Any validity to Chris Chelios' comments about Mike Babcock?

[@RodelIturalde]

Turns out Chelios was right about Babcock, who would have thought.

[@MiPolska-em3ty]

Ask Mike commodore about Babcock, he will tell you.

[@MetalGuru965]

A lack of free agent interest was the hallmark of Babcock's time in Detroit, especially after everyone witnessed the treatment of Mike Madano, among others.

[@Michael-fw5ef]

Chelious was one of the top 10 defenceman in the history of the NHL. Look at his numbers. He was solid as rock.

[@Grandtrunk]

Chelios

[@Michael-fw5ef]

@@Grandtrunk Yes, my typing error. I went to school with his younger cousin and she had the same last name, so yes, I know how to spell it.

[@marcob6880]

top 20 maybe and I liked Chelios a lot.

[@kieferclarkf1674]

This aged very well, just like Chelios.

[@martincamenzuli4774]

Babcock went with his best players? Matthews under 15 minutes in game 7 vs Bruins? Babshit is a debacle.

[@reellowcanadian6760]

martin camenzuli not that I am absolving Babcock of any blame for the game 7 loss but when you look at total shifts in that game, Mathews had 27, tied with JT for most on the team. Yet Matthews played almost 3 less minutes. For comparison, Bergeron had 24 total shifts and Marchand had 23 for Boston. What's interesting is his average shift length in games 1-5 was 47 seconds but in 6 and 7 it dropped to 40 seconds. I think you have to at least question Matthews and why he cut his shifts short in the last 2 games of the series. Was he tired and couldn't sustain being on the ice longer? Or was Babcock pulling him off earlier? In any event, Babcock is gone and it was the right decision. Perhaps this should have been done at the end of last year. Just something to think about :)

[@Xthecrowx1122]

I guess he was correct

[@deuces_shoeless]

Oh the irony in watching this in 2019

[@normal_176]

Here because of the Babcock firing!

[@us-Bahn]

The full story is much deeper and more damning than anything you’ll ever hear on Twitter, talk shows or blogs. It’s part of the code of professional athletes to keep it out of the public realm. You will never hear a complaint from Lidstrom, Larianov or Zetterberg. Not publicly, not privately.

[@nater2121]

Spezza should Semin his contract so he can play. Still a legit 3rd line center on some teams. San Jose maybe and make the oldest line in league history. They can call it the century line.

[@MS-ij1tq]

Us Wings fans have heard this one before.

[@KickTheTyrant]

Babcock is awful. Players hate him. He bumped heads with Kariya in ANA, he ran Bowman’s dynasty into the dirt. Few vets want to play with him.

[@marcob6880]

The sainted Scotty came into the situation when the team was already together, he had zero input into the construction of that team, Bryan Murray and Kenny Holland did all the spade work

[@davidpitts5851]

I can’t remember which was first. Did Kariya sign with the aves before babcock left or after? He took a huge paycut too. Like massive. There had to be some things going on behind the scenes more than we know, because it was so sudden with Paul leaving.

[@Jeff-uq7iu]

He loves glendening my god he loves him!

[@blacksunshine1089]

I don’t know about that. A lot of guys came and went under Bowman’s watch. And it was Jimmy Develano who built that team. Ken Holland didn’t take over as GM until late 1997 after the Red Wings won the Stanley Cup, and 4 years after Scotty Bowman came to Detroit.

[@blacksunshine1089]

David Pitts, I think it was before. I suspect the main reason why he went to Colorado is that he wanted to play for a Cup contender which Anaheim really wasn’t back in 2003 and 2004. Sure, they got to the Finals in 2003, but were a Cinderella team that year. They weren’t in the same league as Detroit, Colorado, Dallas, Philadelphia, or Toronto at that time.

[@plowking813]

Spezza: Hold my beer

[@BobbyBoucher228]

If we knew what we know now about Mike Babcock, people might have realized how right Chelios was about how shitty Babcock was as a coach and a person.

[@shtanna]

I like him regardless of my feeling towards the Leafs, but playing your best goal scorer only 13min in game 7 is absolutely inexcusable. What is this now 7 straight first round exits?

[@sweetswing1]

Yeah but he played Marleau lol. That was all ego. He want's Matthews to beg for ice time. He's trash.

[@mcaddicts]

Spezza made the mistake. Should had went back to the Sens if he wanted ice time

[@mcaddicts]

@B Would had made a great mentor for the young kids. Could even had been captain again.

[@mikec4845]

Spezza went to the Leafs just so he can have Toronto as a team he played for which happens to be his home town team he grew up rooting for.

[@SaviLikesFNAF]

babcock will never win another cup. the only reason he won one, was inheriting the team from bowman. commodore talks about how babcock treats people with no respect, and no one wants to play for him. as a detroit fan, i watched as free agents fled from detroit. toronto will can him by end of season, when they lose to boston again.

[@kd-pt1zy]

Two face Babcock. I couldn't agree more. I heard some wings fans they want him back. I was like no way you guys should want him. Babs got a great team made by Kenny Holland and Scotty Bowman as you said. As a pens fan. I think your future is brighter without babs two face.

[@Eric_from_Toronto]

How right he was

[@TterribleTexasTJ]

One of the most overrated coaches ever. Was handed a great team, coached Team Canada and won, which an atoms coach could do, and Toronto thought he was the one to continue the rebuild? Did they not see Detroit play the last three to four seasons? Babcock had and has no idea how to bring up a young team. He cannot inspire his players, he cannot fire up a gas grill! No imagination, no deviation from what he believes is right no matter what. I'm not 100% on Jeff Blashill's wagon, but the best thing happened to the Redwings was Babcock saying yes to Toronto, and then The Captain coming home! In Stevie Y. We Trust!

[@kenryan4224]

Well put sure you don’t want him back for a bag of broken pucks

[@djsabourin101]

Aaaaand he was right!

[@Billybob-eo5vf]

Wow. This aged correctly.

[@MrTommyo55]

If this is Toronto - it must be time to change the coach. Second verse - same as the first - a little bit louder and a little bit worse.

[@bmac6679]

Babcock has Jason Spezza in his sights now

[@tommclarty17]

Every morning I wake up, eat breakfast and then I sit on the toilet and take a dirty, stinky Babcock.

[@chrisgroves4634]

loser

[@tommclarty17]

Chris Groves Thank you, Chris! Very cool!

[@michaelbacon8698]

Please cover more hockey!

[@acer13p11]

I never wanted him here in Toronto I think he is a meatball

[@matthoffman6962]

Well he was wrong about that one. Hello Tavares! But I guess he was on to something about babcock

[@thebeagles2025]

True BUT... Tavares came to Toronto because of a video the team sent him, which supposedly included the entire team begging him to come. I think the players on the team overrode his possible inclination to stay away from the team like all others did. Now that I hear these things about Babcock it makes me wonder why Stamkos really decided not to come to Toronto.

[@Jeff-uq7iu]

What's worse babcock or blashill as head coach? I cant even answer that

[@timmyeades7908]

They are clones...lol. They even speak with the same cadence.

[@TheAdamisgay]

Remember that movie Serendipity when each clone kept getting dumber and dumber? That's Blashill.

[@Grandtrunk]

both suck

[@Grandtrunk]

@@TheAdamisgay looks exactly like Bielsma, the assistant coach of Wings

[@Kurt-ci1dk]

That vid did not hold up well. No surprise that panel is relatively obscure...

[@rusevdai5810]

You guys seemed professional until you started talking about his wife like that, that was lame.

[@SirCanuckelhead]

Humans and their vanities. You have to be something if you have stuff that looks good.

[@notsure4648]

@@SirCanuckelhead Yep

[@TheD34DxL34D3RS]

Man do these guys know anything about hockey ???

[@FryngeMinority]

Anyone know the story of Babs making an ass of himself in Humboldt at a Broncos thing? I don’t know but I heard something went down

[@Jeff-uq7iu]

I seen a couple comments mentioning it, but cant find any info on it

[@incrediblesulk555]

Stop talking shit then if you don’t know.

[@RICHTVLIVE]

Great channel

[@chrisslaunwhite685]

I remember when John Gallagher was the man in Toronto! Fuck what a crazy world!

[@marcob6880]

who?

[@709mash]

Welp, Chelly was right allll along.

[@discoveryman59]

Coaches are as good as the team they coach! I could win with all the teams Mike Babcock won with, same with Scotty Bowman.

[@templetonbob]

Scotty changed the Wings into a better defensive team. They went from never getting it done to multiple cup wins.

[@keithhinchcliffe5629]

who's Brooks Lite?

[@robertlongwill8856]

Keith that is Brooks laich he was a hockey player I'm not sure what he's doing now

[@keithhinchcliffe5629]

@@robertlongwill8856 - cheers!

[@peternordqvist7280]

Mycket bra serie som håller

[@Dave-fo1cb]

Babcock is overrated and outdated

[@sweetswing1]

100%

[@TheLitehart1]

And overpaid...

[@mrbill4187]

@Randy Savage His career record is thanks to Nick Lidstrom, Pavel Datsyuk, and Henrik Zetterberg.

[@austonboston4361]

And so do you buddy👍🏻🇨🇦

[@jrgreiner]

I've obviously (as 99% of us here) never met Babcock or know him personally, but I can truthfully say that I don't think I've ever seen ANYONE who comes across more arrogant, pompous and condescending than him. Plus, I hate the Leafs so it's a win-win!

[@BedwetterCDN]

Power struggle with the desks

[@jayp.6166]

00:24-00:28.....Well I guess that didn't matter when they signed one of the biggest UFA's in the history of the game. But, I do agree that there has been a sense of resentment towards Babs from the players of late. The guy is certainly not a "players coach" and I think he tends to rub his players (and GM) the wrong way sometimes. That being said, no one ever said the bench boss had to be a "players coach". They aren't there to make friends, they're there to win. However, as soon as Babcock loses the dressing room, he's gotta go. There's no fixing that

[@AV57]

Jay P., on one end, you’ve got Brice Boudreau who every player loves, then you’ve got Babcock who every player hates. They both find a way to lose in their own interesting ways. Craig Berube seems to have figured it out by just gaining the respect of the players by communicating well, not lying to them about their roles or their opportunities, but still backing them up and having confidence in them to do their jobs. The players love him, but they still know they have to work hard and pay attention.

[@jayp.6166]

@@AV57 Absolutely. It's a fine line. Even when Babcock was rumored to be coming to the Leafs, I thought it was an odd hire. The Leafs were smack in the middle of the rebuild (Before drafting Matthews, Trading for Andersen etc.) and it was clear that youth was the future for this team. A younger coach with a new school mentality would have made more sense....I think. Kind of like Jared Bednar or John Cooper. That being said, who that fits that profile was/ is available? Sheldon Keefe? Is he ready? Who knows. Point being, i don't know if old school mentality is necessarily the right direction to go when you have a young core. ...Neither have worked for the Oilers lol

[@AV57]

@@jayp.6166, I'm not sure if he's still coaching, but I bet Steve Thomas would be a great fit for the Leafs. He understands Toronto media, he'd instantly have the respect of every Leafs player, the fans would love him, and he could probably get most the Leafs to jump out a 2-story window with that scowl of his.

[@jayp.6166]

@@AV57 lol Last I can remember he was an assistant in Tampa I think???? I don't believe he is currently part of Coopers staff

[@nicholasbenoite5847]

@@jayp.6166 cute... You realize it hadn't worked for the leafs since 67? Lol 🙄

[@MsRyanguy]

Welcome home Tavaris

[@user-wp9mb5yq5e]

lol that's not how it's spelled.

[@ROMSradio]

Omg bring back Luke Shenn!

[@johngilmour8945]

The Leaf conspiracy began when dubas got rid of MCElhinneythe results were that your players cannot score, if the have to hang in their own end, protecting their goalie?????

[@dub16100]

One too many guys on this convo.

[@jayp.6166]

....John Tavares came home so.....

[@goku123super]

Mike Babcock is now gone.

[@joebaker5089]

I agree. Babcock is a buster

[@fdannn6926]

Mike Babcock is Triple Gold Club coach, he's the most decorated coach in the game. Marleau signed in Toronto not only because of the young talented core but because he played under Babs with Team Canada and knows he's an excellent coach who gets the most out of his players.

[@thomasdidymus1393]

How many Stanley Cups has Mike Babcock won???

[@anababic4085]

@@thomasdidymus1393 1

[@VodkaSoda]

Yeah, he got the most out of his roster last night OP! Dude couldn't even adjust his team and the Bruins kicked the Leafs' ass again. Another game 7 loss. Babs hasn't been pass the second round since 2009. Dude has a stellar series record of 3-9 since then. His teams are amazing 1-6 in game 7s in the past 7 playoffs. And he's 0-5 is series clinching games since 2014-2015. These are stats that indicate he does not get the most out of his players.

[@timmullens9479]

I see at least 6 who are so obviously better. (Babs he's okay.)

[@jonnyboy5357]

Ahhahahahahahahhahahah ahhhhhhhhhh ahhahahahahahhaha wow, talk about delusional lol my god!!

[@atso614]

What about Marleau and Hainsey? Chelios is just sour that the game's moved on without him

[@blacksunshine1089]

“Moved on without him”? Chelios retired years ago. That said, the guy has nothing to be “sour” about. He enjoyed a hall of fame career until his mid 40s, won 3 Stanley Cups, and played for 6 Stanley Cup teams. Like most other players, the guys you mentioned can’t say that.

[@atso614]

@@blacksunshine1089 no argument Chelios had a great career but pointing out the statement that no veteran FAs will sign with the leafs is simply flawed and perhaps because he played for Babcock near the end of his career might not be an indictment on Babcock's preference for younger players versus he just wasn't effective anymore

[@blacksunshine1089]

@@atso614 or that he just didn't like Babcock. At the end of the day, it wasn't his call. The Red Wings' has long been partial to veterans. That was the case long before Babcock came there. Good God, people were predicting the Red Wings' decline a decade before he arrived. He basically came into it... after they had already won 3 Stanley Cups ( 1997, 1998, and 2002). The team he won it with in 2008 wasn't exactly a young team either. Holland always went after the veterans.

[@Grandtrunk]

@@blacksunshine1089 Chelios's play deteriorated in the last couple of years

[@Nas-ur6lb]

This is like the #metoo movement of hockey....

[@fatandhandsome5922]

Didn’t listen to Chris before. Ain’t gonna start now.

[@FinallyIhavecomeback]

Marleau, Tavares and Spezza. Enough said

[@martincamenzuli4774]

Marleau is out, Spezza will quit soon enough. Tavares is a super star so u can't lose with him but babshit will mess it up sooner or later.

[@arkansaswookie]

@@martincamenzuli4774 I was surprised that Spezza was a healthy scratch against the Sens.

[@onyourkilllist6880]

FinallyIhavecomeback *_Struggling to make the playoffs this year... enough said!_*

[@FinallyIhavecomeback]

@@onyourkilllist6880What's your point. My list is about comments about Vets not wanting to play for Babs yet I named some.

[@dudeit7721]

Love how these so called experts are WRONG AGAIN! ...

[@elyssia-paris3064]

lol this is bad comedy, imagine Chris Chelios talking about people not liking someone else...Chelios couldn't get along with anyone...everyone hated him and he's was just being a spoiled brat cause Babcock didn't care about how Chelios thought he was special...kinda funny how Zetterburg, Datsyuk and Lidstrom who were the stars of the team at the time didn't have a problem with Babcock...the only people that did had a problem with him were the aging hasbins that no one could care less about anymore

[@creepyrobsta5509]

Wrong on all counts..Lidstrom, Datsyuk, Zetterberg, Commodore, Kariya, Modano, etc, etc have all spoken negatively about Babcock!..do your research!

[@elyssia-paris3064]

@@creepyrobsta5509 You want to talk about doing your research do you? “My relationship with him has always been good. We butted heads a lot of times. I think he knew he could tell me whatever he wanted. And, I knew I could tell him whatever I wanted.” That's a direct quote from Henrik Zetterburgh talking about his relationship with Mike Babcock...Babcock was tough on him, he pushed him, they were at odds at times, but they respected each other. Lidstrom said he didn't have a difficult time playing under Babcock at all and he respected how Babcock ran a tight ship. Datsyuk gave Babcock credit for turning him into one of the best 2-way forwards in the NHL. Mike Commodore, who cares, he was lucky to have an NHL career at all and was the source of controversy with multiple coaches and teams. Kariya was soft and again he whined and complained about multiple coaches...In Colorado, they got so sick of him, they barely played him after a while...Even Selanne got sick of dealing with him and they went their separate ways after their time in Colorado. I loved Mike Modano, but even Dallas stopped playing him before he went to Detroit, he was done as an NHL player and couldn't let go. Modano was trying to hold on to past glory when he should have retired with dignity. I mean if you want to talk about doing research, maybe you should try doing some yourself...I'm going off personal knowledge, but I know for a fact you can do a few simple google searches and find information to back up everything I have said here.

[@elyssia-paris3064]

@@creepyrobsta5509 oh Here's some more quotes from players that played under Babcock for ya since you brought up the whole research thing. "Mike was great to me," Tavares said. "The conversations we had, whether it was about my game and making mistakes or making good plays and playing the way they needed me to play, was all very good, and the message was able to give me a lot of confidence. "Obviously guys have to understand their roles pretty quickly," Crosby said. "So whether it's the guys he puts together or what he communicates along with the whole coaching staff, I think it's been pretty clear. You know what your role is going to be and how you are going to help the team, and I think that is really important." I don't know, but when the best players in the world and the ones that know what it takes to win at the highest level are saying you made a positive impact on their careers and and saying that you made things easy for them. Who really cares what drama queens like Mike Commodore and Paul Kariya are saying. And who cares what washed up hasbins like Chelios and Modano are saying, that are probably more upset that they are too old and aren't good at hockey anymore than anything else.

[@Blackphillipsupporter]

Babcock is the most overrated coach in NFL history.

[@bennyb6071]

He should coach soccer, yuge pussy

[@brucemcdonald1114]

Yes his NFL record is deplorable. Zero wins, zero losses, zero ties, zero games played.

[@martytruelove5026]

Would you play an Old Vet or a Young D man...get over it .

[@scottcooneymusic6736]

It's not that, he tells vets that they will have a chance to play. He basically promises them that they will have a spot when they could sign with someone else and get a chance to play. And then he sits them and scratches them during some of the most important games of their careers. Ask Mike Modano, Nick Lidstrom, Jason Spezza, Dan Cleary and Mike Commodore about how they feel about Babcock. Hes a two faced shithead

[@remolalougarou6512]

To bad you can’t send a coach threw waivers. Now that would be funny and Mike Commodore would be in cloud nine. Waivers Hi hi hi

[@cedarbay3994]

Fount of knowledge, not fountain 🤨

[@gregoldmission]

Fuckin DeJaVu

[@golf4ubacknine768]

Any validity to this show lol

[@dub16100]

Watters is such a clown. Always looking for attention.

[@johnwisniewski2042]

Leafs will never win a Cup with babs. All indications are that he is an asshole to players. I think babs is not a good coach. Another early exit this season.

[@chuckhaugan4970]

He's toxic. Can't stand Babcock. Toronto made a huge mistake.

[@johngilmour8945]

nobody is talking to babcock??? and babcock most likely will not comment until his contract runs out, or another team buy's it! babcock has too much integrity, to feed the media, which helped crucify him, In My Opinion!