Dating women made me understand men

[@AnnaAkana]

One quick note on this. The line I said "the amount of kisses promised didn't equal the amount of kisses delivered" can be interpreted as problematic and I want to clarify that ANYONE HAS THE RIGHT TO REVOKE CONSENT AT ANY TIME. I just thought it was a funny thing to say, and was bummed that we didn't make out cause she was very pretty & intelligent. However I am not entitled to anyone's body, and they are free to not make out with my face if they don't want to anymore. In this specific situation, I think we were both merely afraid to make the first move, but want to clarify for those who may take it in the way it isn't intended to be: just a funny little line I thought of.

[@TJHooper123]

The sad part is that you had to put this disclaimer for the minority of people who don't think you know what consent is. The rest of us get it. You made a joke. P.S. welcome to the darkside.

[@SamanthaRichardsonWP]

Now you experience the wlw problem of no one making the first move ever because women have been socialised to "be pursued" and not do the pursuing lest we be sluts. My dating women made me realise what a low, low bar men have in a relationship (I.e. don't be an arse). My bar for dating women was much higher, until I realised this and adjusted my bar for men 😊

[@EaglePlaneAnchor]

Because she was intelligent? Righhht..........🙄

[@multeyemeteor]

Hi Anna, I'm glad you clarified it, even though I personally never felt that you honestly meant it in any problematic way. I decided to comment on it above, because it to me is an interesting topic that is both scary and tremendously important to show both or several sides of, and I'm glad that me and some of my fellow commentors are getting the chance to share our opinions on the matter. You certainly shouldn't feel like you have to censor yourself going forward, just because one of your jokes sparked a discussion. Just the fact that you're willing to share some of your honest, spur of the moment feelings that might be thought of as questionable in hindsight, means that your channel is a space where you and your viewers can discuss complicated matters, even when there may be a bit of controversy. To me, that's beyond awesome and thank you for providing that! :)

[@kellyvega6372]

@@EaglePlaneAnchor people can be attracted to other people just because of their intelligence or talent more than their appearance.

[@viktorijaputriute3607]

After talking about paying on dates. I sent a message to my date that I am thankful that he paid for it and now I will be more aware about it.

[@iansinclair6256]

And that will make a big impression on him. You will stand out in his mind. Men like to feel important and appreciated too.

[@wagnerwong9966]

👏👏👏

[@LemanRussx]

Take this like

[@zynababdelhameed4157]

Viktorija Putriute I always do this even if I don’t like the guy and with my girlfriends. It’s a great gesture.

[@PuzzleMessage]

So you didn't even thank him for paying for your food in the moment it happened? wow.

[@BlackInfinity]

"I don't feel like she likes me for me, she just wants a boyfriend" oh the accuracy!

[@brandoncutler09]

@Thelondonbadger 😂

[@Grumpy_old_Boot]

And sometimes …. "boyfriend" = "boyfriend's wallet"

[@boristheamerican2938]

You can turn that around as well.

[@iunderstanphotography2780]

I didn’t get this one

[@Riprie]

Correction, she just wants a "guy friend". Aka he will have to stear clear if some other guy she likes hits on her and have to be a bodyguard if someone she doesn't like hits on her.

[@NES_125]

When you go out with the homies just to chill everyone pitches in and if one is broke at the moment we got him. That’s bro code

[@ryanrodriguez4535]

This is the way.

[@angusbritcher8731]

God dame right BRO CODE

[@adamhartley5104]

51/50 we live by that. If I got it and you don't we both eat good. If you got it and I don't we still eating good. Shout out to all the homies that live like this. #SquadOverMoney Any day!

[@sfctapia4529]

This is the most realistic dating females I have ever heard 😂😂😂

[@sfctapia4529]

So anna aconda are you still dating women or did you go back to men? 😂🍪

[@TonyHalle]

The idea of two women going on a date and just staring at the check is lowkey hilarious 😂 almost as funny as her not paying when SHE asked YOU out 💀

[@Young_Dab]

What I've noticed with same gender couples like 2 females on a date is that the unspoken social construct is that even though they're both girls, it's still expected of the girl with slightly more masculine traits to pay for the date.

[@tyronesimon3742]

She must've seen her as the masculine stud in that situation.

[@ITZ_ONLY_YOUR_HIMANSHU]

Ew 🥴

[@piccalillipit9211]

YES - like neither have any idea what to do at this point. "WOW that cheque is not paying itself, whats wrong...?"

[@basnaspe4578]

@@Young_Dab Wow...that's interesting, tbh. Never would ahve thought of that.

[@zzxp1]

lol girl that is just the demo wait for the full package with hits like : - I cheated on you and it was your fault. - I will be angry all the day and never tell you the reason. - My best friend partner does (insert X) for her. - I will give clear hints that im totally into you and the next day treat you as a total stranger. And my favorite: - I don't want to be with you but also don't want to see you with anyone else.

[@glowhoo9226]

You forgot about he zodiac girls, gotta watch out for them

[@Starfox371]

You forgot: "but you make more money than me, why should i have to help with rent?"

[@brandonchai9318]

I got the first one.

[@darkyoumemento5307]

Some of this stuff is actually more common of guys, but I think you're just describing sucky people.

[@stevensmith3118]

Luis Ah, track 5. That takes me back to high school

[@BlueEyedAmerican]

I went on a date with this one girl and she stayed on her phone the whole time. So I finished my food quick, Went to the register paid for my half of the meal and left.

[@masonrawls6436]

That’s the way it should be done

[@joaokiwi2543]

My man !

[@Niniisaac]

LOL NICE ONE!! WHAT WAS HER REACTION!?😀😂😭😭😭

[@BlueEyedAmerican]

@@Niniisaac didn't stick around to find out

[@rguz333]

You sir are a hero

[@JustanotherYoutuber771]

As a woman, I’ve never liked the argument of “women pay so much money and put in so much effort to look good for a date so the man should pay”. It puts so much pressure on women to always go above and beyond just for physical appearance. I like to invest my money in other things, am I wrong for doing that because as a woman it’s my job to look good for a guy? Nope. It’s not an obligation for me to spend money on makeup and it isn’t an obligation for him to pay for my dinner.

[@scarletice]

It's also rather dismissive of the time, effort, and money a lot of men put into their appearance.

[@niklas5771]

Very true. If a man would buy a 2k watch and an expensive suit for a date would he be suddenly inclinded to have his meal paid for? Of course not. No one is responsible for one person buying expensive things to look good. Both parties should pay for their own meal if they are not yet in a relationship.

[@JewTube001]

@@scarletice As a man I put about 3 hours getting ready for a date. I find it strange she and the OP assume I just roll in there as if I just got out of bed or something. I don't wear makeup but I need to do everything else there, manicure, wash my hair, save, moisturize, manscape, dry my hair, trim my nose hair etc. I'm not born looking this way you know.

[@shoelacedonkey]

@@JewTube001 I truly hope you're joking. Three hours to get ready would be long even if you were getting married that day...

[@Free_Palestine_from_israel]

You are right 😊

[@tadghsmith1457]

You've barely scratched the surface. The rabbit-hole goes deeper than you can ever imagine.

[@Stumbo99]

Its like alice in wonderland

[@iamtheoriginal9142]

I dated alice

[@YouHaveGreatMusicTaste]

Im dead is true tho

[@RPD1175]

Tadgh Smith I’m high and this slaps.

[@tadghsmith1457]

Rest assured, I’ve been there as well.

[@mariaakrivouli5847]

"the amount of kisses promised didn't equal the amount of kisses delivered" haha I love this 😂

[@multeyemeteor]

Now imagine a guy saying that, and watch all the alarm bells go off.

[@3666-z6l]

@@multeyemeteor ikr

[@yayo0]

multeyemeteor i don’t get why you’re mad about it? That’s literally at the bottom of the list on world problems

[@multeyemeteor]

@@yayo0 Don't worry, I'm not mad about it at all. :) [Warning: Wall of text incoming] I can see how it could come off as that, but the point that I didn't make, but which kind of goes along with my comment is that, while (as a guy) it's great to see that Anna is acknowledging that empowerment isn't the same as equality, and that gender roles still very much exist in modern dating, but that we should also still be careful not to confuse expectations with entitlements. And secondly that everyone here (including me) finds it adorable, when Anna said "the amount of kisses promised didn't equal the amount of kisses delivered", but if a man had said it, everyone here (including me) would find it borderline predatory. But there's no outrage in this observation, I feel everyone has the right to change their mind, as much as everyone else has the right to feel disappointed, as long as it stays at that. It was just an observation, which I'm not entirely sure what to do with yet. :)

[@yayo0]

multeyemeteor in what way is it borderline predatory?

[@gregmalden9809]

"Doesn't offer to pay" "Doesn't say thank you" "Never hear from her again" This is just too perfect

[@themeatballcommander]

This is one of those moments where I understand why old bitter guys in literally every facet of life laugh at the newbie who got the same treatment they did

[@andydossel5642]

The holy trinity of dating gold diggers

[@Issachar96]

Lmfao she’s only felt 1% of what men feel . Let that sink in.

[@jaredreynold6336]

When u get this kind of one-sided interactions, be rude! Express her or his faultiness or live with the leash/ an imbalanced relationship without a clue for happiness!

[@Lazarus231]

Lol

[@riddell26]

Whats stuck with me the most out of any relationship is what my last ex said was her reason for breaking up. She said "You are just too stable". That one statement has literaly destroyed any desire to put myself out there again. I just cant understand what that even means.

[@TheGeckoNinja]

it means you're not the exciting toxic bad boy that these women pretend they don't want.

[@wcjerky]

It means you dodged a bullet. The problem ain't you.

[@D402S]

What the hell is even "you are just too stable" supposed to mean?

[@TheGamer2001]

That's exactly how men have behaved throughout the entire history. How do you like your bs being thrown back at you, men?

[@kayskreed]

You dodged a nuclear armed ballistic missile, friend.

[@imposter0shadow]

I feel like she just used me for a free meal All men in Ace Ventura voice: Reeeeaaaalllllyyyyyyy

[@fixer1140]

Like a glovvvvvvvvvve

[@imposter0shadow]

@@fixer1140 Allllllrigghty then

[@dr3dful1]

😂

[@alfx5432]

That so true.

[@lordmogg-wright5467]

When the date ends poorly: "Down, Bubba!"

[@Boris99999]

I once dated a girl that made fun of me for having “childish” hobbies. I first didn’t think much about that fact but soon she started make fun of everything I said (even if the things I told her were like absolute 100% facts!) At that time I thought she was just innocently pranking me. But then I noticed that every time we meet she uses any excuse to joke that I was dumb and she is smart. Then I got to know she was really insecure about her not being able to finish college and working as a cashier while me being a university graduate and working as a software developer. Needles to say I got fed up with her attitude and dumped her. Right now I’m married to the love of my life - and she is a huge nerd for lego and Warhammer 40k just like me. What I got out of my bad experience in dates - don’t waste your time on people that don’t want to respect your hobbies!

[@crowlypa]

Somehow I knew, instantly, when I read 'childish' it would be 40k. No shame, obviously, Warhammer is life.

[@Boris99999]

@@crowlypa For the Emperor! lol

[@dantesparda4493]

Lego and Warhammer 40k? Holy shet that's a double bonus

[@Boris99999]

@@dantesparda4493 Yup! Exactly! Also we play as a team in overwatch and in HOTS (it’s like dota only by Blizzard)

[@oskarlibner172]

Mate The Emperor protects !

[@Thebeyond131]

The problem in situation a is that She asked u Out, that means She paying

[@limweimin3250]

Splitting would be fine cause your phone is basically a calculator

[@mtsEnrique]

I've been asked out and always payed

[@Thebeyond131]

@@mtsEnrique u got played

[@Thebeyond131]

@@limweimin3250 that too

[@DyadintheForce]

lol - "Hi. Would you like to pay for din--- I mean go to dinner sometime?"

[@dabrams84]

My suggestion for dating is plan something that you already want to spend your time doing and invite the people you're interested in to go with you. Think of it as hanging out with a friend but maybe you're interested and maybe they are too! Maybe not. Put zero pressure or expectations on either of you. Just repeat that process.

[@patrickheney9201]

Yep, this was always my approach. I'm gonna do the thing anyway. It'd be nice if you joined me.

[@ultimaxkom8728]

Actually a solid A+ tier advice. Unfortunate that it's underrated. Wouldn't have seen it were I stopped scrolling early.

[@Temporalplace]

Ok, lets invite her to paintball

[@TheShamansQuestion]

I did this recently (not a frequent dater) and it actually made it bearable/enjoyable. It's still painful when it comes to having the brutal/honest discussions afterwards and having to start up with someone again or the wait between matching with someone else, but I recommend it because going out and seeing places makes you a more seasoned and cultured individual (I went to bars and eateries I never would have). And that builds confidence which is key to eventual dating success and I've noticed it increased my dates.

[@sashaharu]

Yep, that's my choice. Just making bonds with human you interested in

[@TacynMegan]

A girl literally said to me “Let’s go out , your treat!” Yeah .. never talked/heard of her afain

[@briannalee1998]

Tracyn I've tried to pay on dates, but my boyfriend (who I've been with for 2 years) won't let me pay because he says it'll hurt his pride. He did let me but him lunch a few times, then he said it hurt his pride and that he will never let it happen again. I find it hilarious and sweet and I'm grateful that it keeps my wallet full, it I also feel bad because I don't ever want to take advantage of him. That girl sounds like she took advantage of you though, I hope she at least said thank you.

[@mohammed0almasri]

@@briannalee1998 saying your treat or you're paying sounds like "i only want your money and i dont care about you" While generally men usually insist on paying because us men were raised in a certain way where we must always be tough confident and provide a nice house, cars, and money. And if we don't we start to feel shamed and emasculated. For example, when some little boys cry instead of having their parents ask what's wrong or why are they crying they get told "men don't cry" and get shamed for it; implying that their feelings are meaningless and shouldn't be shown. So most men feeling obligated to pay and wont mind doing so; unless, they start to feel used or its more than what they can afford.

[@cosimoto8700]

I only tell my bf hes paying bc we've dated for 3yrs and we equally spend on money on each other. Most of the time I dont actually have to ask bc we've talked about how it would be nice to treat each other once in a while.

[@frostycanine]

Brianna Lee I’ve only been with my girlfriend for a short while, but every time we go to get food or go places, she tries to pay for all of it lol. It’s not so much a pride thing with me, but I do like to be fair, so we’re working on it and paying equally now. Kinda weird because I expected her to want me to pay for everything.

[@OniNoFro]

Hypergamy rampant

[@Rmunkay]

Gotta be honest, both girls sitting on the couch talking for hours waiting for the other girl to make the first move is funny as hell.

[@gordonlawrence1448]

Yep.

[@magieenvtuber9783]

xd

[@BUSTERy]

Could you imagine how long it would take a lesbian couple to pick where they want to get food or anything really?!

[@magieenvtuber9783]

@@BUSTERy going into assumption like: "all girls are the same" is not healthy and this is low key sexism

[@Adrian-uw8gv]

@@magieenvtuber9783 relax... He probably meant a lesbian couple like this two girls and was trying to make a joke

[@anc7643]

Pro tip for dating women: if a girl turns you down because she's "too complicated for you," you dodged a bullet

[@alexjackson1863]

Pro tip for dating women: if a girl turns you down, you dodged a bullet

[@animator4287]

@Fantassin de Guillaulme LOL

[@fs5866]

Pro tip: if you get turned down multiple times, you're in the Matrix cause only Neo could dodge that many bullets

[@tony2tone06]

Well said!!!

[@wernerboden239]

Don't worry, there's still a good chance on the next one.

[@_silence_rina]

I'm a bisexual woman and I find dating other women really hard because I feel like in most cases, they don't express their wants. Even if there are some hints, I'm just scared that I'm misreading the situation.

[@aronnemcsik]

"I'm just scared that I'm misreading the situation" exactly like guys exept if you misread it it might just comes of as an emberassing situation. If we misread it it will end on the court.

[@PSINXS]

If women stated what they want guys would have less trouble. I digress

[@Valhalla.Studio]

That's exactly on point! "Scared that I'm misreading" the situation is what we feel all the time, and it can be very draining and exhausting sometimes.

[@sassiehealzyo]

I'm bisexual too and dating women can be difficult. From my experience, it's a lot of indirect communication but that has also helped me to see that I should work on being more direct myself. It can be really hard to read between the lines because sometimes we see/hear what WE want and not what they are indirectly saying. lol

[@pattykrabbies]

Oof yeah, women tend to be too polite to say what they want lmao 😂 I’m guilty of this if I’m not familiar with the person

[@brojermainejenkins]

Just another example of: "Its not real until it happens to you." - Human Beings 101

[@newtdevaychet]

Huge statement

[@jimnapier7087]

Yep... the simple idea of putting yourself in the other person's position brings an epiphany of clarity. This should have been realized by women long ago!

[@brojermainejenkins]

@@jimnapier7087 never should expect anyone (male or female) to empathize in your circumstances. We are human. And she is still a women regardless if she sleeps with other women. She has the same tendencies and DNA imprint. They cannot empathize with our struggles just like we cannot empathize with their struggles. This is why I believe it is not coming from a genuine place. Even her disclaimer shows its in her DNA.

[@danblaize5742]

Cannot...stop...pounding...like button!

[@radhojordan8254]

U preachin out here

[@burnindownthehouse]

I'm a middle aged guy and I have a lesbian friend who is older than me and she has a lifetime of experience dating women. I really enjoy chatting with her because her stories of getting burned by manipulative women are basically the same as my stories of getting burned by manipulative women!

[@Tiger74147]

We're on the same team after all!

[@cheydinal5401]

Probably similar for people who date manipulative men and get burned by them, though, right?

[@redbaron07]

Lesbians who divorce (and there are a lot of them) list the same reasons for doing so that straight women do. It's just double the probability that one of them will feel that way.

[@VigilanceTech]

"never try and understand women. Women understand women and they HATE each other!" ~ Al Bundy

[@-SimonRiley]

​@@Tiger74147Lesbians make the best bros

[@brian.westersauce]

What’s funny is how surprising these realizations always are to women, rather than a relatively obvious or automatic extension of empathic understanding by the sex that usually claims to be so much more naturally in tune with others emotionally

[@bonfist7277]

They are more in tune with the emotions of people they can relate to, and that’s a small subset of people. Personally, I see a lot of them as very fake.

[@EditioCastigata]

What makes you ascribe elevated empathy to women in the first place?

[@secondchance6603]

"...when I came out as bi..." Y-A-W-N...

[@SemboMa]

@@EditioCastigata I believe they are claiming that women (falsely) ascribe it to themselves.

[@akamered4483]

We don't particularly claim so. Society claims it about us. And then, we take over than idea as it is one of the very few positives society is associating with women. Both sexes are capable of empathy to the same degree and both can refuse to participate in it. In reality, we are really not that different, we are much more similar on many levels than it might seem at first glance because guess what? We are all human.

[@chrisdmytriw1525]

Date Tip: Show her your Bionicle collection. If she’s willing to go on another date with you she’s a keeper.

[@aaronmontgomery2055]

Friend tip: slap your friend if he still has Bionicle, and tell him to get into gunpla

[@optc9059]

I lost all my Bionicles...

[@sparks418]

How do you get in your house on the first date tho

[@adamdominguez656]

Until she takes the Bionicles in the divorce.

[@chrisdmytriw1525]

Jri Sparks Ask her, “Wanna see my Bionicles?”

[@AliFrostinho]

Two men on a date. Check arrives. Pays double.

[@yvngnova8949]

“I got it bro” “Nah bro don’t worry about it” *riot breaks out*

[@pratikbrahma8709]

The waiter would be so happy with the tip. That sounded sexual.

[@sndsh1061]

Take it or leave it

[@kirbs_3378]

@@yvngnova8949 man, that happens a lot in Canada lol

[@yvngnova8949]

@Cameron Bell I know the feeling bro. He better stay down

[@simpboi4919]

So you’re telling me to date dudes too for me to understand women?

[@chevannesemendez6447]

Lmao 😂😂😂

[@jessevanderveen4363]

Yes I would download grinder if i were you

[@zsurvivalist7996]

Theoretically yes that would work.....but you'd have to be bisexual. If you don't though just look at other people's perspectives and advice and have a open mind as to how it would theoretically feel.

[@notareallin620]

... why don't you give it a try. This would be interesting to hear about.

[@justinroberts2424]

@@zsurvivalist7996 exactly. I've never dated a guy but I've analyzed situations involving both myself and not and put myself in their place and just really thought about how would I genuinely react. Changes your life man.

[@devstories-iv1mw]

This argument with "hours to get ready" and "makeup is expensive" is such a bs. No one is forcing you to do that

[@kaimoon4966]

Ya I agree. My gf doesn’t even wear makeup.

[@adolfhipsteryolocaust3443]

Also that's not the reason man are supposed to pay for dates, the reason is that women used to have no money since they didn't work so ghe man was supposed to pay, femminism made chivalry obsolete

[@Rubenz343]

I mean it's not their fault for being ugly without makeup 😂

[@Slabberchops]

Like they would prefer not to do all that s***. Don't listen to what wimin say, it's all bs.

[@seb0rn739]

Exactly. Men usually don't even about that stuff as much. Women just assume men care about it because women care about it.

[@mgcmsn]

It has always been extremely difficult for me to understand all these rituals associated with romantic relationships. Then I just stopped trying. And my life got better.

[@pablodemorais9320]

Much better

[@KoeSeer]

same lol. i haven't think about dating for the last 2 years and my life is actually going better. Less time sulking about dates, or thinking about being lonely. The most opened apps for the last 2 years? Games. Haven't checked tinder and such for almost a year. Heck, I even woke up at 6 everyday due to less overthinking at 2AM.

[@Anaryen91]

People need to stop thinking of what are the rituals and starting to think what they want. Simple communication through the date is enough to understand what type of person are you meeting with. If they are not ok with splitting the bill from the very beginning, simply cut the date short! You know you don't like the attitude of that person already so why suffer for next couple of hours? Just communicate clearly with them and a normal person will really appreciate it. If they don't, they're not worth your time.

[@mourningstar2000]

​@@KoeSeer are you ok with being alone for the rest of your life

[@bunille]

@@Anaryen91 That's what I always do. It's not the best if they lie or hide things (plus I am WAY too forgiving), but there have been a few people that I opened up to and was honest about everything from the very beginning/beforehand, it easily removed anyone who became a shitty person because of it.

[@mintyb9703]

I think that people have just to split the bill. No matter what gender

[@juliakowal399]

Lol

[@cheekylilac2306]

If a guy can't pay for dinner he shouldn't be taking anyone to dinner and work on trying to make more money

[@giftedwolf6671]

I disagree. Girls and guys have equal rights now, meaning a girl finally has the opportunity to make as much money as a guy. Guys and girls, or guys and guys, or girls and girls, should just split the bill. Easy and done

[@tamara9747]

@@giftedwolf6671 Yes, I agree. When I go on a date I always split the bill. I think it is kinda weird that women expect for men to pay on a first date.

[@scenekween666]

a lot of the time my husband covers meals because he makes more money than me. bills are split down the middle, though. 👍👍

[@skyguysXD]

It's genuinely sad how difficult and mentally draining the dating world is for everyone involved

[@jc918a-32]

Arranged marriage is the future. Nobody is happy, therefore an asset [happiness] is equally distributed disregarding merit, therefore everything is good

[@alaaye5237]

tsopmocful You don’t even know their gender and you act like dating is such a terrible thing, if you hate dating then don’t date.

[@tsopmocful1958]

@@alaaye5237 It doesn't matter what gender the reader of my comment is. And if you don't know what my comment is referring to then you are either blind, live under a rock or you are just a kid.

[@Jordan-db2og]

@@tsopmocful1958 lmao women are called toxic crazy gold digging bitches as a standard Men aren't the only ones being shat on

[@KuckooKokoa]

It’s only difficult if you let it be. People don’t communicate as much and try to fix the problem they let their pride get in the way sometimes too. But that doesn’t mean everyone is like that. The best thing to do is not to ware any more time on people who aren’t willing to fix their problems

[@goldberg91]

two girls on a date when the check arrives: confused screaming two guys on a date when the check arrives: im paying for it! no, let me pay for it!

[@Stevenjohe]

And endup in a epic bar fight, about who wins pay the ckeck. That's something we can except

[@716pfeast]

"I feel like she just used me for a free meal" Men: "only 1 free meal? You go off light."

[@porticoman]

Hell yes. I was used for a baby. Currently half way through 18 years of payments... 🙄

[@redlineriot8948]

@@porticoman damn. That's sad..

[@justyusaf]

James Franco: "First time?"

[@kevuseth8027]

"You gotta pump those numbers up. Those are rookie numbers."

[@jpbart1390]

@@porticoman so glad i married a woman who can't get pregnant. still together 21 years later.

[@Taaraazz]

I (female) paid for the first date with my current BF because I asked him out. Now we always split except for special occasions. Equality goes both ways!

[@gotnojams3679]

Never been on a date 😂but I agree with the logic or splitting the bill or who ever plans pays.

[@Otakutaanger]

Or just straight up equity lol

[@janelleguild3866]

You asked him out, so that's different.

[@MohamedNasserX]

It's a nice thing to do of you ,but to some men they would actually be upset , if they dont pay , It isnt about equality here I mean Its like you let them pay , to make them feel good And of course everyone is different.

[@mesa5734]

I refused to let my fiancé (he’s male, I’m female) pay for any of our dates. It wasn’t until we had been together for a few months that he finally said that he would have liked it if I allowed him to pay (and not have to owe him anything for it). We now take turns, but he tends to do it more often since he keeps expressing his desire to do so. I really don’t think women should expect it, but it really depends on the person. It’s not my preference and I don’t like feeling like I need to owe someone something for paying for a date, which was how I used to feel. Paying for myself made me feel in control of the situation I was in since I didn’t need to pay back anything to the person I was on the date with. They couldn’t turn around and say “well, I paid for this so you owe me a ‘favour.’ Turns out my fiancé was not that kind of guy anyway.

[@pandawarrior218_8]

Just wait till she ghosts you only to reappear when she sees you talking to other girls

[@Redd_Nebula]

or dumps you for someone she thinks is better only to come back after you when they dump her for someone better XD

[@pandawarrior218_8]

@@Redd_Nebula That's when you hit her with the "cry me a river"

[@Redd_Nebula]

@@pandawarrior218_8 I did, there are too many guys with no self esteem that would take her back if they were in my position though :/

[@easymoney1661]

this is golden

[@jcsmooth70]

Yup love that move. And then I say new phone who dis?

[@russbutton9347]

Boomer here. Back in the 80s, being feminist meant that you were independent and responsible. Most of the time, you went Dutch and paid your portion of expenses because being independent meant you didnʻt want to be bought. On a first date, it was typical that the person who made the invitation paid for everything. If the other person wanted to pay part of it, there was no big deal about it. Thatʻs what being equal means.

[@christianbergmann8114]

One experience was really funny. We sat down in the café and were talking, suddenly she says "sorry, you're not my type, I gotta go!". I was like, "uhm alright, no problem. I'll stay a little longer, I like the place". Suddenly she went from that to "uh oh, now I feel bad" I said "Oh, don't mind, it's totally okay". She stood up. Sat down. Stood up again. Looked inside her handbag. "I'll pay for everything!!!!". I said "You don't have to, I'll just relax here" 😂. Everything was so weird about it haha she was completely confused. Then she went out and I ordered something, I kinda felt funny, I was smiling all the time, because I couldn't grasp what happened.

[@youwilllaugh3136]

Kudos to you for handling it the right way. Did she reach up o you later?

[@etistyle96]

this is real taoïsm

[@arnavrawat9864]

What happened was that she was nervous, she felt a really strong repelling force but was also split between the social anxiety of being the pariah, and the maybe also regretting hurting you

[@kirdref9431]

That woman sounds honest and quite decent. She might be good for someone else. Better she told you right away.

[@Shadders2010]

@@arnavrawat9864 I feel like we've low-key normalized shallowness and snubbing people.

[@feifeifeifeife]

Did not even think you were making a sexual pun, since you know your a crazy cat lady.

[@athier5898]

@@isabellajohnston1923 but she is crazy for cats.

[@djkeino]

you’re*

[@Morganstudios]

And she didn't use the p word

[@fijiapples5122]

Wesly Vargas you’re**

[@fijiapples5122]

@Pip Jackson There** grammar** you're*** it's**

[@ajtrujillo21]

She missed the most important one.... having to be the one to ask the girl out and getting rejected.

[@scott49140]

had that my whole life, thats why i dont bother anymore

[@doom-driveneap4569]

Bro its even worse when you’ve already smashed a girl; then she rejects you after lmfao. Then you’re like oh ok this was a 1 night stand my bad 😂😂😂 “Don’t even worry about it I’ll stop inviting you” 💔💔💔 🤧 *Cries*

[@Gravy1255]

@@doom-driveneap4569 if you bang a girl day 1 yall probably shouldn't date.

[@doom-driveneap4569]

@@Gravy1255 you’re probably right but I was in love after a few hours lmaoo 😂 It wasn’t just physical though I was attracted to her personality too and she was cracking jokes making me laugh which girls never do so I was like oh this girl wifey lmao 💔💔💔

[@varun-xu8gv]

@@doom-driveneap4569 I guess she is a actually a nice girl but had some rough time lately and was just looking for some good time

[@djsickbeatz4005]

I always ask pretty girls at the bar to buy me a drink. It never works and but I think it’s funny.

[@kenburns4547]

True story, I was driving with my friend and saw two girls hitchhiking, so I flip them off because of "equality" So my friends sees them and says "HEY, TWO CHICKS! STOP THE CAR!" I kept driving, and he says "why are they giving us the finger?" LOL

[@atpcliff]

I read about a girl who was around 23? when she first realized that some women pay for stuff in bars or restaurants. It had never happened to her to have to pay.

[@bovrar2nd861]

LEGEND

[@kenburns4547]

@@atpcliff Well 23 is a woman's age of peak fertility; which is not coincidentally why Playboy's "Playmate of the Year" are typically that age, and the average age of marriage is no later: since men are hard-wired to spot the outward signs of this in a woman's face and body, and be most attracted to it. So it looks like she came late to the party.

[@erincosta565]

I'll buy you one if you buy one for me. Quid pro quo, baby.

[@UltromanTheTacoman]

"Girls take hours to get ready for a date." Like guys just roll out of bed pimpin'.

[@VinceA-jq6ds]

Well, I do. Don't know whats up with the rest of yall. Do I need the /s?

[@UltromanTheTacoman]

@@VinceA-jq6ds Do you have any sleep-based muscle and confidence building tips for us plebs? xD

[@DrSoapp]

People that do the "/s" thing are super cringe

[@VinceA-jq6ds]

@@DrSoapp sadly it is needed b/c many just miss the sarcasm.

[@D_402S-h2z]

​@@DrSoappAnd sadly, people who think the "/s thing" is cringe are even cringier

[@abigailm50816]

When she asks to wear your hoodie but like you are also cold, so now I just keep two hoodies in my car. Lol

[@gsussb_]

Lmao

[@emmsiewembles6854]

Aw! That's really sweet :D

[@katrinashaw2195]

I had a boyfriend who would get really cold, I also get cold ( both have bad circulation) be gave me his jacket. But then he was shaking. I made him wear it after that cause although I really cold I wasn’t shaking, couldn’t have him suffer like that.

[@doll_dress_swap12]

Now that is a man with good planning skills.

[@Mas0808]

That's so hot

[@tannerhamilton6025]

Just wait, soon you'll get hit with: You: "Where do you want to eat?" Them: "Anywhere is good." You: "Okay, we'll eat at _______." Them: *passive aggressive sigh*

[@DksMonsta]

@Thelondonbadger I wish I knew how true this was.

[@wilgarrett322]

I just stopped giving them a choice. It made it easier on me. I got to eat what I wanted to eat and they got to go out to dinner and have a free meal. If they paid or did half that was a bonus (most women I dated did). Women hate having to make decisions, for whatever reason that may be. So take their agency out of the equation in that instance and take them where you want to go.

[@43aqueous]

😂😂😂😂

[@Thunor93]

Dcftomm i was gonna say something to agree but your comment made my laugh xD lol props

[@dadeee7776]

Thelondonbadger make sure you have no ice cream so that you get them under control anyway they don’t make the decisions around here

[@racheljacob1076]

When I first started speaking to women in addition to men on dating apps, I realized how infrequently they reply and felt a gross frustration with it that made me feel empathy for men and simultaneous disgust with myself 😩

[@treacherousjslither6920]

Rough. What else happened?

[@hoboIove]

I can understand that most girls would receive a lot more messages and quick responses compared to guys so sometimes they just don't have the time to respond much or write anything meaningful. But at the same time you can go back to that guy later when you have time and tell him that you were busy and try to get a convo going, instead of what most girls do is never get back to them again unless he sends multiple texts which then girls find desperate and ignores them anyway.

[@csnoopy]

I’ve messaged over 55 girls after getting their Insta from their Tinder profiles over the past year. Only got 4 or 5 responses back. I always got excited with each of those responses because it virtually never happens. Only to find out that those who responded only did so to ask for guys to pay to subscribe to their cam channels. So, because they wanted something they replied and were friendly. Getting ignored was one thing, and those responding to ask for money made my already frustrated self feel worse

[@csnoopy]

Al B and it seems that ALL of the ones I messaged were like that. Bummer

[@UnexpectedWonder]

Thank-you!!! It's ridiculous out Here and doesn't make you feel good @ all... 😢😩😰

[@danielacebo5629]

Learning of the Day: 1. Most women (not all) won't care about men's complaints unless they experience them themselves. 2. The best way for women to listen to men's complaints is if they are said by other women. Think about that. (By the way, personally, I've never had those specific problems. I've been blessed to meet extraordinary women, but I have friends who have).

[@funkthat]

Women will hear this from another women and still disregard it. You give them too much credit

[@scarletice]

This is kind of just a basic truth of human nature. It's difficult to empathize with something when you've never experienced something similar. You might be able to understand it academically, but really internalizing something is much harder to do without relevant experience. I remember reading this really interesting article about a white guy who wanted to research white privilege. So he underwent a procedure that would leave his skin darkened for about a month with the intention of experiencing what it feels like to be black. The guy after only a few days he abandoned the study, staying inside until the treatment wore off because he constantly felt like he was in danger. There are countless examples of this sort of unintentional bias. The rich fail to truly empathize with the average person's issues. The average person fails to truly empathize with the impoverished. The able-bodied fail to truly empathize with the disabled. Everyone that breaks a limb for the first time realizes this one to some degree. You never really appreciated your off-hand until you realize that you can't sharpen your pencil one-handed. You never truly appreciate your ability to walk until you realize just how many places are rendered inaccessible by a three inch ledge or a narrow passageway when you are in a wheelchair. There are plenty of emotional examples too. It's really easy to think the whole "don't date a your friend's ex" taboo is overblown until it happens to you and you are shocked by how much it actually bothers you. It's easy to think you understand what it feels like to lose someone close to you until it actually happens and you realize you never truly got it until before then. I guess my point is that it's important to keep in mind that this sort of bias isn't exclusive to any group of people.

[@KoeSeer]

yeah, that's why i almost never talk my problem to my girl friends. They just won't get it.

[@asgarzigel]

To be fair, the other way around is also true. I think generally a lot of people have a hard time to accept that their personal experience isn't universal.

[@antoniasinfield1762]

I'm a straight woman and I think women can be flat out emotionally cruel to men, far more than they are comfortable admitting. When I watch my dad's partner (not my mother fyi) mock everything he does, the fact that he's bald, the fact he has a belly now, this is wrong, that is wrong... it's scratching the surface of emotional abuse at times and you know it would never, ever be tolerated the other way round. I think men have to swallow a LOT of things down.

[@bgos4727]

I am not a pick me girl or anything like that, but i agree some women can really be flat out horrible with men.

[@sportedittz1091]

Yea, I always saw my dad apologies to my mom after an argument, never ever the other way around.

[@planetxtk7567]

Men (or women) don’t HAVE to swallow anything. They choose to because they believe they can only find a partner if they continue tradition. I hear men complain about their wives and say women are crazy all the time. I don’t think women are crazy. I think men don’t have high enough standards and women don’t respect themselves enough to be higher quality women. Most men do most of the work: Talking to the woman, getting her on a date, paying for the date, paying for the wedding, buying the ring, etc. But it doesn’t have to be that way. It should be equal. Women have wanted equality for a long time, but what about signing a prenup or splitting the bill on every date or approaching the man of their dreams in public instead of watching him walk away to never see him again and waiting for some guy to talk to them first because they’re “shy.” Keep in mind the whole movement of guys who have started going out just to talk to random women to get get rid of the fear of rejection and finally have sex and possible love in their life. Most men are still doing most of the work. It’s time for a change. I wonder what would happen if no men approached women and refused to pay for anything unless the woman payed for the other half.

[@Karma-cj1wu]

@@bgos4727 those "some" are starting to grow more these days

[@ggggg77273]

@@bgos4727 the fact that you have to clarify "I'm not a pick-me" proves how horribly toxic the female attitude to men often is. You have to clarify you're not just saying something for attention because other women (I've seen men do it but usually women) will call you a pick-me for daring to have some compassion for a guy.

[@Marcus-sk2xf]

We are searching for that simple girl who says “Thank you so much, I had a great time with you!” when we pay. We are often not appreciated on dates.

[@pixiedust8545]

I hope you find her soon ❤️ good luck

[@Alvin_Vivian]

Speak for yourself. I'm looking for a girl who still pulls her own weight regardless. Talk is cheap.

[@Marcus-sk2xf]

@@Alvin_Vivian I test for gratefulness on the first date. If women can test, so should we.

[@moonmarie281]

If someone can't say thank you, that's a red flag. I've been on plenty of dates and ALWAYS say, 'thank you' if someone pays. I also don't let someone ever pay unless I'm truly interested.

[@randyvanvliet226]

@@Alvin_Vivian It gets harder and harder for them, once they get married, most of them blimp out... and at least here in CA, especially the Mexican girls. They get so big, their husbands roll them in flour to look for the wet spot.

[@Emui_ai]

Im a guy that relates to the line "sometimes I feel like a girl doesn't like me for me she just wants a boyfriend." I had this ex girlfriend who made me feel like I was like some sort of accessory to her. It felt like she only wanted to feel what having a boyfriend is like. Not appreciating me the way I appreciate her. It's like all she does is take and I just kept giving and giving. There's no reciprocating. It was no bueno dudes.

[@colelawton4901]

Why tf would you commit to that lol she would have lost me at the 2nd check she didnt pick up

[@waliknation]

adriel bryce I relate to this on a spiritual level

[@strenifstrecs2551]

Been there. I want to go back in time and slap myself for not getting out of that relationship sooner.

[@serbanindigo689]

@@strenifstrecs2551 subscribe my dude. took me a year to realise that.

[@AutumnStardust]

I never understood that phrase until you explained this. I'm really sorry about that. Giving yourself is extremely exhausting especially if it isn't reciprocated. I pray that I've day you will give a young woman that you can have that connection with.

[@Mrch33ky]

Gave up dating at 40. 55 now. 15 years of peace and relative happiness. Ahhhhhhhh.

[@tom83rodr37]

I'm 40, never dated anyone... used to be depressed. Now I tell myself - why worry? I can as well be single and happy.

[@felipetesta]

I'm 30 and just give up also. Almost marry with the wrong one and now I kind of can see their nature and feel no obliged in participate in this game anymore... I'm happy alone and like to use my whole energy for myself.

[@ccboy3960]

I have no idea why this is in my recommendations for KZbin. But you just got yourself a new subscriber

[@menkirdennis6686]

chayse choyce Awesome profile pic

[@jakethesnake7040]

Samee

[@Spartanunit5]

chayse choyce same here

[@milkandcookyz]

Pretty much

[@giaa.7349]

Same 😂

[@Bloodyshinta1]

Women: "I dress like this for myself, not for the attention it gets me from men" Also Women: "I put all this effort into looking nice for you so you have to pay for the date" Also Also Women: "You can't have any expectations about where the date will lead physically, but I have expectations about who will pay for the date"

[@DialloMoore503]

Both of you nailed it.

[@luana.desousa6398]

Sounds like patriarchy for me hehehe

[@tjfrye11]

@amanda pham you probably scream every time you look in the mirror

[@erikbarrett85]

On a date it's for the person they're seeing you dumbass. They only say the first part when they're harassed by ugly guys. Moronic comment

[@erikbarrett85]

@@pauls4742 no you just meet bar slags

[@StonerKalashnikov4716]

Girl: dating women is so hard Guys: did you just understand me?

[@k_tess]

More like Guys:" Modern women are still capable of empathy?"

[@crowned571]

king_ Tesseract they lost it during evolution

[@myheadhurtsagain]

@@Time2goh I'm sorry, I have to do this. *per se It is a Latin term that means 'itself' ' or more modernly, 'intrinsically.' Just wanted to let you know since you did use it correctly.

[@XonixDerps]

@@Time2goh Thats probably where my problem comes from, I don't mind doing most things but I need my companion to be able to do some things herself. (Coming from a house hold where no one knew anything and kinda just complained for things to happen save my Ma who honestly had the pants in the family lmao)

[@dylan7212]

I’m the thousandth like this feels so special

[@basnaspe4578]

Since you directly asked at the end: I am a bi male, came out recently, and when I was on dating apps just for a few days listed as "femboy", I got matches with guys who had stuff like "dominant" in their profiles. And I was absolutely scared. That I wouldn't know whether they accept Nos and boundaries or go all over these. Suddenly, I could understand women very well being scared of some guys and dates.

[@devinward461]

Dating women is like looking for clean water in a desert. Dating men is like looking for clean water in a swamp.

[@NEMBL013]

You wonder if women have the attitude problems we do when it comes to dating because of the way we have been historically violated. 🤷🏼‍♀️

[@version365]

Then don't date "dominant" guys! 🤷‍♂

[@chriscecil913]

If I ask a girl out... then I’ll pay. If she asks me out. I hope she at least offers to pay. First couple dates I usually pay though

[@Rikku147]

I just split everything

[@schnioula]

Chris Cecil So nice of you! :)

[@bbelsy]

The person asking out pays.

[@newSylph]

yeah! just some gesture to ask to offer or split is appreciated

[@kellyvega6372]

First date I'll pay, don't want people to feel I owe them anything.

[@daaave2142]

Dating for women is like shopping, dating for men is like a job interview.

[@markjozsa]

This is soooo true

[@Thecak3isalie]

TAKE EM TO CHURCH 👌

[@MrHav1k]

LEMME GET AN AMEN!!!

[@Xxgodzilla2000]

That they pay for

[@theonlyMoancore]

In a way it is

[@KoffeeKev]

I love when girls say wearing make up and clothes is their "contribution" to the date. Like presenting your best when you are on a date isn't just basic and is on both ends.

[@Justin-gz3cp]

I pay money for myself to look good so you need to spend money on my food

[@boywithoutsoul587]

There no basic respect amongst these females

[@ctrain6962]

Plus she just objectified herself with that statement.

[@diogenes8272]

Exactly. Men also pay for their nice clothes, haircuts, they take time grooming their hair and their facial hair, and spend money on quality colognes, beard oils, etc. Presenting yourself well isn't "your contribution to the date". It's for making a good impression on your date.

[@shahrikamin4699]

@@diogenes8272 Don't forget working out and going to the gym for a aesthetic physique.

[@benjaminkeller4314]

I can honestly say I don't know a single man who would care if a woman didn't take time to do her makeup or hair before a date. Shower, comb your hair, yes please, but if you spend $0 on makeup the majority of men wouldn't care. Women put on makeup to compete with other women, not for men.

[@Young_Dab]

Exactly. I remember I invited this one girl on a date back in 2022. I got dressed to impress and she showed up in her pajamas it didn't bother me because I still found her attractive and it made me at ease with how much low maintenance her attire was. It was a good date but I had to cut her off a few months later cause she was too toxic. 😅

[@ADragon-gi9mr]

Yes aas aa guy that's true.

[@katherinestanley5576]

Observably not true - sex workers put a lot of effort into wearing makeup and feminine clothing (FFS, there's a type of heel named a 'stripper heel', even though comfort would normally take priority when pole dancing), precisely BECAUSE straight men are primarily attracted to feminine gender presentation and sex workers who perform femininity earn more money. I was absolutely shocked by how differently men treated me when I put on crappy makeup and a dress after a lifetime of having short hair, no makeup and men's clothing, and most other women I've spoken to have had the same experience.

[@benjaminkeller4314]

@@katherinestanley5576 That's a tactic to not only A: advertise that you are a sex worker and B: to stand out among the competition from other women. If the sex worker was a plane Jane with no makeup and just put up a sign that said "I'm a sex worker, ask me about my pricing" I assure you that would be just as successful and she wouldn't have to pay a dime on special clothing or makeup.

[@thatguy9088]

Imagine what she will feel when she realizes the first time a man gets flowers is at his funeral.

[@AkshayAradhya]

Damn, this is profound

[@pitt2495]

Dang bro, this stings

[@mintycokies8057]

You just made me have a goal. When I date a man the first week of us being together id give him flowers. And occasionally do so.

[@richardglowinski6554]

@@mintycokies8057 u a keeper

[@evilemperorzurg9615]

Dude… that’s deep.

[@tomw2885]

A female friend of mine recently told me she was going out with 3 dudes at the same time, saying she was just indecisive and enjoyed the free meals. She then told me how upset she was that one of them had started hooking up with another girl. She’s since committed to one of them, but the double standards were real.

[@minrominro9986]

Tell that man to grab his money and run.

[@rafaelrp07]

As an Uber Driver recently pick up a girl who's have a serious discussion with her ex through her phone. She said after the call the world had given priviledge to men but it's changing for equaility. I agreed. She continued saying she was tired of trying hard to have a heatlhy relationship because the majority of men won't worth it. And then finished saying that she's choosing the guy she'll go out at the weekend because she was very stressed with her job and do not have money to go to a nice place. I remained silent because tell her some truth will give me a one star on app...

[@aymenortashi8411]

@@rafaelrp07 your comment was really funny 😂😂😂

[@stuartburke6374]

@@rafaelrp07 What country was this?

[@JMill-bs6xt]

rafaelrp07 smart move lol

[@marvelous1358]

“Sometimes I feel she doesn’t like me for me, she just wants a boyfriend” yup

[@nikostraub5975]

Still better then "sometimes i feel like she won't date me for me but only for free dinner"

[@tomryan9827]

yeah, men are just generic men objects to women. the only parts of you that they have any interest in are those that overlap with the template of a generic, soulless male. That's why they love men in uniform: they don't want a special snowflake, they want a factory standard

[@icecreamman2687]

@@nikostraub5975 this is the same statement though

[@madzia_801]

It goes both directions sadly, some men do that, too

[@shanineedwards6894]

Most of you are hard to like.

[@rayflyhigh]

This is why when I was dating a first date was pretty much a free walk in the park and ice cream with conversation. A pro tip from a big brother of mine. It’s an easy filter

[@bastylesmonde6140]

As a lesbian I agree with all the points. Plus - couple of girls told me they are straight right after the date, they just wanted to get a free meal😂

[@korganrocks3995]

Yikes, that's even worse than doing it to a guy; at least then there's a theoretical chance they could start to feel an attraction during the meal... 😄

[@Skobeloff...]

1st date should be a shared bill, or flip a coin.

[@LadislausMarguspa]

this is why none of yall get asked on real dates anymore. its either meeting for coffee or her driving directly to the guy's house to proudly objectify herself so she can complain about feeling objectified later. why spend money on wahmen who openly advertise the fact they are a terrible investment?

[@night1952]

@@korganrocks3995 You know what they say, spaghetti is straight until it gets wet.

[@ronnnstark1935]

​@@night1952you are a creep

[@hithere605]

It’s so rare that men receive any ounce of sympathy or compassion for the roles that we play in our day to day lives. This was a refreshing point of view. Keep doing what ya do!

[@marieantoinettepaddelboot3149]

I just don't get why anyone would bother with women like that...

[@lindsaygraham5687]

Very rare. Most women have zero empathy or appreciation for men. Women see men as objects to use and dispose of.

[@jacobsmith5543]

I'm sorry guys, I was the 70th like.

[@hithere605]

Jacob Smith lmao keep the likes coming. Everybody should know that you are not alone in feeling alone. Stay strong and push forward

[@jacobsmith5543]

@@hithere605 since I broke the 69, I'll be waiting for the 6969th like!

[@Gromic2k]

Here in germany, it´s all quite the opposite. Women don´t want to eat on the first date - i actually never had dinner with any of them, not even the one i currently date for 6 weeks now. And for everything where we have to pay for something, they always want to split checks. And when i try to pay without asking them if they want to split checks, they get really annoyed. And the women i date often make a shitload more money than i do. They just don´t care. None of them ever asked for my salary. The stuff that happens in the US really isn´t normal.

[@cocoadragon8554]

no its not, and is cause US men to look for mates overseas where they are less entitled.

[@seb0rn739]

I am from Germany too and yes, I assumed there would depend a lot on local culture too. It is also not expaected for men to pay for the woman on a first date either. Still, the other problems are true in Germany as well. My GF is bi and she also says that dating women is much more complicated and that she is always afraid and super nervous about dates with other women but not with men.

[@malakarvonstroheim5372]

Germany is an outlier, the 3rd world isn't any better in this regard

[@Gromic2k]

@@malakarvonstroheim5372 the USA is the outler. Every other country has a better dating system

[@malakarvonstroheim5372]

@@Gromic2k Then how come girls in 3rd world countries are not much different than this?

[@syrusangi8743]

Anna: Now I understand men Men: *singing* We're all in this together!

[@ianhall3795]

Trying to find a good name for this

[@harryo1948]

Lmfao 🤣🤣🤣🤣😭💀⚰️

[@RaviSingh-li8kn]

😅

[@vexnope538]

High school musical lmao

[@sjar61099]

I see Warframe reference

[@YeaBroer]

2 very important rules guys 1. Never take a woman out on a dinner date on the first date. 2. Don't forget rule 1.

[@Josh-fj9hi]

Use to do that not no more it's coffee dates on the first date only now. It's alot better, makes me wonder what I was thinking back then

[@jimmyboy131]

Yep, I've learned that lesson the hard way. One time I paid for $130 dollar dinner bill, and my part of it was less than $20, while listening to her complain and be abusive to the wait staff, then she says she wants someone who makes way more money than I do. Other times I've made reservations at a place for a first date. And more than once I've been stood up, and had to be humiliated when she doesn't show up. Lessons learned the hard way.

[@blackonblack...9244]

@@jimmyboy131 Yea, women don't appreciate good men. Men have to vet and screen for a women nowadays. I find that online dating is trash and meeting women in person is better. If they are 29+, walk away. Trust me, it's not worth it.

[@jimmyboy131]

@@blackonblack...9244 Online dating is horrible, I agree. I'd say at least 90% of the ones I contact are frauds, are just looking for money or sex (I'm looking for a real relationship), and it's very discouraging. (yes, getting laid is pretty easy if that's what I'm after, but it's not) Well, I'm nearly 50 so meeting younger women in person, in today's society, is pretty much impossible unless I want to be instantly labeled a creeper, regardless of my manner and character. And meeting women my age in person, while easy to do, is another bundle of issues that I won't go into here. So the only real option I have is online dating, which, as I mentioned, is very discouraging.

[@jessz9284]

@@jimmyboy131 online dating is pointless. It is 50% hookers, 30% bots and the last 20% want chads. If you are not a chad just throw it away.

[@BallisticStigmata]

"Spending hours getting ready" is a personal choice. Not sure how that equates to an expectation. I'm chivalrous so I usually do anyway, but I disagree with that as being the reason. That's silly.

[@Ikaros23]

woman " fakes" how she looks and expects to get paid for it. ha ha ha

[@impguardwarhamer]

wasn't aware that dating was about paying women for a service and not something you both want to do.

[@stuzzox]

@@riccardopattarin amazing👏

[@bayareaomg]

I read this in a SorrowTV voice

[@squirts1]

I don't think you know what Chivalry actually means. It certainly doesn't mean buying things for people.

[@Swimmer218]

I heard this a while back, and I forget where I heard it. "Who pays for the date?" "Whomever askes the other person."

[@TheBurgessNetwork]

Exactly. That is actually part of etiquette. That's the problem, modern day people threw etiquette out of the window!😂😂😂

[@Swimmer218]

Yes they did.

[@tayyibahz9343]

50 cent said that on an interview

[@Swimmer218]

Thank you for clearing that up.

[@Swimmer218]

@@pringles_mcgee fair point.

[@jonn9953]

these problems can easily be solved by not dating people

[@ulquiorra3104]

@ComocosonoEWL Beastiality. 😂😂🤣🤣😏😏👍👍😃😀

[@noone-mo6gy]

@ComocosonoEWL That's not cool man. That's not cool. 🤣🤣

[@theburgerking1236]

ComocosonoEWL I mean I thought it was cats

[@tiberiustoica7604]

@ComocosonoEWL yea there are whole tubes with that cathegory and it's awesome

[@toasted9651]

@ComocosonoEWL ya you heard...which means blatant gossip, mind your business bro..

[@GreyWind1988]

When my wife and I first started dating we had a rule. We lived about an hour away from each other. The person who drives doesn't take care of dinner and such. If I went to see her, she paid. If she went to see me, I paid. And since we alternated who saw whom, it was a very fair exchange

[@Guztav1337]

Wholesome!

[@maluokram1170]

❤

[@pepperoni101.]

idk if i agree.. bc that seems too materialistic like yk you'd go to see her but she might feel like ur only there for the free dinner and vice versa. Just my opinion tho

[@nejcrebolj2013]

Namita Gogoi what? That’s a 2 hour drive back and forth... that alone wuickly covers the food expenses

[@tropingreenhorn]

Very good deal, finding a women who knows how to fairly negotiate logistics like this is super important (and for the guys to learn this as well)

[@josey6231]

Welcome to being a man, you'll get your instructions on how to be a psychic mind reader in a few days.

[@jordanwaho2467]

Underrated comment hahahahhaa fukk

[@lusitanus6504]

This comment should get more likes.

[@SSmith-fm9kg]

got my instructions the other day...all the pages were blank.

[@josh3468]

It's blank, we're hoping somebody will fill it out and send it back...

[@amonkoutaro5940]

Joshua Mallory 😂

[@tristanmoller9498]

The argument that the girl gets ready so men should pay is bogus. You don’t know how long a man takes to get ready. Plenty of us guys get a haircut for a date, which takes plenty of time.

[@dillygodp8177]

poopy dupe.

[@soakedlemons9990]

Be like: hey, I'm paying you to keep me happy, not to you😏

[@dak4465]

I know that fuckin killed me. wow

[@timbrocklehurst875]

Pretty much had that exact conversation with a (now former) friend a few days ago. According to her that's equality.

[@MadMushroom66]

Oh but when you tell them that they don't need make up, all of a sudden it's not for you, it's for themselves. Go figure

[@SergeantKal]

Indeed. And more than that, we've all been assured that these women are dressing this way "for themselves".

[@DarkPanthera]

I'm uncomfortable with the hypocricy with being dumped in relationships. Rihanna (who I adore) unceremoniously dumps her rich boyfriend because she was 'bored' and she recieved praise online, she's a KWEEEEN. But if a guy dumped his gf suddenly because he too was 'bored', he would be labeled an emotionally unavailable man with a lack of empathy by these same insecure women 💁🏾‍♀️🙃

[@VegitoBlackk]

Yup

[@connorhood6490]

Couldn't have said it better myself, we should all be equally accountable to our actions, and nobody should band together cause they are the same gender/race etc, Rather, based on the charactor of their heart

[@VegitoBlackk]

@@connorhood6490 perfect world talk right there

[@ollybobba8692]

@@mirrorflame1988 In truth, Christianity without the occult knowledge of their time is total falsehood.

[@jimbeam4736]

The solution is to stop caring what other people think of you.

[@EyMcFly]

"I Don't Know" = Most women's favorite restaurant.

[@jacobr2022]

I'm also indecisive as hell

[@valeriagutierrezdiaz5079]

I'm a woman and your joke is funny af 😂

[@xokelis0015]

You should open that restaurant... I'd go there every time she says, "I don't know..."

[@colorfulskies6477]

Well in my case i just wouldn't want to go somewhere that he wouldn't like ya know? Like oh what's your fav restaurant? Oh its a chinese one - oh i don't like Chinese

[@theprocrastinator6813]

@@xokelis0015 if someone actually made a restaurant with this name they would make bank. The complete trolling and irony would be great !

[@forgedglory]

When my bisexual daughter said that she will never date a woman again because of how women treat others I just laughed so hard.

[@armchairtony]

I never talk about these things about relationships cause I dont wanna be "that guy" but like yes. This is what I feel

[@jc918a-32]

You prob should lurk r/TheRedPill

[@phoebemycroft1754]

You should, If a girl is being rude, call her out. Communication is key.

[@chrisl7228]

I knew my girlfriend was a keeper when I asked her out for our first date and she said “that sounds great but I am broke right now, how about next week?” Lol

[@valkryies2402]

Mutated Pearl lmaoo

[@chrisl7228]

8 years and still gong strong, she is my best friend and I love spending as much time with her as I can 😁

[@delphini7175]

Aww 😍

[@mojolotz]

give her a big hug from me. She's financially and emotionally stable marriage material and that is rare. If you want you can grab her butt during the hug. up to you.

[@woozyedmond]

@@chrisl7228 marry her bro

[@Dragonrider-cj8js]

I once went on a date with a girl, she offered to pay and I was like "That would be great actually, thank you. I can get the next one" (this was our fourth date and the first time she suggested) She proceeds to say "No, you're paying for it. I only offered to be polite, not to actually pay"

[@Dragonrider-cj8js]

@EL JAY No, I didn't. It wasn't too terribly expensive which is why I was willing to let her However, I did let her other "Guy" friends know about this and practically all of them ghosted her. Twas very satisfying

[@davidbolha]

I hope you excused yourself to the men's room (& then escaped through the bathroom window - leaving her with the checque). 🤔😆😎😜

[@Dragonrider-cj8js]

@@davidbolha Like I said before, I paid because it wasn't too expensive (wanna say like $30) and was also trying to avoid more drama, but I did tell all of her guy friends and she was left without a guy in her life. She bitched about it on insta for like a week😂

[@davidbolha]

@@Dragonrider-cj8js She complained because you started a movement. 😎😆 The beginning of **her wall** . The dice is cast. 😁

[@pennervideosohnegeld7576]

Bruh moment

[@hungcarl]

I hate that nowadays, a lot of women are bashing men. The don't think themselves are the problems.

[@D_402S-h2z]

It's just in America I think. I'm from Asia but I have never seen women in asia being like this. Dating is not so complicated here. You focus on your career, find someone, fall in love, get married, the end. It's not supposed to be so complicated. American women seem to be much more aggressive and masculine than asian women, who are usually feminine, kind and nicer in general.

[@scroll.withmohit]

​@@D_402S-h2zu are very much wrong

[@tristancechman5753]

She's the one spoken about in the prophecy's. She will bring balance amongst the people

[@DearStephanieX]

Tristan Cechman ⚰️💀 lmaoooo

[@bryceswain5977]

The avatar!

[@beefybread5769]

As all things should be

[@fusk7799]

@@beefybread5769 Beat me to it

[@bryanm9403]

Better make sure she doesn't hate sand first before speaking of chosen ones, & prophesies to bring about balance to the people of the universe.

[@snugglylovemuffin]

She didn't ask me a single question about myself, sang 100% of the time we were driving (which I encouraged... to a point) and then treated me like an Alexa "play this song" over and over and over again. Went to a very nice local french pastry shop, didn't want anything and when she chose Macaroons, I asked if that was her favourite dessert, she replied "no, I tried them in Germany and I hated them". I couldn't wait for it to end, and yes, I called her out on it.

[@nordicwarrior2176]

and what happened when you called her out on the BS????

[@jamieshannon9809]

Never encourage singing in the car (unless it's you the driver). Play your favourite tunes or radio station. This is known as the Driver Rule. Passengers should be given a rule sheet upon entering the vehicle.

[@rockgill443]

Where are u and gf from

[@jefolson6989]

@@jamieshannon9809 everybody knows "my car, my tunes".MAJOR red flag! First date is her on her best behavior. Glad you got out before experiencing her worst!

[@nicolashomez]

This is so sad Hypocrite Human shame And I bet she is some "new age/feminist girl"

[@HumansOfVR]

*_"I better go out and buy a wedding dress"_* Devil Horns start to come out

[@elyzanavarrio]

I feel attacked and I don’t even date people lol

[@thisisntallowed9560]

Sorry for being dumb, but, I didn't get it.

[@saintmuerte13]

It one of those things that sounds great in head, but terrifying in the receiving end.

[@mielipuolisiili7240]

@@thisisntallowed9560 I guess the point is that while it is supposed to be a joke, it sounds really clingy and even creepy. Like you are just dating and the other person is already planning your wedding and is gonna go all over affectionate psycho on you.

[@TheJadedJames]

As a dude, the most cringe comment like that I will admit to is once on a first date, I casually complained about how grandbaby hungry my parents were. It was a joke that maybe would have been fine to tell a friend, but this was female acquaintance I wanted to date and never did again,

[@deannaa.491]

Girl the story you told at the beginning literally happened to me when I started dating women too. We went out to eat and I offered to pay because I thought it was nice and then she literally didn’t talk to me again after that and didnt say thank you😭

[@athatcher9367]

I had a relationship that lasted like 3 weeks and I'm positive that the only reason she asked me out is because she didn't like the idea of being single on Valentines Day.

[@PumpkinHoard]

I knew a girl that.... got around in my teens. When she was 14 she was having a competition with another girl I knew to see who could have sex with 10 guys first. Meanwhile I was a year older than her and very much still a virgin. She was single as Christmas was fast approaching and she flat out asked me if would I be her boyfriend because she wanted extra Christmas presents and she knew I had a job. Her exact words are burned into my memory "You'll get sex and stuff." She was pretty cute, short little thing that on looks alone DID work for me at the time. However, I was somewhat *afraid* of STDs and pregnancy. The latter proved to be a valid concern when she had her first kid at 16. Anyways, I turned her down, the first of two times I have done so in my near 40 years of life. The other was with this weird shaven headed goth girl that my brother had slept with, basically out of desperation. That was all kinds of weird when she was pawing at me, still kinda feel bad for her. She just looked so sad when I turned her down, like she was used to it and knew it was coming. She wasn't attractive to me at all and being a little overweight with a mostly shaven head and a couple of sporadic dreadlocks in 2004.... was not a good look. I've heard horror stories of girls completely going nuts at guys when they get turned down, but for me they both just looked sad. I think they both knew *exactly* why I turned them down without me giving reasons, and it hurt.

[@nevergiveupbaby1720]

W girl

[@jameson32]

@@PumpkinHoard You sound like a good dude man. Hope you've had better luck since!

[@olaf-chan-728]

she slays for that lol

[@mrtipbadd]

For new relationships, dating season opens in March and closes in October. Any girl you begin a relationship with out of this period is mostly in for Valentine's or Christmas

[@anouaraynan8504]

Girls: this is so hard!! Boys: *this is normal.*

[@SebastiansSebastian-fc4pj]

This isnt even half chub -Ghandi

[@haroldlemar5569]

Not normal, easy

[@AMichaelFromBrasil]

True. Man learns to endure. Women find someone who will do for her

[@anouaraynan8504]

@@haroldlemar5569 i meant its normal for a man to have it tough when dating, one mistake and boom ur dumped

[@trihermawan9553]

@@SebastiansSebastian-fc4pj ahh yes, the same Gandhi who nuke my country to oblivion in the late game

[@monty846]

Don't take a girl to dinner on a first date, go for a coffee.

[@DavidLLambertmobile]

I drink 🎗☕🇺🇸 Black Rifle Coffee Co... no go for coffee 🙄... maybe with someone I knew & needed to kill time...

[@ericremy2746]

THIS

[@briannalee1998]

Rebis some girls will be grateful and remember to say thank you.

[@strenifstrecs2551]

​@@briannalee1998 Not overly fond of this. Guys are getting told to treat women two different ways. Treat women as equals! But you should still treat them differently when it benefits women. I also don't buy Anna's "We spend time to look pretty so you should pay for dinner" rational. The whole thing makes it seem like I have to pay for a women's time.

[@painexotic3757]

Yep. I feel like a first date should be getting to know someone, NOT impressing. I'd never dress up for a first date because I feel it's fake. You're putting on this persona that isn't you on a regular basis.

[@Joshua-Lu]

In my I was simply a convinience who drove her around, made her feel comfortable and paid for things and before i even realized that she never appreciated me or the things i did, she had found someone else

[@jayblack5474]

When she waits till your birthday to tell you she found a new guy and that she's been upset about something for six months and that it's your own fault for not seeing the signs.

[@Lily-gz3ip]

too specifc, are you okie?

[@GRocvidz]

Ouch

[@josecanseco1083]

RIP mans

[@GT3.00]

I feel you dog

[@user-mj3ty9nd9i]

Y on ur birthday specifically tf

[@edisonching5202]

"Anything experience that expands ur compassion is worthy sharing" wow

[@PHlophe]

Edy you got that right !

[@BREAKocean]

Damn I had a friend who came out as bi. When he started dating men he said it was confusing because both sides wanted to pay.

[@Here_is_Waldo]

Arm wrestle for it.

[@GrimTheDestroyer]

Simple solution : split the bill

[@mattblaster2378]

Do the ultimate manly handshake. Then split the bill like the bros you are

[@advaitpalav5120]

@@MP-ut6eb that doesn't really work out very well in straight relationships as 99% of the times guys are the ones asking out girls.

[@twill5077]

@@advaitpalav5120 it works out the way it's supposed to. Guys aren't the prize. Never have been. Never will be.

[@roflrolf1782]

As a man I once told a bisexual man that I might not be 100% hetero and the fact that just half an hour later I received my first (and until now only) snake picture made me understand why women are scared of chatting with men online. The topic we talked about allowed for this and it wasn't too surprising, but still wierd to see how fast this stranger sent me that picture. I never sent a picture of mine to anyone and I doubt I ever will. Even before that event I found it disturbing.

[@Dante02d12]

On Discord, my pfp and pseudo make many people believe I'm a girl (I swear it's not on purpose). As a result, many try to converse with me, and very quickly send nudes.... I don't think nudes are a bad thing. *When it's not done so randomly and so quickly after meeting someone.* In this case, it's just creepy and dumb.

[@dcasias708]

A few years ago I started hanging out with a co-worker. It seemed like a normal platonic friendship at first but one day when we were streaming a movie together she put her head on my shoulder, totally unprompted. She stayed cuddled with me the entire movie. From that point she was texting hearts, always wanting affection and being very emotionally intimate. She told me she bought a blanket just for me when I came over. After a while though she started talking about a guy she'd been seeing from a dating app. When things came to a head she acted totally flabbergasted that I had thought we were dating or heading there, insisting that it was obvious her intentions were platonic the whole time. Despite the fact that she also said we couldn't be alone in her house or cuddle during movies anymore, making it pretty clear she knew that's not something you do with a friend when you're dating someone else. Don't get me wrong. I've been rejected before by female friends that I thought might like me and were just being friendly. I know how to take no for an answer and some of my best friends are women I started out having crushes on but pivoted to friendship with. Of course the difference between those friends and her, are that those other friends quite clearly, yet kindly, told me they weren't interested in anything besides friendship and never crossed any boundaries beyond the platonic with me. I was sad they didn't like me back sure, but I at least knew where they stood. That was a good preview of how good of friends they turned out to be. Her on the other hand, she basically treated me like her boyfriend until she found someone better. But she would only get defensive or angry when I told her that her behavior confused me completely refusing to validate my feelings. It really messed with my head, making me thing for a while that whenever I think someone likes me, no mater what she does, I'm wrong. It's probably not a surprise to learn that she was surprised I had a really hard time pivoting to platonic friends with her. Doesn't help that she wanted me to be her coach for this relationship and be her new boyfriend's best friend. It didn't work out and we don't talk anymore. I really appreciate Anna expressing empathy for what men go through in the fashion she did. It can be hard to talk about this sort of thing without sounding like I'm trying to say "I'm a man who got rejected, so I'm going to say a lot of sexist crap now." That's not what this is at all. Women do absolutely get harassed by men who refuse to respect boundaries or accept a no gracefully far too regularly. in this world and its wrong. But I also can't deny that more than once in my own dating life I feel like I've been expected to read the woman's mind and punished for not doing so. And I know I was not given the language or context to understand how to talk about that confusing, self-esteem damaging feeling with other people.

[@edlouchard565]

Hey, the feeling confused after seeing her. Gigantic red flag. Either she's gaslighting you or not communicating her feelings or you are not asking for clarity. Whichever, the dynamic rarely changes. Bail out.

[@discorabbit]

Nah cuh. Lift weights, get money, & don’t try with women. They will let you know clearly when they like you, but first, make yourself undeniable.

[@thebatman8895]

As a man, if you are not having sex with her you are not her boyfriend. You are her girlfriend.

[@las9582]

Many women tend to do this then act clueless its straight-up weirdos behavior. Sometimes I wish I was straight.

[@nelsonhibbert5267]

Never have female friends. You're either banging them or you're not. If you're not and she's leading you to believe it will happen, get the hell out of there. She won't lead on the guy that she actually wants to get with.

[@assetaden6662]

My now gf and my (I hope) future wife told me to split bills when we first met. It literally made me cry inside, because I've never been offered such thing (I felt like a Dobby in Harry Potter). She now buys me gifts occasionally just because she wants and damn I feel happy every time and a bit confused since I've never seen such thing in my life. I love her so much!

[@aguywithalotofopinions412]

Sounds like a good one

[@scharmsbottomduzino3450]

Mine is like: I want to pay, I'm like: Nah u won't I'm paying, and this is how ww3 began

[@GodisgudAQW]

@@scharmsbottomduzino3450 You passed her test. If you didn't say that, you wouldn't be a thing right now and she probably would have complained to her girlfriends about you having the gall to let her pay

[@Sarahizahhsum]

I wish I had money to pay. But not with the dicks I've met. Yeah no paying for them. Dismissive freaks.

[@Ficus-religiosa]

It's sounds like Sci Fi , especially in Russia

[@jamesbradley3291]

The HIGHEST divorce rates IS NOT between men-women marriages. The LOWEST divorce rate is between men-men marriages. Yes, the HIGHEST divorce rate is between women-women lesbian marriages.

[@Markus2E5I6]

Mmmmmmm...whats the common denominator?

[@chrisstoltz3648]

Citation needed

[@mememasterofficial69]

I LIKE MEN NOW

[@pml4443]

Because many men-men relationships dont even botheer to get married on the first place lmao, so obviously the percentage would be lower.

[@allanluis3696]

@@pml4443 lol, its rate. No total number. Do you not know how percentages work???? lmaooooooo. My brain hurts. Girl maths

[@scufwelfare2666]

We don't ask you to put makeup on and spend hours to get ready. WE JUST WANT YOU TO SHOW UP -MEN

[@angelg3642]

Most men dislike too much make up either way. Idk why anyone would need hours to put some makeup just to end up looking like a clown rather than a human being.

[@_Alibon_]

I literally just use lip-gloss/liquid lipstick/eyeliner lol

[@5thRing]

Noticeable makeup is a sign to not bother, imo.

[@nathanpearl2321]

The "show up" and "don't cancel" are the big things. I have had a few women who had me in the friendzone long term who were willing to talk to me about how women think about dates. They actually do a thing (and I can't believe the nerve) of making a date, but then just pulling a no show if what they consider to be a better date asks them out. They may even make 3 dates for a given night, then later decide which one to go on, with no consideration for the time or feelings of the other two!

[@Project_2501]

What a weird and twisted logic is this: "I make myself looking nice for you and buy expensive make up and clothes, so you can pay for the dinner as your part of the deal." like excuse me... What!? Is this how women think!?

[@voltairedecent255]

Of course it's the way women think. Where have you been hiding?

[@moonstone6164]

Nope. This is how *some* women think (depending on upbringing and social circle). A LOT of us believe in paying for what you ate yourself. We are just not noticed so much because we are not the ones you have a discussion about.

[@TopFlightSecurity415]

yes....all of them

[@bronjesamuel1054]

Stine Mary Boye Kristiansen that is by no means the norm globally. Maybe not all women think like this but the majority sure do.

[@otrachicadeyoutube6853]

As a straight woman this is the first time I heard that. I even thought she was joking. It's sad that some women do that much, but many women don't care about paying, or making up, or gender roles whatsoever. We care mostly about the person.

[@jaysherman2615]

One time a lady asked me, "what is it like to be a guy." With a smile I simply said, "It's very lonely"

[@atanumajiunofficial]

👍🏽

[@sliverwol8034]

😎👍👍

[@no-fk1tf]

😎 👍🏻 👍🏻 👍🏻

[@aurelia6127]

I must be a guy 🙂

[@uthamanroschke186]

Preach brother

[@idontwhy3132]

So you were only capable of empathy when it happened to you

[@jcdahippie]

Wait until you hear "Thank you for dinner and drinks. You're a really nice guy. But..."

[@zoozoo6528]

Rs

[@Rengawd]

Lmao real

[@blundercannon4942]

Hit me on a spiritual level

[@rjtheripper931]

Oh don't get me started on that bullshit. OH HELL NO!!!!!!!!!

[@jbyrd4532]

*Vietnam flashbacks*

[@trixus4768]

As a dude, I just wanna say, that the "Clothes and make up costs money." really drives me crazy... It's like the girl is telling me, that I'm walking naked and I don't give a f*** about how I look...

[@ilsgrade8357]

And the best thing is, I actually prefer it, if a women doesn't use makeup and dresses up in casual clothes rather than fancy BS. No make up, Jeans, sneakers and a hoodie is absolutely fine imho......

[@trixus4768]

@@forestknight651 which is not true at all...

[@trixus4768]

@@forestknight651 no problem pal, we all can do mistakes... no hate 😁

[@trixus4768]

@@forestknight651 honestly, it is quite a surprise to find someone on the internet, who is able to swollow his/her pride. I'm not mad, really😁 *Virtual handshake*

[@nazifaanjumaumee3371]

I'm sorry on behalf... We all care more or less about our looks.