AoE2 Pro VS AoE4 Hardest AI

[@theodentherenewed4785]

TheViper vs 4 hardest AI, we're looking forward to the series being revived.

[@23Kaugummi]

silver boy is to scared or to tired🤔😂🥈

[@GonzaloEyzaguirre13]

I’m pretty sure he will be able to do more than 4 at the current AI difficulty

[@SlyNine]

Most youtubers "Thanks for the follow" Viper "Stop following me! I'm busy!"

[@Sam-pr6oe]

It's SO cute how the sheep run after military units lol

[@jorgejimenezlobato5781]

Running to the death!! Yeah 🤘

[@fgnoyola]

"Hardest AI... Is this all you can conjure?" SilverBoy Oct, 2021.

[@soldier22881]

11:45 im guessing?

[@caminantesdecielos]

LOTR FAN for sure.

[@MasterMace88]

He's not silerboy anymore, he's 7/10 goldboy now ;)

[@asdf123311]

the voices of the units are really good

[@tomansionpercussion4389]

EXPLORO !

[@niksarass]

In quality of the recording yes. But what they say is totally unrealistic and doesn't fit the medieval era. They gave latin words from galloroman antiquity era to the medieval French who were already speaking a Language relatively close to modern French in 600-700 bc (see Grégoire de tours first books about French history 1300 years ago). Let alone late medieval...

[@goodbadluck5486]

Sound design in games recently have been absolutely amazing. Particularly in this game it is so cool even when your scout spots someone moving and they yell out to you, also when they actually make noise when fights take place.

[@mrbelgrade6631]

AOE streamer: “I need to send this unit to this spot” *clicks mouse 15 times*

[@wickysoldier]

You never played AoE 1 back in the day did you? 15 clicks minimum

[@rylanhaworth5662]

Yea... people used to and probably still do... click frantically around the screen and to keep their "apm" up.. especially in starcraft. It's normal in any decent competative rts. I think people can get an average of up to 400 actions per minute even in like half an hour long games... 6 clicks a second. 90% of of them are probably useless but it does keep the hands moving and brain ticking.

[@scintillam_dei]

It's ridiculous.

[@guest273]

@@rylanhaworth5662 Uuuum... Well ackchyually xD let me educate you: 1) The reason why people frantically click around the screen isn't because of APM in most cases. Usually it's because of the movement system of the game. A) In LOL / DoTA2 clicking around as your hero is moving helps them keep their momentum. What that actually means in simple terms: Hero goes at speed 1. To reach speed 1 from speed 0 it takes the hero 1 second. During this 1 second he's moving at speeds below 1, so a melee hero with a speed of 1 can catch up to him while he's accelerating and hit him before he can get away. OR B) in the Original StarCraft the unit pathfinding is utter trash, so you need to spam click to constantly override it. If you've never seen "dragoon pathfinding" in the original StarCraft then I highly recommend looking it up. Units bump into each other and are quite big, so often you see a pack of 10 units and if you only click once, then 1-2 of the units is going the opposite direction! xD 2) 400 APM is a stretch, it's more in the 200-300 range. And yes, there's usually less things happening in the early game and players want to not have to build up that momentum. You get better running results if at the start of the measurement you're already running, if that makes sense. So APM spam is like "a warmup circle" idk if that makes sense. 3) In StarCraft 2 it's pretty easy to generate APM by holding down unit production in buildings when you don't have enough resources initially but the units get built as the resources come in. SC2 players often say that "Zerg APM" works in special ways, because you initially select like 20 larva and hold down the Z key for Zerglings, so those 20 commands to produce units are issued in like 1.5 seconds... Not because you clicked the Z key 20 times, but because 1 APM is like 1 valid / invalid action tracked. I guarantee you that from those 250 APM's around 150-200ish are still pretty useful - unit production / unit movement.

[@MFrank1985]

@@guest273 Cool.

[@darkale658]

From what I'm seeing AOE4 looks really good, like what AOE3 should have been in my opinion. I hope we get a new Age of Mythology

[@skylarius3757]

Graphics have certainly moved on since aoe 3 was launched.

[@gulanhem9495]

@@skylarius3757 Actually the graphics are its weakest part. AoE III came out in 2005. AoE 4 looks like one generation after AoE 3, so about a 2012 game. Not like a 2021 game.

[@Fatallica]

​@MaztaPan thought i was the only one

[@thechosenonedaniel]

Aoe3 is still one of my favorites and a very good game in my opinion

[@jbeenhacked2872]

why is empire earth dead? more ages, epochs, units, resources, tech trees, etc etc..scen editor , map maker...etc etc its twice the content ..better UI for example control groups ..i could go on and on ,,is it because aoe is microsoft ?

[@rensvopstal]

French knights famously had no issues with English longbowmen

[@mrguysnailz4907]

Not on open terrain..

[@niksarass]

In Patay and battle of La Brossiniere the French knights litteraly destroyed the English longbows with nearly no losses. Those battles are not overhyped like Agincourt though.

[@niksarass]

Even in Agincourt the longbows were not the majority. What killed the French was the blind charges against pikes in a muddy terrain. Great tactical use of pikes and terrain was what defeated the heavy cavalry almost every time in the whole medieval history until gunpowder.

[@MachineGunther]

18:04 - Perfect timing with the sound and ram completion :)

[@TheBl0rp]

It seems 100% of AoE2 streamers who switched to Facebook have notification problems.

[@furkankanmaz5944]

Once you become hoang you cant resist to build forward siege workshop

[@iforgot87872]

Forward siege workshop is somehow still underrated imo

[@RustyBrakes]

Do you think players will have "a civ" in Age4 Mr Viper? It seems like a good idea when there are quite a lot of differences to learn with their bonuses, units and landmarks - especially Mongols who seem as different as a StarCraft 2 faction might be

[@theodentherenewed4785]

I think AoE4 and SC2 tournaments for that matter should impose that you play all civilizations, in AoE4 it's easy, in a best of 7 you have to play 7 different civilizations. I'd make players play all 3 races in SC2 too, but I barely know this game to say why it isn't the case already. I'd be interested to know. For me, as an AoE2 guy, it's weird that anybody would be allowed to pick the same race/civilization all the time.

[@skarthik345]

@@theodentherenewed4785 The thing with comparing aoe2 civs with SC2 races is that in aoe2 all the gameplay mechanics(almost 90% except maybe hun house bonus, sicilian first crusade, burgundian flemish revo. etc) remain same while the bonuses vary, but in SC2 the entire game mechanics of building your eco producing army etc is vastly different(IMO at least 50%), even though they try to balance them all the time for all the diff kind of maps. And I agree with OP here that Mongol seems a lot diff with their mechanics compared to other civs. And the thing with forcing Pros to play what they're not comfortable with will kill the scene. i.e. We might see lopsided and uninteresting matches where one player is comfortable with certain aspects of mechanics of 1 civ thereby crushing others but is below par with others whereby losing matches with sub optimal gameplay. 1 thing I guessed is Daut being sub par on Mongols with the micro intensive gameplay, but boy was I wrong, last I heard he was crushing everyone with Mongols. (maybe till others figure out the game, but never doubt the Lord)

[@theodentherenewed4785]

@@skarthik345 I understand that the differences are really big, however in AoE2 it has always happened that pros need to play outside of their comfort zone. For example Daut doesn't like water maps, yet he had to play them through many tournaments, Hera doesn't like Arena and also had to play it in mixed-maps tournaments, so I think every player should learn every strategy, especially if you want to compete for money in a tournament.

[@tanyuanzheng797]

@@theodentherenewed4785 I think while like you said, AOE2 awards generalist players who are able to play outside of their comfort zone, SC2 is so specialised and asymmetric in their Race/Civ design that each of the 3 Races is so different from each other, that forcing pros to play all 3 will greatly decrease the skill ceiling overall. To put things into perspective, like Karthik said, while in AOE2 things are largely the same across civs (the same overall set of units in Barracks/Range/Stable, with civs having access to a subset of the units avaliable), in SC2, every unit is unique across races, and it is not just the unit that are different, the purpose each unit serve is unique across races. For example, Terrans have a generalist ranged unit, the marines, that scale well into the late game; zerg do not have to largely rely on melee units to overwhelm. The races also have vastly different game mechanics: Terrans produce out of production buildings like barracks like in AOE2, while zergs can only produce out of their Hatchery (town centre equivalent in AOE2), so zergs often have to choose between buidling eco or building army. In light of such vast difference between races, it is very difficult for pros to pick up all 3 races in SC2 as compared to an AOE2 pro picking random while maintaining their level of mastery over the game. I would also argue the diversity is healthy for the competitive scene as well, since it allows the pros to distinguish themselves based on their preferred styles (not to say they can't play outside of their comfort zones, and most often than not the pros at the pinnacle often master all styles of play). For example, ParTing is known for his insane blink stalker micro, Maru and Clem for their marine control, etc, and it is only possible to achieve such levels of mastery when they focus on one race to play.

[@mgDuckyyy]

@@theodentherenewed4785 Why would you make all players play the 3 races in SCII?. You clearly don't understand the concept of the game if thats what you think.

[@cy9nvs]

Looks so easy when people who know what they're doing are playing. I used to play a lot of aoe1 as a kid, and a bit aoe2 DE when it came out. Bought AOE4 and got completely obliterated by just the "Hard" AI. 😅

[@jeffmeadis]

I think most people when they started playing just don't understand how RTS actually works. They think macro and micro are equally important. Once I understood that macro is 90% and micro is 10%, it's easy to become good very fast. Maybe not a top player, but good.

[@schmid1.079]

@@jeffmeadis Wouldnt say 90%/10%. More like 70%/30%. There are situations where you really need to focus, and not just let your army run in.

[@s-man5647]

looks like Viper is initiating combat with the knights too close to the target for the charge to proc. Other times, he's changing targets mid-charge which also cancels the charge

[@asdf123311]

If your archers are building the rams, why do you need a forward siege workshop?

[@makingivan]

The additional tech

[@cybersteel8]

In this case, he didn't use the forward siege workshop. He built it, forgetting that siege engineering is a thing. The only benefit to a forward siege workshop is to make those specific units closer to the enemy, such as the springald, mangonel, trebuchet (in castle age at least). If you intend on making rams, then you don't need a forward siege workshop. Also FYI you can research siege engineering in the feudal age and make rams, you don't need to be in castle age to do that :D

[@weerwolf]

Viper, how do you feel about the arrow implementation? Are the homing arrows detrimental for the depth of the game or is it actually fine and doesn't really matter?

[@icecoldchilipreppers]

Hill bonus and arrow dodging in AOE2 makes for a lot of less then exciting gameplay in the pro tournaments, I can see why they've gone that direction, but I personally hate it.

[@raifthemad]

@@icecoldchilipreppers Quite the opposite for me, made it a lot more exciting when arrows weren't guided missiles and positioning mattered, fighting over elevation was a thing. This is just unnecessary dumbing down.

[@MGPortraitArt]

@@icecoldchilipreppers Yeah I'm shocked you have this outlook. The two things you've listed there are strategic and tactical factors of the game that you need to _think_ about. Why is there such a desire for less thinking nowadays 🤷

[@upthecreek9784]

@@raifthemad They should of kept the hill bonus. The dodging arrows mechanic though is unrealistic and too much micro. Less micro is better for new players who don't have 400 apm.

[@godmode8687]

@@icecoldchilipreppers Hill bonus made sense and should defenetely be implemented. In every battle of history the person on higher ground had a significant advantage. And it adds to the tactical element. Fight for hills and defend them etc. But you are right about the dodging mechanic. Especially for arrows.

[@swgrantimus]

11:45 nice lotr reference

[@jorgejimenezlobato5781]

When you failed becoming PRO un AOE2 but you think you have a chance in AOE4... But you realize elite gamers already have metagames for an unreleased Game :'(

[@MrFunnyXD]

aoe2 still feeling better X_x

[@DarkxOver]

yeaa in the beta i played against the hard ai and i had no issues whatsoever beating it. considering i had no clue how about age 4 and im really not good at age 2, im not even rated, the ai seems somewhat lackluster atleast in open map 1v1s

[@NoraNoita]

probably didn't have Promi doing the scripts for it.

[@user-ez9ng2rw9c]

They do plan to improve that massively using machine learning in the future, I believe.

[@l33tpie]

I miss the unit production queue.

[@RJrules64]

Huh? It’s still there

[@Galva94a]

I read Aeo2 pro vs 4 Hardest AI and I got hyped. Great content anyway

[@j.luhnen7689]

i find it very hard to get used to the royal knights switching between lance and sword in the blink of an eye.

[@Paledomain]

so basically like the AoE II extreme AI, you pressure early you win

[@istheworldreal]

i mean logically speaking unless the AI is crippled to be beatable at late game, hardest AI will decimate you at late game. Let's be honest, no human can out manage AI multitasking

[@godmode8687]

@@istheworldreal maybe not manage Ai multitasking. But AI is still only following a script. Which can be pretty good, but is never as adaptive as a human player. So you can outsmart them, especially on difficult maps. So not all open and flat. Whether that is enough or not? Who knows.

[@arbernuka3679]

@@istheworldreal on age of empires 3 i could easily win against hardest AI late game ALWAYS..it was early game where i did strugle

[@waitingtilltheveryla]

Can you zoom out more? You can barely see a tiny piece of the map.

[@Dave7043]

But the towncenter bell is definitely fixed :)

[@skylarius3757]

DING DING!!

[@DudeBoerGaming]

DING DING!!

[@phirephate]

I 100% prefer the graphics and layout of AoE2. This just seems... weird.

[@DC9848]

Would be fun to see TheViper vs 7 Hardest AI

[@SentientNr6]

"We'll do well against the longbowmen as royal knights." Crecy, Agincourt, Poitiers,...

[@kinmersha]

unfortunately longbows are shit against armor in this game lol

[@saessence1]

well french won the war anyway so...

[@abaddou1]

Read about Patay and you'll understand why.

[@niksarass]

Battle of Patay, Battle of La Brossiniere, Battle of Castillon, Battle of Formigny. Longbows are overhyped, the pikes and blind cavalry charges are what made English victories

[@niksarass]

@@kinmersha That is actually realistic. Arrows couldn't pierce heavy armor.

[@QuirkyMuddles]

I wonder how would you do beating the hardest diffulty in a wonder victory, but only defending challenge hahaha (No water Micro Map) (Also if you could show attempts if you didnt get you first try too.... letting clear i do think you are perfectly capable of getting on first try)

[@Rawsawn]

"Hardest AI is that all you can muster?" - sincerely one of the best AOE players in the world 🙄

[@benjaminv6039]

Game looks fine, wont unseat AOE2 as the dominant AOE - im kinda sure of it.

[@gesamtkuntswreck]

it looks good but it's wierd... kinda like dota2

[@mbvglider]

@@gesamtkuntswreck heh it looks like Warcraft 3 to me, which I guess makes sense considering DotA obviously comes from WC3.

[@gesamtkuntswreck]

@@mbvglider wasnt wc3 mic more poligonal? But now that you mention it, it does feel similar

[@mbvglider]

@@gesamtkuntswreck Yes, but it was also 19 years ago so graphics cards didn't have the power they have now. I know the WC3 remaster was a disaster, but if they had done a better job with it, it might have looked more like this.

[@bogdanungureanu9751]

The game has exactly the same feel as aoe3. Why did they go for the silly graphics again

[@IschmarVI]

but unlike 4, 3 at least has things that make it a unique game - also, I love the excessive detail in 3 when it comes to units and attack animations (especially artillery)

[@matthewtaylor4453]

Man that early pressure is so key

[@Dave7043]

Where is the global queue, and why are the objectives still so big? :(

[@juliocesarmercadobenitez2645]

IDK but this game just don't feel natural. It's like super slow

[@Connection-Lost]

On AoE2 everyone tends to play at 1.75x speed

[@perrytran9504]

@@Connection-Lost This. Only a few timings are adjusted to feel the same at 1x in AoE4, so most techs and units feel like they take forever to come out.

[@juanhiriart3935]

It's suuuuper slow, i don't know how they don't realize this. nothing happens on the game. there is NO back and forward and yo have one fight and that is it. its sad :(

[@DudeBoerGaming]

Homing arrows killed micro gameplay

[@MichaelFlambe]

Loved watching the streams - missed it live cause the world is a sphere; But regarding you trying to figure out the mongols, your right, the ptoential is insane, but Mangudai is a late game unit, try early Oovoo, fast feudal and spend all the stone at once at double stable early knights. You out produce any other early knight civ (france or rus) , mix in archers as you need, and you've got a super strong opening. Don't muck around with dark age horseman as they're a waste of good stone. For late game try the university tech for fire arrows, and the oovoo raid bounty stone tech, you don't even need economy and just burn buildings with 15+ mangudai instantly and get 100+ food/gold each time. Its broken as all hell.

[@jake9705]

Don't really like AOE4 at all, the view is sooooo zoomed in. You can only see 3 buildings at a time on screen. By contrast, in AOE2, you could see two dozen buildings on screen at a time. This is common trick among modern video game developers: you can render "better graphics" by making default zoom very high, therefore excluding many objects from the screen and therefore reducing GPU processing load. It looks great, of course, you as the player just can't see much as a result, which leads to endless scrolling.

[@emilylee6018]

You'll have to work overtime to sell this game - what an anticlimax AOE4 turned out to be.

[@cestlavie5274]

Really looking forward for the campaign

[@GW2KillerBEE]

Did they increase the zoom distance?

[@Natedawgin97]

Next vid VS 4 hardest AI

[@tommylau7457]

Aoe2 hardest player vs Aoe4 hardest AI

[@ZacklFair]

The unit movement seems so slow. I almost fell asleep watching this.

[@aslof1069]

Unlike AOE3 AI, the AI's in AOE1, 2 and AOE4 never give up until they are destroyed xD

[@spoconote]

Btw, if you click ur forum with ur scoot, then shift click away, it'll gather auto ur sheeps

[@maxmarch]

scoot

[@spoconote]

@@maxmarch scoot is good

[@SK-uq2wr]

will custom scenarios like castle blood be available on age 4?

[@thegittubaba]

They gonna implement arrow physics? The homing missile arrows really bothers me.

[@Mp57navy]

If you want arrow physics, The Elder Scrolls Series is your game.

[@thegittubaba]

Just implementing aoe2 arrows would be enough.

[@Yprion]

Ok. *But why aren't you yellow?*

[@LeaderOfTheRedNinjas]

Given how Viper breezes through DE Extreme AI, this doesn't mean this AI is bad, or will be easy to beat for normal people

[@joeman123964]

whenever i play with delhi hardest AI always have like 20 swordsmen and like 10 cavalry by 11mins. idk why but this AI in this video looked way easier. i dont get if I'm unlucky or maybe I'm not doing well enough on economy damage....i need to practice morr

[@zyxvutsrqpo8537]

No, the AI has Machine learning. Every game on server against AI making AI stronger. Thats the one of reason why you are not able play off line.

[@TheSchafsviech]

The hardest AI plays smarter than the most custom players.

[@patrickwasp]

How about starting at imperial age?

[@tonled6960]

"Hardest AI got Spanked!" Viper 2021

[@Jon0007723]

Why are the yellow lines *so ugly*? The map boundary and the yellow line shooting from the sky when you click just ruin it for me, they’re so… low res? Jagged? I don’t know but man I wish they’d change them

[@johannesmajamaki2626]

low bitrate on KZbin makes them out to be (even) worse than they really are

[@fakelove7272]

I challenge you to play age 2 but with max speed, instead of the normal one. Let's see how your multitask skills deal with everything getting done faster!

[@Zka91]

like in other new games it is so...blurred!? i want simple, good graphics without unnecessary chichi ...pretty sad but hey, i will test it.

[@theodentherenewed4785]

I couldn't agree more. The graphics should be way simpler. For AoE4, I'll be using a cube mod as soon as there is any. The buildings and units should be easier to distinguish between too. Even Viper was wondering if he encountered longbows or villagers for a moment.

[@carpetperson5685]

yeah that's what i thought when playing the beta :) kinda looked like some faded painting.. no idea what was going on during gameplay

[@johannesmajamaki2626]

@@theodentherenewed4785 in fairness, English vils shoot arrows with a bow. It isn't unreasonable from a readability perspective to get confused for a split second.

[@Progeusz]

@@johannesmajamaki2626 and yet you would never confuse aoe2 villager hunting deer with a bow for a feudal archer or british longbowman unit design is very tough. aoe2 has mastered it but aoe4 failed at it.

[@johannesmajamaki2626]

@@Progeusz Back when I first played age 2, I might well have mixed them up. One shouldn't underestimate familiarity when it comes to recognition. You can tell your mum from a crowd in an instant, yet would probably struggle to identify me even if you had a picture to compare to.

[@matijaslat2100]

i dont like this camera

[@Tsukuykamy]

What about the flashy shiny things every time you right-click? 🤢

[@danicule8671]

What they should do is to use Google AI, as they are doing in sc2

[@jbeenhacked2872]

i see why i suck online ..build order and micro ..I used to do this on EE but am just too lazy now..plus the UI is so much harder to use on aoe ..i did remap it a little but cant fully remap .... to brag a little, in ee on indy tlow i could have an imp out in 2 mins or a gren in your base in 3-4 mins ..i just realized im plying sim city now and not micro units of army lol ...prt is from lack of civs and cost of units ..im on the free trial from xbox lol ...back in ee hayday i was in the symbols cal with ric and yuri thats how good I was at one point ..the good old days

[@XtReMz98]

No GG, hardest AI is kind of a sore loser CONFIRMED!

[@eduardoesquinca50]

i really want to like this game as much as AO2 but i think there is not going to be another AOE like AO2 very soon, and this game looks cool but not doing what AO2 did, its not nostalgia its just AO2 still beat this game in everyway, its hard to beat a master piece, starting for the skins or the way it looks, AO2 looks not as cartoonish as this

[@Thomas.die.Lokomotive]

Yes, the got rid of that annoying town bell 👍👍👍

[@brohvakiindova4452]

It's been a long time I've touched on RTS games but aoe4 looks insanely good, definitely considering to get it for some casual fun

[@gulanhem9495]

At least on the surface it looks good, but let's hope some pro AoE2 players decide to play it competitively and that we also get some talented newcomers to challenge the pro veterans.

[@brohvakiindova4452]

@@gulanhem9495 aoe2 hasn't been seriously competitive for a very long time either it's cool if the community picks up on it, if just for watching fun matches but I have personally no problem with doing the same thing I did back then: playing vs. AI and with friends

[@Progeusz]

@@brohvakiindova4452 aoe2 has always been pretty competitive

[@matipedia_]

Still no global queue on aoe 4 =(

[@sawthemin77]

Is it windows 10 only still ???

[@ElvisKor]

why is zoom only 7/10?

[@carpetperson5685]

why is graphics only 7/10?

[@perrytran9504]

Silver team handled the visuals.

[@mrlds3202]

WHERE IS THE SCORE AM I LOSING MY MIND?!?!?

[@solace6633]

left out intentionally so players can do strats without the score giving everything away

[@mrlds3202]

@@solace6633 thanks for the update

[@jannis9533]

Hello new guys and welcome to the AOE Community :)

[@plain6677]

What is with the echoes in the units voices? It’s weird like playing in a large hall or something

[@johannesmajamaki2626]

zoomed out. unit yelling in an open field

[@niksarass]

Developpers are from company of heroes

[@PandoraKin564]

I really don't like the Art Style. I expected something more in line with AOE 2, AOM, and AOE 3 and instead got a realistic green-brown game like some sort of WWII Call of Duty game. It is really hard to pick out units and formations from the enviroment, might be a sign of colour blindness. I hope it grows on me as I like the mechcanics and the civs involved. This is not a slight agaisnt Viper, just a criticism of the game, you go dude!

[@johannesmajamaki2626]

huh. most people complaining are saying it is too bright and cartoony. this is new.

[@ORy652]

I am with you on this one, the lack of colors in the UI makes it difficult to navigate and pick what you need at a glance.

[@alkostach]

Even the AI doesn't want to play this ugly piece of shit, lulz.

[@Pimb0x]

Cool, but, i keep in AoE 2 DE.

[@aespa690]

AOE2 AI battles again please

[@locutusdiborg88]

is the ia not that good or is it viper who is too strong?

[@quarteratom]

This isn't Age of Empires Online.

[@sycc66]

Have they fixed the AI in aoe 4? I played it in the beta and it was stupidly easy to beat the hardest one... and this is coming from someone who can't consistently beat the hard AI in aoe 2.

[@bahamut149]

Hoang hardest AI vs AoE IV hardest AI.

[@pianodries]

They are still stuck in the feu... second age. Nice gameplay it seems!

[@floriano77]

I don't know man. graphics looks kinda shitty, like AoE3. AoE2 still KING

[@U3Productions0]

It looks worse then AoE2, even Ao3 had a better colour palet. I don't think it's just the graphics it's the entire art style, it looks like dogshit haha

[@Issenthevampire]

The hossbots following you off stream lmao

[@paulchatel2215]

A bit sad that Viper is giving up aoe2 (for now?). This game... it might be good, but honestly I don't feel like it can match aoe2. There was something very special about aoe2, and I think that aoe4 is closer from aoe3, and suffer from a lot of the same flaws. A big issue is that it's hard to distinguish units from each others, example at 7:48

[@_TheBigMac]

hes not giving up aoe2 lol.. just wants to tryout aoe4, what is wrong with that?

[@paulchatel2215]

@@_TheBigMac I hope you're right

[@brohvakiindova4452]

@@paulchatel2215 dude viper is more or less still the best aoe2 player or at least consistently top 5 or something, the only reason I see him quit aoe2 would be due to his wrist problems

[@robertherlihy917]

The map seems smaller than in aoe2. Hmm

[@RogueSecret]

and units larger :P

[@TheNewMaxico]

next time: silver boy vs 3 extreme AI

[@sreeos5978]

The only reason i will buy this game is for the SHEEP.

[@TerenceCattivo]

I dont like aoe4 too much. I realy hope you will keep focus on aoe2. I would really appreciate lots of aoe2 videos on yt until we see us back on twitch one day :)

[@kaiserstritz136]

We can't choose our colour ? Argh this trigger me af damnit. Tired of blue vs red :/

[@jbeenhacked2872]

1v1 is easy ...i can beat hardest 1v1 ..in EE i can do 7 hard on islands but cheat with PT towers ... so imho a pro should be able to do 3-4 or more...for example multi coop 3x3 or 4x4 you have to deal with triples and doubles from all angles ...i would like to see you del with 4-5 armies like that at one time

[@jbeenhacked2872]

its not cheating buy religion is op vs ai on ee like a glitch

[@Cecil_Augus]

Jesus, I can't understand shit in this game, it's all so similar, so boring. Am I the only one that simply think this is a horribly medium game? So disappointed. I really wanna like it, but I am just not able to. We are back in 2005 with this game, holy gosh.

[@gary6549]

AI on aoe4 seems easier than aoe2

[@David-cs9zo]

Aoe2 ai got stronger after monthly patches.They probably are gonna leave aoe2 and work on aoe4.Considering the minimalistic graphics to suite every pc.

[@Smiding]

Too bad i cant watch the stream on my iPad anymore.

[@noyezz3690]

a twitch allert? :D?

[@alejandrochataing5341]

Loved it! Keep it up

[@Guy2Fawkes]

Lovely

[@yuribressler4403]

I really doubt it will be better than age2. But if its better than age3 is already something...

[@ADCFproductions]

oh well... aoe4 looks like crap. Sorry to say, but it does.

[@3dward220]

a prefer the ortographic view

[@LaurenceWilliamson]

Good

[@chatgentil9870]

22 min. Sorry for you viper Edit: thougt it was age2