Apocalypse WOW! Pro-ject Debut PRO w/Pick It Pro (vs. Technics SL1210GR w/ Ortofon 2M Black)

[@DarkoAudio]

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[@michaelbarrett3886]

Your comments about active listening with vinyl are spot on. Music stops being background music and you start listening to the music, and appreciating your hifi. Especially as you have to make sure you lift the tone arm when it gets to the end of the last track. Its why I find listening to vinyl much more relaxing to any other format.

[@RUfromthe40s]

why? they don´t work?relaxing? if one falls a sleep the stylus keeps wearing out endlessly for hours, i am a record listener and never stoped not even when i was hooked by cd´s ,at a certain point i can say that i have dozens of cds that i never saw the inlay paper, records still better but i bought a couple of new ones and i get disapointed, the hum inbetween tracks the noise already in a new record ,i´m refering to a new copy of joy division´s unknown pleasures and some years after i bought a still sealed with stickers new edition of the first lynyrd skynerd lp but inbetween tracks the noise was there ,not refering to the earth cable disconected and i thought ,maybe the stylus is bad and i played a early 80´s dexy´s midnight runners lp with older songs like geno and still perfect and it was played many,many,many times ,and to end, mechanical systems at the end of a record don´t interfer with the sound of the record

[@AlexandruBurda]

I feel as relaxed and appreciative about my Hi-Fi while listening music from CDs also. And also the music stops of being background with them. And if one cares about his music collection there is quite some ritual with CDs to (starting the player, opening the tray, taking the CD out from the box, blowing the dust of it with a little pair pump, putting it on the tray, sitting in the listening chair, closing the tray, wait for the reading of the CD, pressing play, switching on the pure direct function and immerse yourself in the music - at the beginning and vice versa at the end). So I think is something that has to do with listening music from physical formats in general rather than streaming or radio. The evolvement Darko speaks of very nicely (which I totally share).

[@listrahtes]

I can relate to your approach but its just conditioning. Its a hobby so everyone should have his approach just so its not really an objective argument but a ritual you perform. Rituals are important part of life but you could develop one for digital listening just the same if you wanted to. Not that there is any need.

[@gregfolland6569]

I just find that with data streaming, where I’m unable to see the source, I have a hard time believing that the music is for real. With CD and, especially vinyl, I am much more enabled to believe what I’m hearing. I must be able to see the source of the music!

[@barrybrennan2135]

Would love an episode on phono preamps - the market is saturated with choice.

[@grayfool]

I'm old so I was buying vinyl back in the seventies. It was a real event to put a new album on your turntable and take a first listen. Then there were all the sleeve art and notes. Really miss that.

[@MrKosh72]

I still do it, why shouldn't you?

[@jmad627]

I know what you mean. Miss it as well.

[@tonyhodgkinson4586]

I’d still take the Technics, I love mine and gave up my LP12 for it.

[@georgedoughly8682]

I like the Technics a lot more, too.

[@dennisbovens9488]

You gave up a LINN LP 12 for a Pioneer?! That’s awesome. Makes no sense whatsoever. Other then your LP 12 wasn’t setup at all…

[@woodstock480]

I'd be interested to hear a similar comparison of the Pro-Ject to your Rega Planar 2 with the Zu-upgraded Denon cartridge.

[@QoraxAudio]

Ah! Finally a turntable episode by Darko! 👌 Always looking forward to those, but they are so rare...

[@love2spinvinyl]

I went in to my local HiFi store to look at the Pro-Ject Debut Pro last week. I ended up ordering an X2 with the 2m Black cart. Arrives next week looking forward to it.

[@timoleary5815]

Brilliant, 'ignore the evangelists' is why I love your channel John. No agenda and an obvious passion for music, rather than gear. So many audiophile evangelists bang on about it being all about the music, when it clearly isn't. Top man you :)

[@dank.6942]

Put the 2M Black cartridge on the Project. That seems like the ideal combo. Great video!

[@jerrytook7308]

An interesting idea, which begs a question: in order to fairly compare the two turntables, wouldn't you have to use the same cartridge on each?

[@izoyt]

@@jerrytook7308 exactly

[@sv1201]

Thanks. I watched and listened carefully. I am keeping my Technics.

[@midnightsocean2689]

what model? : )

[@markcarrington8565]

Great review John. Loved the deep explanation of why azimuth matters 🤣🤣. The cutting head moves at 45 degrees to vertical. 45 degrees one side is the left channel, 45 degrees the other side is the right channel. So if the azimuth is not correct, the deflection of the stylus will not match the cutting head’s original path and the output from the cartridge will be reduced in one channel more than the other. In the extreme case of the azimuth being set at 45 degrees, I know it’s impossible, you would only hear sound from one channel. On materials for the arm, having two different materials in the tubes creates natural damping. The Linn Ittok is made with two alloy tubes which are not bonded together. The two tubes are different diameters, obviously, as one is inside the other, and therefore they have different resonant frequencies, hence when one attempts to resonate, the other naturally damps it. Using carbon fibre for the outer tube provides a slight weight advantage and it is stiff, however, part of me wonders if it isn’t also because it looks cool!

[@leaturk11]

First of all, I love your channel Darko. I've blind tested a few turntables and to be honest I couldn't tell the difference between them if fitted with the same cartridge and tonearm, but this might be that I'm just getting old, to me its all about aesthetics and convenience when you reach a certain level.

[@mydayis5]

When you mentioned the album Leviathan I thought: BLIMEY Darko is listening to Mastodon!!! 😂

[@chriswright5016]

I have never found VTA adjustment to be an issue on Technics SL series turntables. In fact the numbered/marked dial is a real bonus. In many, many thousands of plays, I've never had a single issue with the lid angle versus accessing the platter.

[@kpt.haddoc8438]

I just bought an Technics Sl 1510 from 1977. An old lady died and her relatives sold it for 100€. Nearly unused with a fresh looking shure system with a nude elliptical stylus. I am so happy about it, I was on the edge to buy a brand new technics which is much more expensive.

[@stephenmassey9159]

Loved the camera shake when he punches his hand- the small things in life I suppose 😊

[@adamyelle4901]

Funny thing for me is that I went belt drive since everyone told me direct drive was too noisy. The belt drive table I bought had terrible motor noise that was audible during playback. I moved over to a direct drive table instead, which ended up have a beautiful black background, much more quiet. Can't believe the stereotypes. Both can be great if designed correctly.

[@ephektz]

The aluminum comment killed me. 😂

[@Borednlonely]

Love your turntable and record collecting/buying videos. 👌 very well thought out video. I believe, THIS is exactly how you will inspire more people to get involved in this fun hobby.

[@charlesludwig9173]

The Technics plethora of features to assure exacting cartridge alignment, as well as cart substitution, make it ideal for those who want to experiment with multiple cartridges. And, since I attribute the pleasure or displeasure with vinyl to a cartridge’s characteristics, the ability to change out one cart for another in seconds not hours is important to me and it’s invited opportunity for discovery of carts which better satisfy, right now a Shure V15 type III/Jico SAS-B.

[@matthewjames4268]

Bought the Carbon Debut 10-11 years ago matched with B&W 801's. Covid and a move ruined my listening experience. Plan to get back into it and upgrade the cartridge.

[@bossoli60]

I have a pro-ject rpm 6.1 sb for years now with motor mounting and belt upgrades. It really started to shine with more high end cartridge like the AT VM 760 SLC.It’s a gem 😊. Bass is deep highs are beautiful and separation of layers of sound very audible 😊.

[@whollymindless]

I am continually amazed that you can refrain from trying to compare to devices you have previously reviewed. I think it is great. Too many people idolize and mis-remember what they heard and your methods don't allow for that.

[@astolatpere11]

I love my humble Philips 312 turntable made in 1978. It's lovely to look at. Easy to use. Has touch sensitive buttons for stop and speed control that are cool. It's compact in size without a huge footprint. And with the right cartridge, very high compliance, and a few tweaks, it really sings. Very engaging sound. Thanks for the conversation.

[@richardmacpherson2]

Ha !!! - as soon as I saw ’ Philips 312' , a picture of it popped into my mind ! I'd forgotten about those ! - we had one in the juniors in the assembly hall with a swish looking Philips amp with two round VU metres and a pair of big Philips Hi Fi International speakers near the ceiling in the corners - I miss the 1970's - look after that turntable !

[@don1165]

I too have a Phillips 312 - I bought new in Jan. of 1978 and still have and use! (i never packed it away used it straight thru!) Not the best "audiophile" level - because of some "rumble". but mine has super quiet motor and the "312" has convenience features in spades! Instant speed change! Can adj speed anytime to want with knobs! Adj antio-skate with knob! up front snap toggle cueing! Touch controls with :LED lighting! (in 1978!) And a suspended patter & arm! And lifts arm at end and turns off platter!

[@sieteenliesdejong4449]

I got the Pro this week , its really awesome , what a sound and great looks , love it and i have after a long time goosebumps again , i think its the best turntable under the 1000 euro's , amazing

[@midnightsocean2689]

Thanks for the album recommendations. I love ambient techno. For years I was told I had to get a blank looking high end BELT driven table to get performance but in the end I actually sold my high end tables in favor of a vintage Technics SL-1200MKII (cost me the same as your pro-ject, with custom mat) for the very reason of pragmatics. Every aspect of turn table adjustment is not only available but is very clearly marked with detailed dials, making any adjustment accurate, intuitive and repeatable. It also has something the high end tables I sold didn't, a speed control and speed indicator. VERY useful thing to have for some. Don't know how flimsy the plastic is on your Technics but the plastic bits on mine feel like stone and have metal underneath. Not at all cheap. Same with the armature. Very sold. Never had the jankie lift drop problem either. I wish they still made tables like the old MKII. Apparently direct drive isn't inferior. It's all down to the general quality of build and design, as you insinuated. BTW how do you not get (c) strikes playing bits of music like that?

[@dougg1075]

I would pick the Technics for the strobe/speed light alone:)

[@jacquesvilleneuve754]

Great review. I like your channel for these reasons: seriousness, neutrality of brands, very good english speaking, cleanliness of your home (!), REAL interest in music and choices of product reviews. You are most likely in my age group and I surely appreciate listening to you. "Keep on struttin" as they say. Jack from Quebec

[@f.troiani5937]

Opinions such as these make me lean + and + towards owning maybe 2 'tables -a belt drive and a DD- and enjoying the best of both worlds.

[@AnotherAnonymousMan]

I really enjoyed this. Although now I feel like we might need a phono stage video! Thanks as always, and congrats on reaching 200k subs!

[@danielwhite9426]

I have been on the tipping point of buying my first turntable and building a small but personal vinyl collection. This turntable and your review and comments have pushed me over the edge. I think I’ve found my product!

[@a3marketing991]

I'm really surprised by your comparison of the Technics 1200GR vs Pro-ject Debut Pro. I would choose the Technics 1200GR over just about anything, but I've never listened to this particular Pro-Ject TT. A fair comparison would have been to use the same cartridge on both turntables.

[@robetclo2516]

I personally own a SL1200MK2 since 2000. It's a friend who sold it to me as he wanted to get rid of it and had it for 2 years. He regreted it and a few years ago he asked me if I wanted to sell it back to him and my answer was "over my dead body". As of today it still perfomes very well. In term of speed accuracy Technics turntables are unbeatable and their wow and flutter are very low. I mesured mine 0.03. I tried other turntable but came back to Technics and I will not use another one and those I bought are no longer working. An SL1200 will still perfome long after you are dead.

[@nvezirg]

Why don't you put the 2M Black on the Pro-ject ?

[@swimmad456]

The VTA is one of the key parameters for a turntable and cartridge setup. I can tell just by looking at the two two turntable that this is much easier on the Technics where you can simply dial in the correct height. On the Project you have to fiddle with allen keys and try to make fine adjustments by hand and eye which from experience is a pain in the derriere. Cartridge alignment is also much simpler on the Technics where it can be done away from the turntable using a simple gauge. Its all very well going on about arm rigidity but if the cartridge geometry is out you're scuppered.

[@tomlindalewis2146]

Enjoy many of your posts. I'm an old man that mostly listens old man rock records. I have a number of vintage turntables; belt and dd, and enjoy them all. Additionally, I have a Project Debut Carbon Esprit - Beatles edition. Project puts out so many versions, I had a hard time figuring out where this fits in versus mine. In the end I realized it is higher up the food chain, but probably not enough to upgrade. My current vintage turntable is a Yamaha P-850. Fully automatic.

[@5angels332]

Great review John. Takes me back to the early 80's when I first got into higher end audio. Ah, the hours I spent setting up my turntable to be rewarded with a jaw dropping sound. Now you have me thinking should I treat myself to that Project turntable,it looks beautiful. Thanks for sharing.

[@darrellchitwood9167]

It’s always interesting when you compare turntables and their components when you can. Most of us don’t get the chance to do so as often as we would like.

[@larryhoffman7471]

You should try switching the cartridges. If you like the Project better with its inexpensive cartridge so much, you’ll probably love it with the 2M Black.

[@Hiwired96]

The Spiritual Machines album is wonderful! Thank you for showing it, I am now going to start looking for more ambient techno on vinyl. I have a Project Debut Carbon Evo and love the minimalism of it. It hasn't got the same toggle, but a nice rocker switch that's tucked away on the bottom left underside of the plinth. Some people I show it to struggle to turn it on, which makes you feel like its really "your" machine, and only you know all its particular workings. Stuff like this is really important in Design, I think your comments were spot on!

[@mcgreedy01]

Happy to give you my Pro-Ject for that Technics you have 🙂

[@windymiller6908]

What model is that?

[@DavidEvenson]

One thing I’ve found about my Pro-ject debut carbon is that removing the plastic dust cover will really cut down on vibration. Especially when you leave it open like that… it’s like a giant sound wave collector that brings vibrations back into the system.

[@fabers92]

I can believe it, it’s my experience too with other turntables. Personally I always leave it on and down when not changing record/ flipping sides. I don’t know if I’m in a particularly dusty area but I find it gathers very quickly, even playing a side for 20 minutes is enough to see some build up. I’ve been experimenting putting a couple of records on top of the lid when in use to counteract any vibes. It may be placebo but I think it sounds good.

[@Damsjov]

Congratulations on 200k! Well deserved - great content, great attitude, excellent production quality! Keep it coming...

[@leyland9999]

Well…..over the years I have owned quite a few turntables. Most of them I still have as a matter of fact. What I learned is, there is no such thing as a universal turntable. They all have their own specific qualities and flaws, even the 10.000 dollar ones. I’m not talking tastes here. I’m talking sheer solidity and longevity and what it offers soundwise. What I also have learned over the years that I started to listen to my records instead of listening to my equipment. Of all the players I have, my trusted SL-1200 mk2’s I use the most. Because nearly all other players I own at some stage let me down qualitywise. Either blown power supply capacitors (Dual), faulty motors and uncurable humming (Rega) and so on. Not so on my Techies…….they served me well and continue to do so. But what I did was equip them with different cartridges. In an attempt to be prepared for the best possible reproduction my set up (2 identical SL-1200’s with different carts) can offer. I carefully selected the cartridges so that they form a good combination with the Technics tone arm. That’s how far I’m willing to go. No endless tweaking. Instead, I spend my money on records, the reason I have my equipment and not the other way around. I know people who own maybe 50 records and keep on tweaking and selling stuff for, what they think, better stuff. It is fully up to them but imagine what they could have bought instead…music!

[@ykhm9778]

I have found Goldring 2200 cartridge to sound very good on my SL-1200GR. However, I assume that Project PRO would give me more "analog" insight into record? if so? What cartridge did you find that suits best for Technics?

[@leyland9999]

@@ykhm9778 It’s difficult to say. For starters, if a cartridge doesn’t feel at home on a tone arm, no matter what make, it will never perform at its full capacity. So, as a general rule, take your time to find out what cart does fit on your tone arm. There are numerous that perform well mechanical wise but is it sounding the way you want it to sound? To narrow down your search I’d look at the Audio Technica range. All that I owned over the years performed well. Yes, even the most expensive ones. Ortofon also have a fabulous range of quality carts in their range. So there you have two brands that most certainly have a cart that suits your needs. Have a listen at your local specialist dealership rather than order one on the internet unless you are absolutely sure the cart you selected is the one for you. Not an easy task, selecting a suitable cartridge. But fun to do and along the way you get yourself aquainted. Knowledge is power, an absolute necessity in a world where the novices are easily deceived. And the Goldring 2200 is also a top performer. As long as it feels happy on your tone arm and you like it, I wouldn’t replace it. Unless you change e.g. your speakers. A cartridge and loudspeaker also have to form a good match, a somewhat dull sounding speaker combined with a not so bright sounding cartridge isn’t a good combination and vice versa. Greetings from Holland, bye, Willem.

[@robertwoodward9231]

@@leyland9999 I'm almost 72 but trying to get back to some hi fidelity. I just got a cambridge xax35 and a technics d202 plugged into it. I just want to hear my old records again and hear a nice Soundstage. Do you sir, have any suggestions? I've commented on this a lot but never get any answers. Thanks

[@philipknight3270]

@@robertwoodward9231 Hi Robert,try to ensure your tt is level,stable and relatively vibration free. Use a decent interconnect and speaker cable,and lastly start with equilateral triangle ratio with your ears as the third point to your speakers. Experiment with small movements and toe-in adjustment to get the best central imaging. Hope this helps mate, Cheers

[@deadandburied7626]

The BIG advantage of Technics, is its switchable headshell+cartridge unit. Pro-ject's Debut Pro S, however has that, so comparing the S with your Technics, would be a more equal comparison.

[@felixfranzen7578]

Another big advantage is the fact that the Technics is direct drive which means better speed stability and lower wow and flutter. The technics has wow and flutter at 0.025%. The Pro-Ject only manages 0.16% w&f (according to Pro-Ject's own specs), that is certainly audible and if it's true it wouldn't qualify the table as hifi back in the 70's and 80's.

[@Techman2ch]

How about using the same cartridge on both tables for the comparison…

[@josevarela6352]

Excellent, wide and humble review, John. Thank you very much ;-)

[@albinosquirlz]

Best of both worlds for many people might be the design powerhouse Beogram 8000 with the amazing MMC 20CL. Extreme user-friendly features with good sonics. That sleek, unmistakable Jacob Jensen styling is a bonus.

[@ActuMoto]

Interesting to see that a 100% digital recording is only available on an analog format…

[@Uygkuyfkutfkytfkutfv]

No - streaming is a digital format, as is MP3/FLAC/WAV which has superseded CD. Historically dance/electronic 12”s were only released on vinyl as that is all DJs used.

[@narabdela]

I think you're getting rather confused Franck.

[@Macrike]

@@narabdela He’s talking about how digitally mastered albums are available on vinyl but not CD. It’s ironic.

[@phnelson033]

Reminds me of the old "Digalog" stickers on cassettes tapes. As though we were all supposed to be mystified how recorded audio from any format/source could be transferred to tapes. Shocking.

[@dwightballard3868]

I'm streaming it on Tidal at the moment. Even has MQA content

[@strikpower]

Dark thanks for this awesome demo. I have a similar setup at home with an Pioneer PLX-1000 and not being really satisfied. I today bought the project debut pro and it is a big improvement.

[@stepicm]

Love the diversity of metals used for platter and tonearm in different markets. But which one is better aluminum in North America or aluminium everywhere else?! So that I know which one to buy 😊

[@homerjones3291]

Yes, you don’t want to mix them up; the world’s rotation could be permanently affected if the wrong one is spun in the wrong hemisphere.

[@skipskipson]

Love your reviews. I do have a dog in this fight, sorta. I've had the Pro-ject Debut Carbon for 5 years. Now I own the Technics SL1500C turntable both factory fitted with Ortifon 2M Red. I know it well. With the pro-ject it sounds nice. Like welcoming you into the world of vinyl with detailed but wobbly warmth. On the Technics with its precise Japanese way of doing things. Pulls me in like a tractor beam. It interrupts whatever I may me doing. The music is much more important. Its almost too much table for the cart. When you step up in that department you really see what the table can do. Looks are important. Industrial high mass vs minimalist beauty. Respectfully, How can you compare two turntables with two different cartridges?

[@marvinarmstrong3372]

Well, his Technics has the superior cartridge (both are from the Ortofon 2M line). Your old Pro-ject Debut Carbon is not the Pro-ject Debut PRO. They are completely different animals: different platter, different tonearm & a different overall design concept. They are not comparable. Personally, I'm not at all surprised the anniversary Project model is the superior sonic performer.

[@HerrFinsternis]

@@marvinarmstrong3372 I don't think that's fair. The cartridge is what truly changes the sound, the rest makes or brakes that sound. I think it's fair to mention it's weird to compare turntables using different cartridges, even when they are both made by the same manufacturer. Maybe it was the pick-it that made everything more holographic and snappy, whereas the black made it warm and refined.

[@SebTheFrenchGuy]

I have a Pro-ject Carbon Evo and it's fantastic. Sure the higher quality models are even better.

[@leonarddaneman810]

The only adds are the auto 33-45 switching. But, who the hell listens to 45's? I set up my Carbon for 78's. It cost $30 for the pulley and belt, and more involved than switching to a 45 . . . but I also have to change cartridges . . . The carbon tone arm is the 'hero' of the Debut Carbon, so . . . it is simplicity to the level of art form.

[@marclajeunesse9635]

John you brought me back to my first sound system which was an early 1960's dansette . We would just stare at the record player as it played . Very funny memory . Thank you .

[@snowpuppy77]

One of my favorite Darko videos. Love this video. Love the nice feature set and the simplicity of this table. I have a Pro-ject The Classic and it has been a real work horse. I would be glad to get another Pro-ject table if I needed to.

[@josephchamberlain3681]

I went with a fluance rt85 table over the pro ject models. I'm pleased with my decision.

[@brianbieniowski2777]

That Leviathan CD is one of my faves this year. And to follow it with Remotion! Valuable to hear your hifi perspectives in relation to music I actually listen to. If you've not already checked out the Barker 12s on Ostgut Ton, run to the shop! I chose the Rega Planar 6 for the same ergonomics you describe with the Pro-ject. It just feels good to use. Currently debating the merits of a separate phono stage. Unfortunately it seems you have to spend so much more on analog kit to compete with a modest CD setup.

[@johnhpalmer6098]

Agree on the P6, bought one too last year.

[@professorcalculus5315]

Thanks again for the album tips John. ‘Loom’ on Leviathan must sound amazing with the KEF KC62.

[@jrwojick]

I've been loving your channel, specifically the CD/Vinyl content. It's gotten me re-fired out about both of those formats. One thing I just realized while watching this video (another bonus of vinyl) is there is no region coding...so no blocking music based on where you live. Thanks again for your videos!

[@johnmarchington3146]

Have you tried interchanging the cartridges, assuming that's possible? It would be interesting to know if the Ortofon works well with the Pro-Ject turntable and arm.

[@FireMunki63]

Loved this. Used to be extensively into Vinyl and music. Over the years have moved to streaming services and having so much available I found myself listening to less and engaging less. I missed that tactile interaction with the CDs, the player, and the turntable plus vinyl and album art. I am in the process of returning back to physical media now and am already rediscovering old music and finding new music. More to the point I am enjoying and getting excited by music once again. As they say in the Mandalorian "This is the way!" ;) Great video.

[@RUfromthe40s]

i do like to see and listen to your opinions that are real not like many others that almost talk robotic and i worked in a radio station for 30 years, so i do know what a good radio voice is

[@classicrock7890]

The VTA issue with Technics decks can be solved by using the Oyaide BR12 mat which is 5mm thick rather then 3mm Technics mat. Should be used with a record weight. It might go some way to solving the criticisms of the Technics v the Projects sound. Most cartridges should be correctly adjusted for VTA using non Technics headshells. Unfortunately the budget Projects have had a bad reputation in the past for hum and motor vibration. Hope they have now solved those issues. As for dust covers I think you are better off removing them while playing records (not vinyl). I think if you really want better sound from Technics go for the 1200G. My brief encounter with the GR suggests it's not a lot better for sound than a Pioneer PLX1000. The G runs a Michell Orbe close but both have advantages. I do find the Orbe a little more engaging and better with a wider range of musical styles but think the Technics would be preferred if you play a lot of electronic music. (own both 1200G and Michell Orbe SE with SME309).

[@jerrysnead2842]

Agree my SL1210GAE competes with my 7k table and some ways is better

[@BorjaLopezFernandez]

I have enjoyed very much this review. It is a real beauty. I know you never compare gear which do not have simultaneously for good reasons but I feel like a more comparable contender would be the Technics 1500 without the DJing goodies but which can be obtained < 1K€ in Europe with some ortofon cartridge.

[@keithkrieger7075]

I guess im old fashion but i always remove the dustcover when using my turntable.

[@NathanPallas]

I had to leave my Pro- ject Debut II turntable when I left the UK for Belgium. Really wish I still had it. It was the glossy blue colour too, looked so good!

[@40pipo79]

Man, in my opinion the best turntable in the word is Linn lp 12, i have the little brother Linn Axis , and audision is pure haven! And the vinyl is the suprem format in audision,no sound is like vinyl! Peace! I from Romania!

[@Akstergrind]

Salivating over that gorgeous toggle switch, because it is indeed annoying to have to keep taking the platter off to change speed! I have a NAD C588 and it annoys me to the point that I've pretty much stopped listening to 45s (lazy). Thanks for another great video, John

[@mitschiewaldmann9450]

On the topic of album recommendations….The DUNE soundtrack by Hans Zimmer is AWESOME!

[@garyausten5939]

I just ordered a Rega Planar 2 with an upgraded cart, the AT VM540ML. I should get it next week :) It's replacing a technics SL-5 that has been slowly self-destructing - only one button remained working, the start button, and that one doesn't work anymore...no way to spin a record!

[@eugeniorenzi7790]

Hi John. Very nice review. I happen to have a pro-ject turntable. I am using it with a very simple rega brio and a pair of PCM speakers. I am quite happy with it. It is the only modern turntable I ever had. As a child, I used to mess around with my mother's turntable and records... I think it was a Pioneer. Something from the 80s or late 70s. Really not audiophile, the stylus was probably worn out... but quite robust and easy to use. And one thing that it had, it's that it would stop when the stylus reaches the end of the record, and then it would lift up it"s arm and go back to rest. I was quite found of this kind of automatic turntable. And the fact that the project does not stop at the end of the last tract, it is a little annoying, I found. Anyway, thanks for your videos, it is always a pleasure to listen your reviews and thoughts.

[@rehn1kri]

Hi John. Just wondering, do you no longer have your Planar Two? I watched the previous video comparing it to your Technics, and I wonder if this Pro-Ject combines most of what you like about each of those two turntables into one affordable package.

[@snoomad]

Fab reviews thanks and keep those album recommends coming adds that little extra

[@sebizbir]

John, your pronunciation and vocabulary is so clean (Englishman?). Only a fool would not get the point. Each video is well composed. Thank you ever so much for reading :)

[@livingthefrenchdream7966]

Thank you John for a great in depth review I have been following this turn table since its launch and your review is by far the most revealing. I already own a Pro ject carbon which I have upgraded with new plater , phone amp and new stylus . But the issues you raise with the technics are the same with my pro ject changing speed which becomes frustrating at times . I will be in vesting in the new Pro ject very soon . Keep up the reviews I never miss them and they have become a highlight of my weekends . Living France now I find it difficult to get reading matter that I understand but your KZbin channel makes up for that . Thank once again.

[@blastfromtheeast]

I remember watching the video you made on the TuneTots and how excited you were. Glad that you have that as your reference (?) setup.

[@marinosimion]

Thank you @DarkoAudio for sharing those lovely vinyls on top of your tech review. Just bought Lifeforms by FSOL so I am looking for the right turntable.

[@danedj33]

I really appreciate, that you listening techno music on all components thru your videos. Also how you threat vinyl.

[@wtfgebeurdmij2991]

The vinyl recordings feel really threatened indeed

[@HernanDamburiarena-zv4ob]

Hi Darko. It will be nice if you swap cartridges and do the same comparison again. Nice videos, thanks

[@hemantishwaran5741]

Just wanted to mention there’s the big brother Technics 1200G that’s on a completely different level (and of course price point) to the 1210G discussed here. I also saw a lot of people use the Nagaoka MP200 with the 1210G.

[@a3marketing991]

I think we should compare turntables using the same cartridge, which wasn't done here.

[@peterstudley1804]

I also use the nagaoka mp200 on my SL1200 G . Match very well, the ortofon 2m bronze which I also use is too clinical/ sterile .

[@darreng279]

Darko Audio blows other KZbin channels out of the water. John Darko destroys other KZbinrs. Darko Audio is the one to rule them all.

[@markielinhart]

Happy Sunday! I’ve admired Pro-ject turntables for a while but I have a problem with the business end of their tonearms. It’s the finger lift. Too small and too short and I do like a removable headshell. Having said that, great review and glimpse into your record collection… 👏🌹🇦🇺✌️

[@danedes9297]

Thanks for the Grid/Robert Fripp recommendation. I must admit that I was a fan of Swamp Thing and Texas Cowboys back when they first came out.

[@weddiedon]

I've got an old planar 3 and as you talked about here and mentioned about your p2 in previous the 45/33 change is more than just a switch... But I love it! It's kind of genius in my eyes you really get to see how it works every time and you quickly get a handle on speedy technique

[@basilandrigsby]

Changing the belt is easier than turning a record over. It’s all just part of the lovely inconvenience of vinyl listening.

[@dougg1075]

Man, thanks so much for the heads up on those albums. Awesome stuff. When you mention an album, I quickly switch to my music app and listen. Make a note and BAM!

[@Smogas]

Just about a week ago I replaced my Rega Planar 1 with the Debut Pro. That platter lifting ang changing the pulley for different speed is very annoying on Rega. The sound of Debut Pro is just night and day compared to P1, next level. Very happy with the decision.

[@ijonaskisselbach6758]

Just what I needed to hear... I'm in the same boat. Looking to upgrade from the P1, and I'm considering the P3 and the Debut Pro.

[@sixergixer]

I love the music suggestions in your videos, especially the electronic/techno--on top of the already excellent audio discussion. I don't have any of these albums but I'm definitely checking them out over the next couple of days. Inspired me to pull out Dettinger's Intershop to put on the platter today!

[@dynodin81]

21:11 I had to rewind that, wasn't sure if I was seeing things but that was cool!

[@diogoalfaiate5253]

Those two styli are interchangeable and the cart is basically the same. Swapping the 2m Black stylus back and forth between the Technics and the Pro-Ject would have made for a fairer comparison. I understand the need to compare the tables as a bundle, since that's how they're offered by the dealer, but personally I'd have loved to hear the sound differences between the tables alone.

[@KaiTimmerherm]

The carts are mechanically the same, but the generators are vastly different. The Pick-It Pro uses the low inductance generator from the old OM series.

[@diogoalfaiate5253]

@@KaiTimmerherm well spotted. So not only is the stylus similar to the 2m Red but the cartridge generator is also poorer compared to the 2m Black. Not really a fair comparison in my book.

[@pauldavies6037]

A very good honest review the Ortofon black will be better sounding compared to the cheaper clone one fitted to the Project If you swop them round I'm sure the sound improvement over the Technics will be even greater

[@olaniyi570]

I would try changing the RCA cables and cartridge on that Technics. I think its capable of more. Also how do you like the Project compared to the Planar 2 sonically? Things i don't like about the project are minor but nonetheless i don't like the feet being this close together, the flat tonearm finger lift and the dangling anti-skating weight. I might still consider this table though.

[@ronnieneo]

I was about to order a Gr until i learned about the wobbly platters. Scared me off

[@johnrobins795]

Due to the singular disposition of record playback, am not a vinyl enthusiast. HOWEVER your review and enlightenment about the turntables was informative and enjoyable🎶

[@heimay8294]

did you notice new Pro-Ject Debut Pro S with SME tonarm 😃

[@mattharwood4413]

I must echo how much I LOVE your channel and really, your aesthetic. You are bit young for your taste in music and I'm all in with it! I agree with one of your earlier commenters that I would like to see a Rega comparison to the Pro-ject. Yes, the Rega will be twice as much but the Pro-ject does remind me of my Rega 6 in some ways. BTW, I bought the Matthew Sweet LP on your comments. It really is about the layers on that one too.

[@ricochet243]

Take the lid off when you’re listening, the sound quality improves no end!

[@neilkirkwood2617]

Hi John, enjoyed your video and I must agree with your insights on vinyl playback being more hands on and more engaging than streaming, although like you, I do both. Last year I replaced my late ‘90s Rega 3 belt-drive turntable, with a high output Benz-Micro MC cartridge, for a Technics SL-1210GR, like yours. Mine is equipped with a Hana SL cartridge. My initial impression, going from the Rega to the 1210GR was that my old familiar records lacked force, pace, and life. I was a bit disappointed. Over the next few weeks as the new cart’ and ‘table broke in, and I dialled-in the settings on my phono preamp, I became a lot happier with the detail, bottom-end, and solid images the Hana and the 1210GR were excavating from the grooves. The attack and sustain in acoustic music, especially on instruments like guitar and piano is more pronounced, which given the kind of music I mainly listen to, is much appreciated. Having said that, I do miss the lively force and presentation of my old rig and would certainly entertain getting another belt-driven turntable, perhaps with something like the Hana SL on the business end. Although the Technics SL-1210GR isn’t made in the E.U., it is manufactured in Japan. And given recent political events, Rega turntables can no longer claim to be manufactured in the E.U.either, pity.

[@mrgadget4863]

VTA adjudtment also helps optimising the sound quality when records have a different thickness, which they often do.

[@HonestSonics]

There is the valid question of 'which turntable will be working exactly the same in 20 years' which I'd venture the Technics would win hands down

[@mgsamps]

I have an Technics SL220 from the 70's and it still works just fine.

[@HonestSonics]

@@mgsamps Nice. My 1978 sl-1710 works a charm too, auto return and all! Amazing thing