Pastor vs. Mormon Security Guard

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[@ApologiaStudios]

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[@archiebarrier5633]

Faith without work is dead

[@archiebarrier5633]

The only difference between the Old and New Testament is how we atone for our sins. In the Old Testament we were allowed to atone for our sins through animal sacrifices brought to the priest by the person making the offer and various washings. In the New Testament we accept the sacrifice of the Messiah who lost his earthly body only to be raised with a spiritual body, the same body we await in the resurrection. This sacrifice was made and offered by Yah for the atonement of our sins, to reconcile the damage created by Adam. That is the only difference between the two covenants, atonement.

[@Jacques.Smith_]

Thank you for doing this. I feel sorry for those people. Greetings from South Africa 🇿🇦

[@masongertz2610]

This has been super helpful love y’all!

[@Michael_Chandler_Keaton]

@@archiebarrier5633 Because it's a false faith. True faith produces works because God predestined all His people to walk in His works (Ephesians 2:10)... Those works are apart from salvation. We are saved wholly and totally by grace through our faith. This is why Paul could speak of the man who "works not but believes on Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is counted as righteousness" (Romans 4:5).

[@Kyle-vb3fz]

“Your church put the veil back up.” That pulled at my heartstrings.

[@jasonbabilonia3037]

My brother that slapped me like will Smith did it, smh.

[@jesuschristsaves9067]

And Calvinism blocks the way completely

[@SickestDisciple]

@@jesuschristsaves9067 in what way? Let’s see how you’ll misrepresent Reformed Theology.

[@jesuschristsaves9067]

@@SickestDisciple I’ve spoken enough to know that any accurate description of your belief system will be copped out as a misrepresentation. Reformed? From what? The Catholic or orthodox faith (which are more historical and actually more biblical). None of your core doctrines are found in scripture from total depravity, unconditional election, perseverance or preservation of the saints, irresistible grace etc… Y’all claim to give all glory to God and his sovereignty and yet if one of your brothers in the faith falls away… you would just say that he was never saved in the first place, taking the judgement seat of Christ because apparently you guys know who and who isn’t saved.

[@SickestDisciple]

@@jesuschristsaves9067 and there it is. Thanks for showing your ignorance publicly, good day.

[@chrisholt4804]

I'm glad Jeff is still at it. Please keep up the great work!

[@NephilimSlayer801]

Me too. Haven't seen James White debating Mormons much anymore. I think he did host a debate recently in a tag-team with younger apologists from both sides.

[@TimothyBerman]

Yes, nothing like praising a man who is toxic and a narcissist. A liar and a deceiver who has been exposed numerous times as being deceptive, manipulative, and dishonest.

[@stacieweaver79]

I’m an ex Mormon & now a born again Christian & would love to go with Jeff & share the gospel of the living word of God. 1 John 4:1-8. Rev 22:13-21. These are two big scriptures I have been shown by the Holy Spirit. I am saved by grace through faith in Jesus Christ Alone.

[@Dp3.16]

Amen 🙏

[@DogDocLou]

So glad you’ve been brought to faith in the Lord Jesus Christ, who has existed for eternity and through which all things were made. My brother and his wife are Mormon, they believe they are Christian. I’m not sure how to lovingly share the Gospel with him.

[@selinaogorman8380]

Amen to that 🙏🏻

[@TheAnnoyingBoss]

Back when I was an atheist, I had a Mormon buddy and he was an alright guy, but looking back neither of us had the real Jesus back then.

[@ronniebattle1310]

@@TheAnnoyingBoss Encounter Ministries KZbin page. (Mark Hemans)+

[@robinmartz9052]

I worked with a Morman in Yellowstone Park in 72, 73. It was winter so we had down times to talk. I had no idea about mormanism until he started telling me. I grew up in a Bible church and I was I involved in Campus Crusade For Christ where we went out as teens to knock on doors. I don't think churches should just send a bunch of teenagers out to do that but anyway. I've since educated myself to different religions. I was pretty much in shock when he told me what they believe. I got married in 75, had 4 children, and along the way, I've shared faith with anyone, doing it as the Lord led me. Now I'm just trying to help my family and grandchildren. I appreciate what you're doing .

[@RickyJayG]

Howdy guys, thanks to your videos, I was able to minister to 2 LDS gents on Monday. Couldn't have done it without y'all.

[@jacksyoutubechannel4045]

"Agree to disagree" may have been the worst possible phrase to introduce to our culture. Agreeing to disagree means no one has to have to truth, no one gets to persuade, not even common ground can be reached.

[@zerubbablestranger6970]

In my opinion, another nonsense statement is “we’re not hear to debate”…. 🤔 Since there’s no such thing as truth, I interpret that to mean, “I don’t care what you think and will not obey Jesus’ command to love my neighbor by having a conversation with him about the Gospel!”

[@robertgroen2197]

I think it depends on context; I’ve only use ‘agree to disagree ‘ in cases where the person I was conversing with could not continue in civil dialogue.

[@zerubbablestranger6970]

@@robertgroen2197 I would agree with that.

[@robertgroen2197]

@@zerubbablestranger6970 Good morning, I pray you’re well. I agree that on the whole the ‘agree to disagree ‘ & ‘we’re not here to debate ‘ are typically used as copouts. Peace & Grace

[@Wachary1]

I think that phrase is just coming to terms with the fact that no more progress can be made in a discussion in terms of changing minds or finding anymore common ground and continuing trying would be a waste of time

[@Mrj_2731]

Nothing beats seeing Jeff vs the Mormons. One of the best to ever do it 👏🏼 Please do more of these videos

[@preacherofthecross]

Amen, he’s so gentle and kind.

[@Romano_33]

As a man of God.. Listening to the LDS gentleman is very sad. I pray that Jeff's and the other gentlemans words stick in his head. That being confronted on his position really guides him to The TRUTH and that he would find boldness in the one true Christ

[@1988TheHitman]

I felt Exactly the same, infact my heart felt very heavy and ver burdened fir the LDS people. I’m from the UK and it’s very rare to speak to mormons. We have weekly interactions with islam but LDS theology is so much closer to the bible than islamic theology Yet sooooo far from the Truth! Jesus said many will come in My Name and these are a classic example by the sounds of it. Very very sad. God have Mercy and bless these precious brothers spreading the Truth 🙏🏼

[@zerubbablestranger6970]

Just trying to “leave a rock in their shoe” ……

[@ronniebattle1310]

@@1988TheHitman Encounter Ministries KZbin page. (Mark Hemans)+

[@TimothyBerman]

I pray that Jeff Durbin has a real Damascus Road Experience and realize awaken from the chains that hold him bound in heresy and false teaching.

[@Romano_33]

@Timothy Berman And what evidence do you have against him? What is he preaching that's false?

[@shanewise7625]

So inspired by Pastor Jeff and his team! Praying for your ministry and this lost people group!🙏

[@TimothyBerman]

So you are inspired by someone who is lying, deceptive, and dishonest? Good to know.

[@shanewise7625]

@@TimothyBerman Hello Timothy, hey, your accusations are extremely serious and hurtful. Please notate specifically what Pastor Jeff and his team said that was “lying, deceptive and dishonest.” I am awaiting your very specific evidence. Otherwise, you will be be in danger of being found to be the one who is “lying deceptive and dishonest.”

[@TimothyBerman]

@@shanewise7625 Claim one - A Different Jesus. The Restored Gospel of Jesus Christ does not teach a different Jesus than that of Christianity when you actually examine what we truly teach. All that we teach supports the Biblical accounts related to who Christ is, His ministry, and His death, burial, and resurrection. It is a false claim by Jeff Durbin and those who make false assertions without evidence to back up claim. They are lying and being deceptive in their approach. If anyone is preaching a "false Jesus" it is modern Christianity when you test the creeds and confessions against the Bible and realize that the "Christ" of Reformed Theology is incapable of saving all people, is based on second century gnostic and third century heresy. Claim two: Misquotes and misuses Joseph Smith's King Follett Discourse and even denies the very teaching of Deification that Christ himself taught in Matthew 19, 20, throughout the Gospel of John, and even what John writes and reveals in Revelation. Paul himself in Romans declares we are heirs and joint heirs with Christ. Not only this, but St. Athanasius also writes in his work the Incarnation that God became man so that man may become God. C.S. Lewis, revered Theologian accepted and held to the doctrine of deification. Luther and Calvin also held to the nature and doctrine of Theosis and Deification of humanity. Claim three: Misquoting 2 Nephi 25:23 out of context because when you actually take a critical examination of 2 Nephi 25:23, you find that Nephi is referring to the nature of maintaining obedience to the Law of Moses and that it points to the reality of Christ and the atonement and therefore they obey the law and look forward to the Grace of God that is found through Christ himself. Claim four: Misquoting Ephesians 2:8-9 because of their own biased and prejudicial belief in reformed theology and reading that into the text without allowing the text itself to be properly examined to say what it truly means. Writing to the Church in Ephesus, the Apostle makes an astounding statement of truth: “According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love: Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will. (Ephesians 1:4-5). Here, we find that the Apostle Paul is referring to the plan of salvation that was established prior to human existence. Prior to Adam and Eve, and the Garden of Eden. In this context, and based on the Greek term for Predestinated, we understand Paul referring to the idea and truth that those whom he is writing to were “determined before, ordained, predestinate” to be heirs of salvation through Jesus Christ. On the surface, this may support the doctrine of predestination within reformed theology (which is for another discussion altogether). However, when fully understood, we see it as fulfillment of God’s will and purpose in that the plan of salvation through Jesus Christ is meant to bring to pass the immortality and eternal life of man. Thus, God, beforehand established the boundaries and limits of the Plan of Salvation - not who will benefit from the saving grace. Another phrase the Apostle Paul utilizes is the nature of adoption. Here, we must understand this in light of the fact that Paul, being a Jew and Pharisee, is writing to Gentile Christians. To them, they are being adopted into the blessings inherit to the Abrahamic Covenant. Having this in our mindset - Paul is again establishing the nature and purpose of the Plan of Salvation as it pertains to the atonement of Jesus Christ. This is supported by the context of Ephesians 1:7-14. In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace; Wherein he hath abounded toward us in all wisdom and prudence; Having made known unto us the mystery of his will, according to his good pleasure which he hath purposed in himself: That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both wich are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him: In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will: That we should be to the praise of his glory, who first trusted in Christ. In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation; in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise. Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory. Paul carries this thought toward the justification of the Gentile believers at Ephesus in the second Chapter. Furthermore, the Apostle continues on with Ephesians 2:10: “For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto Good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.” Most Evangelicals only quote Ephesians 2:8-9 and then fail to include verse 10 contextually. Thus, Ephesians 2:8-10 bridges the idea and nature of the doctrine of Justification by Faith in Christ as the first principle of the Gospel. First, unto the Jew and second, unto those who are Gentiles adopted into the covenant promises of God. In his commentary on the Epistle to the Ephesians - Hodges gives this analysis: There are three principal topics treated of in this Section. First, the spiritual state of the Ephesians before their conversion. Second, the change which God had wrought in them. Third, the design for which that change had been affected. I. The state of the Ephesians before their conversion, and the natural state of men universally, is one of spiritual death, which includes-1. A state of sin. 2. A state of subjection to Satan and to our own corrupt affections. 3. A state of condemnation, vs. 1-3. II. The change which they had experienced was a spiritual resurrection; concerning which the apostle teaches-1. That God is its author. 2. That it is a work of love and grace. 3. That it was through Christ, or in virtue of union with him. 4. That it involves great exaltation, even an association with Christ in his glory, vs. 4-6. III. The design of this dispensation is the manifestation through all coming ages of the grace of God. It is a manifestation of grace-1. Because salvation in general is of grace. 2.. Because the fact that the Ephesian Christians believed or accepted of this salvation was due not to themselves but to God. Faith is his gift. 3. Because good works are the fruits not of nature, but of grace. We are created unto good works. ccel.org/ccel/hodge/ephesians/ephesians.iii.ii.html?queryID=15699806&resultID=133799 As established, the nature of Paul’s discourse gives us insight and understanding into the nature and purpose of the atonement. We, ourselves of our own merit, could never provide the necessary sacrifice needed to bring about our own justification. It is through our faith in Jesus Christ that we are then justified by God’s grace. based on these four claims alone - Jeff Durbin is lying, being dishonest, and is engaged in deceptive and manipulative tactics that - upon full examination and testing against the Scriptures exposes Him as a false teacher.

[@madhands9887]

Imagine standing before God and telling him you believe lucifer is his brother his equal and your here to claim your own Godhood and Kingdom.

[@victoriajerie8027]

That is very dangerous..God will not be mocked

[@jonathancrocker366]

The accuracy and consistency is nonexistent within Mormon theology.

[@jesuschristsaves9067]

Same with Calvinism

[@NephilimSlayer801]

@@jesuschristsaves9067 I'm not a Calvinist; but I will defend the Bible. Can you point out where in the Bible where it states God the Father was once a man? Good luck defending Mormonism.

[@tyrellfraser3579]

Same thing with Islam.... Both cults are a hot mess

[@jesuschristsaves9067]

@@NephilimSlayer801 Who said I was a Mormon?

[@jesuschristsaves9067]

@@NephilimSlayer801 that’s the problem with Calvinists, they only have one eye and one ear open.

[@LuceroG3RS]

Thank you Jeff and team for the patience, love and compassion you give, even when you don’t always get that in return. The security guard says it’s not his place to judge someone’s morality. “We don’t force people to be moral” What about the Mormon who doesn’t have all the check marks for a temple recommend? He/she isn’t “morally” worthy to enter a temple. If you’re not “worthy” to enter the temple you are told you can not enter the celestial kingdom. Judging one’s moral worthiness is the base of LDS church.

[@ClintonHester88]

Grateful to GOD for brother Jeff and apologia!

[@roccocalzone5480]

Grateful to have found your channel. Thank you

[@70corwin]

Some street preaching that I can get behind!! Very respectful. Great job guys!! I'm sure you planted a deep seed on that young man!

[@glasspreacher8436]

When confronted with too much truth and light in the face of their false ideology you can see them looking for a way out of the conversation.

[@justanotherbaptistjew5659]

11:58 Wow, that’s tragic. “Whichever Christ you want to believe in.” There is only one Christ, and apart from Him no man can be saved.

[@archiebarrier5633]

You can't love GOD without obedience to his commandments

[@XGMC921]

Your faith and love for God as a result is expressed through your actions of obedience to the most high God. The commandments alone won't save you.

[@Kyle-vb3fz]

@@XGMC921 “For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.” You are right, we cannot be saved by keeping the commandments because we would have to keep them all perfectly all the time. “Therefore by deeds of the law there shall be no flesh justified in his sight.”

[@dandelion1239]

No one can keep His commandments all the time. No one. If you could, then Jesus gave His life in vain. We all need Jesus to save us. Roman 6 explains that we do good things after we are saved because of what Jesus has done for us.

[@skvoellinger]

I hope he gets delivered from the demons who are messing with his mind. You can tell his life is being suppressed. Super unfortunate. Praying and thanking God that he’s waking up more and more men daily in Jesus name.

[@EugenioCarmo]

Please keep publishing more videos like this one

[@AlohaAngel1111]

It’s easier to fool someone than to convince them that they’ve been fooled.”😔 Please Pray for the Mormons they are good people, just VERY lost & VERY VERY deceived!😔🙏💔😢 God SAVED me from over 35 years of this indoctrination…ALL GLORY TO GOD that I am now free of that cult & now a Born Again, Bible Believing & Lover of the True Jesus of the Bible! Thank you Jesus!!!🙏♥️🥹 Thank you for the work you do Jeff, you truly are God sent! “Those who have eyes WILL see (truth) & those who have ears WILL hear” (truth).😉♥️🙏 John 10:27 “My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me.” ~Jesus Christ 😉 Please pray for the lost, pray for the Mormons! 🙏💔😔 All glory to God!💪♥️ Praise Jesus!💜✝️💪

[@normabreazile5500]

Good folks…I pray they find the truth!

[@unionjackjohn]

Awesome job my Brothers in Christ! May Jesus bless you.

[@100DRAGINMATIONS]

Yep Awesome job to the LDS Guard they had an interesting conversation and he was able to be himself which is good it tells how wise people are when LDS show who they are, next time when you video record them it's best to say things like you seem like an incredible person, or in church's try to include to know nice the LDS members and kind hearted as well that is the mark if a true friend even if either sides agree or disagree.

[@ezekiel9152]

I respect the Mormon for being so patient..

[@hookoffthejab1]

12:01 if a Mormon in 1980 said this inside brigham young university he would've been laughed off the campus. The Mormon church's doctrine is as structural as a stack of pancakes

[@introvertincognito4518]

It is my heart's deepest desire and prayer to God is for these lost soul is that they may be saved

[@XGMC921]

That boy refuted everything you guys said he has a very strong hardened heart and seared mind.. you guys were very patient God bless.

[@veritas2145]

Refuted?

[@veritas2145]

He didn’t refute anything Jeff said.

[@alexdionisio9360]

Responded but not refuted.

[@XGMC921]

@@veritas2145 the security guard politely disregarded everything Jeff said.

[@NRB3]

We have an OBJECTIVE truth not a subjective truth. Misspoke at the end and Jeff was like I'm outtalk here lol

[@dandelion1239]

Romans 6 explains so well about why we do good works after we are saved. Those verses were what made me understand salvation by Jesus alone. I’d always been taught I had to be perfect to go to heaven. I kept failing. Then I read those precious verses, understood, & was saved! The mormons are truly a cult. Hopefully that man will start to question what he’s been taught to believe & understand he needs the real Jesus!

[@jesuschristsaves9067]

Romans 6 doesn’t prove once saved always saved.

[@bornagain1107]

@@jesuschristsaves9067 agreed! Once saved always saved is a dangerous teaching! Here are some solid verses that prove we can give up our salvation. It can't be plucked (abruptly) taken from you, but you can certainly give it away by hardening your heart and rejecting the tenants of our faith. Zechariah 11:10 Jeremiah 17:4 1 Samuel 16:14 Matthew 21:43 Ask someone if u can't lose your salvation then why did Jesus come for the Jew, amd Gentile..?!?! Simple answer! Because his chosen people hardened their hearts towards the one true God.. thus God came in flesh for all to come to repentance and therefore receive a seal in the book of life by accepting the gift by the shedding of the blood of the Lamb of God. Jesus is the only way to heaven!

[@dleoburns]

Dandelion 123: I guess you have never read Revelation 20. Revelation 20:12 (AKJV) “And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. 13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. 14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. 15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.”

[@mikkellowe1270]

@@jesuschristsaves9067 God's grace cannot be retarded. If it is, then he cannot be called fully sovereign.

[@KingofNothing-me]

The pausing and mental gymnastics you see this guy do whenever trying to twist the scriptures is astounding.

[@brectangle]

The thumbnail has a typo: “SERCURITY GUARD”

[@FollowChristFollower]

They fixed it 👍

[@dkbradshaw]

Taking advantage of a good man with a 3 on 1 debate when he is obviously unprepared for such. Jeff is so skilled at putting words into people’s mouths. He loves telling Mormons what they believe when it is simply not true. He is simply lying when he says, “Mormonism explicitly teaches it is by your works (you are saved)”. The verse you quote in 2 Nephi (“after all we could do”) is clarified in Alma, “it has been all we could do to repent of all our sins.” Ours works do not replace the atonement one iota. There are actually more scriptures that seemingly tell us works are necessary for salvation as there are that seem to say the opposite. For example James 2: 14-14,17-- "What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? Can faith save him? Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone." You also must understand what Paul means by the “law”. Let's be honest, ALL faiths have something you must DO to QUALIFY for salvation, even if it is simply believing, otherwise all would be saved. The extent of this qualification is what separates them. For Mormons we qualify by faith, repentance and baptism. We do not and cannot earn it. We also must endure to the end. (Mark 13:13) Let me repeat, our “works” do not replace the atonement of Jesus Christ at all. Jesus did not preach easy-believism. Our complete discipleship is required. Note that the apostle Paul is the ONLY person who speaks in terms of salvation being of grace and not of works. Could it be that his writings are difficult to understand, particularly those writings concerning salvation? The apostle Peter thought so. Here is some of what Peter had to say about the writings of Paul as they relate to salvation: “And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you; As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.” (2 Pet 3:15-16) Notice that Peter says that Paul wrote, “according to the wisdom given unto him.” According to this scripture, followers of Jesus at the time of Peter (and now repeated in our own time) were misunderstanding and twisting Paul’s writings on salvation, so much so that they were forfeiting that very salvation. In other words, it could be surmised that they wanted to be saved in their sins, not from their sins (Matt 1:21). It is obvious that many today continue to be attracted to this same kind of “easy believism.” Over and over I have heard Jeff condemn people for their “experience” to know the truth. Now I hear him say HE had and experience. WOW. How do you trust it Jeff? The Muslims say the same thing (as you always say). Just cut through it all and condemn James 1: 5. The veil of the Temple symbolized Christ--the advocate between us and the Father. When it was torn, it symbolized Christ being torn in His supreme sacrifice. This symbolically showed us that He opened the way and gave all access to the Father. Christ and the veil were restored. Interesting you admit, “not all these videos go to KZbin.” I have to wonder what the deciding factors are. You have to dominate a helpless lamb?

[@robmullin1128]

Loved the dialogue,both sides were respectful of each other.

[@byronrhodes1659]

He says, “it’s not my job to judge” and yet he’s been judging the way Jeff and his friends have been interpreting scripture during their entire discussion. God soften this man’s heart!

[@rodney3297]

I don’t understand why people say things like “God soften this man’s heart!”. Should you not pray like this “May God’s will be done” regardless of what you think should happen for this man. I’m not seeking to attack you but I don’t see what authority humanity has to proclaim a specific path or timeline for God’s plan that will come to pass. Also I need to state I am a new believer, I just started reading the Bible in November of last year and called myself a Christian for the first time last week.

[@byronrhodes1659]

@@rodney3297 Hey welcome to the family of God! So awesome! My comment comes from a pleading with God to soften his heart, you are right, it is God’s will to save this man or not, to soften his heart or not, but God does want us to ask him. Here’s a verse that I think applies: “First of all, then, I urge that supplications, prayers, intercessions, and thanksgivings be made for all people, for kings and all who are in high positions, that we may lead a peaceful and quiet life, godly and dignified in every way.” ‭‭1 Timothy‬ ‭2:1-2‬ ‭ESV‬‬ Asking God to soften this man’s heart is completely appropriate. But you’re right, if he doesn’t, then it isn’t his will. God still wants us to proclaim the Gospel even though it may not be God’s will to save someone we proclaim it to, do we still proclaim the Gospel? YES, because God commanded us to do so. I don’t think I need to add the qualifier, “if it’s your will”

[@Wheatsilo]

@@rodney3297 I would add to this guys response that God has also provided us with what's known as his "prescriptive will." That is 1.dont murder. 2. Don't steal. 3. Don't commit adultery, etc. And this connects to what they discussed in the video about enforcing morality publicly, that we are to obey God's laws and teach others in the marketplace to do the same (see Matt 28 great commission.) Your question regards what's sometimes referred to as God's "hidden will" or "secretive will" which pretty much regards HOW everything in history and the universe will end up working out according to how God wants it. Example: you shall not murder (God's prescriptive will.)--- Jesus being murdered on a cross according to God's plan (God's secretive will.). So we can always pray for everyone to come to a saving knowledge of faith and to be led in obedience to Christ and all that he's commanded while still respecting God's secretive will for how all things are going to come to a conclusion.

[@ronniebattle1310]

@@byronrhodes1659 Encounter Ministries KZbin page. (Mark Hemans)+

[@jody2873]

Thank you for doing what you do!

[@tuchesuavae]

The mental gymnastics is astounding.

[@dennismaher9533]

AMEN JEFF..........we love Mormons THEY NEED HELP

[@codeman966]

Yes help us testify the glorious resurrection of Jesus Christ:)

[@BotchedInvestigation]

Mormons need Jesus....... (the Real One ☝️)

[@codeman966]

We do believe in the same Jesus as you do. We don't want to monopoliz him ;)

[@BotchedInvestigation]

@@codeman966 You don't want to monopolize the Real Jesus like the state of Utah and politics I see. Well you can't monopolize something you don't have

[@codeman966]

@@BotchedInvestigation How do you know if I don't have it? Can you see in my heart? What is a definition of a Christian?

[@Sheev-Palpatine_66]

This guy clearly wasn't prepared to debate his beliefs. In fact, he barely had an understanding of what his own church believes.

[@iiix808xiii]

They need the revelation knowledge from the Holy Spirit in order to really see Gods word come to life in their heart. This comes by only humbling yourself before God and thinking to yourself, “I may be wrong” and then continue to search for the truth who is Jesus of the Bible. Then they will be born again!

[@Nu2prepn]

God please continue to bless these men

[@zerubbablestranger6970]

I so look forward to Jeff and his team witnessing encounters, generally I’m strengthened and encouraged by them but, this time was very frustrating for I don’t hear all that well and between the wind and the music I missed much of the LDS replies. ☹️☹️☹️

[@MapleBoarder78]

Try turning on closed captions.

[@zerubbablestranger6970]

@@MapleBoarder78 For my situation, those are kind of "hit or miss" but thanks for the suggestion!

[@jeremykiahsobyk102]

See, with this title, I was expecting a boxing match.

[@cliffordblesson4047]

Hey brothers, praise God for your ministry! But I’m just wondering wouldn’t it be a better testimony to let people beforehand that you’ll be recording the dialogue?

[@dontperish6426]

I was raised by christians. I thought believed felt i was saved due to their righteousness. I had cancer thought i was ok. Then the blessed holy spirit showed me 1sin. My family's righteousness couldn't cover that one sin. Christ sacrifice covered all my sin when i repented and trusted in him alone. I also am a new creature completing works by his righteousness

[@rodneyjay6995]

Paul was speaking to already-baptized, already penitent, already faithful members of Christ's Church.

[@keldonherriman]

The music in the background is pretty great. Love the conversation as well. I hope many sons and daughters are brought to true faith in Jesus from your ministry to the Mormons, as well as your other ministries. Much love, Pastor Jeff.

[@yunginspirit3162]

*Faith without works is dead.* Faith and works go hand in hand together.* REVELATION 12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were JUDGED out of those things which were written in the books, ACCORDING TO THEIR WORKS. REVELATION 13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were JUDGED every man ACCORDING TO THEIR WORKS.

[@user-eu3zp3xk6b]

Question. Is Apologia doing missionary work by doing these debates on the streets with your everyday member of this church.

[@Bilbo383]

I love watching people argue over who's man in the sky is better

[@mmorant3]

You can see his mental gymnastics every time question he's asked. Unfortunately "It's Easier to Fool People Than to Convince Them That They Have Been Fooled"

[@slimpickens0000]

Yeah there's another term for a Mormon security guard, it's called secret service.

[@Spawn303]

It’s not secret it’s sacred… 😂🤣

[@KnuttyEntertainment]

You’d be amazed just how many FBI and CIA agents are Latter-Day Saints. BYU is their favorite recruiting ground.

[@jamesprior2496]

Gestapo

[@jamesprior2496]

@@Spawn303 Nothing 'sacred' about LDS.

[@jamesprior2496]

Most Mormons are ignorant of most of what their false teacher taught.

[@johnsambo9379]

An address by Mark E. Peterson was widely circulated by BYU's religious faculty in the 1950s and 1960s and they used the "less valiant in the pre-existence" explanation to justify racial segregation, a view which Lowell Bennion and Kendall White, among other members, heavily criticized. The apostle Joseph Fielding Smith also taught that black people were less faithful in the preexistence. A 1959 report by the U. S. Commission on Civil Rights found that the LDS Church in Utah generally taught that non-whites had inferior performance in the pre-earth life.

[@shevy7197]

If you follow TRUTH, you will find Jesus Christ ✝️❤️ x

[@selinaogorman8380]

I pray for the lds man to plant the seed of truth and let the spirit of God show him that the truth be revealed to him and be saved by Jesus when anyone is in a false gospel nobody can be saved in it only by Jesus all can be saved follow Jesus.

[@hunterc1168]

I firmly believe that a postmodernist is more difficult to talk to about Christ than anyone who follows another religion. Jeff really hit the jackpot with a postmodern Mormon lol. Praying that you remain faithful in this work gentlemen!

[@firstcrcoostburg]

Yes, I agree!

[@MDH_Sports]

Great conversation.

[@MDH_Sports]

@everyday tenor Why?

[@archiebarrier5633]

Faith without works is dead

[@MDH_Sports]

@@archiebarrier5633 kzbin.info/www/bejne/oovYYXeOmKmspqc

[@hookoffthejab1]

@@archiebarrier5633 the kind of faith that saves is one that produces works, that we may show evidences of our faith, and that we may be rewarded accordingly in heaven. (2 Cor. 5:10) "For by grace we are saved through faith, and not of yourselves, it is the gift of God, not of works lest any man should boast." (Eph. 2:8) James is not contradicting Paul, he's expanding the description of faith.

[@harthome875]

I sure appreciate your understanding of Scripture. What I missed was any indication that your urgency was because you cared about that man and want him to know Jesus now and in eternity. You were calm and didn't raise your voices and didn't argue, which I also appreciated. At the same time, I wonder how trapped and inadequate the man felt, when perhaps he could have been assured that you were only pressing the matter because you wanted him to understand how much God the Father, Son and Holy Spirit love him. God bless you in your ministry; may He continue to teach you how to winsomely draw people into God's family through Jesus.

[@SickestDisciple]

This must be the first vid you’ve watched from Apologia, Pastor Jeff emphatically expresses what you claimed he didn’t do in this video, knowing that the beginning of this video didn’t seem like the beginning of the conversation. I recommend you watch the other witnessing videos from Apologia and you’ll see that you’re wrong in your assessment of Pastor Jeff and the ministry at Apologia.

[@Pjdemarco]

So sad that guard can't get out of his own way. Jeff presented a great, logical escape from his position but he's so stuck he couldn't change his mind.

[@soulburst]

Jeff being a bully leave people alone to practice there faith as they see fit

[@Pjdemarco]

@@soulburst are you some kind of troll? Jeff is doing God's work.

[@soulburst]

@@Pjdemarco no he's doing his own work He's persecuting a person who believes in God. Then he plays scripture salad Just because it not his way what a narcissus.

[@Pjdemarco]

@@soulburst okay, may I ask what is your way?

[@soulburst]

@@Pjdemarco sure love God with all your heart love your neighbor as love yourself

[@MyDiscountsNow]

Every Mormon that I have talked to rely strictly on emotions and not biblical facts. Their satanic delusions are entrenched and deeply rooted.

[@tonya1802]

Spiritual blindness is a real thing and it's never more clear than when Truth is so clearly presenter to someone and they so clearly can't see it. It's incredible to witness and yea a little frustrating if I'm being honest, praying for God to give spiritual sight to this man and those like him.

[@biblereadingoutreach2284]

2 Corinthians 11:4 For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him. 👇 Galatians 1:6 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel: 👇 Galatians 1:7 Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Chris✝️.

[@theimpaler2317]

Where are they standing in a lot of these videos? There’s a play or something going on in the background. You can hear it very loud in some of their videos.

[@slash903]

I've noticed this "It's not for me to judge" mentality is growing in LDS. Makes it very hard to interact with them.

[@jeffreybuchananstevens]

I think many of them, or at least I feel it with this man for sure, would be willing to believe in the Word alone if they didn't feel like they had to give up the culture that the LDS church creates which is so much more communal and uniform throughout than many other professing christian organizations

[@tylerbuckner3750]

Sadly, it’s infecting the Christian church.

[@matthefeliuai]

To be fair you don’t need to interact with them lol let them be.

[@ronniebattle1310]

@@jeffreybuchananstevens Encounter Ministries KZbin page. (Mark Hemans)+

[@Alex_Correa]

Loud music... Wow! The word of God needs to be 80-90% of the conversation. If they reject the word, then forget about it!

[@cmo0429]

It's a mad mix of pride, cognitive dissonance, and spiritual darkness that keeps these people in deception.

[@johnsambo9379]

As early as 1844, leaders suggested that black people were less valiant in the pre-existence. The church's first presidents, Joseph Smith and Brigham Young, claimed that black skin was the result of the Curse of Cain or the Curse of Ham.

[@Baseballisbest67]

How did we get diff colors skins? In particular black? IF ya believe in Bible. It doesn’t say what color they were. Think Adam and Eve were 2 diff colors ? African black seems more distinct than Brown/black of India and some natives of Americas.

[@estherlewis7458]

@@Baseballisbest67 The 'black' people in India are Caucasian. Adam and Eve were mid brown.

[@chipseal9403]

The United States is currently under judgment. God is allowing us to pull folly down on our own heads, which we’re doing industriously, and the only way out is repentance. We are so far in that there is now no way to nuance this, there’s no way to extricate ourselves. It’s going to have to be Jesus. It will have to be straightforward; straight up the middle repentance.

[@IBenZik]

@12:29, Should have asked "are you confusing judgement with discernment"?

[@inhocsignovinces1081]

The Book of Mormon has been edited over 5,000 times; yet, Smith affirmed it was the most correct book in the world. No longer “white and delightsome” it’s now “pure and delightsome. In a separate matter, the LDS leadership did not admit blacks in their priesthood until 1978.

[@archiebarrier5633]

Revelation 14:13, : And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Write, Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth: Yea, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labours; and their 👉works 👈do follow them

[@eileenmacdougall8945]

"Who do you say that I am?" Surely matters. I love that humbleness to The Holy Spirit leads us to the freeing throne of God. Interesting discussion, God bless this man and you guys to, and all who'll listen.

[@justanotherbaptistjew5659]

Indeed. Someone saying He is “Elijah” or “John the Baptist” does not have eternal life.

[@ronniebattle1310]

@@justanotherbaptistjew5659 Encounter Ministries KZbin page. (Mark Hemans)+

[@zoemc3473]

It's so difficult to hear you over the music at certain points. Microphones would make it easier

[@academyofchampions1]

Gotta admit.. I’ve tried to talk to my “Christian” friend… couldn’t acknowledge what a **father** was

[@rachelsewell7026]

6:30 - you aren’t even quoting it correctly Jeff. You left out “we believe that through the Atonement of Christ”. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints very clearly teaches that it doesn’t matter what you do, you could never be saved without Jesus Christ.

[@thekaibosh]

What's up with that music? Is it a live choir? or do they pump out loud music through some speakers?

[@Scott_03]

Well then, break the fourth wall (9:50). I had to look around my room, "Was he talking to me?" Security guard looking into my soul. That was a little strange to speak truthfully.

[@eg4848]

...ya he didnt know he was being recorded and responded? Whats weird about that

[@dandelion1239]

That security guard can’t look into your soul. He’s a lost soul himself.

[@estimatingonediscoveringthree]

Cults - works to get saved. Gospel- when your saved works will naturally be a byproduct

[@dandelion1239]

AMEN! Romans 6

[@makefootballviolentagain5258]

Dude isn’t listening to a word. Looking around, checking his phone. Pray for his salvation.

[@IamAlan867]

Stating there are no absolutes is an absolute....he just shattered existence.

[@veekee75]

Jeff knows more about Mormonism than a so call LDS follower!

[@lukehalsey3182]

He knows what he needs to know to dis a member of the church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. If you come to bash someone for their beliefs then he does it well.

[@triplea6174]

Bash or critique?

[@lukehalsey3182]

@@triplea6174 it’s literally called a bash😂 so yes bash.

[@SickestDisciple]

@@lukehalsey3182 never seen him do what you’ve claimed. Why would you bear false witness?

[@lukehalsey3182]

@@SickestDisciple I’m not baring false whiteness I’ve seen his videos in black and white and that’s exactly what he does. Don’t act as if he doesn’t.

[@stell4r1]

These men are not trying to win arguments they are trying to save souls by leading people to the true gospel of Jesus Christ and allowing God to speak through his word.

[@100DRAGINMATIONS]

Your right, no one is trying to win an argument here, in fact they're just trying find someone who had a tight experience throughout what they believe and to know how they were able to do it. It's better to talk about what you believe little by little, and not smugged it all together. That's why everyone needs to believe it and not see it to believe it. Therefore they do the same thing over and over again, which is why LDS members do

[@Renewed85]

"it's immoral but it's not for me to decide" copout

[@AdamEyers]

But 2 Nephi 25:23 that Apologia criticises is very similar to 1 John 1:7. Both are offering cleansing from sin after our doing something.

[@lindatalii8001]

What's with the music? Thank you for going out to these poor brothers and sisters..They need the real God.

[@rachelsewell7026]

The veil being ripped symbolizes Christ’s Atonement being complete. It has nothing to do with whether a veil should hang in the temple or not. You are making that up.

[@CarpentersMinistry1]

I think he's just keeping them from speaking with others. He doesn't seem interested at all in the information or the objective truth being offered to him.

[@FollowChristFollower]

It may be so, but still, he is a precious soul to God. On Judgement Day he will be without excuse.

[@CarpentersMinistry1]

@@FollowChristFollower completely agree brother

[@ronniebattle1310]

@@FollowChristFollower Encounter Ministries KZbin page. (Mark Hemans)

[@45s262]

Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

[@VeaZTee]

Can I just ask what kind of benefit you folks get from engaging/debating/questioning church members and their beliefs?

[@daniel_john3167]

Love what you do guys but can I hope give a lil advice. Unfold your arms when preaching or even just talking. Reason being it gives a defensive un easy posture ❤️👍🏻🙏🏻

[@Longe]

The Mormon witnessing videos are the BEST! I wish you'd do an outreach to the Laie, the Mormon stronghold on O'ahu, Hawai'i!

[@tuchesuavae]

It's sad when the truth makes you uncomfortable. He is swaying and looking away. He's very uncomfortable.

[@100DRAGINMATIONS]

Not all truths are uncomfortable, never judge a book by its cover. And never jump into conclusions, everyone has a different prospective about the truths of what the world is, that's why we all do alot things to know what is what, and its easier to know more when your a fine , respective, kind hearted person who wants to see things through, I believe everyone has kind loving heart inside of them, some need to be opened. Some are already open, and some are just their but not doing more to it, The LDS Guard is just being who he is. Both in what he believes in reality and for what he believes in spirit. LDS has developed great relationships throughout the world by helping them having a second chance in life even when they claim that the world is wicked. That's what a true friend would do.

[@NationalistCoalition]

In the 1950s gays were arrested, but he says no one can police certain things like that. In the 1950s would he have said the same thing?

[@johnsavarese6365]

This guy is so vague and open minded, his brains just fell out!!!!

[@freedominchristjohn8328]

I love you guys. But I think only one of you should do the talking. Pastor Jeff you're amazing and I know you are training these 2 brothers ... but it brings confusion when the 3 of you talk .

[@rachelsewell7026]

11:00 - this was stated in the Bible. The Bible is written for us on earth. We have no other Gods. God and Jesus want us to progress and eventually have all They have. This doesn’t mean that if someone here on earth eventually progressed to become a God, they would be my God. So therefore the statement in the Bible still stands that I will have no other gods before me.

[@sarahrose9779]

We don't need a bishop to interrupt scripture for us, God has made it so we can read His word ourselves and understand it by The Holy Spirit. We have direct connection with Our Holy God, we can worship Him directly, we can learn about Him and from Him directly and we can pray to Him directly, that is why the veil was torn on the day of His crucifixion. It's so sad that they are taught they can't know anything and they can't do anything with out a Bishop's interjection, they can't know God or receive Him or understand Him unless a bishop or Mormon "profit" intercedes. They treat there followers like unintelligent, incapable, immature people, that wouldn't know the simplest of scriptures meaning unless the "higher ups" of their church tell them.

[@MapleBoarder78]

Mormon Article of Faith 1:3 - “We believe that through the atonement of Christ, all mankind may be saved, by obedience to the laws and ordinances of the gospel.” Ephesians 2:15 - “God has abolished the law expressed in ordinances.” 🤔

[@marioortiz7953]

Jesus name above all names

[@AdamEyers]

Whenever Paul is talking about works he’s referring to the works of the mosaic law not good works. If he was referring to good works why would he have said Romans 2:1-11, 1 Corinthians 9:24, Philippians 2:12.

[@rachelsewell7026]

12:15- of course that isn’t appropriate because he is Christ. People of other churches that are trying to worship Christ are at least trying to worship the same Christ even if their beliefs vary.

[@hanichay1163]

I once called the church offices with a question about a recent issue and the secretaries said no one was available. On my call to a third office they switched me to security and I was threatened with legal action. It was about staying in the Boy Scouts when they went gay. This is how a lifelong active serving tithing grandmother organist was treated.

[@ilikefooty5380]

That's because they don't believe the Bible and act accordingly .

[@garywright9715]

It is not too late to seek Jesus. Your experience deserved much better and I will not say another church would be 100% guaranteed to treat you differently. A southern Baptist, Methodist Lutheran individual church are capable of acting the same. No guarantees in life. But a true Christian church regardless of affiliation will not treat you in such ways. On another day perhaps the ppl you talk to in the LDS church would have treated you differently. No church saves anyone….only Jesus saves. That and that alone if you trust in the one who actually saves not one church will open up so much for you. No denomination saves only Jesus and him alone saves. Look there and he will not disappoint you.