"ANSWER THE QUESTION!" Bent & Goldstein CLASH Over Claims Guardiola Is BETTER Than Ferguson!

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talkSPORT's Andy Goldstein and Darren Bent discuss Pep Guardiola's new contract for Manchester City and how his legacy compares to other Premier League managers.
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@FlailheadGaming
@FlailheadGaming 15 сағат бұрын
Pep is the best by far, I'm not a City or United fan so don't have any bias either way. But for me Pep not only has created winning dominant teams with an incredible brand of football but as a manager and tactician has worked across leagues and revolutionised the football in each league AND globally.
@ravhirani2660
@ravhirani2660 15 сағат бұрын
Cool now lets see him walk into a club and build it up from the bottom. Hes always walked into teams that have decent foundations
@FlailheadGaming
@FlailheadGaming 15 сағат бұрын
@ravhirani2660 yeah that's not his fault though, but I'm sure if he did he would do an amazing job
@ashlaw4392
@ashlaw4392 14 сағат бұрын
Other than landing at barca with that amazing team he has built one champions league winning team in 14 years.
@FlailheadGaming
@FlailheadGaming 14 сағат бұрын
@@ashlaw4392 yes that is correct
@garyh1572
@garyh1572 14 сағат бұрын
And he got it all from Cruyff .
@mpd7878
@mpd7878 15 сағат бұрын
Pep beat ferguson twice in champions league finals won 2 trebles many leagues in 3 countries. Sir alex had arsenal as competition. Won champions league in last minute vs bayern and on penalties vs chelsea another English club. Pep is clear of old red nose
@Batecatcher
@Batecatcher 15 сағат бұрын
Jake Paul beat Mile Tyson!
@cmr-4574
@cmr-4574 14 сағат бұрын
I didn’t know the champions league was in the premier league mate,
@eddiechea3603
@eddiechea3603 9 сағат бұрын
@@cmr-4574I bet if SAF would’ve beaten Pep twice you would have used this argument against Pep in this debate
@WaveForceful
@WaveForceful 3 сағат бұрын
SAF at Man united at the time of the treble had players that were also paying against much better players, on much worse quality pitches wearing bagger kits.
@chairman-wow
@chairman-wow Сағат бұрын
Pep, with every team he has managed, has inherited greatness. My post man could have won the champions league with that Barca side. SAF BUILT a dynasty, need I mention the class of 92? This is a school boys analysis from you.
@MattJ3enning
@MattJ3enning 16 сағат бұрын
Bent completely ignores the fact that Fergie took 8 years to to build United back up to winning a title and constantly talks about how pep has done things faster, while inheriting a team that won the league twice before he joined. Foundations of the argument aren’t there in the first place, if we’re going on starting point, subtract the 8 years it took Fergie to get into a position to win the league and go from there.
@eL--RaL
@eL--RaL 15 сағат бұрын
Yeah it took him all that years to win Prem after spending Sky Sports money year in and year out 😂
@samroberts6697
@samroberts6697 15 сағат бұрын
Let’s just ignore all the times Fergie broke the British transfer record…… Won nothing for a long time and United fans wanted him gone at first. 2 Champions Leagues in 27 years for the dominance they had on English football is poor. He also got badly found out against Pep in Europe where Pep embarrassed him. Fergie was incredible but it’s only longevity keeping him favoured he never had the impact on the game like Pep has.
@MattJ3enning
@MattJ3enning 15 сағат бұрын
@@samroberts6697 my point isn’t what happened before Fergie’s league title, my point is that Bent kept using pep’s starting point as a positive because he won titles faster, ignoring the fact Pep inherited a title winning team and Fergie didn’t. Can’t really argue with that it’s just facts, if you’re comparing in that way use the same starting point which was the first league title.
@MattJ3enning
@MattJ3enning 15 сағат бұрын
@@eL--RaL city spent oil money year in year out, pep just wasn’t there at that time. What’s the difference, use the same starting point which is the first league title for both managers.
@samroberts6697
@samroberts6697 15 сағат бұрын
@ city’s team finished 4th when Guardiola joined, your coming out with stuff you’ve not even fact checked. We won the league cup and reached a champions league semi final the season before but finished 4th so Pep didn’t inherit champions
@michaelroberts5680
@michaelroberts5680 16 сағат бұрын
Alex Ferguson - 2 European Cups in 27 years Bob Paisley - 3 European Cups in just 9 years
@magikarpsplashy
@magikarpsplashy 16 сағат бұрын
@michaelroberts5680 fergie didn't take over from Bill Shankly did he. Weird how Liverpool fans celebrate Klopp too when you then use this argument 😂
@symoncook3829
@symoncook3829 15 сағат бұрын
I agree Bob was more prolific!
@eL--RaL
@eL--RaL 15 сағат бұрын
​@@magikarpsplashy it took Fergi 7 years to win Prem 😂😂 Pep is THE GOAT ..even it took Klopp 5 years to win prem and 4 years to win champions league.. Fergie is overrated asf 😂
@magikarpsplashy
@magikarpsplashy 15 сағат бұрын
@eL--RaL you're surely not that desperate for attention are you? How sad to spend your living as a troll just to get people to speak to you. Lord above
@paddytumelty1248
@paddytumelty1248 15 сағат бұрын
@@magikarpsplashy weird how utd fans only count the prem the league only changed its name they didnt make a new league
@TerryC32
@TerryC32 16 сағат бұрын
Could you imagine if it was Wenger with sir Alex's achievements. Bent would die on the hill that wengers better but because sir Alex is Mr united bent is gonna argue hard for pep. It's pure bias! Not to say there isn't a conversation to be had about it. Pep is something special.
@williamsmith9315
@williamsmith9315 16 сағат бұрын
Irrelevant.
@blinkin78
@blinkin78 14 сағат бұрын
Could you imagine if your aunt had balls? Then she’d be your uncle , but she doesn’t so she’s not
@sarahjones4599
@sarahjones4599 13 сағат бұрын
Oh and andy wasn't dying when he got told that fergie never exceeded 100 points like Pep? or the fact that pep would win way more in the same time as fergie? Fergie was the best until Pep came along and showed the world how good his football is so much that the world started copying his style of football..Enough said
@jalberto428
@jalberto428 2 сағат бұрын
But he even said wenger ain't in top 3 lol
@hustler666100
@hustler666100 29 минут бұрын
did you listen to the convo Bent agreed its just between Guardiola and SAF.
@motherhand
@motherhand 15 сағат бұрын
In terms of impact...Pep (as a continuation and development of Cruyff'a Ideas) has completely changed the way football is played in the Premiership and actually the world over. Obvs Fergie was an incred manager but personally i don't think it's all about stats and for me there is not much comparison - Pep, as things stand, is just light years ahead of any other manager now and in the history of the game
@Rodney231
@Rodney231 14 сағат бұрын
Pep has been more dominant, whereas Fergie has longevity....it depends on what an individual thinks matters most, Pep has also done better in Europe.... I also saw Pep vs Fergie twice and the level of dominance by Pep's Barca against United...I will give Pep the advantage especially when Man United beat that same Barca Team some months before Pep arrived.
@blacklotus5364
@blacklotus5364 4 сағат бұрын
Nah, Fergie was dominant over three decades. That's not 'longevity', it's just dominance.
@LeominsterFC
@LeominsterFC 16 сағат бұрын
Centurions, Fourmidibles, more PPG, more goals per game, four titles in a row, more titles per season. All things Fergie can’t touch. And that’s JUST in his stint in City. If we take into account entire careers it’s genuinely not even close. Never mind the two head to head victories in UCL finals. Or the fact that Fergie didn’t even take training sessions. He was a glorified CEO. Pep is an actual trainer who can tactically run rings around Fergie, while also having a say in every aspect of the club.
@edwardchetty4943
@edwardchetty4943 15 сағат бұрын
Add Sir Alex Ferguson trophy's & pep trophy's in England,how is pep better.if pep has more trophy's than Sir Alex Ferguson then you can say this
@LeominsterFC
@LeominsterFC 15 сағат бұрын
@ Clearly reading isn’t your strong suit but I’ve listed several reasons in my original post. It’s not even close.
@ashlaw4392
@ashlaw4392 14 сағат бұрын
Fergie took training sessions but not later on you know cause of age. Fergie was also running aspect of the club pep doesn't have to bother with, he just runs training. 3 in a row twice, first and only non cheated treble, only double winning manager, 13 prems, took a team from 19th to winning the champions league on 6th try. Peps only won one champs league in 14 years. He got beat by fergie over two games before he beat him in two games. Managed to build 5 successful teams at one club not bounce around to the next best option or already winning team.
@saywhatyouwantmj61
@saywhatyouwantmj61 14 сағат бұрын
@@LeominsterFC don't know much about footy really do y mate!
@pikachu832
@pikachu832 14 сағат бұрын
How did he do at Bayern??
@stevevenus1
@stevevenus1 16 сағат бұрын
Football has changed a lot. Fergie achieved a major legacy of success. BUT he would be a total failure in the modern game. He was a bully that shouted at young players when they didn't perform. Can't get away with that now. He was not a great tactician but had a style that was very effective for many years. Pep is clearly a superior manager, just hasn't been there LONG enough to compare to Sir Alex's record.
@eL--RaL
@eL--RaL 16 сағат бұрын
Goldstein thinks pReMieR leAguE is the only league in football..Pep was at PRIME LALIGA..He won 3 LaLiga titles, 3 Bundesliga titles, Sextuple, 2 Trebles, 3 Champions leagues, 100 points in a season, 4 prem in a row and 6 prem in total, multiple records in football. Goldstein is a prem merchant just like brits who with arr ogance and del usions
@Bert-lw1ot
@Bert-lw1ot 16 сағат бұрын
I knew you wouldn’t be able to stay away 🎣🎣
@kianparmar9648
@kianparmar9648 13 сағат бұрын
well DOmestic Treble is forgotten in England
@voetbal12
@voetbal12 8 сағат бұрын
My dog could have won with prime Barca.
@Jaxel1926
@Jaxel1926 16 сағат бұрын
Pep has been better. Let’s not act like Utd didn’t just but the best players for a long period and spent loads! Pep has also won the UCL with other teams play a better style of football etc.
@Moneyball2598
@Moneyball2598 16 сағат бұрын
Pep dominated Fergie in 2 champions league finals and has dominated in every league he’s ever managed in. Maybe Fergie has had a better prem career as he was there longer but no way is he a better manager
@SpeedyHercules
@SpeedyHercules 16 сағат бұрын
Difference is.... S.A.F built United (and invested in the youth academy) to get them those league titles. Pep inherited already winning teams when he went to his clubs. That's the key factor.
@Flypidge
@Flypidge 16 сағат бұрын
Can pep beat Madrid in Europe with Aberdeen? No, does he go into a team that had not won a league title on 30 years? No.......pep is a coach and he is amazing but he is not even close to fergie.
@AJ-nd4nk
@AJ-nd4nk 16 сағат бұрын
​@@SpeedyHerculesPep built his football philosophy into something greater than what Cruyff could've imagined. Fergie was better in man management (even though Keane might have a few things to say about that), but Pep is superior when it comes to tactics.
@Triple_X_X
@Triple_X_X 16 сағат бұрын
​@@Flypidge He beat the weakest Madrid in history with a good club ..And it was the cup Winner's cup..You guys cover up stuffs just to put Fergie on some pedestal 😂
@Triple_X_X
@Triple_X_X 16 сағат бұрын
​@@SpeedyHercules Fergie had 90% foreigners in his team..stop this academy myth
@oseirabor1467
@oseirabor1467 15 сағат бұрын
Pep is limbs and bounds above Fergie. Tactically better, his football is better, his influence on the game is there for everyone to see. Ferguson is longetivity, nothing else. Let's not forget both guys met in the CL final twice.
@Batecatcher
@Batecatcher 15 сағат бұрын
His football is better 😂 yeah at putting people to sleep!
@ashlaw4392
@ashlaw4392 14 сағат бұрын
Beside longevity being the hardest of all to achieve. Fergie also knocked pep out over a two game leg should have won both games. Fergies tactics constantly evolved which game him the longevity. If pep can reach the longevity and create 4 to 5 different successful teams with a club he could be considered. No where near currently.
@oseirabor1467
@oseirabor1467 13 сағат бұрын
@ashlaw4392 when did Fergie knock Pep out? You sure you're not mistaking Pep with Riijkard. Also, Fergie's tactics did not evolve and that was why he came up short when he played very good teams in Europe. That explains why he failed to qualify from the CL group stage in numerous occasions and why he won only 2 CLs in 27 years. 1 of the CL he won was due to a John Terry slip and the other was due to last minute goals.
@eL--RaL
@eL--RaL 16 сағат бұрын
Fergie won 2 champions leagues in 27 years..These brits needs to stop the BS! 😂 Fergie had Sky Sports feeding him money..He bought Foreign players..He didn't use any academy for his whole 27 years..After 2000, his team was 90% foreigners..He a bused officials and PGMOL in his pockets
@mrinalshahi5682
@mrinalshahi5682 16 сағат бұрын
Dude you’re making too much sense stop it
@jonnyhull7860
@jonnyhull7860 15 сағат бұрын
This guy is on crack 😂😂😂hes just looking for a response
@MarmaladeBovril
@MarmaladeBovril 15 сағат бұрын
Waffle butty
@sarahjones4599
@sarahjones4599 13 сағат бұрын
And cheated in plenty of matches with fergie time and had refs in his pocket
@mga830
@mga830 10 сағат бұрын
Every team in the PL bought foreign players? Teams were buying foreign players before the PL existed..... Fergie did use the academy for the whole 27 years, post class of 92 - Brown, Fletcher, Bardsley, Cleverly, Welbeck, Evans, Gibson, O'Shea, Richardson and many more were either long term squad players or featured for a while and then sold for profit After 2000 - Giggs, Rooney, Ferdinand, Neville, Beckham, Butt, Keane, Brown, Carrick, Evans, Welbeck, Smalling, Young, Fletcher all British For the majority of Fergusons last ten years the spine of the team was Ferdinand Carrick Rooney.......all English, admittedly not the same level as the class of 92 but English players had a huge drop off in quality and quantity during those ten years. Sky wasn't feeding him money 😂 United were Yes we're all aware of the Rupert Murdoch links but it's a reach to say they fed Jim money 😂 I don't support United either, I'm a supporter of a PL team and football in general Stop trying to diminish achievements without checking facts BTW I actually think Peps better for different reasons but they're both greats and not fair to compare as the eras are completely different
@peptalk7658
@peptalk7658 16 сағат бұрын
Centurions, Fourmidables, 4peat. These are monikers Ferguson never achieved. Pep has a Treble with 2 teams in the Top 2 leagues. He also beat Ferguson twice in CL finals. In reality, Ferguson doesnt belong in the same sentence as Pep. Pep influenced football and Fergie never could.
@EbrahimKeraan-t4w
@EbrahimKeraan-t4w 15 сағат бұрын
Goldstein doesn't want to except facts; he can't except other teams are better than utd; Fergie had all the referees behind him; Liverpool were great, but Goldstein won't talk about it because it's Liverpool
@KeithBrighouse-r3k
@KeithBrighouse-r3k 11 сағат бұрын
Paisley is always forgotten because he was quiet but he won 3 European cups, 1 UEFA Cup, 6 League Championships, 1 FA Cup and 3 League Cups in 9 seasons
@around_of_apaws2381
@around_of_apaws2381 11 сағат бұрын
My top 5 greatest premier league managers ever: 1. Pep 2. Fergie 3. Wenger 4. Jose 5. Klopp Just for the record I support Liverpool
@lazoladipha9727
@lazoladipha9727 5 сағат бұрын
Fergie over Pep for me
@only1city611
@only1city611 13 сағат бұрын
Just for the record as we’re talking league titles and euro trophies then Peps won 12 in 14 seasons as a manager 1 behind Ferguson in 27 years as manager and same amount of European trophies 🤔
@voetbal12
@voetbal12 8 сағат бұрын
Peps premier leagues and euro trophies at Man City dont equal 12. Even if it did, Fergie has more than 13 of those two.
@DNC265
@DNC265 15 сағат бұрын
Bro made sure teams play from the back and not even just the PL. 😂😂😂😂 he's on another level
@bluemoon1716
@bluemoon1716 16 сағат бұрын
We're still doing this? Pep is a better manager than Fergie. Fergie had a better career in the premier league because of his longevity. Fergie is a better man manager but pep is a far superior tactician
@saywhatyouwantmj61
@saywhatyouwantmj61 15 сағат бұрын
😂😂😂😂😂
@Batecatcher
@Batecatcher 15 сағат бұрын
Ohhhh tactian eh! Let me know when Pep wins something with a team that he built not bought or that didnt include one of the best players thats ever lived!
@madeinengland9488
@madeinengland9488 15 сағат бұрын
Pep is the better coach with better tactics but Ferguson just ran everything.
@Triple_X_X
@Triple_X_X 14 сағат бұрын
​@@Batecatcher Built with Sky Sports money after 7 years to win a Prem title 😂
@AbdulMomin-ef3qo
@AbdulMomin-ef3qo 12 сағат бұрын
The only one negative for pep is that he's always had the best squads in Europe.. fergie made Manchester United, they've not won anything meaningful in 10 years but yet they are talked about more than city!! Plus Ferguson won with Aberdeen,, peps never done that
@redirish1916
@redirish1916 14 сағат бұрын
Bent is a hater of United always has been. Wasting your time with that conversation with him
@spencergargano6696
@spencergargano6696 3 сағат бұрын
Bent just hates Utd 😴 bitter
@them8k396
@them8k396 13 сағат бұрын
It’s shameful how talksport refuse to speak deeply about the 115 charges. These 115 charges are being played down. These charges are as big of scandal as Juve and Serie A.
@JulioTr95
@JulioTr95 13 сағат бұрын
Lol Fergie looks like a clown if he stands besides Guardiola
@igwekenneth8647
@igwekenneth8647 14 сағат бұрын
They forgot that pep slapped him up in the champions league as well😂😂😂
@40yearoldvirgil15
@40yearoldvirgil15 15 сағат бұрын
Brown envelope off the book bonuses to keep the motivation high
@RedHotGunners
@RedHotGunners 13 сағат бұрын
What Ranieri did with Leicester was way better than what Pep and Fergie ever achieved. I'd love to see Pep take charge of Leicester next season and win the league with them.
@jalberto428
@jalberto428 2 сағат бұрын
😂😂😂😂 Then if that's the case why couldn't he win it a 2nd time
@topoftheleague8814
@topoftheleague8814 15 сағат бұрын
4 in a row, treble (at Barca too), 100 points, domestic quad, most points, most goals, treble as champions too, do teams play the Fergie way countrywide... Fergie was good, but Fergie did it from a far more financially elevated position to his rivals! and with refs in their pockets... Shef Wed!! In real terms its a pointless argument, but it is getting to a point where it is not a point of bias view, but the view!
@craigmoorebrightsparkprodu799
@craigmoorebrightsparkprodu799 8 сағат бұрын
@@topoftheleague8814 not sure I'd be confident introducing the claim that Fergie had the refs in his pockets when Barca were literally involved in a bribery scandal. Yes, kudos to Pep for his playing style and his trophy wins all the same, especially as he's been doing it from a financially inferior position to his rivals.
@jimwilson-kl2xs
@jimwilson-kl2xs 9 сағат бұрын
Both great managers, silly conversation, main difference is Pep won titles in 3 major countries and if wasn't for Class of 92 SAF would have been fired
@lesetja6217
@lesetja6217 16 сағат бұрын
More points than titles? No ways Benty😂😂😂😂😂
@biafo4541
@biafo4541 15 сағат бұрын
Bent saying you cant compare 90s football to present football and then comparing present football to 90s football is funny
@sckiwidevil7822
@sckiwidevil7822 15 сағат бұрын
The Greatest team in English football. Managed by the 2 Greatest Managers ever. Sir Matt, and Sir Alex.
@matthewbarber13
@matthewbarber13 12 сағат бұрын
I usually agree with Darren but in this case he lost the argument the moment he said 13 titles doesn’t count. I’m an Arsenal fan and Fergie is the greatest. Darren you let yourself down there because you based your argument on two champions leagues in 27 years, he got to 4 finals, in that time span only Milan 5 and Real Madrid 4 managed to get to more finals, they had different coaches, Man Utd had 1.
@MKLDNGR
@MKLDNGR 15 сағат бұрын
Pep all day. Should also include Peps data from Barcelona and Bayern.
@ernohorvath2594
@ernohorvath2594 4 сағат бұрын
Ferguson made mid table or worse players a winner. Imagine if he had been given the budget back then to buy 1 or 2 more world class players every season.
@Remnants100
@Remnants100 Сағат бұрын
Bob Paisley won 20 trophies in 9 years. Including 6 League titles and 3 European Cups in 5 years, plus several league cups EUFA Cups, Super Cups etc. Football did exist before 1992. Perhaps someone will come along and rename the Premier League, does this mean all of the titles you are discussing are then obsolete.
@hooptic89
@hooptic89 12 сағат бұрын
Could pep win a European trophy with Aberdeen?
@batman1980
@batman1980 11 сағат бұрын
Fergie couldn't have done it now. You're talking different eras, now it's impossible without money. Back then it was possible as money wasn't so abundant and teams like Red Star Belgrade had success!
@harrismazari5484
@harrismazari5484 5 сағат бұрын
As a real madrid fan, It pains me to say that pep is much better than sir alex. ITs painful because pep is a catalan
@doncostellolo5408
@doncostellolo5408 15 сағат бұрын
Goldstein is right. Hasn't matched Fergies trophy count. Pep always inherits great team.. Barça, Bayern and City. Ferguson is still on another level. From a Chelsea fan
@lerumomahopo8854
@lerumomahopo8854 15 сағат бұрын
🎉that's false...when peo ingerted Barca it was not good st all it wasc3rd the season before
@EoinDonnelly123
@EoinDonnelly123 13 сағат бұрын
⁠@@lerumomahopo8854he inherited the Barcelona team that won the UCL in 2006🎉
@MatthewCepek-y5k
@MatthewCepek-y5k 12 сағат бұрын
Ferguson had no competition really until wenger came along. Guardiola has had to contend with multiple teams that could win the title. The league is also stronger in the last 10 years than what it was in the 90s. Ferguson only managed guardiola actually coaches.
@Mr.BednaR
@Mr.BednaR 2 сағат бұрын
To compare apples to apples take Ferguson's most successful 8 years and compare it to Pep's 🤷‍♂️
@AdamJensen2011
@AdamJensen2011 Сағат бұрын
Isnt it better to say Fergir is the better manager, but Pep is the better coach?
@AlexFearn
@AlexFearn 13 сағат бұрын
Comparing generations is slowly becoming irrelevant. No manager will ever stay as long as Fergie did and dominate at the same time. Pep is great. But it kills me to say Fergie is and will always be the best ever PL manager.
@blacklotus5364
@blacklotus5364 4 сағат бұрын
Klopp is cool but the man won one league title. He's in the top 50 easily, top 20 would be a debate
@tomodul2619
@tomodul2619 15 сағат бұрын
Fergie was doing what Bayern is doing in Bundesliga. Winning epl by buying best players from his competitors. Pep hasn't bought any top player from top 6 teams in epl to weaken them. Look at all those top players Fergie bought from his opponents when they were already World class players. Teddy Sherringam, Andy Cole, Eric Candona, RVV, Wayne Rooney. The only player Fergie failed to buy was Allan Shearer.
@voetbal12
@voetbal12 8 сағат бұрын
He won the league with Cleverley. Pep could never.
@tekfes9815
@tekfes9815 Сағат бұрын
Freguson and Pep had money to spend not that much Wenger in comparison
@Bleachguy2023
@Bleachguy2023 14 сағат бұрын
the second debate was prem title vs CL for me its the prem the CL is an icing on a cake
@AbdulMomin-ef3qo
@AbdulMomin-ef3qo 12 сағат бұрын
The main edge fergie has he won with Aberdeen and made Manchester United what they are.. peps always had the best squad in Europe
@paulmorganmorgan7541
@paulmorganmorgan7541 16 сағат бұрын
Could be 8 points if liverpool beat them at anfield
@GermanChickenwing
@GermanChickenwing 16 сағат бұрын
Could also be 2 points if City beat Liverpool.. We all could do the ifs buts and maybes
@Stevenbutterworth1992
@Stevenbutterworth1992 16 сағат бұрын
Good luck
@CircumNet
@CircumNet 16 сағат бұрын
Liverpool fans never change. Form is temporary class is permanent. There’s a reason league is 38 games
@gillie-monger3394
@gillie-monger3394 16 сағат бұрын
​@@CircumNetyou're right, class is permanent - that's why Liverpool are the most successful club in England. Citeh are merely 'coming up on the rails'.
@DNC265
@DNC265 15 сағат бұрын
And City will still win the league 😂😂😂
@StevenMax-q5o
@StevenMax-q5o 5 сағат бұрын
I am not saying pep is better than Fergie. But boy Goldstein has some very poor arguments for United's sake 6:00. 13 premier league titles!! how can you expect Pep to beat 13 titles when he has been here only 8 years🤣
@CaveyChange
@CaveyChange 14 сағат бұрын
Good year 86.... was born tht year. Go on bent lad
@ejasmohamed
@ejasmohamed 5 сағат бұрын
Darren bent is jealous of manchester united that's all. All teams Pep inherited had already won league many times before. And city allowed him to buy 7 players in one window. Chelsea have done this recently. No one had the power to change that many players in 1 window
@KS-xj7ux
@KS-xj7ux 2 сағат бұрын
Bent is delusional
@hooman9e
@hooman9e 12 сағат бұрын
Longevity would of course go to Fergie but he could only bully the poorer premiership teams of the time. United couldn’t do the same to teams that had the same resources in Europe
@Chegmeister89
@Chegmeister89 11 сағат бұрын
Tony Pulis has to be up there too.
@AdamAterovic
@AdamAterovic Сағат бұрын
Bent won the argument 😂😂
@mrfacts6860
@mrfacts6860 14 сағат бұрын
Pep > alex tremblsome
@edwardchetty4943
@edwardchetty4943 15 сағат бұрын
Well done Goldstein. Dont let benty say anything. In fact Goldstein benty should worry about arsenal
@vikingfrog7204
@vikingfrog7204 3 сағат бұрын
Judge both over the minimum term. So how much did fergiw win in the same time pep has been there.
@fatalmonk
@fatalmonk 16 сағат бұрын
7:32 did pep start his career at man city?
@williamsmith9315
@williamsmith9315 16 сағат бұрын
No, and I'm an LFC fan.
@craigmoorebrightsparkprodu799
@craigmoorebrightsparkprodu799 16 сағат бұрын
13 Premier League titles doesn't count!
@eL--RaL
@eL--RaL 15 сағат бұрын
Pep has 3 UCLs and 12 League titles 😂 He was in PRIME LALIGA as well
@craigmoorebrightsparkprodu799
@craigmoorebrightsparkprodu799 15 сағат бұрын
@eL--RaL 12 league titles doesn't count!
@thedean4431
@thedean4431 14 сағат бұрын
pep quadruple domestic cups pep 100 points
@paulwilson6311
@paulwilson6311 4 сағат бұрын
Pep is God.
@diegolove173
@diegolove173 15 сағат бұрын
Pep might be a winner but I’d rather watch Sam Allardyce Bolton than Pep Man City
@simthembilemalusi8670
@simthembilemalusi8670 6 сағат бұрын
Andy is so dof that he doesn’t even understand the simple time point that Bent was making smh
@Lagz123
@Lagz123 3 сағат бұрын
This Goldstein really try to go record for record with pep😂😂in 8 years he has destroyed every record fergie had and created some he never got close to. Most wins in a season Most consecutive wins Most goals in a season 100 points Most away wins in a season 4 titles in a row Domestic quadruple 3 of top five highest point totals in prem history Most points between 1st and second position.
@rugbyanalyst1
@rugbyanalyst1 16 сағат бұрын
Easily better tactically, but Sir Alex's longevity with one club will never be replicated. I think if Guardiola wins another Champions League, he could surpass Sir Alex.
@eL--RaL
@eL--RaL 15 сағат бұрын
He surpassed him the day he won treble with City 😂 champions league is the ultimate trophy not Prem 😂 Pep had 3 UCLs and 12 League titles
@rugbyanalyst1
@rugbyanalyst1 15 сағат бұрын
@@eL--RaL Potentially yes, I prefer Pep to be honest.
@rugbyanalyst1
@rugbyanalyst1 15 сағат бұрын
But if it's just about UCL.. do you think Don Carlo is the GOAT? He has 5, but hasn't ever won back to back league titles I think.
@russellward4624
@russellward4624 14 сағат бұрын
Hes already got more UCL than Fergie.
@rugbyanalyst1
@rugbyanalyst1 13 сағат бұрын
@@russellward4624 Yea I know but I meant like if he could get 2 in 10 years at City, it would surpass Fergie 2 in 26.
@coatsy24
@coatsy24 4 сағат бұрын
That was genuinely painful to listen to
@kianparmar9648
@kianparmar9648 13 сағат бұрын
He is better, then Fergie, also if he stays no one can argue he wont break that record too, so their is no debate, both had beutiful era and bboth have given the best football one can see and enjoy, thats the best part, one for 20 years and another since 14 years and still on so i guess its football that is being great then personality. By the way Daren forgot, Domestic Trreble and Treble and 100 Points and 4 in a Row....
@KBFragranceParade585
@KBFragranceParade585 16 сағат бұрын
this ahouldnt be a debate, pep is miles better
@olemastergolum7996
@olemastergolum7996 12 сағат бұрын
without howard webb fergie is nothing
@Trecesolotienesdos
@Trecesolotienesdos 11 сағат бұрын
Your producer told you to discuss this for views I bet 😂😂😂😂
@nasarhussain6555
@nasarhussain6555 8 сағат бұрын
It’s not a debate pep miles better and let’s not talk about money cause Man U we’re like Bayern buying the best players in the league and making others weaker
@Bleachguy2023
@Bleachguy2023 14 сағат бұрын
in my opinion fergie is the best manager in the world but pep is the best manager in the world right now each are the best manager of different eras im trying to be un bios as a man utd fan also this debate will go on forever like team messi or team ronaldo lets just agree both are the goats and move on tho for me its fergie over pep every day
@ScottGG-tq5ts
@ScottGG-tq5ts 2 сағат бұрын
Klopp shouldn't be discussed in the top 5!!! Fergie, Pep, Jose, Wenger, Big Sam
@leedsunitedoldschool2837
@leedsunitedoldschool2837 16 сағат бұрын
Forget Jose and Chelsea. It was Russian mob-money and no ffp.
@GaryHoyle-p6i
@GaryHoyle-p6i 15 сағат бұрын
I would really like one of these top managers to come to a league two side without any huge transfer budget or egos and Try to take them through the leagues from bottom to top !!! That would be a manager for me but it will never happen because its all about money end of !!! It would never happen These managers have huge egos too
@DNC265
@DNC265 15 сағат бұрын
Aren't you the same lads that said he wasn't going to win the league? What happened to that my friends? 😂😂😂😂Bro dominated and you all acting with your feelings.
@tommurphy3671
@tommurphy3671 15 сағат бұрын
Ffs lads you are like two kids
@GermanChickenwing
@GermanChickenwing 16 сағат бұрын
No 1 would put his savings on Fergie beating Pep to a title if both have the same money to spend..If Pep was in the league with Fergie for 27 years and breaks transfer records 10 times as Fergie, Utd would be in 11 or 12 league titles
@magikarpsplashy
@magikarpsplashy 16 сағат бұрын
I would if they both took over a team like Aberdeen or the United team fergie took over 🤷‍♂️
@bergiefbaby
@bergiefbaby 16 сағат бұрын
@@magikarpsplashy its different eras, can't really compare, if fergie took over Man U in this era and took 7 seasons to win a title like it did in the eighties he would have been sacked
@GermanChickenwing
@GermanChickenwing 16 сағат бұрын
Cup winners cup uno..​Do you know how many dead teams won that cup? @@magikarpsplashy
@lawmantheonetrueking3739
@lawmantheonetrueking3739 16 сағат бұрын
Totally agree. Fergie achieved something not done before or since with a club the size of Aberdeen. He broke the 100 year old domination of the Old Firm. If Pep took over eg Malaga and regularly beat Real and Barca by winning 10 trophies in 6 years, and then became the best team in Europe as Aberdeen was in 1983 then he can sit alongside The GOAT, SAF.
@lawmantheonetrueking3739
@lawmantheonetrueking3739 16 сағат бұрын
Bent should look at SAF record. He obviously doesn’t do his research.
@jat1994
@jat1994 16 сағат бұрын
Course he’s staying.. he has already been to the best with the most money to spend teams around.. there isn’t anywhere else to go with all the money
@Trecesolotienesdos
@Trecesolotienesdos 11 сағат бұрын
Sir Alex win more trophies and trophies without signings
@GenesisSN
@GenesisSN 16 сағат бұрын
By that logic di matteo is the best cos he got a ucl in his first few months🤣
@jackjohnson156
@jackjohnson156 13 сағат бұрын
Pep done it in 3 leagues tbf
@rossrobson91
@rossrobson91 16 сағат бұрын
Well he is, what is there to be confused about.
@yohannesmisikir7056
@yohannesmisikir7056 11 сағат бұрын
13> 6, End of discussion.
@gambitkiller457
@gambitkiller457 15 сағат бұрын
Im a Liverpool fan and even i can appreciate just how good fergie was. He was way better than pep is. Fergie built his fortress, pep inherited top teams with big money clubs
@russellward4624
@russellward4624 14 сағат бұрын
You clearly don't know football. He took over a bad Barca team. That's why he got the job. City finished 4th of GD and half the team was over 30. He didn't inherit a top team.
@Triple_X_X
@Triple_X_X 14 сағат бұрын
Oh yeah a del usional ENGLISH Liverpool fan looking out for his fellow Brits 😂
@EoinDonnelly123
@EoinDonnelly123 13 сағат бұрын
@@russellward4624A bad Barca that won the UCL in 2006…
@russellward4624
@russellward4624 13 сағат бұрын
@EoinDonnelly123 did he take over that team? Or the one that finished 3rd in a 2 team league?
@Triple_X_X
@Triple_X_X 13 сағат бұрын
@russellward4624 Was Fergie ever in a technical league where they had TECHNICAL players? He was in a league with no technical football just head less marathon runners..And it took him 7 years to win Prem after breaking British transfer records every season
@wrighthartlane99
@wrighthartlane99 15 сағат бұрын
What Fergie did at Aberdeen on its own I think can put him over pep. Dont be silly,Fergie alllll day
@Lowkey_AFC
@Lowkey_AFC 10 сағат бұрын
Pep changed football and Fergie didn’t it’s that simple he face Fergie twice and schooled him twice, I bet if pep was British this wouldn’t even be a debate Fergie as 2 CL in 27 of coaching pep already as 3 in 15 years he’s only been manager form 2009 and before he start going on about he only manages loaded teams well that same Barca team he took over went trophyless the season before he came and he’s first year they won 6 trophies lol yeah and why weren’t city dominating before he came because the money was always there why didn’t pelegrini or Mancini dominate than?
@Masterdlm1986
@Masterdlm1986 16 сағат бұрын
Bent is really so delusional about everything
@alokayamariug2929
@alokayamariug2929 13 сағат бұрын
This is the most useless argument I've come across .......... I know y'all love hits and views but what are we dooooing. Keep comparing and y'all will never get to truly appreciate greatness. Bent's argument is as bent as the word. Paaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaathetic just
@garythompson2106
@garythompson2106 15 сағат бұрын
Can only go by 8 years!
@kingmonde
@kingmonde 16 сағат бұрын
Pep took over a great team.
@sarahjones4599
@sarahjones4599 13 сағат бұрын
And made them waay better
@kingmonde
@kingmonde 13 сағат бұрын
@ obviously. But Mancini and Pellegrini were already mopping the floor with United and the league. I wouldn’t say Pep made them way better, he just made them better.
@kingmonde
@kingmonde 13 сағат бұрын
@ they were even knocking on the door of the champions league final before Pep got there. Had world class players already like Yaya Touré, Aguero, and Nasri. It was a team already better than the rest, and then Pep came.
@leedsunitedoldschool2837
@leedsunitedoldschool2837 16 сағат бұрын
Fergie over Pep. He built a club and several teams.
@eL--RaL
@eL--RaL 15 сағат бұрын
He built United with Sky Sports money and took him 7 years to win Prem ..Pep is BETTER by miles..Brits can cry
@DNC265
@DNC265 15 сағат бұрын
Pep changed the game even your academy plays like City 😂😂😂😂😂
@Trecesolotienesdos
@Trecesolotienesdos 11 сағат бұрын
United treble on youth city treble was money
@AbdirahmanIgge
@AbdirahmanIgge 15 сағат бұрын
Fergie better then pep alwayz
@thedean4431
@thedean4431 14 сағат бұрын
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