even said "this is for my mother."

[@gunsmokeandghouls]

That's fine but I felt the actor was weak and there was no chemistry. She was plot furniture.

[@matthewrichards4078]

11:00 But selena IS the daughter of a mob boss, AND one of her best stints in the comics is with taking him down. Carmine Falcone she's the daughter of in canon through an affair, AND he loves her to death but hates Catwoman lol. getting help from Gordon's top guy, and some of the bat family though she didn't know who they were until with Batman at the punch line. . . Damn Joe n OJ 0-o I thought you knew Batman almost as well as Supes o-0

[@WelcometoTheDollars]

It's common knowledge I guess joe didn't read the long holloween and dark Victory.

[@bowserbrowser6559]

AJ claims to be a fan of everything, its super fucking cringe and he's pretty fucking stupid to do so. Pretty sure he is just a "fan" of superman to be a contrarian.

[@MaestroDrake]

I have all three Loeb/Sale stories. It's like Jeph was purposely creating The Godfather trilogy quality wise with the Catwoman story being the least popular.

[@dws0828]

Catwoman being his daughter makes her clawing his face up to frame Batman in ‘Year One’ even more interesting. It really was an awesome way for Long Halloween to add on to that Frank Miller story and make it somewhat canon. Even in this movie, Falcone had the scar on his cheek even before Selena clawed him in this movie, making you wonder if Year One will be canon more or less eventually within these movies

[@jase276]

@@WelcometoTheDollars He doesn't even need to read it, there's an animated special for the Long Halloween. Well, we already know AJ doesn't like anything over 2 hours in one sitting so I guess that explains that

[@andrewhills9049]

People seem to sometimes forget that batman is a detective first and foremost

[@rohanking12able]

So does the movie

[@dr.naysayer1954]

What detective stuff does he really do though? Other than instantly know the answer to some riddles?

[@Darduel]

well the movie kinda forgets about it too after the first act.. he investigates some stuff (along with alfred) and then the movie takes off and he just answers riddles really fast and basically eats the riddler bait every time

[@sakuragi1062]

He doesn’t do much detective in the movie to be honest almost just answering riddles he kinda miss the clues multiple times

[@Axel-ye8tt]

@@Darduel he chasing suspects he goes back to the crime scene to investigate

[@cozyweatherfilms]

I am excited for the rumored Hush sequel, I want them to delve more into his dark stories and explore his mental state.

[@famousthaneus9810]

Reeves has said he wants to bring in Freeze, and Pattinson has apparently voiced some hope for Court of Owls. If I had to guess, we'll get Freeze in 2, and the Court in 3 (which could *possibly* allow for them to reasonably utilize Joker & Hush at the same time...maybe)

[@eli_da_man_]

I loved the scene where he injected himself with pure adrenaline. That was SO BADASS. I don't believe it was Venom personally though, while seeing Bane in this universe would be cool I want to see more of the Villains that haven't got good live action renditions yet. I would love the next movie to be a supervillain team up of Joker, Scarecrow and Riddler

[@julianfinley9458]

Imagine the mad hatter that would be extremely cool

[@subzero308]

banes Venom was adrenaline until it was enhanced tho.

[@dr_cachetes6822]

Yeah, plus adrenaline is not green... you know what is green? I will give you a hint... it is the substance a villaim that starts with B and ends with ane uses. Riddle me that.

[@domenica3639]

I think a good argument about the point that Riddler's punishment for Bruce is very mild compared to the other victims is that, Riddler was able to monitor his victims in voyeur fashion - which greatly helps him plan out various ways of abducting/murdering them based on their behavioral patterns. Bruce Wayne on the other hand is completely absent and devoid of any public attention to the point where even Falcone commented when he saw Bruce: "Some event huh? Brought out the one guy in the city more reclusive than me."'. This would mean that Riddler will have basically zero strategy against an individual that is literally out of reach for him. So it goes to say in his desperation, a time bomb would be more effective since the chances of it being received by Bruce himself is high since in his mind, what else does Bruce Wayne do in his tower?

[@miket6828]

The riddler probably mailed a bomb because bruce wayne is reclusive in this and its impossible to find him in a vulnerable moment

[@Masculai1z]

Makes sense, but I feel like if the Riddler can casually invade a Mayor's home he would attempt to capture Bruce somehow

[@angelchang5194]

With Gotham flooded & seeing it's about to be winter. I really hope Mr.Freeze shows up in the sequel and we get a frozen version of Gotham 🤞

[@Robert1211995]

That would be amazing

[@Eisenwulf666]

That would be iceting, shaking with antICEpation just thinking about that. Now I'm all dis-Frost (distraught? Too much?)

[@meetbhatt7330]

“Time to kick some ICE!”

[@42Mrgreenman]

@@Eisenwulf666 Dude, chill...

[@MarioBario]

At the end when Selina and Bruce leave on their bikes, the streets were clear

[@Chessticular_Chancer]

I think the Mayor's son could potentially become Robin if we have a time jump between movies. The very first scene he's dressed as a red ninja twirling a sword, and he becomes an Orphan doesn't he.

[@HPLikecraft]

Yeah, that's where my mind went to when I saw the kid. I was like "that's Robin".

[@musicaddict7062]

That’s actually a great catch it makes so much sense for them to do that

[@DrewskiGames24]

My thoughts exactly

[@hatemongerofthetoxicbrood6561]

Not likely given based on the leals they will be doing the Death in the Family plot line. And I will have no one but my beloved Jason in that story.

[@dr_cachetes6822]

@@hatemongerofthetoxicbrood6561 I dont think you will have Jason, i think we will have mayor's son do Robin, even with DotF leaks, wether we like it or not. But i myself am open for that option, it might end up awesome.

[@mariosolis4337]

kinda makes me mad Joe complained about Selina being Falcones daughter when thats literally comic book accurate

[@GotoMaki4Micah]

the average movie goer or casual comic fan hasn't read 80 years worth of comics. they merely come to be entertained and this movie was boring.

[@Subject_Keter]

Personally i didnt like Long Halloween but even i knew what that was when i was younger and i hear some teachers nowaday have people read it.

[@Ninjamaster227-]

Ah…so I’m learning from these review videos. A LOT of people never read Dark Victory, and only read The Long Halloween. Selena being Falcone’s daughter isn’t a change it’s always been a thing in the comics.

[@beeochg4]

I loved it. A definite 9/10 for me. There were some slow parts and they felt drawn out for too long, but overall I was hooked and into it from the opening scene. Great cast of actors and I especially liked this new take on the riddler. Making him a bit like jigsaw and the zodiac killer. He was creepy and terrifying. Batman was cool too. A much darker and intense version of him. Looking forward to seeing how they develop his character over time and bring on his billionaire playboy persona so that ppl don’t connect him to Batman. Cause it was a close call wit the riddler, they made it seem like he figured out Batman’s identity as Bruce Wayne but didn’t.

[@espi371]

Riddler was cringe version of joker.

[@JoshPlaysGamez1996]

@@espi371 COMPLETELY different characters but okay. Lol

[@espi371]

@@JoshPlaysGamez1996 I know I guess the writers missed the memo.

[@JoshPlaysGamez1996]

@@espi371 Absolutely not. Riddler was easily the best part of the movie.

[@espi371]

@@JoshPlaysGamez1996 cringiest part of the movie I agree. Imagine having making Riddler into a 4chan user.

[@Kitbats]

Btw in regards to Batman's fighting experience, he was taught by Alfred, yes, but in the prequel book he also studied in different schools around the world. And in those places, he looked for ppl to train him.

[@randomrecipes5007]

Chris Nolan using the League of Shadows, and Ras Al Ghul, and showing the training makes Bales Batman more believable as a badass, ninja, who can mess people up, even if his action isn't half as good, the exposition is 10 times better than just telling us he trained around the world in some prequel comic no ones gonna read.. Also shows his determination to be something more than a man. Not showing, or saying anything in the movie, letting the audience ASSUME he trained somewhere is stupid imo... Batman Begins changed the game with showing us, and Affleck, and Pattinson are doing the same old, "He's ALREADY BATMAN! We don't have to show you! It's year 2!!!!" Dumb. Showing a flashback clip of him training in multiple places, by different masters, and learning from Alfred at a young age...while reminiscing, talking to Alfred in the cave about how they started this journey of vengeance, and justice would be so much better, than saying/showing nothing. Thought Jeffery Wright was cringe, and doesn't hold a flame to Gary Oldman, thought Serkis was the worst Alfred, and I hate Pattinsons EMO bully maguire Bruce Wayne, thank god he was barely Bruce in it.. Catwoman was meh as well... in my opinion of course.

[@Kitbats]

@@randomrecipes5007 All your points are valid. If you don't like the movie/parts if it it's completely understandable. I too had problems with the movie. I'd rate it a 7/10 using the AJ scale. If I weren't a Batman fan, 6.

[@austinsavage]

@@randomrecipes5007 finally someone speaking objective truth amidst all the fanboyism. I enjoyed the movie but it has some serious flaws, starting with the opening sequence: Bruce’s voiceover and the Bat signal establish that now criminals fear the Batman, yet when he appears the first thing the thug says is “what are you supposed to be?”, and i dont remember any scene where criminals actually fear him. LMAO the twin bouncers want to kick his ass when they see him. We dont get any glimpse of how the public perceives him beyond some newspaper headlines. FFS the newscaster calls him “the masked man” after the finale as if the GCPD hasnt been been publicly working with him to solve crimes ie their use of the giant bat signal and the Riddler calling him the Batman every chance he gets. That s some major inconsistencies there

[@Bob.sakamento]

@@randomrecipes5007 Topping the Nolan version with Liam Neeson is asking too much, probably

[@lilstupidahhboy5155]

@@randomrecipes5007 dont care this one fights better lol

[@avi9023]

This movie was a love letter to every real Batman fan. Bruce’s character development was phenomenal, the supporting characters were great, the tone was dark and gritty and the city felt truly like Gotham.

[@phillyphilly_lii6441]

“Real Batman fans” 🙄 I loved the movie but there are so many different iterations of Batman you could be the kind who likes the Batman that is so advanced he fights against gods and messes with green lantern rings or you can like this young and gritty kind. Just because you get more entertainment out of this version than the later version doesn’t make you REAL. Batman was never emo in public in the comics like he was in this movie and it works for him being psycho but is also makes him look stupid because if he keeps that up the whole city will know who Batman is in no time. Please stop with the gate keeping haha But yea, phenomenal movie.

[@carmichaelsnider78]

@@phillyphilly_lii6441 very nice comment and I agree with it fully.

[@manoz6194]

@@phillyphilly_lii6441 everyone knows the 1966 Batman that can boogy is the best Batman

[@acurisur]

@@phillyphilly_lii6441 Actually Bruce was Emo in the Zero Year storyline, so you haven't read every Batman comic. I think your response was unwarranted in the first place but there we go.

[@phillyphilly_lii6441]

@@manoz6194 well duhhhhh. Only the REAL Batman fans know that

[@RobertDanielParisi]

“I hit him with a rock… it was a big rock…” Almost Got Him. One of my favorite moments me from one of my favorite episodes 😂

[@simonrestrepo2754]

I think the critique of Catwoman being Carmine Falcone’s daughter is short sighted because in the comics In 1999 Batman: Dark Victory, she is in fact related to Falcone. So this wasn’t to give more weight to the character in the movie but it’s simply an original origin story.

[@adriandemce4833]

i don’t think joker will be in the next movie, i think they’re just fleshing out the world. he’ll probably be in the third movie

[@shadowslayer9988]

They should leave him out we have already had him in a lot of movies and TV shows let's give one of the other of batmans villains a chance.

[@1zxtv]

@@shadowslayer9988 I kind of agree but at the same time I love Barry Keoghan dudes talented I’d be interested to see his take on it , I heard somewhere though that Matt Reeves wants to try and bring in Mr. Freeze if he can get him right.

[@TheRAINMan059]

@@shadowslayer9988 agreed. I'd love to see a proper Mr Freeze (no offense to Arnold) although this new grounded universe might make that challenging.

[@Darknight-vr9ft]

I hope Pattinson is Batman for a looooooong long time I thought he was great and when he actually showed emotion as Bruce he looked the part! I would bet that next movie he’s more involved and doesn’t look so Kurt Cobain like, which was on purpose reeves talked about it a lot. I would also like to see the pay off of Selina and Bruce being together I thought they were great, their first scene when he’s holding her/covering her mouth was steamy

[@dannymcateer2377]

this comment about it was steamy.... is why movies are doomed

[@Darknight-vr9ft]

@@dannymcateer2377 movies are doomed but we just got an amazing Batman film from the cast acting their asses off, the story being great, cinematography amazing, and music outstanding. But we are doomed right.

[@timlyons3420]

She's actually portrayed as the daughter of Falcone a few times in the comics. That was comic book accurate.

[@festo8756]

In the new 52 that's no longer canon?

[@subzero308]

exactly I was wondering do they even read the comics lmao... I'm nowhere near a DC fan but this was the second best DC movie besides the Joker.

[@timlyons3420]

@@festo8756 Okay? So movies have to follow what's Canon at its current inception in order to be accurate? It can't follow past comic storylines that are still considered some of the best in the franchise?

[@festo8756]

@@timlyons3420 nothing from the nu52 was ever considered great.

[@timlyons3420]

@@festo8756 it's not from the new 52 bro. wtf are you talking about?? She was his daughter in The Long Halloween. written in the 90s. That's not New 52. Maybe you don't know comic accuracy as well

[@batmanstrike8287]

Honestly I think this movie was a 9/10, damn near perfect. There were so many scenes that just reminded me of comics like the Long Halloweenor Earth One. I just have one thing to say about the ending. Can we just forget about the joker for a minute? I love him but I feel like we've had too much of him recently, and this is the perfect series to delve into some of the other batman rogues.

[@kagenotatsumaki]

Agreed, you know it's bad when my reaction wasn't "Oh shit! Joker!" But rather "Yeah, of course they have to shove Joker in here somewhere..." lol

[@shadowslayer9988]

Exactly there are plenty of less popular batman villains that should get a chance in a batman movie.

[@YLS8763]

With how dark and gritty the film was, I was REALLY hoping to see a Professor Pyg in the sequel. Facing him in Arkham Knight was terrifying. Knowing what he does to his victims is even worse.

[@mami3790]

The fact that Martha was once committed to an asylum suddenly makes the whole "Bruce's death turns her into the Joker" part in Flashpoint make A LOT more sense.

[@TheBlueArmageddon]

This movie had a really great growth for Batman, as he learned that going around beating thugs wasnt going to fix Gotham, but rather fixing things with his huge fortune and the Wayne fund.

[@Mechanical-Animal]

I didn't get that at all beyond him just saying that towards the end. Right up to the end he's brutally beating bad guys.

[@thecooljohn100]

Yeah idk what movie you saw, definitely not the one I saw haha

[@warrenmason1582]

I think its more of Batman realizing he has to connect with the people and protect them instead of just randomly taking out crime.

[@WallEWorld]

John Wick was shot multiple times wearing only a "bulletproof" suit. I think I can believe The Batman's suit can handle a hundred bullets.

[@tren380]

My wife kids and I all loved this one. The car chase scene was absolutely epic.

[@Mr-117]

Really weird he decided to use that huge boost to wreck penguin only after penguin killed a ton of people in that tanker explosion on the highway. Big fat jet engine on a V8 on a rollcage with some armor panels getting outrun by a Mercedes. Lol drawn out for no reason, other than to "look" cool. Would have just preferred an intercept scene, where it just shows the car off hauling ass towards the highway to intercept penguin ambushing him and taking him out one hit totally unexpected with minimal causalities. Could have shown off the car more, made a more bad ass scene with engine noise, close up, tight clearance driving, etc and less bullshit driving into traffic killing everyone

[@jonbongjovi1869]

@@Mr-117 why is no one commending all these super-hero movies for FINALLY REVEALING COPS ARE INHERENT CRIMINALS (which was BLOCKED by the Comics Code Authority for 40 years!)? Google the Comics Code Authority! Amerikkka = Super-Nazi Germany!

[@thing8357]

@@jonbongjovi1869 Most the people who say the US is worse than living in Nazi Germany has never looked into what it was like. Auxiliary death squads murdered men, women, and children by beating them to death. The einstazgruppen would round up enemies of the Reich and execute them in mass graves and gas vans. Units like the dirlewanger brigade, a waffen SS penal unit made up of violent criminals and led by a sexual sadist committed crimes worse than most serial killers like bashing babies heads against walls and forcing people in barns then burning them alive. Children in concentration camps often alone had to eat their own feces on some occasions because of how hungry they were. Some reports from a Belgian army sapper in the wehrmact on what he saw the dirlewanger brigade do during the Warsaw uprising. "After the door of the building was blown off we saw a daycare-full of small children, around 500; all with small hands in the air. Even Dirlewanger's own people called him a butcher; he ordered to kill them all. The shots were fired, but he requested his men to save the ammo and finish them off with rifle-butts and bayonets. Blood and brain matter flowed in streams down the stairs." He also tells of the unit raping nurses and killing hospital patients. And much more. You live comfortably in a house, these people when through the worst things people can experience. There is no comparison and I say this as a victim of police brutality (beaten while in cuffs for a crime I did not commit and I was released shortly after explaining myself)

[@Mr-117]

@@jonbongjovi1869 because while it's good. The timing is off. Hating the cops is a trend almost rn. People don't need another reason to hate police. I get there is corruption but "all cops are racist" is "all black people are criminals"

[@jonbongjovi1869]

@@thing8357 EVERYTHING YOU DESCRIBE obviously PALES to the systemic rape / murder / robbery of native americans by murican "police". TRY AGAIN.

[@_GRAVYC4K3S_]

The hardest targets are Bruce Wayne and falcone mainly because they are both in the highest secured places. Falcone’s being the club and Bruce Wayne’s being Wayne tower. Falcone has to be brought out of the club to be killed hence bring the rat into the light quote and scene. And the only way to get to poster boy Bruce is through mail, because of the high security of Wayne tower, not to mention that after all these attacks it would only make sense that all the rich people in power would heighten there security.

[@dragonnight4727]

Okay catwoman looking out for here friend is actually important to her character 1 it shows she’s not just a piece of shit who cares only about money 2 that’s somethings that’s been explored before and focused on quite heavily in Batman year 1 so yeah I find it to be really freaking enjoyable

[@Rajonty]

I agree, they’re doing Joker too soon. We just had two incarnations of him very recently. Also, tbh this Joker tease was on some CW type level. The makeup, the laugh, the voice, idk man I wasn’t feeling it. I know we only got a glimpse of it, but that joker reveal brought me down a notch while watching this movie

[@dandewizzle2479]

Yeah I wasn't feeling it either; Joker's laugh almost has a child-like quality to it which i suppose was unnerving but very unusual. Perhaps once we get the full Joker reveal, looks and everything, it will fall into place better. But yeah i didn't experience the excitement I thought I would

[@Rajonty]

Dan Dewizzle yeah he did sound quite young. I was watching a video where Matt Reeves was talking about this Joker, and he seems to understand the character and has a clear direction (which I like) where he wants to go. I just hope the actor can pull it off.

[@dandewizzle2479]

@@Rajonty apparently Barry Keoghan is has been in some great stuff, so i might watch more of his work to see for myself. But thats great Matt has a plan for him. And i enjoyed the hell out of this movie so i have faith he can do it!

[@Rajonty]

Dan Dewizzle he said wants to showcase Joker’s brilliance and manipulative nature. Yeah the movie was awesome! After seeing his Caesar in PotA I wanted him to do Batman, and he pulled off a young Batman really well. That opening monologue was soo good. I really hope we get to see this Batman mature, and the second movie doesn’t just pick up right after the first, because the direction they’re going with him is so cool.

[@user-be8qc9uz3x]

Completely agree- couldn’t put it into words but comparing it to CW is pretty spot on-which is pretty unfortunate. Joker is so oversaturated, I was hoping to see a trilogy without him. And besides, the Dark Knight is a perfect Batman/Joker film.

[@aliquidgaming1068]

Joe....in the comics catwoman is the daughter of Falcon. In the newer ones they hint at that as well. It isnt a new story line. I even think it's mentioned in Batman Ego and Long Halloween which inspired a lot of this film Edit Joe... this story also sets up the story The War of Jokes and Riddles. In that comic it's set in year 2. Riddler floods gotham. Gets locked up with joker in arkham. They kinda become buddies then quickly turn enemies and start a war with all villains choosing sides. This eventually leads directly into court of owls.

[@vilhelmstein2091]

Joe doesn't know much about Batman

[@aliquidgaming1068]

@@vilhelmstein2091 alot of this movie hints at alot of stuff from New 52, rebirth and the more popular graphic novels. Hush being the bug one. There is president for batman using a diluted version of venom once. Riddler flooding gotham in his Second year also has an arc were villains like bane, two face, penguin, etc claim sections of gotham as territories before choosing riddler or jokers side. All the chaos and war leads to batman figuring out the court wanted it and devised it to burn gotham.

[@JazzyJeffRealTalk]

I hate when people judge this Batman like he’s fully developed. All his character flaws are because it’s still year two. Matt reeves knows how to build on movies and he will be what everyone knows as Batman at the end of the trilogy.

[@Blasian89]

Same thing with Man of Steel, people judged the flaws without understanding that there's a planned arc. These characters are starting out flawed and will learn/adapt over time.

[@subzero308]

exactly these r the movies that r good... same with Joaquins Joker... best joker by far second is the one from the Gotham show.

[@JazzyJeffRealTalk]

@@subzero308 Have these people seen the Planet of the apes movies. Matt reeves character arc and development of Caesar was done to perfection. Instead of Batman begins and rushing through batmans progression in one movie, reeves is clearly spreading it out over time and fully fleshing out Batman and Bruce Wayne’s character

[@dontreadmyprofilepicture8817]

@@subzero308 No, that take on Joker was so bad lol.

[@ObKeeng]

I think the dead mayor's kid later becomes the red hood. His Halloween costume from the opening scene was inspired.

[@MrZeek1519]

I honestly think that the Riddler was intentionally hinting at the Court of Owls with all the owl references in his cards. I also feel that the Court of Owls may have been something that the Riddler had uncovered in Thomas Wayne's past, but that he didn't reveal all that he found because he was focused on his own past issues with the Renewal Fund. I do think that the Court of Owls will come up at some point in the sequels.

[@mikedavis6414]

There’s a prequel comic that explains how he can fight so well. Kind of shitty for non comic readers though

[@TrulyLegitGaming]

*novel

[@DrewskiGames24]

What’s it called?

[@dylaningo3065]

Okay now I can say this I like how the riddler had a gang at the end it reminded me of the Arkham games and the different gangs for the villains

[@jamesmyers660]

The ending clues are very much a huge Hush Easter egg. Which would absolutely fit the story with the Riddler, especially if they’re looking to bring him back for the second film.

[@evilgraycat]

Out of all the theories I'm reading Hush into Court of Owls sounds the coolest. Would certainly make this Batman unique

[@warrenmason1582]

@@evilgraycat like they recruit hush to be Bruce? I could see it happening.

[@Pancakes741]

I want a Robert Patterson batman trilogy after this movie he did great i personally liked it better than dark knight movies and i loved those ones too

[@pjm91788]

10:45 guess nobody read The Long Halloween novel or cartoon film because Selina is Falcones daughter. It wasn't "made up" for this movie, it came straight from the source material

[@Thorax2552]

If it makes you feel better, Reeves said he'd be looking at other villains other than Joker. I think this was just a cameo. But the guy you were thinking of is Zsasz. I agree he'd fit, Court of Owls too

[@TreyJCooper]

you do know that was two face right?

[@Thorax2552]

@@TreyJCooper nope, Reeves confirmed it was Joker

[@matthewrichards4078]

18:30 Brushing up on the comics, Their first breakup is over her keeping that he was her father from him, AND when she slips up via emotional out burst with Batman? He lets her see under the cowl and as he leaves, he says SEE? I was going to do this tonight no matter what. . . I wish you trusted me as much as I trust you.

[@Movie_Games]

The Batman feels alot like Se7en. Both had the heroes not doing much and following the bad guy's plan. Both villains win in the end. Only thing I didn't like about the film. I wanted to see the world's greatest detective, but all Batman did was answer the riddles.

[@SuperMurray2009]

Woah there buddy

[@ashlight3812]

You're keep forgetting it's Batman year 2 eventually he will get better at everything including detective skills if you notice even in the combat enemies landed punches on him a lot why ? Because he still has a long way ahead.

[@Servantofthearts]

Lol what? Bruce is kicking ass the whole movie, riddler is literally in prison and the news shifted from him so he was forgetten 😐 and please, do explain what you mean by "world's greatest detective" because he literally does the most detective work in this movie, what do you want him to look at the crime scene for 5 seconds and instantly figure out the villains location?? Like that wouldn't work at all.

[@Movie_Games]

@@Servantofthearts Riddler did what he wanted through the whole movie. Batman fell for his trick to bring the guy into the light. Riddler was only caught because he wanted to be caught. Comic book Batman would've foiled a few of Riddler's plans with his detective work. They should've made Batman figure out his plan and stop some of the dams from being blown up or something. Just on the whole it felt like Batman was just on the sidelines watching not getting much done until the ending where a large portion Gotham drowned, but he saved a portion of the people in the building. At the very least there should've been some clues that the Riddler left that pointed to his plan to flood the city.

[@jase276]

The Riddler was winning for the majority of the film, but he lost in the end. Batman didn't sympathize with him/join him, his plan to kill the mayor failed, and Bruce is still alive while he's stil locked up. Also, it taught Batman to be a symbol of hope as well, instead of just vengeance. Did you miss the bit where he was losing his mind until Joker calmed him down?

[@joshp1820]

In terms of the club, the Iceberg Lounge was a welcome addition to the movie as it is owned by The Penguin and appropriately attributed to Gotham's criminal activity. The secretive portion of the club, the one where you see all the district attorneys and high-ranking officials of Gotham, is pretty much where you could divulge information without the fear of infiltration since the club is quite guarded and indeed has secret areas. Other than alcohol, that's pretty much why they could freely share such information.

[@Montesama314]

Two things I loved here were (1) Batman's interaction with civilians changing as he went along and (2) the actual detective work. A good mystery allows the viewer to connect the dots as the main character does, and this movie felt like it did that well. I could predict a few things as it went well before the reveals (like Thomas Wayne being connected to the mob and Selina being Falcone's kid), but ultimately I felt satisfied and smart for being able to put it together.

[@Cynnik911]

Absolutely loved this movie but a few plot holes bothered me: Colson blows up right in front of Batman and there's not a single scratch on him, the police take him to the station instead of the hospital and wait to remove the cowl there, after the car chase batman and gordon leaves penguin where he returns back to the club instead of arresting him, the cops were shooting at him in the station and later they're all buddies lol

[@ebola9717]

When Gordon tells him to punch him, Batman says "you're gonna get heat for this" which I assume means Gordon would immediately fess up after he escaped

[@coolkorsah1]

I had the same thoughts. I thought Batman was still wanted by the cops after his escape but what do you know, all heat was dropped during Falcone arrest.

[@PawsOnTheBalcony]

@@ebola9717 Batman said "you're gonna get heat for this" first and THEN Gordon replied with "Well, you punched me in the face", thus telling Batman that Gordon is going to avoid the heat by making it look like Batman assaulted him and fled of his own accord. Gordon playing the victim to cover up the fact that he actively helped Bats escape.

[@noaheast7600]

Selina is literally the daughter of Falcone in the comics that inspired this lmao I don't know why they're mad about that

[@DumbIdeaPresentedStupidly]

Just cause it was in the comics dosent mean it makes sense or works here

[@AttonBrown]

@@DumbIdeaPresentedStupidly how does it not make sense? She has a dad lol

[@batalorian7997]

@@DumbIdeaPresentedStupidly what do you mean it makes no sense??? How does that not make sense?

[@ScrambledDeth]

12:08 Glad I'm not the only one who thought of Edna when Batman was getting dragged by the cape. Lmao

[@MichieHoward]

NO CAPES!

[@Tina93_]

Same. It’s stuck with me now whenever I see capes.

[@TheWhteWolf]

I HATED IT. it was 2hrs too long. He looked like a MCR fanboy. Riddler looked like a gimp. Catwomen got her mask from the dollar store. Worst Batman ever. Waste of 3hr. He kept getting beat. Batman walked in the front door of the club. Since when does Batman walk in the front door. I didn't like it at all. It's more like Batboy.

[@TomYaboYoga]

We're going to forget how all of Gotham PD was after Batman, but then he just walks right to them when presenting Falcone?

[@kevind6965]

This movie you can argue is probably the best Batman film or it’s 1.B. To Batman Begins because this is what we has fans wanted. I’m so excited for what they have next for Robert Patterson Batman.

[@ZaidIsm007]

Loved the interactions with the police and Batman. So tense. Loved when he ran away from them. Wish the movie was more bloody though with the fight scenes.

[@ebola9717]

I loved the one cop that gave him shit at the beginning ends up his buddy by the end

[@ZaidIsm007]

@@ebola9717 yeah. The uneasy relationship between law enforcement and him felt like a huge precursor to the Arkham games were he works closely with the police. A young and reckless Batman fighting the cops lol.

[@Steven-wo9bm]

I got a pretty good feeling that Batman 2022 :"im vengeance" Sequel:" i am the knight" Last movie :"I am Batman!"

[@amysteriousviewer3772]

It's "the night" though not "knight" and I feel they already did that here with the whole "I am the shadow" thing.

[@Latinkon]

Imagine if the movie titles for potential sequels included those phrases, except in reverse with Vengeance being included in the third installment's title.

[@leroypalmer2981]

I loved the first scene when Batman enters the fray, it kinda sounds like he has spurs on, such a badass scene to walk into where he just beats the crap out of them. Nothing cgi or special, just pure battling it out

[@mariyamatia8726]

The last 2 punches were improvised by robert pattinson

[@muffaloswolja8654]

One of my issues with this film is it feels almost impossible for rogues like Clayface, Manbat, Killer Croc, Grundy and Poison Ivy to exist. I really want a live action adaptation of BTAS as a premium show but I don’t think that will ever happen. Mostly because it makes too much sense and Hollywood is stupid.

[@ahmedalhosani6895]

Matt Reeves is about to cook the things you've mentioned in the next sequels.

[@firewarrior5828]

Killer Croc or Grundy would turn Batman into a horror Movie and I would be here for it.

[@craigsovilla6578]

Poison Ivy could be done easily, tbh they could have her utilize herbs and plants like a witch.

[@kill3rs529]

I'd personally give the film an 8 imo is the best characterisation of batman in any of the films great action but my problems lie with some of the story I never found it boring at any point but I thought the film would end when falcone died and ridder went to arkham asylum and although the final act had some great action I found it quite long winded and overstuffed by the end.

[@LshowKnows]

I actually missed the rescue part because I had to go to the bathroom and the movie didn´t get a break. I was always like "Okay Riddler got caught, this must be the end, I can hang on a bit" nooope, more things. Like, I don´t mind cause they weren´t bad and show why Riddler didn´t care about getting arrested and how smart he is, but it was a bit long.

[@asongforthemostbeautifulwo6476]

That would make a shitty story because batman wouldn't have his arc which is the best thing in this movie. We wouldn't get the flood scene + batman turning into a symbol of hope and light to the citzens of Gotham

[@hatemongerofthetoxicbrood6561]

That great characterization of Batman COULD NOT HAPPEN IF NOT FOR THAT FINAL ACT.

[@kill3rs529]

@@hatemongerofthetoxicbrood6561 Okay JUST MY OPINION

[@hatemongerofthetoxicbrood6561]

@@kill3rs529 Saying "MY OPINION" is not a Shield for you to make BALATANTLY and Objectivly false statements.

[@McBumbleFlump]

Joker wasn’t a tease as to him being next. Go watch the interview with Matt reeves taking about it. It’s more so just to show how dangerous Gotham is.

[@TreyJCooper]

That was two face not Joker

[@McBumbleFlump]

@@TreyJCooper nope it was joker. First Matt Reeves confirmed it was joker. Second what other character laughs like that in Batman? So yes it is joker and no Reeves isn’t using him to say he’s next. There’s an interview you need to see.

[@McBumbleFlump]

@@TreyJCooper and yes I know his face was messed up. Go watch the interview. Reeves talks about his design of the joker.

[@theroguerider]

Honestly my biggest issue with the movie is that they leaned into the detective aspect but EVERYTHING was handed to him by someone else. He was so reactive and never proactive. The Riddler accomplished everything that he wanted and Batman was always a few steps behind. That’s not Batman.

[@definitelyfamousbutyoudont1810]

I like it more room 2 grow

[@theroguerider]

@@definitelyfamousbutyoudont1810 I get that, but he just seemed to do NOTHING on his own merit, and after 2 years I don’t expect him to be the master of clues and detection, but I didn’t expect a random cop to tell him what things are.

[@amysteriousviewer3772]

I also found it too formulaic in that regard. It almost felt like a video game with Batman receiving a new card after beating a level. I also have a huge pet peeve about movies using social media as a plot device and I hate that they leaned into that so much at the end.

[@gwell2118]

Love it completely. Only thing I wasn’t digging was the length. But I’m not even really ragging in it I didn’t like sitting a long time in Endgame either. I just get cramped if I’m in a theatre pushing almost three hours, but beyond that two thumbs up👍👍

[@kickdogseal]

I think the final movie will have the The Joker as the big baddie. I get a feeling that they are building up to him vs the Batman. I mean what good is a Batman story without the Joker. I hope it is true. I wouldn’t mind if he is in the third movie in like 6 years time. But if he is in the second movie. I am not looking forward to it.

[@merlith4650]

It will definently not take them 6 years to get to the 3rd movie. DC has been desperately pumping out as many new movies and reboots as possible (I am personally burnt out which is why I won't bother with this batman). Batman Vs Superman came out 6 years ago, and in that time they have pushed out every origin movie pluss sequels, recast the joker 3 times in 3 different continuties. 2 different Batmen. Cancelled one continuity, rebooted another. Released their big justice league movie twice in different versions. They even made the suicide squad movie twice.. second one being a soft reboot. How many years before they reboot something again? I'll give them 4 years tops, and that's being generous judging by their history And the joker will most defienly be in the second movie. They already managed to insert the joker twice in movies as a side apperance (suicide squad, justice league), and then they made an entire spin-off about the joker. And now they once again inserted the Joker with no real reason for him to be there. Patience and restraint is not DCs strong suit

[@acheman8836]

Pattinson is my favorite Batman now due to how accurate he is to a young Year 2 Batman. Him, and the movie overall just felt like as if I was in Arkham Origins which also took place in year 2.

[@sebastianzambrano1714]

There is a prequel novel to this movie that explains his training. Basically he traveled the world learning diferent martial arts, alfred also trained him since a kid.

[@famousthaneus9810]

if that's explained in the book, not a lick of that martial arts training shows up. Definitely felt more like the kind of combat I'd expect if Mi6 Alfred trained him

[@sebastianzambrano1714]

@@famousthaneus9810 yeah the fighting choreography didnt convince me either, one thing I didn't like from the movie.

[@jase276]

@@famousthaneus9810 There was a bit of judo and grappling. There was martial arts in there. I guess it just wasn't practical to use something like karate or taekwondo in full-body armor. The Batman who does that kind of stuff is in tights, not armor.

[@Spessforce]

People don’t mention the awesome club visuals and music during the scenes there, especially the first one with the red lights. Lighting and sound design was awesome this film.

[@Xirpzy]

He was a plank tbh. Looked like he almost fell asleep a few times, especially with Alfred in the hospital. Always the same bored voice and slow walk even when there was no reason for him to be slow. Otherwise the acting was decent. Also he is invincible as pointed out in the video. Point blank shotgun blast, tons of bullets and a freaking bomb in the face without a scratch. Otherwise they got the fights and action scenes right but they could have done scenes much more realistic. Instead of the police letting batman walk around poking at evidence, let the police find the letters and give them to batman. More realistic and the police doesnt look completely incompetent, they literally didnt do any progress except for that one phone call. Batman needed like 5 seconds on every crime scene to find the letters. And not only that, he solves too many riddles so fast. No time for the audience to think about them for a while. Catwoman being at the party and talking laudly with batman when everyone is around. Not suspicious? Noone knows shes the daughter of the bad guy? Few things I had to point out. Just a bunch of things could have been written much better. I like the more realistic parts and facepalmed a couple times as well. Action good, acting ok, writing dissapointing weak 7/10 for me. Honestly had higher hopes but oh well.

[@bails9863]

Not a bad movie, not a good movie 5/10. Riddler steals the show and there’s some epic action scenes but to many time throughout the movie it feels like it’s dragging it’s feet and Robert Pattinson struggle to bring character to Batman.

[@kellrdawg]

The post credit scene was a tease for the Riddler to be reborn as Hush. That's why they also teased Joker at the end.

[@reisscumberbatch6786]

Batman needs to have a talk with boba fett lol that line killed me 😂😂

[@CrityCrit]

This is literally the telltale game as a movie they just changed 2 characters.

[@Freemouse159]

Yeaaa I was getting game vibes too, Jesus it was long as a film maybe better as a 3 part TV show

[@untitled3426]

Yeah the first season also the joker gave me those same vibes too.

[@SabertoothK120]

Yes that game was so good too

[@CrityCrit]

@@Freemouse159 it’s legit it go re play the first one it’s strangely identical

[@CrityCrit]

@@SabertoothK120 yes it is

[@kaycheung3749]

The Batman actor basically put up the same face throughout the whole film….the cat woman plot feels tack on ….. the movie is really slow …not just the pacing but also the camera ….it took him like ten fucking seconds to open a cage in one scene …. I know it is supposed to be dramatic and all but I just feel bored ….. Beside ….. I don’t understand why would riddler leave Batman the password to his video of the real change . If Batman really crack the riddle he would have had more than enough time to disable those bombs ….

[@Fonzflicks]

It’s a good movie, but the Riddler and Falcone casting were bad. I can see why they put a mask on the actor because he doesn’t have that magnifying presence. He’s basically a different version of Jigsaw. Paul Dano would have been better as the Mad Bomber from that Grey Ghost episode imo. Some guy who looks harmless, but is a maniac with his beautiful toys.