Antique Westinghouse Type CAH Electric Motor Serviced.

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ScoutCrafter

ScoutCrafter

3 ай бұрын

These old motors are real workhorses!

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@jackmacica5407
@jackmacica5407 3 ай бұрын
What kind of maniac doesn’t love the sound of a smooth electric motor!
@rawbacon
@rawbacon 3 ай бұрын
The sound of those old motors is so soothing you could set it by a baby's crib to help them sleep.
@ravendark2422
@ravendark2422 3 ай бұрын
Words from Scoutcrafter I don’t believe….. “I don’t have too many” 😂😝
@lewiemcneely9143
@lewiemcneely9143 3 ай бұрын
The 2nd thing! It kud be woyce!@@Szmanzer
@805ROADKING
@805ROADKING 3 ай бұрын
Beautiful job Mate!! Good for another 100 years!! That could be your Legacy!!☻
@ScoutCrafter
@ScoutCrafter 3 ай бұрын
😂👍
@Oldtimeytools
@Oldtimeytools 3 ай бұрын
I was about to write about the century motor haha! Can’t wait to see that one done!
@randycarter2427
@randycarter2427 3 ай бұрын
I really enjoyed watching you do open heart surgery and giving the old girl some very clean clothes. She’s a beautiful little lady now.Will probably run at least till she’s a hundred +. Great video.
@setdown2
@setdown2 3 ай бұрын
Great video today…love the play by play…I wouldn’t worry about being to long a good video is a good video…🖖
@jackthompson2132
@jackthompson2132 3 ай бұрын
Top-notch shows today. I learned a lot about motors. I’ll be doing one as soon as the weather warms up. Thank You for sharing.
@itsjustme.2331
@itsjustme.2331 3 ай бұрын
Mr. J, that was one of your better shows, not too long at all. 😊
@tonylenge424
@tonylenge424 3 ай бұрын
Excellent video. I just finished restoring a 100 year old fan and had to do all the things you mentioned to the fan motor. I purchased new wicks, vintage wire cord, strain relief,etc. Terry’s videos were my guide. Thanks for the very enjoyable video.
@BencoVintageMachineWorks
@BencoVintageMachineWorks 3 ай бұрын
😊
@ScoutCrafter
@ScoutCrafter 3 ай бұрын
Terry is fantastic at his restorations. 😃👍
@lotsatrains
@lotsatrains 3 ай бұрын
Beautiful classic motor great to see it being cared for 👍
@lv_woodturner3899
@lv_woodturner3899 3 ай бұрын
Oldie but goodie. I have a GE equivalent design and likely made around the same time since also rated 110V AC. Mine was used on a wood working belt sander so this was used for relatively long periods. It had more open ends. I spent a LONG time cleaning out the decades of sawdust. Mine purrs like your motor. I love the sound. Dave.
@ScoutCrafter
@ScoutCrafter 3 ай бұрын
Dave- Yes the GE’s are awesome and almost identical. They run forever! 😃👍
@sebglayburg5163
@sebglayburg5163 3 ай бұрын
Thanks, John, I always learn so much on each video! Nice job.
@patrickmeyer1967
@patrickmeyer1967 3 ай бұрын
Love the motor, it came out beautiful! One point when buying an old motor with a grinding wheel on it is to very carefully examine the stone. I have purchased several motors like this and found cracked stones. Cracked or chipped stones can literally explode at 1750 rpm. I reuse these stones as hand stones on my bench for hand work .
@Orgakoyd
@Orgakoyd 3 ай бұрын
Absolutely gorgeous motor! It's just such a great feeling when you know that thing could probably sit there and spin for the rest of your life without skipping a beat!
@npalmi88
@npalmi88 3 ай бұрын
You’re like the Bob Ross of restorations
@ScoutCrafter
@ScoutCrafter 3 ай бұрын
😂👍
@josephwatts925
@josephwatts925 3 ай бұрын
I'm impressed. I really enjoyed the show, as usual. What a neat little motor. So smooth.
@wallyarent6548
@wallyarent6548 3 ай бұрын
Thank you John I just did one of these types in double shat buffer configuration I believe it was from 1930s
@ScoutCrafter
@ScoutCrafter 3 ай бұрын
You don’t often see the double shaft versions in this vintage. That’s a great find! 😃👍
@13thworker45
@13thworker45 3 ай бұрын
John you did a good clean up. Nice save on the motor. If I were you I would look in all corners , under benches everywhere. You have to have more that you misplaced. If you can find more come look in my 40 foot trailer. There has to be between 30 to 40 motors. Thank You
@ScoutCrafter
@ScoutCrafter 3 ай бұрын
Jess- You’re right! I have at least 6 more after Terry’s! 🫣😂👍
@timeflysintheshop
@timeflysintheshop 3 ай бұрын
That has to be one of the most satisfying sounds of all time. It starts with a little excitement, and immediately changes to the definition of smooooooth. Right? Great job on a great old motor! 👍😀😎
@garyjones2582
@garyjones2582 3 ай бұрын
Very nice cleanup. I was hoping that you would include a shot of that gorgeous antique motor that you have in your collection.. Maybe you could show your viewers that motor for those who might have missed it.. S.C. thx for bringing us along on another adventure... Take care my friend...lol..
@ScoutCrafter
@ScoutCrafter 3 ай бұрын
Gary- Do you mean Terry’s Century or my original pancake motor? 😃👍
@garyjones2582
@garyjones2582 3 ай бұрын
@@ScoutCrafter I thought it was yours, but I remember it being very ornate... Just to be sure, maybe you could include a pic of both.. Thx again S.C...
@57WillysCJ
@57WillysCJ 3 ай бұрын
I would say that cord was exposed to heat for a long time as in years. When I saw the oil cup, I thought that hasn't seen oil in a long time. Yeah I have seen them greased. The one advantage to grease in this one, is if it was near a lot of heat then the grease likey whicked to the bearing. If only motors today were buit that well.
@ScoutCrafter
@ScoutCrafter 3 ай бұрын
I can see why- The old timers had Grease cups that looked identical. 🫣😂👍
@1pcfred
@1pcfred 3 ай бұрын
Just age can do that to old rubber cords. Rubber just don't last forever.
@ROD59
@ROD59 3 ай бұрын
Great motor , any update with the poor man flea market
@ScoutCrafter
@ScoutCrafter 3 ай бұрын
Yes- The weather has kept me local but I think I’m afraid of bringing anything else home! 🫣😂👍
@kevinbrassil9836
@kevinbrassil9836 3 ай бұрын
Thank you, ScoutCrafter
@AndyM.
@AndyM. 3 ай бұрын
And with that I say, "OBI WON hit ANOTHER one out of the park!!!!!' I have my grandpa's old motor and I have been super scared to go any farther on it due to my 'lack' of electronics knowledge, BUT after watching this, I have the confidence now to go for it!! THANKS COACH!!! Oh and BY THE WAY, I can so get that first down for us!!!! GIVE ME THE BALL!!!!!
@ScoutCrafter
@ScoutCrafter 3 ай бұрын
Andy- It really helps to see one apart before attempting. Sometimes I’m amazed at how simple they are when they’re apart! 😂👍
@michaellindsay8934
@michaellindsay8934 3 ай бұрын
How satisfying was that absolutely beautiful cleanup and repair. I believe after all the motors I've watched you repair I'm going to do one Thank you for your expertise, I do have rubber gloves 😂
@troyb1733
@troyb1733 3 ай бұрын
John,That was just fabulous! I have one like this I got 30 years ago and now I am ready to operate.
@larryborkstrom3580
@larryborkstrom3580 3 ай бұрын
That one was in great shape to begin with it's good to clean them and oil them once in awhile
@mikedkc
@mikedkc 3 ай бұрын
That was so satisfying. Nothing beats putting a great machine back in service. Loved the tutorial and demo.
@negotiableaffections
@negotiableaffections 3 ай бұрын
Purr - thats the word, that motor purrs, and like a cat it means its happy! Great job John.
@loulunetta425
@loulunetta425 3 ай бұрын
Love the old motors. I have an old GE 1/4 HP. I put a pulley on the shaft and hooked it up to a stand alone dual arbor for wire brush and felt wheel. I have an Emerson 1/3 HP that is awaiting a project. My best oldie is the motor from my Grandpas 1920s GE Workshop which now powers my home made 10" table disk sander. Thanks for the internals tour.
@patcb829
@patcb829 3 ай бұрын
Great tip on that adjustable wrench pry tool usage for when you run out of throw with the screwdrivers. Edit. Also for what it's worth I enjoy the longer videos.
@upsidedowndog1256
@upsidedowndog1256 3 ай бұрын
Nice cleanup! That is a sweetheart of a motor. Most I get have been found in the scrapyard, usually tossed off of a truck or trailer.
@Fearsome4some74
@Fearsome4some74 3 ай бұрын
Excellent video! These youngsters won't have to learn the hard way like we all did watching these ! That's if they pay attention for 5 seconds lol😎 thanks for sharing 👍
@rollerbald
@rollerbald 3 ай бұрын
Very nice John. Cleaning up an old motor is very rewarding - that one looks and operates great!
@RobertSiwik1968
@RobertSiwik1968 3 ай бұрын
What a beautiful old motor! Being an electrician I can appreciate it! Great job!
@alexstools
@alexstools 3 ай бұрын
Beautiful motor. Really turned out nice. I look forward to that Century one. This was good practice again. Hope you'll have a good week.
@RightOnJonCrane
@RightOnJonCrane 3 ай бұрын
Right On John! 🙌 I thoroughly enjoyed this restoration. Wild to see all the grease on that wick. I’ve got a few of these old Westinghouse motors still in use around the shop. Kind of scary to break them open as those windings get brittle. Excellent show today! 🙌
@ScoutCrafter
@ScoutCrafter 3 ай бұрын
😃👍
@wayneo7307
@wayneo7307 3 ай бұрын
Hi Scout , Nice Job On The Restoration of The Motor ! 60 % Original Paint . OK . Thanks For All The Info Along the way! I Have Some Endplay with my Fan I Need to Fix . Now I May Retackle It. I Have Lots of Spacer/ Shims /Washers !
@billmcclure433
@billmcclure433 3 ай бұрын
The motor turned out beautiful. Looking forward to see how you ground it. I have an old grinder that I get a static shock occasionally. I have a static wrist strap to help with that issue, but perhaps a ground to the motor would be a better solution.
@ScoutCrafter
@ScoutCrafter 3 ай бұрын
Bill- My belt sander shocks me but that’s a brushed motor. 😃👍
@1pcfred
@1pcfred 3 ай бұрын
With induction motors the shock you get may be more than just static. The field may be inducing a current into the frame. I had one motor and it was so bad I could light a light bulb up off the frame. But if I grounded it it'd blow breakers. I couldn't fix that motor and just scrapped it. It was a really weird motor type. To change the direction of rotation you could just transpose the rotor in it. Flip it end for end inside the motor. It had no centrifugal switch and start winding. Not all induction motors are the same.
@billmcclure433
@billmcclure433 3 ай бұрын
Thanks for the insight. Imay have to tinker with it a bit.
@johnkelley9877
@johnkelley9877 3 ай бұрын
What a Motor Monday! The motor looks great and sounds beautiful. There is a lot of good information in this tutorial. Thanks for sharing this information.
@beerdrinker6452
@beerdrinker6452 3 ай бұрын
Wow. What kind of maniac does not build their own wood hammers from pallet wood. Great video. Thank you.
@ScoutCrafter
@ScoutCrafter 3 ай бұрын
That little hammer is one of my most used tools!! You have to make one! 😂👍
@beerdrinker6452
@beerdrinker6452 3 ай бұрын
@@ScoutCrafter please make one on your show or at least talk us through. The longer your videos the better.
@ronitsingh85
@ronitsingh85 Ай бұрын
that sound wins the prize! great restore and walk through, you can feel the love! Love old all cast iron motors. These Westinghouse ones I love the cone shaped end bells!
@JoeAndrews-cv6hp
@JoeAndrews-cv6hp 3 ай бұрын
Nice job on a great Westinghouse motor. I have one just like it. Very smooth and quiet. Waiting for you to do the Century from Terry. I restored one like you have. More parts and more complicated. You will enjoy it!!
@bigvicsworkshop
@bigvicsworkshop 3 ай бұрын
What a job Mr. John! That cord was unreal..wow never seen ine I that shape 😳 but man ya got her running smooth! Thanks!
@ScoutCrafter
@ScoutCrafter 3 ай бұрын
Vic- All the old motors and many drills have those wonky cords! 🫣😂👍
@nicholasdidier4188
@nicholasdidier4188 3 ай бұрын
I love it when you do motor videos! I just got restoring my 1930 Delco motor! For my early 30s Copeland refrigerator. It was a blast! Keep it up!
@ScoutCrafter
@ScoutCrafter 3 ай бұрын
When they start up and run it’s so relaxing yet exhilarating! 😃👍
@andyc972
@andyc972 3 ай бұрын
Beautiful job John, I know you said it wasn't a full restoration, but you did all the important bits and it looks great anyway with age appropriate wear and tear ! I always enjoy your motor videos and it always inspires me to get out and plan what to do with mine that I inherited. I have a few bench grinders and polishers but none of them run like these old motors ! As a coincidence when I was tidying in the garage yesterdayI found the name/spec plate from the motor I renovated about 20 years ago, I'd removed it in order to paint the housing and kept it to refit later. I have at least another two to get round to including one for the lathe I'm still working on, and thanks to you I now know better how to deal with them so thanks again !
@ScoutCrafter
@ScoutCrafter 3 ай бұрын
Andy- My next motor is Terry’s Century, after that I’m down to about 6 more. 🫣😂👍
@RobertBosworth
@RobertBosworth 3 ай бұрын
I never knew what those cords in electrical wires were for, thanks. And that humming when the motor started! Great job.
@1pcfred
@1pcfred 3 ай бұрын
The cords are for flexibility. Stranded copper wire is pretty flexible but it isn't as flexible as fiber cord is. You want the volume the cord adds too. You don't want to bend the cable too tightly. The added cord just makes the cable flexible in a nicer manner. Makes it less wiry and more cordlike. Even Romex cable has paper in it. We joke that it's kindling so an electrical fire has something to burn. But it's there to improve mechanics.
@RobertBosworth
@RobertBosworth 3 ай бұрын
@@1pcfred Excellent! Thank you.
@100videos4you
@100videos4you 3 ай бұрын
I might now have the inspiration I need to go reassemble the vintage craftsman drill in my workbench that I took apart last week and walked away from, ha! Well done, came out very nice
@ScoutCrafter
@ScoutCrafter 3 ай бұрын
Sometimes you have to walk away and regroup! 😂👍
@marcmckenzie5110
@marcmckenzie5110 3 ай бұрын
Quality motor all the way from when we all remember Westinghouse as a household name.
@paulsworkshop4179
@paulsworkshop4179 3 ай бұрын
You keep tempting me with electric motors. I will not get involved on another hobby…I will not get involved in another hobby…..
@ScoutCrafter
@ScoutCrafter 3 ай бұрын
That’s the way I get with welding! 😂
@billchiasson2019
@billchiasson2019 3 ай бұрын
That came out great!! They sure don’t make them like that anymore! Thanks John!
@ko2fjb
@ko2fjb 3 ай бұрын
Nice job on that motor. When I was in trade school they taught us to center punch dots on the housing and bells for alignment usually 1 dot on one end and 2 on the other.
@ihrescue
@ihrescue 3 ай бұрын
I like your motor restorations.
@sopcopotoptop
@sopcopotoptop 3 ай бұрын
Mine is a 1912 Westinghouse type CAH 1/6 HP. Runs a 1912 shallow well pump. Exposed terminals. Cleaned, painted and runs like a top. Long service times when watering the garden. I use Vaseline in the oil cups. Works great! Love it!
@MultigrainKevinOs
@MultigrainKevinOs 3 ай бұрын
Those old motors are beauties. As scout crater demonstrates those old wire leads can be super brittle after time. My restoration of an old GE went to pot after chasing it back to the windings, a sad lesson that learn :(
@frankpattisr2250
@frankpattisr2250 3 ай бұрын
John, thanks for the great video as always.I learned a lot.I work on tons of toy train motors for customers.Especialy around Chrismas.Granted, a lot smaller then the motor you just repaired.Still alot of fun.Yes we can watch bot go around.!!??
@patrickrhin9152
@patrickrhin9152 3 ай бұрын
Hey ! Professeur John vraiment une très belle restauration. Vous êtes toujours au top, il n'y a rien à dire. ❤😊
@ProvinceOfPosen
@ProvinceOfPosen 3 ай бұрын
Longer video, I already like it
@patjohnson3100
@patjohnson3100 3 ай бұрын
What a beautiful save. It must have been a great feeling when the motor fired up and you didnt know if the motor was any good in the first place. Excellent tutorial. How did you clean the armature and stator?
@ScoutCrafter
@ScoutCrafter 3 ай бұрын
Hi Pat- I dampened a rag with WD-40 and wiped it all down. Keeping away from the windings. 😃👍
@terryrogers1025
@terryrogers1025 3 ай бұрын
Great video, nice tutorial on cleaning an electric motor. Thanks for the video, enjoyed it.
@mikeobrien2582
@mikeobrien2582 3 ай бұрын
An electrical engineer I used to work with explained why older motors and also transformers were better than todays. The engineers designing them before computers made their calculations with a slide rule. Because the calculations were not as precise, they added a little fudge factor. So, a 1/4 horse motor in reality was maybe 5/16 or greater. Today a quarter horse motor is exactly a quarter horse.
@ScoutCrafter
@ScoutCrafter 3 ай бұрын
Mike- The term “Overbuilt” was common when I was growing up. Almost everything was a bit stronger then it needed to be, now however the bean counters have narrowed everything down to be just enough. 🫣😂👍
@mikeobrien2582
@mikeobrien2582 3 ай бұрын
Absolutely, and it's not just the bean counters. Everything has to be at maximum efficiency. Heaven forbid that a motor be even 1% or 2% overbuilt because it may use a couple of watts more energy than needed so everything is running on the bleeding edge. @@ScoutCrafter
@PapiDoesIt
@PapiDoesIt 3 ай бұрын
A sound from my childhood!
@lotsabirds
@lotsabirds 3 ай бұрын
Get the snow shovel out! Have fun!
@mantaship
@mantaship 3 ай бұрын
That is satisfying. Sound rocks me to sleep.
@Sawtooth70
@Sawtooth70 3 ай бұрын
The timing of this video could not be better. I’m in the process of restoring an old Logan metal lathe that has a 1/4 hp Westinghouse motor that has a cord that was cut. I am a longtime viewer, and I’ve watched with interest all of your other electric motor videos, but I feel like this one was make specifically for me. Thank you.
@ScoutCrafter
@ScoutCrafter 3 ай бұрын
That’s fantastic! 😃👍
@lewiemcneely9143
@lewiemcneely9143 3 ай бұрын
I think I have an old GE about like that with a small wire wheel on it but a VERY nice arbor that was imported from Richland, Michigan, REALLY nice! No switch and a new cord made from a drop cord I think. 3-wire maybe. It's been so long since I've seen it I forgot, I got some hearing helps and am trying to remember how everything sounded again. Toots got me a real work bench before all this mess set in so maybe I'll have an honest place to put it. All I did was put a new cord on it and give it an oiling and off it went. I ought to use the buffers on it. I have all the stuff and I've even thought about getting a real buffer like you have. Time will tell. Happy Week and God Bless Yall!
@lewiemcneely9143
@lewiemcneely9143 3 ай бұрын
I give you a HEART too, John!
@mikebrunosgarage5338
@mikebrunosgarage5338 3 ай бұрын
What a great job on the cleaning! Sounds so smoooooth! Thanks again for another great episode!
@adiazcroce
@adiazcroce 3 ай бұрын
Excellent video, thank you, greetings from Mexico!
@ScoutCrafter
@ScoutCrafter 3 ай бұрын
🇲🇽 😃👍
@Everythings_Adjustable
@Everythings_Adjustable 3 ай бұрын
Sounds even better than it looks 🛠👍😊
@overseas_demogod
@overseas_demogod 3 ай бұрын
Great video!
@larrynelson734
@larrynelson734 3 ай бұрын
Great video. I also love old motors. Great job on that one!!!!! Have a great day. 👍👍❤...
@BestUserNameUK
@BestUserNameUK 3 ай бұрын
Westinghouse had a massive complex in Trafford Park, Manchester (UK).. It later became AEI, then GEC..
@ScoutCrafter
@ScoutCrafter 3 ай бұрын
Back in the day Westinghouse was the man! He sponsored Tesla! 😃👍
@Comm0ut
@Comm0ut 3 ай бұрын
If you have a very stuck arbor or other sleeve on a motor shaft like that which is dangerous to pry off due to lack of safe pry points on the motor end cap you can cut them off without damaging the shaft. One way is making two lengthwise cuts with a small fiber-reinforced cutting disk on a Dremel or any die grinder (I wear a Jackson clear face shield for cutting and grinding since goggles or glasses aren't facial protection) 180-degrees apart then supporting the arbor on scrap steel so there will be no bending load applied to the shaft then splitting the sleeve/arbor etc with a cold chisel. Another method is to slice off everything past the shaft (I use larger cutting discs on an angle grinder but band saws etc work fine) then tack weld a large nut or piece of scrap cut so your puller jaws grab it well then using a puller to remove the part. These are ancient industrial mechanic tricks that work nicely. If not sure practice on scrap first. Most hobbyists don't practice on scrap but the time is much better spent than breaking parts you want to save.
@joeheilm
@joeheilm 3 ай бұрын
Those old motors are the best. Great stuff. Cheers
@desertdweller9548
@desertdweller9548 3 ай бұрын
Nothing like the hum of a vintage motor.
@donaldrouleau4269
@donaldrouleau4269 3 ай бұрын
That was a great episode. And it was really informative.
@kadmaster
@kadmaster 3 ай бұрын
Perfect job as always,sir...Full classic...
@JordiGuillem
@JordiGuillem 3 ай бұрын
John! Please make longer videos.. 🙏 No need to do lots of editing.. raw footage is fine.. I really enjoy your videos but I wish we could see you working for longer on your projects… maybe you could do a long one every week or two, and see how they perform? I’m sure lots of us would enjoy them.
@LoStivale
@LoStivale 3 ай бұрын
Really enjoyed this one.
@EVILDR235
@EVILDR235 3 ай бұрын
All my old pre 1963 Chevy 6 cylinder engines had that grease cup that you turn to lube the distributor shaft. I still have a can of cup grease I bought at a Grand Auto parts store in the early 1970's.
@ScoutCrafter
@ScoutCrafter 3 ай бұрын
Yes! My ‘51 Pontiac had the same setup! First time I saw it I thought “How Genius!” 😂👍
@mikejones5358
@mikejones5358 3 ай бұрын
Nice little motor great job
@danieldumaine6139
@danieldumaine6139 3 ай бұрын
Another great video. You showed some very good tricks for disassembly.
@makinapersempre
@makinapersempre 3 ай бұрын
It came out really nice John.
@wingnutsworkshop
@wingnutsworkshop 3 ай бұрын
Well Done and another fine education lesson. Thanks, Coach!
@davidfinn3771
@davidfinn3771 3 ай бұрын
Beautiful motor, great job
@ronsbeerreviewstools4361
@ronsbeerreviewstools4361 3 ай бұрын
Good video, electric motors are so interestng., being a Electrician Ive worked on many diferent size motors, Cheers from Taxachusetts !
@christopherlusk9385
@christopherlusk9385 3 ай бұрын
Thanks for the excellent video.
@BencoVintageMachineWorks
@BencoVintageMachineWorks 3 ай бұрын
Fantastic video. Eager to see the Century cleaned up and running. McMaster-Carr is the place for the wicks. They call them Firm Felt Cords or something similar. They are available in numerous diameters by the foot. Get the F1 option. As far as grounding is concerned, I usually leave them however they came from the factory. This assumes that a complete rewire and reinsulating of the windings was done.
@ScoutCrafter
@ScoutCrafter 3 ай бұрын
Terry- I bought the larger wick (5/8) for my GE from McMasters. 😃👍
@Brian-Burke
@Brian-Burke 3 ай бұрын
John I've told you before I absolutely love your motor restoration videos. I'd like you to consider taking the motor down to bare metal and painting in Scout Crafter red. How great woule that look? And I bet no motor out there has as good a paint job.
@Brian-Burke
@Brian-Burke 3 ай бұрын
I posted this before finishing the video and you just said you wanted to keep the original color which I also love. That Japanning is beautiful and hard to describe imo.
@ScoutCrafter
@ScoutCrafter 3 ай бұрын
Brian- I have a nice GE in poor paint condition, I wanted to do that in a color! 😃👍
@edwardmartin3069
@edwardmartin3069 3 ай бұрын
Great video as usual... I do believe the motor is a bit older than the sixty years you quoted. Sixty years ago, is 1964. That is the timeframe for the implementation of the Zone Improvement Project - ZIP Code, and your motor does not have them on the ID tag. You might want to back up another twenty years or more... Time does get away from us if we are not paying attention...
@americansewingmachineresto1545
@americansewingmachineresto1545 3 ай бұрын
Hi John, What. Great motor refurb video. You sure hit all of the bases, even the red winding insulating paint. The cleaned up motor is so smooth, it’s amazing. Would much rather have a vintage motor than a new one. My 1939 Atlas Craftsman 12x24 metal lathe has the original Packard motor. Same smooth running. My only observation is that it takes a while to wind down after turning it off. I haven’t opened it up and am conflicted if I should take it apart to clean, or just leave well enough alone. Great video, as always. You mentioned a Dr. appointment a little bit ago. Hope all went well with your visit. Best Regards, John
@ScoutCrafter
@ScoutCrafter 3 ай бұрын
John the long wind-downs are a pretty good indication of a lubricated shaft and good bushings. Packard made great motors. 😃👍
@americansewingmachineresto1545
@americansewingmachineresto1545 3 ай бұрын
John, Thanks for your insight. My lathe is in great shape for its age. Just a few parts issues. I have a new half nut and carriage nut. One of the handle needed replacement. I was able to get these new replacements without breaking a sweat. It’s all broken down into sub assemblies. The headstock has Babbitt bearings in great shape. It was a steal T $400. Included a three and four caw chuck. My list of machines to refurb is getting pretty large. I’m torn over the paint color. Was originally blue. But I’m also a lover of Red. I’ve got several different shades to try and decide on, if I stray from the original blue color. Battleship gray would be ok but no pizazz. Guess I’ve been hanging out with you virtually too long now. Best Regards, John
@1pcfred
@1pcfred 3 ай бұрын
You can get nice new motors. But they cost big bucks. In its day that little motor probably cost a weeks worth of wages too. But over time it lost value as people lost interest in it. It just became an old motor no one cared about anymore.
@crr8297
@crr8297 3 ай бұрын
Great video. Proof that you need at least 2 motor/grinder/wire brush setups, otherwise how you going to wire brush them threads on the one you're working on :)
@ScoutCrafter
@ScoutCrafter 3 ай бұрын
Absolutely correct! Preferably 3! 😂👍
@paulhunt598
@paulhunt598 3 ай бұрын
John, This motor doesn't have an armature or relay. This motor has a rotor and the "relay" is a centrifugal switch mechanism. This AC motor has a start and run winding. The start winding gives the required starting torque and establishes the rotation direction. The start winding wire size cannot sustain continuous current flow and are unnecessary to maintain operation. The centrifugal switch is extremely effective to remove the start winding from the motor circuit when adequate motor speed eliminates the need for the start winding and eliminates the expense and trouble of including relays designed for that purpose. An armature is a wound "rotor" and current to the armature is carried via carbon brushes rubbing against the commutator of the armature. Motors rotate due to like polarity magnetic field repulsion. You are correct that this is a single phase motor, but you would have more accurately stated that it is an AC motor at that point of your description. The "magic" of an induction motor is that it takes advantage of the constantly building and collapsing and building... of the magnetic field of AC current. This magnetic field change produces eddy currents in the rotor that create the opposing magnetic field in the rotor from the magnetic field in the stator windings. I like to explain that the effect of the AC building and collapsing fields creates a "rotating" magnetic field. The effect "rotates", but there is no physical rotation of the stator. USA AC is standardized at 60hz. This means that the magnetic field of a 2 pole motor "rotates" at 3600 RPM. Your 4 pole motor magnetic field rotates at 1800 RPM. The rated motor speed is less by design. This is called lag and produces the torque necessary to maintain rotation. The rotor speed is constantly behind the rotating magnetic field in the stator. As you load the motor and slow the speed, the current demand increases as the motor attempts to regain the rated (designed) speed. If the rotor could ever reach synchronous speed with the stator speed, there would be no torque to maintain rotation. (Synchronous motors do exist, but that is another discussion.) Start winding motors often employ start capacitors. The "magic" of capacitors is that they create a leading 90 degree phase shift in the current relative to the AC voltage. This phase shift is beneficial to the motor designer to create a strong starting torque. Your OHM meter is handy to determine the motor windings and leads. The start winding is made with fine wire with many turns in the winding coil compared to the heavier and shorter wire used in the run winding. The two windings are connected at one end, this is called the common lead and results in three leads in the motor windings. Measuring resistance between the start and run winding leads reads the entire winding resistance of the start and run winding in series. Measuring the start winding lead to the common lead reads only the start winding and the same applies to the run winding. The start winding will be substantially higher resistance than the run winding. Some induction motors are designed so that the motor direction can be reversed by removing the end bells, removing the rotor and flipping the rotor end for end. This is common on PSC (permanently split capacitor) motors. HVAC technicians (when I entered the trade in the 1970's) commonly did this when a replacement fan motor with the correct direction was not available. This shifts the relationship of the start winding to the eddy currents in the rotor. Some induction motors have motor direction reversing terminals in the motor wiring end plate. This changes the polarity of the magnetic field relative of the start and run windings. Interestingly a motor of this type wired with a reversing drum switch like you might apply on a drill press, will only reverse the motor if switched when the start winding contact is closed. So a motor using a centrifugal start winding removing switch won't reverse motor direction when the motor is running at rated speed. I first observed this when attempting to power tap on a single phase drill press so equipped. I couldn't reverse or power stall the feeding tap. Motors are a lot of fun. There are many different designs and my brief attempt to compress a tiny bit of motor theory and terminology into a comment has risked misstating and inadequately explaining both theory and terminology. My experience is that motors of your design don't require total end play shimming correction as the magnetic field, when energized, will self center the rotor. In my area we would not interchange "shim" and "bushing" as you did in this video. That may be a regional colloquial distinction between the places that we live. I would limit a shim to refer to a thrust application and a bushing to a radial application. I bet to your eastern ears, my Midwestern accent sounds hick and uneducated. Many of us in our region hear your East Coast accent with a similar response. I married a wordsmith. I have lived a lifetime of being corrected of my word misusage. I also spent much of my career doing technical writing that demanded careful attention proper word definition and usage. Both issues have compelled a virtually uncontrollable desire to correct misspeaks... hence this unwarranted diatribe.😢
@Reggyontheroad
@Reggyontheroad 3 ай бұрын
Gotcha
@manecobeirao
@manecobeirao 2 ай бұрын
Very good !
@scotthowell8083
@scotthowell8083 3 ай бұрын
John: Great cleanup! Love it. I was wondering if you ever considered getting one of those benchtop parts washers? Seems like those end caps would been a good candidate for a bath in one once you scraped out the funk.
@ScoutCrafter
@ScoutCrafter 3 ай бұрын
I have a big tub but getting rid of the dirty fluid is always frustrating! 🫣😂👍
@6atlantis
@6atlantis 3 ай бұрын
When I restored my great grandfathers 1/6h.p century I couldn’t for the life of me tell what type of washers/spacers he used. Fiber, phenolic, asbestos lol? It consumed me for a week
@ScoutCrafter
@ScoutCrafter 3 ай бұрын
It’s true! Usually they just had more of the same thing steel washer, I tried to buy some online but having trouble getting them by the box. 😃👍
@bobwarner5845
@bobwarner5845 3 ай бұрын
Very cool!
@prasadvn524
@prasadvn524 3 ай бұрын
Oh nice motor
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