Aoba - Upgraded Furutaka

[@Flamuu]

Amusingly, or perhaps depressingly, the fail division that I was annoyed by had members that far outperformed many of my T7 teammates. Not sure what that says about my team.

[@patrickcloete589]

am here

[@Cailus3542]

Flamu One semi-competent player in an Omaha can beat an idiot in a Myoko. What’s depressing is how often it feels like we see it happening, with top tier ships performing poorly and bottom tier ships carrying the game.

[@ggkavlos]

Flamu Actually you can manipulate MM in fail division, team up with a Langley with Julio Cesar and you become the top dog, I know it's dirty but it's an option to deal with stupid WG mission

[@nathanhartanto2544]

The most depressing thing ever was when fail dived in a NY and topped the scoreboard. Thanks for that NY commentary, Flamu.

[@martinwolf6202]

yeah I wanted to mention that as well, the T-22 traded basically with the Maas and the one Isokaze sunk a cruiser.

[@MIO9_sh]

actually the issue about shells failing to hit on beached target is not the fault of the WOWs code itself, it's more about the fact that when your ship is moving not directly toward the target, you're also giving the shells a horizontal velocity vector (because your ship itself have some speed when sailing around) in addition to the initial shell velocity when you fire, altering the resultant course of the shells and finally make the shell land slightly off the target by the direction your own ship is moving. It's annoying , but WG did made the shells physics realistic....

[@cristianfernandezmoreno5781]

Nope, your ships movement isn't taken into account in WOWS, look into War Thunder and you'll quickly notice the difference

[@MIO9_sh]

@@cristianfernandezmoreno5781 well i actually rethink about this problem recently.... and found out wows really ignore the ship movement, as it doesnt seems to hit the target moving parallel to you in same speed same direction without leading the target

[@RobTzu]

I play t6 I get t8 mm. I get t8, then get t10 mm. damn troll game

[@axeltruth4844]

RobTzu 1 yup, cleavland constantly gets t8 mm and Benson seems to always get t10. It’s weird

[@RedShirtGuy96]

Play tier 10 then

[@RobTzu]

Edgy. I haven't seen such wit in ages.

[@RedShirtGuy96]

RobTzu 1 in all fairness I personally hate tier 6 and 7 matchmaking as well. In my opinion tier 8s fare better in tier 10 matches than tier 6s do in tier 8 matches. So I have no problem playing anything tier 8 and up. Usually at tier 8 ships have all the tools they need to survive matches. Its when the radar lines get their radar. When the dd lines become the most flexible and the BB lines get the ability to bow tank non-yamato shells.

[@RobTzu]

Every so often getting t10 mm in t8 is ok, but getting every time is unenjoyable. I looked forward to my Richeliue but now that I got, it is just frustrating. Getting to t10 is good, but it does nothing to make that t8 ship more fun to play. I will most likely end up selling it once I hit t9.

[@Duckquek17]

I really enjoy your reviews, no flattery or bullshit of any kind. Just pure honest relevant facts, along with a few life lessons sprinkled here and there.

[@despinoza6205]

Thx for the update. I especially thought the reminder about AP was important. It's frequently overlooked in favor of the excellent HE

[@ResistLight]

once u get the zao ull never look back again

[@Xavier_LD]

Zao is kinda mediocre due to lots of power creep though.

[@rageusran]

Tom Chen Zao is still one of the best cruiser in the game. Even they have a lot of power creep. I would prefer zao over others T10 cruiser anyday.

[@Itsallgoodtogo]

The only thing that makes Zao feel like it has been power creeped ... Lack of effective consumables. Other than that ... its a great allrounder.

[@vae9430]

Got the Zao months ago, played it 3 times x)

[@Itsallgoodtogo]

Va e yeah it's not a fun ship since it has no special quirks. But it is consistent :)

[@dmgill83]

Don't take this the wrong way, but its nice to see that you are occasionally susceptible to matchmaking instead of always coming out on top. ;-)

[@Juggy00]

Always makes me wonder what goes on in some players heads... that BB is unfortunately usually 60% of your team

[@Gyphon]

Sad as it is...this is why I keep a 19pt capt in my Aoba. I enjoy this ship.

[@estoyaqui5386]

What is your captain-build? I rebought Aoba recently and have a 12pts captain for her.

[@Hombremaniac]

Well it's not sad. You just like bit of a seal clubbing, is all.

[@shoukatsukai]

Still prefer Furutaka for clubbing... T5 is easier. And Myoko ends up much better in uptiers than Aoba tbh

[@Hombremaniac]

Nice to see Flamu restraining himself from swearing like a sailor, when something is not as it should be. Perhaps it's a sign of things to come?

[@greasemonkey6362]

Aww Flamu that Fluie bug really got you :( Sending lots of get better wishes . Thank you for this series I am at the Myoko ( all 6 of them ) grinding S L O W L Y as I am not the best CA player :)

[@25xxfrostxx]

I absolutely love the Aoba and it is one of my favorite T6 cruisers. I totally agree on Defensive AA over hydro. The defensive AA combined with the Aoba's short length and great maneuverability make it very hard for a carrier to torpedo, particularly if the carrier can't manual drop. Also, you don't want to be pushing smoke with the long 203mm reload so that limits the usefulness of hydro and the fighter plane functions as a poor man's hydro anyway, especially if you take the captain skill to have two of them up.

[@ewn95]

Aoba is one of my favorites too, her defensive aa is great, better than Mogami

[@SlmTm-ou5mt]

If you ever look back at the t9 French BB, I would recommend a secondary build from what I’ve seen of it. Imagine Bismarck secondaries on it.

[@JN-ug5ky]

WoT is doing a great job at preventing fail divisions.

[@pedjamar22]

Great video thx for detailed explanation!! Cheers mate !

[@livnick8354]

"Your idiot, you ate all the torpedoes!"

[@martyrudd5385]

Biggest difference between Furutaka and Aoba is rate of fire on the 203s. The Furutaka's is in the same 15 second range as the rest of the line. But the Aoba's stands out from the rest at about 10 seconds, making for better DPM than the Furu to hunt DDs with. Without this there would be virtually no upgrade from tier 5 to 6 in the line. Then, at 7 you go from 3 turrets to 5, but back to 15 second reloads. Second noticeable change is the Aoba begins the normal (for IJN) rear Quadrant torpedo arch, while the Furu has an arch similar to other cruisers or DDs. Overall I love the line and play tier 5 to 8 in it often. I have a Zao, but detest top tier game play meta.

[@axeltruth4844]

I thought speed boost didn’t affect speed when active if your engine brakes, even with last stand? Am I thinking of something else

[@cm1971it]

Hello Flamu, thanks for the great content here on youtube. Can you help me with a question about the US cruiser split ? What will happen to my T6 Cleveland and my T8 New Orleans I have in port ? Will I get the new T8 Baltimore for free ? Will my T6 Cleveland be upgraded to the new T8 Cleveland or will i just get the new T6 Pensacola ?

[@exaltdragon]

12:45 So if a cruiser gets caught broadside on to a BB, it should ground itself and become immune to cits? SeemsGood

[@Panservogn]

You shud have gotten the win, you did well.

[@deanoliv2880]

enjoying ur ijn cruiser guide

[@dextercochran4916]

Doesn't it just KILL you when you're doing EVERYTHING right and those one or two bumblefucks on your team just potato the win away?

[@Ensign_Cthulhu]

It kills me when not only does this happen, but also a potato like me is either the last player left alive or best on team at the end (or both), because it means everyone else on my team was worse. Bonus aggravation points when I get a personal-best damage total for that particular ship and the loss costs me hugely in terms of potential XP for the grind.

[@AndrejD303]

kind of sad when you realize that atago has same fire rate as aoba (10 every 16 seconds vs 6 every 10)

[@pinkyandbrain123]

Hi Flumy hope you and Flambass find a suitable new home 🙂

[@bullreeves1109]

BrainzZzZz Did they really remove him to?

[@pinkyandbrain123]

Yes.

[@lamri13uk]

BrainzZzZz Whats happened?

[@pinkyandbrain123]

Answer on Flambass' channel: Flambass Wow 4 out of 5 comments are: "Why you leave OMNI" They didn't want me and a lot of others there They were kinda blaming the streamers for their dedication to streaming and losing the games Now let's move away from the subject kzbin.info/www/bejne/aqSsY6ihaLybhZY

[@bullreeves1109]

Matt Green OMNI Kicked Flamu and Flambass out of there clan.

[@Thenotsofamousone]

my favorite ijn cruiser bought it back and got the premium camo for it

[@Panservogn]

Yay new flamu video.

[@vk45de54]

Aoba isn't an upgrade to the Furutaka. The guns are like 30% faster reload but the handling is worse in every way - turrent traverse, turn radius, rudder shift.

[@marc6160]

can you make a guide on the october révolution ?

[@silentblu5968]

I love the furutaka, it shown me the power of the Japanese cruiser teir. and prob gonna be my next video.

[@Rymbaba]

Flamu can you make your next video about this ninja nerf that Missouri recieved? There's something wrong about this ship right now. Dispersion is horrible.

[@Trygvar13]

I never got past the Aoba in the IJN line. I had some great games in it but most of the time I find myself bottom tier and end doing next to no damage.

[@Gundolf300]

Patrick Marchand You stopped to soon. Myoko is a gamechanger.

[@sl4lrodi]

The best CA line and u stopped? Mogami and Zao are so much fun

[@Trygvar13]

I just played 7 games in it. All of them Tier VIII and all of them losses. 30k to go to Myoko. I don't think I will play it again :)

[@Gundolf300]

Patrick Marchand Well, it might be that you're playing them wrong. They excell at sneaking up close, spamming torps and he. You can burn down anything with these ships and myoko can even citadel a gneis. Doesn't get much more bad ass than that....

[@Hombremaniac]

I was also annoyend with the short range of their guns. Made it to T7 and did not play it for a very long time.

[@nicodemus7784]

I hate it when games end like that. I wish kills would extend the time limit in the final minute.

[@luukvanhamersveld9750]

First game in it I got a kraken and 120k dmg :)

[@Animefreakah]

Wait, is this an old replay? I thought when you division with someone you can only pick the same tier ships as everyone in the division. Maybe iam confused with WoT or maybe they made the division after the game had started.

[@Maximum445]

In divisions in WOWS you are allowed a 1 tier difference up or down. So in the vid the top tier in the div is the T5 meaning that the div can have up to T6 or T4. Matchmaking on the other hand decides to murder you and throw you into games with a 2-3 tier difference. Wargamming did change the division mechanics so instead of been able to bring a T3 into a T10 game it is now just a one Tier difference, so you can't have a T4, T5 and T6 in a div.

[@OniDemo]

+flamu I dont agree with the fail platoon comment. People want to play together. Its not their fault that a 1 tier difference landed them in a tier 7 game. If it was a tier 6 with 2 tier 4s i'd agree, but a 1 tier difference is no fault of theirs. Basically you just said "fuck you. Go play without your friends and wait for them to catch up" instead of "they got unfortunate MM while queuing up" even though that's what it was.

[@RedShirtGuy96]

H D I'm part of a huge clan. This game indeed is good with friends. Anyone who cant afford to division in the same tier is just an inexperienced player. When you have dozens of clanmates with ports filled with tier 10s and 50 other ships. The game is quite enjoyable. You just randomly pick a tier and div up and have fun.

[@OniDemo]

so you are saying people who dont have anything higher than a tier 4, but their friend has a tier 5 are inexperienced? Thanks for that wonderful insight. Nobody could have figured that out. That didnt address what we were talking about Mr. "I a part of a huge clan." What we were talking about was the fact that if they have no way to play on the same tier short of their friend staying at Tier 4 and spending money to convert the exp they gain that they could gain on their tier 5, or not playing with their friends at all because of the chance MM will fuck them and put them in a tier 7 match.

[@RedShirtGuy96]

BalisticChampion1 again all of that becomes moot when you have a decent clan that has enough people in it so that you can always division in the same tier. Even if you are a new player. If you join a large enough community they will be able to support you.

[@OniDemo]

You are still saying they arent allowed to play with their friends and the one with the ship 1 tier higher should just sit around and wait until their friends catch up with help from clanmates. That's not how people are. If people want to play with their friends, they should be allowed without getting punished severely for 1 tier difference. Getting angry at people and calling them a fail platoon even though they had no control over what match they were put in when wanting to play with their friend is both stupid, and unnecessary.

[@RedShirtGuy96]

BalisticChampion1 Yes. This is a game that favors commitment and time investment. If you can't commit then you shouldn't expect to excel. Call it elitism, but at the end of the day the people who refuse to commit won't enjoy the game and may eventually drop it and those who did will reach endgame and enjoy it.

[@SvenMl78]

The most annoying in WoWs: Guys who pinging on the Map, like a Spambot...but not writing in Chat, what they mean...i hate it!

[@junkiexl86]

Nowhere near as cancerous as watching player after player fire HE at a broadsided ship...

[@ConfusedBlueDragon]

To be fair I cannot stand players who both choose to play as a Battleship *and* stay at the very far back... My past experiences with unresponsive players like that tell me that unless you get extremely lucky and win, you're gonna lose no matter what...

[@shchorss]

I lose games even when I do push aggressively as a BB. What usually happens is that I will push a cap, get focus fired, tank damage for my cruisers/dds but only to realize that when I've blown through 2 repair parties and I'm sitting at half health, that my cruisers are sitting on the B line trying to snipe ships on the other side of the map.

[@junkiexl86]

@@shchorss We should meet up in game then if you like to be aggressive as a BB. My best matches are always when I find a BB and DD willing to push with me, esp in my DM.

[@stevenfu512]

Aoba or upcoming t6 Pensacola??

[@bullreeves1109]

hair clip 2nd Wait till they are out,

[@Terrathrax]

WG should do something to help these poor, sad IJN cruisers.

[@thomasbernecky2078]

you need an update since the buffs here, FL. Like the new Furutaka.

[@soffici1]

Hi Flamu, I know it's an old video but you said that someone playing tier 4 is pretty new to the game, so there is no point in telling them anything. Then you complain that high-tier players are clueless.. In this game you had a chance to improve someone's performance while he's still at a low tier, and therefore more willing to learn than someone already at tier 10, yet you decide not to. Feels like a shame to me

[@randomguy-tg7ok]

"Almost identical turret and torpedo setups". Yes, because Aoba can shot torps forward without turning broadside.

[@la_potat6065]

Which is why Furutaka >>>>>>> Aoba - all cause of that forward torp arcs , something that will forever be missed in high tier IJN Cruisers except Takao Class... Aoba is pretty meh and a copy and pasted Furutaka - Myoko is where the real fun starts for IJN Cruisers honestly...

[@BHuang92]

Hated this ship. The Furutaka does ok in its tier and a bit above but I really cant make the Aoba work. It struggles in higher tiers, being weak armor, meh guns terrible AA and torps. So frustrating when par with terrible teams.

[@hpwan2]

never under estimate the foolishness of your teammates..

[@king-mihai]

W E E B S

[@relhimp]

14:15 Omae wa mou shindeiru

[@ivaniii9707]

N-nani!!!

[@Kletterhase]

[Influenza]Flamu (?)

[@cfjruth]

Games like this are so frustrating. You have an amazing game, but your teammates can't even show a temporary glimmer of competency to help. Potatoes gonna potato.

[@phungtrungkien3689]

Speaking of fail div, I was in a Konigsberg while my div mate is an Orion and we ended up against tier 7. But in the end our div along with an Indianapolis killed 9 out of the enemy ships (Mine 2, my Orion 3 and 4 for the Indianapolis)

[@TheD2JBug]

The Furious Taco was always a favorite of mine. I can't help feeling the Aoba is a slight downgrade

[@shchorss]

It's because you can't club little tier 4 seals.

[@michaelstanley1112]

troll div,. For example: one T7 CV, and two T9 ships. identifical CV MM will only get you into a T7 CV games. T9 ships are guaranteed top tier

[@MRapapp]

Michael Stanley you can only team +-1 Tier so your thought isn't possible to do

[@tragedyofwind]

or use a T7 and team up with T8. if you got drag to T9, a random T7 CV player will get into a T9 game. you are trolling the enemy CV

[@saltytattie833]

I tend to go against T8 mm more than T7

[@KingofStreet3]

I feel like she's abit to squishy

[@Javaman92]

See, here is my problem, when that BB played so stupidly I would have been furious. I have a hard time with stupid. I'm to the point where I play this game sparingly because it just isn't good for my blood pressure. lol

[@vlad78th]

Aoba rudder shit time is much better thanks to rudder upgrade which make her much more survivable against BBs. Kurutaka turns like a brick and take AP volleys pretty poorly from any angle.

[@RedShirtGuy96]

vlad78th you must be new to heavy cruiser play. Getting raped by battleship AP from every angle is totally normal. Thats why you use terrain concealment and situational awareness to dictate the match to your terms

[@andrechapetta]

Ai Jay Ene

[@wesley_b]

Rough loss... potato team mates are the most frustrating aspect of this game.

[@degtarev95]

umm its not eyoba its aoba

[@Zelectrocutica]

btw, flamu. maybe you should take a break 2-3 days.

[@Eveseptir]

Damn :(

[@Erick_The_Green]

i had the flu for a month, ridiculous

[@SuperSadBois]

flamu, facecam when?

[@Naesil89]

Every tuesday on his stream.

[@dejosss]

I love ur accent lmao

[@Raptor747]

You can get six kills, you can play all of the objectives...but you have fail teammates, so you--you lost that one. That was a lose.

[@jason41a]

Cough cough

[@gilo1303]

No disrespect meant, but guys like you and my flatmate worry me. You've done very well. Thanks for the vid. I just don't trust it at all. - Jus saying Go and play Counter-Strike. (player since 2003) My best learner was "Stalker"/. Played it?

[@Xingmey]

2 tier 4 and 1 tier 5 are not a failplatoon, it is failed matchmaking for making them go into a tier 6 battle. they have done nothing wrong

[@RedShirtGuy96]

Foxi! No. You should never ever div out of tier.

[@Wildboy0001]

vgj

[@MrAwsomeshot]

it is pronounced egg-lee

[@JoeMun]

I’m sorry but you definitely could have killed the Aigle at the end. That was poor shooting, and you also didn’t use your rear turret to try and have more shells flying

[@Naesil89]

Could have but didn't he also could have killed 10 ships instead of 6 and win that way, see backseat gaming is easy!

[@JoeMun]

jjarvinen this wasn’t tho, when it’s all said and done it’s kill the Aigle or lose. And the shooting wasn’t the best