They think Orochi is OP too... Reacting to the Competitive For Honor Tierlist

[@SolidSol69]

Just wanted to react/yap to what the top tier players think of the heroes in the roster right now. What are your thoughts on the placements? Im sure some of them were suprising and most of them werent Hope you guys enjoy my yapping and see you all in the next one ya b e a utiful souls

[@mastrukko]

4:01 pretty sure they're getting lower than that considering I know 2 comp players who hit 140s and 130s respectively. Myself I'll hit 180s and occasionally 160s.

[@SolidSol69]

@@mastrukkoThats wild. Tell them to give me what they are smoking

[@mastrukko]

​@@SolidSol69 one of them regularly smokes weed

[@benjaminj.1051]

Does anyone else find it hilarious that all the brain dead heros are In the top tiers?

[@belabohlen6156]

Well that was obvious years ago since they just made everything equally boring and monotone. Every hero is just a mix of 2 other heroes hence there will always be one objectively better

[@kentuckyfriedchildren5385]

that's always the case in any game, the simple characters are always overtuned

[@NotY0urHeroo]

Video starts at 5:53 .

[@TheSuperSpud]

You’re MY heroo

[@amekwee]

ive been S C R E A M I N G that Orochi is the best character in the game for Y E A R S and only now are people starting to realize

[@Tazytots]

I don't know why it's controversial to say Orochi is OP. He can literally kill you in 7 consecutive strikes, and you can only react to.. two of them? If he gets that chain off, you're dead in a single interaction. That's not engaging gameplay. It's almost always a one sided interaction.

[@vsm_dracarys6282]

On 1vs1, but as a top 0.2% orochi and main, i can fight orochis comfortably; however, on dominion if your team is bad orochi is useless. Orochi is pretty bad against very defensive players too.

[@Alt0001]

It's only "controversial" to say it on the main sub and I'm convinced it's because they don't play the game.

[@JC-td1bt]

@@Tazytots it’s not controversial to say he’s broken or “OP” it’s controversial to say he’s the most broken or the most OP

[@vsm_dracarys6282]

@@JC-td1bt idk, you can literally kill orochi with half the heroes easily.

[@JC-td1bt]

@@vsm_dracarys6282 yes I agree but he is also an assassin I think Orochi is a top 12-10 hero but he has nowhere near the best. But I do not think it’s controversial to say he’s a little bit broken or OP however, like I said, he’s nowhere near the best in the game

[@MutatedOnion]

Started playing a bit of conq (i still have to find my main im constantly searching and getting bored) and he really needs a rework. I love the fashion and executions and everything, but his heavies barely do any damage

[@LordThatch]

I’ve been playing him since the closed beta, I miss pre orange man rework conq

[@ramicollo]

I thought he had 40+ dmg heavies?

[@georgefeldman5647]

@@ramicollotry 22 damage for his chain heavies

[@mr.bubbles976]

I ended up finally quitting For Honor this year, which honestly i didn't wven want to do but i feel like most characters have lost the thimgs that made them feel unique and different, no it feels like most heros have a 2 hit combo with a blue and orange attack thrown into the kit somewhere Maybe when the new hero gets revealed he'll bring back my desire to play but as of now, the game feels like a hollow shell of its former self Also Ubi please give us actual new armor not re-skins, or at least stop using the same set to re-skin

[@michaelcarver5994]

I'm ngl man I'm sorry to hear you feel that way. I've come back after basically only knowing what it was like early in it's life cycle, maybe year 2 at the latest. To me it seems like a whole new world of fun counterplay mechanics to learn and actually not just get shit on, after playing Tekken 7 for a few good months and actually realizing what it takes to play a fighting game. Not that For Honor is purely a fighting game either, and that's what I think makes it even more interesting to decipher and learn. I think in terms of hero variability yeah there's little to none. Some just feel fun to play because i learn them earlier than others, some dont cause I still don't really understand them. So I recently just decided I'd make myself lose till I start having fun with a hero. If the hero not give dopamine it means I probably not good enough yet. Something like that. So anyways as a guy who owns all but marching fire and has played all of em, new heroes are just new dog, old tricks. Is this terrible? Not personally, but it does mean I just end up playing whatever doesn't feel too bad to play (basically anything that isn't conq) and just have fun with it. None of the heroes really stick out to me as "my main" and it isn't really necessary for me cause even in Smite, League, and Dota, a cumulative maybe idk 5k hours between them all, I don't have mains. I just never want to do one thing, so currently For Honor is fine if there's no "uniqueness" for me, because I just enjoy the core gameplay mechanic loop. Block, Light, Parry, Heavy, Unblockable, Undodgeable, Hyper, Crushing Counter, Dodge, Dodge Cancel, Feint, Soft Feint, Advanced Light, Extended Dodge, etc. Don't matter too much who can do what or how or when, I just play the heroes that feel like I can do things that get the job done without too much effort. Which means I basically play them all, I think effort is relative in For Honor cause every opponent is different as well.

[@LeRoyt97]

I'm going to echo @michaelcarver5994 's sentiment here I just got back into the game after not playing since y4 and it has been great. Fights are so much faster and aggressive play is the norm now. I remember when winning basically hinged on who could turtle/parry the best. At the time when I quit new characters were being introduced as well as reworks put out that started to emphasized more read based attacks rather than fully reactable movesets. This started out fairly slowly though and it didn't feel great to have a large portion of the roster that just couldn't keep up to a select few. Now there are still characters in the game that are busted, but it feels like you are playing against an opponent now and matters less about the specific character match up. Sure more characters have similar moves like a dodge attack of some kind but that is such a good thing. The playing field is a lot more level now that there are more "core abilities" that every character has some kind of access to. And speaking of the new hero and unique playstyles, if Sohei isn't unique then I don't know what to say. Sure he needs some tweaks, but that's to be expected after a fresh release.

[@uglahboi6074]

I came back a few weeks ago and already dropped it again. Modern For Honor just seems so flaccid compared to what it once was. All of the life and uniqueness of the game got sucked out when as they tried to balance around competitive viability (why tf does everybody have dodge/recovery cancels now)

[@jacobaderholdt7233]

as someone that quit this game for 6 to 7 months and just recently came back for occasional games, rank 250, used to be lawbringer main but solely play glad now agree that orochi is broken and playing glad makes me sad even tho he has amazing moveset and gameplay, deflect feels weak when everyone has hyper armor to hyper armor it out

[@DaRealFantomas]

As a former Lb main who quit for honor because they made my main worse than he was I watch fh videos and actually have fun

[@raymondknox4914]

Us lb mains need you

[@TheSuperSpud]

I shall play the law in your name, I promise we shall have jisyice

[@ardaoguzhan8181]

Worse than he was? He was the best duelist in the game before the rework tf are you on

[@TheSuperSpud]

@@ardaoguzhan8181 hence, he is now worse, when a rework should make a character better Also I think best duellist in the game is a tad bold

[@ardaoguzhan8181]

@@TheSuperSpud he was implying LB was bad before rework too which is objectively false

[@eatbillieeilish]

just delete the whole game and do us all a favor. 🥰

[@SolidSol69]

If we do that then I unfortunately won't have imposter syndrome to blame all my problems on 😭

[@eatbillieeilish]

@@SolidSol69 hey look

[@brendonmann3179]

@@SolidSol69 just keep the same animation team and make a whole new studio to make for honor 2

[@fouchi3203]

from For Honor to Por Favor

[@dropgoba6773]

Cringe

[@damienwilborn1511]

I just wanted to thank you for making me laugh while playing this god forsaken game

[@The.CleanGoblin]

4:16 ain’t no Way He just casually drops an ex-wife joke 💀

[@NinjaJDM]

It's cool to see you step into the comp world for a change, you should do more of these in future. I ended up taking a break from the game after I finished grinding my mains to 80, and tbh I just haven't felt the urge to come back yet as the game feels kinda stale imo. I'm probably gonna wait it out until the new char gets released

[@SolidSol69]

I'll dive more into the comp scene when they add a ranked 4v4 mode, but for now, i cant be helped since mm is such a mess.

[@candycorn-]

sol please. its not joe-over, its just joever, one word, please youre making me cry

[@SolidSol69]

No

[@armintor2826]

Its so joel ol' over 😔

[@candycorn-]

it is infact joever now

[@RegionYT]

Wasn’t their ranked dominion at the start of the game?

[@blstem5561]

ye and this is the whole fh development routine in a nutshell...

[@SolidSol69]

Yeap and they scrapped it even though 99% loved it.

[@larslenk9404]

Nobushi solid A tier. I have to agree.

[@UncreativeHandle48]

I heavily disagree. She has no opener, her lights are so easy to parry, her kick is reactable, the only thing she has is i frames on hidden stance and light dodge and amazing bleed damage, but that doesn’t matter if she can never get a hit in the first place.

[@ianperry8557]

Maybe in 2v2 game modes but 4s nah super underwhelming in my experience.

[@golgorothbloodoforyx]

@@UncreativeHandle48it’s a 4v4 tier list. She’s an amazing team fighter, but a trash duelist.

[@pjadtron9415]

@@UncreativeHandle48 she's not a duelist hero, she's insane in 4s but crap in 1s due to her slow kit. The main source of her power is the s and bleed stacking and ganking power.

[@UncreativeHandle48]

@@pjadtron9415 But even when in a gank, all you have to do is external block her and she can’t do anything, she’s only as good as the teammate she’s paired with. If you need another character constantly by your side than you’re not a character you’re a damage buff.

[@victornguyen1175]

For Honor is the only fighting game that's played by people who have no interest in fighting game balance, it's a clown fiesta

[@corralmcneil]

I'm surprise that Shaman is rated over Gladiator.

[@soyboy6]

she has a 50/50

[@UpperRobin29]

I'm 1000% in favor of trimming down the roster and getting rid of some characters that just dont need to be in the game

[@mrhouse5133]

New hero trailer peeked my interest, might be the first hero I actually buy since Kyoshin. However in regards to me my top 3 highest rep heroes; Kensei - 50 Warden - 40 Jorm -30

[@alphahuntz2924]

5:47 ah yes suffering.. couldnt agree more

[@ConvergingWinter]

Conq needs a rework ngl they cooked when they gave him an undodgeable. All they needed to do was fix the animations. Its so sad seeing conq get reworked like 2-3 times and the one with the zone block is the least problematic

[@kentuckyfriedchildren5385]

I have 22 reps on Aramusha and can confidently say, he is absolute dogshit, I liked him back when he had to go top light if he chained lights and had faster side heavies, back then you'd get punished for just spamming lights and you could actually use the quick heavies to mix in lights, heavies, soft lights and actually have a decent time playing, he was still a worse berserker with 0 hyper armour, but he felt playable, he's felt like ass to play ever since the rework, also his full block is worthless, the small timing makes it a worse parry, since you can feint a parry attempt, but you get easily punished for full blocking, it doesn't even do any significant damage to justify how risky it is. They just made him clunkier and slower with no real benefit, ring the bell from heavies was not worth the massive slow down of his kit

[@mattL---]

Did something change since orochis last buff rework a couple years ago? I don’t ever remember seeing orochis in tourneys n stuff. Why all of a sudden he’s S tier? Thought he was A tier at most

[@craigcrawford3368]

I play orochi because it is my anime waifu. There is no other reason needed. Gear looks great and the mechanics are easy

[@chasehartman]

Orochi should just straight up be gutted at this point I literally don’t care about any of the orochi players just completely nerf the character into the ground

[@MutatedOnion]

All top characters are light heavy 50/50

[@ficedulamortis6434]

Except at top level it isn’t like that. 50/50’s simply don’t exist at top level

[@no.life_5793]

i love//hate this good//godawful game. Still, best ubisoft has to offer. Don't like fighting VG, but that's probably a skill issue.

[@Tonyc816]

I feel like in terms of Vagina Guard or how ever you say it. The reason for that long stun is that the target swap system is so shit that they gave enough time to be able to "work" with their shitting coding. So, doing like ubi does instead of addressing the problem, they buried it beneath a char and called it good. Here's an analogy that i think can relate to this: Let's say i have an absolutely attrocius face, just the ugliest mf imaginable, and i want to try and look better, so i go get an acne mask to help. I put it on and take it off when its time to come off. I look in the mirror and say "damn you look good." Except I dont.. My face is still hideous. I just wanted to say that because i dislike that char😁

[@SolidSol69]

true, but if they still made it faster, it would be a higher skill curve instead of letting it be easy mode to target swap.

[@Tonyc816]

​@SolidSol69 I agree. I feel it should be faster. But at the same time it's not an excuse, when I pop revenge and one person gets knocked down from it and I target swap to the active players cuming for my life 'pause' and not the guy defenseless laying spread eagle ready to take it all, and get my free damage that I worked my ass off to get revenge for the once in a generation that it get it. Oh and great video btw❤

[@Tonyc816]

I agree. However it's still no excuse that one of the main mechanics of the game doesn't work as intended. I can't tell you how many times I work my ass for in babysits for revenge just for me to lock on to one of the three people cuming for my life and not the guy or girl(I don't judge) lying spread eagle ready to take all the damage I have. Oh and great video btw❤

[@goosemanVEVO]

Orochi just has an amazing offensive and evasive moveset and has both undodgable and unblockable attacks, on top of a bash. Not the best bash ever, granted. But his toolkit is very strong. If you're absolutely cracked and can react to and parry him reliably then you shouldnt have that much trouble. But unfortunately Im not 16 anymore and my reflexes arent in adderall boosted korean kid tier. So I have trouble reacting to a lot of his fast offense most of the time. Its at its worst in team fights where my attention is divided between who Im fighting and whats going on around me.

[@nuttyslayer420]

Came back to for honor the whole game changed and am not sure if its for the better instead of balancing they gave up and removed a bunch of moves that made the characters unique

[@LocksVid]

Is lawbringer good? Havent played for a while plz halp (im getting clapped)

[@Boom3120]

he's ok, not good tho

[@APureCatholicState2438]

He is shit right now

[@aresloya]

Take a shot every time Sol talks about shinobi😂

[@utkunkaya8770]

Yo solidsol can you also link the og tierlist video too? I would like to listen his reasoning too.

[@SolidSol69]

They dont do a video. Its just a reddit post!

[@mesicniavenger7256]

Orochi was good Heroes those who play him on skill And normally they know He didnt diserve this nerf

[@leflavito.]

The witcher 3 soundtrack in the background is just 👌

[@ExtradaemonYT]

Which song is it?

[@manz7860]

Me who just commited to Conq 😂

[@armintor2826]

Dont worry, his fashion doesnt get better.

[@manz7860]

@@armintor2826 I can do ok with him. It just sucks having to get his t2 before he feels scary

[@juiceboxbzrk]

​@@armintor2826 tf? conq got drip game.

[@juiceboxbzrk]

​@@manz7860play the character nobody plays and once you're good you'll dominate

[@SolidSol69]

Keep in mind, this is for comp games, not mm. Conq can work fine against 90% of players, but he lacks damage.

[@roamdhong]

What makes some mixups reactable vs not? Especially unblockable ones. The parry flash is the same, is it the animation? Should I be looking strictly for animations for a lot of attacks? I just can't fathom how Glad and Pirate are dogshit duelists cause they fuck my shit up alot. And I have a 200ms reaction time so I don't think I should be struggling that hard.

[@SolidSol69]

It is purely animation. Glad is easy hero to fight if you can react to animations and orange, but if you cant, its actually a strong hero. Same for pirate. Parry flash is much harder to do as you'll need to be hyper focused.

[@roamdhong]

@@SolidSol69 Ok I'll have to go into training grounds and see what the animation looks like once it reaches the point of no return. For Glad I want to say he really LUNGES into you with the trident when he is gonna throw it through. Thanks.

[@aidangoodwin7031]

I main Gladiator, although admittedly I haven't played nearly as much as some others. I notice that to consistently win duels with glad I have to deflect into the skewer. Almost no one is going to let you get that skewer off without the deflect.

[@asoomi7063]

8:33 Oh no, my not historically accurate game has a "gasp" woman in it even though they alternate between releasing men and women 🤯

[@christiananzivino1802]

I mean really every character should just have both but they won’t do that

[@Poosniffa]

Fr can anybody who cries about DEI even explain what it means? Or why its bad for that matter?

[@stackingcoins4304]

How do you test your reaction time?

[@LeFisheboi]

8:35 they alternate gender every hero, not everything is historically accurate and never has been and doesnt need too either. People need to shut up on the DEI stuff. I dont think monks were teleporting, romans weren't fighting the Samurai and Mongolians, flintlocks dont have infinite ammo, etc etc. A slight historical inaccuracy will not end you bro

[@hrupalwens5001]

Genuinely, the thing that made me quit For Honor after coming back was Orochi. I was having a good time playing the Highlander rework, but Orochi being in every single game was just making me too frustrated with the game.

[@manz7860]

How do you lose to roach with all that hyperarmor lol

[@hrupalwens5001]

@@manz7860 gosh golly you’re right man! I should be defeating every single roach with my unbeatable hyper armor!

[@cameronheffner3643]

@@hrupalwens5001 skill issue

[@Blooddiamonds188]

​@@hrupalwens5001ngl, thighLander is ridiculous ATM.

[@JC-td1bt]

@@hrupalwens5001 crying about Roach when you play Highlander is kind of crazy😭

[@manifysto3260]

Where do you watch tournaments at?

[@SolidSol69]

They stream this at their twitch page. forhonorgame is their channel. You can check their vods out.

[@manifysto3260]

@@SolidSol69 thank you!

[@blstem5561]

common.. look at the whole c tier roaster and forget about the whole meta bs..

[@Noexela]

Don’t ever bring up histrionical accuracy in a game where the characters with the least amount of armor have the most hyper-armor😂 8:30

[@fjeppesen]

Anyone know what song is playing at 47.29?

[@Disgraced_Music]

My impatient ass can't play against anybody faster than conq lol

[@donsimons9810]

Everyone has to have imposter syndrome nowadays to fit in. That’s an incredibly new term everyone - not everyone has it

[@donsimons9810]

love your channel!

[@ZILYAT]

i've been maining shamen for the past week or so and i'm a rep 4 with her now. i honestly think she's complete shit, but still fun.

[@BloodyVeel]

4vs4 Ranked? Where when 😂 1vs1 Ranked , 3000 latency above diamond + 1000 of videos on scripts FH and competitive . Counter Strike 1.6 from year 2000 have better protection and competitive gameplay.

[@manrommav9240]

What is "high lvl players"? FH has no mmr system, how do you decide that player A is high rank and player B is casual or something?

[@SolidSol69]

Theres 2 categories for myself personally as its important to define this. High level players in mm are just players who understand most of the fundamentals of for honor to be a good player but execution is not consistent. Comp level players are a cut above the rest because they practice the most optimal setups and know the ins and outs of every variable in competitive games.

[@DmytroBogdan]

You love that Witcher 3 song don't you?

[@OhjiiGlacier]

Shugo at most, high B tier. Compared to the rest of the roster, he's easy to counter. Neutral bash is easy to dosge, lights are relatively easy to parry, heavies have some of the worst hyper armor in the game compared to other heroes,; only thing hes got going is his variable timed heavies but even then those are easy to parry. Most characters can out trade him with how extensive other heroes combos are with Shugo throwing 2 heavies and waits. Simply too easy to apply pressure on him

[@KiDD2Keen]

This list proved to me that “high level” players are either not that good or have little imagination lol

[@ficedulamortis6434]

Or that imagination doesn’t work in a setting where you have 125ms reaction monsters.

[@bllitss]

facts

[@zZastik]

One thing I love about this game is once you think you are at your max skill you learn something new to add to your experience. Keep in mind I’m relatively new. Rep 25 overall on PS5 and Xbox. Switched over to. PS5.

[@larslenk9404]

@@zZastik true.

[@Fluzzel]

Am i the only one who doesn't care about ganking gamemodes and plays only duels?

[@myrmidongoomba1667]

Duel and brawls are all I play

[@vaBOOGER]

Nubu in A?

[@ardaoguzhan8181]

Pirate at S tier is hilarously dumb lmaoo. She feeds so much revenge, does almost no damage and her pin is just bad. She's just a decent staller with dodge recoveries and feats, she's a worse tiandi in every way how the hell is tiandi below her is mind baffling

[@knightmare1267]

This is for the highest tier of play.

[@ardaoguzhan8181]

@@knightmare1267 Yes at the highest pirate sucks does nit damage, feeds insane revenge and her pin is way too slow.

[@kalebmark2908]

you lost me at the DEI comment m8, it's a game not everything has to be historically accurate.

[@Xiu83]

Kensei SSS Tier You cannot change my mind.

[@michaelcarver5994]

God Kensei, God Warden, God LBs, God Cents, just feels like there's no options because they have clairvoyance.

[@ElbowlegsYT]

450ms 💀

[@TheSuperSpud]

Honesty just let slanderous cook for a testing grounds or two he has some crazy good ideas, if it works out, let him in on more stuff so the game is actually fun

[@knightmare1267]

Slanderous ☠️

[@0Just_a_dude-being_a_Guy0]

4 big guys

[@skeletonboy3383]

As an orochi main his whole point is to dodge attack and every sweat parries every dodge attack giving a free heavy even when i predict they parry my lights 😢

[@OnAMoonlitPath]

If fucking play the whole game believing a characters soul purpose is to utilize dodge attack at every possible corner. Then you need to stop drinking low doses of rat poisoning with your nightly lobotomy, yank NOT pull your head straight out your ass AND PRESS OTHER BUTTONS. If you keep spamming the same stupid predictable shit even the most amateur of the average player base will use those little blueberry cheeks of yours as a MOP FOR THE HORSE PEN.

[@ianperry8557]

Proud,annoying ass, 4v4 pirate player here

[@alitas.de.pollo8726]

for honor enjoyable uhm idk man

[@frostblasts]

For Honor balancing is whack, the pollaxe user with the heaviest armor is the lowest tiered character.

[@sbevenine2055]

Ya know, strong in real life or in the actual media doesn't equal it being as strong in the game Like in Dragon Ball Fighterz, UI Goku is a low tier in that game

[@LordThatch]

@@sbevenine2055no?

[@jonaichi_09]

​@@sbevenine2055Sure, but it shouldn't equal it being weak either... Like comon, we can make that argument both ways. But hey I do like to see LB players kicking my butt every now and then. It's rare but some people play him very well.

[@UzumakiTaco420]

any hero i main is an S tier

[@JC-td1bt]

So Orochi is is the best hero in the game better then Shinobi, Afeera, Highlander, VG, Shaolin, Ocelotl, BP, Kyoshin,Tiandi? Gtfoh

[@sbevenine2055]

Yes

[@JC-td1bt]

@@sbevenine2055 no

[@sbevenine2055]

@@JC-td1bt Yes

[@JC-td1bt]

@@sbevenine2055 yea ur delusional 😭

[@sbevenine2055]

@@JC-td1bt Yeah ur also delusional The fact that the best players and huge percentage of the community says that his the best, while you're thinking everyone else is wrong is delusional as fuck lmao

[@belabohlen6156]

Orochi was literally the only remaining hero that allowed the use of a brain, prob gonna change that soon

[@TheTTrueNoxian]

Lol sure

[@belabohlen6156]

Yeah they should just remove anything that has any kind of skill to it. We already removed half the cool rewarding moves in the game like Orochi heavy deflect etc. We should just do those "skilled" players that still play this crap a favour and remove everything besides the r1, r2 circle key and dodge attacks so they can finally have this fun skill based game that they want for so long. Also lets make a katana swing as fast as a greataxe... oh wait we already did that years ago

[@mohammadrezaghorbani2410]

Pirate is D

[@dontgettookoff]

this game fucking sucks

[@RavenWolfGaming]

First! ❤ - NIGHTFIRE003