Another "1ms" Performance Fail - MSI Artymis 273CQRX-QD Review

[@phixi0n]

Love how brutally honest this channel is.

[@ps3guy22]

lmao. I looked at the thumbnail and title and was like "Damn."

[@sidepiece8344]

I bought an aoc 24g2 because of HUB. Love it lol

[@accelgamerhd4954]

It needs to be for companies to be better. If all they care about is money than yes for the money you will be throwing at them you absolutely have to tell it like it is.

[@urkent4463]

if anyone can remember the Omen X27 - had to look up in my brain - to get the name - and this channel seems to boycott it exactly in important lists

[@jasons4745]

Hub saving me time with the crap caption, greatly appreciated guys, keep up the great work

[@KingOfMelos]

One thing I will always love about your content is how up front and and simple it is, while also being of high quality. The tests you do are great, and if a product is bad, you're not afraid to call a spade a spade

[@darkomenz794]

I'm glad you call these out naming schemes as well 😁

[@binlo9959]

Why does every monitor manufacturer seem to get away with claiming a 1ms response time when almost none of them actually have a 1ms response time?

[@binlo9959]

@@damdibidum But isn't that fraudulent misrepresentation? How come it's legal to knowingly deceive customers?

[@metallurgico]

@@binlo9959 Because companies lie to get more money from more consumers.

[@binlo9959]

@@damdibidum Ah that makes sense, so the monitors may at some point have gotten a 1ms response time in a specific type of test - but that specific type of test represents an unrealistic scenario for end users Seems to me that regulators need to step in if market forces push manufacturers to behave like this

[@wanderer7779]

Some monitors have crazy overdrive modes that are unusable just so they can put that 1ms response time on the box. For this one even that wasn't possible 🤣

[@QuantumConundrum]

No different than 99% of marketing: Some exceptions apply, in some circumstances, unintended side effects may happen in non-lab conditions, talk to your doctor (which has been paid by us)

[@SkeleCrafteronYT]

I love the savagery at the beginning at MSI naming scheme. I don’t know why companies haven’t realised the importance of correct naming for marketing and consumers sake.

[@LeFatalpotato]

Just yesterday, a friend asked "hey I'm looking for a monitor what would you recommend" and I had to send him links because the names are impossible to memorize.

[@shanez1215]

@@LeFatalpotato Glorious AOC 24G2 master race

[@Ja-K]

They don't want clear naming because they'd likely have a harder time selling their shittier models.

[@eclipsemercx3687]

@@Ja-K .... 100%

[@ChromeDomeGames]

This channel is the epitome of professionalism. These gentlemen don't shred bad products with slang and derogatory comments. They use quantitative data with qualitative insights sprinkled in, which helps us less-than-expert-level enthusiasts understand the data they present. Lastly, they explain how and why they come to the conclusions they give us. I trust this channel to give me sound product advice, and you should too.

[@scrubruler5726]

4:22 "Now we get into the bad stuff" he says after already roasting the monitor and MSI for 4 minutes straight lol

[@SavingAsh]

I appreciate the data and honesty.. but as an owner of this monitor for almost 2 years now I can say without certain doubt that the "issues" you describe claiming its un-usable as a gaming monitor are rather exaggerated. I play FPS games at a very high level, over $20k in earnings in the pat 3 years alone, and that's without being a content creator or under contract to an org/team. That being said, performance matters, A LOT to me. I've had no issue with this monitor and honestly it was a HUGE improvement over my last. Whatever ghosting and 'fake' response times you say the monitor has clearly doesn't mean shit because I play just fine on it. What I'd like to point out though, which is my main talking point here.. is that this monitor only has one (1) single competitor in its class.. that being the G7. These are the only 2 monitors that I can find that are 27 inch 1000R curved with 240hz+ and 1440p+. Now that we only have two options that satisfy those requirements... We take a look at the prices and OH BOY! The G7 is anywhere between $580 and $700 USD. Meanwhile, the Artymis is roughly HALF that price coming in around $270 to $350 USD. In my eyes, something that is basically the same spare one small quirk, that is HALF THE COST is not something you should be calling 'Crap' and 'not fit to be a gaming monitor' If anyone is here because they are looking to purchase this monitor.. DO IT. I give my word you'll love it.

[@kscotth]

Love you guys. Thanks as always for the honest assessment.

[@xxgamergirlxx7917]

Thank you so much for your honesty. You've helped me make a decision on my RAM and my monitor for my PC I'm about to build. Sucks to MSI fail so hard after their Mag274QRF-QD which is a beast.

[@motherflerkentannhauser8152]

Thanks for the review! Was expecting this since this monitor is newer and similar to G7 so was wondering if it would be a cheaper alternative.

[@AntonChekhoff]

I wish Hardware Unboxed would make a comparison of BIOS (UEFI) interfaces of different vendors. Some of them are so complicated. I have Gigabyte X570 Gaming X. There is nothing gaming about it. The BIOS structure is confusing and many of the entries are repeated in various sections. Gigabyte X570 Engineering X would be an appropriate name. BIOS UI from MSI and ASUS is so much better.

[@someoneintheinternet7443]

you should search that specific boards name + bios in yt. also, the manual should have everything.

[@minbcraft]

What would a gaming UEFI even look like

[@ThunderingRoar]

Buildzoid has a 55minute bios walkthrough for gigabyte x570, maybe try googling first instead of asking other youtubers to custom tailor a video for you lol

[@AntonChekhoff]

@@ThunderingRoar I am not saying I don't understand the options. I am saying the BIOS is badly organized and the options are badly named for a gaming motherboard.

[@QuantumConundrum]

@@AntonChekhoff You're asking a gaming review channel to review gaming motherboard bioses/UIs. Seems quite fair to me! While I am not as invested I'd be curious to see it covered well, in one place by a channel I trust. Especially a comparative one with all the brands.

[@casl3054]

I'm curious about your thoughts on the new Gigabyte M27Q P that recently came out. It's the new version of the M27Q and uses a standard RGB panel instead of the BGR panel that they used with the non P version.

[@gladcomming]

Sadly, it uses lg nano ips panel from dell s2721dgfa

[@gladcomming]

Exact model is LM270WQA-SSA2, checked by serivce menu, so gigabyte in 2022 model impelemnted old lg panel which has problem with eye strain, this company is just so low quality it reaches mule in the ocean

[@freedom_fighter98]

@@gladcomming Really? I was looking to buy one, but the dell s2721dgfa gave me headaches. I was suspecting the nano ips.

[@moldyshishkabob]

@@gladcomming And here I thought they were improving what was a good budget 1440p monitor...

[@gladcomming]

@@freedom_fighter98 yeah, got screenshot of service menu if ur curious, i also had headaches and im so dissapointed waited 3 or 4 months for this monitor

[@BlueyBingo-qr9gy]

On one of the first videos I recently watched, I came from your comment on your intro song. You are really honest!

[@madjackgamingandfitness498]

I believe I have this monitor. My issues with it were way too much freaking blue compared to what was advertised, sharpness was good, the stand was good. But this monitor murders color not matter what adjustments are made due to the lighting. It at least was a lowish budget entry at the time.

[@barrycooper8640]

It's a new monitor ffs. You must have a different, also crappy, msi monitor. Do your research on products before you buy, especially with monitors as most are rubbish.

[@madjackgamingandfitness498]

@@barrycooper8640 I think I have the previous version this is based off of, as the guy said the naming schemes aren't doing them any favors. And I did do research vs budget during a cyber monday, obviously I fell for marketing, shit happens, I got first hand research now I won't touch an MSI monitor again.

[@MistahGamah]

@@madjackgamingandfitness498 Not sure that's the best conclusion, because other MSI monitors (MAG274QRF-QD for example) are fine, even excellent. Every company sometimes makes shit products. Some companies make them more often than others. Best to stick to products that have good, in-depth reviews by a third party imo, at least if it's a big-ticket/expensive purchase.

[@eukariootti1]

Especially with a names like 273CQRX-QD, It's highly recommend to carefully check the exact model. While also noting: * MSRP: one of the cheapest ones? * The relative age: last years model? * General specs: - 27" VA, instead of TN/IPS? - Quantum Dot layer (QD)? - Flat or curved (R1000? R1800?)? - 120/165/240 Hz ? Examples of the names for 27" LCD-monitors by MSI: MSI MPG ARTYMIS *273CQRX-QD* MSI MPG ARTYMIS 273CQR-QD MSI MPG ARTYMIS 273CQR MSI Optix MAG274QRF-QD MSI Optix MAG272CQR MSI Optix MAG271VCR As far as I know, as an owner of MSI Optix MAG321CQR (got it cheaply back in 2019...), codes are something like this: MPG more expensive lineup, than MAG 27 panel size is 27" 272 version 2 of the 27" model in question C Curved panel Q Quad HD (1440p) R Some sort of RGB-lighting X extended refresh rate (165 Hz --> 240 Hz) -QD Quantum Dot layer (wider colour gamut) V ? F ?

[@benjaminoechsli1941]

MSI did it. They finally made a monitor named so horribly that even the legendary Tim had to shorthand it in the review for the sake of his sanity. Sadly, that's the most "prestigious" thing about this monitor. It's actually pretty impressive how efficiently certain aspects of the monitor (for example, the curve, which is best suited for gaming) negate its few positives (good blacks, great color gamut for a VA, best suited for content consumption when taking into account the horrible dark-level smearing). All for basically the same price as the much better Odyssey G7? Hard pass on this, chief. Thanks to Tim for all the hard work he puts into these reviews!

[@greenumbrellacorp5744]

it was never meant for content consumption, why would u want a 240hz display to watch movies, its just a g7 2 years latter, for more money (the g7 can be found usually discounted due to its age), and its worse in every important aspect, sure better contrast.. like all the other va, samsung va had a terrible contrast ratio for va, the point is, it was still like x2 of what we had.. and KEPT the fast speed

[@lordofthemfl9899]

Thanks for such honest explanation.

[@Vartazian360]

Can we STOP curving displays less than 30"?????

[@megamanx1291]

No

[@andreasgarth659]

What a useful insight. Good job :)

[@jahshjahsh2002]

The only channel where I like the intro music.

[@nukedathlonman]

Ouch... Too bad it's performance isn't so hot, esp at that price point. But I do consider the hardware level color calibration a very welcome and extremely useful feature over the KVM - this is a feature I hope more manufacturers take notice of and more monitors will gain it moving forward.

[@subzero9691]

@hardware unboxed I'm considering MSI Artymis 27/32 or Samsung Odyssey 27/32 Monitor - which is better?

[@marlberg2963]

Love this channel. You do a lot of good work. A piece of advice from one who has seen a great deal of bad happen to good folks on YT that don't deserve to be treated that way: Upon observing two pongids flinging feces at each other the wisest course of action probably isn't to go and stand by either of them as the probability of becoming inundated with fecal matter increases asymptotically as the inverse square of the distance between either of the pongids and yourself. I don't know either of the two pongids involved but seems to me like letting YT take the hit for settling the dispute between them (or the courts) is the safer course of action in this instance. Just trying to look out for one of my favorite KZbinrs!

[@OriginalMergatroid]

Dude, that bottom bezel design is very common. I am surprised you even mentioned it. I have a 34" UW Lenovo and a 27" 16:9 Viewsonic on my desk right now with the same basic design. Same with many monitors by samsung, LG, BenQ and pretty much any other manufacturer brands.

[@Be4zle]

Could you test the MAG274QRX? It appears to be similar to the M27Q-X and uses the same panel as far as i am aware.

[@rxPACman]

damn, was hoping for a review on the MAG274QRX. another excellent review nonetheless!

[@isabelsgarden4180]

Thanks for reviewing this. I was looking at this monitor and was wondering... Now I know!!! Maybe an interesting other VA panel to review would be the BenQ EX2710r or EX3210r curved monitor. The 32" one was quite well reviewed by some youtubers.

[@googleuser7763]

I have been using an Odyssey G7 for over half a year now and I have had 0 issues with scanlines. I think that was an issue patched out with newer firmwares.

[@Zoomborg]

The odyssey monitors have gotten a bad wrap because their quality control is poor. For example you can't fix dead pixels with firmware updates. They released some updates to fix flickering issues but even that went on for a year at least before they even started getting updates out. You've mostly been lucky with lottery.

[@TheSektor13]

Şcanlines were not fixed with latest firmware. Actually nothing that i know has been fixed with latest firmwares. Most of all i hate long wake up time from "screen off".

[@ThunderingRoar]

consider yourself lucky

[@MadClowdz]

2 years ago this channel's review was the deciding factor in my purchase of the LG 27GL850. Love it, great panel, no regrets at all.

[@CLyons6]

I'm confused why we keep comparing a $484 monitor to a $699 monitor... am I missing something here? Is a 44% price increase not significant to other people?

[@Choleric-Leo]

How does this monitor's IPS 165Hz brother, the G273QF, compare?

[@enthusiasticgmgaming4165]

Awesome content! I really hope you guys also take a look at the MSI MAG274QRX

[@eliotcole]

I swear they just give these ridiculous names so that dumbasses like me go out and by the wrong monitor by one character.

[@yeshuayahushua4338]

I need to know, so msi mpg artymis 343cq, the ultrawide brother, is just 0 for a Gamer? I would love colors and contrast, but you said I would have ghosting and smearing and is slow? So is just a No No in gaming?

[@klasssavage6581]

Tim's humor is borderline savage. I'm in stitches. 😂

[@mickybaus6848]

Was the updated firmware as listed on the MSI support page installed?

[@angellike2234]

Thank you for your great review and your time

[@FPVPortugalTV]

Any review on the gigabyte m27q-p?

[@davidriedl4486]

the monitor is listed for 380€ on amazon. Is it worth buying for that price?

[@Bluelagoonstudios]

I bought 2 iiyama G-Master Red Eagle GB2770QSU-B1 4 months ago, for €250 a piece these are great, only the build quality with the original pivot are disappointing, but they are placed on a double monitor stand, which eliminated that issue. Also, the OSD knobs are placed at the bottom of the screen, with the original pivots everything is wobbling when you want to tweak something. But for IPS panel with 165 Hz refresh rate, these are pretty good. I don't use them for gaming, but in a digital music studio with an nVidea RTX Quadro GPU, for music production you also need a monitor with higher refresh rates for metering monitoring. So overall, I'm very glad I bought these without breaking my bank account. I came from an Apple iMac 24" display, but that one is not coming close to the iiyama's.

[@Alorand]

I wouldn't dream of buying a display for my PC that hasn't been reviewed by Hardware Unboxed nowadays.

[@InTheWrongTimeline]

Motherboard: MSI X650 Extreme WiFi Ultimate Monitor: 273X7305BHECH Yeah, not sure why they couldn't come up with something like "MSI Extreme Refresh Gamer 27 2022"

[@adamjo5287]

As a proud owner of 32 g7 im always happy watching your reviews knowing that nothing beats it ;-)

[@chaouafathi3719]

I'm planning to buy a 1080p monitor should I go for the BenQ ex 2510s or LG 24gn650b ty

[@cheater00]

Gonna play this video while I'm in the other room because even though I don't care about a crappy monitor I want to reward you doing good reviews of bad items warning us of them

[@movax20h]

Thanks for the detailed review. Could you review some Philips monitors, for example Philips 329M1RV? I am interested in in (as an alternative to Gigabyte Aorus FI32U), has really good specs and features on paper, but I am bit skeptical.

[@KenpoJuJitsu3]

"I really don't think it's worth spending anymore time talking about this monitor, because I don't think you should buy it." . Tim is an absolute savage, and I love him for it. Can always know exactly where a product stands. And you know a monitor name is ridiculous when even Tim won't bother saying it more than once or twice.

[@MrDutch1e]

Just got the MAG274QRX 240hz. Hoping it does well in your testing when you eventually review it.

[@racctor]

The Gigabyte M27Q P is available! In europe the non-P version hasn't been in stock for few months now. The New version even has a normal RGB design. A review would be awesome! Since its price is at 420€ right now, it is the same as the MSI MAG274QRF-QD. So quite the competiotion...... although the LG 27gp850 only costs 320 here in europe.

[@Honeycreepin]

I sent in my MAG27CQ for a warranty issue and they just sent me an Artymis 273CQR-QD (note- not the "CQRX") monitor as a replacement. The original monitor was LCD and around $250. Did I luck out, or is this even still a bad deal?

[@wi2eckliss329]

Are the Msi artymis mpg 323cqr response times as bad as this one?

[@joesterling4299]

Why curve a 16:9 monitor? Interest lost, even before learning about the shortcomings.

[@kon_radar]

I like the yellow-blue leds in the background more then the red-blue

[@piotrj333]

To be honest panel definitly has potential, BUT it seems firmware is driving overshoot poorly. Take a loot at 5:47. In places where response time is high, there is pretty much no overshoot, meanwhile in red spots of overshoot, there is suddenly very fast response time. Especially part of graph at "From 51 To 26" sudden red spots of high overshoot, but only 2ms of response time. Then we go to similar spot (from 77 to 51) and suddenly overshoot is gone but response time goes up to 12.9. Pretty much entire red area in response time could benefit from way more overshoot setting while dropping a little overshoot in red overshoot areas wouldn't hurt much. The most noticable part is moving from normal to fastest, top left corner is still 50ms+ response time (yuck) but there is literally 0 overshoot.

[@danw4520]

I game in a dark room, and can’t stand ips glow .Are there any good va panels besides the Samsung odyssey g7? I tried the g7 but the qc is really bad

[@djdeliso7949]

will you review the XG2431?

[@michaelvanrheede7225]

Tim we need the viewsonic XG321UG mini led 32" 4K 144hz review

[@altex3847]

we need you Tim. keep on monitoring the monitors :)

[@BMXaster]

LG OLED C2 42" with the new new panel when :( I can order it for you, it's widely available here in Europe if that's the problem

[@jjjjjjajajs1623]

is it better than the aw2721d? For Gaming valorant?

[@costearobert2216]

can you review dell gaming G3223D? and what is the best 1440p 32 inch gaming monitor from your side? i am pointing to gigabyte m32q because the asus pg32q is too expensive. a lot of people saying that m32q is better than lg 32gp850, but i didnt see any reviews about this Dell monitor. i know that Dell is premium. please let me know your oppinion. thx!

[@Sourav02312]

Difference between MSI Optix MAG274QRF-QD and MSI Optix MAG274QRF which is non QD. Can you compare both ?

[@NeptuneDesign]

You have a video once discussing the channel income and breaking it down in percentages, I tried searching for it but I can't find it. Could you perhaps assist?

[@Hardwareunboxed]

Pretty sure that was Linus. We might have mentioned it in a Q&A, but I don't recall and it would have only been guestimates.

[@NeptuneDesign]

@@Hardwareunboxed o okay cool thanks for the prompt response

[@oKidxFlash]

Is there anyway you guys can review the msi optix mag247qrx I haven’t seen any reviews on it

[@zxXcrishXxz]

Can you review the MSI MAG274QRX?

[@Wineblood]

Did Tim ever make that video explaining all the monitor specific terms?

[@qwertyferix]

Tim, we need more clarity. Can't tell where you stand on this one. 😕

[@mickeylickey]

Really what is an good monitor to upgrade to if I am on a lg 27? Beside that msi one with alllll the issues.

[@esmokebaby]

I was thinking of getting the none x version of this now not sure if I should get g5

[@haven216]

Here before MSI's marketing team asks to take this video down

[@ut2k4wikichici]

could you review prism screens ?

[@takehirolol5962]

Another leftover monitor that will surely arrive to my country, just perfect for our mandatory Christmas Bonus!

[@RavTokomi]

The previous RF-QD was really good and earned your recommendations, then they totally drop the ball with the next one.

[@Lishtenbird]

I often wonder if this is by design. "That previous model earned us media buzz, now let's release a 'similar' crap product and ride the money wave."

[@badadvice787]

What price would be acceptable for this monitor to be sold at and do you think the refresh rate should be 200hz instead of 240hz?

[@zoltanmuller4572]

Is SRGB and DCI-p3 better than the Samsung G7 27" VA?

[@Jojo_Tolentino]

Thumbnail alone is very helpful. 10/10 would still bother checking the review to know how bad it is to make such thumbnail.

[@elianjoensen2756]

are they gonna review the predator x32?

[@zackariahp1873]

No one has really been talking about this monitor: Samsung 32" Odyssey S32BG750. It drops on June 6 and the specs are crazy .

[@halrichard1969]

Well done. Thank You.

[@sergtrav]

What about MSI G273QF, is it good?

[@idontwatchtv]

Why isn't there a monitor out there that can beat my XZ271U. It's either lacking USB Ports or it doesn't have a headset holder. It's been 4 years and I want to upgrade damnit!

[@ApexLodestar]

MSI watching this video: "Hey Bob... Where's that blacklist again? Oh, and bring a pen with you."

[@briggan5327]

Damn was really hoping for the MSI Optix Mag274QRX review

[@nKrandom]

U're still delivering the best monitor reviews on YT. 👌🏻

[@purplehazeffc]

All I want is a 32" 4K HDR600 with a min 120hz and prefered to be a VA panel for better blacks.. Ohhhh. And it needs to be around $1000au Is there anything out there???

[@macht242]

Maybe they'll release a firmware update? I dunno I'm just waiting for a M32UC review at this point.

[@SupremeDP]

Could you review the MSI G273QPF / G273QF ? It's a great budget monitor.

[@WickedRibbon]

MSI names their monitors like a student trying to hit a word count.

[@galnart5246]

What's the 1440p 144hz ips whit the best colors 2022?

[@PashaGamingYT]

14:40 The advertised and real for HDMI are the same yet the real is in red, I'm confused. Is that a mistake?

[@YayDanMan]

Because this specific monitor is 1440p and 240Hz it would need the bandwidth of HDMI 2.1 to be fully usable so I'm pretty certain that's why Tim marked it red there

[@alvarsantini2653]

Please try to review the Gigabyte Aorus FI32Q X is a 270hz 1440p with HDR 600

[@theoldpcgamer77]

No 1440p monitor beats the G7. The only thing i'll change to is 240hz QD oled. IPS is bad and IPS HDR is a joke. Yes i do have IPS in SDR and top end HDR. FALD IPS is good in SDR but HDR is bloom, crap blacks city. 4k HDR is limited in response times and nothing close to the G7. 1440p 240hz is the best thing and we just need 27" 1000nit HDR oled in that.

[@592Johno]

Haven't seen a brutally negative monitor review from HUB in a while. Niceee

[@Ghalion666]

Been waiting for about a month to get a mag274qrf-qd. Waiting for a sale. Argh its painful, im using a 1080p 60hz monitor right now with an aldelake cpu ddr5, and an OC'd 3080Ti.

[@Jonathan-mu5nx]

HOW IS THE MPG ARTYMIS 343CQR?

[@shamrock-]

Careful Tim, don't get blacklisted!

[@benny_1985]

Have these guys tested MAG274QRX? Same specs as pg279qr but way cheaper

[@benny_1985]

‘qm’

[@thentil]

I have a feeling MSI is going to blacklist hardware unboxed again, doh. Love you guys!

[@guily6669]

I still don't get why on most expensive gaming monitors there has to be RGB and all that crap, I'd take a big discount over having RGB. I mean doesn't the screen have already enough RGB in it to display everything?

[@moogsi]

I love how Tim keeps calling out these fucking weird and inscrutable product names. So many model numbers are beyond parody at this point.