AoM Retold Patch Review - Greek Nerfs, Atlantean Buffs, and More!

[@4bst4]

Divine damage ignores armor, if I'm not mistaken, so laser croc got a real nice buff

[@JediMentat]

They deserve it. They used to be so good, as all myth units should be. Outside of Centaurs and maybe valks, I don't see many myth unit spams as viable strategies rn

[@ashesofaranea]

@@JediMentat minotaur can be spammed very effectively for a rush if you're not ready for it, game ending really if you catch the enemy unaware. They got nerfed though so that should be less a issue or at least hit with one less minotaur

[@Michael-qm5yc]

What about lazer bear?? 😂

[@toufiq309]

@@JediMentat they werent good they were broken with roc combo

[@EdWuncler3rd]

@@toufiq309RIP old roc

[@Jaguaist]

I am very happy they are taking such a proactive stance on balance in this game :).

[@steroitzz]

Patch is pretty bad tbh. Too MANY Greek nerfs. Odin still broken, Set still broken. Meteor still broken. And a slower Fast Heroic is a hit in the face for Atlanteans. Uranos/Gaia changes not good. The devs are going in the wrong direction.

[@Raven5431]

​@steroitzz idk the thing that sucks with Egyptians is lack luster troops especially in age 2 now they increased age times and Greeks Been just pumping mythical units. Egypt can't get on that same par favor production so priests get spammed out but then they nerf heals by 50% so idk we will see I sapose.

[@tyranidswarmlord9722]

@@Raven5431 It's becoming more All-innish. I guess that's better for viewers iunno. We reaalllly need actual Ra buffs that help solve our problems, not the cute participation 'buffs', like gods above.

[@herotalib9556]

@@steroitzz No offense I dont think you understand the game balance. GREEKS need a lot of NERF and even with all these nerfs they are still top CIVs and have amazing units. Yeah, ODIN and SET are broken but I'm sure they wanted to let them play out for a while more before they nerf them or maybe buff others to compete. Saying dev are going in wrong direction when games been out for few weeks. Also no offense but maybe if IamMagic or Mista said that make more sense. I don't think someone with 800 elo should be judging this fast 11

[@Niklas0369]

I don't like it that all castles got nerfed. Always thought they were a bit weak.

[@LFSM90]

Towers are weak also

[@JohnnyEMatos]

Yeah, that took me by surprise. A random group of units can easily take on a fortress. They also made aging up longer, so aging up to turlte into fortress might not be good. At least TCs are better now and hopefully there will be less games ending in Classic age rushes

[@user-bm7mo2ck6r]

I agree

[@KodQuickshot]

Fr

[@100toeface]

Its great, thats why I stopped playing AOE2 and switched to AOE3, overpowered buildings being used offensively (i.e. tower rush, castle drop).

[@spazghetti7204]

Id like to see the Pharoah unit be under heroes instead of army so he doesnt leave whatever hes boosting when you call your army to one spot

[@threeminkrugs9262]

Facts

[@comradezy]

Yeah the Pharoah is super weird. If you use the option so your boxes wont select civvies with your army, he counts as an eco unit. Yet select military picks him. Egypt makes me practice using "select all idle military" instead of all. Maybe that will help you!

[@tyranidswarmlord9722]

@@comradezy This is too real...

[@JediMentat]

This PLEASE

[@carlspangler9278]

THEY FIXED WALLS I haven't heard anyone talk about this, but before this patch walls just WOULD NOT be placed. It just said "nope" sometimes. They fixed it and it's much closer to wall functionality in AOE4, which is HUGE and i LOVE IT. I think it's actually another atlantean buff because they have the best walls.

[@nicolinrucker5181]

Lots of Hades nerfs lellol... But also Ares Rush is gonna be funny!

[@FitzBro]

Cyclops incoming!!!

[@spikygamer987]

And thank goodness, there's gonna be less Minotaurs stampeding on my base now~

[@natesiress1057]

Not nearly enough for Atlanteans, nothing that gives their mid-game God Powers more impact, practically nothing to help Oranos claw his way into relevancy, and the nerf to early Heroic will do them no favors imo.

[@sionbarzad5371]

exactly my thoughts

[@timnoiro]

I prefer an underreaction to an overreaction tbh. Lets see the outcomes and patch some more, the game just released

[@arjen8469]

As oranos main (i hover around 1200 elo so not the best) it think it could be enough. I'm just very happy that some of the more cheesy strats that were very hard to deal with as atl got nerfed, so even if the civ is not the strongest yet, the losses will be less frustrating. These are mostly the nerf to later god powers and aging up, because punishing people turtling and going fast herioc/mythic was very hard to punish do to lack of strong harrasment units in the second age (no regular cav/turma very weak) and then just getting destroyed by walking woods/meteor/ragnarok/eclipse+ancestors

[@AHaber007]

Centimanus overnerfed, fanatics still meh, their overall tech is still weak…

[@JimCullen]

I think that because the play rates are low, making the buffs to Atty modest is a smart move. There isn't enough data to know how good they were before accurately. The real buff to Atty is the nerfs to the strongest other civs.

[@mr.kittens6747]

meanwhile, I have a 100% lose rate against then because I didnt know how to play against 😂

[@JimCullen]

@@mr.kittens6747 yeah it's one of the things about this game compared to aoe2 of aoe4. You really have to learn about all the civs to know how to counter them. For the Atlanteans, you can deny them early favor by harassing their oracles. Even weak attacks from the Greek kataskapos scout, or from Archaic Age Norse berserks are enough to disrupt oracle line of sight and favor. The other thing of note is that they don't get regular cavalry or archers until Heroic Age. In Classical they only have counter units (apart from their infantry), so learning what their counters are can give you a big leg up.

[@grottoguru6473]

I love the wood change. In most my games I was running out of wood and was going to switch to Gaia just because of the infinite wood haha Also: Fuck Greeks, glad for the nerfs 😂 Also, Also: Thank god mediterranean is gone

[@goochipoochie]

Food is infinite (farm+boats) Gold is infinite (caravans) You can just buy wood in market

[@grottoguru6473]

@@goochipoochie I was already aware, that's not quite the point

[@user-bm7mo2ck6r]

Yeah wood goes away way too fast

[@tempy2440]

20:14 ish. Crush -> divine means they're better vs everything. Crush has a resistance percent. Divine does not

[@user-iq6ff4xf3e]

As a Hades main, I think these nerfs are not enough. They focused on aggresive play but I find it the strongest while turtling. Castle nerfs suck all around though imo, they were weak enough as they were.

[@RYUcaEU]

they giga nerfed hades/greeks while Odin and Set (highest wr in top 100) were basically untouched. idk man

[@steroitzz]

Patch is pretty bad tbh. Too MANY Greek nerfs. Odin still broken, Set still broken. Meteor still broken. And a slower Fast Heroic is a hit in the face for Atlanteans. Uranos/Gaia changes not good. The devs are going in the wrong direction.

[@IrishRepoMan]

Divine means ignores all armour.

[@100toeface]

I always pick the weakest civs, that way when I win I know its from what I did not picking the strongest civ. And also, mirror matches are lame, so if I pick a weak civ, chances are that won't happen either. Finally, I can figure out how to make them 'better'. That's why I played Gaia in Extended Edition and why I'm playing it in Retold also. I also hate water, that's a cool trick, time shift the dock!

[@SpaceWitch144]

Strangely I like to play underdogs too. And hate mirror matches also.

[@sanethoughtspreader]

I love the Vidar text. They've such good humour. Brilliant! ❤

[@Adribird]

They should not have made a long balance patch, but a superficial one that adjusts something and more fixes. There are balance changes that can be understood if the patch was made more than a week ago, but there is a certain outdatedness.

[@uncledrake6606]

Villagers CAN attack move if you leave the controls as default (Meaning the attack move stays bound to spacebar). They always could btw, it's just that pro players pretty much all changed the hotkeys to a-click, which doesn't work with vils.

[@Fenrys-5555]

thx for the update :) quite difficult to understand sometime (for my level of english) but nice to hear, and i am a fan of gaia in this game even if i dont play her well^^ so happy to see a buf yeah (i always look for "beautifull" in a game, and have a tendance to play strategy game like simcity to create a proper city xD

[@spazghetti7204]

In the legacy game locust swarm wasn't used to damage units it was used to stop a farm boom. You're supposed to cast it over a large area of farms. I was surprised it had any offensive use when I saw it in retold. The buff should be increased damage against villagers and farms and then decrease the damage against military units

[@comradezy]

Wasn't it a big aoe in classic instead of this skinny line? It seems so small now.

[@DrFrosthand]

@@comradezy I believe that it created a number of small, moving aoes (akin to tornados) that moved after farms/villagers. The new wave-style movement of the locusts just causes them to move on from targets before doing enough damage to kill them, I think. Making the wave a bit longer should help with the 'doesn't kill anything' issue Locust Swarm has.

[@mistyman4820]

Bout time, they nerfed Hades. Disgustingly strong

[@crisshardy]

at wich range you play? I mean Odin, Loki, Gaia and Set were the top tiers, had better WR than Hades on high level play.

[@amphiprionoccelaris5198]

@@crisshardy Gaia is bottom tier and Loki pretty weak as well

[@engetsuren1702]

​@@crisshardythats not right. Set, Hades, and Odin had the highest win rate by far

[@steroitzz]

Patch is pretty bad tbh. Too MANY Greek nerfs. Odin still broken, Set still broken. Meteor still broken. And a slower Fast Heroic is a hit in the face for Atlanteans. Uranos/Gaia changes not good. The devs are going in the wrong direction.

[@crisshardy]

Gala is not bottom tier, she has the lowest pick rate, buy abone 50% winrate, so she top tier on ladder.

[@dudeguybro]

10 Divine damage for the petsobek will ignore any armor when fighting against units. Not sure how that translates against buildings, though? Maybe stays the same (10 crush)?

[@phalylim9504]

Divine damage = Pure dmg, it does that much to any armor type regardless of percentage, so that is a buff for the crocies. It means it can now hurt myth and hero units much better and still do well on buildings since it's pure dmg. Also - LEAVE ODIN ALONE! haha

[@dudeguybro]

@@phalylim9504 yeah I was thinking it would stay the same towards buildings and be a buff everywhere else. Nice

[@acanthophis_]

My boys Atlanteans were cool, now they are cool and better than before

[@bobbyh1721]

I’d like for the multiplayer lobby system to not be absolute trash.

[@AlexanderMartinez-kd7cz]

they really put oranos in the patch just to remind us why he's low tier lol

[@hanzethetickler1137]

All they had to do to buff atllanteans is to let them have contarious in classical. Three lack of cav means the opponent is so much more co fortable

[@njmfff]

lol at random nerf at Chimera, which is already weak for it's cost and tier, but no nerf to stupid Manticores that are perfectly balanced.

[@mammothpage6932]

Controller on xbox here. The biggest change for me is being able to click things in the fog. Before i had to send a hero to the relic, and once the units los could see the relic, then i could task them to pick it up. Or like with atlanteans, i had to go to the gold pile, then click the pile. Just felt like a nuisance

[@Raven5431]

Ah dam. Meteor was actually what made me pick over the human soldier buffs of the other one since it did a little bit more than a tornado. Now i might just end up switching.

[@Jaguaist]

Doesn't Divine damage just mean it's not resisted, so it can't be reduced below 10. That's a nice buff for Petsobek.

[@FitzBro]

Basically a buff against units and nerf against buildings, but a good buff overall

[@Jaguaist]

@@FitzBro Yeah they are not good building takers by themselves anyway, so mostly a buff.

[@phalylim9504]

@@Jaguaist Divine damage = Pure dmg, it does that much to any armor type regardless of percentage, so that is a buff for the crocies. It means it can now hurt myth and hero units much better and still do well on buildings since it's pure dmg.

[@wooraider1075]

@@FitzBro It's not a nerf vs buildings, it's a small buff. Divine damage will do more damage because crush damage is partially resisted by a building's crush resistance. It's just more of a buff vs enemies who have high crush armor!

[@enigmatics69]

Give gaia her god power blocking ability back 😭😭

[@elpistachio]

Gaia didn't have a god power blocking ability, but he lush did stop enemy buildings from being built upon it. The Hesperides Tree from Theia did gets its god power ability removed however.

[@enigmatics69]

@elpistachio this is true looks like I misremembered her ability, but the buff either way would still help her

[@graemebloodworth8991]

Did they tweak the "long way from home" campaign mission at all? From what I have played so far that one was Significantly more difficult even on moderate difficulty

[@MrMasterman20]

Yeah the patch says it's significantly tweaked

[@timwhitman3207]

I don't always push my code, but when I do, I push it on Friday afternoon. (I'm JK. Due to Microsoft certification process, this code was likely finalized and pushed days ago, it's just funny that this is when it finally deployed.)

[@FitzBro]

The golden rule

[@Immortalits]

Divine damage is essentially true damage, jus ignores 100% armor

[@Jaguaist]

How would you nerf Odin since you mentioned it probably deserved some targeted nerfs?

[@SpaceWitch144]

Nerf his own abilities, like hp regen, or give only 1 crow.

[@sqwbamaus2525]

@@SpaceWitch144 He gets 2 Crows because in the lore he uses his 2 crows to scout the realms for him. So leave the Crows brah.

[@SpaceWitch144]

@@sqwbamaus2525 nah, other of these two is just elsewhere, doing its buisness)

[@aantony2001]

General pronunciation tip (because you were wondering about "Chimera"): In all Greek words the "ch" is pronounced like a "k", like in "character", not like in "cheese". I don't think there happens to be a counterexample in any of the foreign words in this game, even the non-Greek ones.

[@user-bm7mo2ck6r]

Not enough for my Gaia 😢

[@Bassario]

You need to consider the contrast too, sure the atlantean buffs were a bit insignificant but at the same time the greeks and the norse got hit hard by nerfs like you said so those things in unison will provide greater swing. Gaia vs Hades wont look the same at all.

[@ramikassar]

So Ra's priests can empower monuments so it empower all the buildings in it's radius?

[@comradezy]

I'm 95% sure only the pharaoh can do the monument aoe empower but their priests can empower any single building at 70% the boost of the pharaoh.

[@tyranidswarmlord9722]

No, Priests are the same and unchanged. They can only empower monuments normally Only the Pharaoh can do that. Or Pharaohs if for some miracle you reach Mythic and go Osiris.

[@Brutik5]

Isn't Wololo like official tournament? I am not fan of them dropping patch day before it either.

[@SurvivorFo]

are they going to fix the multiplayer browser ever

[@peterblood8074]

Anyone else completely unable to play after update? Even tried a clean reinstall and game just desyncs every time I play an online match. It kicks everyone in the lobby too

[@giorgikochuashvili3891]

Man the game crashed on me so many times on Xbox like I got frustrated. Hopefully they fixed crash and freezes

[@peterblood8074]

It got worse for me and my buddies

[@AMDGBananaBen]

Overall a good patch, I am very suprised Centaurs and Hippeus were not touched at all (Cyclops spam might be real now though with the reduced cost haha). The Atlantean buffs are a step in the right direction, looks like they're playing it very safe by only giving more stat buffs in case it gets out of hand but I still would like to see some adjustments to Leto and Carnivora getting nerfed is very unfortunate since it's main use is to stop that second TC or be an annoyance mid fight. Also note how Kronos wasn't touched at all, just as well since he's imo the strongest pick for Atlanteans currently =)

[@Mathilde_Moksha_333]

I like using the carnivora to force idle time on villagers at gold mines for instance, and also it's one more thing for My opponent to juggle 🤔 They'll kill a few villagers less now in that use case, but they'll still force plenty of idle time!

[@AMDGBananaBen]

@@Mathilde_Moksha_333 Good idea! I think it's one of Gaia's better God Powers but getting nerfs to an already weaker than average pantheon feels bad haha

[@Mathilde_Moksha_333]

@@AMDGBananaBen Hmmm 🤔 I've found that the Gaia Forest is a very precious defensive tool in the first ten minutes of the game as You prepare Your eco boom with gaia, it's helped Me a lot to make choke points, I can usually cast it at least three time by the time an enemy shows up. I also upgrade My towers around 4-5 minutes in and combined with the chokepoints, it's been very good defense so far! I'm not high up in the ladder though so I can't say how it compares in the later game. Gaia's got four great god powers in My experience 🤔 Traitor is very nice to get an enemy's myth unit on My side (a couple times I used it on a single villager that was building a TC to stop/delay the TC from being built! even if there are multiple villagers building it, You can traitorize a single one and start harassing the others, at the very least it's a good distraction for Your opponent to manage) and Implosion can deal a tremendous economic blow to an enemy by wiping out a whole bunch of villagers (best use case being bang on a TC surrounded with farms and villagers! I run in with 2-4 contarius sent on a suicide mission and pop the Implosion in the middle 😂) That's pretty much a game over for the opponent by that point so long as You're not scraping by Yourself

[@AMDGBananaBen]

@@Mathilde_Moksha_333 Gaia Forest is, pardon the pun, growing on me haha Amazing that you also thought of using it to make chokepoints like me, it's so cheap too so easily useable early game. I've been experimenting with selling some of the excess wood in Age 2 to boom faster or get a second TC up earlier =)

[@Mathilde_Moksha_333]

@@AMDGBananaBen I loooooove puns like these 🤗☀Yesss!! Unlike walls or buildings, units can't destroy gaia forests! Sending villagers would be suicide and take ages (well, ages, haha 😂😂) to cut them down anyway, and forest fire is limited to one minor god from the norse pantheon 🤔 So they're essentially indestructible walls! I just did a match earlier today where the gaia forests helped Me a ton to defend against a minotaur rush. I had 5-6 gaia forests around My starting TC by the end of the game when I won 😂 Then the towers help mow down enemy forces, which is helped by the chokepoints! The wood can definitely be very helpful on water maps too! I've been considering building "passageways" across the map with economic guilds, this way I can have the lush spread around the map, with the 15% bonus speed on lush from the Channels tech, it helps a lot during defense and also for retreat 🤔 Might have to keep a villager or two close to danger to build those, but might also be worth the risk!

[@nobieone3747]

How can i watch the tournament an is there a time zone map. From Australia

[@fullmetalalkami6466]

I want this game pretty badly, have no interest in Multiplayer - is it worth it for the single player?

[@KirkMillerShow]

so much for epic sieges guess pros will only ever occasionally use a wooden wall to block off their markets in this game half the time they dont even bother upgrading their towers

[@isaacmason4570]

As a controller player this update is really nice, I’ve had many issues where I’m in a building menu training units when I notice I’m getting raided. Normally you’d click B to get out of that menu but sometimes it just would refuse to work and you’d just have to let vills die while you cry 😭😂

[@FitzBro]

That's great to hear! Let me know what other controller change have helped you with this patch.

[@solrac3666]

@@FitzBroa fix to control groups would really help us, control groups like we have in age4 would really be a massive boost for us.

[@spazghetti7204]

Yea that or you hit B to cancel out of the wheel and it cancels your units that are training as you spam it trying to quickly scroll over to where the action is

[@mr.kittens6747]

in case you have a laptop, AoM is playable with m/kb through cloud

[@isaacmason4570]

@@spazghetti7204 this right here bro 😭😂

[@eget4144]

Set and odin will dominate

[@zamooti4505]

You missed a couple of buffs to Oranos there, but nothing too major

[@FengRaiCho]

Pretty disappointed to see a lot of nerfs. Instead I think they should have buffed anything lagging behind with pretty much no nerfs unless extremely needed

[@threeminkrugs9262]

Dude stuff is OP nerfs are OK

[@crisshardy]

exactly this, this whole patch its one of the worst patch ive ever seen on any game I played last 20 years

[@RYUcaEU]

some nerfs were completely pointless and unnecessary, for example the increased Durantion for both heroic and mythic. Like wtf?? avg ladder gameplay strategy was already too stalled on micro-rush/all-ins to finish the game asap, now with this change they will force even more this shit. I can understand some needed nerfs, but this one was a total mess

[@micaiahhunt9854]

It means the petsobek is less good against buildings but better against everything else

[@FitzBro]

I think a good buff, because they already sucked against buildings lol

[@jasonsmith1950]

Why would they be worse against buildings? I don't think anything has armor against divine damage (and while buildings don't have much crush armor, they do still have a little).

[@mantasgedgaudas6787]

​@@jasonsmith1950 divine damage is pure damage, which no units/buildings have resistance to

[@comradezy]

It's still also better against buildings, albeit not massively so. Pretty dope buff against everything.

[@tyranidswarmlord9722]

Ra has cute 'oh hey we buffed you but the buffs aren't helping solve your problems'-buffs Then smacked us in the face with the Heroic upgrade nerf. Like fck off game.

[@alexstoyo7850]

In the Campaign I wish that it would leave it base old style in the game.

[@DeimosEvoLution]

divine = true damage

[@JacoDeltaco]

I personaly think there was room for more buff

[@Raven5431]

Roc never going to be used unless your on a map surrounded by trees or water and need to island hop

[@alcerscruro6107]

For some fucking reason, me and some other players can't move the units in the editor. If you press test then yes, the game turns normal, but when you return back to edit we cant move them again.

[@kcw1879]

I do not think the age up times are too impactful. They need to be 30 seconds more and1 minute more.

[@mehmetozturk771]

Only change it needed was a fix to lobbies multiplayer lobby lag etc. literally inviting friends to lobby feels like there is 1000000ms lag, sometimes they dont even get invites, I guess they just rented a poor server thinking everyone will leave the game

[@phalylim9504]

Divine damage = Pure dmg, it does that much to any armor type regardless of percentage, so that is a buff for the crocies. It means it can now hurt myth and hero units much better and still do well on buildings since it's pure dmg. Also - LEAVE ODIN ALONE! haha

[@ryani.7027]

The devs really hate atlanteans and egyptians by massively nerfing them, while extemely buffing Greeks and Norse..In the old AOM, it was really rock paper scissors. When it comes down to it in the late game, The Greeks were superior againsts the Norse, and slighlty against the Egyptians, while the Atlanteans checked the Greeks via their Fanatic and Contarius hero spam. The Atlanteans have always been a slow starting civ and can be beaten by rush factions early such as the Norse..B.S

[@Ewerboweski]

the roc update is for the story mode hahah

[@FitzBro]

lmao

[@MrMasterman20]

With the croc buff it might be possible to do some harass right after age up. Although it feels really clunky to land so that's the thing they really need to fix in my opinion to make it potentially useful

[@levifoote7786]

As an xbox player who played many many years ago on pc controller is a lot slower to get things done and yeah it really sucks getting stomped by keyboard and mouse players in fights i shouldve won but couldnt manage fast enough

[@Googch5585]

most best real game :D

[@rogmar88]

Real talk, how in the world do people play this game with a controller? I just can't see being able to play an RTS competitively without a keyboard

[@crisshardy]

Update. After a complete day playing ladder and legendario IA, the game is worst than ever. The meta is Rush as Norse or build defensive against Norse, and the fact that Hades got nerf, more Norse Rush are spamming multiplayer...

[@oldsirriddler6300]

Yeah, you can attack with villagers, but they are not very good at it

[@BeardedZasso]

Personally, you referring to "down in the comments" what feels like almost every other sentence at some point makes me just want to find a different channel. I understand it helps YT algorithms and interactions, but I hope you manage to find a better balance, or a better way to do it in the future.

[@blooodbat007]

Does anyone at all understand the Gastraphetoros nerf? I mean, the unit was literally worthless and now it's actually a joke stat wise. Why would you ever spend 100 wood and 60 gold on that?

[@Mathilde_Moksha_333]

It can outrange buildings and is very strong against buildings. I don't have the stats in mind but I don't think this nerfs its damage against buildings much, mostly against other units. All three unique fortress units from the greeks have a STRONG bonus against buildings, though the gastraphetoros are the only one of the three to be ranged!

[@ManchmalGaming]

Mediterranean gone! 🤩

[@Spiror]

Rip greeks 😊😊

[@Raven5431]

Not going to like that priests lose 50% healing. Troops not as good and greeks can slam out a lot of mythical units the egyptians cannot get that level of divine power.

[@RYUcaEU]

Odin was S+ tier and still untouched wtf 💀

[@steroitzz]

Patch is pretty bad tbh. Too MANY Greek nerfs. Odin still broken, Set still broken. Meteor still broken. And a slower Fast Heroic is a hit in the face for Atlanteans. Uranos/Gaia changes not good. The devs are dumb

[@The_Cats_Pajamas]

Not a big fan of this patch on first look, lots of feast or famine.

[@frostynugs4206]

Bruh patch broke the game

[@steroitzz]

Patch is pretty bad tbh. Too MANY Greek nerfs. Odin still broken, Set still broken. Meteor still broken. And a slower Fast Heroic is a hit in the face for Atlanteans. Uranos/Gaia changes not good. The devs are going in the wrong direction.

[@OSU2010]

How they still going to nerf Atlanteans when they have the lowest win rate. They literally didn’t buff shit and the Devs are complete idiots

[@veganism_is_superior]

more greek nerfs. it is not enough

[@denize7166]

lol, already got nerfed to the ground

[@veganism_is_superior]

@@denize7166 nah

[@RYUcaEU]

they giga nerfed them lmao

[@tyranidswarmlord9722]

Poseidon dodged them so should be fine. Hades reallly needed to get knocked down a peg. The weird part is Odin dodging the nerfbat.

[@Spiror]

Lol no…..they are fine, also chimera is expensive and weak 😢😢 despite his good aoe dps

[@crisshardy]

Just played some game for TEST THE "BALANCE" against CPU Legendary 1v1. I cant find a way to win against Loki or Odin, this balance is absurd. Before the balances, each Civ had a chance vs the Norse rush, the only way its win a Mirror match and it becomes a thing of who has the best map on his side. I was expecting them buffing some minos gods and units, instead of nerfing the thins that were most played, for example Hades, had a good pick rate, because he stopped Rush, and Rush is the meta on Ladder, so ¿Whats the point nerfing the anti meta things? They just broke thos freakiong game, trust me, and return to this comment later, the game is gonna be full rush and boring, player s doing and replicating the exact same strats, most of time Nordics. If someone wants to bet, im open to it, ill bet my entire life savings if this game doesnt become the exact same I said, a broken game full of rush and nordics.

[@veganism_is_superior]

nordics are not op. they get rushed by greeks

[@Nozdormu1982]

WAs thinking about buying this game, but seeing the mindset of nerfing I don't like it at all :/

[@crisshardy]

Dont buy it, game is broken at this point. Its all Norse vs Norse and the win condition is just whoi gets the better map and who can age up quickly, thats all. Before the patch it were gos like Hades who had a good defense vs Nordic rush, or Set who can put pressure, but them got nerfed

[@comradezy]

Did you not see all the buffs here too? The game is great. There simply is not enough data yet, and everyone is gravitating towards the "best" gods. The disparity in win rates is likely not very high at all.

[@houstonclinch585]

@@crisshardynot even remotely broken, in great condition for a new release. I play ranked people use different gods…you’re just spewing nonsense because you probably suck

[@RYUcaEU]

​@@crisshardybro did u even read the patch notes? 😂

[@redcastlefan]

i hate this. now the nerds come and balance all the fun out of the game. stop trying to make every game ever e-sport approved.

[@lennic]

some people want to actually have a chance of winning as atlantean vs odin or hades, instead of just getting early rushed outta the game by people that are worse than you at the game (they dont even micro just spam specific units and a click and it works half the time too)

[@redcastlefan]

@@lennic what a nerd reply 🤓. The civs are supposed to have pluses and minuses why keep shaving off anything that's different until they play the exact same ? If you want a fair balanced environment go play chess.

[@lennic]

@@redcastlefan chess doesn't have 12 playable sets of pieces a game of this scale needs SOME balancing, look at warcraft 3 the fun whacky RTS, still got balancing so often, and back in the day too

[@redcastlefan]

@@lennic the pieces play differently they should release a hotfix the queen is OP

[@KOSOVOisSERBIA222]

petrobols dmg vs ships buffed, most stupid change I saw in history of game