Apache vs Kamov vs Hind: Which Is The Best Ground Attack Helicopter? | DCS

[@charlietheunicorn5383]

Watching the extremely low passes during the durability portion of this outstanding set of tests, got me to thinking..... Could GR try to recreate the Rambo 3 Tank vs Helicopter scene? Hind vs T72 I believe.

[@grimreapers]

Enjoy: kzbin.info/www/bejne/m5CynYuZnbytbKM

[@shane99ca]

A fully loaded MI-24 weighs nearly twelve tonnes, and it would be moving at great speed compared with the tank. At the least, that kind of impact would knock the tank over, and might even rip the turret off. Of course, the MI-24 would be a little the worse for wear, too...

[@teekayfourtwoone4686]

I remember way back, flying an Apache on the C-64 in "Gunship". When targets were distant and relatively close to one another, I could launch a few hellfires a few seconds apart, and switch the laser between targets as they got taken out. Boom! Boom! Boom! Saved a lot of time.

[@christopherbarran]

I used to do the same. Launch and then target. That was one of my favourite games ever.

[@johanj3674]

Infantry. How many dots was that? 10? 20? Loved that game. Wasn't good at it though.

[@danielhill3068]

Yes that is the LOAL Lock on after Launch profile which when rippled properly works but is not yet fully implmented here yet. The idea being that you can still do it though by having one apache targeting as well as your apache lasing another target with Hellfires using different Lasing Codes..

[@teekayfourtwoone4686]

@@johanj3674 I was pretty good at it (played way too much!). You could cheese a purple heart out of it if you flew in very fast and low to land at your base without entering the proper countersign. The idea being to be right on top of the helipad when the AAA lit you up. Free purple heart medal.

[@AudieHolland]

When I replayed this game a few years ago on an emulator, I found that using FFARs for most soft targets was just fine. Only you just needed to be stationary and below their field of vision, then pop up, target and fire one or two pairs. From what I have seen in documentaries and trying out the different approaches, I find that combat chopper tactics are a lot more static then one would think. I had fun flying low and fast throughout an enemy tank column too, blasting targets left and right with my cannon. But in reality they never do that because a random heavy machinegun round or even tank round may put you out of action very quickly. Unfortunately, combat choppers weren't meant to just plow through enemy targets at full speed, hoping they wouldn't get hit by a manpad or something even bigger. Chopper warfare is more akin to WW2 submarine warfare, in my opinion. Sneaky sneak, pop up (up periscope), assess, attack or get down quickly again, sneak around some more... Destroying enemy tanks/vehicles with Hellfires was impossible unless you had destroyed the enemy's AAA because the game didn't feature infantry-operated laser designation targeting so if you stuck around for a few seconds too long, a Shilka or SAM would surely get you. And just like in a WW2 submarine, mopping up defenseless enemies (cargo ships and tankers or tanks and BMPs) after killing their escorts/AAA was just plain fun.

[@ryanpayne7707]

23:21: Its probably faster due to it being a contrarotating design. It has two rotors providing thrust/lift compared to one and does not have a tail rotor adding to drag. 26:00: When you fly low enough that an infantryman ends up putting HIS face into your Shakval.

[@CakePrincessCelestia]

The 24 should be faster though... but that's RBS Danger Zone :D

[@stevenvandenbosch6068]

Alledgedly Soviet crews in Afghanistan carried reloads in the Hind hold so they wouldn't have to go all the way back to base. That's possibly a big benefit that neither the Ka or AH have.

[@canniballistic555]

Less a benefit, more a liability, hence they never picked up that battlefield refit to incorporate into official designs.

[@Pussilover56]

There were no "Kamovs " in Afghanistan. There were "Mils".

[@stevenvandenbosch6068]

@@Pussilover56 who said anything about kamovs?

[@kornstat3253]

BS. Mi24s can barely lift off with a full load in real life at sealevel. No ways they took extra crew, tools and amo to spotland in the middle of hostile teritory at altitude to re-arm. They might have ferried ammo to a forward base/farp but theres mi8 to do that.

[@canniballistic555]

@@kornstat3253 You dunno what youre talking about, and you obviously cant be bothered reading the other comments, they did take extra rockets in Afghanistan, and they removed the gutted the entire cargo area to be able to do it, look it up.

[@Mrdoughlicious]

I agree with a lot of this. The vikhrs are lackluster for armor but fine for lightly armored vehicles. The Shark is also really easy to use for various ground attack strategies, and it's also super fast, whereas I've been having a ton of difficulty with effectively using the apache. Dont have the Hind so I can't speak on that too much. I was suprised the Kamov was as survivable as it was, but I think that comes down to the pilot skill more than the capabilities of the aircraft itself.

[@mewXD-mn6ec]

Yeah, the shark was surprisingly weak… it has more armour than the ka-52 and still dies so easily.. weird bro. I mean the they can fly with 1 engine and without tail!!

[@iyhan1987]

I own all of them and I like each one. They are different, but each of them really deserve some love

[@JAEUFM]

Interesting comparison, but, the biggest deciding factor is which helicopter has the best wind screen wiper system.

[@CakePrincessCelestia]

So true :)

[@grimreapers]

Good comment.

[@jameshewitt8828]

This is exactly what I asked for. Outstanding buddy. Also the U boat video was great, be cool to get a quick tour of the bridge to explain the basics

[@grimreapers]

At your service as ever.

[@danieldunlap4077]

I prefer the Apache just because when I was stationed at camp taji in 2009 working at the detention facility there, an Apache was always overhead providing air cover and reconnaissance.

[@blackhatch46]

Well obviously you didnt have a Ka50 or Mi24 doing that...

[@northroad1]

That was right next to the farp iirc

[@danieldunlap4077]

@@northroad1 Not sure. Then again the only time I really travel around base was to go from my CHU to the really big DFAC. I do remember that it was kind of near where the predator drones were launched from. Always passed by there and saw them getting prepped for flight on my day off on the bus. If that's the area you're talking about, then yes.

[@northroad1]

@@danieldunlap4077 yeah that was the north end of the flight line area, noisy predators and Iraqi helos. If you ever went further down the road heading to detention to the left was the ammo dump, and the next left took you to the farp. My shop had a humvee on the first tour, and one of those 4 door Nissan pickups the second tour, so I was lucky and got to drive all over Taji, even the Iraqi side a couple times. 05-06 08-09 4th CAB

[@danieldunlap4077]

@@northroad1 Iraqi freedom 2003, VFA-195 aboard the USS Kitty Hawk; Navy Provisional Detainee Battalion Ramadi 3, 09-10'.

[@numbersletters3886]

Makes sense, the Apache was designed primarily as a Tank Killer

[@imaz7210]

Definitely going to have to revisit this once the Apache gets all the other capabilities.

[@adamsmith2944]

These aren't remotely current KAs or hinds though

[@lucky_luke4785]

@@adamsmith2944 neither is the apache

[@paulharrison2325]

@@adamsmith2944 based on what we are seeing in Russia, they seem pretty up to date!

[@paulharrison2325]

Ukraine, not Russia, it won’t let me edit properly

[@adamsmith2944]

@@paulharrison2325 what are you seeing? We get pretty vague short footage of take off, firing and landing, that's it

[@ToolTimeTabor]

Beam riders are inherently disadvantaged by direct flight. HELLFIRE, Javelin and other systems use diving tactics.

[@connorparks1130]

You should do the first two tests again but have the ground units be able to shoot back, then it's a better test of deciding to either get in close or stay further back.

[@mikejulien2330]

I believe Ka-50 is faster cause counter rotating blades … edit: from this point on was wrong. See reply for actual reason:P

[@MyLonewolf25]

It’s not due to it canceling torque. It’s due do loss of lift from the retreating blade on one side at high speed. But when you have two counter rotating rotors it cancels out

[@mikejulien2330]

@@MyLonewolf25 right! Thanks for correcting!

[@Maeyanie]

It's not surprising that the Hellfire is doing better than the Vikhr, as the latter was mainly designed to be cost-effective... you can fire 4 of them for roughly the same price as one Hellfire. But, except for a couple of your campaigns, that doesn't generally matter in DCS. Maybe it will if/when the whole RTS campaign thing comes out, that could change the balance quite a bit.

[@92HazelMocha]

Well if we're splitting hairs both the Vikhr and the Hellfire should be able to frontally pen any mbt regardless of the angle. They're both tandem heat warheads with incredible penetration, but the real advantage of the hellfire is that the high angle of attack via top attack/lob mode dramatically increases the size of the target relative to the missile which gives a much higher hit probability especially on moving targets. This also isn't super applicable in DCS right now though as most targets are static or just moving slowly down a road, if we did get features to make combined arms more RTS like, this would be a huge advantage.

[@thejackal5099]

I'd like to see target acquisition ability to be taken into account. The Apache with its radar and FLIR should have a clear advantage but how much of a difference does it really make to skilled drivers with good eyes?

[@orlock20]

The real radars have problems with ghosting even without electronic warfare. I wonder If that will be included in DCS.

[@aerotorc]

Well it’s not going to make a difference on targets out in the open, but yes - at night and against targets in built up environments the Apache should have a clear advantage with the second crew member doing the target acquisition!

[@canniballistic555]

Would think flying lower would actually be worse, because most of the armour is on the front and bottom, and the engines, the only thing you really need to worry about from small arms fire here, are going to be more easily hit as more of the enemies have line of sight to them at such a low angle.

[@84ceasar]

Monkey for life.... Insane pilot skill. Great job on missions and how you put the test. It was lot of fun to watch. Thank U for content.

[@JaittPenguin]

Loving you guys running through all these scenarios. fun and informative. tThanks to you and the team

[@grimreapers]

Pleasure Barry.

[@wilson2455]

Hi Cap. Still loving the YT videos. For those of us who don't have all the DCS 'bells & whistles' (eg Winwing joysticks, throttles, etc.), is it possible to do a split-screen of 1. a real human Grim Reaper flying a helo/fighter/warbird, whilst simultaneously, 2. showing DCS world & the aircraft flying. Think it would make a great YT post, plus one of you gets to show off their superb flying skills 😉

[@Scotthalihan]

Hmmm, Sock, sounds like right up your alley

[@grimreapers]

This type of thing? kzbin.info/www/bejne/kHK0dJ17lpakd5I

[@Shrike200]

Ripple fired radar guided Hellfires, or even just IAT with MTT (ie. all features that are missing from early access, and George in his current state really struggles with manual tracking) Apaches would shred this test, not even a contest.

[@Wayoutthere]

The Ka50 can riple fire too with manual lasing and experienced pilots.. It's more a missile effectiveness (with the T80's) test really, where the hellfire wins. From what I've seen in KA50 vids Apache pilots have a lot of catching up to do to come close to the murderrate of the KA50. Dogfighting also is about even (without missiles) because the KA50 is more stable in hover and can hide better without fighting the anti-torque pedals.

[@absolutezero6423]

So many variables in this test. What it lacked in accuracy it made up for it with entertainment value.

[@lowtdave]

Those infantry were the best marksman in the world. They lit those choppers up everytime they came through.

[@cmdrhudson]

Wait until the FCR and the K-Hellfire comes out. Then the Apache is unbeatable in terms of kills per second-

[@jamesrothwell8693]

I like flying the Hind the most but yeah I can see why on a single sortie the Apache can do the most damage with that many Hellfires.

[@Bradygoat6390]

Got a good group of friends there Cap . Thanks for all the content and much love from CT

[@rackin5837]

I would like to see this re-ran with all the updates over the last two years.

[@samanazimi5087]

Remember that winwing technology is your ultimate hardware solution :) 91

[@paez4779]

My favorite is the Apache and I think if they just went with rockets and gun they would have done better.. but I have a soft spot for the KA-50 so I'm happy with this vid.

[@kellymcguire1385]

You'll have to re-do this when the FCR system is added. Lasing always takes longer.

[@grimreapers]

agree

[@sfertonoc]

In real life the Apache has hellfires only on the right stub wing all the way out because the missile thruster damages the tail rotor.

[@danieldevadas6481]

I would like to point out the Apache's LOAL is designed to allow you to have multiple missiles in the air, so even if you're playing it safe you can launch in 10 second intervals basically and continue following the pattern, because the Hellfire only needs the final 10s to hit its target

[@paraxone]

once i saw two of this beasts. i was in near Ghazni Province and two polish mi 24 flew past us so close that i felt evrey vibrations on my skin. that is something out of this world. so much power and beauty like an ancient evil , like Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse in one helicopter

[@cron1807]

I would say I like the KA-50 because although there is a massive load on the pilot, one player can use it just as well as two

[@rickjames18]

Great test on DCS but in real life I've seen the Apache absolutely dominate the anti-personnel role. The Apache is known for sitting back and ripping insurgents to pieces during night attacks. But I have no idea how the Kamoz would do in real life. I think it may be better on paper but no idea how they would compare.

[@AJPMUSIC_OFFICIAL]

The Apache is a champion for UK forces in Afghan.

[@deutschlender89]

Is there any possibility to make a video about the Mil Mi-28?

[@grimreapers]

Sadly not in game yet.

[@CIDRobT]

Canister munitions work amazingly on the russian helos. Golden opportunity missed on infantry and mtlb

[@plushiie_]

Was the ka50 getting the blackshark III this year?

[@grimreapers]

yes

[@jeffmorton9220]

The conclusions I've come to for the American attack helicopter capabilities (future models) are: 1. Fire and forget missile system. 2. Increased carrying capacity of laser guided fire and forget AT missiles. 3. Fast rearming missile "magazines". 4. More accurate chain gun targeting system, with 3-round burst limitation choices. 5. Improved low level attack strategies for both day and night operations. 6. Improved IR decoys... fewer, if necessary, but maybe 2X or 3X bigger/hotter.

[@jordanmartinez2432]

The gun on the Kamov sounds AWESOME!!!!!

[@CakePrincessCelestia]

NGL, when I recently watched that Ka-52 footage from the ongoing events, I thought I could just close my eyes and mistake it for DCS footage. ED pretty much nailed the audio.

[@FlavourlessLife]

Ka-50 cannon puts the AH-64 gun to shame. You can use it to snipe soft-medium armored targets at 3 km with ease.

[@LoneWolf051]

Ive seen Apache's accurately engage vehicular targets at that range a number of times with their 30mms, pretty easy range if you're skilled at it

[@wongarnold2879]

Best tip for the ka50 , turn on manual weapons mode and turn on aa mode for vikhirs . You can snipe ah74 from 9k away

[@theblackopsgamer9837]

Love the videos!!!

[@timblack6422]

It’s a great day!

[@brunotvrs]

Nice and fun video! A minor thing: calling the Ka-50 "Kamov" is like calling the AH-64 "Boeing", or the Su-27, "Sukhoi". Kamov is the manufacturer The Ka-50's nickname is either Black Shark (from the Russian Чёрная акула) or Hokum A, its OTAN designation.

[@Pussilover56]

Some do not understand that two propellers are two blade weights and two swashplates. And these two circumstances are not at all the advantage of the Kamov helicopter.

[@DCS.1-1]

The hind can hover it's the whole fire solution to get that ''tone'' with Petrovitch depending on altitude that gets tricky

[@TheAngriestGamer.]

the apachie needs another year or 2 to work out the bugs and smooth out.. i wish it had Side arms. Aim9s, stingers, and Laser guided rockets but no fun allowed i guess

[@rickburnett3172]

The Apache, its the deadliest helicopter ever made. Excited for its successor

[@mariokajin]

The Apache against infantry should stayed still or slowly moving. Why were you guys moving at all?

[@Gozar111]

Apache for me. Deadly and long distance firepower

[@scottr9900]

We’d let battalion know, then we’d be calling LOGPAC for an on the run Texaco so we could get under friendly air. You might as well have put a Warthog flight over top of those tanks.

[@jesseterrell9354]

I wish science class was this interesting when I was in school.

[@chadvader974]

Do this again with the apache radar guided hellfires... no contest

[@ToolTimeTabor]

Speed does not matter with more-or-less straight and level flight. Even minor heading and altitude changes, continuously, make targeting much more difficult.

[@cruzerlououtdoors1940]

Hey Cap, does DCS have a MI 28 Havoc ? If I remember correctly, one of the design features was that it had air to air just to hunt down Apaches. Cou you do an air to air over Las Vegas like you did for the Gazelle ?

[@reneoboza1]

Does DCS model active protection systems?

[@grimreapers]

You mean like flares? yes.

[@reneoboza1]

@@grimreapers hardkill measures for tanks like the trophy or arena system.

[@sosayweall1201]

Doing a toughness test while the damage model is far from finished and not a single helo has the improved damaged model? Check. Testing the kill rate while not using the ability to fire Hellfires every 8 or 10 seconds before the precedent missile has hit its target, and while ripple mode isn't implemented yet? Check. Doing a test for determining the "best ground attack helicopter" without testing a single sensor? Check.

[@cron1807]

I think the reason the KA-50 and Hind did better against light armour is because they can carry a lot of anti light missiles, while still carrying rockets and guns

[@jacobedmunds8609]

Hellfires follow curved flight profile to use a top down attack to hit the weaker armour

[@grimreapers]

rgr

[@oscarzheng9902]

the apache is supposed to have over 1000 rounds for it's gun so it could just go point blank and destroy all the personnel and light armor targets. I think the kamov was overperforming in the endurance test, although it's the fastest, it shouldn't have taken all those bullets for that long.

[@saltyfloridaman7163]

The Apache's armor is weaker than it should be like irl, the hind's is much stronger than irl, and the Kamov is slightly stronger than irl. Just part of of the Apache development so far, and I've been hearing they'll be balancing them out and trying to make them more realistic in the coming months

[@92HazelMocha]

It's only 300, the space for the original 1000 was largely re-purposed as fuel storage. The gun is mainly for area targets and unarmored vehicles so the extra 700 rounds aren't as useful as the added range.

[@92HazelMocha]

@@saltyfloridaman7163 No HEDP is not DU lmfao. HEDP doesn't have a penetrator. DU relies on kinetic energy transfer for penetration, HEDP is like if HEAT and HE had a baby, it relies on an internal chemical reaction to achieve penetration. You can litteraly Google the two different rounds the apache uses, M789 and M799 and you'll find cross sections. There's no penetrator in either.

[@jabonemalone4065]

@@92HazelMocha Its either, or on the Robbie Tank(extra fuel) +300 rds, or 1100-1200 rounds of 30mm HEDP, there is no Re-Purpose, its an installed module. Thats why Matt Wagner said in one of his videos. Robbie Tank will be optional later in EA

[@92HazelMocha]

@@jabonemalone4065 Thanks for the clarification

[@popoffcity1989]

How many people here actually seen one of these live in action raise your hand🙋‍♂️

[@WillTimeAbility]

M255A1 for the 64 is inbound

[@MyLonewolf25]

Yes but the Apache has flir plus radar. They can search for targets much better Also they’d be sitting far back at a safe distance behind a ridge line and lobbing rockets.

[@lucaslerch404]

Around 20min, watching Simba kite the tanks going guns guns guns makes me wet!

[@mattcurtis4670]

Get in the cpg spot on the Apache fire hellfire every 10 sec and just move the laser around to next target. Start on the back row and move forward to the front row so the smoke does not block your view. Hole lot faster than you guy were doing.

[@ToolTimeTabor]

Also engage downwind targets first. Let the smoke drift away from the upwind targets..

[@CakePrincessCelestia]

Switching seats is not possible in MP yet...

[@dansamodai7779]

The Hind is my favorite. Having seen one in person, it's terrifying.

[@LondonSteveLee]

None of the above - the British Apaches carrying Brimstone is the most deadly anti-armour helicopter - fire and forget.

[@Josiah_Trelawny1]

for me the Kamov is the most accessible maybe hes got not the best looks but damn he can perform with his rockets and the fully (pls dont touch me) Autopilot.

[@scottr9900]

And the tanks are not moving. If a contact report came in we would run like fookin grunion. Scatter like hell, and look for defilade.

[@FalcoGer]

The apache right now can fly without engines, all you need is to stick a few 23mm in there and they happily spin, even without fuel. The apache is great. Lots of firepower, lovely avionics package. The gun is a bit of a let down, especially without the extended ammo. The kamov is just a dream to fly, the gun is a sniper cannon and the missiles work well on anything but the heaviest armor. Against buildings and bunkers they all suck, even with the ka50 bombs, but with the apache at least you can lase for the aircraft that do carry bunker busters. It will only get better with the RF hellfires and the FCR.

[@GTRNights]

Apache AWS currently has some accuracy issues that they are aware of and in the process of fixing.

[@Dragoon876]

I love the kamov, just wish you could fit guided rockets on it.

[@thecamocampaindude5167]

I expected the apache to really suffer in the second test but due to the gun it has: low rate of fire, and... well... maybe other things

[@jasonholden8864]

the difference in gun capability between the shark and apache are like cheese and chalk. i understand the apache gun is a "area suppression weapon" but with the shark I can engage and destroy IFV's apc's ect from about 4km with the gun reliably , which is around the guns max range with sheet loads more accuracy giving the shark an effective secondary weapon Against targets that shoot back at you, that stand off range and accuracy of the sharks gun is a real difference considering that closing within rocket range in a battlespace with lots of enemy units might not end well. Enemy light armour tends to shoot at around 3km which i think is the apache guns "effective range" if you can call it that. I spent all 300 rounds of apache gun on 1 IFV at around 2km with no hits using George which is a real issue leaving a rocket run as the only other option. I haven't be able to kill light armour with the apache gun myself from anything close to a stand off range or any range really. The area suppression system just doesn't seem to be useful at all against any type of armour which is your main foe on servers etc. and not Toyota Hilux's and poppy farmersand thier families, Although i could be a shit shot (george is just completely woeful on the gun) and want to be proven wrong as i believe the gun should be effective tool against light armour or otherwise whats the point. Black shark gun effective, apache gun looks cool. Rant completed.

[@sosayweall1201]

Not the same purpose... Apache gun is to be used against infantry and rather soft targets at close to medium range, and allows more flexibility for pop up threats. Sniping BTRs from 3 km away is not its purpose. A few days ago I was flying at night above a forest. Suddenly tracers coming at me, from my 10 o'clock like 1km away. I was able to instantly turn my head, and fire a few salvos where the tracers where coming from. Target destroyed. Try to do that with the Ka-50 gun.

[@adamlairsey6700]

The KA is more maneuverable at high speeds like it was designed for but in a fight requiring hovering and target locking then the Apache is the beast and the 30mm gun on the HVD in the Apache is irreplaceable, there is nothing better available at the moment that competes with its 30mm.

[@MattDvc]

Ignoring Ah64 night capabilities my favourite is Ka-50. Because I don't have to rely on incompetent pilot or gunner. And to make it fair you should put Russian helos against western armour. Hellfires were optimised for T80/T90 attack, wheres russian missiles are better against western targets.

[@eastyorkie1972]

Apache is supposed to be able to lock 16 target thru Tad's and ripple fire Hellfires, all missiles fly towards same target and deviate to next target on impact the of 1st or designated flight time to target.

[@Hootee19]

Apache saved my ass several times in Sadr city, Iraq. Definitely my favorite.

[@MravacKid]

The Hind is the good ol' battle wagon that's gonna deposit an infantry squad and give them fire support, and that chaingun on the Apache is by far the most versatile of the guns. The Kamov *seems* like the most advanced, but it doesn't do anything particularly better. I suppose its great advantage is survivability, the lack of tail prop combined with the speed really gives it an edge in that.

[@trevorday7923]

For weapons power I'd have to choose the Apache, but how can anyone not love the Hind? It's a preposterously huge chunk of Soviet pig-iron and it proves sheer grunt can stand up to sophistication any day. The Mujahadeen are on record as saying "we are not afraid of the Russians but we ARE afraid of their helicopters"

[@H-Townracing]

Does DCS have the Marine corps Cobra you should try it cuz there's actually four in that class two American two Russian if you're trying to do the comparison

[@smokeyjoe1034]

I like all three of them, but I'll give the edge to the AH-64 because the chain gun is traversable, unlike with the Kamov and the Hind, and it has the better radar and target acquisition sensors. The hellfire is a good tank busting weapon, but I don't think this video does the 9K121 Vikhr missiles enough justice. These missiles are just as effective against tank armor as the hellfire, but it would be nice if they were to detonate over the top of the turret or the hull.

[@sideswipe147]

In reality the Hind can carry more like 128 rockets across 4x32 rocket pods with an additional 4, not sure if they are laser guided or not, guided missiles. Be they MCLOS or SCALAR missiles I don't think it carries more than 4, maybe 8 though. Though those rockets are smaller than what you might want for anti-tank. which might be more akin to the IIRC 5" rocket pods x7 rockets again x4 pods. But that is no good if those weapons aren't in DCS.

[@andyf4292]

I wonder what difference a few MANPADS would make?

[@grimreapers]

Manpads wreck choppers.

[@jungletroll3844]

I think the missiles not killing is just dysnc

[@Ghatbkk]

If you actually wanted to test the capabilities of the aircraft, you test them within the doctrine they are designed for, and why isn't the AH-1Z also being tested? Only the AH-1Z and the Hind are really designed for "gun run" tactics (although the Russians have been seen using Ka52s in gun runs in Ukraine). The Apache would engage from well outside the range of the typical infantry weapons, very possibly from behind obstacles using strongbow or other aircraft for targeting (or ground forces).

[@gundamator4709]

Once we get the fcr and agm-114l in the apache I feel this may need a redo.

[@ATP-Flo]

Couldn't you get more pilots for the hind and kamov? A little unbalanced. Thanks though. Nice video! Keep it up bois.

[@mikejulien2330]

Everyone wants to fly the new hotness:P

[@grimreapers]

Best I could do. I did advertise for pilots for several days.

[@canniballistic555]

Hind should have gotten a point for being the prettiest! Another point also for having the coolest gun!

[@jabonemalone4065]

That is subjective, Because I believe the hind is a very ugly aircraft personally lol

[@grimreapers]

Agree Hind = best looking.

[@kswan2234]

Sit back and lob hellfires from range. Have multiple in the air at 1 time

[@adarret]

That Kamov, both the Ka-50’s name, Alligator and how it actually looks Gator-ish have grown on me…

[@WyvernFalken]

KA-52 is the Alligator. KA-50 is the Hokum.

[@grimreapers]

So what is Kamov???

[@adarret]

@@grimreapers good question, the Apache and Kamov’s are imho not exactly equivalent. The Apache is like an Indy Car whereas the Kamov is closer to a BMW M6 or Nissan GT-R. All those are fast cars but the Indy Car is next level like the Apache. While I may like the rounder curves of an AC Cobra/Kamov, in racing/war, aesthetics don’t mean squat. If my ass we’re on the line, put me in an AH-64…

[@WyvernFalken]

@@adarret As far as survivability, the Hokum has some advantages. Contra-rotating rotors mean stability and zeroed out torque. If your tail boom gets blown off, you can keep flying. If you can no longer fly, blast off the rotors and eject.

[@adarret]

@@WyvernFalken not one ounce of thought about the capabilities has gone into my thoughts on the Ka-52 Alligator, just pure aesthetics with the shape and contra-rotating props… If were I re-shooting the movie, the Ka-52 would be the helicopter to go after Godzilla.. 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@lucky_luke4785]

Im gonna make my little son fire some apache rockets seems to be a really good hand-eye-coordination task

[@justifiablyhuman]

Apache! Pure American Muscle!

[@jumpingoutofairplanesmentality]

None of the ground units have eyes? That's odd

[@marksmith8163]

Why was an outdated APACHE used instead of the Longbow variant.

[@Scotthalihan]

It was considered a "Longbow" even with the FCR removed. I know it makes it a completely different model but know one seems to care lol Btw, the FCR Longbow isn't modeled in the game yet, so we can only use laser guiding variants and still show the FCR.

[@peterblackwell7802]

0.56 ....wicked streak ...lol

[@mdunnink8681]

Personally I prefer the hind, but that's probably because I'm a bit of a sucker for cold war tech

[@kellymcguire1385]

Wait, so if Simba killed 11 in 1 minute, then extrapolating gives him approximately 110 kills in the 10 minutes if he keeps up that pace...

[@bumponalog7164]

Time to target and ammo limitations also need to be considered.

[@slandshark]

@@bumponalog7164 And beyond that, taking damage, fuel, and speed should be considered. I think the Ka50 is the better overall helicopter right now, not sure about after future Apache updates.

[@grimreapers]

I think he sent all of his rockets in the first few seconds.

[@jefferyshall]

You evidently weren't using the AGM-114 Hellfire II, they can be targeted and they are fire and forget so you can literally spin them all off in a really short period of time, they work day or night and in crap weather. By the way Cap is absolutely correct, the rockets SUCK. But the look down shoot down 30mm chain gun is the most fun, by the way the Apache can carry 1200 30mm rounds. As far as damage goes 7.62 and below is nothing and we've seen guy's come back successfully with half a rotor blade gone.

[@TheDegenerateLord]

because noone had a real person as co pilot and Gorge makes AI decisions. kind of like the whole if a AI Truck Driver is in a crash and had to choose between hitting 2 old people and one young person and it chooses the two old people because one death is better then two. that's why Humans should always be behind things of this nature.