Anti-Vaxxer Who Paid $10 To Debate Sam Seder Gets His Wish

An anti-vaxxer paid real money and joined as a member to debate Sam. It did not go well for him.
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Radio Free America.
Tadio Free America. that this is him and he has claimed or maybe she has claimed that they joined the show today to I’m to debate me and wanted to debate. Hello, you're listening to another show.
Hello.
Hello yeah, you come from a 92 are you Radio-Free America?
I am. That is me.
Okay and so you want to debate me. and so here you go.
Yes absolutely.
Pretty good. I mean you got it you got to give it you got to give me big points right?
For doing that I mean because it felt like when you know I'd like a full segment because when Ethan had you kind of like ambush Steven Crowder like that, yeah you know you were expecting a full segment and you counted it as a win because he left the video chat right?
No, I counted that as a loss. I desperately wanted to engage with him.
But you know whatever you want to talk about we disagree on what…
You call me so you come up with the topic.
All right, I guess that was the one that you guys were gonna talk about.
Okay, and what's your point about vaccination. You don't think people should have them.
No, if you want a vaccination by all means like go get one. But I think that coercing people is like threatening termination and a job ought to be illegal in the United States. You can't make someone receive a medical like operation or anything like to work somewhere, can you? So why should we force people to get vaccinated to stay employed?
What would you be comfortable going to work if you knew that someone there had leprosy?
I think if someone is covid positive.
No no no no I didn't ask you about covid. I just want to start with like I just want to know where you draw the line. Somebody has leprosy. they're coming to work okay. Are you comfortable with working alongside that person with leprosy?

[@soconfused8031]

Note on the AIDS pandemic: you are legally required to disclose that you are AIDS/HIV positive to someone before you have sex with them. You're also not allowed to donate blood. There are plenty of legal restrictions based around people who may transmit AIDS/HIV, so this guy's point falls flat

[@rickandhews2690]

well he will just swiftly move to the next big brain take

[@alexmoorehead9636]

i bet this kid is big on the transwomen "trapping" men, too. "you better tell me the moment I walk up to you what's in your pants or else I'm justified in murdering you to defend my fragile manhood!"

[@leelindsay5618]

Aids epidemic....not pandemic

[@intuitionz1198]

@@leelindsay5618 how is this a point? do you know the difference between an epidemic and a pandemic? how does this is add to the conversation at all? 🤔

[@BenedictMHolland]

The epidemic happens to a single country. Pandemics are international. AIDS was a disaster because of Reagan bit AIDS was managed better by many other countries. Reagan murdered gay people left and right and only after millions died from AIDS and it was all over the straight community did we act.

[@SuperRand13]

As a 23 year old man hearing others my age argue like this really encourages me to keep my mouth shut, listen, think, and wait to really debate theses things bc damn i must be dumb af.

[@prodesu8607]

It's ok, at 23 most people usually don't know that much about politics, with some exceptions of course. It takes time to build a proper opinion

[@dbkaggie]

It takes some people longer than others to think outside of their own existence. Unfortunately as we've seen en masse of late, some never reach that point.

[@HypocritesExposd]

I’m in my 30s and STILL know there is MUCH to learn. I used to be left leaning but have definitely come to the center. The right is wrong most of the time, but definitely not all. Both sides think they’re right, but that of course can’t be true. When it comes to keeping your mouth shut, don’t. Asking questions is the best way to gain more knowledge. Trying to figure out what is BS and what is not is the challenge.

[@mr.dr0bot731]

If your 23 you don't have an argument to begin with. Your brain isn't fully developed you're still a child.

[@aussiesurfer805]

@@HypocritesExposd Spit on …. Don’t keep your mouth shut kid, being involved in open honest discussion is critical to learning … But more so, having respect , empathy and truly trying to listen to the other persons viewpoint and wanting to understand it. If you can do that last bit you’ll be a good person who can make a difference … And hey don’t worry about being wrong, you can learn more off that often then being right , but if you try and understand other peoples views who you may not agree with rather than just dismissing them because they are different to yours is the key … keep debating - with respect …

[@ICavalcadeI]

Yeah, the "my body, my choice" rebuttal might make sense if pregnant women were able to INFECT other women with pregnancy, lmao. But when dealing with matters of public health, "my body, my choice" is a nonsequitur.

[@reke9592]

The way he said it too was like “oh yeah this is gonna end this debate right here”

[@thefruch7588]

Yeaa one effects other people. One effects the self. Of course they don't think of this.

[@maxwessel7786]

He didn't even deliver it in coherent context. He just parroted it as a panic button.

[@mena376]

If post-abortion women were more likely to catch and spread covid. That might make debate VERY interesting.

[@sle2470]

It's just another lame whataboutism.

[@JordanG123]

The "do your own research" in unison by Sam and Emma was hilarious

[@andreaskarlsson5251]

Honestly always found that slogan annoying. 😆 and both sides use it too! Its because people do their own inept research that they believe all kinds of stupid shit 😆😆

[@rdk2323]

​@@andreaskarlsson5251They are clearly using it ironically

[@andreaskarlsson5251]

@@rdk2323 yes, I know? Werent talking about them

[@joshanderson3640]

If Sam did research he wouldn't be pro covid Vax.

[@Kidomaru222]

@@andreaskarlsson5251 Who the hell are the "both sides" lmao. Do your own research is almost excusively a conspiracy theorist catchphrase.

[@bradlupien2770]

Unreal that someone would actually pay money to embarrass themselves. I could hear his last braincell fizzling up from here.

[@whenwedecay]

He is more than likely the smartest person in his social group... this allows us to view the state of education for those under 30 in conservative circles

[@tamarak9393]

@@whenwedecay I bet his friends call him Einstein cause he’s so smart.

[@FakingANerve]

$10 is actually quite cheap for that particular kink.

[@whenwedecay]

@@tamarak9393 he's the one they go to when they need to set the record straight... 🤣 In all seriousness, the caller's argument was so poorly executed that it actually provided comical relief for the majority of us. However the thought of these poor souls acting on their right to cast a vote and also influencing others to vote is cause for concern

[@lilmoe4364]

Pzzzzzzz.. (the last brain cell) 🤣🤣🤣

[@joshuaDstarks]

Sam fulfilling these poor Make-a-Wish kid’s dreams. What a guy!

[@waltmccarthy9837]

Yeah, let’s not laugh at ill childrens’ expense.

[@frank6842]

@@waltmccarthy9837 but make a wish is bullshit anyway

[@pearcesharper844]

@@frank6842 is that you John Cena?

[@thinkbeforeyoutype7106]

Hahaha

[@thebeigesheep6132]

@@frank6842 is there a make a wish controversy I missed?

[@blueshells50]

When i considered myself conservative, this is how i argued. This show helped me see how freaking shallow conservative and libertarian thought is.

[@dalesplitstone6276]

I am not in any sense of the word conservative, but I have not had the Covid-19 vaccine. I told my GP, who has given me all my vaccines, including the shingles vaccine, that I am unvaccinated with regards to Covid, but will get vaccinated against Covid-19 as soon as she can administer the vaccine. When I told her that I have been exposed to Covid at least 4 times in the past few months, but have not got Covid, her response was, it is very unlikely that I have not had Covid. My dentist, who I would also accept the vaccine from, agreed, and added that he, who is vaccinated and boosted, has probably had Covid, but doesn't know because he has never been tested. About two weeks ago, I was at by brother-in-law's retirement party, and my youngest niece, who is vaccinated and boosted, was gibing me hell because I'm not vaccinated. Now she and her hysband both have Covid, but I still haven't had Covid, to the best of my knowledge. BTW, I am 68 years old, and will soon be 69 years old.

[@chrism2042]

Sorry you were brainwashed by the left!

[@blueshells50]

@@chrism2042 I'm sorry your brain is made of pudding

[@roqm1248]

If the caller said he didn't trust these vacancies as they were done quickly he might have had a chance...

[@davidswentnickas7595]

Actual Libertarians are pretty far left (anti prohibition, pro-choice, pro-LGBT etc) so I hate to see them roped into blanket conservatism but there's a lot of crazy evangelicals & stoned Republicans falsely claiming (and polluting) that label unfortunately

[@Spyderredtoo]

When I was 7, I had polio which left me dropping out of school while I recovered and relearned to walk. The idea that someone want to infect others with a deadly disease is a social issue. Amazing how conceited the caller is.

[@auntiepha8343]

🏆🎯

[@Farticuss]

Honestly. And even if you want to approach the issue from the capitalist's side: should an employer not be able to institute rules to ensure the operation of their business? If a covid outbreak happened in your factory and suddenly half you staff are out sick or quarantined, that's a big problem. Should that business owner not have the right to put rules in place to prevent that from happening? I think it's the shittier argument but might be more likely to get through the skull of some selfish libertarian type.

[@jimmydean4494]

Get that booster

[@SG-zp5uy]

It's different when vaccines are harmful but the authorities are lying about the risks and covering it up. It's not true that everyone exposed to polio virus gets it. There are holistic approaches to these diseases and holistic solutions that work. The risks need to be fully disclosed and people deserve the freedom to choose. Where there is risk there needs to be a choice.

[@BasedRoots]

You guys are in a cult. Sorry you can’t see it

[@earlyriser03]

I love how Sam is dismantling this young man while eating his food. That’s what you call a true “working lunch”.

[@bonafideredneck1842]

He didn't dismantle anyone, he strawmaned like a wimp.

[@majesticpublicenemy3201]

@@bonafideredneck1842 Dat reiich wing projection (and fitting name btw)

[@soltkiote7785]

@@bonafideredneck1842 Cognitive Dissonance at its finest. Thanks for proving the point.

[@TotsNater]

@@bonafideredneck1842 How's that Trump reinstatement going? Still on track for August 2021?

[@Israel-nb7ip]

Didn't take much work...

[@gthirst]

Eviscerated. Wow. This guy is just constantly so confidently incorrect. It is honestly amazing. He just gets destroyed on one point and moves on to the next and repeats over and over again.

[@waltmccarthy9837]

He should run for office in the Bible belt. They’d love ‘em.

[@thefruch7588]

The biggest problem for him. Is that he's 24....lol you have soo much false confidence at that age. He learned some surface level shit and thinks he's brilliant. Then he gets pushed and is like uhhhh subject change haha

[@JesusSprintingOnTheOcean]

Fr deflection after deflection like a deflector or something

[@whenwedecay]

"My body, my choice" I felt embarrassed for the caller. The ignorance was appalling

[@DescartesStrollsIntoAPub]

This is how rightwingers argue.

[@redfan1912]

This guy was PAINFUL to listen to. The HIPAA argument was just ridiculous. How is it that so many people still don't understand what HIPAA actually is/does?

[@khill8645]

The same reason people still don't know how to spell it - 'cause it's HIPAA

[@sealyoness]

Almost everything this guy says is ignorant, and I don't know why HIPPA is part of the convo. When I was 22, I knew people who WISHED the polio vaccine had been available when they were kids, because they lived through it. I knew people who WISHED the government had mandated measles, et al vaccines, because of family/friends who would have lived. Today there are living people who might have died, and dead people who would have lived, but for the Grace of Choice.

[@redfan1912]

@@khill8645 PARDON ME your excellency. At least I understand what the fuck it actually applies to.

[@Adamska156]

For those that don't know, it doesn't bar anyone from asking you anything about your medical history, that's absurd. It stops people from sharing what they do know about your medical history without your consent.

[@redfan1912]

@@Adamska156 exactly. Specifically only applies to covered entities and their business associates.

[@philippgro4978]

I cant with this guy lmfao!! "Why do you associate your black gf with the question of immigration?" .. Best moment

[@shgalagalaa]

The three people ganging up on him imply that he's a racist. Then make the bad faith inference that you quoted when its painfully obvious that he brought up his black girlfriend as it discredits the idea that he wants only white people in the country. He even explicitly states this. You people are legit as brainwashed as alex jones fans jesus

[@haraldisdead]

No, it really wasn't. He was accused of being concerned with "white demographics."

[@tristanalain9239]

"I'm not racist I have a black gf" This caller just evolved the black friend argument.

[@XeroCool420]

This kid is the epitome of the revelation that damn near 50% of the nation doesn't read above a 7th/8th grade level.

[@idontwantahandlethough]

You're being _incredibly_ generous here.

[@gibn1542]

@Pedro Cruz it's not really that hard to access

[@CoryMp3]

Definitely. Most people are very very shallow in their understanding of the world. - before our boy Pedro Cruz jumps in: I have a masters degree in human physiology.

[@SeraphSeph]

@Pedro Cruz Uh, are you good? A 7th grade reading level is pathetic, anyone could read at that level if they put in a menial amount of effort. He's not being a know it all.

[@SeraphSeph]

@Pedro Cruz and yet you replied.

[@anony1596]

As a 24 year old, this guy makes me sick. He makes 24 year olds sound like 14 year olds. Dude grow up

[@theunholinesswithin70]

It's just conservatism, the ideology is based on dishonesty, narcissism and immaturity.

[@LeeH688]

He sounds exactly the same as the anti vaxxers I know in their 30s, 40s, and 50s.

[@shortstuff780]

yeah, i'm 26, not too much older. and this guy is either a troll, or honestly just mentally unright. no way he's being serious

[@tmc31390]

Nah, it’s the folks who are 10, 20, even 30 years older than him that are worse. He’s just a youngin who’s believing the nonsense the older generations have taught him. But he does need to grow up.

[@Ryattt81]

NOT TRUE! He only makes himself sound like a 14 year old.

[@jacksfather]

I love when every time that he loses he doesn’t say “I was wrong” he just changes the subject

[@GSP-76]

That's par for the course when debating simpletons.

[@dannyc8875]

Not sure who u are referring to when u said; ...every time " HE " loses he doesn't say.... If u have a chance 2 get back...thx. Best 2 all, danny

[@user-sf9gs2pg1b]

I think he just realized he lost but it’s kinda embarrassing to be like,” you win on that point,” you know?

[@darkhorse381]

@@dannyc8875 HE would be the one that was changing the subject- the caller

[@darkhorse381]

@@user-sf9gs2pg1b Yea that's fair. Very few people would admit they are wrong. But I hope some of Sam's arguments stay with him and chip away at his belief system over time. He seemed like a genuine, naive young guy that was just brainwashed into this ideology

[@luizmatthew1019]

I wish they got him on not knowing that HIPAA doesn't prevent people from asking you. It just prevents your doctor/medical institution from disclosing without your permission. Super common myrh

[@jameskeathley7554]

Was just gonna say the same thing. Find it hilarious when people bring up HIPAA and have no clue what it's about.

[@ClayChapman0]

@@jameskeathley7554 I think you'll find that this is a common theme among most conservative talking points

[@neilmcfadden9760]

Its because you have to disclose a card in order to keep your job... thereby disclosing your medical information. You cry babies should be on the side of having a choice of what you put in your body..

[@collinhenderson8646]

Well I wouldn't only say that for a previous job of mine we couldn't tell details of events due to HIPAA regulations so it's not just from doctors/medical standpoints.

[@PaintGuru24]

It would also prevent any entity who has your information from disclosing your information to a third party without consent but yeah. The idea that asking you upfront is a violation is bogus.

[@davidbonilla7770]

If you don’t even know how HIPAA works you really shouldn’t try debating anyone let alone Sam Seder.

[@gabesperber9958]

People with no knowledge of what a covered entity is or a business associate love to throw around HIPAA in contexts that make zero sense. In this call's case, a company that is interviewing a prospective worker.

[@lizzyschenk8878]

The constant misrepresentation of HIPAA drives me nuts. It’s not that hard to look these things up but clearly people like this dude just repeat talking points from other misinformed wing nuts like MTG or Boebert.

[@davidsummers4820]

The caller is clearly misinformed. But Sam's statement at 12:53 seems out of line with current practice. When does Sam imagine an employer asking a candidate, "Do you have any communicable diseases?" The US Equal Employment Opportunity Commission makes clear that a question like that should only (if ever) be asked after an offer is made, i.e. without contingencies.

[@clareshaughnessy2745]

I love people who want all the benefits of living in a society but don’t want the responsibility

[@mckenzie.latham91]

“Fuck you as long as I get Mine” the mantra of the libertarian and right wing

[@brianm7278]

I think they're assholes. Who likes assholes?

[@nosuchthing8]

That's the conservative view across the board. They want schools, roads, but balk at helping to fund such things

[@johndupont8628]

Don't mention getting a fishing license they become condescending twats. like hatchery workers, biologists and game wardens don't need to get paid. Really tired of the never ending straw man culture wars.

[@pussydestroyer87]

Exactly. They want all the freedoms but none of the responsibility.

[@Jin420]

This kid is just full of ego...... lacking much humility to understand anything other than whatever fake news he gets. It never hurts to read & fact check. 💯

[@thefruch7588]

Oh to be young haha. So confident yet so Ignorant

[@thesoundofmerk]

tell em Jin

[@southendbos]

They’re clearly not teaching deductive reasoning in school. It’s one thing to not know about messenger RNA and microbiology. It’s yet another to speak with authority on topics you know absolutely NOTHING about without the aptitude to even begin to comprehend the subject matter. That’s what’s infuriating about people like this.

[@roundabout468]

@@glennjohn3824 I can tell you right away your weird uncle's Facebook posts aren't a valid source.

[@ladypokerdealer]

So many people around me are just like him 🥺

[@limitbreak2966]

10:17 “cause I’m naturally immune” NOOO you are NOT. You’re 24 and got lucky

[@killercuddles7051]

say... 1/100,000 people died from SARS CoV-2.... Lets pretend it was closer to 1/10,000... Most of these people were in poor health and SARS was just the final straw.... 1/35 people getting Myocarditis and an endless list of other side effects.... I'll take my far less than 1/10,000 chances

[@cgallegos2106]

Not to mention that “natural immunity” isn’t permanent, especially for highly transformative diseases like the Flu, the common cold (which always mutates) and now Covid. Guy is immune from a strain of Covid, which loses its effectiveness within 6 months.

[@jassonsw]

This guy is hopeless. Whenever he gets absolutely nailed on a point he changes the subject or moves off on a tangent. And he's relentless, there's no pause to acknowledge "oh yes you're right about that" or "I might have got that wrong", he just keeps going and going with no self awareness, let alone shame.

[@chrisg9573]

That's exactly how right wingers operate, when confronted with facts outside their echo chamber they run and hide like their Messiah Trump.

[@allyson186]

That's the worst part I think.

[@0-0-0-2]

This is how every republican argues

[@itcouldbelupus2842]

Conservatives don't care if they are right or wrong, they just want to win.

[@lastx2534]

It’s actually natural to go ‘well what about this’. It’d be nice if everyone took the time to acknowledge other peoples points where and when they have them but in reality most people associate being wrong with negative consequences and obviously seek to avoid them. A lot of brain stuff but basically when you are ‘proven wrong’ in conversation it is natural to trigger a fight/flight response. But to your credit it would be nice if more people could learn to anticipate these reactions and hopefully be able to think more clearly during interactions.

[@equinox8891]

LOL. These call in segments are pure entertainment, comedy gold.

[@ZobethC]

I need Steven Crowder involved so Sam can trigger him 🤣

[@Captain-Sum.Ting-Wong]

It's amazing how they see White Boy #54 get destroyed by Sam and then think they have what it takes to "beat" him in a debate.

[@spittinglama91]

I'm actually surprised Sam didn't catch this, but HIPAA laws actually only apply to people in the healthcare industry and anybody asking someone about their medical history isn't a violation. HIPAA laws involve the protection of your private medical information from the servicers and the people who store that information. Ex: A hospital cannot share your medical information with anyone without your consent. But if someone ASKS YOU your medical information and you tell them, you have therefore consented to having them know. Now of course you don't have to provide someone your private medical information if you don't want to, but they also reserve the right not to provide you with a job if you can't verify that you are not a medical danger to the other employees around you.

[@rcodyromero]

I caught that, too. I was like Yo Emma, Sam, tell this kid HIPAA applies to providers that store your information. Its not illegal for people to ask you questions lol

[@Armeddragon12]

But doesn't it change the situation if you are REQUIRED TO ANSWER the question in order to get a job? That is what I figured the difference was in accordance to the HIPAA violation. Otherwise how would the workplace know if you are telling the truth or not?

[@ShimrraJamaane]

@@Armeddragon12 Employers can require health standards for their employees if there is an articulable need for doing so. HIPAA is only a law that affects healthcare providers or those who process medical information.

[@spittinglama91]

@@Armeddragon12 brother, you have to pass drug tests to get jobs too.

[@Chance57]

These people would have you believe if you walked up to a random person on the street and asked them (random survey) If they've ever been sick with anything, you've committed a crime. They really believe that if they have a cold and you know about it and you tell someone else about that, you've broken the law. That's exactly how they think HIPPA works. No strawman. No exaggeration. That's it. It's absurd.

[@shuricartier4871]

I almost bailed because the kid has zero knowledge about anything but then Sam dropped that elbow & told that brat he'd have only him vaccinated 🤣🤣🤣

[@killercuddles7051]

I'd shank a ho if they tried Jabbing me with that poison

[@TAKINGACTION-j9e]

Coming straight from the horse's mouth, only more proof that they're harmful.

[@Bostonceltics1369]

I joined under Bush when I was 17 and I was well aware of all the vaccinations that I needed to get to leave boot camp this is been that way since probably I don't know when? These antivax debates are effing ridiculous. I want to see evidence that vaccines are worse than the virus then we can talk.

[@ismeal231]

The precedent for mandated inoculation against diseases in the military has existed since the Revolutionary War, which predates even the invention of vaccines.

[@MrYago-xd7um]

Hell, vaccines were a selling point during Desert Storm cause people feared catching something other than bullets on deployment.

[@russellmania5349]

Have you looked at the Pfizer documents that have been released so far. The only reason why Pfizer is releasing the documents now is because they were ordered to by a federal judge. The 4th dose gives no protection against infection after just 8 weeks and this was a study that came out of Israel. If the vaccines worked so well we wouldn't be having 500,000 Covid cases per day. We have more infections today then we did before we had vaccines.

[@Bostonceltics1369]

@@russellmania5349 it seems like you're not accounting for the mutations in the variations of the strains of the virus. The vaccines worked until no one took them and the virus spread until the mutated that had nothing to do with the efficacy of the vaccine.

[@russellmania5349]

@@Bostonceltics1369 78% of the population has has at least 1 dose and 66% of the population are fully vaccinated. Its true that most people didn't get a booster shot or a 2nd booster shot. My parents for an example got the J & J vaccine and they both say they are not getting any booster shots and who can blame them they were told that the J & J vaccine was a one and done deal.

[@kevinarzola4781]

This is a good example of why Steven Crowder refuses to debate. Dude got shat on

[@darkrider962]

Steven Crowder still checks under his bed every night for Sam Seder.

[@robertosalinas1659]

@@darkrider962 he checks his closet too. And probably keeps a night light on just to be extra safe.

[@ColeDaniels]

@@robertosalinas1659 He sleeps in his gun holster

[@Kropothead]

“Run like hell.”

[@sunshynff]

Hell, even Joe Rogan, who has proclaimed many times "Don't use my show to make decisions on politics or government, I don't know shit, I just talk about it and give my opinion" destroyed Crowder over legalization of marijuanna. I literally thought Crowder was going to cry. I've never seen anyone want out of Rogan's studio so badly.

[@brandondill5640]

This dude backs himself into a corner with every talking point. I’ll give the guy credit though, most conservatives will go from losing a vaccine debate to “what about black on black crime in Chicago?” in less than 2 minutes. This goofball at least stays with it somewhat.

[@jork8206]

Yeah honestly this guy seems a little brainwashed and dumb, but he's probably not too bad a guy. Maybe there's some hope left for him if he gets a wake-up call

[@aeroripper]

Yea the employment of whataboutisms is pretty infamous among right-wingers.

[@GunGuru2945]

What? The vaccine was so important that like half the people didn't get it and we don't have crisis anymore. If someone shit out a polished turn most of you would eat it lmao

[@spunkinater]

I hope Seder gets a wake up call. Dude said he is pro mandates at 7:40. What? With what science is he using to back up the necessity to force EUA medicine? We are on booster for a reason. Herd immunity is unobtainable through these vaccines.

[@JaydubyaX]

So true.

[@highlightrelz897]

Caller: “People die with seatbelts and without seatbelts. Therefore, we should not have seatbelts”

[@hirampriggott1689]

This wasn't a debate. This was a beatdown.

[@nosuchthing8]

Yes

[@frostylo4485]

Call the cops lol :D 😆

[@lindaleelaw5277]

You get what you pay for.

[@frostylo4485]

@@legionanonymous3165 yea an arrogant falsely confident young adult. Boastfullly challenging a veteran on the subject or in the field.... pure gold 👍👍👍

[@somergone]

I am not a violent person... But this scared me how much I love bloodshed.

[@ImStayGold42]

This kid is wrong on literally every topic he opens his mouth about. 🤦‍♂️

[@snoopy_peanuts_77]

he mentioned a few people that he obviously listens to and that would explain why....

[@marcning918]

Well that's easy to do when you fail to think things out for yourself. He sounds like a parrot with a really extensive vocabulary to me, not one original sentiment the whole time Sam talked to him.

[@tenkenroo]

Happens when your media diet is Fox News, newsmax, oan and Alex Jones.

[@jeremyjimenez8153]

It’s a great example of how right wing talking points fall apart under scrutiny

[@white_isnt_a_race2338]

So hes a conservative….

[@IsThisAmerica1]

"Leprosy and ebola are self regulating. The invisible hand will take care of public health" is this guys argument. Unbelievable.

[@growthisfreedomunitedearth7584]

Because they are a death cult. Gop are necromancers. They use death to gain power. This is why they need a child to be born and take the breath of life before they sacrifice it to their god, the almighty dollar.

[@disobedienttiger6240]

The hand isn't invisible, it just fell off.

[@armandhammer2223]

As if in a capitalist society people would have the option to stay home and not work. Would he expect the government to give "handouts" to people so they could survive? And if they got "handouts" according to him they'd never go back to work.

[@zzanatos2001]

It's a mixture of "The Invisible Hand" and "Survival of the Fittest."

[@myname2339]

People were coughing on eachother in supermarkets and claiming COVID was a hoax so he thinks that people will stay home if they have leprosy and Ebola? You know some crazy Karen would we out there with her nose falling off starting a freedom convoy for lepers. 😂

[@brians9508]

"the vaccine stays localized in the arm" lmfao

[@williammanning5066]

Everybody knows you have to get one vaccine in each limb or it's not as effective. I've almost completed my vaccine Xodia

[@quiznights]

The anti-vaxxer had the benefit of having his argument ready while Sam could only react on the spot, and the anti-vaxxer was still destroyed.

[@a.j.7264]

The antivaxxer believed fox news had adequately prepared him for the debate.

[@psychicbyinternet]

And Sam was eating for half of it lol

[@herculesbrofister265]

@@a.j.7264 exactly most of the Regressive Republican's positions seem to be little more than memes. Grossly oversimplified versions of a topic with only a superficial understanding.

[@SG-zp5uy]

No antivaxxers are right

[@MrDeceptacon88]

Dont worry loser..host had months preparing his argument

[@theragmeister7148]

This is a great testament to how conservatives debate. Once you get pressed and don’t have a way out, you just move the goalpost.

[@brandonw6139]

It's because people like this person believe something regardless of facts or reason and look for reasons to fit what they already believe

[@lukelyon1781]

Yup

[@Lakers0olll]

Kind of like comparing COVID that was around for a couple months to leprosy that’s been around for thousands of years. If COVID was continuing to kill people thousand of year later I’m sure people would be open to a vaccine. Not an expiermental vaccine made in less than a year to people who are not threatened(under 30 years old)

[@Ariaga_II]

How righteous of you. That’s the result when someone has a flawed argument or is incapable of coming up with a better argument. For example, from a public health stand point a forced COVID vaccine would remotely make sense of it’s proven that a vaccinated person was unable to transmit the disease. However, studies show that COVID is just as transmissible from a vaccinated person from a non-vaccinated person, thus an argument for why a vaccine mandate isn’t necessary. This guy was unprepared for a discussion. Many other individuals could have easily wiped the floor with Sam on this topic.

[@gigaimpactor981]

@@Ariaga_II That’s not the entire point. Yes, someone can still pass COVID with a vaccination. But there is an INFINITELY higher chance they recover from it without BEING SENT TO A HOSPITAL OR DYING. Not to mention the fact that it lowers the risk OF CATCHING IT IN THE FIRST PLACE. Keeping up, ding dong? The data bears everything I just said out. What’s the evidence you have that proves the vaccines aren’t effective. And effective in this case means: lowering hospitalization rates, lowering deaths from COVID, and reducing the overall amount of COVID cases among majority vaccinated populations. Go on. Try.

[@jcash49]

It's hilarious watching right wing logic fall apart when they claim to be all about freedom, but then proceed to explain how they only care about their own rights. Them: "The govt should not mandate anything to protect public health." Also them: "The govt should mandate against all things I don't agree with."

[@stinkyham9050]

Thats not a right wing thing, that's a radicalized thing. When people are too right or too left they make up their minds before even thinking about the issues. I have a radical leftist friend who has told me many times that I should lose my right to vote because I always vote conservative (we live in Canada) and all others like me. He believes the only people that should be on the ballot running are liberals. He's also said multiple times that anyone not believing in liberal ideology should be force by law. I've explained to him that he's describing a dictatorship but he says that impossible because it would be a liberal government. There's radical politics on all sides.

[@HalfCrazy520]

@@stinkyham9050 - A sample size of ONE to demonstrate that those on the left are radicalized?

[@stinkyham9050]

@@HalfCrazy520 No its not just one person but it's not like I can leave a comment explaining the circumstances around every radical leftist thing I see or radical leftist person I meet. I do have a quick radical leftist for you though, he's the Prime Minister of my country Justin Trudeau. He's the most perfect example of a true woke radically left ass bag that I could think of and he runs the country I live in. Pretty good example don't you think?

[@stinkyham9050]

@@HalfCrazy520 Also I didn't say ALL those on the left are radical I simply said there are radical politics on all sides.

[@HalfCrazy520]

@@stinkyham9050 You can't 'both sides' this... The radicals on the right are advocating for a civil war, while the radicals on the left advocate for universal healthcare and common sense gun control. Big difference.

[@TwoForFlinchin1]

The way he just casually drops that he doesn't care about people who die from the flu is so telling. He thinks he won't die from the flu because he's big and strong and will never be old or ever be immunocompromised at any point in his life

[@maynardthegreat]

But old and immunocompromised people can just get the vaccine 🤷‍♂️

[@alexcarranza15]

Also, he doesn't care about public health at the moment but cares so much about job automation in 15 years? It's always selective with this people.

[@southendbos]

@@alexcarranza15 Mepublicans. It only matters if it happens to ME.

[@termsofusepolice]

I have yet to meet any hardcore libertarian or anarcho-capitalist who isn't empathetically disabled. At the core of their ideology is the belief that any human society which is not in a constant state of culling the herd by allowing the survival of only its strongest and best positioned members is disordered and immoral. It's really that stark.

[@theoneandonlyroelle]

@@southendbos omg, let’s start using that!!!

[@randallflagg9659]

This dude moved the goalposts so many times, he may need to see a back specialist.

[@theinvisiblewoman5709]

He doesn’t even understand that HIPAA pertains to healthcare workers sharing your medical info not the individual being asked to share it, in which one can refuse due to privacy rights. If that was the case you couldn’t asked your friend who broke their arm what happened since them sharing their own info would be a HIPAA violation xD

[@mitchellhughes5180]

🤣

[@roqm1248]

Caller didn't have a leg to stand on...had no salient points for his position...he tried to use his feelings as facts and flat out made up points to argue on.

[@tappistrt]

And yet Sam still kept putting the ball right between them.

[@sunshynff]

@@roqm1248...Yet we are the ones that apparently "don't like facts" or thought that "facts cared about our feelings". It's a toss up to me which is the most disgusting trait of the current GOP and their supporters, the denial and/or demonizing of objective reality, or the hypocrisy that drips from every word they say and action they perform.

[@user-roninwolf1981]

"You can't force people to get vaccinated." Schools require their students be vaccinated. Hell, the military herself requires all of the troops to be up to date with vaccinations. Refusing to get vaccinated is considered Dereliction of Duty.

[@waltmccarthy9837]

Yep. These people argue against the right of abortion by ignoring the Ninth Amendment and insisting, “there is no right to abortion in the Constitution.” Okay, well does the Constitution explicitly state you have a right to refuse a vaccination during a pandemic?

[@TylerMelnychuk]

you know they answer this in the video right?

[@rustyshackleford735]

You can't force people to be vaccinated (except in cases were a person's freedoms are considered void, such as in military service), but that doesn't mean you are forced to allow them to freely endanger others with unrestricted intermingling.

[@Ar1AnX1x]

your comment exposing their lack of knowledge reminds of the polls that shows the majority of Conservatives believe in Laws that are not even in the constitution, like I was reading this poll with multiple questions and a lot of them thought multiple things that are not in the constitution is in the constitution. like they literally just Guess what's the right thing to do is on a very serious subject, which basically means they're Feelings over Facts.

[@Khalkara]

@@rustyshackleford735 We absolutely can force people to get vaccinated outside of those specific contexts, and after we have vaccinated the willing in the 3rd world, we should force the remainder.

[@g33ch33]

This guy must work for the NFL. The way he moves the goal posts, it has to be his full-time job.

[@philipvipond2669]

"What HIPAA laws can your employer violate?" Unless your employer is also your doctor, none. No matter how hard they try.

[@TLofHTown]

This is not entirely true - your employer's Benefit Administration team may have access to your PHI (via sign up sheets and billing resolution documentation, for example) and if/when they do, they are thus covered by HIPAA laws. However, an employer asking about your vaccine status does not run afoul of any HIPAA laws. The caller is completely wrong in his understanding of HIPAA.

[@knavishknight]

@@TLofHTown "The caller is completely wrong in his understanding of HIPAA." Maybe he's right in his udnerstanding of the non-existent HIPPA law.🙄

[@randallflagg9659]

My guy really thought his list of right-wing propaganda talking points was going to win him a debate against Sam Seder. The Dunning Kruger effect is real. 😂😂

[@gabesperber9958]

Yeah, you have to wonder how this guy imagined this conversation going any differently.

[@LexoG33]

​@@gabesperber9958 I just imagined the big brain meme talking with dude's voice

[@RoninDave]

He thought he had Sam on the ropes when he threw down his trump card of "My body, my choice!" He probably imagined that when he did Sam would be sputtering and floundering as my man deliver blow after blow. Instead when that didn't happen he desperately tried to shift the discussion. So many rightwingers have these strawman arguments that when they do actually encounter someone on the left who is reasonably informed they find themselves crumbling

[@randallflagg9659]

@@gabesperber9958 i have to wonder who ties his shoes or him.

[@satyasyasatyasya5746]

How are these people real? Honestly. "Shouldn't have to this! Shouldn't have to do that!" Dude, this isn't a political debate, this is a 24 year old teenager with the intellectual energy of "STAY OUT OF MY ROOM! YOU CAN'T TELL ME WHAT TO DO!" It's just so tiresome. They are arguing against the very things that make their lives livable because they have no notion of what the world was like before all these rules, laws and regulations. Their 'arguments' would create a world of untold suffering, disease and poverty. Its just delusional.

[@therealivydawg]

When Trump said covid isn't a big deal that gave them permission to be this way.

[@snoopy_peanuts_77]

hence why conservatives want to keep them even dumber by stripping away any meaningful education and shoveling them into religious/sanitized indoctrination schools

[@topleftfromtime]

Amen to everything you said my G. Kid is a literal NPC

[@BH-fi1sb]

well, as they continue to cut education....

[@maynardthegreat]

So you would be for mandating this covid vax that doesn’t stop you from giving or getting covid and all the subsequent boosters?

[@ding-go]

Wow, conservative media is like a Dunning Kruger machine. This dude is so confident and yet EVERY single point he tries to score is thoroughly crushed to dust.

[@TAKINGACTION-j9e]

Give me ONE liberal value that is a part of America's founding principles. I'll wait here patiently....

[@ding-go]

@@TAKINGACTION-j9e Give me ONE conservative value that is a part of America's founding principles. I'll wait here patiently....

[@TAKINGACTION-j9e]

@@ding-go You're throwing in the red towel already??? haha that was fast. cause you can't answer the question. typical dumb liberal

[@thepolarphantasm2319]

​@@ding-goconservatives have to be punchlines because if they didn't have "being the globe's joke" they wouldn't have anything at all other than fear and panic

[@WynnWynn-gl3fk]

He is a narcissist. Too many males are one.

[@nicholasppoole]

as a dude in a mixed race relationship my entire soul cringed into itself so hard that it created a goddamn singularity when he said "You think I'm worried about white demographics? my girlfriend is black"

[@ImNotaRussianBot]

I'll bet the dude whips that out everytime his racist, selfish bullshit is highlighted.

[@corruptgunslinger]

@@ImNotaRussianBot I hope he doesn't partake in any whipping where his black(probably ex now) girlfriend is concerned.

[@cy-villian]

You did exactly the same thing as he did yet you are critiquing him for it ...

[@SweetieHeart388]

literally just the "I have a black friend though!" argument lmfao

[@pugachevskobra5636]

Your parents, reflecting on their decision to spend the Plan B money on wine instead: 😞🤢😬😱😥🤡

[@vincesmith2499]

Requiring your employees to get vaccinated DOES NOT VIOLATE HIPAA.

[@Sidkain]

Exactly. I love when people bring up HIPAA around things like this. It clearly shows they just learned an acronmym and throw it around wherever they want. HIPAA only has to do with confidentiality with your doctor and third parties. Any Joe Schmoe can walk up to you on the sidewalk and ask about your health and they aren't going to be violeting any law. You have every right to keep that information to yourself, but HIPAA has nothing to do with it whatsoever.

[@anzumazaki7798]

Lol he wasted 10 dollars, Sam would have destroyed him for free

[@disobedienttiger6240]

i was entertained, so $10 helped me?

[@kelbale]

I love the howling in the background hahahahahaha "... if we have children..."

[@michaelmckay1782]

This dude has no idea what HIPAA is and the second he insinuated asking vaccination status was a violation of HIPAA Sam should have hung up on him. The caller is massively uninformed.

[@dangeerraaron]

I was going to say, if the hosts understood whom HIPAA applies to (ie not this caller, unless he is an ignorant health care professional/worker) , they could've called them out immediately that the particular law does not apply in the scenario he presented.

[@caseyconnell9336]

Employers are violating HIPPA by asking people about their medical history😂😂 That’s so deluded, I’m younger than this dude and even I know that HIPPA is a law about the healthcare documents, and only medical employees and professionals are held to HIPPA, not the general public

[@ZS-bg7jo]

HIPPA applies to HOSPITALS AND INSURERS. It is in the name. Employers are within their rights to know if you have a communicable disease, have been vaccinated, took that day off for a cold with a doctor's note, and if you have a condition impacting your ability to do the job and any reasonable accommodation to be made under the ADA.

[@MrYago-xd7um]

Comments like yours are why I don't understand the hate for zoomers.

[@russellmania5349]

@@ZS-bg7jo How about allowing businesses and employers to enforce their own requirements if they want without any government mandates. Many businesses and employers do not care because they are putting profit over lives which is fine because this is capitalism. I don't see to many businesses in my area enforcing any mask or vaccine requirement. The businesses were very eager to lift all the restrictions as soon as the mandate went away, so obviously they were being forced by the government.

[@ibringit987]

I love how it didn't take long for the cognitive dissonance to kick in 'I think if people test positive for something, they should stay home and not work till they recover!' *So you're for mandatory testing?* 'No!'

[@jeremyr722]

Exactly. It’s honestly mind numbing how far gone conservatives are

[@ibringit987]

@@jeremyr722 It's the perfect summation of their perspective on covid they hate the pandemic but want to take none of the measures necessary for preventing it lol they just want to complain

[@DaMasta_Sho_Nuff]

That’s when I was like here we go…🤔🙄

[@sonic8005]

It's a recurring issue with these guys. It's why the likes of Jimmy Dore and Steven Crowder don't teach these guys how to debate ideas but rather to regurgitate talking points without scrutinizing them.

[@ibringit987]

@@sonic8005 I also think it's just inherent to conservative belief. I've not had a single conversation with a conservative in which they're able to articulate what they believe and *Why* they believe it it's wild

[@josealaniz1402]

This guy was really trying to use the, "my body, my choice" like it was going to destroy him 😫

[@PorkchopXpress]

If it were up to these types of people, we'd still be fighting Polio.

[@superblump87]

@Roberto Vidal Garcia "freedom"

[@oopalonga]

i know right? it's not like the first polio vaccine caused thousands of cases of death and polio or anything. . . . don't worry my friend. a google search is easy these days :)

[@oopalonga]

@Roberto Vidal Garcia correct

[@belgarion4513]

@@oopalonga I am old enough to have lost a friend from polio. I wasn't even knowing why I coulnd't see him. Just learned years later why he died and how he suffered. You are too ignorant to be talked to.

[@MistedMind]

@@oopalonga What would be the upsides of Polio and other such diseases still being a mayor cause of suffering and/ or death of children and adults?

[@oldcdog91]

This poor guy wrote down “my body, my choice” and thought “haha, GOT ‘EM!!”

[@opencommentsbbcnewsnight1704]

He hadn't reckoned with the fact that a lot of leftists don't really support the logical implications of their own rhetoric.

[@markschaffer480]

@@opencommentsbbcnewsnight1704 No. The failure is all yours for not understanding the qualitative difference between a public heath problem caused by a transmisible disease and abortion...unless you are dumb enough to think abortion is transmisible.

[@ColeDaniels]

​@@opencommentsbbcnewsnight1704 Because a term coined by one group standing for one thing and a another group standing for something completely different, where said coined term doesn't apply, but by focusing both groups to a single political side you can call them all hypocrits for a term that only represents half the groups. Dishonest, delusional and just about as transparent as always from fools like you. Carry on ribbing the BBC, no one actually watches their propagnada left or right with any seriousness. That's why your channel gets no views even though you probably think you're on some righteous crusade against them. To quote your kind, wake up sheep.

[@HypocritesExposd]

@@opencommentsbbcnewsnight1704 and that abortion is not the same as covid vaccines.

[@JonTheBomb24]

@@opencommentsbbcnewsnight1704 No, the logic is consistent. "my body, my choice" is in reference to a women's right to choose whether or not to have an abortion. The logic is that the government shouldn't have any sort of say over what women will do with their own bodies. The logic holds for the COVID vaccine, because the government never forced anyone to get a vaccine at all. That was your employer applying coercive pressure. The government mandated that the corporations TEST their unvaccinated employees for the safety of said employees. The corporation would rather force you to get vaccinated, or fire you, than PAY to get you tested every day. At the end of the day, private corporations acted fully within their own rights to willingly fire people rather than pay a little extra to keep their vaccine-skeptical employees around.

[@johnmcgovern5372]

At last, I've been saying for over a year that it's not a vaccine mandate it's testing mandate with exceptions for vaccinations.

[@termsofusepolice]

Exactly! Yet even the mainstream, neoliberal media chooses to feed the fire by continuing to refer to the workplace regulations as "vaccine mandates". And it was funny to see this kid say he was against vaccine mandates because employers don't have the right to demand their workers undergo medical procedures - but then immediately say he was also against testing. Even though employee testing (for drugs) IS standard, accepted operating procedure throughout multiple industries.

[@thejuniorseas7683]

Even with vaccinations they would still be required to do mandatory testing, as far as COVID goes. The CDC said that even if vaccinated, you can still catch it, spread it, and get sick from. The shots just mitigate the symptoms. Hell, CDC had to redefine "vaccine".

[@aaronfitz2061]

Have you figured out the reason now that we know everyone that was vaccinated was getting covid?

[@tylerhibbs7086]

@@aaronfitz2061 probably because vaccines don’t prevent infection, rather they reduce the effect of whatever you’re vaccinated against, any reason u don’t speak on the 90% of people hospitalized by Covid being unvaccinated?

[@maclectic]

@@tylerhibbs7086 Because, we now know the vaccines did not prevent infection, or the spread of infection.

[@GaurangRShah]

Sam's patience with this guy was inspirational

[@floepiejane]

We need as many people as we can get on our side voting for good policy. Better to guide than roast unless it's hopeless, then turn up the heat.

[@anthonycordova91]

How is it inspirational? It’s a debate where neither person raised their voice and only Sam called the opponent ignorant. Nothing inspirational about being able to hold a civil debate. That’s just the bare minimum qualifier of a good faith debate

[@doubtshadow1]

Yeah, not really. He was dismissive and condescending, as is his habit. I liked the part where Sam either revealed or pretended that he believes that the government regulating how companies impose upon the rights of individual citizens is equivalent to the federal government doing the same. That wasn't a solid trap. That shows a gross misunderstanding of how rights function, and the government's prime directive to safeguard and respect them.

[@timothyjackson4653]

I loved “There’s no debate, that what I believe!”

[@timothyjackson4653]

@@doubtshadow1Yep. He doesn’t fully hear out the counter argument and reply head on. The cold and rigid way he greets the caller and then railroads them off topic prevents them from making their point. And then he never gives fair rebuttal, just an underhanded dance of fallacies. And then usually, some mean-spirited low blow personal remarks about the caller. These are not components of fruitful dialogue. Sam is a bigot.

[@scott7385]

This is what arguing with right-wing clowns looks like. Deflection, semantics, strawmen, and whataboutism.

[@13emilm]

It’s the same thing with left wing clowns though. Both have the exact same techniques.

[@scott7385]

@@13emilm nope.

[@TheRealDyscyples]

@@13emilm wrong. Right wingers know what women are.

[@13emilm]

@@scott7385 Look at Matt Walsh’s documentary What is a Woman. Left wingers all do the same shit, deflect when they can’t answer a question, through in whataboutisms all the same shit. The only worse thing about Left Wingers is they are completed convinced in their delusional thoughts that it’s scary.

[@n.h.moreno]

I remember that one time Shelley came to work and didn't disclose her abortion at 17 yrs-old and we all caught a severe case of abortion. That was the line. If you don't report something that everyone can catch----you are in trouble.

[@revaaron]

1 million die in a year of alcohol? "An estimated 95,000 people (approximately 68,000 men and 27,000 women) die from alcohol-related causes annually."

[@youtubeisinconsistent9169]

He lied? I'm shocked, SHOCKED I tell you. 😐

[@jmacomber86]

When I was in the military, we were forced to get anthrax. Anthrax was nothing compared to Covid. That argument is stupid.

[@alespron11]

To be fair, I know how this guy feels. My parents also forced me to eat broccoli when I was 6 and I never will forgive them for that!

[@ninadiamant8937]

same.

[@ArchArturo]

It’s an enforcement of Big Broccoli 🤣

[@jmag4527]

😂😂😂

[@ShaithMaster]

I actually like broccoli now. See, I matured and acquired a taste for it even though my mom wouldn't let me go play kickball with my friends until I'd at least had 3 pieces. Mature people eat broccoli and get vaccinated. I would assume this guy only eats meat like Jordan Peterson.

[@jacobbarbee386]

Lima beans 🤢🤮

[@jbarlak]

This guy was a gem. I worked at a pharma company where we were swabbed prior to clocking in. This last for a long until the vaccine was available. It was done to make sure production continued and to keep coworkers safe.

[@David-iv6je]

Quality hospitals mandate certain vaccines.

[@pepelapiu2004]

Much like Seder in the video, you are not making a logical or moral arguement. Your arguement is deeply flawed. So you were forced to get vaxxed to keep your pharma job, and somehow that justifies forcing everyone else to get forced vax? If your employer infringes on your basic human rights, that doesn't mean the government infringing on your human rights is anymore acceptable.

[@danielcox9504]

This aged well, first off masks did not work secondly these specific vaccines work but don't work basically to save 1 hospitalisation you have to vax around 160 thousand people to prevent 1 death it's around 3 or 4 hundred thousand need vaccinating. It doesn't stop transmission either, you can argue we didn't know that but some Dr's and scientists did tell us all this early on.

[@David-iv6je]

@@danielcox9504 I always listen to the guys like you who pull numbers out of their asses and ram all the words into one sentence with weird-ass punctuation. Keep preaching, tinfoil!

[@pepelapiu2004]

@@danielcox9504 In fact I remember exactly Pfizer telling us exactly that as the vax was being released: does not prevent the spread, does not prevent infection, it only makes symptoms easier.

[@HypocritesExposd]

This guy changes the topic every single time he’s losing the argument.

[@theredboneking]

Cancer up 117,000 since the 💉

[@chadchaddingson4675]

it's what they do though

[@LogicOverEverything]

“And abortion is not CONTAGIOUS” 🤫

[@doug6723]

I love it when Trumpers try to debate someone halfway intelligent. It’s not even a fair fight.

[@RunForPeace-hk1cu]

Sam is well above halfway intelligent my man. That’s like say Michael Brooks is halfway intelligent.

[@barbarac9805]

The dumb kid believed a bunch of conspiracy theories about the safety of the vaccines and then tried to have Sam answer questions about the vaccines that he himself can't answer and doesn't understand. It was just something someone told him was bad and that he should be scared about. lol Right-wing propaganda rots your brain. That kid is so confused. lol

[@KD--sj8eo]

@@RunForPeace-hk1cu think he just meant it as an expression.

[@Yungrexy]

@@KD--sj8eo think RunForPeace just meant it as a joke.

[@jayz8839]

Could be a Bernie Bro since Bernie is the anti-Big Pharma guy, Trump is vaxxed.

[@Nillllllllllllll]

Wow it's almost like he crawled into an echo chamber in 2020 and managed to not learn anything at all about this, truly special people

[@Chimponaut]

The main problem with someone like this is that they want to believe in these things, and that's all they need for motivation.

[@PeterpanSyndrome_]

"Did you call me to debate the automation of jobs 20 years from now ? " LOL!

[@JeffCraigPhotos]

That was just painful to watch. That poor kid thought he was gonna own you only to end up looking like a whiney, uneducated fool. Sam, you were far nicer than I would have been. These kind of people need to feel embarrassed to the point they never speak again. Keep doing the lords work my friend!

[@soyborne.bornmadeandundone1342]

I would hope this pantsing will remind him why he's a lil pos and that he needs to work on himself. Wonder how his so called black gf feels about him being a boot licker for fart right mass shooter influencers... Whatever the case... just wow lol. He's only 24... I was dumb af back then too but he's pretty bad lol.

[@IncognitoSprax]

Man just proved how the people he follows and listen to actually make their audiences worse

[@sunshynff]

Could you be more vague?

[@Totentanz23]

"Life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness..." That first word... LIFE.

[@jimmyh.6233]

As a Floridian, I can tell you for a clear fact of matter that more of us than not couldn’t believe what de-Santa’s pulled on us. He helped to increase the severity of Covid in the state. It literally felt as though he was trying to thin the herd down here. After all there’s a lot of prime real estate to be got here!

[@briantresden2933]

Florida deaths were surpassing California despite California having twice the population.

[@jasonsmith9662]

Lmao what a stupid statement, I’ve lived in Orlando for over 20 years, your absolutely wrong on the deaths in Florida, stop watching the tv!!!

[@tinydancer36]

​@@briantresden2933 Not that Florida is FULL of retirees...and Covid was greatly inflated to control sheeple like yourself. Communism is alive in our nation.

[@Brynnthebookworm]

The pandemic taught me that massive retirement communities like those in FL are dangerous. During a widespread contagion where all the elderly folks are afraid to go out, there are no younger neighbors around to check on them or bring stuff to their porches. They were just stranded in a sea of other people that also could not help.

[@TAKINGACTION-j9e]

@@briantresden2933 That's a bold-faced lie. Prove it. I'll wait....

[@patteraj]

This guy outed himself as a Crowder fan right at the beginning. “You counted that as a win, huh?” “I counted that as a loss.” A fumble right at the beginning and the guy debating Sam just kept on fumbling😆

[@termsofusepolice]

I could see Crowder listening to this debate and then DM'ing the kid saying, "You hit it out of the park! Your command of the facts and razor sharp reasoning made Sam look just like the know-nothing, radical leftist fool that he is!"

[@machineman8388]

Sam just pulled some 8-mile shit lol going no I count that as a loss. Genius honestly to pre-empt whatever the little smarmy kid had to say with that, it shut him right up

[@davidsweeney7837]

You can not convince people like this…they just move on to the next thing once you break a hole in their argument!

[@1018Tim]

This guy seriously brought up "My Body, My Choice" with vaccines then wanted to argue Roe vs. Wade. 🤣

[@boywonder6659]

It’s the other way round. “My body my choice” advocate vaccine mandates. How does that work? What about the baby’s body. The figures for the deaths caused by covid were bogus. I know of a death attributed to covid where the dude was killed in a car crash. It said covid on the death certificate.

[@1018Tim]

@@boywonder6659 The point is you always had a choice. You never HAD to take the vaccine. The company you work for has the right to require specific vaccines for their workforce. And they are well within their rights no longer employ you if you do not have the vaccine. You can find work that doesn't require it. A fetus doesn't show consciousness until nearly 5 months in. It doesn't know it exists. It is wholly dependent on the mother for survival and it's body cannot sustain life without her. The "spark of life" is derived from religious text and has no place in law in this country. As far as counting covid deaths... Even if 10% of the deaths were misreported, which is highly unlikely, it's still more than 900,000 deaths. Claiming that the numbers are bogus is ignorant at best. I'm assuming you're just spouting the Republican talking point about the guy who died in a motorcycle accident in Florida. He tested positive for covid post death and so it was listed as a contributing factor. Well the CDC reviewed that case and rejected it so your point is moot.

[@GetOwnedKid1]

It really is your choice though. Y'all love spewing that shit only when it comes to your agenda. Keep licking the boot of the government

[@corruptgunslinger]

Yeah and didn't even respond to the obvious things said like abortions aren't contagious.

[@GetOwnedKid1]

@@corruptgunslinger the flu is contagious too but we never saw people taking inhumane measures to control it you goddamn sheep.

[@NoleenRankin]

Oh yeah, money well spent. For the audience, not for him. x)

[@sonicjrjr14]

This kid doesn't even know the difference between a pandemic and an epidemic😂

[@exploderwrestlingpodcast2721]

I ALMOST felt bad for this kid. He was so unprepared he didn't even know how bad he was about to get rocked.

[@debraann8412]

It’s a shame he didn’t bring up the fact that the so called “Covid vaccine” was/is an experimental drug, not a tested/proven safe vaccine.

[@dearrationals]

He is not a "kid". He is an adult male and should be treated as such.

[@nunpho]

​@@dearrationals maybe he should act like an adult then.

[@Tenchigumi]

The best part is that he almost certainly thought he was SUPER prepared. I'm almost kind of jealous; I wish I could have that kind of naive confidence again. It might not win me any arguments against truly educated people, but I bet it would really impress my assuredly idiotic friend group.

[@jamesh3775]

Does an employer requiring a doctor's note for sickness break HIPPA? Wtf is this person saying?

[@billthebutcher2]

yes, or certain jobs require a physical.

[@louis1443]

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@jamesh3775]

@@billthebutcher2 he should talk to his brothers more about what the military does. Psych evals and everything

[@jamesh3775]

@@taranullius9221 spending $10 to be destroyed by Sam does scream priviledge, or just a reallly strong kink

[@russellh9894]

5:00 Its annoying when anti vax people bring up abortion and "my body, my choice" as if that will make the pro vaccine people say "welp, they got us there. I guess there's nothing we can do." while the anti vax people will then turn around and say a woman must remain pregnant against their will. It would be one thing if the anti vax person was also pro choice, but the whole thing becomes disingenous when the anti vax person is also anti abortion / pro forced birth.

[@TheReddaredevil223]

Here is what needs to be explained to these "rights" advocates. Rights do not exist in a vacuum. You as the individual are not the only one with rights. Other people have rights too. That's where things get tricky, where those rights intersect with one another. That's where rules and law have to be created - to sort out which rights get prioritized over which other rights in certain situations. The common phrase is "Your right to swing your fist around ends at someone else's chin". Yes, right to privacy about your medical information is a real right. And he asked Sam "where should that right end??" Well this actually isn't a tough one. Your right to medical privacy ends where it affects others around you. In other words, when you may have a communicable disease which affects others. It's really not that complicated. In conclusion, you're not a "champion of rights" if all you're capable of doing is focusing on PARTICULAR rights and completely unable to think about OTHER PEOPLE's rights (the right to not be killed is a pretty important one). Even a junior lawyer wouldn't be that ignorant, but of course most of these people are 24 year old know-nothings like Sam said.

[@weirdsciencetv4999]

Yup freedumbers ironically do not understand freedom. To them freedom means only *their* freedom.

[@southendbos]

Regarding your privacy to health info, those laws apply to those tasked with protecting it - doctors, hospitals, insurance companies, billing staff, etc. You can share your history with anyone willing to listen.

[@TheReddaredevil223]

@@southendbos I'm really not sure in what way your comment added to my comment. Yes, that is what health information privacy is.

[@frankpentangeli7945]

Exactly. This has been my argument for two years to anti-maskers and anti-vaxxers who constantly whine about their precious rights and freedoms. I say what about my right to not be infected by an unvaccinated asshole who walks around not caring how his condition affects others? Don't I have rights and freedoms too? Is it too much to ask that you make this small sacrifice to mitigate the possibility that you might just KILL SOMEONE?!?

[@southendbos]

@@TheReddaredevil223 I was saying that HIPAA laws were enacted to ensure that medical providers, health insurance companies, billing staff, etc. protect your PHI. He seems to believe that employers can’t ask you your vaccination status because he has “HIPAA rights.” There is no “rights.” The legislation is directed to those who are tasked with keeping your PHI from being released. Regarding an employer asking his vaccination status, he does not need to answer. But he’s not going to keep/get the job.

[@shayslay3416]

"MY GIRLFRIEND IS BLACK!!!" He's been waiting the whole 3 years to use that just to f*ck it up lmao 🤦🏾‍♀️

[@sekokhan5307]

Lmao

[@lastx2534]

I don’t speak for all Black people but as a Black person if my SO we’re to say this we would definitely have a talk about it when we got home.

[@quitstalin]

The producer (or whoever) brought it up. It was a directly relevant response

[@VincentTroia]

@@quitstalin what? lol no. go back and listen. the mr staff guy didn’t not bring up black people, the caller did. the staffer mused that maybe it was for racist reasons he thinks immigration is a problem, because it conclusively isn’t for economic reasons, if it is at all. then the caller said hey i have a black girlfriend, implying he can’t be racist because of that, which is hilarious.

[@quitstalin]

@@VincentTroia whether he can or can't be racist is irrelevant. What is relevant is mr staff guy's claim that he only cares about "white demographics" a la great replacement theory. The caller having "biracial" children is demonstrative of not caring about white demographics since his own personal choices have the effect of reducing white demographics. The way for him to have biracial children is with his non-white wife who he identifies as black. All of this is relevant and the only thing comical is you guys think this is any more good faith than when Steven Crowder filled up the room with his nonsense sidekicks. mr staff guy and co-host should stay out it, because they're just interjecting little jabs into someone else's conversation and lots of times it doesn't even seem like Seder appreciates it

[@SmilingIbis]

I think this clown got his $10 worth of humiliation. Good job, Sam!

[@therealgaragegirls]

16:20 Bro doesn't even know what a pandemic is! LMFAO

[@Jin420]

Pandemic wouldn't have turned into an endemic if some of these people just did the right thing & put forth their "community efforts" to protect those around you. 💯 It's been proven to be safe (so far from the data gathered up to date) & by far one of the most transparent vaccine available.

[@PurushaDesa]

A society running on _freedom juice_ for 40 years suddenly has to come together for the greater good and OH look at that _[Price is Right fail sound]_ .

[@WobblyBits_X]

Even before the vaccines rolled out, the pandemic could have been over within a couple months at most if people had simply not chosen to be assholes, worn masks, and practised social distancing. The vaccines wouldn't have become necessary to start with. Masks and social distancing is just the bare minimum one could ask for, barely even registering as inconveniences, but instead people chose to throw fits in stores or wear "masks" that literally have holes cut in them. Even the US's complete balls-up of a response to the pandemic still reduced flu rates to about 1% of what they were in 2019.

[@rve420]

@@glennjohn3824 Fuck the public health, I'm feeling fine!

[@Marijuanajoseph]

@@glennjohn3824 this is why I shoot the people ahead of me in line to save the stain on my body from waiting in line for 5 minutes and protect my personal joint health!

[@opencommentsbbcnewsnight1704]

Once the virus went global, which it did in early 2020, it was inevitably going to become endemic.

[@machestro7]

What a clown. I bet he thought his 'My Body My Choice' argument was going to be a slam-dunk.

[@thefruch7588]

He thought his localization of the vaccine to your arm was a dunk...when it's like huh.....what does this have to do with mandates? Lol

[@FakingANerve]

@@thefruch7588 If it stays local, some people are injecting it in weird places. Jimmy Dore must have shaved his right into his brain. I mean... that would explain a thing or two, but I just don't think it's likely the case.

[@franciszekdo]

My leprosy, my choice.

[@fmfdocbotl4358]

He tried to drop the mic but ended up tripping on the cord and hanging himself

[@HannibalOrJustRex]

Mothers commonly dying during childbirth was also something that was "a fact of life" a long time ago, but we realized that we need to learn how to better prevent that. It's weird how some people point to past generations who didn't have access to what we have readily available now and say that's the real goal to shoot for.

[@MrDdooitt]

“People will just naturally stay home”. What a completely idiotic statement. That’s the fallacy. You can be unknowingly contagious. Companies don’t want to pay you for staying home sick. Is he for 100% welfare when you stay home? Parents want to send kids to school so they can work. Is he for companies paying 100% welfare for staying home with kids?

[@cameronthaijohnson]

When he said "I have a black girlfriend" I died

[@fmfdocbotl4358]

I bet she "passes". I knew a guy that dated a biracial girl who was whiter than me in color and she was a ginger but he was a straight up racist.

[@xgreasexmonkey5506]

Sam eating during the debate says it all 🤣

[@-RandomBiz-]

Typical evasion tactic of a person who is afraid to admit to an answer that would reveal the losing ground of their argument: Answer a question with a question. Sam Seder is such a boss at debating.

[@RaGnarock2215]

No... no he's not.

[@-RandomBiz-]

@@RaGnarock2215 Yes....yes he is. Thank you for your denial.

[@RaGnarock2215]

It's not denial... can you explain to me why it's idiotic for him to start off with leprosy as a supposed relevant example, or argument? I can explain it to you if you'd like, and why he's a completely irrelevant psuedo-intellectual that never debates, but rather sits, and insults his opponents out hubris. He's like a watered down Steven Crowder if Steven Crowder were progressive, oh and he never provides sources, but always seems to demand them from others.

[@-RandomBiz-]

@@RaGnarock2215 It's called a comparative analogy. I can explain it to you if you like.

[@-RandomBiz-]

@@RaGnarock2215 I'm going to take a guess and be right that you're a conservative and you just don't like hearing things that go against what you believe. You want to live in a world where your beliefs reign over other people. Would I be correct or are you going to deny yet again because you want to believe yourself to be seen as a free thinker?

[@w0ody16]

17:13 When Emma starts and Sam joins in on a perfectly placed "DO YOUR OWN RESEARCH!" had me rolling!!! I love y'all and how you handle these types in such debates. Keep it up. :)

[@neilmcfadden9760]

What did she contribute to this debate? An annoying nasally hype man is all she ever does. Lol bullies!

[@rcx9681]

This caller was a master debater. 100/10 What a weasel

[@wickedymike]

Ok, this is hyper chad Sam right here, totally disinterested, eating while calmly obliterating an idiot who somehow felt it necessary to pay money to get his stupid points challenged... It's just so funny, so sweet, I can only hold it against Sam that he didn't get more of this guy's money, but then again, we're not like the grifters...

[@cameronmcleod8419]

It's incredible, this is the same energy as the classic Libertarian call in debates but with a sharper and less patient Sam. Gone are the days of letting some trog define their brand of Libertarianism for 15min, speak plainly or get absolutely shredded.

[@cunning_jams]

I"m surprised Sam wasn't immediately aware that an employer asking questions about your medical info is not a violation of any HIPAA laws. HIPAA prevents the hospital from sharing your data without your permission. It doesn't stop anyone from asking you to volunteer it to them.

[@dualkelly]

It also doesn't stop schools or employers from requiring proof of vaccination. which i suppose is a form of volunteerism as no one is forcing you to go to a public school or have a certain job.

[@bills-beard]

Thank you

[@jensraab2902]

"Maaaa Hippuh!" is a right-wing talking point that might have generated from the great American philosopher Marjorie Taylor Greene. It was BS when she first blurted it out, it kept being BS the next dozen times she yelled about her "hippuh" and it still is BS now that it has been adopted by junior philosophers like this caller. (Well, it's not HIPAA that is BS but it's not applicable in the context in which it has been and keeps being evoked by these folks.)

[@cornpipe]

I've literally never seen a single one of these goofballs use their hipaa law argument properly.

[@cwhitney1972]

@@cornpipe of course not, because using the HIPAA argument properly doesn’t address the point. If they used it properly, it’d be a non sequitur in those discussions.

[@pumpnix7243]

as a health care professional the internal cringe i feel when hearing people bring up HIPAA to defend their points is deep!

[@tylerguzinski6772]

And when they deeply misunderstand what HIPPA even is.

[@waltermcgarvin8001]

I really hate people that ask a question and then talk over the person trying to answer! This guy just goes all over the place with his questions. No F'ing clue what HIPAA laws are about.

[@DaWonUhatinOn]

this guy is worse than MTG. they need to learn HIPAA. Asking someone a question is not a hipaa violation. Having someone's medical information and giving it out is a hippa violation.

[@XShrike0]

One p and two a.

[@DaWonUhatinOn]

@@XShrike0 thank you

[@bsczylvi]

How has this video not been taken down by KZbin for violent content? Absolute blood bath. Well done, Sam.

[@kellidinit3725]

😂😂😂

[@ChesapeakeBayBrian399]

should be removed for spreading misinformation.

[@getoncourse4621]

You’re serious? 😂

[@marymaguire3230]

@@ChesapeakeBayBrian399 😆😆

[@Kabob_King]

Only one issue here. As far as I’ve been able to determine, there was no effective vaccine for influenza during the 1918 Spanish Flu Pandemic. There was a vaccine against a bacterial agent incorrectly believed to cause influenza. Influenza wasn’t isolated until 1933, and the first influenza vaccine was developed by Jonas Salk in 1938. If anyone was vaccinated in 1918, it wasn’t effective against the pandemic flu.

[@RoccosVideos]

COVID is no joke. I had the vaccine and booster and was really sick for a few days with a fever of 101.5 and it took me almost two weeks to completely recover. I’d hate to know what it would have been like without the vaccine.

[@Mike-LitorisSoBig]

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤪🤪🤪🤪🤤🤤🤤🤤

[@Mike-LitorisSoBig]

@Dennis Feenstra seems like you had at least one, because you had to edit a short sentence like that 🤔

[@Mike-LitorisSoBig]

@Dennis Feenstra wow, that hit me right where it hurt.... never heard that one before. I really wished I would care about the opinion of someone who's forefathers are still in zoos and flinging their turds around.

[@brennam954]

@@Mike-LitorisSoBig Besides how absolutely asanine your point is, it literally doesn't even say their sentence was edited... The stupidty of right wingers has reached olympic levels. Competing for gold against themselves.

[@luxuryseaviewvillas6744]

This is hilarious. lol. I had 3 vaccines and covid still smashed me. Thank you Pfizer!