The biggest Pixar Lie

[@ThatBunniBoi]

It’s not wrong, it’s just not official.

[@wolf-kissedrosie69]

It is if it's not something Pixar does. A single individual using that list doesn't mean it's a Pixar thing. Therefore it is wrong. The rumor is that Pixar has a list they go by and that list is false to the company. That list was made by a past employee to help her with her work.

[@MarekMango]

@@wolf-kissedrosie69 yeah yeah, they just meant the advises are good

[@trdestruction6678]

The list was made after and we were told it was something that had existed before. That would be wrong regardless.

[@BigJackMack]

If it ain’t official it ain’t true

[@GourmetJobSim]

Well it is a lie so it isn’t official.

[@hineraable]

"If you're stuck, write what wouldn't happen next" it's actually genius.

[@Skitdora2010]

Darth Vader did not come and beam him up to Narnia.

[@rigboy1234]

Megamind didn't have an ex-criminal band.

[@XDbit]

Woody and buzz didn't have a friend in them with a woody and a buzz💀

[@SpaceCat7642]

Cinderella won't slap the fck out of the stepmother..👠

[@TheRealSoftR]

Morbius didn’t not go “its morbin time”

[@pixel2966]

Are y’all really about to invalidate a list full of good filmmaking advice made by an actual filmmaker just because it wasn’t actively put into practice by one film company?

[@nairdacnalbel]

something can have merit, and also be a lie. like a fable.

[@wyattcole5452]

@@nairdacnalbelfables aren’t lies, unless you’re gonna suggest writers, actors, most lyrical musicians and others professionally creative liars

[@skelebrosgaming2187]

It's not invalidating the list at all, even in the video they say it's good advice. But to call it the Pixar Rulebook is just a blatant lie

[@banana-nx8dk]

@@wyattcole5452 i mean fictional stories are just lies because they didnt happen

[@wyattcole5452]

@@banana-nx8dk fictional stories don’t all claim to be true, like at all. Some, certainly. Like how there’s some people who lie about who they are. They aren’t actors, actors aren’t claiming to be the person they’re playing (most of the time)

[@alomeda]

That AI voice just makes me want to unsubscribe from this channel

[@thegiftedfire3470]

True It’s getting very repetitive and annoying

[@simonwillover4175]

Actually, the AI does a good job at pointng out the lack of credibility on the Pixar post.

[@wolf-kissedrosie69]

If you get bothered by something so trivial then maybe you shouldn't be KZbin. 😂

[@bellhop_phantom]

This is the most normal sounding AI generated voice I've ever heard. That's a you problem

[@anwirlolol]

FRR

[@onionbubs386]

It's still pretty good writing advice

[@folasadebolarinwa6556]

I agree. I use it sometimes when I write my own stories. 😊

[@TheRealJackee4]

ONION BUBS!!!!

[@Howaboutyes11]

Literally exactly

[@Nevertoleave]

Yeah. There have been several times when I realized something wasn’t working but I would push on and get the next bit out. Then I go back and edit and realize that it wasn’t working because I didn’t set the scene up enough. That’s what was bugging me. I took a writing course by a published author who said that when he wrote the third book in the series he was almost done it when he realized that it wasn’t sounding right. Too many car chases and a helicopter fight, and it was just more outlandish than the first couple books. So he finished writing it, then went back to edit and threw out everything but the first chapter and the last chapter, the. Rewrote the whole thing and liked it much better

[@PhantoMace2012]

Thank you for making my day infinitely better with your profile pic from Homestar Runner.

[@JohnPaul-lv8ys]

I was always taught to start from the ending. Establish where you want your character to get and then figure out how they will get there.

[@mysterymemerman]

Actually seems like solid advice

[@Skitdora2010]

Masters will tell you true secrets. Teachers only repeat what they heard. Listen to master storytellers and not teachers. You write your story concept but in writing process ideas will come which might change all your plans. The story writes itself and you wrestling in what you want to see sometimes drowns it. If you know your moral or point, that should never change.

[@JakeHaroer]

That’s solid advice a lot of films do that

[@mr.harrow3405]

​@@Skitdora2010 I've spent the last three years in an artschool learning animation, including storyboard and storytelling. Every single teacher we met already had a career in a domain, like Sébastien piquet that worked on puss in boots 2, or our 3D animation teacher that worked on the minions movie and Sing 2 (3 years, 7k/year, and we only got to learn with her for 4 days. Don't ever trust artschool programs) If i learned something about writing a story, it's that the way you do it doesn't matter as long as you like it. If you try to find a way, you're gonna get stuck on points. If you just like what you're thinking about, it's gonna be fun to do and watch. The more a story is made for money, the less interesting it gets. That's why students projects generaly suffers from plot holes or some kind of issues, since the school is asking you to do it, sometimes forcing a style or a theme on your team, you lose a bit of passion in your project. (I also learned that when you try to do something fun or comical, schools willing to present student's work in festivals will avoid you because they think that because it's comedy, it's not as good as anything else. And i'm talking about a really good animation i saw from another school. They chose another animation with pretty landscapes but no story and poorly animated characters instead, because it was "more serious" . The comedy movie team went to the extent of making a song for the ending. They made everything on Blender. I think the name was Lost control, a guy cleaning the windows of his spaceship that's about to crash on asteroïds.)

[@grammy_hnng]

"thats just from a storyboard animator who left us to make a live action movie" HE SOUNDS SO BITTER ABOUT IT TOO THO

[@sodalite5294]

No, it sounded like he degraded the person’s choice in leaving pixar.

[@scionixx9568]

@@sodalite5294 or maybe he was just simply stating a fact

[@jamminoutrexan5474]

​@@scionixx9568It's the word choices that make it sound bitter. He said "left us," which implies abandonment or betrayal, when he could have said something more neutral like "went to work on" or "moved onto a live action film." Even his "just" can imply dismissiveness toward the person or list. That may not have been what he meant or felt at all, but word choices can lead people to assume certain things.

[@scionixx9568]

@@jamminoutrexan5474 not everybody talks the same. You don’t know the guy, so I don’t think it’s fair for you to jump to a conclusion about his mindset. Seems so many ppl like to jump to a conclusion that paints a person in a negative light. I say things all the time that others might take the wrong way because of their own personal vocabulary use. Everybody’s different.

[@Narutocoolcat]

@@scionixx9568most of the time is over exaggeration. But after reading a lot of Reddit stories and seeing how they end up. There’s a lot you can pick up from someone just by analyzing the words they use and how.

[@Lil_Angel_Films]

I'll be learning from that fake list.

[@Lil_Angel_Films]

Wow, 110 likes. I don't feel like this comment deserves that much.

[@JeffySock8589]

@@Lil_Angel_Films 228*

[@MystiquetheFairy-zb3kr]

@@JeffySock8589 268*

[@Neospection]

well, not really fake, just less valuable

[@Ana-wz9ss]

@@Neospection any info that helps the writing process is valuable !😸✨

[@zoedotpng]

Animation Graduate here: they do teach us these rules, but they are for storytelling guidelines for when writing a story. Not hard set rules that you HAVE to follow. It breaks down what a good animated story has

[@BIackhole]

Being an animation graduate must be so cool

[@zoedotpng]

@@BIackhole you have to have true grit to survive. If you mess something up in the animation process after you’ve rendered and exported it you have to do it all over 😭 and those renders can take days

[@annhill20111]

So if it was made by someone who worked for Pixar it’s not a lie.

[@charliewegner]

unless that person lied. which happens.

[@Sivrn-Val]

So it's technically not a lie, just her process while working there.

[@ThePurpleCheesecakeZebra]

yup, its not a list at all but its stuff she learnt. and most animators and storytellers learn. there are thousands of pieces of advice to give. these work for her and allot of people. but theres no quick list of rules for art

[@punkpin]

"TOTAL lie"? The girl who made this was there and observed and talked about her experience with Pixar... he just said it!

[@smokey024]

Guys remember that there are human beings that say “womp womp” and think it’s not cringy asf

[@skibidiohiosigmapomnirizzler20]

Finally someone with a brain

[@Cana_melon]

Womp Womp

[@iiokrammii693]

Womp^2

[@CusterdCrange]

womp womp

[@Noob-917yww]

Saying womp womp is like dating your mom

[@cynxmanga]

Something spread on internet is a lie? Shookeh.

[@aceash5.065]

Obviously there’s no list. Because no movie of theirs that has been released in recent years has followed those rules.

[@freezasama5802]

Toy story 4 just did whatever it wanted to so yeah this is all wrong

[@aceash5.065]

@@freezasama5802 Toy Story 4 is definitely the prime example.

[@freezasama5802]

@@aceash5.065 the director himself said he had no idea what he was doing so he clearly followed no rules when making the film

[@aceash5.065]

@@freezasama5802 “When you really break it all down, none of this makes any sense”

[@This-is-a-commentt]

It’s a total lie ❌ It’s not by Pixar ✅

[@ThePurpleCheesecakeZebra]

its not really fake. its not like this is bad advice. its just not an iron clad rule set. it may be something her boss had pinned up somewhere. it may be what she learnt in school. its good things to do if youre stuck. they arent even really rules, theyre just advice. knowing how a story is going to end will help you beef up the middle. if the answer turns out to be the magical stones that character x has then you will have character x appear with these stones and question it or what they do (this is an incredibly simple example) they may even light up or act strangely when they are close to the answer. you dont want to fully give it away but nodding to those who know the ending throughout is a good way to get people to love the story the second time round

[@TrialzGTAS]

Why combine real and fake voices

[@killianobrien2007]

AI voice for quotes I think.

[@MeemahSN]

​@@killianobrien2007 a stupid choice

[@austinteal3645]

Well they definitely should have the list seeing how Disney movies are flopping as of recently

[@ThePurpleCheesecakeZebra]

theyre flopping because of covid. the films we are seeing now where written on zoom. it has nothing to do with quality of people in he field and all to do with capitalism and a laxck of creatives being able to work in the same space

[@BeeMajor]

While it might not come from Pixar, it still has great advice for everyone

[@mostlyghostey]

It’s still from a person who worked at Pixar. Whether or not they have that up in their story room I BET they still follow quite a few of those sentiments.

[@GavinMakesVideos-xm7dd]

The fact it switches from the actual voice and the ai voice is incredibly infuriating

[@uddhavsrivilasan8460]

Pixar has a storytelling course up on Khan Academy and this list is covered by none other than Pete Docter himself. I especially remember the "come up with an ending first" piece of advice. Still who knows? Maybe it's just something Pete Docter and his writers follow.

[@ThePurpleCheesecakeZebra]

its a great tip. it works well especially in who done it style things, if theres going to be an end twist you need to have planned it. most serial shows will write a season finaly first so they can work towards it and add bits in. although it can break if its too far off, how i met your mother is a great example of "maybe change the ending" everyone hated how it ended because they wrote too far in advance. sure its all clever with costume colours and hints to the mother throughout. but the ending was set in stone from day 1 and the show took too many turns away from that.

[@jmurbina0]

So it is true. If she worked at PIXAR it means it's true and not wrong. He sounds a bit bitter and jealous. Also he sounds like a cowboy... 🤭

[@wolf-kissedrosie69]

You didn't pay attention at all, did you? He said it's something that a past employee did because that's what she learned in HER personal experience while working there. That means it's a personal thing she did that others didn't. She is not Pixar. The rumor was that *Pixar* keeps a list not a single individual. 🤷‍♀️ Therefore it's not true. A single person isn't Pixar. There would have to be more than one person that uses her list, keywords being "her list" for it to be a Pixar list of things they do. It would have to be used by an entire team of employees for it to be something Pixar does and it's not. Next time you should pay attention to the words being spoken instead of trying to be a snob in the comments. 🤭

[@joaquinlezcano2372]

​@BandelKuar"who" is actually right? The girl who could made up the list by herself and has her own work routine? Or the guy who doesn't feel represented by it and therefore invalidates the "Pixar" of the list

[@wyattcole5452]

⁠@BandelKuarbut it’s not Pixar, it’s a worker at Pixar…

[@wyattcole5452]

BandelKuar it’s not technically correct, because it’s not Pixar’s. Pixar doesn’t go by it, Pixar didn’t write it. What jobs has Stephen king been at? Do those corporations that he’s worked for (presuming they’d still be around) take credit for his book On Writing? Did Joseph Cambell’s publishers pretend they wrote the book?

[@sodalite5294]

congrats on everyone repeating the anwser for this one person. lol

[@PierreAlexandreDucos]

Ok. So basically, its a Nike shoe. *But that's a lie.* It's not a nike shoe. *Because:* one of the Executives wears adidas.

[@TraversalKnife]

its not a "lie" its simply an animator's interpretation of what they worked on at pixar. nothing about this list is "fake" or a "lie"

[@thatguy8711]

"List of things that wouldn't happen" Suddenly, a space polar bear flies into the room...

[@theshamanite]

This is true, every storywriting process is different

[@robinthrush9672]

Felt wrong when I saw the one about having the ending in mind and finding a way to get there. A lot of bad stories come from having to work toward a specific outcome.

[@TheDeathmail]

I think you are misunderstanding it. Just because you have an end in mind doesn't mean you can't change the end. You are ALWAYS supposed to be able to change the story while making it. Meaning you should make the ending first. But having a clear goal can be a huge help when writing.

[@doloresgronenberg5882]

A lot of bad stories also come from not having a clear goal in mind and making a big mess with no head or tail, the idea and it's what this advice implies is to have a clear goal in mind, something to work to achieve, an ending (which is the finish line and very important to the story, an ending can ruin a whole story) or important future event that you can change midway if you change your mind about what you want the story to be or how you want to develope it or if you find another one that you like more

[@robinthrush9672]

Good points, the both of you made. I suppose I've just seen too many instances of an author wanting desperately for something to happen and ignoring the sense it makes when it happens because the writing didn't lead up to it or later go on to explain how adequately. The latest Ghostbusters, which I saw last week, and its ghost girl sub-plot and ending, for example.

[@wyattcole5452]

@@doloresgronenberg5882sounds like ASOIF/GOT

[@wyattcole5452]

⁠@@robinthrush9672the ghost girl was the worst part, but I do find the implication interesting. It’s decent worldbuilding

[@idiomasentusiasticos7954]

Old Yeller doesn’t die and lives a long, happy life with her puppies.

[@simonwillover4175]

That makes sense.

[@docavar5698]

49:10 I think the creators were pretty dang deliberate with these events happening outside the movies as jabs at the movie industry over time. Especially the one with Stinky Pete, being segregated at the Oscar’s/rear-ended to not receive the accolade of your work, and the clone thing being a metaphor that you can be easily replaced. Plus also the fact some lead actors would be relegated to smaller roles in other films to find work after their main films finished. And it’s not just Pixar, it’s other animation studios like Laika that are all facing these same issues behind the scenes (I don’t even want to fathom the rabbit hole of Laika with how they use MULTIPLE copies to THOUSANDS of their characters). This whole can of worms you opened up is not terrifying, but pretty dang depressing 😥

[@Loulizabeth]

The good thing about this post is that it's actually going to bring people who do storytelling and animation and let them know about the list of they hadn't before. That way they can discover for themselves how each of these can impact their work, which ones they'll keep and which ones not. Hadn't even heard of the list before but now I want to look into it.

[@Rafielo]

Maybe they should still pay attention to the list. Their movies recently been so... Nothing that I'm sure having that around could probably help.

[@littlebigb5370]

"Get to the end of the story. Then rewrite." Is simple but GREAT advice. There's been times where I didn't love point B to point C, so I would try to rework it without finishing when I really could've and should've seen where I wanted to take point D, or E, or so on then reworked what I didn't like.

[@chonbasket656]

"And now you know that" thanks for adding that! Really adds to the video and makes it your own! Really creative smh

[@freezinCream]

That first one is actually good advice

[@yuki97kira]

The.... Generated voice reaaaaally sells this to be legit

[@Yume-AW]

I just make stories as I go. Like I’ll write about the main character’s best friend and be like “hey, they should go on an adventure together!”

[@9Guy999]

Even tho it ain’t real it honestly still sounds like a great plan when making a story. 👍

[@MNDarkfire]

It’s literally not a lie. David Reynolds came and talked with us at My school, he wrote finding Nemo, emperors new groove, and many other Pixar and Disney movies, and he expressed all of those Pixar story writing guidelines.

[@wildfire3986]

No, that Hella suspicious

[@turtswing]

Official or not, it's still written by an artist and still remains good advice. There's no reason to dismiss it just because it's not Pixar's.

[@ethannot-apastafarian4123]

Kelsey Mann directing Inside Out 2 while his other family members run Mann Co

[@isrealieditz445]

You know that bug on KZbin where you see a short video and in the middle of the video it shows you the next short video?, this is what happened to me and it happened at the most appropriate time

[@artemis_furrson]

"Biggest Pixar lie" None of those 3 words apply to this situation at all.

[@Chamomile.Tea31]

Ngl figuring out the ending is a really helpful tool. I always know the ending, then construct the character before the ending happens… Personality drives how this character will develop as the ending gets close and VAVOOM good story. At least, I’ve been *told* they’re good stories… I always judge my work a bit much 😅

[@JustCallMeKopi]

It's called preventing writing writer's block. It's not a rule list handout they give to their employees. I'm surprised he was so honest about who made it. It's a useful list that people could use when they get writer's block.

[@markdarc0448]

Just because they don’t use this as a list doesn’t mean they don’t do things on there. Like if on that list they had “breathe” but said the list wasn’t official, they’re still breathing regardless

[@Fleischkopf]

good advices nontheless and she worked at pixar, so its not a complete lie...

[@petrovepryk3786]

But there is also "Pixar in a Box" course in the Khan Academy.

[@gnammyhamster9554]

Maybe if they had one the quality wouldn't have gone down the drain

[@angelescobedo5846]

I think he’s wrong

[@user-TheVirus_Offical]

But what if, it is true and the Pixar employee saying it's wrong, is actually wrong?

[@gamerkane1813]

It's literally physically in the Pixar studio or at least it was until all the good directors and creators left and the new ones didn't care about quality. If it's not there that means it was removed so that the chumps making movies now could cover they're asses.

[@SniperOnSunday]

Link this to me. This is solid advice.

[@staringcorgi6475]

The best book for animation is the illusion of life since it’s made by 2 of the old men at disney who were animators in films from snow white to the rescuers

[@happyllama1160]

So it’s a list created by someone at Pixar based on their experiences of the way things worked with their team at Pixar? How is that a lie?

[@MoralityOwen]

"Damn I wonder what film he's making, oh look it got revealed! Dragon Ball Evolution? Let's see how this goes."

[@Animokey]

I went to an art school near the Pixar studios, so a lot of our animation teachers were from pixar who’d come in after or before work, or were retired from pixar. While we weren’t drilled on what was on the list, parts of the list were referenced in our story lectures and pipeline classes. So it’s not a lie. Just not “official.”

[@TheCreativeGamerYT]

THIS GUY TRIED TO FOOL US WITH A FAMOUS AI VOICE LIKE TRY HARDER

[@HardiSomal]

He doesn’t want the truth out there!

[@SidneyBlu]

Kelsey "Mann" 💀💀💀

[@sebastiangudino9377]

It is literally a storytelling guide by someone who worked at Pixar tho, so it isn't even a lie

[@falcofurious]

It also comes from Andrew Stanton, who tells his story about writing Finding Nemo.

[@captainpalegg2860]

so, not a rulebook, per se, but rather a glimpse into how pixar makes their movies.

[@RabidLeroy]

So it turns out it’s all just observations, and in short, “what would Pixar do?” if it were written down.

[@Hurtle885hu8bu]

It’s not the list that Pixar uses, but _it should be._

[@sswwaagg18]

Iconic

[@RachealPitts]

Envy looks so cute

[@unknownastroid_2240]

I’m not gonna lie but a lot of that stuff on the list sounds very useful….. and stuff I might even use now for future when I get back into game designing

[@ManyBurgers-]

I watched this with low volume and didn't hear the switch from the real voice to the AI voice and back so I lost my mind trying to figure out if it was AI or not.

[@teapottanuki5841]

It’s not wrong it’s just sound advice. It’s a good way of doing game development too - do the final boss first because you will usually have all your abilities by that point. Then work backwards and figure out how the player earns each ability.

[@royalheadquarters8449]

'Because I am colorblind, I percieve an apple and a pear to be the same color' 'ITS A TOTAL LIE'

[@braveheroanimator4166]

They should still keep the list at least, since the advices from that lost is pretty good.

[@michaelpineiro533]

The biggest Pixar lie was getting the world to believe that Steve Jobs was real.

[@danejenkinson-tv9kv]

Pixar has to lie

[@Bonniethebunny]

Personally, i make my beginning and ending first. Then i write it down, and come up with things as i go.

[@starry-p]

So basically the answer is “ Yesn’t”

[@eyeofi6964]

The real list was 34 rules long. Look up Pixar rule 34 for more info

[@Sly88Frye]

Kind of throws me off when you have that AI voice say some of the parts. Anyways I wasn't even aware of this unofficial post or whatever but this was interesting

[@SBaby]

I can tell you a rule that Pixar does use in almost every one of their movies (well the ones that are good, anyway). It's called the 5-Minute Rule. Basically, they establish the main protagonist's internal conflict and why it exists in the first 5 minutes or so of a given movie.

[@FunFindsYT]

I think it' silly for Pixar for making storytelling guides/tutorials when their stories are pretty basic, straightforward and predictable. They aren't known for writing good stories, they have incredibly good animation, but the storytelling is aimed at kids and young teens.

[@brokeninfinitysonic1]

I just wish they didn’t have slip in forced comedy to change the tone and mood if shit hits the fan. Like soul and inside out.

[@Solar19620]

Thats what they WANT you to think Lol

[@Trident_Gaming03]

I'm curious how that live action movie the guy who made the list turned out to be, since I'd be less likely to trust the list if his movie was bad

[@kallethoren]

Why is there a real recorded voice over as well as a text to speech one? Couldn't the real dude voice everything?

[@impagain]

basically, it's good advice but it isn't the end-all-be-all. In the wise words of Captain Barbosa, "They're more of guidelines than actual rules"

[@CrashFu]

So some random artist just decided to speak for everyone at Pixar and lie about it being official rules in order to get tons of likes and retweets, but really she was just making shit up on the spot? Yeah, that sounds about right.

[@starbackpack8189]

i was hoping this was about jeffery katzenburg saying ai eas going to replace 90 percent of the jobs but i guess thats still real... X(

[@jacobpage8028]

Ok, as a novel writer, i can confidently say following number 7: "come up with your ending before your middle", is horrible advice. A lot of people dont know this, but when writing a story, it usually starts to take its own shape. Its kind of like it starts to lead the way the story should go, and you write it. Ive had many times where i thought the story was going to go one way, and it went another, and it feels so much more natural that way. The fastest way to butcher a story is to start with the end.

[@BTEdidnothingwrong]

As a novel writer myself, that idea works. Writing should never be super linear

[@wyattcole5452]

It depends on the writer, but agreed

[@scarecrowhobo]

Technically it did come from pixar, just not current pixar or the majority of them

[@mooightlitmat762]

I think you should quit being controlled substance of things to keep deeper 😂

[@suburiboy]

Sounds like more of a misleading title on the post than an actual lie. It was a set of guides written and maybe used at Pixar, Just not officially adopted.

[@salihawouda2992]

What's up with the womp womp comments 😂😂😂

[@theoverseer393]

The AI doesn’t help with the tone, makes it sound way worse

[@Missing_Ghst]

It was a tips and tricks guide

[@dantecote6763]

First off the list has real tips used for movies

[@Vickyneons]

Joy💀💀

[@Latenivenatrix_Mcmasterae]

So it’s not a lie, but it’s also not the truth