Anne Applebaum: Democracy in Crisis: The twilight of democracy

Pulitzer Prize winning historian, journalist and commentator Anne Applebaum delivers the keynote lecture of the spring 2022 Democracy in Crisis series, in conversation with Dean Michael S. Barr.

[@maximpopov8651]

World peace, like community peace, does not require that each man love his neighbor-it requires only that they live together in mutual tolerance, submitting their disputes to a just and peaceful settlement. ~ John F. Kennedy

[@georgefurman4371]

World peace depends on getting rid of the wealthy class organizer of wars for expansion and profit. But first stripped them of political power to wage war.

[@mbolduc]

I can't tolerate lying sh*tbags like Applebaum. Ever

[@compassioncampaigner728]

@@Johnconno OK If an observation......a worthy goal, Camelot If a cynical sneer.....then a loopy Ayn Rand blurt

[@tarmbruster1]

This phrases needs to be repeated and repeated and repeated loudly.

[@bookinsights1092]

Only if the politicians ever listened to the voices of people telling them how they should behave and what policies to enact maybe we’d be in a better place. Unfortunately, politicians only make things far worse.

[@martineshamzin7535]

The government always makes things worse. The scariest words are "We are from the government and we are here to help" But she is a huge liar, or she hates Hungary for some reason, but they are doing better then the rest of Europe.

[@bookinsights1092]

@@martineshamzin7535 I agree. The people on top don’t really care how people at the bottom are doing as long as they are adding to rich peoples bottom line.

[@martineshamzin7535]

@@bookinsights1092 Very well put.

[@BLD426]

Pulitzer for diligently putting the Trump/Russia hoax to pen sums up American journalism pretty well.

[@boulderdennis]

I wonder when she sold her soul to the democrats?

[@shannonlawsonnashville]

Don’t forget completely dismissing the hunter Biden laptop situation. What a joke she is

[@boulderdennis]

@@shannonlawsonnashville She thinks she can tell people what's important or not. That's quite the SNOB.

[@trumblewumblehumble]

But she is right and a president doing criminal stuff is an important topic for a journalist.

[@amber40494]

Russian bot

[@mango2005]

We forget that freedom is the exception in human history. Freedom in the West has been a process that included Magna Carta, the English Civil War, the American and French Revolutions, the defeat of Nazi Germany and the collapse of Communism in Eastern Europe. Now we are in a time when freedom is being attacked again. The question is, do we still have the stamina to keep it, or will we be too complacent?

[@shannonlawsonnashville]

She is a disgrace to Journalism

[@thattimestampguy]

If you want to watch empty chairs, go ahead 0:00 4:05 Intro bla bla bla “Welcome” “thanks for being here” “This is part of an on-going series…” 5:50 Gerald Ford Foundation, thank you 8:01 Submit Questions (which of course will be vetted for ask-ability) “With that, I ask you to please join me in giving a warm welcome to [Insert Special Guest here]” 5:34 Democracy is being oppressed (by Oligarchy) 6:33 _The Seductive Allure of Authoritarianism_ *Anne Applebaum* 9:02 New Years Eve 1999, Party in Poland 🇵🇱 Renovated House 🏠 Journalists, Optimism 🍸 (how American 🇺🇸) 11:20 Profound Political Divide in Poland 🇵🇱 12:08 It happens 🌎 🌍 12:23 Anti-Communist 12:52 Disappointed With The Nation 14:09 (influence advantage - getting to say what your opponent is saying, without their affirmation/disagreement) *Erosion of Democracy* 16:57 2010, Eco-DemoCultural America has changed for the worse America has changed for the better 18:46 Moving for work, less settled, less communal 20:22 Rewrite rules, _Ceasar’s death_ 21:41 We Felt Invincible, inevitable 23:17 Gerrymandering Unfair! 🇭🇺 🇻🇪 🇺🇸 24:04 _Iron Curtain_ Democratic Elected [Strongman] 28:26 Authoritarian-Democracy conflict [not Left-Right] “Public exchange of ideas with _courtesy_ “ 30:14 Fox News in Hungary Culture Wars are not real issues Voting Rights 🗳 is a real issue Conspiracy Theories Undermining of respect Not Rigged Jan 6th, Birthirism, Trump Taking away votes 34:25 Liz Cheney censure 38:45 Governor Gretchen Actual violence 39:59 No Civil War 2 Violence around Black Lives Matter 🇷🇺 41:03 Dismantle EU/NATO, Lithuania 🇱🇹 42:27 Democracy is a problem Putin - controlling but not powerful 44:56 Ukraine 🇺🇦 fake nation, foreign owned, Russian interference/meddling 48:10 Ukraine 🇺🇦 52:42 💰 Q&A 54:44 55:37 Common Ground? 58:57 Infrastructure, Productive Economics gets us working together vs Cultural questions ( don’t talk politics at the dinner table) 1:01:02 Fascism? 1:02:37 Populism 1900s vs Populism 2010s 1:03:58 Journalists need to do… Audiences need to do “Who you trust can depend on who you are.” Constructive solutions sell 🗞 💵 Fear and violence sell 🗞💰 (People continue to bring people down dark paths) 1:06:44 BORING! MY LIFE MATTERS! 1:07:26 Advertising -> BE LOUD, RATINGS > Important stories, sound thinking 1:09:16 🇷🇺 🇺🇦 ☮️? Only when Putin wants to end it. Ukraine is going to lose Ukraine has lost something already 1:11:59 🇺🇦 WE DONT WANT THIS TO HAPPEN AGAIN It’s not a war, it’s a special military operation 🇷🇺 (🇺🇸) 1:13:28 Covid Truth - Lies - Divide - Divide - Divide - Mass Vaccination - lockdown end - Mass vaccination - booster, etc. - Covid over 1:16:14 women children old people sympathy Can the systems hold with the mass influx? 1:17:06 CITIZENS OF AMERICA Optimism and Possibility Your actions build the future We all can affect the course of events It’s open if it’s wanted 1:19:13 Use the possibility

[@BB-pv6cf]

Thank you so much!

[@gasparucciox9706]

you can start at 4.30

[@coophandluke3697]

Any " NEW " comment on Hunters laptop???????

[@kwnorton5834]

Seems we’ve seen this divide in politics mature all around us. It has reached its logical extension by demonstrating the current mass hysteria manifested by otherwise sensible human beings. When people become frightened & insecure enough they will tend to veer toward authoritarian rule.

[@wasdwasdedsf]

those human beings were never sensible

[@imdoghimim7995]

@Truckin Tom hey Tom

[@caseymckenzie4760]

I like my fascist with a wink and a smile and the moral certainty to convince me I am on the right side of history.

[@imdoghimim7995]

How we get information is so convuluted we'll fix it .

[@dontransue9843]

Gerald Ford, center for the Michigan Wolverines Football Team, would be appalled at the actors running our press today. Ann Applebaum, she's an expert, right.

[@compassioncampaigner728]

Jumpn' Gerry Ford was also a certified CIA mole on the Warren Commission. He was feeding back info that would facilitate undermining the effort to find the facts and the truth of JFK's murder. Gerry Ford, poster boy for limited morality.

[@dontransue9843]

@@compassioncampaigner728 I forgot about that, and it's hilarious. But he was a great center at UM, so there's that.

[@standalby6949]

It wasn’t any conspiracy lady it was fact

[@rachelblack314]

That dislike ratio 😂👍🇺🇸

[@jcbuffalogal1328]

Beware of Russian BOTs that criticize anyone critical of Putin!

[@marissashantez6051]

We are all getting really tired of everyone screaming "Russian disinformation" whenever the left wants to silence anyone. These people are a thousand times wealthier and more powerful then Putin. Ukraine was never a democracy or even close. Ukraine has one government run news station, so all news out of there is Ukrainian propaganda, and the US State Department has been running Ukraine for 2 years now. Most people simply want an end to our involvement in the war. Putin represents ZERO danger to us.

[@alvaro-joserivero-perezjr.4029]

Accountability is distinct from crisis. We are taught to suspend our discernment and to deem ourselves as the litmus-test with which to measure our notions of democracy. It isn't just about being right, it is about the truth. Only 1/5th of our GNP is imputed on the token free-economy. The subsequent 4/5ths of GNP beyond comprehension without the federal monopoly of violence, and everything else this implies.

[@georgefurman4371]

The notion of democracy has been extensively explained and attempted to practice it. The issue is the political perspective in truth as you correctly say. But what truth is the genuine rational comprehension of it.?? The political power determining the end product established has been historically , an exclusive one. . A manipulated mechanism to serve the few by wealth corruption and monopoly . So what political power is needed to make democracy a reality?? In the USA we can presently find a specific case of such controversy between the wealthy and the progressive voices. Democracy is about to be made impossible by the GOP perfecting a chains and locks constitutional coup. At least they think is such.

[@wasdwasdedsf]

@@georgefurman4371 " In the USA we can presently find a specific case of such controversy between the wealthy and the progressive voices. Democracy is about to be made impossible by the GOP perfecting a chains and locks constitutional coup. At least they think is such." what? but dont you remember how you made democracy impossible, blocking every inquiry into "the most secure electi of all time", and thus denying investigations that would later find 100s of thousands of uncertifiable ghost vots in just the one real audit that has been allowed as of yet? what planet are you living on??

[@georgefurman4371]

@@wasdwasdedsf don't come and parrot the multiple debunked lie that is cause of so much stupidity in courts all over the nation. And made comical exposition of a tragic to be conflict because insisting on bringing to discussion something exhausting to regurgitate on and on after so many clear loses in courts decided by judges appointed by trump himself. Because the GOP after so many audits and court failures to provide proof by Trump's lawyers even dismissed by the Supreme Court for lack of merit. Now you are going to restart it again?? Please don't get tired yourself?? Amazing.

[@ingridbergstrom5241]

Elite cheerleading in the purest form...

[@MsGyzy]

Koszonjuk kedves Anna! 😛😛😛

[@honeybld67]

Ann Applebaums 'Expertise' 🤣🤣🤣🤣 on journalism! 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@andyyygane4713]

She makes some good points, but the "premise" (if you will) is neo-colonialist in the sense that because she's at the "centre", her views count for more than those of someone at the periphery. In other words, I would like to hear a Hungarian rather than an American talk about Hungary. I have been told by Hungarians that a good opposition candidate could easily have won last Sunday's election but that Peter Marki-Zay (the opposition leader) is a controversial and deeply flawed character who wants Hungary to "get more involved" in arming the Ukrainians, an unpopular stance in Hungary. He also made some rather odd accusations about "many of Orban's government ministers being gay", which Hungarians (rightly or wrongly) understood to be veiled homophobia. Then he accused the Hungarian ethnic community in Ukraine of being "pro-Russian", which most Hungarian voters understood to be an unwarranted attack on the ethnic Hungarians living in the war-torn country, which could actually endanger their lives. Based on what I've heard, it doesn't surprise me that Orbán's Fidesz party got 53 percent of the popular vote (with a turnout of 69 percent).

[@victormeidan1062]

Yes, she hates people who vote the "wrong" way. So Orban must have cheated in his elections. But the US Democrats would never cheat in theirs.

[@andyyygane4713]

@@victormeidan1062 That's why I call the approach neo-colonialist, because instead of letting the local populations decide who should govern, they (i.e. the government or media establishments in Washington, London, Brussels or Berlin) seek the ability (power and influence) to determine who should run the government in smaller nations like Hungary or Greece or in medium-sized countries like Argentina or even in major players like India. etc.

[@Chevalier_de_Pas]

I don't believe in moral relativism. Illiberal one-party states are not morally equal to democracies! It's a good thing to deplore those hypocritical, cynical, violent, demagogic and dangerous regimes, and to be worried about its rise. The world is a domain of power and influence, and illiberal countries also influence other countries...

[@standalby6949]

Hunter Bidens laptop 💻

[@paulasamec8715]

Our democracy is a joke!

[@trumpisaconfirmedcuck5840]

Why?

[@Toquer88]

@@trumpisaconfirmedcuck5840 Because we have a senile, corrupt, paid for and spineless puppet in the Oval Office.

[@wasdwasdedsf]

@@trumpisaconfirmedcuck5840 the democracy of 100s of thousands of uncertifiable ghost votes, in just one of the american states, unveiled in the only audit that has been allowed to have been done as of yet? or are you going to deny that this literal vegetable who cant finish a sentance, actually wasnt the most popular presiden in all of history, and deny numbers and blatant reality staring you right in the face?

[@imdoghimim7995]

@@trumpisaconfirmedcuck5840 because Marxist trained millatant undermined the youth in America by raiding colleges .paid off by the ccp ran npos dem moderates. And those protests weren't peaceful .

[@mongoharry]

I enjoy going back and watching the presidential debates between President Reagan and President Carter. Rather than denigrating one another, they attempted to show that their positions were logically superior. OBSERVE Donald Trump in comparison, whose verbalizations are completely devoid of nuanced content and who has normalized a practice of name-calling, e.g., "Anne Applesauce"

[@joshuaaaron617]

There is absolutely no comparison, but no body cares. The only comparison that matters where trump is concerned, is the media. The difference between what people like Anne say then and now. She says the Biden family scandals are irrelevant, but all she did with trump in office is try and make his family scandals relevant. I enjoy looking back at gas prices, and not being on the verge of ww3, and inflation under control. The four years of getting fat.

[@wasdwasdedsf]

try observing anyone on the left, rather. you will run into a whole lot of rhetoric of "trust the science" and "shut up and take the experimental batch of chemicals for this cold season or we take your livelihood from you" 50% of this cult not long ago thought that you should be put in prison if you didnt take the experimental chemicals, and 30% thought their children should be taken away from the "unv-d" this cult of pu-s who runs away from every debate and engagement in facts, were what trum was against. but he said mean things on twitter...

[@martineshamzin7535]

Trump simply told the truth. II dont know what would have happened if the left tried to not treat Trump like dirt and lie about him, but I guess we will never know. have no idea what Carter was like. I know he ruined the country, and we are still paying for what he did to education. But Hilary Clinton lied about Trump non stop. Biden was worse. In fact, the supposed referees were arguing with Trump more then Biden. Biden actually said that 200 million Americans died of Covid, and Wallace didn't even point out the crazy number. And when Trump said that there was a vaccine ready to go, Biden said "THAT IS A LIE!!!" and Wallace nodded along, and talked about the cold dark winter...turned out Trump was telling the truth 100%. Just as Trump predicted that Biden would crash the market, and that Russia would go back to being aggressive. Trump was also right staying Democrats would close down the economy until it broke. And he was right about Dems reversing our good energy policies.

[@mongoharry]

@@martineshamzin7535 There are only abou 300 million Americans. Every one knows two out of three of us hasn't died. If Biden said that, it was an error and not an attempt to deceive anyone.

[@wastedhawkbeverages5030]

This is a dishonest person.

[@imdoghimim7995]

Evil

[@ricardodsavant2965]

The world you want will be the world in a twighly = The Budhahaha

[@imdoghimim7995]

Deleting my comments

[@alpenroseable]

these women like anne applebaum or julia ioffe are the hope of many people on the planet excellenr

[@Donneczka1]

Great talk from a great mind! Thank you!

[@davelamson2968]

What from a lying leftist ideolog.

[@wasdwasdedsf]

the democracy of 100s of thousands of uncertifiable ghost votes, in just one of the american states, unveiled in the only audit that has been allowed to have been done as of yet? or are you going to deny that this literal vegetable who cant finish a sentance, actually wasnt the most popular presiden in all of history, and deny numbers and blatant reality staring you right in the face?

[@martineshamzin7535]

BTW...she is lying about Hungary. That place is doing very well. Not much crime, better job security, even some prosperity and a rising middle class. So she is lying. And the "minority" in Hungary she is talking about are Hungarians. Its not easy to just cross their border and get to vote like it is here. They actually put their citizens first. Exactly as it should be.

[@amber40494]

Shes talking about freedom of press, speech, human rights. Orban runs all the media outlets so you lost your job if you were working for an independent news station

[@martineshamzin7535]

@@amber40494 In Ukraine there is much less freedom of the press then in Hungary, and in Canada also. Zelensky allows absolutely no free press, not even a pretense. In Ukraine they no longer have ANY private press at all. They literally have only one allowed news station, and it is run by the government. In fact, Canada is NO BETTER really. They now license journalists, and they will allow no licenses for journalists that criticize Trudeau! So you lost your job if you were working for an independent newspaper if you are un Ukraine or Canada as well. Actually, Hungary still allows independent journalism. It just gets pushed around. Kind of like in Russia. But free speech is taking a hit in the USA as well. But they dont have to resort to strong arm tactics. Liberals in the USA just make sure no one sees the story with algorithms. Like they berried the Hunter Biden laptop story. Now, I agree, Orban does strong arm the press, and they do get smeared as political activists, and many of them are in the employ of George Soros, who is about a million times more repulsive and dangerous then anyone else I can think of, and who owns Wikipedia( Wikimedia, actually) and who is stealing our freedom of speech. So a lot of the name calling ORBAN DOES IS SIMPLE TRUTH. BUT I SURE DONT HEAR HER OR ANY LIBERAL COMPLAINING ABOUT TRUDEAU OR ZELENSKY DOING FAR MORE TO GET RID OF FREE SPEECH/FREE PRESS.

[@AisuruMirai]

None of the things you mention are logical refutations of her claim. Even if Hungary were doing better than it ever had, that wouldn't be evidence against her argument.

[@martineshamzin7535]

@@AisuruMirai I wasn't attacking her argument. Just pointing out that she is lying. For one thing, George Soros has used his insane wealth to bribe, bully, and push his opinion of what society can be on Hungary. He has aided people from third world countries into entering the country and affecting the political direction. That is the opposite of democracy. That is basically saying "If you people will not vote for globalism, I will replace you with people who will" The majority of people in the west do not want globalism. They want their government to concentrate on helping them, not foreigners, and they have that right. Its the super wealthy elite and out of touch academics that want this. Her claim doesnt really make any sense, and she wouldn't need to lie to support it if it was true.

[@AisuruMirai]

@@martineshamzin7535 You said that Hungary is doing well, "so she is lying." But the point she is making has nothing to do with how well Hungary is doing economically or in terms of crime. What exact statements did she make here that are lies?

[@imdoghimim7995]

These people act like politics isn't violent there the same people that teach that violence isn't the answer . Then send there children to war .

[@joannaklug4467]

Szalom kobieto zapytałaś się już Sikorskiego twego męża czemu palił ubrania ofiary smoleńskiej, a nie oddał wdowie, popytajcie

[@bradwalton3977]

I an at 13:17 and I am still waiting for her to get to the point.

[@classicalaid1]

There isn't one point. There are many.

[@imdoghimim7995]

@@classicalaid1 many points that lead nowhere

[@willengel2458]

Democracy is not in crisis, US hegemony is.

[@karlwheatley1244]

The degree of democracy in the world has been declining for 15 straight years.

[@Mikathedog100]

No, US democracy is definitely in crisis.

[@karlwheatley1244]

@@Mikathedog100 Yes, US democracy is under attack by neoliberal capitalism and the GOP. We just had a president who derided and attacked democratic institutions and norms every week, sometimes daily. The GOP refused to bring up Merrick Garland for a vote--and are doing voter suppression all over the country. It's a growing crisis.

[@wasdwasdedsf]

@@karlwheatley1244 the democracy of 100s of thousands of uncertifiable ghost votes, in just one of the american states, unveiled in the only audit that has been allowed to have been done as of yet? or are you going to deny that this literal vegetable who cant finish a sentance, actually wasnt the most popular presiden in all of history, and deny numbers and blatant reality staring you right in the face?

[@karlwheatley1244]

@@wasdwasdedsf There were sixty court cases by the Trump folks and they all were essentially laughed out of court for lack of evidence--including by judges Trump appointed. His lawyers got in trouble for bringing "frivolous" lawsuits. His own appointee called it the most secure election in American history. Even the rabid pro-Trump group in Arizona, given illegal access to the votes, couldn't find any proof of irregularities and concluded Biden won AZ> There simply is no real evidence of meaningful fraud or irregularities--unless you are listening to claims in extremist echo chambers.

[@StrongbyLee]

Anne Applebaum also believed that in order to contain Russia, we should isolate them, which we did for years before the Ukrainian crisis broke out. She also believes that democracy is in crisis not because of anything the US did, but because everyone else is less morally virtuous, and they need our help. Despite everything happening around the world, she's doubling down.

[@BLD426]

I'm with her on that for the most part.

[@StrongbyLee]

@@BLD426 You think other countries that aren't liberal democracies are less virtuous?

[@imdoghimim7995]

@@StrongbyLee there all zombies.

[@trumblewumblehumble]

WE did not. WE should have.

[@amber40494]

You don't know any of that

[@woodyallen8997]

Applesauce: I’m a serious journalist!! Please take me seriously!!!

[@RussellsHouse]

She is a joke, and now we know her name! lol

[@johnmiller9681]

anne what about the Hunter Biden Laptop...

[@maximpopov8651]

She's a genius 💜 Peace Love and Democracy ☮️

[@martineshamzin7535]

She isa. George Soros Puppet.

[@stephanburton3296]

This has got to be among the creepiest things I've ever watched. I mean, what's up with her fingernails? People like this are in charge of American foreign policy?

[@minka6]

omg more Russian bots

[@stephanburton3296]

I have been posting on KZbin for many years, mostly on musical stuff. "Russian bots?" Shame on you.

[@wasdwasdedsf]

@@stephanburton3296 these are leftist bots. can only try their best to ignore reality to protect their ego

[@tomaszchromiec7447]

youre spewing nonesense, she is a journalist and an author, she is not in charge of American foreign policy any more than you are in charge of your mental faculties

[@monikamurren6700]

@@tomaszchromiec7447 my goodness I feel honored such a famous and respected foreign policy expert on KZbin as yourself deemed my humble comment worthy of a response. Thank you!

[@imdoghimim7995]

Democracy is always there don't get that messed up you cant say there is dictators fear mongeringb.but there won't be a guise of government overreach and oppressing political opponents. Is what she is implying . In the end .

[@ethanpurita]

🤡🤡🤡

[@ginaferreira9399]

A fantastic historian and journalist.

[@imdoghimim7995]

46:00 my guy got that fetanyl 😆 🤣 😂

[@jcbuffalogal1328]

Thank you for sharing a discussion with Anne Applebaum, one of the greatest historians of our time. Those of us who cherish democracy, should heed her words...

[@91dodgespiritrt]

"Applebaum" Ah no thanks!. I'm definitely NOT listening to her.

[@casteretpollux]

Infamous war monger

[@minka6]

@@91dodgespiritrt isn't a russian bot hard work?

[@davelamson2968]

She is a lying leftist ideolog.

[@rickpalmer9518]

No necessary,she now wears the vail of a woke leftard

[@mspenelope6874]

Disappointing, superficial analysis. Authoritarianism and nationalism are not identical. She misleads her less educated audience, and reinforces those already captured.

[@trumpisaconfirmedcuck5840]

Got any evidence of that?

[@imdoghimim7995]

@@trumpisaconfirmedcuck5840 yea you commented . That's evidence enough . Just by you talking is causing a disruption.

[@gasparucciox9706]

great woman

[@hubrisnaut]

Who is this mess? We are tired of stuttering "you know" and "kinda" and "like"s, um you knpw... like

[@c.p.vaughn5329]

THE END OF LANGUAGE. It's like the virus.

[@zawaprz]

Biased. Oh no .. she wanted Poland to be integrated.....with West .. what side of West ?? with Conservative or liberal? Same of Western Europe dilemma - case. ... Poland to become part of leftist or right Wing?...so see people how manipulative this story is?

[@imdoghimim7995]

He wasn't born in this country wth .??? Honolulu is a island not a country geographically get real . And nothing about Hawaii is American . 25 percent of Americans that did this poll was that percentage out of 100 people . This is why people get upset 😡

[@lembergnative7731]

Dude. Honolulu is not an island. It's a capital city of the State of Hawaii. It became a state in 1959. Are you even literate???

[@imdoghimim7995]

@@lembergnative7731 fake news groomer

[@trinket2fine]

Honolulu is the capitol of our 50th state. My brother was born there when my dad was stationed at Hickam Field in 1962. He is an American citizen and you are an ignoramus.